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The Hearing’s Revelations — Why They Matter

UPDATE: Larry Johnson just told me that he will be a guest on Countdown with Keith Olbermann tonight to discuss the hearing. And, Howie In Seattle sent me a link to the video of the full session, at YouTube.

By SusanUnPC ... These are among the key revelations and facts that came out of today’s hearing.

  1. General Michael Hayden, Director of the Central Intelligence Agency — appointed twice to top positions by President George W. Bush — stated for today’s record that Valerie Plame Wilson’s status as a CIA employee was “under cover” and that her employment was “classified information.”
  2. Politics must not interfere with the vital business of intelligence agencies because the president must be able to make decisions about national security based on intelligence analysis that is unbiased.
  3. It is shocking that officials in the Bush administration carelessly batted about the name of a CIA employee without regard for her employment status or the confidentiality of her daily work.
  4. A long career was ruined in an instant after Bush administration officials calculatedly disclosed Valerie Plame Wilson’s employment with the CIA in an attempt to discredit her husband’s conclusions after his trip to Niger.
  5. The hearing provided further evidence that someone in Dick Cheney’s office called a low-level CIA employee and put unprecedented pressure on him to get information about any Iraqi dealings with Niger, and it was that pressure that led to the CIA dispatching Ambassador Joseph Wilson to Niger. (Larry Johnson will have further insights on this point.)


1) General Michael Hayden, Director of the Central Intelligence Agency — appointed twice to top positions by President George W. Bush — stated for today’s record that Valerie Plame Wilson’s status as a CIA employee was “under cover” and that her employment was “classified information.”

In his opening statement today, Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA), Chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, revealed that he had met personally with Gen. Hayden and discussed with Gen. Hayden what could and could not be revealed in the hearing. Rep. Waxman read this statement directly from Gen. Hayden:

During her employment at the CIA, Ms. Wilson was under cover.

Her employment status with the CIA was classified information prohibited from disclosure under Executive Order 12958.

At the time of the publication of Robert Novak’s column on July 14,2003, Ms. Wilson’s CIA employment status was covert.

This was classified information.

Ms. Wilson served in senior management positions at the CIA, in which she oversaw the work of other CIA employees, and she attained the level of GS-14, step 6 under the federal pay scale.

Ms. Wilson worked on some of the most sensitive and highly secretive matters handled by the CIA.

Ms. Wilson served at various times overseas for the CIA.

Without discussing the specifics of Ms. W’ilson’s classified work, it is accurate to say that she worked on the prevention of the development and use of weapons of mass destruction against the United States.

In her various positions at the CIA, Ms. Wilson faced significant risks to her personal safety and her life.

She took on serious risks on behalf of her country.

Ms. Wilson’s work in many situations had consequences for the security of her colleagues, and maintaining her cover was critical to protecting the safety of both colleagues and others.

2) Politics must not interfere with the vital business of intelligence agencies because the president must be able to make decisions about national security based on intelligence analysis that is unbiased.

Valerie Plame Wilson, in her opening statement today, explained the essential need for intelligence analysis untainted by politics:

[T]estimony in the criminal trial of Vice President Cheney’s former Chief of Staff, who has now been convicted of serious crimes, indicates that my exposure arose from purely political motives.  

Within the CIA, it is essential that all intelligence be evaluated on the basis of its merits and actual credibility.  National security depends upon it.  The tradecraft of intelligence is not a product of speculation. I feel passionately as an intelligence professional about the creeping, insidious politicizing of our intelligence process.  All intelligence professionals are dedicated to the ideal that they would rather be fired on the spot than distort the facts to fit a political view.  Any political view or any ideology.  

As our intelligence agencies go through reorganizations and experience the painful aspects of change, and our country faces profound challenges, injecting partisanship or ideology into the equation makes effective and accurate intelligence that much more difficult to develop.  

Politics and ideology must be stripped completely from our intelligence services or the consequences will be even more severe than they have been and our country placed in even greater danger.  

It is imperative for any President to be able to make decisions based on intelligence that is unbiased.  The Libby trial and the events leading to the Iraq War highlight the urgent need to restore the highest professional standards to intelligence collection and analysis and the protection of our officers and operations.  The Congress has a Constitutional duty to defend our national security and that includes safeguarding our intelligence.  That is why I am grateful for this opportunity to appear before this Committee today and to assist in its important work.

3) It is shocking that officials in the Bush administration carelessly batted about the name of a CIA employee without regard for her employment status or the confidentiality of her daily work.

Again, in her opening statement, Valerie Plame Wilson directly addressed the carelessness — I would add the adjective venal to carelessness — of members of the Bush administration — all of whom had “signed oaths to protect national security secrets”:

In the course of the trial of Vice President Cheney’s former Chief of Staff, Scooter Libby, I was shocked at the evidence that emerged.  My name and identity were carelessly and recklessly abused by senior government officials in both the White House and the State Department.  All of them understood that I worked for the CIA, and having signed oaths to protect national security secrets, they should have been diligent in protecting me and every CIA officer.  The CIA took great lengths to protect all of its employees, provided at significant taxpayer expense, painstakingly devised creative covers for its most sensitive staffers.  

The harm that is done when a CIA cover is blown is grave, but I can’t provide details beyond that in this public hearing.  But the concept is obvious.  Not only have breaches of national security endangered CIA officers, it has jeopardized, even destroyed entire networks of foreign agents, who in turn risk their own lives and those of their families to provide the United States with needed intelligence.  Lives are literally at stake.  Every single one of my former CIA collegues, my fellow covert officers, to analysts to technical operations officers, even the secretaries, understand the vulnerabilities of our officers and recognize that the travesty of what happened to me could happen to them.  

We in the CIA always know that we might be exposed and threatened by foreign enemies.  It was a terrible irony that administration officials were the ones who destroyed my cover.

I would like to add this: We have a single instant case in which the identity of a CIA officer was outted by the administration. But what of the countless other CIA and other intelligence agency officers?

What concerns have all of those thousands of officers had — since the day that Valerie Plame Wilson’s cover was destroyed — that they might meet the same fate if somehow they or one of their family members raised the ire of the Bush administration?

And what concerns have been raised for all of the thousands of contacts and “assets” of these intelligence officers, in all of the U.S. intelligence agencies? Are they nervous that their U.S. intelligence officer will have his or her work exposed for political reasons? Has this further chilled the vital dissemination of information heretofore exchanged under risky circumstances?

As Rep. Waxman said, based on his conference with Gen. Hayden:

Ms. Wilson’s work in many situations had consequences for the security of her colleagues, and maintaining her cover was critical to protecting the safety of both colleagues and others.

That security is gone. That safety is gone. And who among the thousands of intelligence officers and their “assets” know who next might get the Bush administration “treatment” which destroys their security and their safety?

4) A long career was ruined in an instant after Bush administration officials calculatedly disclosed Valerie Plame Wilson’s employment with the CIA in an attempt to discredit her husband’s conclusions after his trip to Niger.

Valerie Plame Wilson no longer works for the Central Intelligence Agency. That fact tells the story. But her opening statement again reveals the loss to Mrs. Wilson of her career, and the loss to the American people of the product of her career work:

I worked on behalf of the national security of our country, on behalf of the people of the United States until my name and true affiliation were exposed in the national media on July 14, 2003, after a leak by administration officials. …

In the run-up to the war with Iraq, I worked in the Counter Proliferation Division of the CIA, still as a covert officer, whose affiliation with the CIA was classified.  I raced to discover solid intelligence for senior policy makers on Iraq’s presumed weapons of mass destruction programs.  While I helped to manage and run secret worldwide operations against this WMD target from CIA headquarters in Washington, I also traveled to foreign countries on secret missions to find vital intelligence.  

I love my career because I love my country.  I was proud of the serious responsibilities entrusted to me as a CIA covert operations officer. … [A]ll of my efforts on behalf of the national security of the United States, all of my training, all of the value of my years of service were abruptly ended when my name and identity were exposed irresponsibly.

Chairman Waxman went further:

The disclosure of Ms. Wilson’s employment with the CLA had several serious effects.

First, it terminated her covert job opportunities with CIA.

Second, it placed her professional contacts at greater risk.

And third, it undermined the trust and confidence with which future CIA employees and sources hold the United States.

This disclosure of Ms. Wilson’s classified employment status with the CIA was so detrimental that the CIA filed a crimes report with the Department of Justice.

Before the Iraq War, I heard from former weapons inspector Scott Ritter and some far-left critics that Saddam Hussein had no WMDS (weapons of mass destruction). But I found it difficult to believe, back then, that Saddam Hussein had destroyed every remnant of his WMD programs — that he, for instance, didn’t at least have some aging chemical weapons lying around. It just didn’t make sense, given what I knew of the Iraqi leader. (What I did know, back then, was that that even if he did have some WMDs, he wasn’t an imminent threat to the United States, and that the U.S. should instead dedicate itself to eradicating the Al Qaeda terrorist network. And what I know now is that Saddam had a powerful reason for not revealing that he had no WMDs: He had to keep Iran, his fiercest regional enemy, in fear of his military might and future WMD attacks. The myth of his WMD program was Saddam’s deterrent to attack from Iran.)

What I’m trying to say is this: I had no way, myself, of independently verifying the status of Saddam’s WMD programs.

As an ordinary American citizen, I therefore relied — and gave my confidence to — the unknown-to-me intelligence officers who could concentrate full-time, with numerous secret assets, on determining the status of Saddam’s WMD holdings.

Back then, I had no idea that there was a woman named Valerie Plame Wilson who was working constantly on ferreting out the facts about Saddam’s WMD program — facts that the president could assess rationally, beyond any political considerations.

I had no idea there was a woman named Valerie Plame Wilson who “helped to manage and run secret worldwide operations against this WMD target from CIA headquarters in Washington [and who] also traveled to foreign countries on secret missions to find vital intelligence.”

But I assumed, as would any citizen, that there were intelligence officers hard at work on the issue.

I didn’t need to know their names. I wouldn’t want to know their names. But, if somehow I had learned their names and known what they did, I would have never — ever — revealed those identities to anyone. Why? Because it’s old-fashioned “loose lips sink ships” common sense.

While it was an honor to hear her testimony today, I wish I had never heard of Valerie Plame Wilson. And I wish she were still doing her job. It sickens me that Bush administration officials, for the most base political reasons, destroyed the career of this woman who was doing the work I, and all of you, were counting on.

Each of us U.S. citizens pays these officers for that work. We entrust these officers to give our political leaders accurate information.

We further entrust our political leaders — no matter their political party or particular ideological bents — to assess intelligence data and analysis in an unbiased manner and to protect those intelligence officers and their assets who are devoting, and risking, their lives to provide and analyze raw data.

Otherwise, our nation would end up going to war for false reasons, and our military forces would die unnecessarily.

Otherwise, our standing among the nations of the world would be irrevocably threatened, and our nation, for the near and perhaps distant future, weakened and thereby endangered.

And we would be the “lonely America” — with its weakened, politicized, watching-their-backs intelligence agencies and military forces — plunged into a “spreading and deepening quagmire” that Zbigniew Brzezinski spoke of at a recent hearing of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

It mattered that Valerie Plame Wilson’s identity was exposed for venal political purpose and her career destroyed.

It mattered for the sake of our national security.

  • http://profile.typekey.com/GroverNorforms/ Grover Norforms

    Well said!

    From the APJ blog (http://www.apj.us/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=257&Itemid=9):

    When Valerie Plame was outed, her brass-plate Boston-based firm and everyone who worked for it had their cover blown. So didtheir contacts — potentially hundreds of peoiple. I wonder how many of these people have met with a premature end — or are rotting away in interior ministry dungeons — all because a fat, bullying, corrupt infarction-in-waiting wanted cheap political revenge?

  • max

    Larry, I was wondering why a covert officer would be working out of the CIA building? That’s the one thing I don’t understand.

  • Sandy

    Maybe it’s just me, but I wish at least one person today during the hearings had used the T word….to clarify the seriousness of these Bush/Cheney administration crimes:

    T R E A S O N

  • Canuck Stuck in Muck

    T-R-E-A-S-O-N is the only word for it, Sandy. Impeachment’s too good for ‘em.

  • understandinglife

    I’m still waiting for someone to ask Ms. Wilson the direct question:

    “Ms Wilson did VP Cheney ever interact, in any way, with you while you were working for the CIA?”

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5260617

    In any event, I have no reason to doubt that what we now know constitutes treason.

  • http://noquarter.typepad.com SusanUnPC

    It’s now cross-posted over at the Orange Place (I don’t dare say Daily Kos, do I!):

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/3/16/171124/115

  • http://noquarter.typepad.com SusanUnPC

    An Orange Person just posted this:

    “The chart displayed several times during the hearing with boxes and arrows showing who leaked to whom is released on the committee webpages. Those who want it can go here.”

    http://oversight.house.gov/Documents/20070316173308-19288.pdf

  • http://www.reflectivepundit.com Brigitte Nacos

    I was most shocked this evening that neither the News Hour with Jim Lehrer nor other news programs I was able to catch mentioned what General Michael Hayden told the Waxman Committee–that Valeri Plame was an undercover CIA agent.
    To me, this was the most important information of today, since Toensing and others have gone around saying that Ms Plame was not.
    Although I am more than aware of the shortcomings of today’s American news media (and God knows it was different several decades ago), the fact that this is not reported has shocked me nevertheless.

  • PrchrLady

    Can’t wait to hear Larry tell it like it is… before i DO, I just found this over on Raw Story… Waxman isn’t letting the footprints fade away… he is on top of it.

    http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Waxman_sends_letter_to_White_House_0316.html

    Later, M

  • Chris Vosburg

    max writes: “Larry, I was wondering why a covert officer would be working out of the CIA building? That’s the one thing I don’t understand.”

    Well since that’s the only thing you don’t understand, I’ll field your question, max.

    The “CIA Building” is actually a clever front. Once inside, Valerie takes an underground bullet train to New York, emerging in one of the fitting rooms in Del Floria’s basement Tailor Shop. Her Double Naught Spy Car is always conveniently parked in front, and off she goes to confront Goldfinger and Dr No and their complex schemes to rule the world, in a pulse-pounding battle of wits and gadgetry. Men want her and women want to be her, ’cause she’s a superfly superspy who plays by her own rules!

  • Chris Vosburg

    “CIA Building,” he says. Sheesh.

  • Crackers

    Oh my. What a perfectly nice story, PrchrLady. Thanks.

  • MEP

    For Brigitte Nacos

    Welcome to 1984. It’s not a scandal/treason if you don’t report it. Just shove it down the old memory hole.

  • Mr.Murder

    Why did they keep asking her if she knew what other people said in conversations she was not entirely party to?

    If she answers the question definitively she would have to mind read, if she denies it the result appears to reinforce doubt.

    If the witch swims, drown her…

    Did so and so ever tell them you were covert?

    Doing so would be a breach of procedure.

    Why did nobody ask who brought up Plame’s identity in any of the conversations where her name came up?

    Because then everyone would find out that coached statements were done in hopes of getting a record statement they could run with, even a patent denial.

  • Chris Vosburg

    Mr Murder writes: “Why did they keep asking her if she knew what other people said in conversations she was not entirely party to?”

    That irritated me plenty too, Mr M.

    Even worse, they asked stuff like, “can you think of a reason that [rove, for example] would have done that?”

    These guys oughta know better than to waste their time asking questions for which the only answer is “beats me, why don’t you ask him?”

  • Waiting in Texas

    Strangely, I must admit and not even knowing her, I teared up when I saw Valerie walk in this morning with the sound of all the camera shutters going off in the background. It was a surreal moment and all I could think was that this was a long time coming. Your time has finally come Valerie.

    Valerie should be Time’s Person of the Year for 2007. Talk about someone of courage who has had to remain silent all this time. A real genuine (and beautiful) woman. The gratitude that this country owes her is enormous. I’m just sorry its not coming from this administration.

    People like Karl Rove et al ultimately will get their just due one day. Vengence is mine saith the Lord, but I WANT A FRONT ROW SEAT.

    curious as to why the O&GR Committee today decided not to do another go-round of question for Valerie.

    Good appearance on Olbermann tonight Larry.

  • Cee

    Larry!! Larry!! Larry!! I just saw you on Countdown giving a well deserved smackdown to Victoria.
    The twit isn’t on anything. The red hairdye caused brain rot.
    You knocked her for such a loop that her necklace was crooked when she cried to Shaun Hannity this evening.
    She’s beyond hope!

  • http://profile.typekey.com/mpumpky/ PrchrLady

    Larry, You were great!!! Thanks for keeping yourself outfront and in their face. I esp liked your comment on miss priss, good heavens why was she on the panel in the first place???

    Susan, another excellent commentary. I always look forward to your insight, which I consider exceptional. Your work here on No Quarter, as well as the rest of the blogoshpere, should bring you an award… seriously, everyone, I am really serious…

    Can’t wait to hear the Sunday talk show heads… What is everyone’s take on the fact that Fitz isn’t going to testify??? Can he also be subpoened??? Cheers everyone, I think I am going to open a bottle of wine, and enjoy the late shows… M

  • http://colorado-bob.blogspot.com/ COLORADO BOB

    Larry from cujo 359 :

    Victoria T …. “Barking Lunatic”

  • http://noquarter.typepad.com SusanUnPC

    Thanks, PrchrLady! Larry, you WERE great! And you made me laugh — “twit” indeed!

    Well, I can scarcely believe it, but I’m hearing fair coverage now on CNN from Anderson Cooper and Jeffrey Toobin, who was very taken by Valerie’s testimony today and thinks she made a compelling case that she had nothing to do with originating the idea for sending her husband to Niger.

    Maybe I’ll look for the transcript later, or tomorrow, and post it. It’s quite good.

  • Horton Heath

    Toensing = pilonidal cyst with a bad henna job.

  • http://canuckstuckinmuck.blogspot.com Canuck Stuck in Muck

    Susan! Fitz! Val! Larry!
    Mostly Larry. Just saw you on olbermann. great job. the adminstration is going to implode imminently. And I’m still trying to extricate myself from my comments of the other evening. You’re a prince. And I’m just a failed anthropologist who thinks that people need to understand where our prejudices come from. Forgive me. And, keep fighting the good fight.

  • Chris Vosburg

    Waiting in Texas writes: “Strangely, I must admit and not even knowing her, I teared up when I saw Valerie walk in this morning with the sound of all the camera shutters going off in the background. It was a surreal moment and all I could think was that this was a long time coming. Your time has finally come Valerie. ”

    Not so strange perhaps; I did too.

    The sense of vindication, I guess, after having been slandered so thoughtlessly for so long, by people who aren’t fit to rotate the tires on Valerie’s Double Nought Spy Car.

  • anwaya

    Where’s Goldwater now? He is my beeyotch.

    Yo! Goldie! I owns yo ayass!

  • http://profile.typekey.com/mpumpky/ PrchrLady

    High All!!! Day to celebrate the truth, and great thanks to Val and our friends ad patriots who have endured this abuse so long… Just found this great link on the testimony of Val. Susan, can we get a clip of Larry up here soon???

    http://rawstory.com/news/2007/I_worked_as_covert_officer_for_0316.html

  • Crackers

    If you missed Larry’s appearance, it’s being streamed on the MSNBC web site (hat tip to MSNBC, as I was unable to see it on the tube).

  • Chris Vosburg

    I’ve just been apprised that the “Double Naught Spy Car” reference may be a little obscure.

    It’s from the “Beverly Hillbillies” television show of the sixties, which featured a family of Ozark mountain folk suddenly transformed by discovery of oil on their property to wealth and as, implied, a house in Beverly Hills. Uh, hijinks ensued.

    Many episodes featured Jethro, the young nephew of family patriarch Jed, pursuing a new career with the aid of this wealth, and in one, after seeing a James Bond movie, he declared himself a “Double Naught Spy”– that’s “00 spy” to us city folk– and pimped out the ramshackle family truck with a number of silly gadgets of his own design, memorably referring to it as his “Double Naught Spy Car.”

    Memorable enough to inspire a local (LA) band to name themselves, so help me, “Double Naught Spy Car”.

    Before that, they called themselves “Pink Floyd the Barber,” and I won’t go into that.

  • Waiting in Texas

    Chris Vosburg writes: “Not so strange perhaps; I did too. The sense of vindication, I guess, after having been slandered so thoughtlessly for so long…”

    thanks, I needed to hear that. Its kinda fun having the dems back in control. Waxman’s a tough customer. Can’t wait to see Leahy tear into Gonzales next week.

  • Larry Johnson

    What a great community we’ve created. I appreciate deeply the comments and observations of all. Can’t always respond to everyone but I read everyone and am thankful for your participation here.

    PS, Val treated Jim Marcinkowski and me to lunch at the Spy Museum. Way too funny and ironic. She opened a can of whoop ass on the trolls.

  • GSD

    Who are you gonna believe about a CIA operatives covert status?

    Some silly General who is Director of National Intelligence or a lawyer and paid political operative who keeps in touch with the Ghost of Barry Goldwater?

    -GSD

  • Waiting in Texas

    Thanks Larry – some of us may not be spies, but we’ve got your and Val’s back.

    After listening to her today, you can tell she has some real spunk. As a female, I must find out where she shops :)

    PS. Loved the “twit” comment on VicTong.

  • GSD

    Also, it doesn’t matter what those know-nothings at the CIA headquarters say about who is and who isn’t a spy, I helped draft a law thirty years ago and have once talked to someone in the CIA, so I get to determine who is and who isn’t a spy.

    Plus any CIA Director in his right mind should compile a list of all of his covert operatives and disseminate them amongs all the different levels of government so that everyone knows who is a spy. That way everyone can check the list and they’ll know who’s covert so they can better keep the names secret.

    -Vicky “T-Bag” Toensing

    Betcha Joe Digenova has paid lots of money for lapdances in his day.

  • Waiting in Texas

    GSD writes: “Betcha Joe Digenova has paid lots of money for lapdances in his day…”

    ROTFLMAO !!!!!

  • Chris Vosburg

    Larry Johnson wirtes: “PS, Val treated Jim Marcinkowski and me to lunch at the Spy Museum.”

    That’s “Double Naught Spy Museum,” hee hee.

    Larry, thanks so much for your tireless work in this regard; you do more good than you know.

  • JerseyJeffersonian

    Larry,

    Please permit me to thank you for being the driving force behind this invaluable entrepot for crucial information. I seldom comment, mostly contenting myself with following the almost invariably illuminating thread of commentary from your posters. My thanks to my fellow citizens who constitute the main body of posters. But the kudos go to you, Larry and company, for continually communicating your articulate and clear-eyed passion for our country’s well being. It draws us back time and again.

  • anwaya

    Larry (and Valerie and Joe) -

    Anyone who’s hung out round here with an IQ measured in three digits can appreciate not only the personal cost of the OVP’s actions, but the enormous national security impact as well.

    A highly qualified and entirely expert doctor assures me that the trolls, sadly, exhibit vulpine spongiform encepalopathy, or VSE. This is a tragic wasting disease of the brain brought about by watching Fox news.

  • Minnesotachuck

    “This disclosure of Ms. Wilson’s classified employment status with the CIA was so detrimental that the CIA filed a crimes report with the Department of Justice.”

    Has any info come out as to what the Justice Department did with or as a result of this report? If not and or if nothing, hopefully the Waxman committee will pursue this.

  • Patrick Henry

    Susan & Larry..Val..Joe. Mr. Waxman..and everyone one else who Cares about
    This Matter..The TRUTH
    and Justice..KUDOS..!

    Tango Yankee..!

    Lunch is on me LC..

  • Vic

    Larry, I was wondering why a covert officer would be working out of the CIA building? That’s the one thing I don’t understand.

    Posted by: max | Friday, 16 March 2007 at 17:15

    I am not attempting to answer for Larry but I must chime in.

    What building would you think she would work from? She worked for the CIA and perhaps that would be a good idea to show up there for her job instead of the IRS or the EPA. Covert operatives have been doing the same for decades.I am sure Larry could explain further and there is no doubt, as Larry has been saying eve since she was outed, that Plame was covert no matter the spin from these idiots like Toensing.

    Toensing is so pathetic, if she is all they have to counter the truth it is a sign of desperation that shines pretty bright. Waxman mopped the floor with her sorry ass, One question that should’ve been asked Toensing is why did Plame end her career if this whole thing was no big deal and no harm was done because she wasn’t covert? Why isn’t she still working at the CIA? Toensing really went over the line trying to twist the law she is so proud of writing, she must have lied under oath. I hope Waxman calls her back for a follow up! She is just one of the many scoundrels of the neocon madmen hijackers of America.

  • http://cujo359.blogspot.com Cujo359

    It would be interesting, to say that least, to look back on this time in about twenty years and try to determine how much the Bush Administration have done to harm the nation’s security. They’ve trashed the military, harmed our reputation with many, if not most countries on this planet, and they’ve damaged our intelligence capabilities. Meanwhile, they’ve helped Islamic terrorism become a bigger problem than it was when they took office. It’s hard to believe there will be a silver lining.

  • bobbyjay

    after yesterdays hearings and the scandals that have prevailed concerning people and agencies that defend this country i`m surprised that these agencies are not irate.i`m surprised that there are not rogue agents out there trying to get even.it just shows the high calibur of people we have really working for us,too bad the executive branch didnot have people as good as the agencies that serve us.if i were employed by the EXECUTIVE BRANCH i would walk very lightly these days.

  • Mr.Murder

    Don’t mention “Revelations,” we don’t want Dubya to start getting Messianic in Mess’O-potamia any more than he already has…

  • bobbyjay

    in a lot of ways this reminds me of being “in country” and “up country” a little known term used to signify whether we were in nam or in cambodia or loas.i`m just perplexed that an executive that bills himself as a warrior and a friend of people who serve would be so anti-loyal to those doing the dirty work that needs to be done.at this point i`m glad i`m retired and not “in country”

  • Michel

    Having lived in Paris for the past 12 years, and even though I keep informed of happenings stateside (I read ‘No Quarter’ daily, right!), it’s difficult for me to get an idea as to what character some of these congresspeople have. For instance, I see ranking member Davis has attacked the dems plan about Iraq in no uncertain terms, yet he was most courteous and respectful of Valerie I thought (watching a day late on the Oversight Comm. site). Obviously, it’s difficult to be nasty to Valerie to her face and on national TV, yet…
    Same goes with Westmoreland.
    What could you tell me about the republicans on the committee? Decent fellows, or scumbags hiding their true nature under the circumstances?
    Thanks!

  • http://www.anova.org/software/ Zaine Ridling

    Great appearance and input on Olbermann last night! I have to agree that this has been TREASON from the start. Imagine, just imagine if Clinton had done the same. Hell, repubs would have openly called for his assasination 24/7. It’s incredible the administration is ALLOWED to attack, still, anyone they choose, even their own US attorneys. Seeing all the jaw-dropping crap Bush has done over the past 6+ years, I now understand how Germany allowed Hitler to come to and gain power.

    If I were the next president, Larry Johnson and Richard Clarke are the first two guys I’d try to hire. (As long as you could blog live from the position!)

  • Waiting in Texas

    In the hearings yesterday, they showed the black box listed as “unknown” as to who initially told Cheney and Rove about Valerie. Who’s name do we think belongs there? Tenet? Foggo? someone else?

  • Waiting in Texas

    I saw Joe Wilson being interviewed by Lester Holt this morning. Joe said that what he thought was the big headline from yesterday was that no investigation was never opened within the WH regarding the leak. I whole heartedly agree with Joe.

    Basically, in my opinion, that puts Bush right smack dab in the center of this. Bush told all of us in a press conference that he was going to look into it and if anyone did leak that information, they would be fired.

    So, that translates into Bush knowingly lied to us when he didn’t intend on investigating the Plame matter anyway – he already knew who had leaked it.

    Perhaps Bush’s name should be in that black box, no?

  • ionaie

    Great job folks, Larry and others.

    I pulled this off another board and thought you gals & guys might get a laugh out of the last few “requirements”.

    “Case officers are expected, first and foremost, to live their cover.”

    “Case officers are equally expected to expect to receive no quarter from anyone, anyone with regard to protecting their cover. (and, ironically, they rarely receive it from the State Dept…..)”

    “Case Officers are expected to lead what would appear to be to any, any, ANY interested party an exceedingly dull and unremarkable life, and to do to such an exacting level of consistency as to send any conceivable interested party shuffling away in somnolent aversion to any continued attention.”

    “Marrying a retired career Ambassador of career liberal Democrat persuasion who in retirement takes on an active, public partisan role in policy matters, and conducts a very high-profile social life inside the DC beltway to further a political agenda including his own, and then actually involving oneself in that public life to the point of attending partisan Democrat strategy meetings (which she admitted today) is simply inconsistent with all that is expected of a C/O with respect to living cover. Many will argue she has a right to live her life and cannot control her husband. To that I say, many C/O careers end because of difficulties some experience in living cover, and in the indiscretions of one’s spouse.”

    “The very winsome Mrs. Wilson may cut a very sympathetic figure in the MSM spin on this story but, gentlemen, I can guarantee you this: she will get no sympathy from her peers in the silent service; she does not deserve any professional respect. She allowed her personal life to wind up on the front page of the Washington Post. That is simply, totally, and alterably unforgivable.”
    _________________

  • http://profile.typekey.com/pierretheman/ Marty

    Max….Larry has explained in prior posts that he and many of his colleagues worked out of the “CIA bldg” at Langley, and were “under-covcer” or “covert”. There are so many employees that noone could know by watching the site( if that were even possible without being caught), who was a NOC a COV. or a secretary.
    With the odious Toensing, I have thought of the strtagem she was using. She wrote the act which was so poorly written that it cannot be used. The definitioin of “covert” she was pushing comes exclusively from the act wording, and thus is only useful if a prosecution was occurring. That does not mean that for all other purposes Val was undercover, and was thus a secret asset..regardless of the poorly written law by Toensing.No congressman asked her that, but they got close…they asked about the official executive order that prohibits under penalty the outing of a topsecret resource,even if it was through negligence. She was forced to agree that that was so.

  • Lindy

    I can’t say enough good about Rep. Paul Hodes’ questioning of Mr. Knoddell, the mystery man who doesn’t show up on google, and Mr. Leonard. It was very revealing. The link to the YouTube is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCrJkhWU0yk

  • Lindy

    Marty, there’s a post by litigatormom on the statute over at Kos. Link is http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/3/16/151133/397

  • mudkitty

    Why would they investigate themselves?

  • http://cujo359.blogspot.com Cujo359

    [quote]
    I can guarantee you this: she will get no sympathy from her peers in the silent service;
    [/quote]
    Did Valerie Wilson serve on a submarine? ;)

  • Chris Vosburg

    Marty writes: “The definition of ‘covert’ she was pushing comes exclusively from the act wording, and thus is only useful if a prosecution was occurring.”

    Actually, Toensing goes beyond the wording of the statute to make the claim that Valerie must be stationed– as opposed to repeatedly traveling– overseas to be covered by it.

    This is not supported by the wording of the statute itself, nor has Toensing supplied any support of her claim that this is the intent.

    There’s a reason for this: She can’t.

    Of note as well in yesterday’s Cavalcade of Lies was a repeat of one of the most tortured logical leaps she’s ever managed to come up with– the contention that it was David Corn who outed Valerie Plame, not Novak.

    Yes, you read that correctly. She insists that Novak did not out Valerie because he did not identify her as a covert agant in his July 14 2003 column. Two days later, David Corn wrote an article rhetorically asking whether Novak had just outed a NOC (he pretty much concluded that Novak had).

    So there it is: because Corn speculated that she was covert two days after Novak blabbed her name and true employer in his column, it’s Corn who is the jerk, not poor Novak.

    See what we’re dealing with here? Scary, isn’t it?

  • Mr. Murder

    Dubya told Cheney and Rove. They tell him what to say and do, they wanted to know who it was. Plausibly so, that way Shrubya would not have something on them that did not implicate himself.

  • Mr. Murder

    The only other person could be Goss(House INTEL Minority ranking knew her as Plame). If he was at the meeting, or the OVP staffers dealing with INTEL/counterterror…

    I think goss simply passed word and Bush verified at Cheney’s heeding. Cheney pushed known lies to force that meeting, Goss passed word from there and was on Novak’s show just about to the day.

    That’s why the prosecutor firing had to be done so prompty. It could uncover the other case.

  • Mr. Murder

    Goss back to Dubya, Dubya to Cheney and Rove or another Principal(Powel and Rice are nowhere? Hmmm…)