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TGIF * Mid-day Open Thread [Update]

By SusanUnPC on October 17, 2008 at 12:20 PM in Ohio, Open Thread

What is going on, besides the Supreme Court helping to decide another presidential election?

I haven’t had a chance to read stories on the Supreme Court response to the Ohio Secretary of State’s appeal. But I’ll bet she knew she was safe, all along, because a liberal Supreme Court justice would have the final say.

It boggles my mind that the Ohio Secretary of State would be unwilling to verify the identities of hundreds of thousands of new voters.

I also heard last night that — according to one report I heard — she turned OFF the connections to verify their Social Security and driver’s license numbers. What in hell is this about?

Update: Here’s a statement from McCain’s campaign manager:

“Today’s decision by the United States Supreme Court does not address violations of the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) by Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner. Rather, the Court ruled that Congress had likely not authorized private individuals or political parties to bring suit under the section of HAVA requiring voter registration verification through data-matching. It remains our belief that American citizens should be guaranteed that their legitimate votes are not wiped away by illegally cast ballots. What is no longer in question is the partisan nature of Jennifer Brunner’s efforts to minimize the level of fairness and transparency in this election.”

  • benny

    do you wonder what senator obama is reading??? check out this link….its crazy…
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/postamerican.asp

    • Leisa
      • irish1139

        Thanks Will for your input. You are very perceptive and an honest man.

      • http://msnGodhelpusall Lee M

        Thank you, Will. I also approve your message. I hope lots of people see your video because you do a better job of spreading the truth than any of the MSM bunch. With people like you out there I don’t see how Obama’s socialistic views are going to get him very many votes. That’s why the Obamabots on the internet AND the ones in the media have their noses out of joint. They know the “ONE” has let slip one of the things he has planned for America, and they know that the majority of Americans want no part of socialism. This is going to cost him votes.

      • Judy L. NC

        I also approve your message, Will.

      • Seattle Moss

        Way to go Will!!!

      • jrterrier

        a different Joe the Plumber, this one from Tennessee puts it best:

        “I’d just feel more comfortable, confident and safe with McCain,” the plumber said. “McCain’s been there. Obama’s just not that experienced.”

        Shanks likened the decision to a homeowner in need of a plumber – would you hire the guy who just got his trade license, he asked, or a seasoned professional?”

        http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/oct/16/knoxvilles-joe-plumber-doubts-obama-too/

  • educatedwhitewoman

    I heard one spokesperson state that the SC decided this issue on a narrow technical question and that it could still go back to the State Court where Republicans could still challenge it – anyone have more information on this?

    • AnninCA

      I don’t think so. The Supreme Court has shot down suit after suit regarding election process. It’s now frankly nothing more than a pro forma deal, probably designed to gain publicity as much as anything.

      They will not interfere with states on election process. Period.

      • Clara Barton

        Did the SC not interfere with the state process in Florida? The one that shot down Gore and installed GWB?

        • AnninCA

          Opposite. They refused to get involved.

        • sproutingly

          YES.
          Florida Supreme Corut Opinion on Remand:

          The United States Supreme Court on the first day of the recount, i.e.,
          December 9, stayed the recount and at 10 p.m., December 12, ruled that additional guidelines were required. The Court further held that December 12 was a mandatory deadline under the Florida Election Code and that any recount extending beyond that date was violative of Florida law, thus foreclosing the possibility of a recount.9

          US Supreme Court Justice Souter opinion 12/12/00:

          JUSTICE SOUTER, with whom JUSTICE BREYER joins and
          with whom JUSTICE STEVENS and JUSTICE GINSBURG join
          with regard to all but Part C, dissenting.
          The Court should not have reviewed either Bush v.
          Palm Beach County Canvassing Bd., ante, p. ___ (per
          curiam), or this case, and should not have stopped Flor-
          ida’s attempt to recount all undervote ballots, see ante at
          ___, by issuing a stay of the Florida Supreme Court’s
          orders during the period of this review, see Bush v. Gore,
          post at ____ (slip op., at 1). If this Court had allowed the
          State to follow the course indicated by the opinions of its
          own Supreme Court, it is entirely possible that there
          would ultimately have been no issue requiring our review,
          and political tension could have worked itself out in the
          Congress following the procedure provided in 3 U. S. C.
          §15. The case being before us, however, its resolution by
          the majority is another erroneous decision.

        • AnninCA

          I never bought into that meme. I am convinced it was the “Bradley Effect” about war.

          The entire argument was based on false exit polls.

          The truth, in my opinion, was that people voted for Bush but didn’t want to say it.

          Joe, the Plumber, has the right answer.

          That’s for me to know and for you to guess.

          I’m convinced that America was reluctant to vote in a change in the midst of a war.

          That’s the whole story.

          They didn’t like it. But they felt unpatriotic voting for Kerry.

          So they “split” it. They voted for Bush, and then lied to exit pollsters.

      • drkate

        Ok. so now McCain needs to be prepared to challenge the outcome in Ohio especially if the margin is anywhere near the number of acorn registered votes. Those registrations need to be sealed right now–protective order–to permit examination after the election. i’d move on that immediately.

      • http://msnGodhelpusall Lee M

        This is a delaying tactic by Jennifer Brunner to make sure the early votes slip by before she is stopped.

        • McHope

          Same strategy in the Berg case.

        • BettsAZ

          200,000 questionable votes, the ones that “don’t match up with addresses,etc” are now going to allow Obama to steal Ohio???
          HOW DO WE STOP THE F**KING INSANITY???

    • Clara Barton

      In a matter of a few days, it won’t matter which court gets this decision. They’re running out the clock on this one and ensuring days or weeks of expensive and divisive litigation. The end result is another election where people trust the system even less. Why do we bother to campaign, volunteer or even vote when the system is fixed from the start? Money that could provide food, healthcare or mortgage relief to millions has been wasted on this sham of an election.

    • jrterrier

      It was decided on a technical point — that the Republican party does not have standing to bring suit. Possibly no one else has standing to bring suit under this statute. There is a long line of Supreme Court cases that says that when Congress passes a statute, it does not necessarily mean that a private citizen can file a suit challenging the way that statute is implemented unless Congress creates the right to bring suit or unless the person can claim some other violation for which there is a right to file suit.

      That is what the Court states in the next to last sentence of the opinion and that is holding of the two cited cases.

      In vacating the TRO (temporary restraining order entered by the district judge and upheld by the 6th Circuit en banc), the per curiam opinion of the Supreme Court states:

      “We express no opinion on the question whether HAVA is being properly implemented. Respondents,however, are not sufficiently likely to prevail on the ques-
      tion whether Congress has authorized the District Court to enforce Section 303 in an action brought by a private litigant to justify the issuance of a TRO. See Gonzaga Univ. v. Doe, 536 U. S. 273, 283 (2002); Alexander v. Sandoval, 532 U. S. 275, 286 (2001). We therefore grant the application for a stay and vacate the TRO.

      I don’t know if someone else has standing. Maybe the Help America Vote Act of 2002, the statute the GOP used to challenge the Secy of State has a provision that gives someone else — an Ohio voter or a County Commissioner — the right to bring a suit. But unless that’s the case, it is likely difficult for someoone else to get the courts to act.

      here’s the text of the Supreme Cour “per curiam” — no single justice signed the Supreme Court opinion. http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/08pdf/08A332.pdf

  • AnninCA

    If she turned off the mechanism, then, I’d say she just killed her career. I’d question that, Susan.

    I personally am not nearly so worried as many readers. Registration fraud is nothing new. I do believe ACORN affected caucuses, but caucuses are subject to easy fraud.

    The guy who registered 72 times for cigs and beer isn’t going to run around voting 72 times.

    Brunner should know, anyway, that voter confidence in the process is a huge matter of perception more than even reality.

    I presume she’ll be doing some explaining to the public as to what safeguards are in place, how they work, etc.

    • typewriterstreaming

      But people in Ohio used the vote and register on the same day option – so how are they going to verify people like the Voteathome frauds? Those votes are in? How do we know the selfish idiot who registered 72 times didn’t cast an early ballot?

      • Zee

        72 times?

        And risk imprisonment? Get real.

        • McHope

          Not 72 times, any amount larger than ONE time.

      • AnninCA

        I’m not sure how Ohio does it. In CA, if you’re not on the voter list pre-printed on election day, you have to vote by provisional ballot.

        Those ballots are then counted separately after they verify the authenticity.

        So it’s a manual labor kind of deal.

      • SnarlingCur

        Could the FBI investigation help?

      • Boxer Mum 06

        I heard on the news this morning there was an American college student in Ohio. He signed up and voted on the same day – and now is in England studying. He HAS NEVER LIVED IN OHIO!!!!!! They bused these people in to vote in Ohio and disappear.. doesn’t this sound a bit like the caucus fraud?

        • barry bums a ciggie

          In NM news yesterday, the police raided a house and found 7 voting ballots of real voters, their identity stolen. The police were saying that these people may show up at the polls and realize that they have already voted or not able to vote. There was another news bit on Fox that said the police raided a boarding house and found out of towners staying there to register and vote early. These folks would then leave and go back to their home states after committing their fraudulent votes. Odingobama’s America is out in full force.

        • BettsAZ

          This guy listed as his address the same address that is said to have been used by lots of other “voters”.

    • Zee

      “I personally am not nearly so worried as many readers. Registration fraud is nothing new. I do believe ACORN affected caucuses, but caucuses are subject to easy fraud.

      The guy who registered 72 times for cigs and beer isn’t going to run around voting 72 times.”

      Finally, a sane voice amidst the hysteria.

      • tommyo77

        #1 you don’t know how many times he is going to vote
        #2 Any times more than once is too much
        #3 If this isnt an attempt to illegally influence the election why would you bother to register someone 72 times.
        #4 illegal voter registration is illegal, why would you defend it.

        • Clara Barton

          What is the penalty for voting illegally like this Oxford University student did? Once they actually locate him, could he be knee deep in macacca? I don’t feel the least bit sorry for him and hope he and others get what they deserve. Big time examples should be made of their decisions to follow The Master.

        • AnninCA

          I don’t defend it. ACORN should be prosecuted for registration fraud. I’ve repeatedly posted that.

      • Newly Independent

        I’m not as worried about Ohio either anymore.

        Only about 28,466 people actually voted there during the early registration & voting period two weeks ago. Out of 8.2 million newly registered voters.

        McCain supporters – get to the polls on November 4th. In DROVES. To counteract the possible cheating from the Obama people.

      • Ann Arbor for Palin

        Zee,

        Voting fraud is nothing new but never as massive as what ACORN has been doing for Obama. He defeated Hillary by voting fraud. He is using the same fraud to steal the election.

  • Touchet

    This and the fact that they are sending absentee ballots to felons in prison tells me that the elections are completely set up now. sure they count your votes and then come up with another fradulent one to cacel it.

    But, atlas, what choice do I have, I will go out and vote any way. I feel like a sucker.

    • Zee

      And what is your problem with that if it complies with state law?

      Hey, if they are in prison and vote absentee I guess they won’t be showing up at the polls to vote twice, huh?

      The people registering the felons in prison have to go through the state government AND the prison system. So don’t worry your hysterical head over it as if it’s illegal. It’s not fraudulent if it complies with state law. Sheesh. Has there been a run on clues?

      • McHope

        Shouldn’t you be picking up your check from ACORN?

        If you are taking the day off from garnering illegal registrations, by all means, please stay longer and keep telling us how you are in favor of voter fraud.

        Small clue- they are ILLEGAL registrations. ILLEGAL means not complying with state laws.

        • AnninCA

          No, Zee is right. Not all states have laws against felons or prisoners voting.

          I personally abhor those laws.

          • McHope

            Is there any isuue on which you don’t take both sides?

            With the exceptions of Maine, Vermont and Massachusetts, the remaining 46 states and the District of Columbia prohibit inmates serving felony convictions from voting in any public elections. Help any? However this is wholly beside the point.

            We already know there are many, many illegal registrations AND VOTES cast directly caused by ACORN,.

            It really strains credibility to argue FOR voter fraud or illegal registrations. Period.

            • AnninCA

              Sorry you disagree.

              My position is really pretty simple. I think the far-right, law and order crowd, has put far too many people into prison. It’s become like Russia.

              We have more people imprisoned than Russia.

              The conditions are unacceptable, too. We aren’t supporting the prison systems we have flooded.

              I think the inmates have the right to vote, speak out, and it’s a legitimate, albeit unpopular, social issue.

              I am NOT a far-right winger, obviously.

              I AM an “old-fashioned” liberal.

              I HAPPEN to agree with a Republican this year, who is MCCain.

              Now, if you prefer I go away, I’ll do that.

              But I’ll also choose to decide that your party isn’t ready for moderate input.

              I’ll also take my vote with me.

              Your choice.

              I suggest you make it.

      • cat

        piss off zee, you are an annoying troll

        • NoTrollZone

          so is anninca. they both need to seriously f-off.

          • WildChild

            This is becoming a republican website.

            Which is ironic since this started out as a website for former Hillary supporters and the republicans have looked at Hillary as the scum of the earth ever since she stepped out of the traditional first lady roll of redecorating and cookie baking and looking pretty for the camera. LOL it’s a shame too. This country needed a home where the centrists could roam.

            • Seattle Moss

              Maybe times have changed.
              I was considered a moderate democrat and my brother used to call me an elitist

              Now I’m hard core unabashed republican because saving the Republic is more important than anything else..

              • WildChild

                Times haven’t changed. Technology may advance giving the illusion of changing times but the root of what is man, remains constant.

              • BettsAZ

                Me too…except that I’m a hard core unabashed Independent! ;)

            • AnninCA

              Isn’t that the truth? But I think Bill C’s speech to the governors was profound.

              We must stop the polarization and start listening.

              I did so. I’m pro-choice. But I finally listened. I’m OK with the abortion issue, trust that a compromise is good for all of us, and ready.

              I do NOT agree with the far-right loathing of allowing former felons to vote. They served their time. They are citizens again. I do NOT agree they should be stripped of that citizen right.

              We can’t “compromise” every issue. We need to start thinking in terms of unity.

              That means……for the greater good…..and accept it when YOUR best idea isn’t accepted by everyone.

              I’m rather done with the whole fighting stance.

              • WildChild

                But government of the people is an adversarial system and it is so because we the people are adversarial. We love competition. It energizes us. It gives us something to fight for, which gives us something to live for. What you are suggesting is above the fray. But the fray is where all the action is.

      • tommyo77

        One vote is a violation of law for a felon in prison. As far as I know the only felons that are allowed to vote in any state are felons that completed their sentence. If you are still currently in prison I don’t think you would qualify.

        Also what makes you think the prison system is screening the registrations? That’s just stupid. If you send a form to a prisoner most likely it is not inspected by the prison system, if the prisoner sends it back most likely it isnt inspected by the prison system and even if it is they arent going to stop it, it’s not their job. It doesnt violate federal law until you actually turn it in.

        Ignorant troll…

      • Ann Arbor for Palin

        Zee,

        You have too many IFs and the IFs are the problematic parts. You are either an Obama’s soldier or an idiot.

  • typewriterstreaming

    Broomhilda definitely studied Katherine Harris. They have the same lip movements, head movements, eye ball movements. She clearly came from the same screw the election mannequin factory.

  • Mandelay

    I’ve seen a report that Pennsylvania’s GOP is suing ACORN and the state of Pennsylvania over similar issues. Also heard on Fox that the Supreme Court’s decision regarding Ohio might still bounce back to that state’s court as the SC ruling did not address the issue of Ohio not meeting its responsibility under Federal law. If lawsuits start erupting in various states, the courts will be busy. On another note, despite the clear evidence that the Dems are responsible for not nipping the sub-prime disaster in the bud during the last two years, they are somehow reaping the rewards of votes from people who are hurting because of the Dem inaction. Very sad illustration of basic marketing principles. When people are convinced that the product (Obama, Dodd, Frank et al) is good for them, in spite of so much evidence to the contrary, you know you’re witnessing masterful marketing. Ah yes .. “Winston tastes good like a cigarette should…” Everybody sing! Happy Friday, Susan and thank you for all you do!

    • typewriterstreaming

      Democrat Ed Rendell is suing ACORN. gee. Hell froze over.

      • AnninCA

        I’m telling you guys. It’s costing states a fortune!

        After the primaries, LA county registrar workers reported that they were still ferreting out false registrations of family dogs, etc., 4 months later!

        We can’t afford that.

        Acord SHOULD be sued. They don’t have any business surviving this debacle.

      • Jackarooty

        Big Ed has always been an ardent supporter of HRC. Personally I think he’s a closet PUMA. I’m sure that he’d like to see Barky lose the election and have HRC run in 2012.

  • Patrick

    The most important thing to focus on is that, regardless of what we’ve been told and sold, these polls are TIGHTENING! They remained basically static today (McCain picked up two in Battleground), AP came out with a great new one that had Barky only up by two and only at 44.

    The race is ON ON ON and it is important to maintain a positive outlook on this thing. Look, I live in Pa. and regardless of what the polls are ‘saying’, I really feel that McCain is going to win this state.

    Today’s status quo on the main tracking polls indicates to me that the debate will probably be a ‘short term wash’ and that is BAAAAAD for Obama. Because the seeds that McCain planted in that debate were for long term (last three weeks) fruition. Have faith. This game is not even close to over and if you look closely at the main trackings…notice the trend over the last six days or so….

    Take care,
    Patrick

    • AnninCA

      I’m cheered up, because McCain finally got a hook. Obama is slippery.

      His remark to Joe the Plumber spells it out for regular people.

      NOW they will think. It’s one thing to like the idea of taxing Warren Buffet for more. (I agree with that, myself.) It’s quite another to tax Joe.

      The name of the game was to change the topic. McCain did exactly that.

      He found a soft spot. He went after it.

      And Joe is, amazingly enough to the “election God,” cooperating.

      He’s on TV all over the place. And he’s about as good as Palin is at stating the case in real terms.

      • Arabella Trefoil

        Totally correct!

      • Zee

        Anyone see Obama totally mocking Joe the plumber and his crowd laughing it up over the idea of a plumber making “a quarter million a year?”

        What an elitist jerk Mr. Self-declared “Uniter” is:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSHqxosjyLY&NR=1

    • http://www.stillstacy.com Stacy The Republican

      Don’t forget the AOL straw poll.

      http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/10/10/aol-straw-poll-oct-10-17/

      As of today it shows BO only winning Nebraska and it’s whopping 8 electoral votes. I do not believe this poll to be entirely accurate, but it has shown McCain the clear winner all along. One needs to keep in mind that in both 2000 and 2004, this straw poll was the most accurate of all the polls.

      Two pollsters have already admitted that they poll more democrats than they do independents or republicans.

      • Annie Oakley

        Which goes directly to the ACORN story about padding registrations with fake voters. The pollsters use this supposed groundswell of new Democratic voters as their excuse to skew the polls with 6% more Dems, making Obama look like he’s pulling away, which causes some people to back him because it’s human nature to want to be on the winning side.

        So even if a single fake voter never votes, they’re already playing a role in the election via the pollsters.

    • cat

      Thank heavens, Patrick is here.

      • Patrick

        :)

        Soooo frighteningly busy at work! Plus I’ve been taking turns down at our local McCain/Palin head quarters making calls over lunch!

        Be of good cheer all…it’s still an uphill climb but I said to a close friend today…

        “I feel something.”

        “Something is happening underneath all this and I am not afraid. I believe….”

        She looked at me oddly and said…

        “Believe what?”

        “I believe in my country, I believe that Americans can think for themselves…and they will…and we’ll be okay on Nov. 5…”

        I hope I’m right but I feel something bubbling deep underneath the surface…that America is waking up from the mantra of “I’ll buy your vote w/ a fake tax cut” and “George Bush Bad!”.

        Wide Awake In America…maybe…maybe afterall!

        Take care,
        Patrick

        • http://www.stillstacy.com Stacy The Republican

          I sure as hell hope so. November 5th is my 40th birthday, and it would be disastrous if I have to practicing the words “President Obama”.

    • cat
  • Arabella Trefoil

    McCain believes that campaigns are won “in the last 72 hours.”

    Let’s all keep working on a McCain victory and tune out the noise.

    I hate to say this – I’d rather rip out my tongue – but Rudy is the one to watch.

    • Clara Barton

      What are we going to watch Rudy do? I may need a little Pepto for this.

    • ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

      yes yes!! did you see him grinning on fox and friends :0)

      IIRC it was his oppo team

      you owe me one Rudy!! Im a NYC gal transplanted to the SW and looking for my first GOP win EVAH!!

      Now SOCK IT TO ME!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ8Vrvy0VeE
      Endings from Laugh-In

  • Elle

    New York Post and Rush reporting just moments ago that Michelle Obama ordered a Caviar ,steamed lobster and Champagne snack as an afternoon request while staying at the Waldorf.
    Well,Well and that shortly before her NOT Elite husband gives a closing statement about the poor on the street at last nights comedy event.
    Oh,where is the truth .Clearly her taste for afternoon snacks is highly elite indeed .

    • HARP

      WHAT….no arugula?

      • Arabella Trefoil

        When Hillary was just plain old Senator Clinton, she used to eat at local diners sometimes. The waitstaff sometimes took photos of her. Everybody asked two questions:

        What did she order?
        How much did she tip?

        Answers: Salad and ice tea, 15%

    • typewriterstreaming

      Michelle is very busy getting her pieces of any and all pies.

      • Thinker

        lol

      • http://noquarters foxyladi14

        not my pie…i already ate it all up…yum yum

    • typewriterstreaming

      “Michelle Obama ordered a Caviar ,steamed lobster and Champagne snack as an afternoon request while staying at the Waldorf.”

      Now this is exactly why one of the posters here recently noticed Michelle’s stomach. Who can do this kind of a thing for a snack already???

      • HARP

        Ah yes……a moment on the lips but a lifetime on the hips.

      • Elle

        Hope she spread ‘The Wealth’with the Waldorf staff members and the people hungry on the streets.

      • Jackarooty

        Yes and I read that it was IRANIAN caviar! Seriously!

        • Elle

          Never had caviar so I would have not known the difference.However I do recognize her expensive taste buds .

      • No Obama for me

        Typewritersteaming,
        Yeah Big MO is a big woman. I looked at her on the stage the other night compared to Cindy McCain and she makes 3 of Cindy. I bet Barack is afraid to come up against her in more ways than one. The very fact that Big MO order an afternoon snack of that caliber shows “No class” and a “big ass” to prove it.

        I only hope that the African Press International article is true and that they have the audio tapes to prove it. Would that not be sweet. It would dominate every news outlet. Lets hope and pray for those audios.
        Anyone have any info on these. I looked at the website but no new info.

        • b mathews

          EVERY NEWS OUTLET EXCEPT MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC AND CNN.

        • AnninCA

          This is a stupid story, folks.

          It’s nothing but a cheap shot.

      • Bugs Bunny

        may be a bun in the oven.
        snark.

        • bemused

          Actually–that “historic notion” has already been floated, that she would about now be turning up pregnant for the first AA to be born in the WH.

    • kinthenorthwest

      Im trying to remember the last time I had lobster.
      Hmmm….Lobster is usually not a lunch many have that often.

    • typewriterstreaming

      God, you know I hope she stops eating. Can you imagine if the Obama toilet gets backed up? What plumber in the US of A is going to go and snake out their issues after what they have done to Joe?

      • HARP

        Hell… the whole WH will be full of shit.

        • Thinker

          lol again

          …you guys & gals are on a roll today.

          Maybe McCain brought out the humor in us.

          :)

      • Clara Barton

        HA! Good one and right on the mark. Plumbers unite against the stinky one.

      • Elle

        You had me laughing out loud with that response..too funny ,Thanks

        • No Obama for me

          You guys are hilarious,

          I needed a good laugh and yes the White house would be full of shit if Big O and Big MO should get in there. More than any of us can even imagine right now.

          Can’t imagine what Americans are thinking to support that guy.

          • JustMe

            she will have to plunge her own toilet! or live with it!

            However she isn’t getting near the Whitehouse restrooms only on a walk through before John McCain takes residence….

            Joe the plumber will be set for 4 years at least..

  • benny

    do you wonder what senator obama is reading??? check out this link….its crazy…
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/postamerican.asp

    post-american. hmm…….

  • lark

    Mu answer to Susan1968 said in the previous thread:

    Obama favors wealth redistribution.

    Not so much wealth redistribution as centralize government controlled economic growth.

    He wants to levy (I estimate) 75 percent in taxes yearly and allow people to work with 25 percent income. I don’t think I am exaggerating but I could be.

    He wants to direct the economy in specifics ways by financing economic growth in specific directions.

    A lot of people, a lot of people, a lot of people, economist, etc. are very comfortable with that. They think that is the way to go in the future. They are done with free-enterprise because they don’t see that free-enterprise cares for the world climate, etc. The see free-enterprise as careless and irresponsible.

    What people don’t see is what is basically the history of the world since the beginning. The why of the many wars in the Bible. That government directed economies end up advancing poverty and inefficiency on some sectors and that those imbalances are conducive to starvation and moreover wars (invasions). We invaded Iraq essentially because the embargo was causing starvation, Saddam didn’t care (centralized economy) and INVASION was the answer. Okay.

    So, the consequences of ’spread the wealth’ ends up as spread the misery and then spread the weapons, and then from the ashes the Sphinx rises.

    • Troy

      I think you mean, “the Phoenix Rises”

      • lark

        lol

  • Troy

    The Supreme Court just gamed the election for Obama to win…In every election if you win Ohio, you win the White House.

    It’s funny how this issue went from lawsuit to appeal and to another appeal all at warp speed, but a judge in Penn. just sits on his ass in the Berg-vs-Obama/DNC case and is letting the clock tick.

    The Supreme Court just cornholed “we the people”.
    mmmm….Doesn’t it feel good!!!

    • lark

      No. But it is obvious that the court system is also going to the waste side more and more and that all they are about is watching chaos ensue in order to measure the origin. In other words, pardon me, they have become more and more a scientific instrument but in reverse. A reverse science method.

      What in the bias can be considered objective.

      This my friends could technically be considered a new area of study.

  • Max

    Sure Brunner is trying to steal the election for Obama. Now the infamous Supreme Court has sided with Obama/Brunner. It is what it is. People of Ohio you need to get out and vote for McCain/Palin so that they will win by such a huge margin that the cheater Brunner can’t affect the outcome. One more thought of things to come if Obama wins…look how the MSM went after the Joe the plumber for expression his Constitution protected right of free speech, showing dissent towards Obama. So all forget the polls go vote or we will have not President Obama but Chairman Obama…

  • Stoptheinsanity!

    Go back to Africa, Kenya, where ever you came from Barky Oloser and take your ugly wife with ya.
    Mcain for America

    • Zee

      This remark is ugly.

      • Bell’Artista

        How about Indonesia, then

        Is that prettier for you?

        The Kenya comment is only because it appears that may be where Barky was born, so sez his Grandmother and supposedly some others

        Joe the Plumber could produce his BC in a minute, why doesn’t OVomit, and simply end the discussion there?

        • Bell’Artista

          and his wife is homely

          Barky picked her,I guess he likes her

  • lark

    From the previous thread:

    I told her she’ll find McCain has a long list of accomplishment and Obama does not.

    As seen yesterday by comparing the introduction that was given to McCain by the master of ceremony versus the introduction given to Obama.

    • Clara Barton

      There is only so much you can say about Obama’s achievements. After all, its only that he happened to be born as a bi-racial person that he’s made a name for himself. IOW, he’s done NOTHING of his own accord – at least nothing he’ll level with us about.

      • notrees

        You mean like having fifteen pages in the school textbooks dedicated to him even though he has accomplished nothing except to divide America in a time of crisis. Socialist strategy.

  • Paul3triple

    lark it is wealth redistibution. Obama said it himself.
    He is taking money from the “rich” and cutting checks to 40% of americans who do not pay taxes. That is not a cut. it is a welfare check. Senator Government is opening a nanny state.
    In the last debate he said he will send everyone to college. Everyone. How? Your money. He is going to raise the death tax. He is raising every tax. And nuancing it by saying he will provide “relief” to 95% of america. Off the backs of us.
    There is no other way to call it. It is redistribution of the wealth. Which is absolutly no surprise as that is what Jeremiah Wright and Farrakhan are all about. As well as Ayers.
    There is no need to paper over what he is doing.

    He thinks the government is robin hood. We will do this, we will do that, we will give this and that.

    Senator Government is a closet communist. Look no further than EVERY mentor he has had and his part of the New Party.

    • lark

      lark it is wealth redistibution. Obama said it himself.

      No my friend, it is not redistribution of wealth. That is an interpretation. Obama has not said it himself. I’ll explain my point further from what you just said.

      In the last debate he said he will send everyone to college. Everyone. How?

      No he has not said he’ll send everyone to college. He said he will promote for education to “recruit an ARMY of teachers.” And within that has directed teachers to teach math and science. He also said that he is interested to provide human resources in the areas of technology. So…

      It is a centralized government controlled of the means of production. Marxism is a good analogy. He wants people to go to college but to study the fields he wants them to study.

  • SnarlingCur

    This is from the site: http://www.cheatseekingmissiles.com/

    Laer’s Blog:

    October 17th 2008
    Dark Clouds For Obama’s Health Care Plan
    Posted by: Laer at 09:03 am

    I

    ‘m having a little trouble getting an accurate read through all the smoke and mirrors, but as I understand it, Obama’s health care plan lets you stay in the plan you have if you want, or have a plan as good as a U.S. Senator enjoys. And let’s not worry our little minds about costs.

    Gee, it sounds sort of like what they tried in Hawaii …

    HONOLULU (Fox) — Hawaii is dropping the only state universal child health care program in the country just seven months after it launched.

    Gov. Linda Lingle’s administration cited budget shortfalls and other available health care options for eliminating funding for the program. A state official said families were dropping private coverage so their children would be eligible for the subsidized plan.

    “People who were already able to afford health care began to stop paying for it so they could get it for free,” said Dr. Kenny Fink, the administrator for Med-QUEST at the Department of Human Services. “I don’t believe that was the intent of the program.” …
    Hawaii lawmakers approved the health plan in 2007 as a way to ensure every child can get basic medical help. The Keiki (child) Care program aimed to cover every child from birth to 18 years old who didn’t already have health insurance — mostly immigrants and members of lower-income families.

    It costs the state about $50,000 per month, or $25.50 per child — an amount that was more than matched by HMSA.

    State health officials argued that most of the children enrolled in the universal child care program previously had private health insurance, indicating that it was helping those who didn’t need it.

    Hawaii, faced with an $800 million budget shortfall – the Fed deficit is around $500 billion and skyrocketing – decided to ax the program. Obama, blind to fiscal realities, plows on undeterred.

    Hat-tip: Jim

    • Boxer Mum 06

      Why buy the cow when the milk is free comes to mind.

  • typewriterstreaming

    Sen. McCain defends Joe: this is from Drudge:
    “It’s great to be here in Miami. Florida is a must-win state on November 4th, and with your help, we’re going to win Florida, and bring change to Washington, DC. We had a good debate this week. You may have noticed– there was a lot of talk about Senator Obama’s tax increases and Joe the Plumber. Last weekend, Senator Obama showed up in Joe’s driveway to ask for his vote, and Joe asked Senator Obama a tough question. I’m glad he did; I think Senator Obama could use a few more tough questions.

    The response from Senator Obama and his campaign yesterday was to attack Joe. People are digging through his personal life and he has TV crews camped out in front of his house. He didn’t ask for Senator Obama to come to his house. He wasn’t recruited or prompted by our campaign. He just asked a question. And Americans ought to be able to ask Senator Obama tough questions without being smeared and targeted with political attacks.”

    I am ashamed of my former Dem. party. Ashamed.

    • Shiloh

      I would have said:

      it isn’t about Joe and it isn’t about Joe’s question. It’s about Sen Obama’s answer, that redistribution of wealth is good. We need to have a conversation about that. Do we want redistribution of wealth or creation of wealth?

      • McHope

        It is about Joe when Obama and his minions feel they have the right to slander, harass and mock an American citizen for asking a simple question.

      • jwrjr

        It won’t be any of Obama’s wealth that gets redistributed.

    • Susan1968

      Attacking Joe the Plumber will backfire.

      A lot of hardworking people owe back taxes.

      A lot of hardworking people depend on small business to survive — as owners or as employees.

      I live in FL — many, many Florida jobs were shipped overseas.

      People here depend on small businesses to drive the economy.

      McCain speech above defending Joe is PITCH PERFECT for Floridians.

      And may I add have to date seen on ONE Obama bumbersticker in my central FL area.

      • Urban Hillbilly

        Part of me cannot believe Obama wants to attack Joe the Plumber.

        McCain can and prob’ly jumped at the chance to defend Joe. It works on sooo many levels.

    • lark

      McCain is a giant that continues to grow in stature.

    • Boxer Mum 06

      I too an ashamed. I don’t think we are alone. They have no shame.

  • no acorns

    Rumor has it that at a rally today, Obama joked about Joe The Plumber and said something like”

    “Gee, How’s busineess, Joe??”,
    echoing the sentiments of the Pro-Obama supporters who want to put him out of business, and met with great cheers by the crowd.

    Can anyone confirm, or does anyone have the FOX video?? A classic example of ObamaThuggery.

    This seems to be OBAMA’s theory: If you have the AUDACITY to ask me a question, and my answer gets scrutiny for what it reveals about my socialist plans for America, I will DESTROY you (and your business) for asking your questions.

    WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE????????????????????

    • Zee

      Here an excerpt of that footage…it’s disgusting. Talk about unpresidential behavior.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSHqxosjyLY&NR=1

      • typewriterstreaming

        people should email this video everywhere. Obama is a disgrace.

      • irish1139

        Isn’t Obama the biggest ass*ole you ever met?

      • barry bums a ciggie

        I hate this ahole more and more everyday. This video clip reminds me of the shoulder dusting off and the middle finger to Hillary. And the crowd laughs ’cause it’s funny to laugh at a man who asked a legitimate question only to have his name dragged through the mud. What is the matter with these people?

    • Shiloh

      Obama is doing what he can to try to cover up his blunder. He is trying to turn attention away from his saying redistribution of wealth is good, and turn it toward Joe the guy.

      If you want Obama to lose, get out and spread the meme that it is about Obama’s statement – don’t let him wriggle out of it!

      • csuzeq

        That’s what narcissists do. They turn it on you and make you look the villain. Anyone who has ever tried to have any kind of relationship with a narcissist knows this. They cannot maintain any close relationships (so don’t think just because he and MEchelle are married life is all rosy at home, it’s not). This would explain why Barky has no friends who rush to support him and claim, “As a lifelong friend of Barack…” We met Sarah Palin’s life long friends. I bet we even start seeing Joe the plumber’s life long friends come to defen him. But never any Barfy friends.

        That right there should tell us something!

        I hope most Americans are smart enough to see truth when it slaps them in the face like this. It’s not just about education either. It’s about common sense. The MSM may not be telling you who Barfy really is, but every time that maggot opens his mouth, he definitely lets you know.

        OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE!

        It makes me crazy to sit by and see people conned!

    • ginaswo still says no Uhhbama
  • ohio

    I just e-mailed my Governor and the secretary of state. I suggest the people of Ohio rise up and get rid of these guys. I’m ashamed to have even voted for these POS’s. I won’t make that mistake again.

  • shadow

    http://drudgereport.com/flash1mm.htm

    MCCAIN DEFENDS THE PLUMBER
    REMARKS IN MIAMI, FL
    Fri Oct 17 2008 13:45:02 ET

    It’s great to be here in Miami. Florida is a must-win state on November 4th, and with your help, we’re going to win Florida, and bring change to Washington, DC. We had a good debate this week. You may have noticed– there was a lot of talk about Senator Obama’s tax increases and Joe the Plumber. Last weekend, Senator Obama showed up in Joe’s driveway to ask for his vote, and Joe asked Senator Obama a tough question. I’m glad he did; I think Senator Obama could use a few more tough questions.

    The response from Senator Obama and his campaign yesterday was to attack Joe. People are digging through his personal life and he has TV crews camped out in front of his house. He didn’t ask for Senator Obama to come to his house. He wasn’t recruited or prompted by our campaign. He just asked a question. And Americans ought to be able to ask Senator Obama tough questions without being smeared and targeted with political attacks.

    The question Joe asked about our economy is important, because Senator Obama’s plan would raise taxes on small businesses that employ 16 million Americans. Senator Obama’s plan will kill those jobs at just the time when we need to be creating more jobs. My plan will create jobs, and that’s what America needs.

    Senator Obama says that he wanted to spread your wealth around. When politicians talk about taking your money and spreading it around, you’d better hold onto your wallet. Senator Obama claims that wants to give a tax break to the middle class, but not only did he vote for higher taxes on the middle class in the Senate, his plan gives away your tax dollars to those who don’t pay taxes.

    That’s not a tax cut, that’s welfare. America didn’t become the greatest nation on earth by redistributing wealth; we became the greatest nation by creating new wealth.

    • Shiloh

      He isn’t using the phrase:

      redistribution of wealth

      Use it! It is what Obama fears! Shove his face in it!

      • IndianaDem

        Every republican president from Reagan to present has used the tax system and deficit spending to redistribute the wealth of the nation upward. Their policies have been so effective that the lower 60 percent of American families now own less than 4 percent of the total net worth of the nation, while the wealthiest 10 percent of the population now own over 71 percent of the nation’s total wealth. The wealthiest

        The wealthiest 5 percent–those who would pay increased taxes under the Obama tax plan–own almost 60 percent of the total wealth of the nation.

        Obviously we can’t continue spending half-a-trillion more each year than we raise in taxes without total financial disaster. The Bush cuts–disproportionately advantaging the wealthy–have added over 5 trillion to our national debt in only 8 years. McCain’s proposed cuts favor the rich even more.

        Spending must be reduced, and taxes must be raised.

        Who should pay more taxes? The 5 percent who can easily afford to do so? Or the 95% who are in many cases struggling to make ends meet?

        • WildChild

          the people who take all the money for themselves, shouldn’t whine and cry when they have to pay all the taxes.

        • Susan1968

          Obama is going to redistribute that “wealth” to lowest wage-earners who PAY NO TAXES under the current tax code.

          In addition to being refunded every tax dollar deducted from their paycheck, these “taxpayers” who earn under $19,000 will receive an additional $567 every year from Obama.

          Essentially it’s a yearly ‘stimulus’ check (or federal welfare check)

          How well do the $300-$500 stimulus checks help the economy? Nada.

          However, the tax burden under Obama to S-corporations in the higher brackets (and there are many) is as follows:

          If a company nets 603,000 per year
          Obama raises taxes an additional +$115,974

          A midsize company forced to cough up $115,000 MORE each year will lay off people. I know business owners in this category.

          But I bet Indidana Dem is a paycheck guy who has never taken the risk to run his own company.

          Let’s hope he doesn’t get laid off when Obama raises his boss’s taxes.

          • WildChild

            welfare wouldn’t be necessary if those handing out the paychecks paid better. But that would mean taking less for themselves and unfortunately this country has been taught to believe that the American dream isn’t freedom but rather, obscene wealth.

        • tommyo77

          this is ill informed fiscal drivel. The “Bush cuts-disproportionalely advantaging the wealthy-have added over 5 trillion to our national debt” is factually untrue. The issue is spending not tax cuts.

          Under Bill Clinton’s 8 years education spending went up 30%, under Bush 60%. Under Bill Clinton Welfare/Poverty Relief spending went up 28% under Bush it went up 59%. Under Bill Clinton Healthcare(medicare/medicade) spending went up 69% under Bush it went up 90%. If GWB had increased spending at the same rate as BC on just these 3 areas we would be running a 300 billion annual surplus instead of 400 billion deficit. Now you add to it the fact that Bush increased Defense spending 100% and it’s even worse. Federal revenue went up 40% in the 3 years following the tax cuts while revenue went up around 25% in the years following top rate increases in the early 90′s. Even if you believe the contention that every tax dollar cut from the slashing (39% under Clinton to 35% under Bush for a whopping 11% tax cut)of the top tax rate comes dollar for dollar out of the federal budget that tax cut only represents about $70 billion of a $2.5 trillion in revenue. Extrapolated over the 5 years of the tax cut it would only represent $350 billion of the $5 trillon added to the deficit.
          The issue is spending not revenue.

      • ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

        but he did say, WELFARE , finally

    • barry bums a ciggie

      The McCain campaign MUST continue to defend Joe the plumber. Expose those O-thugs for who they are.

  • HARP

    Obama Supporter Assaults Female McCain Volunteer in New York

    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-supporter-assaults-female-mccain-volunteer-in-new-york/

    • typewriterstreaming

      Doesn’t surprise me. I live in NYC – you take you life in your hands to support McCain. There will be a problem here if Obama wins or looses. They are scary nuts here.

      • AnninCA

        I agreed with one statement by Bill O’Reilly. Crazy is crazy, whether you’re on the far right or the far left.

        They are ALL equally crazy.

        I can’t stand some of the nutcases in the Republican wing. Ditto for the Democratic wing.

        Crazy is crazy.

  • Pj

    http://www.970wfla.com/main.html
    Rush
    He knows what he is talking about

  • Pj
  • http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/ Not Your sweetie
  • shadow

    Rush said yesterday if Obama gets elected, the first thing he will do is try to reinstitute the Fairness Doctrine and try and shut up any talk radio programs he disapproves of. Something to think about.

  • Pj

    http://www.teamsarah.org
    Dear Team Sarah,

    A gang of ugly trolls invaded Team Sarah last night, taking over the chatroom and spreading vulgar language and vile content.

    Our small but gallant team fought them off during the wee hours, banning the worst offenders and temporarily closing down our Chat Room.

    We thank and commend those of you who helped us fight back and reported the abuses so we could ban the offenders. You all rock!

    Why did this happen last night? The final debate? Because we got our 5,000th member? Or maybe…

    Team Sarah just got a MAJOR mention in the print media, with a column by KLo in the latest issue of National Review. Paste this into your browser and see!

  • Ray

    NEW ATTACK AD ON JOE THE PLUMBER!
    This is horse shit…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3nmVKghL-c

    • typewriterstreaming

      That is despicable. I think I have now seen everything.

      • Ray

        But wait it gets better, notice anything strange about the person that added the video?

        plumbtruth
        Joined: October 16, 2008
        Last Sign In: 5 minutes ago
        Videos Watched: 19
        Subscribers: 2
        Channel Views: 95

        Age: 31

      • McHope

        Flag it. They have no right to allow an ad that slanders a private citizen.

    • barry bums a ciggie

      What public office is joe running for? These aholes are really pushing it. I hope middle America will revolt against this kind of intimidation tactic. The guy had a legitimate question. O-fraud blurted out his true intentions for America in forms of Socialism and now Joe is paying the price by having his backgrounded scrutinized?? What’s going on people. I hope Joe the plumber, all over America, fights back.

    • lark

      But Obama has not approved that message.

  • Pj

    As Rush say we have to pull McCain over the finish line…..

    • typewriterstreaming

      Ha! Rush just said at least Joe uses his middle name and we can’t even us Obama’s middle name.
      I can’t believe I, a lifelong Dem listen to Rush and agree with him. Hell must be frozen.

      • AnninCA

        Well, I do like it when I see Rush taking some cheap shot.

        What Michelle ordered was just that……cheap shot.

        Good gravy…..she was probably ordering for a bunch of bigwigs before the doo-dah.

        • No Obama for me

          AnninCA,

          You are the most negative person I have seen.

          Who are you really for??? Get on one side or the other. Someone else said that.

          I totally disapprove of your bullshit.

  • Paul3triple

    McCain will march over the finish line. You guys saying that are foolish and do not pay attention to how campaigns are run. You just buy into the spin on TV and cooked poll numbers

    This Joe the plumber debacle is going to sink Obama. Not only did he prove he loves the communist theory of wealth. He also is a fascist shutting down any dissent or discussion.
    Attacking Joe. An average middle class guy really hurts his argument of being for the middle class.

    It has turned into obama fighting against the middle class instead of fighting for it.

    • Arabella Trefoil

      That’s right. The Joe the plumber debacle is going to finish Obama.

    • AnninCA

      I do think Obama has fallen into the trap. The video clip isn’t anything. It’s so edited that it’s impossible to see the context.

      But….there’s no question that the press unleashed on him, spreading his personal information all over in an attempt to smear him personally.

      What I like is that he’s just a guy. He’s not asking for a dang thing. So this exposes the press WHILE at the same time as raising the core issues in this election.

    • McHope

      It has turned into obama fighting against the middle class instead of fighting for it.

      You summed it up, Paul
      More ‘hope’ocrisy exposed.

  • SJ

    Well today I do get the feeling that the fix is in, does not matter even if God makes a second coming to the world and say vote McCain that this will happen.

    Looks like the drapes are really being measured, and even Michelle is getting into the act dining on lobster and champagne, while the Obama camp is ordering some more Styrofoam Pillars for the elections night celebration in the biggest field they can find in Chicago.

    I just hope all who encourage this and was part of this doing media, voters, TV crews, blogs and so on when the shit hits the fan they all be just as vigilant to accept the blame, I do hope when Obama can’t deliver all that he if filling them with now they are willing to come on the blogs, the media TV and so on and admit that they have been hoodwinked and bamboozled by the biggest con man Americans has ever seen

  • lark

    Let me say something funny (Not).

    It is funny that Obama, even though he is still a mystery, has already given us enough revelation that we know what he is all about. He really is not an unknown quantity anymore. True, the majority of those that will be voting for him do not have an accurate measure of him. But we do. And it is with wide eyes and with full understanding that we will see this election take place.

    • b mathews

      OBAMA HAS SHOWN FROM DAY ONE WHAT HE IS ABOUT TO ANYONE REALLY LISTENING. HE SAYS HE WONT SALUTE THE FLAG BECAUSE HE DOESNT WANT TO BE SEEN AS TAKING SIDES (???). HE CHANGED THE PRESIDENTIAL SEAL TO REFLECT HIS OWN IMAGE. HE CHANGED THE AMERICAN FLAG LOG ON HIS PLANE TO THE ISLAM SYMBOL OF THE RISING SUN (DID HE THINK NO ONE WOULD NOTICE?) HE AND HIS WIFE HAVING ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT “SHARING THE PIE” (ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH.) HE SAID HE WANTS TO UNITE THE COUNTRY BUT PLAYS THE RACECARD AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY. ANYTIME SOMEONE BRINGS UP THE TRUTH ABOUT HIS UNSAVORY PAST HE HAS CALLED IT A “DISTRACTION.” HE CLAIMS HE IS NOT SEXIST BUT ENCOURAGES HIS RABID FOLLOWERS TO SLIME HILLARY AND SARAH AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY AND HAS NEVER CONDEMNED IT. HE HAS SAID MANY TIMES THAT HE WANTS A VOLUNTEER MILITIA (SHADES OF HITLERS BROWNSHIRTS). WHO WILL THIS MILITIA CONSIST OF? ACORN WORKERS ROAMING THE COUNTRY ARMED AND UNDER OBAMAS AUSPICES? NO WONDER HE WANTS TO TAKE AWAY OUR GUNS. (THIS ALONE SHOULD SCARE THE CRAP OUT OF MOST AMERICANS) AND MOST TELLING HE HAS SAID “AMERICA IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH. JOIN ME AS WE CHANGE IT” (!!!???) IF HE MANAGES TO STEAL THIS ELECTION (LIKE HE STOLE THE NOMINATION) HE CAN SAY “DONT SAY I DIDNT WARN YOU”

  • EightBelles

    How on earth can the Supreme Court justices sit on their hands and watch my vote and the votes of countless other Americans be diluted by Acorn voter fraud in Ohio and in other states? Also (in response to an earlier post) last time I checked felons aren’t legally permitted to vote. If the Supreme Court won’t speak up to insure that the oval office isn’t stolen for BO by Acorn and others of their fraudulent ilk, that leaves it up to the remaining states that aren’t part of the “scheme” to scream bloody murder. There are civil suits specifically designed for when justice isn’t served in criminal cases. If what Jennifer Brunner is trying to pull isn’t criminal, it’s the next closest thing imho.

    What a sick joke this election has become! From the DNC “dog and pony show roll call” to Acorn to the liberal MSM all the way down to this most recent SC ruling, election year 2008 is corrupt through and through.

    • ziggy

      Because voter registration fraud is unlikely to be transformed into any significant degree of election fraud. Anyone collecting registration applications can fill out forms in the names of cartoon characters or dead people, but it’s very difficult to get them to turn out in significant numbers on election day. Day-of-registration ballots, absentee ballots, and early voting ballots are already easy to identify for closer scrutiny.

      Late rematching of Social Security numbers and drivers licenses addresses against the registration data bases would likely result in the disqualification of thousands of perfectly legitimate registrations, and the throwing out of perfectly legitimate early votes. Those pushing for the rematch know perfectly well that those eliminated would be disproportionately democrat: students and other young people more likely to have changed addresses; poor people more likely to have moved; people who have lost their homes to foreclosure; transients who change addresses frequently.

      Voter fraud allegations are a perennial favorite of republicans in closely contested elections. It’s always the justification for their pre-election “caging” tactics, which they used to great advantage in Ohio in 2004 and had great hopes for again this year. They have over 660,000 voters on a hit list that they planned to challenge on election day, and were hoping to expand the tactic. Their systematic defamation of ACORN has been part of the tactic.

  • Sara

    If the Supreme Court is not concerned about voter fraud then McCain’s supporters should vote as many times as they can too. They should also “encourage” the homeless to vote by giving them incentives such as food.

    • AnninCA

      The SP does not interfere with state election laws.

      End of story.

      • sproutingly

        Unless it’s the year 2000 in Florida — and they said that decision could not be used as a precedent to ever do it again, because they knew it was wrong but they did it anyway. They stopped the Florida recount.

      • Rocky Mountain High

        But they will interfere with national election laws when it comes down to the electoral college. I don’t think it will come to that again. The polls are being used as a campaign strategy by the left. Most polls are done by college students, most of them are liberal. Keeping Obama up in the polls is a strategy that says, ‘you’re the oddball, if you don’t go with the crowd’. However, the only poll that counts is on Nov. 4. My prediction is that McCain will win by a wider margin than most expected. At least 7-10 pts over Obama. Stay tuned. So we won’t be needing the SP to intervene.

    • AnninCA

      I should add, unless it interferes with a constitutional mandate.

      How a state conducts its voting is a state issue.

      • McHope

        Yes, and the DNC was allowed to conduct it’s own business as well. Neither ruling protected the right of American citizens to have a fair voting process.

        The only entity that has and will recieve the entire protection of from the law is Barack Obama.

        • AnninCA

          Well, that’s a function of the past, McHope. ACORN came into being due to past abuses, mostly in the South.

          There was horrible voter suppression for many, many years.

          Today, it’s probably more of an issue among Latinos.

          We recently saw a case in So. Cal. where a Democrat, Asian, btw, sent out a letter warning people that they could be deported if they voted.

          Boy, he got nailed.

          So it’s not just a white against black or vice versa issue.

          It’s often a racial ploy.

          ACORN obviously is one of those grassroots organizations, embedded in far-left theology, which has now been exposed. High time. They have employed seriously unacceptable tactics, and so did Obama in the caucus states.

          That is my perspective. I do not support, endorse, or accept those tactics.

          They are wrong. Plain and simple.

          It’s a good thing for our country that they have been exposed. They have received too many funds and abused the people.

          Their heyday is now officially……over.

  • Country First

    “Social Security, How It Got Stolen”

    Franklin Delano. Roosevelt (Terms of Office March 4, 1933, to April 12, 1945), a Democrat, introduced the Social Security (FICA) Program. He promised:
    1.) That participation in the Program would be Completely voluntary,

    2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual Incomes into the Program,

    3.) That the money the participants elected to put Into the Program would be deductible from Their income for tax purposes each year,

    4.) That the money the participants put into the Independent ‘Trust Fund’ rather than into the General operating fund, and therefore, would Only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program, and no other Government program, and

    5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income.
    —————————-
    Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now receiving a Social Security check every month — and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the Federal government to ‘Put Away’ — you may be interested in the following:
    ———————————-
    Insert by Vincent Peter Render,
    If I recall correctly, 1958 is the first year that Congress voted to remove funds from Social Security and put it into the General Fund for Congress to spend.

    If I recall correctly, it was a democratically Controlled Congress.

    From what I understand, Congress logic at that time was that there was so much money in Social Security Fund that it would never run out / be used up for the purpose it was intended / set aside for.
    ———————————————–
    Question: Which Political Party took Social Security from the Independent ‘Trust Fund’ and put it into the General Fund so that Congress could spend it?

    Answer: It was Lyndon B. Johnson (Democrat, Term Of Office: November 22, 1963 to January 20, 1969) and the democratically Controlled House and Senate.
    ———————————————
    Question: Which Political Party started taxing Social Security annuities?

    Answer:     The Democratic Party, with Albert Arnold Gore, Jr. (Al Gore) [Vice President Term of Office: January 20, 1993 to January 20, 2001] casting the ‘tie-breaking’ deciding vote as President of the Senate, while he was Vice President of the US
    ———————————–
    Question: Which Political Party decided to start giving Annuity payments to immigrants?

    AND MY FAVORITE:
    Answer: That’s right! James Earl Carter, Jr. (Jimmy Carter) (Democrat, Term of Office: January 20, 1977 to January 20, 1981) and the Democratic Party.

    Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65, began to receive Social Security payments! The Democratic Party gave these payments to them, even though they never paid a dime into it!
    ——————————
    Then, after violating the original contract (FICA), the Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want to take your Social Security away!

    And the worst part about it is un-informed citizens believe it!

    If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of Awareness will be planted and maybe changes will Evolve. Maybe not, some Democrats are awfully Sure of what isn’t so.

    But it’s worth a try. How many people can YOU send this to?

    Actions speak louder than bumper stickers.

    AND CONGRESS GIVES THEMSELVES 100% RETIREMENT FOR ONLY SERVING ONE TERM!!!
    ———————————————
    “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.”

    – Thomas Jefferson

    • WildChild

      Thomas Jefferson was an anti-federalist. Had he not been in France at the time it’s doubtful that he would have signed off on the new constitution.

    • Mercedes

      Another good, critical look at what has happened to Social Security over the years comes from Ravi Batra’s book, “Greenspan’s Fraud.” I have not detected any partisanship from Mr Batra, who is a professor of Economics at SMU in Dallas. But he really skewers Mr Greenspan and roasts him over an open flame. His book has pretty much convinced me that Mr Greenspan’s laissez faire economics, embraced by both Democrats and Republicans, is largely responsible for the current economic mess.

      I don’t know much about finance, but it seems pretty obvious to me. If you have a lot of traffic, you need traffic lights. You are asking for trouble if you let the heathens run wild. So erase all the play money and set up some rules.

  • typewriterstreaming

    Are we not surprised? Obama camp steals mentally challenged man’s vote:
    ALBANY, GA (WALB) – There are allegations of voter fraud, as a Dougherty County family claims the vote of a mentally challenged relative was stolen.

    They say the adult day rehab program where Jack Justice attends took him to vote, without the family’s permission. What’s worse is Justice says the person helping him wouldn’t cast the ballot for his choice for President.

    Jack Justice has been voting since he turned 18. Typically his family takes him to their neighborhood precinct. This time Primus Industries, his adult day rehab program, took him to vote. His family was shocked, but what shocked them more was that Jack claims that his aide commandeered his vote.

    “They told me to vote for Obama, I said no I wanted to vote for McCain,” said Jack Justice, a voter.

    Jack Justice says the person helping him, selected Obama’s name. His sister says the family is often asked to sign a permission slips for trips, but for this they were never notified.

    “No permission slips, no nothing, he just came home and said he had gone,” said Nancy Justice, Jack’s sister.

    We questioned election officials about the procedure, who say they recall the group coming in to vote and an aide was helping the individuals, but they must sign an oath that they’ll cast the ballot however the voter prefers.

    “So it plainly says the person should tell the person how they want to vote and then they help them mark it,” said Carolyn Hatcher, Dougherty County Elections Supervisor.

    Election officials say they can’t follow people into the booth to see what happens. We contacted the Albany Area Community Service Board who oversees Primus Industries. They say they do their best to protect the safety, treatment, and care of the individuals in their programs. They also said they’ll look into the allegations and conduct an internal investigation if necessary. Nancy Justice is just upset the incident happened.

    “For me it was kind of pushing it to the limit there to get him to vote for someone in particular who they wanted him to vote for,” said Nancy Justice.”

    Karma will come.

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte

    aol straw poll has McCain winning all – yep- ALL the states! Check it out!

  • dofogo

    My local news did a story about how Sara Palin is going to be in Indianapolis today and they gave out 24,000 tickets!!!

    • AnninCA

      She is such a hit, huh?

      I think it’s great.

      She’s going to be around for years, I predict.

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte

    WHAAAA, WHAAA, WHAAAA!

    Obots are a cryin’!!!!

  • Mercedes

    I think this article is interesting:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/3212182/Financial-crisis-Christine-Lagarde-warned-Hank-Paulson-to-bail-out-Lehman-Brothers.html

    The headline is:

    Christine Lagarde, the French finance minister, warned her US counterpart Hank Paulson that he had to bail out US investment bank Lehman Brothers or face global financial collapse, but her advice went unheeded.

    This certainly does not give one much confidence in Mr Paulson. Now, I will be keeping my eye out for some explanation of exactly why Lehman failed at the specific point in time that it did and why Mr Paulson did not heed the advice of this apparently savvy French lady.

    She, along with many others, are predicting that hedge funds (whatever they are) will be the next financial instruments to fold.

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  • IronMan

    The momentum is swinging our way now! Keep Fighting!! Obama is on the run!!

    Carry the battle to them. Don’t let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive. And don’t ever apologize for anything.

    – Harry S Truman

    Stand up and Fight against Obama’s radical socialist agenda!

    Stand up and fight against an Obama/Pelosi/Reid Traiangle of Power!

    Stand up and fight for what you know is right!

    Country First!

    McCain-Palin ’08

  • Alan

    Want to prevent someone from voting more than once?

    Rally the troops so that you have someone videotaping all those that go in to a polling location. You can also have people inside.

    I would even display signs indicating what you are doing.

    This does not violate your privacy as the polls are in a public area and your choice is known only to you.

    What we will know is if someone exercises their choice more than once.

  • Judy L. NC

    Yup, the tide has turned thanks to Joe! Joe for Director of the IRS, or at least official White House plumber!

    GUESS WHAT, Y’ALL? I VOTED FOR MCCAIN/PALIN THIS MORNING!

    It’s my day off so I went to the NC early voting location at our local mall. There were conga lines snaking up and down the middle of the mall. It was quite a new experience and very positive. The polls were very well staffed. Took about 40 mins. start to finish and I was voter #2360 in just over an hour after opening—which I believe includes yesterday’s voters. There were 1 Mac/Palin button and 2 for Barky (a couple), numerous patriotic shirts and one “Bush Lied, Thousands Died” tee shirt. Overall, IMO, the crowd was a good cross section of the community.

    I’m noticing more McCain/Palin yard signs in my neck of the woods maybe increasing to 3:1 over Obama signs.

    John S. McCain
    44th President of the United States

    WOOHOO!

    • Urban Hillbilly

      Congrats on your vote!

  • matilda

    Have you seen this? It’s a comment (by “George”) found in Chicagoagainstobama.wordpress.com in the article called “Joe the Lawyer vs. Joe the Plumber”

    By Bryce A. Priggemeier, Sr.

    This email is going out to everyone in my Contacts List and I am asking all of you to do two things – first, read what I have to say and then please forward this to everyone in your email contacts – asking them to do the same.

    For those of you that are lost at this point of the email, it would serve both of us best if I give a brief synopsis of past events concerning myself and Joe Biden. For those that have already heard the story – please feel free to skip to the next paragraph. On January 1st, 2001 at about 1 o’clock in the morning, while employed as a police officer for the City of Newark, Delaware and on patrol, I observed a 2001 Ford Explorer pull along side of me at an intersection and proceed about a full car length past the white stop line. When the light turned green and we pulled away, we pulled up to the next intersection and the same vehicle came to a stop well into the middle of the intersection.

    A traffic stop was initiated and the driver identified herself as Ashley Biden – inquiring if I knew who her father was. I detected what I believed to be an odor of an alcoholic beverage coming from Ms. Biden. As per department protocol and because of Ms. Biden’s public notoriety, I requested that a supervisor respond to the scene.

    During the time period in which I was waiting for the supervisor to arrive, I performed two field sobriety tests while she was inside the vehicle (both of which she failed miserably). Ms. Biden was drunk. My sergeant arrived and was advised that it was my belief that she was intoxicated. As a new officer and fully aware of the political implications that could possibly follow, I looked to my superior for guidance.

    I had an idea as to how I wanted to see things play out – a win/win situation! I wanted to have one of the other officers park the vehicle in a parking lot and take Ms. Biden home. A win/win in my book, because she would have been off the road and any political snafu avoided. Is this right? Absolutely not, but when you see where this is headed – if you don’t understand my reasoning thus far you certainly will after hearing the outcome.

    I was advised by my sergeant that I was to pull Ms. Biden out of the vehicle, perform the remaining field sobriety tests, and that if she was indeed found to be intoxicated and operating a motor vehicle then she was to be arrested and processed accordingly. Needless to say, when she performed the rest of the field sobriety tests she was barely able to stand let alone perform the tests. I looked to my sergeant for one final guiding point and he raised his arm as if to say “What are you waiting for, arrest her.” I did.

    From this point on, she became both belligerent, verbally abusive, and actually propositioned me several times in an effort to be released. I was told by her that her father was a great and powerful man and that she would have my badge! She was processed and blew a .16 on the intoxilyzer (twice the legal limit within the city limits at the time). She was treated with the utmost of courtesy – actually above and beyond while in custody because of who she was.
    She was only handcuffed during the ride to the station and roamed freely about
    the booking area with her nose up in disgust voicing complaints as to how dirty the place was and how displeased her father was going to be with all of us. She was released a short time later that morning.

    After the holidays were over and administration came back to work, I was confronted by a Captain who had my report in hand. He advised me that he had been contacted by the Biden family and asked if there was something that could be done about the arrest. I advised him that I wanted to handle things differently the night it happened and was told differently and that I had absolutely no reservations about doing my job.

    He inquired and suggested that there was maybe something that I did wrong in an effort to have the case thrown out when it went to court. I became somewhat disgusted with this questioning and told my captain that I didn’t care what happened to Ms. Biden’s case.

    If her father was able to pull strings (above me) and have her case kept out of the courts and the
    public eye I didn’t care. I told the captain that I was told that I had to do my job that evening, had no problem with doing it, but IF it went to court and I was called to testify to the events of the evening leading to her arrest that I would indeed continue to do the job that I was sworn to do.

    The captain asked if this was truly my intention to which I answered ‘100%, absolutely, without hesitation’.

    He asked if I was sure I again repeated my answer. Two weeks later I was fired without just cause which they could do because of my probationary status as a new officer. I was given reasons that you don’t fire for as being the reasons why I was being let go. It was very strange.

    The same captain did the ‘firing’ while the chief sat there and said nothing with a look of disgust on his face. The tension in him was pretty thick. As I was escorted from the building I was approached by several officers and told that they didn’t agree with what was being done – one saying that “

    This is b—s—” and that he was sorry to see me getting dealt with this way. I left Newark PD that day and never returned. I went through two attorneys that once they got close to the case they mysteriously advised me that they had to drop the case.

    What Joe Biden and the Newark PD did to me destroyed my life and has scarred me forever. I still miss the job sometimes, but I have rebounded and rebuilt my life. It took a long time and was a hard road. Quite honestly, I have my friends and family to thank.

    I had a HUGE support network that saw me through the toughest time of my life. I had dreamed of being a police officer and firefighter since I was a little boy. Something positive out of this – now I have done both and I love being a fireman even more than I did being a police officer. And let’s face it – EVERYONE LOVES FIREMEN RIGHT?

    So what do I think about this?

    Am I plotting revenge? Am I looking to air this out in the media? I still haven’t made up my mind. We live in a country where this kind of stuff is done everyday by people like Joe Biden. As a society, we are merely like sheep being led to the slaughter house. I am a registered Democrat (if you can believe it – but this is another long story that we won’t get into in this email) but have become what I like to call a Free Thinker. When politicians speak it’s as if they are dictating how you are to think.

    I am fed up with politicians. I am fed up with media; I want to take it all in and think logically about issues and form my own opinions.

    Yes, I know we need someone in the trenches doing the dirty work making the decisions on foreign policy issues and domestic issues, but I am tired of these elected officials fueling these decisions with personal agendas for their gain and our loss. I know Joe Biden has a wealth of foreign polic
    y experience as the chairman of the Senate Joint Sub Committee on Foreign Policy, but a man that abuses power as he has in my situation is a danger to society. He is a danger to YOU and YOUR family.

    WHAT AM I GOING TO DO?

    Ok, I hear you. A few months ago it was brought to my attention that 3 Delaware State Troopers were fired for arresting Ashley Biden for being drunk and disorderly at a party recently (within the last year).

    During the course of arrest she resisted and was dealt with accordingly. I know very few details about this other than what I have just written. I am going to reach out to the Delaware State Trooper’s Association and see if they can verify this and if true put me in touch with the 3 wayward troopers.

    I will discuss my case with them and see what their intentions are (if they have any at all). My intentions are that I am going to contact John McCain’s headquarters and provide them with any information they want about this incident. I am not going to push this issue, but just maybe it might make a difference. But let’s face it I am only one person.

    If it is something that contributes in ruining Joe Biden’s presidential dreams as he das
    hed mine of being a police officer, I will finally be recumbent about the issue.

    Immediately after Obama selected Biden, Biden was touted in the media as being a “working man’s man”. It made me nearly sick to my stomach. This was a story of where the “trademark smile” of Joe Biden disappeared and was replaced by a sadistic sneer as he screwed a working man to save face for himself no matter what consequences lay ahead for anyone else.

    John McCain is not the best choice and neither is Obama, but in my eyes McCain is the better choice of the two now. My original intention was not to vote at all as a form of protest in the choices being provided to us. Of course one could vote for one of the 16 other candidates being listed on the ballots but let’s face it – the same as not voting at all.

    Below is my contact information.

    If you have questions or comments, reach out to me and we can discuss them. Please remember me and my story when you step into the ballot box come November.

    Keep Obama out of the White House. Keep Biden from attaining more privilege and power to exploit. So I ask this question of you – WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO?

    Bryce A. Priggemeier, Sr.
    (856) 223–1010 office
    (856) 223–1073 fax
    bryce.priggemeier@verizon.net

    • jrterrier

      and look at this report from the LA Times in 2002

      Archive for Sunday, August 04, 2002
      Sen. Biden’s Daughter Arrested in Altercation
      August 04, 2002 in print edition A-15

      The daughter of Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.) was arrested on a misdemeanor charge of obstructing a police officer outside a Chicago bar.

      Ashley Blazer Biden, 21, of Wilmington, Del., was with a group of people on a North Side street where several bars are located when someone else threw a bottle at an officer, police said.

      When police tried to arrest another person, Biden blocked the officer’s path and made intimidating statements, officer JoAnn Taylor said.

      Biden was later released and is scheduled to appear in court Sept. 20.

      Sen. Biden’s spokeswoman, Margaret Aitken, declined to comment, calling it a private, family matter.

      http://articles.latimes.com/2002/aug/04/nation/na-briefs4.1

  • http://none Jessie Britton

    This is the third day in a row and the most intense of all, whereas Fox News is going negative on McCain. Polls are being pulled out of their rear ends that have all kind of bad numbers. All their guest are mostly Obama supports. We have three national polls out that have the race within 2 percent. Yesterday’s Gallup of likely voters based on the last Presidential election. AP/Yahoo and some ABC poll I believe. If the National polls are with 2 percentage points, how in hell can you have all these battle ground red states like Virginia down by 10, Pennsylvania by 12, North Carolina by 8, Ohio by 5 and Florida by 5 points. Are we to believe that McCain is getting them in the blue states of New York, New Jersey, Mass. or California. Obama claimed earlier in the week that if was not for Fox he would be up an additional 2 to 3 points. Looks like Fox is try to prove they are fair and balanced!

    • No Obama for me

      Jessie,

      I noticed that very thing. What is going on with those Fox commentators?

      Yes there are the major polls that are all within the margin of error, I can’t figure out why Fox is doing that either.

      Lets not give up hope. I feel it is turning in McCain’s favor.

    • tommyo77

      state polls always run behind the national shifts. It usually takes 4-7 days for the state polls to catch up with national. Plus they are taken less frequently.

    • Annie Oakley

      OT, and not in any way related to Fox’s new Obama love, but did Fox receive any money for setting the World Series game 6 (should there be one) back 15 minutes to accommodate Obama’s speech?

  • jrterrier

    Just a correction to SusanUNPC’s take. The case was not decided by a “liberal Supreme Court justice.”
    Justice Stevens referred the case to the whole Court.

    So it was decided by the entire court and issued as a “per curiam” opinion. “A “per curiam” decision is a decision delivered via an opinion issued in the name of the Court rather than specific justices. Most decisions on the merits by the Supreme Court (and other appellate courts in the U.S.) take the form of one or more opinions signed by individual justices (and joined in by others). Even when such signed opinions are unanimous, they are not termed “per curiam.” “Per curiam” decisions are given that label by the Court itself and tend to be short. Usually, though not always, they deal with issues the Court views as relatively non-controversial.

    by the way, although today Justice Stevens is regarded as the most liberal, he is or was a Republican and appointed by President Ford. In an earlier day, he was regarded as neither liberal nor conservative but a centrist. he appears to be a very kind man. on the bench, he is never sarcastic, or nasty, or arrogant.

  • http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com InsightAnalytical-GRL

    I read it was the Ohio Supreme Court…is it Supreme Supreme Court?

  • http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com InsightAnalytical-GRL

    OK, I’m with the wrong Court!
    It WAS the full US Supreme Court…here’s the opinion..on a technicality!

    http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/17/brunner-wins-supreme-court-reverses-sixth-circuit-on-mismatched-voter-registration-forms/

  • Juliet16

    Folks, I am not a legal expert, so someone else can jump in here, but from reading comments at other blog sites, this is what has been discussed today:

    SCOTUS didn’t necessarily agree with Brunner. They just looked at the underlying law.

    Apparently, the US Supreme Court reviewed the HAVA (Help America Vote Act) law and found that the Ohio GOP didn’t have “standing” in this case – only the US Attorney General has standing to compel the Ohio Secretary of State Brunner to do her job.

    SCOTUS isn’t saying that the law hasn’t been broken or that they agree with Brunner. They are only saying they reviewed the law and found that, as written, only the US Attorney General can bring action against her. The OHIO GOP can’t do it.

    The question is: will the US Attorney General act? They only have until the 25th of October to ac — otherwise fraudulent votes may be counted.

    This excerpt lifted from a pasted comment at AofSHQ:

    TITLE IV–ENFORCEMENT

    SEC. 401. ACTIONS BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR
    DECLARATORY AND INJUNCTIVE RELIEF.

    The Attorney General may bring a civil action against any State or
    jurisdiction in an appropriate United States District Court for such
    declaratory and injunctive relief (including a temporary restraining
    order, a permanent or temporary injunction, or other order) as may be
    necessary to carry out the uniform and non-discriminatory election
    technology and administration requirements under sections 301, 302, and
    303.

    Otherwise, private citizens only get to complain to the state. The state handles the complaints as they see fit.

  • IndieDogg

    The Help America Vote Act (HAVA) (Pub.L. 107-252) is a federal law, passed overwhelmingly by both Houses of Congress and signed by President Bush on October 29, 2002. It is a federal law (or the case would never have gotten past the District and Appellate courts). However, implementation was left to the states so they can interpret the requirements differently.

    That is not the problem here. The act does not say that you can ignore the law and that will amount to a “differing interpretation” of the law. That would be tantamount to my saying I “interpret” the speed limit as not applying to me. The Supreme Court hasn’t said Brunner can just do whatever the hell she pleases, or do nothing at all. Even though the “effect” of their “no-decision” is just that, given the time frame. She can do whatever the hell she wants, unless the RNC or voters in Ohio (I’d argue voters anywhere, since the standard here is to ensure “fair” federal elections, partially in response to 2000 but, either way, at least an Ohio voter) can figure out a way to gain “standing” to file a civil suit against her. So far, they’ve done fine, until they hit the Supreme Court.

    The Supreme Court (and remember, no other federal court found this to be the case, so all those other federal judges actually reached the merits of the case and it took the wisdom of the supremes to figure out that the plaintiffs weren’t even allowed to file the case in the first place) essentially found that there was a federal law mandating certain action be taken to protect the public’s right to fair and open elections but then found that the voters in such elections, the citizens who’s right was being protected, had no standing to complain if it wasn’t done.

    The Attorney General (of the US, not Ohio), i.e., the Justice Department, can step in (which could be done through the U.S. Attorney in Columbus, for example) and might have if the RNC had not been the plaintiff. Whether or not that’s going to happen, I have no crystal ball information.

    But, otherwise, the message is: Go forth and pillage with our blessing, Secretary of State Harris — uh — Brunner.

    Isn’t the law and it’s flip-flop interpretation depending on which judge you happen to ask, a wonderful thing? Someone does something clearly egregious, something clearly prohibited by a federal law, but there’s really nothing you can do about it, even though you are a clearly affected party.

    And, no, it’s not a state issue. No one has suggested that state officials can enforce a federal statute. So, you’re left with a wrong without a right.

    And, the grossest fact of all is that the Ohio Secretary of State doesn’t WANT to verify that voters in elections are real. The world is turned upside down when the Secretary of State of a state is in court arguing in favor of voter fraud.

    Ah, well. Another day, another WTFCAILI moment. [Translation guide: W=what, T=the, C=Country, A=Am, I=I, L=Living, I=In – the missing letter you can figure out on your own.]

    Stand up!!

    Keep digging. Keep working. What can I do today to help win this election?!

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