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Looking back

As we approach the dawn of a new year and near the official advent of campaign 2012, I wanted to look back. Gently though, my stomach cannot handle a hard return, a reliving of those hateful days of the *cough* *cough,* hope-filled, dream candidacy of Barack Obama.

First I wanted to note, for all of the “she won’t run” people, that Obama repeatedly asserted that he wouldn’t run for the presidency in 2008. That is until the Senator from IL declared on Meet the Press that he could no longer stand by the statements he’d previously made to serve a full-term in the Senate before considering a campaign to be president. (And the Obamacrats are all up in arms about Palin resigning from the governorship. It boggles the mind.)

In politics and war, the changing conditions on the ground influence and alter the decisions made at the top. Or they should. No one should be held accountable to his or her prediction of what he or she will be doing in 2, 4 or 6 years and more into the future. More…

I never imagined myself to be a democrat squaring off against a democratic party that no longer represents women, gays and lesbians or the rights of the average American. Nevertheless, here I am.

On October 15th, 2008, the following headline asked the one question that continues to be asked at home, and all across the globe: Will Hillary Clinton run for President again?

Her answer in 2008, from the NY Daily News:

What are the chances of Hillary Clinton running for President again? It depends on what the definition of “close to zero” is. Those are the the odds Clinton placed on the likelihood of her launching another White House bid — and she declared absolutely “no interest” in joining the Supreme Court.

“I am not seeking any other position than to be the best senator from New York that I can be,” Clinton told Fox News.

“There’s an old saying, bloom where you’re planted,” she said.

Clinton’s mantra about being the “best senator” she can be may sound familiar  — she used similar lines to deflect queries about her presidential plans during her 2006 Senate reelection.

“Bloom where you’re planted.” I love that.

And then, of course, there was the dire state of the McCain’s campaign in the summer of 2008. He had no money and nosediving polls, and we all know what those polls mean.

From the Moderate Insider:

THE former presidential front-runner, John McCain, may drop out of the 2008 race by September if his fundraising dries up and his poll ratings continue to drop, according to Republican insiders.

Oh, man, don’t get me started thinking about the press and their penchant from reporting comments from “insiders.” During 2008 all the insider reports were another tool of the Obama campaign and a complicit media to fabricate a narrative. And, there’s absolutely no accountability. It’s criminal.

Recently I read an article about how Obama’s people helped revive McCain because they thought he would be the easiest candidate to beat. And, I had an “aha” moment as to why Obama’s camp is so intent on Romney being the republican nominee. Obama’s strategy with Hillary, and with McCain, was to adopt the same platform as his opponent. Do you remember the joint statement McCain and Obama issued on the economic crisis? (Obama and McCain Issue Joint Statement on the Economy) Obama pulled Hillary’s position papers and re-presented them almost verbatim, although he’d add great lakes in OR, and a few more states to add to his travel itinerary.

Obama’s strategy, I’m guessing,was to make the campaign less about issues and only about personality and the immeasurable qualities of hope and change.

If one views Obamacare as one of the big hurdles Obama has to overcome for re-election, then having Romney, the republican candidate who enacted his own version of Obamacare in MA essentially takes away that issue. Plus, if Obama’s religious choices are scrutinized, then for sure, Romney’s less than mainstream religion will be dismissed as no different from a Rev. Wright, didn’t-pay-attention-in-the-pew churchgoer.

My guess, the reason Palin terrifies Obama is because she’s diametrically opposed to him on the issues, and she beats him in a personality fight.

This is just a quick post, but for an added bit of humor I thought I’d add a quote from Plouffe about the blech of polls.

Obama Campaign: National Polls Are Bunk, Please Ignore Them

By Greg Sargent – August 6, 2007, 4:03PM

Obama campaign manager David Plouffe has just sent out an email to “friends and supporters,” and one chunk of it jumps out at us: The part where he pushes back very hard against the national press and its obsession with national polls, which consistently show Hillary far ahead of Obama.

Keep your eyes on the ground…circumstances are changing.

  • yttik

    Circumstances are changing, the thing is, there is nothing in a presidential run for Hillary Clinton. It would be like a demotion. She is currently a world leader, admired all across the globe and working to advance the rights of women and girls. It wouldn’t be like her to stop and run an expensive presidential campaign in which she will be constantly attacked, all in the hopes of winning a presidency that would actually limit her ability to do the work she loves. Being president is not an title, it’s not an award, it’s a hard job that ages and limits you.

  • Linda Anselmi

    Great points SeattleGonz!!  

    Circumstances change.  Never assume.  And never say never.  Life is easier that way.

  • AbigailAdams

    ” Obama pulled Hillary’s position papers and re-presented them almost verbatim. He did this, I’m guessing, in order to make the campaign an election of personality and nothing more.”

    He did this because he couldn’t even answer the soft balls from Blitzer, et al, during the debates.  She got the the tough questions and he was being hammered by the opposition for saying “What she said” while also accusing her of sleeping with lobbyists and being a racist.  However, if his admirers had really been listening there was a lot he said that gave rise to PUMAs and eventually the tea party.  “Fundamentally changing America” has grave implications if you know his associations and only a very little of his personal history. 

    She’s not running.

  • beyond_words

    Yes the press can  be quite devious. I was reading on the Ivory Coast problems in west africa came across comments about failed coalition power sharing in many countries there:

    “Other African nations have opted for coalition governments in the wake of contested elections which degenerated into violence with varying degrees of success. Ivory Coast, however, is unique in that the United Nations was allowed to certify the election results as part of a peace agreement that ended the 2002-2003 civil war.”

    “In Kenya, Mwai Kibaki and Raila Odinga agreed to a coalition government after election violence following the December 2007 vote left more than 1,000 people dead. Kibaki serves as president and Odinga is the country’s prime minister.”

    - Yet of course the press writer totally omits who is Odinga’s cousin and who in 2006 spent time and effort on the ground in Kenya campaigning for Odinga’s election. Yes that’s right – Princess Obama.

    Nice article Seattle.

  • FLDemFem

    AA, she can’t say if she wants to run or not. The Secretary of State may not participate in domestic politics while in office. It would set up a possible conflict of interest so it is not allowed. If you really want to know if Hillary is going to run again, wait until the day after she resigns, which should be soon. She said when she took the job that she wouldn’t serve past 2011. Until then, she is not free to say whether or not she is even considering running, never mind announcing that she will be running. So be patient and wait, Hillary cannot say anything yet. It would be illegal for her to do so. I am being patient and trusting that she will do what is best for the country, as she always has.

  • TeakWoodKite

    I will not hold my breath regarding the odds Hillary would run, but I would be the first to concede that “hope and change” are empty words when spoken by BO.

    Of course events may eclipes the best plans of liars and frauds.

  • FLDemFem

    The Kenyan government at the time sent an official protest over Obama campaigning for Odinga. It is not only illegal under our laws, it is illegal under theirs. Of course, no one in the MSM picked up on it, for some strange reason.

  • AbigailAdams

    And for some strange reason, he wasn’t reprimanded by the congress or investigated for violating the Logan Act for interfering with State negotiations in Iraq while he was there on a “fact finding” trip in ’08.

  • seattlegonz

    yttik, I don’t think Hillary views the presidency as a title or an award…she knows first hand the demands, limits and requirements of the job.

    I don’t know if she’ll ever run again or if she’s going to retire to write and teach.

    I do know that one of the “hits” against her while running in 2008 was that she had no foreign policy experience, or experience running a government or agency…well, I guess she addressed those two issues.

  • seattlegonz

    No, I’m not an advocate of anyone holding her breath for any particular even to happen in politics. I just think about the events that changed circumstances. (I’d bring up the assinations of JFK and Bobby, but I fear that there will be a video tape distributed to all the media outlets implying that I advocated their assassinations.)

  • AbigailAdams

    Let’s look at a possible HRC run in another way.  She would be the head of the the Democrat party.  I strikes me as the most supreme act of contempt the DNC would ever profer to its members.  What are they to say to all those whom they fired up into a raging mob against Hillary Rodham Clinton and her supporters for nearly two solid years?  The primary and GE activities of Barack Obama’s supporters were the most insane form of near savagery acted out against the people of their own party anyone can remember ever happening.  Ever.  So, are Obama’s supporters supposed to just forget that they hate HRC and her foul “die hard” supporers with every fiber of their being?  Wouldn’t it be too very telling if suddenly all those people they were waiting for turned out to love her so much they cast their votes for her?  I certainly remember the epithets, the angry fingers in my face, and the broken glasses, keyed cars, stolen signs, bitten fingers, dead rabbits on doorsteps, threatening phone calls, caucus and voter fraud that was perpetrated by Obama’s supporters.  My own adolescent child was called a b**** and told to “get educated” by a twenty-something, college student in Portland, OR, because she was wearing a Hillary button.  How, pray tell, will this same ass take the news that he’s now supposed to support Hillary just because the DNC says so?  And we all know this kind of activity was not isolated.  We had the Black Panthers intimidaing voters, for crying out loud.  Good luck getting that bunch under control.  It’s going to take more than 18 million votes to win the GE in 2012.

    The Ds screwed themselves so badly, they can’t even comprehend how bad. 

    No wonder we’re called the United States of Amnesia. 

  • GORDO

    “Sen. Barack Obama, with a donation of nearly $1 million, and a son of Libyan dictator Muammar Gadhafi were among the biggest contributors to the presidential campaign of controversial Kenyan leader Raila Odinga, according to an internal document obtained by WND.

    Among the 72 individuals and organizations that contributed money to Odinga’s 2007 presidential run in Kenya, Shabbir lists “Friends of Senator B.O.” as having donated 66,000,000 Kenyan schillings, about $950,000.
    Saif el-Islam Gadhafi, the Libyan strongman’s second oldest son, reportedly donated 53,450,000 Kenyan schillings, about $765,000.”
    http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=78035
    ==================
    “AP ODINGA/OBAMA COVERUP”
    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/06/ap-odingaobama.html

  • seattlegonz

    I agree, AA. The strategy of infecting the democratic party with CDS was beyond stupid. When I was first attacked for being a Hillary supporter, I kept saying, “but we’re on the same side!” Cringe. Not so much.

    I know that Hillary was sold out because the dem party thought that they would have this grand influx of members that were young and would stay with the party through the years…they viewed Obama as a lock on power for generations. (apparently women don’t matter as much.)

    Well, they were wrong. Obama wasn’t even able to hold onto power for 2 years. So the question is…what will those young people do in 2012? Has the trash Palin offensive been successful enough that they would never switch to her? (Oh, God, if they would or do…democrats will never be in power again unless Palin is terrible.)

    It may be that clinton democrats are the only democrats left in the party.

  • AbigailAdams

    These are the folks I’m talkin’ about.

  • prDiana L. C.

    I loved this cartoon that was printed in the Denver Post today.   The person who is commenting about Obaby’s new present from Santa seems to understand how difficult it is to predict what a Child in Chief will do.

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nate-beelers-toons/2010/12/christmas-wish-fulfilled

  • JB, SoCal, USA

    OT . . . but maybe not so much.  HERE WE GO AGAIN . . .  

    This is some INCREDIBLY UNBELIEVABLE SH*T — it’s 2008 all over again!  I read this three times now and still can’t believe it:

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/29/dem-warns-bill-clinton-back-off/#more-141181

  • Noogan

    Carol Moseley Braun’s insulting comments are nasty lies! 

    Davis is at 7%, Emmanuel’s at 44%. They’re pissed off and desperate in the black voting bloc up there in Chicago. Bill Clinton doesn’t need to campaign for Emmanuel, who can win without him. 

  • Noogan

    I wouldn’t vote for Hillary Clinton if she did run. I’m sorry, but that’s just the truth. I like her, admire her, and appreciate her; but she won’t run against Obama this time–unless he drops out and publicly invites her to run, which isn’t going to happen! He’ll run; Hillary won’t. 

    In any case, I’m voting GOP or Ron Paul if he runs again. I’ve done too much reading since the primaries, and I can’t go back to the Democrats/liberals/progressives. Not now; not ever again. 

  • Noogan

    Okay, this is definitely OT, but relevant: 

    Hillary Clinton should retire as Sec/State and make as much money as she can; the Democratic Party be damned.

    We’re headed for a fall in this country, and she should let Obama be the one who’s held resonsible for it. Here’s the scoop: 

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/12/underneath-happy-talk-is-this-as-bad-as.html
     

  • CentralMass

    We have seen almost a complete continuation of the previous adminitrations fiscal policies including extension of the tax cuts. Wth the same results. What has changed beside the character in the big White building?

  • creeper

    Good post, SeattleGonz.

    But I see nothing wrong with expecting politicians to be true to their word.  Hillary Clinton promised the people of New York that she would serve her full term as their Senator and she made good on that promise. 

    Barack Obama’s candidacy started with a lie.  His ineptness in office should surprise no one.  A man who cannot tell the truth will not have the country’s best interests at heart.

  • creeper

    Great find, Noogan.  Rome’s burning and Barry keeps fiddling.

  • AbigailAdams

    And a liar has only one person’s interest at heart.

  • AbigailAdams

    I think the Clinton Democrats were the first ones to leave the Democrat party.

  • seattlegonz

    And, I agree with you about that, too, AA. The obamacrats made the party unliveable for any self-respecting democrat.

  • seattlegonz

    Understood Noogan.

    I just want people to start declaring already. LOL. While I don’t want to relive any of the hell of 2006-2008, I’m ready to move on from speculation arguments and discussions. Let’s know who the candidates are already…then we can get down to brass tacks.

  • surfered

    “I never imagined myself to be a democrat squaring off against a democratic party that no longer represents women, gays and lesbians or the rights of the average American. Nevertheless, here I am.”
    ===============================================

    Look, I don’t have a dog in this fight and no offense, but are aware that The National Organization of Women opposed Sarah Palin because, among other things, she opposes the morning-after pill and would counsel against an abortion for a 15-year-old raped by her father?  As for homosexuaity, she believes it is a choice. 

    If these issues are important to you, I don’t think you are going to find any support from Republican politicians.

  • seattlegonz

    The misogyny and sexism evidenced by obama and many of his supporters rules out my ever being willing to cast a vote for him.

    The behavior of his campaign was abusive, and I won’t validate it in any way.

    There are many women’s issues, like safety, security and freedom from slavery that are far more important, IMO, than the right to choose.

  • creeper

    Cite your source, surfered.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Just a minute, sufered….
    Sarah Palin said she would counsel to choose life. A 15yr old or anyone should be initially counseled of the emotional turmoil connected to abortion. Surely this would be a normal discussion between a Dr and patient when confronting such a situation?
    However, Sarah also clarified that if a woman in that position did choose to have an abortion, she would not support them being sent to jail for it.
    That is her position on choosing life over abortion. The media skewed her explanation, making it look as though a 15yr should simply carry a baby who had been raped by her father!
     
    When asked on the morning after pill she stated she personally ‘would not choose to participate in that kind of ‘contraception’. She did not oppose normal contraception!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Just a minute, sufered….
    Sarah Palin said she would counsel to choose life. A 15yr old or anyone should be initially counseled of the emotional turmoil connected to abortion. Surely this would be a normal discussion between a Dr and patient when confronting such a situation?
    However, Sarah also clarified that if a woman in that position did choose to have an abortion, she would not support them being sent to jail for it.
    That is her position on choosing life over abortion. The media skewed her explanation, making it look as though a 15yr should simply carry a baby who had been raped by her father!
     
    When asked on the morning after pill she stated she personally ‘would not choose to participate in that kind of contraception’. She did not oppose normal contraception!

  • candymarl red bone cracker

    Funny they didn’t warn Bill to back off when Obama had to go to his Christmas oarty.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    This was the Katie Couric, interview and we all know how that went!

  • arabella trefoil

    Maybe Hillary will be busy with another project really soon. One close to home. One involving lots of pink and blue and yellow color schemes. One involving oooops – Sorry. I’ve said too much already.

    Let’s just say 2011 or early 2012 is going to be a very special time for Hillary, and the rest of her family.

  • candymarl red bone cracker

    Obama is against gay marriage. He had people campaign for him that also believe being gay is a choice and can be changed or fixed.  Now he’s rethinking it? At least Palin is consistent. You know where she stands. Do Iagree? NO.  But as Gov of Alaska  she did not legislate based on her personal beliefs.  There was a Repub amendment to ban gay marriage in Alaska.  She vetoed it because the majority of Alaskans said they didn’t care and didn’t want such an amendment.

    Her personal views aside she’s proven that she listens to voters.  Can Obama say the same? Helathcare bill and bailouts anyone?

  • arabella trefoil

    surfered’s source:

  • wodiej crackerdawg

    NOW has no more credibility as far as Im concerned.  Palin has not intention to reverse a woman’s right to choose and one of her best friends is gay.  So what she believes gays choose and counsels against abortion. next.

  • wodiej crackerdawg

    NOW has no more credibility as far as Im concerned.  Palin has no intention to reverse a woman’s right to choose and one of her best friends is gay.  So what- she believes gays choose and counsels against abortion. next.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    This was the Katie Couric, interview, and we all know how the media skewed her words/explanation to look afterwards!

  • wodiej crackerdawg

    If I was Hillary and Bill Clinton I would seek redemption for all of the corrupt things they have done and the sooner the better.  Power and money can be an insidious thing,  I would never support either of them in any position of leadership.  Their past is littered with corruption, fraud, adultry, drugs, cover ups etc.  Probably Bill more than Hillary but if she were in the WH he would be too.  I just think with his almost impeachment, Americans would flock to the polls to vote against Hillary.  It will never happen.

    Personally, I am hoping to see some fresh integrity on a GOP ticket with Palin, Daniels or others of similar stature.  Daniels of Indiana said he would not run but now is considering it.  I live in Indiana and he has done a phenomenal job as Governor for the last 6 years.  Recently he said he would allow cities to file bankruptcy protection which has never been done before.  However, the city government would then be taken over by the State and they would be in charge of cutting costs which would include pensions, salaries, budgets etc.  I’m sure he is doing this to avoid the state and taxpayers bailing out cities that are frivolous w their money.

  • arabella trefoil

    It’s the last week of the year, and many journalists come up with predictions for 2011. I, too, put on my Miss Chloe hat. (Remember her?)

    Here is the beginning of many of my predictions:

    When the moon is in the Seventh House
    And Jupiter aligns with Mars
    Then Larry will guide the planets
    And NQ will steer the stars

    This is the dawning of the age that’s hilarious
    The age of hilarious!
    Hilarious!
    Hilarious!

    Truthiness and understanding
    Sarcasm and snark abounding
    No more falsehoods or revisions
    Golden living dreams of visions
    Mystic crystal reportation
    And the mind’s true liberation
    Hilarious!
    Hilarious!

    And now, brothers and sisters of NQ, join me in a segue into “Let the Sun Shine in!”

    I am usually a person of peace. I am always a person of truth. I wish no ill on any person. But my reading of the stars, the crystals, and Prof. Trewlawney’s globe can lead me to but one conclusion:

    In 2012, Karma is coming. And 2011 will give us a prequel. Patience and Fortitude.

  • candymarl red bone cracker

    Ooops healthcare.

  • Anita Finlay ("Ani")

    Actually that is not true. She has said she is in favor of the morning after pill and birth control.

  • Anita Finlay ("Ani")

    Really? I would. Whatever Hillary wants to run for she has got my vote. Competence. What a concept.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Hi Anita, you speaking to me?

    When pushed on the wide use of the morning-after pill, credited with a large decrease in the number of abortions in America, she said that while it was not McCain/Palin policy, she personally ‘would not choose to participate in that kind of contraception’. More here

  • ~~JustMe~~

    When pushed on the wide use of the morning-after pill, credited with a large decrease in the number of abortions in America, she said that while it was not McCain/Palin policy, she personally ‘would not choose to participate in that kind of contraception’. More here

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Hi Ani, are you speaking to me?
    I was quoting from her initial interview with Katie Couric. No doubt she has stated her view with a firmer stance going forward.
     
    When pushed on the wide use of the morning-after pill, credited with a large decrease in the number of abortions in America, she said that while it was not McCain/Palin policy, she personally ‘would not choose to participate in that kind of contraception’. More here  

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    If one views Obamacare as one of the big hurdles Obama has to overcome for re-election, then having Romney, the republican candidate who enacted his own version of Obamacare in MA essentially takes away that issue.
    ================
    Romney is the last Republican I would vote for. He’s a dull as dishwater. Katmoon was right–he should be cast in the role of Superman’s Dad to keep him far away from politics. Oh, they want to make money with the film. Never mind.

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    Spot on. The abortion issue is for single-issue losers who can’t fathom that this is being used as a wedge to drive people who are otherwise functionally aware, apart. If a person dislikes abortion, they shouldn’t have one. And if they want one–it is none of my business. Let’s move on to more critical matters such as the never-ending assault on the middle class by the moochers.

  • AbigailAdams

    Ferd:  I think the tea party will have a lot to say about the “Republican” candidate pool, don’t you?

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    I certainly do, Abigail. Moreover, I hope Palin keeps the Republican’s and Democrat’s feet to the fire. She’s doing us a service.

  • seattlegonz

    oh, arabella, you had me going until you said early 2012. Chelsea would have to endure a heckuva pregnancy if it went on for over a year.

  • seattlegonz

    I also would vote for Hillary. She’s proved herself over and over again.

  • seattlegonz

    wodiej, I get that you don’t like Bill and Hillary, but to say that they’ve done many corrupt things is absurd. The republican party has been trying to tie the two of them to corruption and has failed in every attempt.

    It’s really easy to accuse one of a crime, and while devastating in politics, being accused is not guilt. The right has tried to bury Hillary…to me it says everything about her character that she continues to serve and won’t be driven from her work by bullies.

  • seattlegonz

    You know Ferd, I wasn’t saying I’d like Romney…I was saying that Romneycare is the reason Obama wants him to win the gop nomination. (I just want to make sure that’s clear.)

  • getfitnow

    Hillery ran circles around Obama. Too many, inside and outside of DC just didn’t want to admit it. She showed just how policy wonkie she could be while That One was “zeroxing” his anwsers from her.

    I just about fell over when he admited in one of the debates that all his state senate stuff had been thrown out.

    I believe that last time I watched a FOX program was when Hillary had O’Reilly melting and, (he won’t admit it), enraptured. :-D

  • getfitnow

    Hillary ran circles around Obama. Too many, inside and outside of DC just didn’t want to admit it. She showed just how policy wonkie she could be while That One was “zeroxing” his anwsers from her.  
     
    I just about fell over when he admited in one of the debates that all his state senate stuff had been thrown out.  
     
    I believe that last time I watched a FOX program was when Hillary had O’Reilly melting and, (he won’t admit it), enraptured. <img src=”extra/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-laughing.gif” title=”Laughing” border=”0″ alt=”Laughing”/>
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  • surfered

    Seattlegonz’s original point was that she was “squaring off against a Democratic Party that no longer represents women, gays and lesbians…”

    This position contradicts the historical record.  Here are demonstrable facts:  if you don’t believe me, you all have the Google Machine, look it up.  The Republican Party opposed the Equal Rights Amendment.  They passed the Defense of Marriage Act to keep gays from marrying.  The majority of them voted against Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. They are constantly attempting to restrict a woman’s right to choose and the National Organization of Women does not lend them their support because of their positions on these women’s issues.

    I am not arguing for or in favor of anything, I am only stating the historical record of the two parties.  Now, maybe the Tea Party is different, if so, educate me.

  • seattlegonz

    surfered…you’re right…the democratic party used to stand up for the rights of women, gays and lesbians, and minorities. Not Obama’s party though.

  • susiepuma

    The Dem party never ‘represented women, gays and lesbians, etc.’ – they only used them while running for election or re-election, then tucked them back in the back of the bus where they remain -

    Just another reason why I am no longer a Dem and will never vote for any Dem again in my lifetime……………………….

  • seattlegonz

    Good point Susie…amen!

  • surfered

    Hey, these are your issues, so good luck with them.  

    Good night.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    You may of been trying to offer an explanation on  :-
    Seattlegonz’s original point was that she was “squaring off against a Democratic Party that no longer represents women, gays and lesbians…” 
     
    But you then continued on, adding Sarah Palin into the mix and her views, which on further view were incorrect. 
    So I have a question. Just so we understand…. it’s OK to state a personal view, regardless, if it means incorrect information is posted on Sarah Palin?
     
    Is this not exactly what happened to Hillary Clinton, in the primaries?

  • ~~JustMe~~

    You may of been trying to offer an explanation on  :-
    Seattlegonz’s original point was that she was “squaring off against a Democratic Party that no longer represents women, gays and lesbians…” 
     
    But you then continued on, adding Sarah Palin into the mix and her views, which on further research were incorrect. 
    So I have a question. Just so we understand…. it’s OK to post a personal view, regardless, if it means incorrect information is quoted on Sarah Palin?
     
    Is this not exactly what The Media did to Hillary Clinton? If we are looking back…….

  • surfered

    I added Sarah Palin into the mix only because seattlegonz did.  I have not posted incorrect information with regards to Mrs. Palin.  Go to Google and type in Sarah Palin/Homosexuality, Sarah Palin/Abortion.  Pick the authoritative source of your choice.  I chose the CBS interview with Katie Couric, because it is Mrs. Palin’s actual quotes.

    And no, I do not believe it’s ok to post incorrect information, which is why I spend time I do not have responding to many of these posts.  Honestly, do you think that women and gays would be better off voting Republican?

    As for Hillary Clinton, I would have voted for her in the primary; however, I am in a late primary state and it was already over between her and Obama.

    Every one has their most important issues when they vote.  For me in 2004 and 2008, it was the unnecessary war in Iraq and the fiscal suicide of tax cuts without offsetting spending cuts that drove my decision.

  • creeper

    Ken Starr blew $60 million trying to dig up dirt on the Clintons and all he could come up with was a blow job.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    The link is posted!
    I was quoting from her initial interview with Katie Couric. No doubt she has stated her view with a firmer stance going forward.  
       
    When pushed on the wide use of the morning-after pill, credited with a large decrease in the number of abortions in America, she said that while it was not McCain/Palin policy, she personally ‘would not choose to participate in that kind of contraception’. More here    

  • ~~JustMe~~

    The link is posted!  
    I was quoting from her initial interview with Katie Couric.  
     More here 

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Well backtrack and read the link above, which is actually the Katie Couric interview.
    Plus we are not discussing :-  Honestly, do you think that women and gays would be better off voting Republican?
    My opinion is in regards what you quoted on Sarah Palin not my view on who women should decide to vote on/for…….  

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Well backtrack and read the link above, which is actually the Katie Couric interview.  
    Plus we are not discussing :-  Honestly, do you think that women and gays would be better off voting Republican?  
    My opinion is in regards what you quoted on Sarah Palin not my view on who women should decide to vote on/for…….    

  • getfitnow

    Hillary ran circles around Obama. Too many, inside and outside of DC just didn’t want to admit it. She showed just how policy wonkie she could be while That One was “zeroxing” his anwsers from her.    
       
    I just about fell over when he admited in one of the debates that all his state senate stuff had been thrown out.    
       
    I believe that last time I watched a FOX program was when Hillary had O’Reilly melting and, (he won’t admit it), enraptured.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Well backtrack and read the link above, which is actually the Katie Couric interview.    
    Honestly, do you think that women and gays would be better off voting Republican?    
    My opinion is in regards what you quoted on Sarah Palin, not my view on who women/gays should  vote on/for…….   
    IF we are looking back this is exactly what happened both in the primaries and the GE, incorrect information was posted on Hillary Clinton & Sarah Palin.

  • seattlegonz

    Yes, I think women and gays and lesbians would be better off voting Palin than Barack Obama.

  • Jackie

    “(And the Obamacrats are all up in arms about Palin resigning from the governorship. It boggles the mind.)”

    False comparison.  Obama never quit his original job.  The American people promoted him to a new one while he was still holding his Senate seat.  Had they decided not to, and he then quit his Senate seat before the term expired (ala Palin), the comparison would hold.  But it doesn’t.

  • Jackie

    surfered…you’re right…the democratic party used to stand up for the rights of women, gays and lesbians, and minorities. Not Obama’s party though.”

    That statement does not hold in light of DADT Repeal.  I mean, you already know that, but you still can’t help yourself, can you…

  • lauraks

    We  would  all better off not voting for Obama.  As for who the media will allow to be its sacrificial lamb I don’t know.They are certainly not going to abandon Obama.

  • greenlantern

    Great discussion, sg!

    Are you aware of the rumor that Hillary is soon leaving the SOS post for Richardson to fill? Kevin at HB has his boxers in a twist pushing back on a post from Hot Air. It’s a strange take on Hillary’s mindset but fun reading.

    http://hillbuzz.org/2010/12/28/why-the-bill-richardson-to-replace-hillary-clinton-rumor-is-garbage-quick-answer-she-hates-him-and-people-she-hates-dont-get-to-replace-her-see-also-hrh-princess-caroline-of-kennedy/#comments

  • seattlegonz

    He was asked if he was going to run for the presidency and he said no he’d serve his full term as senator. Then he bailed. Or lied. He bailed and lied.

  • TeakWoodKite

    You have Gambino relatives? (LOL)

  • TeakWoodKite

    Obama never quit his original job.

    What was his original job?

  • seattlegonz

    teak, during the dem primary Hillary brought up the tragedy of RFK being assassinated and Obama and his minions distributed the video tape of her interview claiming that she was glad that bobby was killed. (that she ordered it.) And, of course that she wanted to assassinate Obama because she’s a shrill feminist racist.

  • HC123

    Would women and gays be better off voting Republican? It depends on the candidate and on the voter. Not all women and gays are identical, and the fact that you think they are is very telling.

    Your thinking is exactly what pushes America towards banana republic politics. My little people vs your little people. Line them up at the polls or give them guns, just make sure they all show up and do what is expected.

    Its rather disgusting.

  • Kathleen Wynne

    AA,

    your’re absolutely right about it taking more than 18 million votes.  Even if Hillary had more than 18 million supporters, what good would that do if we can’t be certain that ALL the votes are counted as cast.  Our elections are controlled by the power elite behind the scenes, directing the party leaders to make certain the person they’ve chosen gets into office.  Obama, even bush, are prime examples of their power to put their puppets into the WH.

    Hillary is not liked by the power elite because they know she’s smart enough to play the political game better than they can and how to get around their agenda.  They don’t want to risk her getting into the WH because they are determined to leave nothing to chance in getting their agenda of a one world government finally in place and elections are no longer a necessary inbconvenience.

  • arabella trefoil

    seattlegonz – Chelsea and her guy are seriously in love. I’ve heard they want to have children sooner rather than later. Who knows what will happen? But I suspect that Bill and Hill will be grandparents in the not too distant future.

  • seattlegonz

    Yeah, arabella, I’ve been waiting for that news, too. Maybe 2016 would be a better year for Hillary to run…

  • TeakWoodKite

    Oh yeah, that little truffle. Man o man, was that ever the dog whistle. I had forgotten that one.

    It is interesting how much of a blur a thousand cuts can become. I do not forget the pain of being called a racist….

  • rosa

    That is one of many attacks on the Clintons  that I will never forget!! ever!

  • rosa

    Jackie

    Then, why didn’t obama just sign an order to put it in place before we lose more military people?   There’s his own election reasons I beleive.

  • Robb

    Jackie, are you brain dead? When did obama have time to be a senator when he was so busy campaigning? obama was a committee chairman with a focus on Afghanistan who never showed up for even a single meeting. He was to busy campaigning. The POS didn’t even attend his grandmother’s funeral because he was too busy campaining( although he did find time for a VACATION in Hawaii). Other than voting present just what the fuck did he accomplish as a U.S. senator?  So ,in effect, he did quit his job. 

  • SeriouslySickOfObama

    Robb, EXCELLENT, but if you ask babyO why he was not on the job, he would say, oh, I had sick days and vacation days built up, this man has never held a job long enough to collect social security, WHAT A DAMN JOKE anyone thinks he EVER HAD A JOB.  Even the Professors at the Law school said he showed up when he wanted, did nothing, laid around and was the most unproductive, unprofessional and LAZY sub they had ever seen.  The WH is saying that now, LOL.  HE WAS NEVER A REAL PROFESSOR THERE, he was a SUB, a NO SHOW one at that!!

  • LarsThorwald

    Wow.  I haven’t visited this site since the primaries, and I am cleaning up the old favorites bar on ie (new year and all), and it is really refreshing to see people who are willing to still believe that Hillary will run and win if she is just not cheated, destroyed, etc.

    For months this place said there was something juast around the corner that would cause the Obama candidacy to implode.  it didn’t.  For months this place said Obama couldn’t get the nomination.  He did.  For months this place said he could never beat John McCain.  He did.  For months this place said there would be no way the Democratic Party could survive.  It did.  For months this place went on and on and on. 

    The Obama “cultists” turned out to be 53% of voting Americans.  Obama, the guy who was going to bring marxism/islamist evil/Rev. Wright/Bill Ayers etc. to the White House has not.  If anything he’s been too much of a centrist, too willing to compromise to get things done.

    And get things done he – and Democrats in Congress — have. 

    And yet here you all are.  Still disaffected, still angry, still bitter.  Still delusional.

    The chances of Hillary Clinton leaving a job she reportedly loves to run for President in 2012 is precisely the same that we will ever see a tape of Michelle Obama calling out “whitey.” 

    I’ll check back in in about a year, see where you are then.  My bet:  you will not have moved.   

  • Onofre’s arm (required)

    Well then, try to hold your breath until you return. Although oxygen deprivation causes brain damage, you should have nothing to worry about.  :-D

  • Docelder

    Clinton koolaid is still the strongest koolaid of them all. Then again they did invent it. Clinton playing the saxophone and dancing around to Fleetwood Mac then hobnobbing with Hollywood was really the same thing as todays hope and change. It was all kabuki then and it still is. This administration is the same thing as the Clintons. But nobody can see that because of the Clinton koolaid.

  • AbigailAdams

    “If anything he’s been too much of a centrist, too willing to compromise to get things done.”

    Lars — What sort of “things” are you hoping he’ll get done?