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[Ohio Fraud Update] Open Thread * The Supremes May Hear Ohio Vote Case

By SusanUnPC on October 16, 2008 at 8:41 AM in ACORN, Breaking News, Ohio, Voter Fraud

Update: Here’s yet another, new Ohio vote fraud situation:

Ohio’s first-term Secretary of State, Jennifer Brunner, a Democrat who replaced the infamous Republican Ken Blackwell, has filed an “emergency appeal” with the U.S. Supreme Court. According to the news report I just listened to, when emergency appeals are filed, only one justice reviews the appeal. The justice for Ohio’s area is John Paul Stevens, considered by many to be the most liberal on the Supreme Court. (He’s also “up there” in years, and is one of the justices who conceivably may be replaced in the next eight years.) However, we shall see if he accepts the appeal, and then how he rules.

What else is going on in the world? What are you hearing about the debate last night? (Ani has a report on media reaction coming up soon.)

LoveHarrietc

If he is a liberal judge that is good for Obama. If it is a conservative judge that is good for McCain.

Andrew

I think if this goes to the Supreme Court, Obama will look like a fool trying to steal an election. It is common sense to want to make sure that all the votes are legit. By the way, the reviewing Justice is Stevens. That means it probably will go to court. Then again, maybe Stevens will see my point and throw the lady out of the courtroom.

LookingForwardTo2012

Agree.

Andrew

LOL. I can just imagine the Thomas, Scalia, Roberts, Alito and Kennedy crushing into Brunner. Maybe Ruthy will use her little frilly lace collar to dab away Brunner’s tears after the 5 of them get through blowing up her case.

NoTrollZone

Don’t disrespect Ruth Ginsberg. She’s one of the very few decent supremes. You wanna bash somebody, please have a go at the toxic waste that is Scalia and the jabbering idiot that is
Thomas.

Hopefully, yes Brunner does get her corrupt rear end handed to her. We don’t need a second Katherine Harris. One was more than enough.

I wish you had more info on whether it is a one justice call and that justice is Stevens.

There certainly is a lot of room here for
pay-back from the bench for 2000. But I don’t think that will happen. Especially since people like Ginsburg have class– which is why you don’t want to dis her.

joe

Despite the fact that you might not respect Thomas, you can’t call him a blathering idiot becuase the man never speaks. He is well known for NEVER asking questions in oral arguments and he wrotes few opinions.

Neverheless, if this goes before the whole court, they will strike down the SOS attempt to count all these votes. I predict a 6-3 or 7-2 decision. It could even go 8-1 if Stecens decides it has merit. There is just too much time left to reslove the issue without infringing on the integrit of the election.

Felizarte

Ditto. I don’t think that any of the Supreme court justices will this case as having any merit. I can’t understand why this sec. of state obviously want to run down the clock for something like this. I wonder if she thinks she’s doing Obama any favors?

Leisa

That is why we should not have activist judges on the Supreme Court!
Nicole

It’s a very liberal judge. fuck this.

Andrew

The most liberal of all the justices, well maybe except Ruth. Yep. But it sounds so outrageous I don’t even think Stevens will let it in. The Court doesn’t want to get involved in yet another election.

Nicole

I sure hope you’re right. They really shouldn’t even give it the time of day–it’s positively ridiculous–but who knows. This whole election is batshit crazy.

workingclass artist

Hmmmm…maybe he’s a closet PUMA ?

http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

That could well be. He must be concerned about Obama’s lack of experience, and he must worry that Obama never wrote an article for the Harvard law review.

ALSO: It is GOOD to have liberals on the Supreme Court. It is justices like Stevens who have done much to advance legal rights and more. I am still a Democrat, and am probably voting 90+% Democratic when my ballot arrives. Just because I find Obama unqualified and believe that he and his thugs stole the nomination from Hillary doesn’t mean that I left my basic values behind.

NoTrollZone

I second that Susan.

ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

after completing a constitutional law class I have a new view of the SCOTUS, especially after Griswald, (cite?) the emminent domain case.

The libs justices ruled it was OKAY to SEIZE a private persons land, home, to put in a strip mall or any other thing. It was in the past for roads, schools, hospitals only. They reinterpreted public good and benefit to mean ANYTHING the city council or mayor say will bring more tax revenue to the city.

That is NUTS, wrong decisions and scalia and alito and roberts voted against it, but the ‘liberal’ justices I trusted pushed it through to my HORROR.

also on 2nd amendment I am verry grateful as we see Obummer and his youth rallies and private police plans, that we were lucky enough to get the Constitutional right to bear arms upheld, I say that as a 20 yr Dem and bleedin heart lib.

And another final word it was the CONSERVATIVE Justices who gave us the protection of RVW, a conservative bench made that ruling.

It is not enough to apply our own liberla views and think that is how they will carry them out. I for one do not believe the city should be able to take my house and build another GD walmart or SRBX and say that sit he public good, but Ginsberg, Breyer, all the lib justices said it was appropriate and changed ALL our lives so that now anyone can come and take your house for any or alp reasons if city says yeah thatll get us more cash, plow down that post WWII community of single family homes!

Nah, this argument has lost all weight with me now and I encourage others to look at the rulings and think freely on this issue :0)

Marilyn

Justice Stevens is a sound Judge.
He knows that the Constitution fails if there is fraud in the vote.

If the court hears the case I believe that even the most liberal among them will see the necessity to insure the faith in the integrity of the vote.
It will be easier for them to rule on this now then to have to ajudicate the result of a tainted poll.

FOr the US this makes sense to hear the argument and rule unanimously in favor of the people and against Secretary of State Burnner

Andrew

I don’t know. The lefties might try to finagle the constitution to justify false voting. They certainly tried to stretch the commerce clause to include guns near school zones and argued that the founders were confused when writing the second amendment. If anything, this election shows how much we need our second amendment rights and how little we need the Ginsburgs and Breyers.

JozefAL

You are SO full of it. Have you actually READ the Second Amendment? Read the ACTUAL WORDS. Show me where it guarantees the right of the INDIVIDUAL to own weapons.
The TEXT reads “a well-regulated militia, being necessary”. It does NOT say, people have an unfettered right to own weapons.
If you use the “strict constructionist” argument to the Constitution (a favorite of Scalia, Roberts, Thomas), then NO ONE who is not a part of the US military has no legal right to own a gun. One *could* extend that right to members of the National Guard, but that doesn’t fall within strict constructionism. Strict constructionism argues that if it is NOT explicitly stated in the Constitution, then it’s not a guaranteed right of the people. Of course, strict constructionism has a bit of a problem when it comes to the 9th and 10th Amendments–both essentially allow the Federal government to decide what rights it has and what rights the States and people have. And when the rights of the States and people are in conflict with the Federal gov’t, guess which set of rights takes precedence? If a state wants to let 16-year olds vote, it can do so, but ONLY for state and local elections; a 16-year old will not be allowed to vote for US congressmen or Senators, much less President. The Federal government allows each state to determine how to award electoral votes and it allows each state to determine how to punish “faithless” electors. Incidentally, had the “strict constructionists” actually voted that way in the 2000 Florida case, Dubya would NOT have been declared President for several weeks at least. The Court, under the Constitution, has NO business in deciding the Presidential race. Of course, the “strict construction” argument only works when its adherents stick to it in all instances, not merely when it’s “convenient”–that becomes little more than the “judicial activism” the “constructionists” so widely deplore.
Incidentally, the NRA’s original purpose was SOLELY to promote gun safety, as it related to HUNTING. The NRA’s founders never argued for the “individual’s right to keep and bear arms”; that came only within the last 50 years.

TeakWoodKite

a well-regulated militia, being necessary”. It does NOT say, people have an unfettered right to own weapons.

Respectfully, at the time, most people thought nothing of owning a gun. It was a necessity. They could not think of NOT owning one.

This issue is a mute point, by virtue of Opinions rendered.

To have a well regulated militia, folks where required to BYO.

joe

“a well regulated militia, being necessary for the being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

Go and read the opinion DC vs. Heller. It will show you that the word “people”, as used everywhere in the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence is in reference to the individual and not the collective people. And the placement of the amendment, as #2, sandwiched inbetween two undeniably indivudual rights of speech, religion, assembly and the quartering of troops.

That is the whole point of the Constitution — you do not sacrifice the rights of the individual for the good of the collective. If you don’t like, there are pother countries for you — China and Europe for example. But that is the way the founders intended it to be, and it will be a cold day in hell when we turn over the individual rights enumerated in the Constitution to the government.

Once again, if you want to argue the point, get some edumacation.

Andrew

Doubt it. Supreme Court Justices can be divided as follows:

LIBERAL/COLLECTIVIST

Ginsburg [Crazed ACLU lawyer. Probably has a picture of Earl Warren in her office and a copy of Alinsky in her desk.]
Breyer
Souter
Stevens

MODERATE

Kennedy [He is probably the PUMA]

MODERATE CONSERVATIVE

Alito [Yes, Alito. He doesn't always go along with the "Big Three". He fills O'Conner's seat quite nicely.]

CONSERVATIVE/INDIVIDUALIST

Roberts
Thomas
Scalia

JozefAL

Um, in NO WAY, does “conservative” = “individualist”, Andrew.
Don’t forget that it was the “conservatives”, Scalia and Thomas, who voted to uphold Texas’s position in the Lawrence v Texas case. Do you REALLY believe that an “individualist” (which I take to mean someone who supports the RIGHTS of the INDIVIDUAL) would believe that the State has a right to be in your bedroom?
And Roberts, Thomas, and Scalia all largely believe that a fetus (completely dependent on the mother) should have a “right” to life, a position that has NO basis in the Founding Fathers’ own beliefs (in the late 18th Century, wives and children–both born and unborn–were mere property of the husband; abortion was rarely performed–as in “almost never”–and a woman was as likely to die while giving birth as she was to survive the birthing process).
As to your reactionary stance on the ACLU, I’d remind you that without that organization, you might find the government would have a much easier time delving into your private matters. Or maybe you’d enjoy the gov’t deciding that because a brief chat you’d had with someone 10 years ago you now merited having your phones tapped because you now posed a “threat” to national security. Maybe the fact that you simply went to the same school as some alleged terrorist and you shared a single algebra class for one year was worthy of the government’s arresting you for questioning and having all of your family and co-workers taken in for questioning. (Think that’s farfetched? Check out the reality that existed during the 1950s when McCarthy launched his “Red scare”. Hell, Lucille Ball was questioned for HER Communist “ties”. You know what those ties were? A RELATIVE of hers had BRIEFLY been–in the early 1920s!–a member of an organization with Communist ties but THAT was enough for the FBI to question Lucy’s loyalty.)

joe

The individualist argument has merit because they want the individual sovereign states to decide these issues. By extension, because the individual has more power at the lower levels of argument, the individual has a greater chance of sel-determination on these issues at the state and local levels of goverment. Therefore, conservative does equal individualist.

The conservative justices don’t want to make abortion illegal — they want a greater control for the individual to determine these cultural issues in a diverse ad respectbale fashion for the many different cultural communities throught the nation. If you want to get rid of the culture wars, make the states have more power over these issues.

WasLNbutNoBamaBotsKeepStealingMyName

Summary of debate reaction from John McCain’s website:

ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos: “I think the fact that John McCain was able to make Joe Wurzelbacher a character in this campaign, I’ll bet you we’re going to see him in campaign ads starting tomorrow, shows that, why this was his best debate so far. He was able to set the agenda on a lot of issues like taxes, especially with Joe Wurzelbacher.” (ABC News’ “Vote 08: The Final Debate,” 10/15/08)

“HUGE Moment For McCain. Slams Obama For Comparing Him To Bush. VERY Savvy. AND, He Looked Directly At Obama.”

The Washington Post’s Chris Cillizza: “HUGE moment for McCain. Slams Obama for comparing him to Bush. VERY savvy. AND, he looked directly at Obama.” (Chris Cillizza, “The Fix Twitters The Final Debate!”www.washingtonpost.com, 10/15/08)
Cillizza: “McCain with a break from Bush Administration — ‘disappointed’ with Paulson’s approach on financial crisis.” (Chris Cillizza, “The Fix Twitters The Final Debate!” http://www.washingtonpost.com, 10/15/08)

Cillizza: “McCain has done well for himself so far — kept Obama on defense.” (Chris Cillizza, “The Fix Twitters The Final Debate!” http://www.washingtonpost.com, 10/15/08)

The Politico’s Jonathan Martin: “John McCain creates an instant headline with some of his firmest language yet to distance himself from President Bush. ‘Sen. Obama, I am not President Bush,’ McCain said, in a line clearly in his pocket. ‘If you wanted to run against President Bush you should have run four years ago. I will take this country in a new direction.’” (Jonathan Martin, “Your Morning Lede (So Far)” http://www.politico.com, 10/15/08)

National Review’s Jim Geraghty: “McCain’s best line so far: ‘Senator Obama, I am not President Bush. If you wanted to run against President Bush, you should have run four years ago.’” (Jim Geraghty, “If You Wanted To Run Against President Bush, You Should Have Run Four Years Ago,” http://www.nationalreview.com, 10/15/08)

“I Think He Clearly Won It … It Was His Best Performance”

MSNBC’s Pat Buchanan: “I do believe that this was John McCain’s best campaign. I think he clearly won it on points. It was his best performance. He was intense and ideological and he’s appealing to the base, clearly.”(MSNBC’s “Post Debate Analysis,” 10/15/08)

Buchanan: “Joe the plumber gives round one to McCain on points!” (Pat Buchanan, “Buchanan And Maddow: Live Debate Commentary,” firstread.msnbc.com, 10/15/08)

Buchanan: “McCain much more aggressive and specific, and more compassionate on John Lewis, issues of ACORN and Ayer.” (Pat Buchanan, “Buchanan And Maddow: Live Debate Commentary,” firstread.msnbc.com, 10/15/08)

Los Angeles Times: “McCain again shows that he came into this debate more focused and more disciplined than in the past ones.” (Don Frederick and Kate Linthicum, “Live Blogging The Final Barack Obama And John McCain Debate,”latimesblogs.latimes.com, 10/15/08)

The Atlantic’s Marc Ambinder: “McCain’s doing well on the issues…” (Marc Ambinder, “Live Blogging The Final Debate,” The Atlantic’s “Marc Ambinder” Blog, marcambinder.theatlantic.com, 10/15/08)

Commentary’s John Podhoretz: “Good zinger from McCain; Obama mentions he wants Warren Buffett to pay more taxes and McCain says we’re talking about Joe the Plumber, not Warren Buffett.” (John Podhoretz, “Warren Buffett Vs. Joe The Plumber,” Commentary’s “Contentions” Blog, http://www.commentarymagazine.com, 10/15/08)

Commentary’s Jennifer Rubin: “McCain says sure he’s qualified but then points out his record of bad ideas. Digs at his ‘cockamamie’ idea about dividing Iraq. Maybe his best answer.” (Jennifer Rubin, “Joe Biden,” Commentary’s “Contentions” Blog, http://www.commentarymagazine.com, 10/15/08)

National Review’s Mark R. Levin: “I am impressed with McCain tonight. Obama is off his game, as they say.” (Mark R. Levin, “A Different Debate,” National Review’s “The Corner” Blog, corner.nationalreview.com, 10/15/08)

Levin: “McCain came ready tonight, he has Obama resorting to his stump speech answers and a bit unnerved, IMHO. And for the most part, he is not letting Obama get away with his endless dissembling.” (Mark R. Levin, “Ready. Set…,” National Review’s “The Corner” Blog, corner.nationalreview.com, 10/15/08)

Andrew

Finally, at least some people see the truth.
lark

Yeah thanks.
joseyJ

If only John McCain had been created by Hollywood PR and marketing strategists scripting his every move…
Obama/Britney08
JozefAL

Well, Warren Buffett has never been one to shirk his tax responsibilities. He is, perhaps, the only multi-billionaire in this country who vehemently opposed Dubya’s tax cut proposals because he didn’t think he was paying ENOUGH in taxes. (IMS, he ended up sending most of his tax “savings” to charities and foundations–which, rather ironically, would merely end up giving him even more tax breaks.)

wodiej

thanks for posting the reviews. talk radio is doom and gloom…people calling in and just giving up.

workingclass artist

STAY AWAY FROM EYEORES…BAD FOR THE PYSCHE…

OBMOROLOGUS LIBERENTER QUOD MUTARI NON POTEST!
OBAMORONS FREELY BELIEVE WHAT THEY WANT TO!

COGITO…ERGO…SUFFRAGARI McCAIN!
I THINK…THEREFORE…I VOTE McCAIN!
Andrew

Really? Why? McCain did excellently. Maybe it was just Obots pretending to be conservatives to bum McCain voters out.

Shiloh

That is exactly what is going on.

http://neverfindout.org/ McHope

Yes, just like the focus group of ‘undecided’ voters on FOX last night. If they were still undecuded before the debate, they would not have been swayed so easily as they implied they were. ‘Because Obama speaks well’ is something they already knew, how would that sway an undecided so late in the game?
Those people were already Obama supporters.
It’s all about the media, they control what information gets through. They know ahead of time that they are giving airtime to Obama supporters over McCain. Just like a courtroom, they don’t ask questions they don’t know the answers to.

Jules

If they were still undecuded before the debate, they would not have been swayed so easily as they implied they were.

That is SO TRUE!!!! We’re supposed to believe that they haven’t been able to make up their minds in the last weeks/months, but in a magic 90 minutes, they are now totally decided. What B.S.!

http://JohnMcCain.com Galt, Master Thrall of Planet Triskelion

According to the news report I just listened to, when emergency appeals are filed, only one justice reviews the appeal.

As a first step / gate keeper? I think the full court would hear the appeal if the gate keeper lets it through?

I doubt the court will intervene even with a liberal judge as gate keeper considering the flack SCOTUS took when they took the Gore/Bush election case in 2000.

It might actually help McCain if they take the case since it will rip open wounds from that contested election. Obama will have become Bush. Well he already is.

ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

yes I think the justice reviewing would submit it for a grant of certiorari sp? and if given then it would be heard…

this is just OUTRAGEOUS, Brunner needs to be RMEOVED

it si a Federal law passed that she HAS to verify registrations and she has blocked it 3 times now and spent countless taxpayer dollars trying to run our thr clock

tell Gov Strickland of OH to get her impeached or tell her to do her job!!

Strickland is a great guy, he cant be happy about this

Brunner has an ACORN employee on her advisory panel for cripes sake!

http://www.governor.ohio.gov/Assistance/ContacttheGovernor/tabid/150/Default.aspx

Phone/Fax

General Info: (614) 466-3555
Fax: (614) 466-9354

Online

Contact the Governor

Press Inquiries

Press inquiries should be directed to our press secretary, Keith Dailey. You can e-mail him at keith.dailey@governor.ohio.gov.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122411943821339043.html?mod=djemEditorialPage HD-Rider

Read this morning’s excellent article on Bill Ayers/Education at the WSJ. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122411943821339043.html?mod=djemEditorialPage

Leisa

Thanks for sharing! This was definitely worth the read and refreshing to see some honesty about Ayers as he is today.
Judy

Thanks for the link. Excellent article.

Ayres intention is not to improve the learning skills of children, but to indoctrinate them. It is his intention to use the guise of education reform to produce radicals who believe that the only solution to the inequities on our system is to destroy that system. Ayres is a very dangerous man, far more dangerous in his new role then he ever was as a 60′s bomb-building radical.
Judy L. NC

Thanks for that link…Holy Smokes! Ayers is stinkier than I thought. Our Raleigh News-Observer had a front-page story, just under the debate story, about the Ayers petition that educators were signing….that numerous professors from my area (UNC-Chapel Hill, Duke AND NC State) had signed. I’m going to try to get their email addys. and send this article to them.

http://www.newsobserver.com/print/thursday/front/story/1256945.html

p.s. Unconditional early voting started today in NC with a very heavy turnout. People are saying they’re sure we will have a record-breaking turnout on Nov. 4.

katmandu

I am not an expert on Supreme Court rules, but if one justice denies an appeal I think there is more recourse. For example, rule 22 of the Sup Ct states:

A Justice denying an application will note the denial thereon. Thereafter, unless action thereon is restricted by law to the Circuit Justice or is untimely under Rule 30.2, the party making an application, except in the case of an application for an extension of time, may renew it to any
other Justice, subject to the provisions of this Rule. Except when the denial is without prejudice, a renewed application is not favored.

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/ctrules/2007rulesofthecourt.pdf

lark

Yeah, but it is ridiculous what she is doing now. It would be the height of ridicule for a Secretary of Election to keep asking the court.
POdVet

More than likely, the case will be sent back down to the lower court for some technical reason, then bounced back to the Supreme Court in a delaying action so they don’t have to get involved until after the election.
waldenpond

All Brunner has to do is keep appealing. It will take Stevens time to make a ruling and if the Repubs can then appeal… that’s it, game over, there factually will not be enough time to verify status. Interesting precedent for states with a large number of illegal aliens if Stevens believes it is not necessary to verify the right to vote.

Andrew

YES!!!

Rasmussen daily tracking poll just released: McCain moved up one point from yesterday.

Obama now is at 50% to McCains 46%

Its closing the gap!!!

WasLNbutNoBamaBotsKeepStealingMyName

And this uptick for McCain doesn’t yet take last night’s debate into consideration.
Leisa

I have little faith in polls, but I have read elsewhere that if Obama does not lead by more than six points, he will loose…

I hope that comforts you some more Andrew.
stodghie

take into account that the pollsters have been stacking the deck with more democratic calls also. and what do we have but a race that is not a win win for obama.

http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com InsightAnalytical-GRL

The corrupt Democratic Party has to be called out…and not blindly followed anymore!!

Part 1–Independent Thinking: PARTISAN NO MORE
by Kenosha Marge

http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/independent-thinking-part-1-partisan-no-more/

It’s all about independent thinking, PUMAs!

Part 2 tomorrow…with a different twist…remember the Ty-D-Bol Man?
http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com InsightAnalytical-GRL

Hey, don’t you think that if the RNC runs some negative ads that McCain should go back to that needling humor of his early stuff??? The ARROGANCE is another aspect of this which is something that could work…now that McCain has said he ISN’T Bush, point out how Obama’s arrogance IS Bush!!
Nicole

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS. SHE IS TRYING SOO HARD TO STEAL THIS ELECTION. It’s so obvious. I just left her a red meat voicemail.

lark

This is where Palin has shown her metal. I bet the Governor of the State of Ohio can simply fire that woman and replace her.

Shiloh

I actually think Stevens knows the full court will not rule his way on this and that the publicity would not help Obama. So I think he will turn it down.

Andrew

Bring it on. Reality TV!!!
Pennsylvania goes RED!

I don’t think you should ever underestimate the power of partisanship or ideology.

Suppose Stevens is harboring a killah case of White Guilt, he may believe this is his one shot at expunging his guilt.

Just sayin’

Andrew

I know. Stevens is a creeper. I don’t know why he is still on the court. He looks like death warmed over. They probably have to check his pulse every two seconds to make sure he is still “with us.” Stevens’ “White Guilt” could probably fill a Gymnasium. Clarence Thomas probably uses him as a gopher.

Pennsylvania goes RED!

Andrew-

I saw your post about being young and concerned about the outcome of the election. The other night we were doing phone calls from local GOP, a young guy came in, turns out he was fulfilling a high school course requirement by canvassing for McCain. He turns 18 in December, so he can’t vote in this election.

I jokingly asked the GOP coordinator if we could have ACORN come in and register the kid anyway!

If you can take one thing away from this election, it’s that the MSM is not your friend. Our nation has had incidents in the past where bogus journalism has influenced public policy, going back to the days of W.R. Hearst and yellow journalism. After Watergate, the flavor of newspaper reporting changed, after all two newspaper guys had taken down a POTUS. Now the objective has evolved to MSM trying to create a POTUS.

The blogosphere is now the province of citizen journalism. Our nation was founded on a rebellion and we will not submit easily to this undisguised manipulation. I hope these words are of some comfort to you. And it will be up to you and other courageous citizens of your generation to be the keepers of the flame.

ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

this is very inspirational to ALL of us :0)

Kat Bee

Justice Stevens is actually in excellent health. He swims in the ocean regularly and plays tennis before Court sits.

Jay

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y0-_-0EHyE&eur

How can Chris Matthews do this to Obama?

Leisa

This is his once every sixth months, “time to be a real reporter”, moment…

Andrew

I can’t watch Matthews. What did he do?

workingclass artist

Chris Matthews is a blathering Albino who hurts the eyes and assaults the IQ…Limited exposure n the interests of self preservation is recommended

Pennsylvania goes RED!

and he wants to be Senator of the Keystone State – it should be great fun watching him get beatdown in the Dem primary.

waldenpond

Why doesn’t the McCain camp nor the Repubs put together all of the clips where people can’t name accomplishments together in an extended ad piece? The Paris Hilton ad mocked the celebrity meme. Mocking the ridiculous media line that O is Presidential and ready to lead is easy to mock. The humor was very effective in knocking O down in the polls.

I’m still waiting for the Repubs to kick in to gear. McCain needs to get national attention for his ads like O so he can save money running them himself.

Jules

Why doesn’t the McCain camp nor the Repubs put together all of the clips where people can’t name accomplishments together in an extended ad piece?

What a BRILLIANT idea! I’d love to see THAT.

OhioMary

Maybe he is waking up and smelling the coffee – maybe the Berg lawsuit/Indonesian adoption possibility is making liberals take a second look. If Berg succeeds and it is proven that Obama is the flawed candidate we believe he is – they are going to look pretty stupid and irresponsible for all the support they have been giving him.

Or – maybe it is their drop in ratings – I use to watch Matthews all the time – but absolutely refuse to go to that channel anymore. Most of the time they just make me sick with their one sided and sarcastic reporting.
LookingForwardTo2012

HaHaHa…trick question. Accomplishments cannot be named because he hasn’t been there long enough to accomplish anything, what with running for POTUS! That would be admitting that 1/2 of the country is contemplating a vote for a man who has never done anything for the highest job in the land.

Cheaters never win!!!
lark

I feel sorry that he couldn’t answer the question. Hillary has reached across the isle numerous times and he is running by skirting the issue of bipartisanship and simply stealing her accomplishments.

Andrew

I want the case to go to the Supreme Court. It would be more interesting then watching Obama lie. The justices are such a lively bunch and if Brunner tries to defend her cock-and-bull position, Scalia will rip into her so bad they won’t be able to identify the body.
Frani.Fla

I thought that McCain was really good, but when he was talking about Acorn, Obama had a big smerk on his face. McCain should have called on him that rigging elections is not funny and Obama donated alot of money to Acorn.Obama

hadenough

mccain did mention obama payed over $800,000 to ACORN. Sounded like he read right hear at NQ.

Marilyn

I told you I gave this site to the McCain HQ many of them are huge fans.
Jackie

I told you I gave this site to the McCain HQ many of them are huge fans.

http://bullmoosegal.blogspot.com/ bullmoosegal

Fox announced that he took the case about 30 minutes ago.

Andrew

Your serious? Did he actually take the case for the court or did he just decide to hear preliminary arguments for why the case should be heard?

Shiloh

That just means it is on his desk.

Andrew

A sane justice would have taken the document and placed it in the garbage. Voter fraud should never be condoned.

Jules

What is the preliminary argument going to be? “I know I’ve been violating the law and now that I’ve been called on it, I simply still don’t want to comply?”

If they think that not registering low income people multiple times is going to “disenfranchise voters”, what do they think is going to happen to those of us that are opposed to counting 200,000 fraudulent votes?

Will Smith

Gov. Palin campaigns in Maine
Gov. Sarah Palin speaks to supporters at a rally in Bangor, Maine.
live on CNN stream

shadow

Thanks!

Will Smith

Kenyan insiders say Obama
was part of takeover strategy
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/

http://neverfindout.org/ McHope

The general tone of the strategy was to encourage the Odinga campaign to claim to be leading in the presidential race regardless of the actual numbers and be prepared to proclaim victory even if Odinga lost.

Sound familiar?

http://www.anvp.typepad.com soldier4hillary

Good lord where did they find this chic Sherry on CNN? She just DESTROYED the Obama person in like 15 seconds or less live. They have bought out the A team. Gov Palin live going after Obama….its to early for pop corn.

Andrew

I hope Palin crushes Obama into tiny pieces for his “spread the wealth around” crap. Disgusting!!!!!!!!!
etc.

Sherry who? I missed it. I’d love to see it. Do you know her last name?
basil

what did she say?

hadenough

The “liberal media” all agree: obama is cool

The “liberal media” all agreed george bush was a guy you wanted to have a beer with. How’d that work out…
Shiloh

This is a great read:

http://www.zombietime.com/lefts_big_blunder/

It is lengthy so if you don’t have time here’s the skinny. There is a six point bias built into the polls in favor of Obama. That’s on average. The one’s that are tightening it is less. This article argues why and uses several scientific explanations. Bottom line: it is all about discouraging the opposition. Create the belief that it is over and it will be over. The image can create the reality. How Obama-like is that?

But, it isn’t working. Team Obama is very afraid. They should be ahead by more. There should not be so many undecideds. The internals look bad for whole swaths of the electorate. The Palin factor looms large. Conclusion: On election day dispirited McCain voters will trudge to the polls anyway, and their candidate will win.

Arabella Trefoil

It’s true – Obama should be ahead by a lot more. The fact that he isn’t is making team Obama nervous. Plus, the October surprise will be released in the last ten days of the campaign.

http://www.youtube.com/syc1959 steve

amazing how a group that HE [Obama] downplays is going to making this nations policies under him.
Obama is the biggest fraud ever.
Born in Kenya, adopted in Indonesia,
hides his birth certificate, relatives that were at his birth in Kenya.
Come clean Obama

Andrew

You mean “THAT ONE, SENATOR GOVERNMENT.” This is now his official title.

workingclass artist

lol…good one andy…

Mary Lou

In the immortal and slightly altered words of Steve Martin:
King Brack He’s a Crock
Born in Babylonia
Moved to Arizona
King Brack

workingclass artist

Hmmmm…I was perusing my Latin Dictionary early this morning and discovered fun puns on Barky’s name…Baronis = Dunce = Barkonis
Barcalae = Simpletone = Barkylae

PLENUS STERCORIS BARKONIS!
O’BLOCKHEAD IS FULL O’ SHIT!

tzada

We are talking about a lot of votes in Ohio being in question.

http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/31101144.html

Ohio elections chief appeals court ruling
By Associated Press

At least 200,000 newly registered voters have mismatched data, according to an initial review by Brunner’s office.

Brunner’s office said Wednesday that she would comply with the lower court’s ruling. Ortega said the office would release a statement later Thursday on why she chose to file an appeal.
Brunner has called the issue a veiled attempt at disenfranchising voters and said other checks exist to help determine eligibility.
Ohio Republicans issued a statement calling the situation a shameful mess and criticized her for initially saying she would comply with the earlier court ruling.
About 666,000 Ohioans have registered to vote since January, with many doing so before the contested Democratic presidential primary election between Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton in March.
http://elect2009.wordpress.com OMGIAMGOINGNUTS – Cindie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y0-_-0EHyE
a goodie.

barry bums a ciggie

The NY Gov. also said awhile back it that a loss for Barry in this election would mean a victory for racism. What a load of shit.

ConcernedCitizenX

This is what we get when the philosophy of Saul Alinsky is allowed to flourish. Alinsky = Obama = ACORN = “Get in your their face” = blah blah blah. Next stop – Maoist-style thuggery. One day we will all wake up in Obama’s America to find that things have changed. But instead of waving little red books, they will be little blue books with the letter O. Or at least that will be the net result once Obama has had his hands on our educational institutions and allowed his Ayers-allied education advisors to cause havok. I truly fear for America.

lark

Create chaos, impose change, feel glorious.

workingclass artist

kenya tango anyone?

http://mybluecountry.googlepages.com/whattheobamademocratsaresayingposter Linda

Amazing. So embarrassing for the Democrats …and most especial Dem’s of Ohio.

I knew I should have worried when Brunner was hiring folks as she was. Total angry control freaks from Cinci that I knew personally.
http://mybluecountry.googlepages.com/whattheobamademocratsaresayingposter Linda

Amazing. So embarrassing for the Democrats …and most especial Dem’s of Ohio.

I knew I should have worried when Brunner was hiring folks as she was. Total angry control freaks from Cinci that I knew personally.
ford

Thank You NQ! This post let’s me know I was watching the same debate as some people were. The right wing nuts hated McCain’s performance, but I thought he had BO reeling, flushed in the face(watch it again if you can BO is red faced several times) and making smirk faces that looked like a high school student explaining to their Dad how the car got into the pond.

McCain was very targeted and pinned BO down on several lies. Now we will watch the MSM pretend BO didn’t lie his ass off…but at least McCain made the connection.

The right wing nuts wanted McCain to punch BO in the face it seems.

The Supreme Court decision is not what BO wants…too much attention to his fraudulent voter campaign…

I think FOX was the WEIRDEST place last night…with Lutz scamming the viewers…watch that again and you will see that more than half of the viewers like McCain’s performance…he didn’t let ANY ONE OF THEM speak or even be identified …weird??

Is Lutz’s new squeeze a little to the left??? BTW he needs to go on WHAT NOT TO WEAR, ASAP…

http://mybluecountry.googlepages.com/whattheobamademocratsaresayingposter Linda

I’ll never forget when Luntz appeared on Real Time with Arianna as they were both PUSHING BARRY. And dipsh!t Arianna was actually repeating Luntz’s argument FOR Barry. Helllloooo?

Andrew

Luntz is disgusting. I want to reach into the TV and punch him. The dark circles under his eyes are creepy too. He should at least get some concealer. Isn’t that what they have make-up for?

lark

Lutz has accomplished to discredit himself and his research. His days are counted. After this election he will be history.

ford

Jay …thanks for the Chris Matthews tape…it should be made by the McCain campaign into a hit piece…Patterson looks to be very unqualified to the Gov. of NY.
Andrew

Obama has already planned his Victory Party: http://cbs2chicago.com/local/obama.election.night.2.841341.html

Andrew

This is disgusting!!!
Shiloh

This is just another part of the strategy of creating the illusion that it is already over.

workingclass artist

Well that mighta worked for wussie go with the flow democratz…BUT NOT TRUE PUMAS…OR REPUBLICANS…OR INDEPENDENTS WHO PUT COUNTRY FIRST
http://mybluecountry.googlepages.com/whattheobamademocratsaresayingposter Linda

YEP….just like Scary Kerry. And he did’t even have the huevos to wait for all votes to be counted before conceding.

Merry

Intimidation tactics no doubt. The underlying message being ‘We are all here to see Barky win, if he doesn’t we may go crazy’.
Judy L. NC

Coworker informs me Mac has his planned too.

NYC

Comment by Andrew | 2008-10-16 08:57:49
Finally, at least some people see the truth.

Only partially. As per The Economist:

All good stuff. But Mr McCain also made two big mistakes. Bringing up Mr Obama’s association with Bill Ayers, a former terrorist, made him look petty on a day on which the Dow Jones had lost 8% of its value and people have much bleaker issues on their minds. The second—and more serious—lay in his body language. Mr McCain let his contempt for the younger man shine through, harrumphing, grimacing, smirking and goggling his eyes whenever Mr Obama got a chance to speak. The whole performance was reminiscent of Al Gore’s sighing in his debate with George Bush in 2000, which many people think contributed to his defeat.

Mr Obama’s performance during all this was remarkable. He remained calm and unflustered. He listened respectfully to his opponent. He took every opportunity to change the subject to economics and the woes of the average American. He even turned Mr McCain’s assertion that he associated with Mr Ayers to his advantage, claiming that the people he associates with, on economic issues, are Paul Volcker and Warren Buffett. If many of his arguments were weak—he gave no sense of how he would reconcile his spending plans with America’s giant deficits—his body language was impeccable.

http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displayStory.cfm?story_id=12414271&source=features_box_main

These so-called ‘journalists’ make me sick…

tzada

That is BS. Obama had his donkey grin on full display and he was the google eyed one. Here is an example of his donkey look.

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20081014/i/r654567665.jpg?x=245&y=345&q=85&sig=77yQGl8TqQtYn5cSwzYvvQ–
Andrew

The Economist. Oh, that’s right, I’m going to get my news from some foreign magazine that recently had a cover that said something about the end of America and another cover with a panda climbing the Empire States building. Nope!!! The Economist can take its “erudite” publication and stick it.

Judy L. NC

Lynn Forester DeRothschild’s husband used to run The Economist–may still have some connection.

Mary Lou

That’s right – according to the Economist -
We paralyzed and small minded Americans can’t handle hearing the info that will help us assess whether Barack Obama has the character to be president because we are so overwhelmed by the bad economy. Same old talking point as – we can’t ask the hard questions about Bush, because we are fighting a war.
No more of this insulting manipulative bullshit.

workingclass artist

BRITS…AND OTHER EUROPEANS have a hard time understanding Americans…The smart ones admit this as they analyze the descendants of European Rebels and recalcitrant rejects…chuckle…
Why is this? Because America is not enslaved by European CLASS structures…and rebels against notions of aristocracy…
Our American culture thrives on the ethic of pull your weight workingclass common sense and a healthy allergy to Tyranny of any kind.

tzada

OT Joe Biden in play

VIDEO: Biden Takes Shot At Plumber’s Credibility…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j66LUroXUck

Joe Biden Can’t count

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq-eeWow_WU

Obama lies

Secret Service says “Kill him” allegation unfounded

SCRANTON – The agent in charge of the Secret Service field office in Scranton said allegations that someone yelled “kill him” when presidential hopeful Barack Obama’s name was mentioned during Tuesday’s Sarah Palin rally are unfounded.

The Scranton Times-Tribune first reported the alleged incident on its Web site Tuesday and then again in its print edition Wednesday. The first story, written by reporter David Singleton, appeared with allegations that while congressional candidate Chris Hackett was addressing the crowd and mentioned Oabama’s name a man in the audience shouted “kill him.”News organizations including ABC, The Associated Press, The Washington Monthly and MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann reported the claim, with most attributing the allegations to the Times-Tribune story.Agent Bill Slavoski said he was in the audience, along with an undisclosed number of additional secret service agents and other law enforcement officers and not one heard the comment.

Gee doesn’t Joe Biden have ties to Scranton?

More Ohio Voter

The Buckeye Institute, a Columbus-based think tank, today filed a state RICO action against the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) on behalf of two Warren County voters. The action filed in Warren County Court of Common Pleas alleges ACORN has engaged in a pattern of corrupt activity that amounts to organized crime. It seeks ACORN’s dissolution as a legal entity, the revocation of any licenses in Ohio, and an injunction against fraudulent voter registration and other illegal activities.
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/14/acorn-watch-rico-suit-filed-in-ohio/

barry bums a ciggie

Biden says that he doesn’t know any plumber that makes that kind of money? My plumber came over last week to look at a leak and he charged me $250. We started chatting and he said that his ‘small’ business has grown and he has to hire perhaps two or three more people to help him out. The elitist mentality is that someone who works with their hands instead of sitting in front of a computer couldn’t possibly hit that kind of income bracket. fools.

tzada

http://www.barackbook.com/Photos/Large/JoeBiden.jpg
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/15/biden-routes-campaign-cash-to-family-their-firms/

Left this out of Joe Biden’s Diary
lark

McCain was able to showcase O as a real habitual liar.

I loved when he lied about his health care plan fines for small business and McCain taken aback when he said ‘zero’ for fines to small businesses.

Obama is such a liar. McCain almost dropped to the floor. I know McCain could not think fast enough on his chair to counter that as good as he would wanted.

Zero fines for those small businesses who do not enroll their employees in a mandatory health care plan that promotes ‘universal’ health care.

There are so many lies in that answer is unreal.

First it cancel universality. That’s exactly what Hillary said he would do. He would not make it universal.

If universality is canceled then you do not get premium reductions. Period. Because the system remains a healthy group base system.

Zero fines will simply cancel the objective and the promise of health care is rendered null and void. Everything else after that is hogwash.

Employers with zero fines will obviously choose not to enroll their employees. Is that simple.

The issue of tax credits that would apply to enrollments has not been explained at all. I suppose is another hoax.

But if a 50 of the expense is refunded in a tax credit, then the cost would have to be offset by a huge tax increase or else it would be a prohibitive ‘entitlement.’ And it would be an entitlement since he said it would work as a ‘right.’

And he ranted for entitlement reductions a few minutes before.

I don’t think it would pass the court system for some business to be fines and others not and for some business to get credits and not others. He knows that and that’s why he is ‘lying.’
ConcernedCitizenX

Hooray for “Joe the Plumber”!!! He hits the nail on the head and skewers Obama!!!:

Joe Wurzelbacher:

“Redistributing the wealth, as far as my hard work, that upsets me,” he said. “That’s not right. That’s not American.”

workingclass artist

Americans believe in a FAIR DEAL…BUT NOT HANDOUTS
Work your way up and out…

lark

Obama beat Hillary by saying that his health care plan was going to be ‘universal.’

Then he said that small businesses would be fined ‘zero.’

How did Hillary feel last night when she heard that sitting in that audience?

She has negotiated with Obama on this issue after she withdrew from the race and had O elected by acclamation. Does she feel betrayed by him, one more time? How many times is O going to betray Hillary? And when he betrays Hillary, doesn’t he betrays all of us? Oblahblah is a traitor.
http://elect2009.wordpress.com OMGIAMGOINGNUTS – Cindie

OFF TOPIC:
But worth a lookski
http://mediamatters.org/items/200810140015?f=h_latest
(check out the radio show)

Shiloh

Are these people just spinning or do they really not understand that what’s on the website is not a birth certificate and doesn’t have nearly the information a birth certificate must have?

I marvel that they aren’t just arguing that no, Obama does not have to prove his eligibility, and instead are arguing that he already has. Obviously the judge in the Berg case doesn’t agree with you or he would have dismissed the case long ago.

jbjd

Please, every time you try to explain to someone that the so-called ‘birth certificate BO finally posted on his “Fight the Smears” web site to address the cacophony of accusations he is not a natural born citizen and, therefore, is ineligible for POTUS; link this web site. Enough opinion; let Obama’s people argue facts. (They cannot.)
http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl

Then, see if you can get them to consider why BO posted this document in the first place; and whether this proves what he intended?

Lindsy

Repubs need to quit whining and start working. Nothing should scare them more of 4 years with Obama/Reid/Pelosi in control of everything.

We’ll be lucky to keep any of our money in the year 2012.

I hope McCain has something good planned for after Obama’s prime time commercial on the 29th. I could see him pulling something that the GOP isn’t ready for and they would have less then one week to react.

barry bums a ciggie

As Romney puts it: The Gang of Three.

He gave me a visual of the Gang of Four in China. Yikes. Not too far from the truth.

NYC

Comment by Andrew | 2008-10-16 09:52:52
The Economist. Oh, that’s right, I’m going to get my news from some foreign magazine…Nope!!! The Economist can take its “erudite” publication and stick it.

I agree. I came across this article when opening the Yahoo page to check my email. I have to admit that I visit foreign websites though, because I want to know what’s going on in the world. You will be surprised of all of the garbage they are writing these days about our Elections. See what I found the other day. I don’t think I will be visiting Venice in the near future, even that I have good friends there: http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=25jhBVaiQw0
Shiloh

The entire Democratic strategy in 2008 revolves around the unproven theory that polls do create reality. Otherwise, there would be no point in continuously striving to inflate Obama’s perceived public support.

Lindsy

Shiloh:

Do you know if McCain’s internals are showing them something in Maine? Palin is in Maine today and that seems odd- that is a pretty solid blue state.

Shiloh

I don’t know why they have her there but they aren’t fools, they see something.
HC

Maine has split delegates. McCain will probably take 1 of them already, if he can get another it would be worth the trip.

Dr Felter

An intelligent article all NQ readers will appreciate:

http://papundits.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/republican-subplot/

Take pride in all the hard work put into NQ by writers and commentators!

Note the 2nd comment (the writer has reached the point where he believes Mac’s info until disproven – and disbelieves SOB’s info until proven)

Do not worry about the polls. The only – marginally- interesting polls as a daily snapshot of potentially current trends are the trackers (Zogby, Gallup, Rasmussen and IBD/TIPP).The race continues to tighten.
My personal view – having not been wrong the last 14 years on any UK, French or US election – is a strong win for McCain. Why? Because I expect exceptionally high turnout from conservatives, independents, Hill/New Dems and in particular 45+ old voters.

etc.

From your mouth to God’s ears, Dr. Felter.

Lindsy

ACORN strikes in Houston:

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/politics&id=6443815
Soldier of Christ

Breaking News—-The trolls are out using strong arms!

Had a guy come to my home office door- a tall half hispanic black guy-He looked like a Boxer in a boxing ring, but on the chunky side. He started asking me questions concerning a lost dog- as if I was going to fall for this crap. First, I live in a single homes for retirees and nobody is allowed to have children under the age of 18 living in the area. The guy said he just moved in with his wife and children in the neighborhood and lost his dog. That was the first mistake of the conversation. No children are allowed in my neighborhood. I was polite- but, he kept looking around checking out my home office from the open door. I knew he was not here to just look for his puppy- one of the worst excuses. Since I do have a nice personality I rapped with him on my porch about his “missing” dog. I observe him and knew that he was hired by someone to intimate me. Even though he doing his best to talk about his little lost dog (if you saw this guy- you know he would have a pitbull-not a toy poodle as he stated) but, I managed to smile and talk to him about the love of things concerning animals. I started talking to him about kindness and love -things that normally neighbors talks about and he became relaxed. I managed to get him to reveal who he was- he said he worked as a internal security man and did security surviellance at the Mall around ten miles from me. I purposely ask him for his phone to look at his puppy’s picture(which he had tried to show me in the beginning of our encounter)- of course this was to show him that I wasn’t scare to give him my fingerprints. Which I did, for I have nothing to hide for being a outspoken critic of Obama. What he didn’t know was that I took a piece of small paper and put it in my hands to get his fingerprints when he shook my hand. He was nice but nervous- but at the end he stated to me, “It looks like you might need a big man to protect you – you don’t know what might happen to you in the future.” And, he smile and put his hands up to show his strength while he walked to his car. He didn’t say this harshly as if it was to be taken as a joke… Nice man….but….I knew who he was…and why he has come to intimate me in a nice way…….So, I say to the NEW Party…..even if Obama becomes the President of the United States…I will continue to be your critic…your New Party’s disbursement of strong arms does not scare me….and that fingerprints that I gather shows you that we are aware of the socialist tactics that the NEW Party is doing just to elect you……by the way….while I looked at his phone showing his precious little phoney puppy story…..I managed to get his last four numbers 9430 on his cell……that is how fast my brain works when it comes to “awareness”.

Thought I share this true story that took place 20 minutes ago at my house. So, to them….I just disbursed the fingerprints to a friend….try to intimate me again.. Now everybody knows on this blog ! I can’t prove it….but I will keep these fingerprints just in case of any more encounters with your strong arms.
.
My! How our beautiful land is becoming like Putin’s country………speak out….and they try to poison you or strong arm you………how sad!

By way–is it because I have Christ at the end of my blog name that bothers you?

AnnieO

What makes you think that encounter has to do with politics? I would contact the police.
Sometimes a criminal will engage you in conversation in the front yard while someone enters your back door to rob you. Make sure nothing is missing.
typewriterstreaming

That’s horrible. I think Annie O is right though. Did you check your home? Be careful out there. Just not right who ever it was.
Jackie

I am so sorry that you had to deal with that jerk. I was called twice this morning and the people on the phone called me horrible names for supporting Sarah Palin.

F*** Them. I went to lunch with my McCain T-shirt just to spite them.

A new voter a day keeps Obama away.

McCain will be in Northern Virginia this Saturday. Come on out and show the world we love Mac. Or that we HATE Ohblahblah
Jules

That doesn’t sound good at all! If someone was trying to look in my house and saying stuff like ‘you don’t know what might happen to you in the future’ I would be freaking out. Maybe he was there for something else but changed his mind. You never know. Please be careful!

Also, I would like to take the opportunity to tell everyone, if you have a funny feeling about anything or anyone PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO IT. It is instinct and can save your life.

http://dianej.wordpress.com DianeJ

Write Brunner a short respectful not and tell her what you think.

Email questions@jenniferbrunner.com to ask general questions regarding Jennifer Brunner or her campaign.

Contact us by phone
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barry bums a ciggie

Watching this video clip, I don’t know what to think or say. Jesus, this is America and after election 2000, we still don’t have anything right!! If the GE election can be manipulated by the criminally minded, what else can?
Lindsy

I’m trying to make sense of the RCP numbers. They show Obama trouncing McCain in every single swing state. 14 points in PA, 12 in MI, 5 in OH. Why does there numbers differ so much from Gallup and Zogby?

Why is McCain even bothering in PA if he is down by 14 points?

fif

Their internals must show otherwise. Gov. Rendell said PA was still in play this week too. Zogby was more reliable in the last election cycle. It seems like they are all guessing this time around with increased registrations, cross-over votes, likely vs. registered, and weighting the polls according to their own agendas. I don’t think anyone really knows what’s going to happen. Don’t forget: Kerry was up 51 to 40 at this time, and in all the battleground states. Nov. 4th is all that counts.
fif

Their internals must show otherwise. Gov. Rendell said PA was still in play this week too. Zogby was more reliable in the last election cycle. It seems like they are all guessing this time around with increased registrations, cross-over votes, likely vs. registered, and weighting the polls according to their own agendas. I don’t think anyone really knows what’s going to happen. Don’t forget: Kerry was up 51 to 40 at this time, and in all the battleground states. Nov. 4th is all that counts.

lisa in va

I just checked wiki on Stevens and he seems fairly moderate, toward conservative to me. I think he’ll rule fairly, if he agrees to hear the case at all.
Susan

This whole Acorn thing is a non-issue and a waste of time. If you want to get Repulicans voted in focus on more important isssues.

Just because some lazy voter registration person puts in a bunch of false names does not mean voter fraud. You actully need to have someone vote under those false names. No one can vote under those false names because they are false names and they would have zero ID to match those false names.

Just because a bunch of false names were registered does not mean that a bunch of false or fraudulent votes were cast….

Wasting your time and effort…..

typewriterstreaming

Except of course for the now known Vote From Home absentee ballots sent to individuals who do not reside in the state. Not much of anyone thinks these pro Obama activists were going to use those ballots for wall paper. Tip of the berg.
fif

There are many places that do not require picture id’s. If someone is provided forged documents, and the names were recorded (as has been reported), then people can be sent to different locales to vote repeatedly. You don’t think this is possible? I do.

Susan

they still need to have id for the name on the roll… where are they going to get the id for the supposive 1,000s of made up names on the rolls…

when McCain mentioned Acorn the Republican response on the audience meter on the CNBC and CNN debate meters went down with the independents and republicans on the meter… this means that not only do independents not like this issue, but also many republicans…

it is a reason McCain is losing… this and Ayers turns people off… it is damaging…

make the case on jobs, taxes, spending or whatever… not these BS issues… independents don’t care about this stuff….

you guys are damaging the party by focusing on this garbage…

typewriterstreaming

This is bullshit and this woman needs to be deported. Maybe she would like to work on the Chinese elections.
fif

I have a question: if Brunner filed an emergency appeal, does that mean she is still bound to follow through on the other court’s order to provide them with an oversight system by the end of the week to check the registrations, or does it delay it? This is crucial, because if she can just run out the clock, those registrations will not be checked in time. Reportedly, she is holding back 200,000 questionable registrations! Bush only won Ohio by approximately 120-140,000 votes (I don’t have the figure with me now).
IronMan

Pro-Obama Ohio Secretary of State Refuses to Stop Voter Fraud

To be filed under “suspicions confirmed,” patently partisan-for-Obama supporter Democrat Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer “I-never-met-an-ACORN-worker-I-didn’t-like” Brunner has stomped her feet and decided that she should not be required to do her job; that of protecting Ohio voters from election fraud. She has also decided that she will elicit help from the US Supreme Court in upholding her desire. There are over 200,000 already identified flawed and fraudulent new registrations, which Brunner has not only personally refused to check but, has advised local registrars that they may not check, either. These are voter registrations that Brunner has admitted she has been “hiding” from local election boards. And whence did these registrations come? You got it—ACORN!

Note: With this admission, one can only surmise that the 200,000 registrations were given to Brunner directly by ACORN. Brunner and Obama’s other adherents are now actively working to subvert the US democracy. Of course ACORN is also the group that—despite his attempts to hoodwink the public into believing otherwise—Democrat presidential candidate Obama has worked with and heavily funded for years and the group that is currently under federal investigation for voter fraud in between 12-15 states.

Read more here:

http://www.webcommentary.com/asp/ShowArticle.asp?id=zieves&date=081016

Ohio Secretary of State Brunner is violating the law!

fif

IronMan: where have you been? Haven’t seen you at Riverdaughter in a while!

IronMan

Officials: FBI investigates ACORN for voter fraud

Officials say activist group ACORN under FBI scrutiny for possible voter registration fraud

LARA JAKES JORDAN
AP News

Oct 16, 2008 12:25 EST

The FBI is investigating whether the community activist group ACORN helped foster voter registration fraud around the nation before the presidential election.

A senior law enforcement official confirmed the investigation to The Associated Press on Thursday. A second senior law enforcement official says the FBI was looking at results of recent raids on ACORN offices in several states for any evidence of a coordinated national scam.

The FBI should question Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner as well. She’s part of the problem!
Objective Analysis

Gallup Shock: Obama 47% to McCain 45% (likely registered voters) someone did well last night even though not a lot of people watched. (drudge report)

PUMA 2008!
MelvinXH

Hi just off subject .do anyone introduce what is a good company provide good identity theft protection out there ?
SoundJohn

Hey! Thanx for this beautiful place of the Inet!!
Shiloh

Your insane. You think Obama will win. You don’t see it.
Shiloh

You’re insane. You think Obama will win. You don’t see it.