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Looking back

As we approach the dawn of a new year and near the official advent of campaign 2012, I wanted to look back. Gently though, my stomach cannot handle a hard return, a reliving of those hateful days of the *cough* *cough,* hope-filled, dream candidacy of Barack Obama.

First I wanted to note, for all of the “she won’t run” people, that Obama repeatedly asserted that he wouldn’t run for the presidency in 2008. That is until the Senator from IL declared on Meet the Press that he could no longer stand by the statements he’d previously made to serve a full-term in the Senate before considering a campaign to be president. (And the Obamacrats are all up in arms about Palin resigning from the governorship. It boggles the mind.)

In politics and war, the changing conditions on the ground influence and alter the decisions made at the top. Or they should. No one should be held accountable to his or her prediction of what he or she will be doing in 2, 4 or 6 years and more into the future. More…

I never imagined myself to be a democrat squaring off against a democratic party that no longer represents women, gays and lesbians or the rights of the average American. Nevertheless, here I am.

On October 15th, 2008, the following headline asked the one question that continues to be asked at home, and all across the globe: Will Hillary Clinton run for President again?

Her answer in 2008, from the NY Daily News:

What are the chances of Hillary Clinton running for President again? It depends on what the definition of “close to zero” is. Those are the the odds Clinton placed on the likelihood of her launching another White House bid — and she declared absolutely “no interest” in joining the Supreme Court.

“I am not seeking any other position than to be the best senator from New York that I can be,” Clinton told Fox News.

“There’s an old saying, bloom where you’re planted,” she said.

Clinton’s mantra about being the “best senator” she can be may sound familiar  — she used similar lines to deflect queries about her presidential plans during her 2006 Senate reelection.

“Bloom where you’re planted.” I love that.

And then, of course, there was the dire state of the McCain’s campaign in the summer of 2008. He had no money and nosediving polls, and we all know what those polls mean.

From the Moderate Insider:

THE former presidential front-runner, John McCain, may drop out of the 2008 race by September if his fundraising dries up and his poll ratings continue to drop, according to Republican insiders.

Oh, man, don’t get me started thinking about the press and their penchant from reporting comments from “insiders.” During 2008 all the insider reports were another tool of the Obama campaign and a complicit media to fabricate a narrative. And, there’s absolutely no accountability. It’s criminal.

Recently I read an article about how Obama’s people helped revive McCain because they thought he would be the easiest candidate to beat. And, I had an “aha” moment as to why Obama’s camp is so intent on Romney being the republican nominee. Obama’s strategy with Hillary, and with McCain, was to adopt the same platform as his opponent. Do you remember the joint statement McCain and Obama issued on the economic crisis? (Obama and McCain Issue Joint Statement on the Economy) Obama pulled Hillary’s position papers and re-presented them almost verbatim, although he’d add great lakes in OR, and a few more states to add to his travel itinerary.

Obama’s strategy, I’m guessing,was to make the campaign less about issues and only about personality and the immeasurable qualities of hope and change.

If one views Obamacare as one of the big hurdles Obama has to overcome for re-election, then having Romney, the republican candidate who enacted his own version of Obamacare in MA essentially takes away that issue. Plus, if Obama’s religious choices are scrutinized, then for sure, Romney’s less than mainstream religion will be dismissed as no different from a Rev. Wright, didn’t-pay-attention-in-the-pew churchgoer.

My guess, the reason Palin terrifies Obama is because she’s diametrically opposed to him on the issues, and she beats him in a personality fight.

This is just a quick post, but for an added bit of humor I thought I’d add a quote from Plouffe about the blech of polls.

Obama Campaign: National Polls Are Bunk, Please Ignore Them

By Greg Sargent – August 6, 2007, 4:03PM

Obama campaign manager David Plouffe has just sent out an email to “friends and supporters,” and one chunk of it jumps out at us: The part where he pushes back very hard against the national press and its obsession with national polls, which consistently show Hillary far ahead of Obama.

Keep your eyes on the ground…circumstances are changing.

  • AbigailAdams

    “If anything he’s been too much of a centrist, too willing to compromise to get things done.”

    Lars — What sort of “things” are you hoping he’ll get done?

  • Docelder

    Clinton koolaid is still the strongest koolaid of them all. Then again they did invent it. Clinton playing the saxophone and dancing around to Fleetwood Mac then hobnobbing with Hollywood was really the same thing as todays hope and change. It was all kabuki then and it still is. This administration is the same thing as the Clintons. But nobody can see that because of the Clinton koolaid.

  • Onofre’s arm (required)

    Well then, try to hold your breath until you return. Although oxygen deprivation causes brain damage, you should have nothing to worry about.  :-D

  • LarsThorwald

    Wow.  I haven’t visited this site since the primaries, and I am cleaning up the old favorites bar on ie (new year and all), and it is really refreshing to see people who are willing to still believe that Hillary will run and win if she is just not cheated, destroyed, etc.

    For months this place said there was something juast around the corner that would cause the Obama candidacy to implode.  it didn’t.  For months this place said Obama couldn’t get the nomination.  He did.  For months this place said he could never beat John McCain.  He did.  For months this place said there would be no way the Democratic Party could survive.  It did.  For months this place went on and on and on. 

    The Obama “cultists” turned out to be 53% of voting Americans.  Obama, the guy who was going to bring marxism/islamist evil/Rev. Wright/Bill Ayers etc. to the White House has not.  If anything he’s been too much of a centrist, too willing to compromise to get things done.

    And get things done he – and Democrats in Congress — have. 

    And yet here you all are.  Still disaffected, still angry, still bitter.  Still delusional.

    The chances of Hillary Clinton leaving a job she reportedly loves to run for President in 2012 is precisely the same that we will ever see a tape of Michelle Obama calling out “whitey.” 

    I’ll check back in in about a year, see where you are then.  My bet:  you will not have moved.   

  • SeriouslySickOfObama

    Robb, EXCELLENT, but if you ask babyO why he was not on the job, he would say, oh, I had sick days and vacation days built up, this man has never held a job long enough to collect social security, WHAT A DAMN JOKE anyone thinks he EVER HAD A JOB.  Even the Professors at the Law school said he showed up when he wanted, did nothing, laid around and was the most unproductive, unprofessional and LAZY sub they had ever seen.  The WH is saying that now, LOL.  HE WAS NEVER A REAL PROFESSOR THERE, he was a SUB, a NO SHOW one at that!!

  • Robb

    Jackie, are you brain dead? When did obama have time to be a senator when he was so busy campaigning? obama was a committee chairman with a focus on Afghanistan who never showed up for even a single meeting. He was to busy campaigning. The POS didn’t even attend his grandmother’s funeral because he was too busy campaining( although he did find time for a VACATION in Hawaii). Other than voting present just what the fuck did he accomplish as a U.S. senator?  So ,in effect, he did quit his job. 

  • rosa

    Jackie

    Then, why didn’t obama just sign an order to put it in place before we lose more military people?   There’s his own election reasons I beleive.

  • rosa

    That is one of many attacks on the Clintons  that I will never forget!! ever!

  • TeakWoodKite

    Oh yeah, that little truffle. Man o man, was that ever the dog whistle. I had forgotten that one.

    It is interesting how much of a blur a thousand cuts can become. I do not forget the pain of being called a racist….

  • seattlegonz

    Yeah, arabella, I’ve been waiting for that news, too. Maybe 2016 would be a better year for Hillary to run…

  • arabella trefoil

    seattlegonz – Chelsea and her guy are seriously in love. I’ve heard they want to have children sooner rather than later. Who knows what will happen? But I suspect that Bill and Hill will be grandparents in the not too distant future.

  • Kathleen Wynne

    AA,

    your’re absolutely right about it taking more than 18 million votes.  Even if Hillary had more than 18 million supporters, what good would that do if we can’t be certain that ALL the votes are counted as cast.  Our elections are controlled by the power elite behind the scenes, directing the party leaders to make certain the person they’ve chosen gets into office.  Obama, even bush, are prime examples of their power to put their puppets into the WH.

    Hillary is not liked by the power elite because they know she’s smart enough to play the political game better than they can and how to get around their agenda.  They don’t want to risk her getting into the WH because they are determined to leave nothing to chance in getting their agenda of a one world government finally in place and elections are no longer a necessary inbconvenience.

  • HC123

    Would women and gays be better off voting Republican? It depends on the candidate and on the voter. Not all women and gays are identical, and the fact that you think they are is very telling.

    Your thinking is exactly what pushes America towards banana republic politics. My little people vs your little people. Line them up at the polls or give them guns, just make sure they all show up and do what is expected.

    Its rather disgusting.

  • seattlegonz

    teak, during the dem primary Hillary brought up the tragedy of RFK being assassinated and Obama and his minions distributed the video tape of her interview claiming that she was glad that bobby was killed. (that she ordered it.) And, of course that she wanted to assassinate Obama because she’s a shrill feminist racist.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Obama never quit his original job.

    What was his original job?

  • TeakWoodKite

    You have Gambino relatives? (LOL)

  • seattlegonz

    He was asked if he was going to run for the presidency and he said no he’d serve his full term as senator. Then he bailed. Or lied. He bailed and lied.

  • greenlantern

    Great discussion, sg!

    Are you aware of the rumor that Hillary is soon leaving the SOS post for Richardson to fill? Kevin at HB has his boxers in a twist pushing back on a post from Hot Air. It’s a strange take on Hillary’s mindset but fun reading.

    http://hillbuzz.org/2010/12/28/why-the-bill-richardson-to-replace-hillary-clinton-rumor-is-garbage-quick-answer-she-hates-him-and-people-she-hates-dont-get-to-replace-her-see-also-hrh-princess-caroline-of-kennedy/#comments

  • lauraks

    We  would  all better off not voting for Obama.  As for who the media will allow to be its sacrificial lamb I don’t know.They are certainly not going to abandon Obama.

  • Jackie

    surfered…you’re right…the democratic party used to stand up for the rights of women, gays and lesbians, and minorities. Not Obama’s party though.”

    That statement does not hold in light of DADT Repeal.  I mean, you already know that, but you still can’t help yourself, can you…

  • Jackie

    “(And the Obamacrats are all up in arms about Palin resigning from the governorship. It boggles the mind.)”

    False comparison.  Obama never quit his original job.  The American people promoted him to a new one while he was still holding his Senate seat.  Had they decided not to, and he then quit his Senate seat before the term expired (ala Palin), the comparison would hold.  But it doesn’t.

  • seattlegonz

    Yes, I think women and gays and lesbians would be better off voting Palin than Barack Obama.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Well backtrack and read the link above, which is actually the Katie Couric interview.    
    Honestly, do you think that women and gays would be better off voting Republican?    
    My opinion is in regards what you quoted on Sarah Palin, not my view on who women/gays should  vote on/for…….   
    IF we are looking back this is exactly what happened both in the primaries and the GE, incorrect information was posted on Hillary Clinton & Sarah Palin.

  • getfitnow

    Hillary ran circles around Obama. Too many, inside and outside of DC just didn’t want to admit it. She showed just how policy wonkie she could be while That One was “zeroxing” his anwsers from her.    
       
    I just about fell over when he admited in one of the debates that all his state senate stuff had been thrown out.    
       
    I believe that last time I watched a FOX program was when Hillary had O’Reilly melting and, (he won’t admit it), enraptured.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Well backtrack and read the link above, which is actually the Katie Couric interview.  
    Plus we are not discussing :-  Honestly, do you think that women and gays would be better off voting Republican?  
    My opinion is in regards what you quoted on Sarah Palin not my view on who women should decide to vote on/for…….    

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Well backtrack and read the link above, which is actually the Katie Couric interview.
    Plus we are not discussing :-  Honestly, do you think that women and gays would be better off voting Republican?
    My opinion is in regards what you quoted on Sarah Palin not my view on who women should decide to vote on/for…….  

  • ~~JustMe~~

    The link is posted!  
    I was quoting from her initial interview with Katie Couric.  
     More here 

  • ~~JustMe~~

    The link is posted!
    I was quoting from her initial interview with Katie Couric. No doubt she has stated her view with a firmer stance going forward.  
       
    When pushed on the wide use of the morning-after pill, credited with a large decrease in the number of abortions in America, she said that while it was not McCain/Palin policy, she personally ‘would not choose to participate in that kind of contraception’. More here    

  • creeper

    Ken Starr blew $60 million trying to dig up dirt on the Clintons and all he could come up with was a blow job.

  • surfered

    I added Sarah Palin into the mix only because seattlegonz did.  I have not posted incorrect information with regards to Mrs. Palin.  Go to Google and type in Sarah Palin/Homosexuality, Sarah Palin/Abortion.  Pick the authoritative source of your choice.  I chose the CBS interview with Katie Couric, because it is Mrs. Palin’s actual quotes.

    And no, I do not believe it’s ok to post incorrect information, which is why I spend time I do not have responding to many of these posts.  Honestly, do you think that women and gays would be better off voting Republican?

    As for Hillary Clinton, I would have voted for her in the primary; however, I am in a late primary state and it was already over between her and Obama.

    Every one has their most important issues when they vote.  For me in 2004 and 2008, it was the unnecessary war in Iraq and the fiscal suicide of tax cuts without offsetting spending cuts that drove my decision.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    You may of been trying to offer an explanation on  :-
    Seattlegonz’s original point was that she was “squaring off against a Democratic Party that no longer represents women, gays and lesbians…” 
     
    But you then continued on, adding Sarah Palin into the mix and her views, which on further research were incorrect. 
    So I have a question. Just so we understand…. it’s OK to post a personal view, regardless, if it means incorrect information is quoted on Sarah Palin?
     
    Is this not exactly what The Media did to Hillary Clinton? If we are looking back…….

  • ~~JustMe~~

    You may of been trying to offer an explanation on  :-
    Seattlegonz’s original point was that she was “squaring off against a Democratic Party that no longer represents women, gays and lesbians…” 
     
    But you then continued on, adding Sarah Palin into the mix and her views, which on further view were incorrect. 
    So I have a question. Just so we understand…. it’s OK to state a personal view, regardless, if it means incorrect information is posted on Sarah Palin?
     
    Is this not exactly what happened to Hillary Clinton, in the primaries?

  • surfered

    Hey, these are your issues, so good luck with them.  

    Good night.

  • seattlegonz

    Good point Susie…amen!

  • susiepuma

    The Dem party never ‘represented women, gays and lesbians, etc.’ – they only used them while running for election or re-election, then tucked them back in the back of the bus where they remain -

    Just another reason why I am no longer a Dem and will never vote for any Dem again in my lifetime……………………….

  • seattlegonz

    surfered…you’re right…the democratic party used to stand up for the rights of women, gays and lesbians, and minorities. Not Obama’s party though.

  • surfered

    Seattlegonz’s original point was that she was “squaring off against a Democratic Party that no longer represents women, gays and lesbians…”

    This position contradicts the historical record.  Here are demonstrable facts:  if you don’t believe me, you all have the Google Machine, look it up.  The Republican Party opposed the Equal Rights Amendment.  They passed the Defense of Marriage Act to keep gays from marrying.  The majority of them voted against Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. They are constantly attempting to restrict a woman’s right to choose and the National Organization of Women does not lend them their support because of their positions on these women’s issues.

    I am not arguing for or in favor of anything, I am only stating the historical record of the two parties.  Now, maybe the Tea Party is different, if so, educate me.

  • getfitnow

    Hillary ran circles around Obama. Too many, inside and outside of DC just didn’t want to admit it. She showed just how policy wonkie she could be while That One was “zeroxing” his anwsers from her.  
     
    I just about fell over when he admited in one of the debates that all his state senate stuff had been thrown out.  
     
    I believe that last time I watched a FOX program was when Hillary had O’Reilly melting and, (he won’t admit it), enraptured. <img src=”extra/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-laughing.gif” title=”Laughing” border=”0″ alt=”Laughing”/>
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  • getfitnow

    Hillery ran circles around Obama. Too many, inside and outside of DC just didn’t want to admit it. She showed just how policy wonkie she could be while That One was “zeroxing” his anwsers from her.

    I just about fell over when he admited in one of the debates that all his state senate stuff had been thrown out.

    I believe that last time I watched a FOX program was when Hillary had O’Reilly melting and, (he won’t admit it), enraptured. :-D

  • seattlegonz

    You know Ferd, I wasn’t saying I’d like Romney…I was saying that Romneycare is the reason Obama wants him to win the gop nomination. (I just want to make sure that’s clear.)

  • seattlegonz

    wodiej, I get that you don’t like Bill and Hillary, but to say that they’ve done many corrupt things is absurd. The republican party has been trying to tie the two of them to corruption and has failed in every attempt.

    It’s really easy to accuse one of a crime, and while devastating in politics, being accused is not guilt. The right has tried to bury Hillary…to me it says everything about her character that she continues to serve and won’t be driven from her work by bullies.

  • seattlegonz

    I also would vote for Hillary. She’s proved herself over and over again.

  • seattlegonz

    oh, arabella, you had me going until you said early 2012. Chelsea would have to endure a heckuva pregnancy if it went on for over a year.

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    I certainly do, Abigail. Moreover, I hope Palin keeps the Republican’s and Democrat’s feet to the fire. She’s doing us a service.