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		<title>By: Mr. Murder</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/539/the-hearings-revelations-why-they-matter/#comment-12970</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Murder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 06:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goss back to Dubya, Dubya to Cheney and Rove or another Principal(Powel and Rice are nowhere? Hmmm...)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goss back to Dubya, Dubya to Cheney and Rove or another Principal(Powel and Rice are nowhere? Hmmm&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Murder</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/539/the-hearings-revelations-why-they-matter/#comment-12969</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Murder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 06:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only other person could be Goss(House INTEL Minority ranking knew her as Plame). If he was at the meeting, or the OVP staffers dealing with INTEL/counterterror...


I think goss simply passed word and Bush verified at Cheney&#039;s heeding. Cheney pushed known lies to force that meeting, Goss passed word from there and was on Novak&#039;s show just about to the day.

That&#039;s why the prosecutor firing had to be done so prompty. It could uncover the other case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only other person could be Goss(House INTEL Minority ranking knew her as Plame). If he was at the meeting, or the OVP staffers dealing with INTEL/counterterror&#8230;</p>
<p>I think goss simply passed word and Bush verified at Cheney&#8217;s heeding. Cheney pushed known lies to force that meeting, Goss passed word from there and was on Novak&#8217;s show just about to the day.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why the prosecutor firing had to be done so prompty. It could uncover the other case.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Murder</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/539/the-hearings-revelations-why-they-matter/#comment-12968</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Murder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 06:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dubya told Cheney and Rove. They tell him what to say and do, they wanted to know who it was. Plausibly so, that way Shrubya would not have something on them that did not implicate himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dubya told Cheney and Rove. They tell him what to say and do, they wanted to know who it was. Plausibly so, that way Shrubya would not have something on them that did not implicate himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Vosburg</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/539/the-hearings-revelations-why-they-matter/#comment-12967</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Vosburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 15:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marty writes: &quot;The definition of &#039;covert&#039; she was pushing comes exclusively from the act wording, and thus is only useful if a prosecution was occurring.&quot;

Actually, Toensing goes beyond the wording of the statute to make the claim that Valerie must be stationed-- as opposed to repeatedly traveling-- overseas to be covered by it.

This is not supported by the wording of the statute itself, nor has Toensing supplied any support of her claim that this is the intent.

There&#039;s a reason for this: She can&#039;t.

Of note as well in yesterday&#039;s Cavalcade of Lies was a repeat of one of the most tortured logical leaps she&#039;s ever managed to come up with-- the contention that it was David Corn who outed Valerie Plame, not Novak.

Yes, you read that correctly. She insists that Novak did not out Valerie because he did not identify her as a covert agant in his July 14 2003 column. Two days later, David Corn wrote an article rhetorically asking whether Novak had just outed a NOC (he pretty much concluded that Novak had).

So there it is: because Corn speculated that she was covert two days after Novak blabbed her name and true employer in his column, it&#039;s Corn who is the jerk, not poor Novak.

See what we&#039;re dealing with here? Scary, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marty writes: &#8220;The definition of &#8216;covert&#8217; she was pushing comes exclusively from the act wording, and thus is only useful if a prosecution was occurring.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, Toensing goes beyond the wording of the statute to make the claim that Valerie must be stationed&#8211; as opposed to repeatedly traveling&#8211; overseas to be covered by it.</p>
<p>This is not supported by the wording of the statute itself, nor has Toensing supplied any support of her claim that this is the intent.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a reason for this: She can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Of note as well in yesterday&#8217;s Cavalcade of Lies was a repeat of one of the most tortured logical leaps she&#8217;s ever managed to come up with&#8211; the contention that it was David Corn who outed Valerie Plame, not Novak.</p>
<p>Yes, you read that correctly. She insists that Novak did not out Valerie because he did not identify her as a covert agant in his July 14 2003 column. Two days later, David Corn wrote an article rhetorically asking whether Novak had just outed a NOC (he pretty much concluded that Novak had).</p>
<p>So there it is: because Corn speculated that she was covert two days after Novak blabbed her name and true employer in his column, it&#8217;s Corn who is the jerk, not poor Novak.</p>
<p>See what we&#8217;re dealing with here? Scary, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Cujo359</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cujo359</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 14:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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I can guarantee you this: she will get no sympathy from her peers in the silent service; 
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Did Valerie Wilson serve on a submarine? ;)</description>
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I can guarantee you this: she will get no sympathy from her peers in the silent service;<br />
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Did Valerie Wilson serve on a submarine? <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mudkitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>mudkitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 14:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would they investigate themselves?</description>
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		<title>By: Lindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 13:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marty, there&#039;s a post by litigatormom on the statute over at Kos. Link is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/3/16/151133/397&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/3/16/151133/397&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marty, there&#8217;s a post by litigatormom on the statute over at Kos. Link is <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/3/16/151133/397" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/3/16/151133/397</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t say enough good about Rep. Paul Hodes&#039; questioning of Mr. Knoddell, the mystery man who doesn&#039;t show up on google, and Mr. Leonard. It was very revealing. The link to the YouTube is here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCrJkhWU0yk&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCrJkhWU0yk&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t say enough good about Rep. Paul Hodes&#8217; questioning of Mr. Knoddell, the mystery man who doesn&#8217;t show up on google, and Mr. Leonard. It was very revealing. The link to the YouTube is here: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCrJkhWU0yk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCrJkhWU0yk</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max....Larry has explained in prior posts that he and many of his colleagues worked out of the &quot;CIA bldg&quot; at Langley, and were &quot;under-covcer&quot; or &quot;covert&quot;. There are so many employees that noone could know by watching the site( if that were even possible without being caught), who was a NOC a COV. or a secretary.
 With the odious Toensing, I have thought of the strtagem she was using. She wrote the act which was so poorly written that it cannot be used. The definitioin of &quot;covert&quot; she was pushing comes exclusively from the act wording, and thus is only useful if a prosecution was occurring. That does not mean that for all other purposes Val was undercover, and was thus a secret asset..regardless of the poorly written law by Toensing.No congressman asked her that, but they got close...they asked about the official executive order that prohibits under penalty the outing of a topsecret resource,even if it was through negligence. She was forced to agree that that was so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max&#8230;.Larry has explained in prior posts that he and many of his colleagues worked out of the &#8220;CIA bldg&#8221; at Langley, and were &#8220;under-covcer&#8221; or &#8220;covert&#8221;. There are so many employees that noone could know by watching the site( if that were even possible without being caught), who was a NOC a COV. or a secretary.<br />
 With the odious Toensing, I have thought of the strtagem she was using. She wrote the act which was so poorly written that it cannot be used. The definitioin of &#8220;covert&#8221; she was pushing comes exclusively from the act wording, and thus is only useful if a prosecution was occurring. That does not mean that for all other purposes Val was undercover, and was thus a secret asset..regardless of the poorly written law by Toensing.No congressman asked her that, but they got close&#8230;they asked about the official executive order that prohibits under penalty the outing of a topsecret resource,even if it was through negligence. She was forced to agree that that was so.</p>
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		<title>By: ionaie</title>
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		<dc:creator>ionaie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 11:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great job folks, Larry and others. 

I pulled this off another board and thought you gals &amp; guys might get a laugh out of the last few &quot;requirements&quot;.

&quot;Case officers are expected, first and foremost, to live their cover.&quot;

&quot;Case officers are equally expected to expect to receive no quarter from anyone, anyone with regard to protecting their cover. (and, ironically, they rarely receive it from the State Dept.....)&quot;

&quot;Case Officers are expected to lead what would appear to be to any, any, ANY interested party an exceedingly dull and unremarkable life, and to do to such an exacting level of consistency as to send any conceivable interested party shuffling away in somnolent aversion to any continued attention.&quot;

&quot;Marrying a retired career Ambassador of career liberal Democrat persuasion who in retirement takes on an active, public partisan role in policy matters, and conducts a very high-profile social life inside the DC beltway to further a political agenda including his own, and then actually involving oneself in that public life to the point of attending partisan Democrat strategy meetings (which she admitted today) is simply inconsistent with all that is expected of a C/O with respect to living cover. Many will argue she has a right to live her life and cannot control her husband. To that I say, many C/O careers end because of difficulties some experience in living cover, and in the indiscretions of one&#039;s spouse.&quot;

&quot;The very winsome Mrs. Wilson may cut a very sympathetic figure in the MSM spin on this story but, gentlemen, I can guarantee you this: she will get no sympathy from her peers in the silent service; she does not deserve any professional respect. She allowed her personal life to wind up on the front page of the Washington Post. That is simply, totally, and alterably unforgivable.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great job folks, Larry and others. </p>
<p>I pulled this off another board and thought you gals &amp; guys might get a laugh out of the last few &#8220;requirements&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Case officers are expected, first and foremost, to live their cover.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Case officers are equally expected to expect to receive no quarter from anyone, anyone with regard to protecting their cover. (and, ironically, they rarely receive it from the State Dept&#8230;..)&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Case Officers are expected to lead what would appear to be to any, any, ANY interested party an exceedingly dull and unremarkable life, and to do to such an exacting level of consistency as to send any conceivable interested party shuffling away in somnolent aversion to any continued attention.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Marrying a retired career Ambassador of career liberal Democrat persuasion who in retirement takes on an active, public partisan role in policy matters, and conducts a very high-profile social life inside the DC beltway to further a political agenda including his own, and then actually involving oneself in that public life to the point of attending partisan Democrat strategy meetings (which she admitted today) is simply inconsistent with all that is expected of a C/O with respect to living cover. Many will argue she has a right to live her life and cannot control her husband. To that I say, many C/O careers end because of difficulties some experience in living cover, and in the indiscretions of one&#8217;s spouse.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The very winsome Mrs. Wilson may cut a very sympathetic figure in the MSM spin on this story but, gentlemen, I can guarantee you this: she will get no sympathy from her peers in the silent service; she does not deserve any professional respect. She allowed her personal life to wind up on the front page of the Washington Post. That is simply, totally, and alterably unforgivable.&#8221;<br />
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		<title>By: Waiting in Texas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Waiting in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 11:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw Joe Wilson being interviewed by Lester Holt this morning. Joe said that what he thought was the big headline from yesterday was that no investigation was never opened within the WH regarding the leak. I whole heartedly agree with Joe. 

Basically, in my opinion, that puts Bush right smack dab in the center of this. Bush told all of us in a press conference that he was going to look into it and if anyone did leak that information, they would be fired. 

So, that translates into Bush knowingly lied to us when he didn&#039;t intend on investigating the Plame matter anyway - he already knew who had leaked it.

Perhaps Bush&#039;s name should be in that black box, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw Joe Wilson being interviewed by Lester Holt this morning. Joe said that what he thought was the big headline from yesterday was that no investigation was never opened within the WH regarding the leak. I whole heartedly agree with Joe. </p>
<p>Basically, in my opinion, that puts Bush right smack dab in the center of this. Bush told all of us in a press conference that he was going to look into it and if anyone did leak that information, they would be fired. </p>
<p>So, that translates into Bush knowingly lied to us when he didn&#8217;t intend on investigating the Plame matter anyway &#8211; he already knew who had leaked it.</p>
<p>Perhaps Bush&#8217;s name should be in that black box, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Waiting in Texas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Waiting in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 11:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the hearings yesterday, they showed the black box listed as &quot;unknown&quot; as to who initially told Cheney and Rove about Valerie. Who&#039;s name do we think belongs there? Tenet? Foggo? someone else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the hearings yesterday, they showed the black box listed as &#8220;unknown&#8221; as to who initially told Cheney and Rove about Valerie. Who&#8217;s name do we think belongs there? Tenet? Foggo? someone else?</p>
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		<title>By: Zaine Ridling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zaine Ridling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great appearance and input on Olbermann last night! I have to agree that this has been TREASON from the start. Imagine, just imagine if Clinton had done the same. Hell, repubs would have openly called for his assasination 24/7. It&#039;s incredible the administration is ALLOWED to attack, still, anyone they choose, even their own US attorneys. Seeing all the jaw-dropping crap Bush has done over the past 6+ years, I now understand how Germany allowed Hitler to come to and gain power.

If I were the next president, Larry Johnson and Richard Clarke are the first two guys I&#039;d try to hire. (As long as you could blog live from the position!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great appearance and input on Olbermann last night! I have to agree that this has been TREASON from the start. Imagine, just imagine if Clinton had done the same. Hell, repubs would have openly called for his assasination 24/7. It&#8217;s incredible the administration is ALLOWED to attack, still, anyone they choose, even their own US attorneys. Seeing all the jaw-dropping crap Bush has done over the past 6+ years, I now understand how Germany allowed Hitler to come to and gain power.</p>
<p>If I were the next president, Larry Johnson and Richard Clarke are the first two guys I&#8217;d try to hire. (As long as you could blog live from the position!)</p>
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		<title>By: Michel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having lived in Paris for the past 12 years, and even though I keep informed of happenings stateside (I read &#039;No Quarter&#039; daily, right!), it&#039;s difficult for me to get an idea as to what character some of these congresspeople have. For instance, I see ranking member Davis has attacked the dems plan about Iraq in no uncertain terms, yet he was most courteous and respectful of Valerie I thought (watching a day late on the Oversight Comm. site).  Obviously, it&#039;s difficult to be nasty to Valerie to her face and on national TV, yet...
Same goes with Westmoreland. 
What could you tell me about the republicans on the committee? Decent fellows, or scumbags hiding their true nature under the circumstances?
Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having lived in Paris for the past 12 years, and even though I keep informed of happenings stateside (I read &#8216;No Quarter&#8217; daily, right!), it&#8217;s difficult for me to get an idea as to what character some of these congresspeople have. For instance, I see ranking member Davis has attacked the dems plan about Iraq in no uncertain terms, yet he was most courteous and respectful of Valerie I thought (watching a day late on the Oversight Comm. site).  Obviously, it&#8217;s difficult to be nasty to Valerie to her face and on national TV, yet&#8230;<br />
Same goes with Westmoreland.<br />
What could you tell me about the republicans on the committee? Decent fellows, or scumbags hiding their true nature under the circumstances?<br />
Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: bobbyjay</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobbyjay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 05:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in a lot of ways this reminds me of being &quot;in country&quot; and &quot;up country&quot; a little known term used to signify whether we were in nam or in cambodia or loas.i`m just perplexed that an executive that bills himself as a warrior and a friend of people who serve would be so anti-loyal to those doing the dirty work that needs to be done.at this point i`m glad i`m retired and not &quot;in country&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in a lot of ways this reminds me of being &#8220;in country&#8221; and &#8220;up country&#8221; a little known term used to signify whether we were in nam or in cambodia or loas.i`m just perplexed that an executive that bills himself as a warrior and a friend of people who serve would be so anti-loyal to those doing the dirty work that needs to be done.at this point i`m glad i`m retired and not &#8220;in country&#8221;</p>
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