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Novak’s Rude Awakening

By Larry Johnson on March 22, 2007 at 4:15 PM in Current Affairs

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Larry C Johnson

Boy, is that the best he can do? I refer of course to Bob "the Colostomy Bag" Novak’s column today in which he demonstrates that he still does not understand the basics of CIA cover. I am working out of town this week on a terrorism exercise (I get the night shift) and am not able to post as I would like. But Novak’s column demands a quick response.

First and most important, he does not dispute that CIA Director Michael Hayden authorized a statement read by Henry Waxman at last Friday’s hearing that states very clearly: Valerie Plame Wilson worked in an undercover position since February 2002 until she was outed in Novak’s column. Her status was covert and was considered to be classified information. And, as defined in the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, she carried out classified missions overseas during the period 2002-2003.

All Novak can do is whine about the fact that General Hayden would not give this same information to Republican Peter Hoekstra. Why would that be?

Well you fat dumb fuck, ever hear of the Scooter Libby trial? Hayden did not weigh in on the matter of Valerie’s covert status as long as it was an issue that could surface in the criminal trial. He did not want to be in the position of having to go on the stand and divulge classified information. Once he started talking about Valerie and Brewster Jennings he would have been on a road that would expose more information that the CIA would rather keep secret.

Novak’s stupidity continues unabated with his rhetorical question, "how could she be undercover if she drove to Langley?" Well Bob, here is a news flash. You still cannot divulge the real name of the Director of Operations, who goes by the name of Jose. Why? Because he is undercover. And, he drives to CIA Headquarters everyday just outside of McLean, Virginia. In fact, there are thousands of undercover personnel who drive thru the gates everyday.

This issue goes beyond the fact that Valerie Plame Wilson was betrayed by her own government while working to uncover Saddam Hussein’s alleged weapons of mass destruction. The heart of the matter is whether or not we can have a professional intelligence service that is staffed by Republicans, Democrats, and Independents who will be permitted to do their job without being accused of partisan behavior. Most CIA officers check their political leanings at the door. They recognize that their job is to get the truth, no matter how unpalatable. Valerie Plame Wilson, working in an undercover capacity, did so as an American patriot, not a democrat. If people like Robert Novak and Victoria Toensing have their way, they will create an intelligence corps that is first and foremost guided by politics and dedicated to serving the partisan inhabitant of the White House. We have seen this before. The Soviets called it the KGB.

MEP

Hell have’nt ya heard? The CIA,NSA,DIA…..will be out sourced offshore. Cheaper that way ya know. If you have trouble stacking the deck, move the game.
bob johnson

someone ought to start at his achilles tendon,then a kneecapping job,finished off with a scrotum removal.knee capping is really neat,saw in done in nam,you don`t have any handcuffs and you don`t want anyone to go anywhere you take a 1911 army .45 place it just below the kneecapp,hell they ain`t going nowhere.sorry i feel this way.
MEP

Did not mean to make light of Novak’s statements in my earlier post. It’s just that these people are so incredibly fucking stupid, twisted and vile…what else do you say. They are like cockroaches or rats no matter how many you trap or whack with a shoe there’s always a few more hiding in the wall and the sewer.
CK

http://www.orkin.com/
rugger9

1. How would he (and Vicky) know better than Hayden about Valerie? Who has the information (or not)? Somehow he misses the point that Hayden’s a true Bushie with renditions and aternative interrogation methods (among other things) to his “credit”. That’s why W nominated him to his current job.

2. Why does it sound to me like Novakula’s just asking for a trial on IIPA or Espionage Act charges?
rugger9

1. How would he (and Vicky) know better than Hayden about Valerie? Who has the information (or not)? Somehow he misses the point that Hayden’s a true Bushie with renditions and aternative interrogation methods (among other things) to his “credit”. That’s why W nominated him to his current job.

2. Why does it sound to me like Novakula’s just asking for a trial on IIPA or Espionage Act charges?
oldtree

truth is truth, always nice to see it. it is so damn rare.
http://opit.wordpress.com/ opit

For a guy in a hurry you still managed efficient debunking.
Tap Duncan

Hey Larry, I loved this post, because Novakula is a piece of shit. In my other posting I hesitated to be to graphic about what I thought should be done to him. Now I believe he should be trotted out before the American people and shown what a traitor gets. Drawn and quartered sounds too nice. Tarred and feathered… too gentle. Keel hauled, too silent (we can’t hear the screams of mercy), however, we can all sit back and smirk at how his family and friends feel about having to talk to this fucking loser piece of shit at family functions. They can’t all be stupid can they? Imagine having to share the same four cubic feet with this motherfucker, makes you sick, doesn’t it? and shame on the Chicago Sun-Times for keeping him on their payroll. I urge all Sun-Times subscribers to cancel their subs., I will, and that’s a promise. He’s a fucking asshole. P.S. I cancelled last yr., but then I had no papers to read… so I renewed, now I regret it, God help me for I know not how stupid that decision was, what with the internet and all…
http://profile.typekey.com/mainsailset/ mainsailset

Bob, Pete & Victoria may represent a new offshoot of mankind’s evolutionary tree – Who knew that survival of the best liar would produce such a limb? Chainsaws anybody?
ybnormal

OK, open letter to the little childish minds of little Bobby and little Victoria:

Let’s pick up any common dictionary and look up the word “serve” shall we?

OH LOOK! It means to perform a function or duty! Absolutely nothing whatsoever about ‘residing’ or ‘stationed’!

What’s all this fucking god-damned bullshit about convoluted legalistic definitions? I’ve had lawyers tell me that when a common language term, which is what “serve” is, does not have a special definition in a legal document, then the definition is taken as plain common language.

Is it time now to start a class action lawsuit for false advertising, against what USED to be a newspaper known as the Washington Post, for continuing to call itself a newspaper, when in fact it has morphed into an over-stuffed gossip tabloid?
Waiting in Texas

Leahy was just on Olbermann talking about how nobody wanted to talk or testify about Plame until we finally did have hearings and look what we learned from that.”

I figure that Bush, Rove, Cheney and the “others in Karls little off the record club,” are trying to figure out how to make sure something happens that will prohibit these DOJ hearings from taking place. Only thing that would shut that down would be attacking Iran, or God forbid, another attack here. That way, Bush could declare martial law or something similar, so that he and his boy wonder don’t go down in flames.

Payback is gonna be a bitch for all those that are “loyal to the Bushies.”

I hear Abramhoff sentence is going to be reduced because he has been talking quite favorably to the investigators.
Retired

You know, one would think that the D/CIA stating to Congress that Valerie was under cover, or covert, or secretly a fat, lecherous dwarf, or whatever, would kind of end the discussion.

Not for Bob Novak, however, who appears to have deluded himself into thinking that he has more credibility on matters concerning the operations and administration of the CIA than its director. Novak’s recent column sadly reminds me of a local newspaper article about a male hair stylist who, thoroughly dusted with PCP, ripped off his clothes in mid-salon and demanded that both colleagues and customers alike declare him to be the most beautiful creature that they had ever laid eyes on.

Sorry, Bob, but you’re losing this one. It’s time to cut your losses and button it up before your readership becomes limited to those who slavishly slake their thirst for partisan hatred at your brackish trough.
ybnormal

I know, Larry’s post refers to the Sun-Times, but WashPo is printing it too; and who knows how many others in syndication. What the hell, screw the bunch of them!
Waiting in Texas

I read Novaks article and all I could think was “why write this now?” Why not just drop it and move on? Finally, Valerie was able to testify and Hayden confirmed her covert status, so why keep on about this? Is Novakula trying to prove something to someone?
ybnormal

While we’re firing up the torches and sharpening the pitchforks for Novak, let’s all check out Robert Parry’s take on the subject at:
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/032207.html
WBMcGee

the dribs and drabs that i’ve heard from novak leads me to believe he thinks he would have figured out that wilson worked for the cia even without armitage. that’s what’s behind his ‘but she’s in who’s who!’ and ‘she drives to langley!’ and ‘she’s married to joe wilson!’ statements.

ok, so let’s pretend armitage, libby, and the rest of the reckless, mean-sprited a-holes that so carelessly threw around wilson’s name didn’t do what they did. so all novak knows is that amb. wilson was sent, at the behest of the cia, to niger. being a good reporter, ahem, he asks himself ‘why wilson?’ he asks armitage and armitage being a non-blabbermouth douchebag in my alternate universe says ‘it’s pretty common for the cia to send people like amb. wilson on trips like this’ therefore protecting valerie wilson’s identity. novak asks some other administration folks and, again i’m suspending reality and assuming these folks are not the douchebags they are, and they all say similar things. novak wants us to believe that at this point he would have kept digging and came up with the idea of following valerie wilson to work or pulling the ‘brewster & jennings’ string, or something else. why the hell would he do these things? doesn’t he realize that most of our undercover folks, both on the federal level or any other level (thinking undercover cops), are always very close to being compromised. you think an undercover cop trying to infiltrate a drug cartel in the heart of the city doesn’t go home to her husband and kids in the ‘burbs? you think that might give it away that she isn’t who she says she is?

novak and the rest of these clowns have no clue how close many of our undercover folks are to the edge. that’s why it’s a stressful job you dumb f’s! stop watching ‘alias’ and ’24′ and realize that the vast majority of undercover folks are people with families that want to live a normal life while doing important work for the country and for their communities.
ybnormal

BTW – there’s at least one excellent reason for a covert officer to physically go to work at CIA HQ. If you want all your covert work related computer email and spreadsheets and documents to be secure; what better way than ‘inside’ the CIA computer network, as opposed to using a VPN (virtual private network) tunnel through the internet.

Sure would beat getting hacked by web trollers selling info to mortgage lenders, gambling sites, and porn web nets.

See, the thing about VPNs is that they keep the host secure, but the clients are still vulnerable.
mudkitty

It’s like Andrea Mitchell acknowledged on Imus, in reference to her statement that “everyone in Washington knew who she was…”: “I must have been drunk.”
Chris Vosburg

Bob Novak sulks: “These issues were not explored by the only two Republicans who showed up at last week’s hearing. Rep. Tom Davis, the committee’s ranking Republican and former chairman, is a skilled legislator but not prone to roughhouse with Waxman. Unwilling to challenge Plame’s covert status, Davis blamed the CIA instead of the White House for her alleged exposure. The other Republican present — Rep. Lynn Westmoreland, a second-termer from metro Atlanta — seemed awed by the beautiful woman. ”

Bad idea, Bob. These guys and others just as hapless are your reader base, like it or not, and if you turn on them, what do you got? A Very Sad Bob in a Hole He Dug Himself, that’s what. Maybe it’s time to stop digging.

Lynn Westmoreland, by the way, continues to distinguish himself as our Legislature’s Premier Fucking Fool by objecting to Al Gore’s brief presence on the House floor today, claiming it violates the house ethics rule forbidding former congressmen currently working as agents of foreign governments from doing so. Al Gore, by way of reminder, is an occasional unpaid advisor to the British Government on environmental issues.

As helpful bystanders no doubt explained to the clueless congressman, “shut the hell up, moron.”

Me, I say, “Keep talking Lynn! Keep digging Bob!”
Chris Vosburg

WBMcGee writes: “the dribs and drabs that i’ve heard from novak leads me to believe he thinks he would have figured out that wilson worked for the cia even without armitage.”

Yeah, right, [laughing] and Matt Drudge probably thinks he would have broken the Monica Lewinski story even if it hadn’t been spoonfed to him by the Republican elves.
http://profile.typekey.com/scottfinnell/ Little Charlie Beckwith

Larry,
As always, your right on point. This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach. People like you make me feel good about being American, tell ‘ya the truth. I can remember being 10 ft. tall and bulletproof, yet more concerned that able folks were in charge with the health and welfare of my brother troopers. It is this very simple, but important aspect every operator lives and dies with. And this POTUS is rebuilding our intel community? What the fuck over?!? The FBI needs computers, cooperation between FBI, CIA and DOD is at best scarce, when six and a half years after UBL’s attacks we still don’t have it right. WHY? Incompedence? Then how many would want to join our clandstine services? It saddens me greatly that someones family could be in grave danger because a politcal operative played hardball and won’t pay for it. Sorry, just frustrated with the state of our union. Glad to see your still doing CT field problems, your one of the best at it. Hope ‘ya don’t have that pony-tailed hippie role playing for you, god what a funny sight thru a Starlight scope. Just kidding I know he’s highly trained and a hell of a nice guy. Never, ever give up. Fin
taters

Give ‘em hell, Larry!
Great piece.
I wonder if outing undercover police officers involved in drug operations would be every bit as peachy to Novak and those other treasonous cretins? Fred Thompson is talking about possibly running for president – and Mr Law & Order says no wrongdoing was committed. And is already among those seeking a pardon for Libby.

Yes, Retired,I certainly agree – one would think after Gen Hayden’s approved statement re Valerie’s status that matter would be over. I mean,the Cardinals won the World Series last year but I guess according to Novak, I can say my Tigers won because I say so.
You know, Baghdad Bob might have nothing on “Beelezebub” Bob Novak
http://canuckstuckinmuck.blogspot.com Canuck Stuck in Muck

The charitable part of me thinks that maybe these people (e.g. Novak and Toering) are simply uncritical dipsticks who got lucky and made it big. In other words, they’re rich and they have influence, but they’re shitheads at base. Sometimes the realist in me sees them as politically inspired, but radically uncritical, dupes of an ideology. Sometimes I see them as Machiavelian control freaks who like being on the side of the authoritarians. And sometimes I simply see them as assholes. Just, plain, assholes. And wanna know a secret? In the darkest of the night, in the deepest of my soul, I think they’re all of those things. But, mostly, assholes.
Sandy

Ha! I couldn’t have said it better myself, Canuck Stuck in Muck! Thanks for the smile.
http://yohoyohoasailorslifeforme.blogspot.com/ Adm Happy Horatio Hornhonker

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Hey Canuck Stuck in Muck, very fitting for these types.

But even a normal asshole has a sphincter muscle and knows when to slam the chute shut…

That’s why the “colostomy bag” is so fitting for Bob the mouth…

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Up the thread, at 22 March 2007 at 20:27, Retired wrote:

> > Not for Bob Novak, however, who appears to have deluded himself into
> > thinking that he has more credibility on matters concerning the operations
> > and administration of the CIA than its director.

There is no delusion connected to Bob Novak’s reason behind his crap. He’s a party pundit hack for these current scumbags!

Always has been, and always will be.

The following snippets are from Amy Sullivan’s 2004 Washington Monthly article:

: : How Novak created his own ethics-free zone.

: : For about as long as Novak has been a first-string Washington pundit and raconteur,
: : after all, he’s been dealing in factual mistakes, ethical slips, and personal attacks that
: : would have done in a less well-positioned journalist. Today, he thrives thanks largely
: : to his prominence, his independence, and the clubby support of a media elite whose
: : standards he openly mocks. Novak has created for himself a Cayman Islands like, ethics
: : free zone where the normal rules simply don’t apply.

: : In August, when the members of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth went after John Kerry,
: : Novak used his column and television appearances to hype their claim that Kerry had
: : lied his way into receiving: medals in Vietnam, and flacked their book, Unfit for Command,
: : with a glowing review. When Novak attended a party at Morton’s Steakhouse in downtown
: : Washington to celebrate the book’s success, he was joined by the director of marketing for
: : its publisher, Regnery Publishing: his son, Alex Novak.

: : In the six years that Alex has been in charge of promoting Regnery products, Novak has
: : positively reviewed at least four Regnery books for conservative magazines and has favorably
: : mentioned others in his column and on his television shows—all without disclosing his
: : relationship to the publishing house.

: : Less than a week before the 2004 election, Novak resuscitated one of his favorite charges—
: : that Democrats steal elections. He hit the note regularly after Mary Landrieu narrowly defeated
: : Woody Jenkins to win Louisiana’s open Senate seat in 1996, even though a congressional
: : investigation dismissed similar charges. And he has repeatedly claimed that “the Indians” stole
: : South Dakota’s 2002 Senate election “by stuffing ballot boxes.” Novak made the comment
: : again on “The Capital Gang” in October, months after South Dakota’s Republican governor
: : had called his charges “ignorant” and the state Republican party chair deemed his statements
: : “appalling” and “insane.” It’s a case, his friend and colleague Mark Shields observed to me, of
: : Novak “toeing the party line even when it ceases to be the party line.”

: : Reagan budget director David Stockman found the fiscally conservative columnist a willing
: : ally in the effort to win supporters for supply-side economics. In his memoir, Stockman wrote
: : that he considered Novak’s column his “billboard” while he was in the White House.

: : Novak just shrugs, having lost interest in this subject. “I don’t think we’ve ever printed
: : anything that really did any damage to someone.” George McGovern might disagree with that
: : assessment. In 1972, his politics were famously derided as about “acid, amnesty, and abortion.”
: : The description first appeared in a Novak column as an anonymous quote from a Democratic
: : senator, but its veracity was immediately contested and many believe that the quote was
: : fabricated. Novak himself told a reporter from Cox News last year that this was probably when
: : the column was first dubbed “Errors and No Facts.”

He’d screw over his ol’ lady for a paycheck!

Adm HHH

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DeeLoralei

Great post Larry! I keep asking myself when the laws against libel and slander start to kick in. One would hope, after the DCI said she was covert, and she swore she was covert, then it would become commonly accepted knowledge that she probably actually was covert. Why won’t they drop this meme? I think the only things needed to prove libel and slander is 1 to know it’s untrue, and 2 to have some malice in repeating the untruth.

Please let me hear of a new law suit by the Wilson’s.
Mr.Murder

Eventually you’ll have to employ partisan factions within the agency to provide plausible cover at all times.

If someone has not already done that effectively.

Oh, the CIA already did that. It was called the NOC.
Diane

How do these people even function?
They are obviously so self absorbed, viscious, mad and delusional, you would think that they would look like raving lunatics on the street. Or on TV.
Oh wait. Bob Novack actually has, Same for Bill O. Whoops, Shawn too and Glenn and Rush and ANN and don’t forget Malicious Malkin.
OK so all’s right in the world and we can pick them out! Tom Delay and that Inhofe guy…
MEP

OT

Is there anyone else out there wrinkling their nose over the breaking story of 15 Royal Marines captured by the Iranians off the Shat Al Arab? Combined with the reports of the Turks mobilizing along the Northern Iraqi border…..WTF?
JM

Well, if I may get all psychoanalytical for a second: I think that part of the reason that Novakula is still peddling his bullshit about Plame and her cover status is that, at some deep level in his addled brain, he actually realizes that he’s played a significant role in damaging US national security.

I think that he regrets it, and is trying prove to himself that he’s not really at fault.
MEP

JM
I think you are being kind and over analytical. Show me one time in the past 6 1/2 yrs that Bob has been out of lock step with the Bushies/Neacons? It is all scripted. He is not talking to me or you. He recieves his script and he preaches to the Rightwing choir. Much of this is an attempt to further befundle the weak minded 30% to slow the defection rate.
MEP

befundle??? befuddle???? Hell, you get the drift. Now you know why I always tried to date a senior english major.
JM

MEP, yeah, I can’t really argue with you on that; I suppose it’s just that I find it difficult to accept that when someone finds their integrity so deeply mired in muck, that they wouldn’t do something to save even a shred of it.

But then again, I get paid a lot less than Novak does…
MEP

JM
Damn Bubba you are kind….giving him credit for ever having integrity. For me the lesson from the Novaks of the world is just how deeply our media has been compromised and now controlled. Roll back 10 15 or 20 yrs. Would you have ever believed that a paper of record would ever have published such obvious shit? and continue to employ and defend the author?
MEP

JM

I don’t mean to pick on you.It’s just that you really hit one of my exposed nerves. Expecting truth and integrity out of our current MSM is like playing the tables in South Mississippi back in the 60s and 70s when it was illegal and gee……FIXED. We keep wanting to believe that our voices will get a fair hearing. The tables belong to the HOUSE, the cards and dice are supplied by the HOUSE. The local law is appionted by….you guessed it the HOUSE. There are a few exceptions but damn few.
http://yohoyohoasailorslifeforme.blogspot.com/ Adm Happy Horatio Hornhonker

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If anyone is looking for a lame excuse for this water carrier for the current scumbags … look no further than the Patriot Act and the “national security letters.”

Maybe “poor Bob” has been issued one or more of the 140,000 “national security letters” under the threat of criminal prosecution that has directed him to shut his pie-hole on the specific true facts behind this case and be a good little soldier and march in lockstep with the rest of this fascist regime.

Read on: My National Security Letter Gag Order (http://preview.tinyurl.com/2nrakz)

Adm HHH

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JM

MEP, I don’t feel picked on, and I share your frustration with the current completely sold-out nature of the MSM. It’s largely why I simply don’t watch cable or network news anymore.

I suppose that I’m simply baffled about the extent to which the whole Plame issue revolved around legalities and technicalities, seemingly without any consideration of the consequences of what had happened: a covert network of intelligence-gathering and carefully cultivated human assets, focused on preventing nuclear proliferation, had been blown by guys supposedly on our team.

At the end of the day, it baffles me that the people involved are able to sleep at night. And at some level, perhaps I like to imagine that they don’t. But they probably do, soundly.
http://profile.typekey.com/MaxPrejean/ MEP

JM

Yes it all seems Spockish..highly illogical. Unless the true intent was to stop and destroy the covert network. If you own the table, provide the cards….? Check out the possible links between Brewster Jennings efforts and who its success might have damaged and exposed. The Sibel Edmonds case appears to dovetail into the whole mess. In an interview she stated that she had never come across V. Plame doing translations but she had crossed Brewster Jennings. If you give any weight to some of the speculation that the Dukestirs crowd was also involved in things other than providing office furniture you begin to establish a basis for those who think the only target of the US Attny purge was Carol Lam, the other 7 were used as smoke. As I have admitted to on past posts. I don’t have any answers but I know longer believe in the Tooth Fairy, the obvious and coincidences. If there is one thing that the Bushco crowd has proven to be good at is being opprotunistic at manipulation of how things are presented. They have been really slipping at this game as of late, but they have managed to smoke screen a really large pile of shit. We could smell it but visibility was limited.
http://jep-betweenthelines.blogspot.com JEP

Could Novak just be desperately trying to defer everyone away from the fact that he committed a felony?

Now that it is “official” that Plame was covert and her identity was protected, what choice do they have (Novak, Toensing, et al) but to deny the truth of her status, they can’t admit that they were wrong, because it is an admission of guilt.

So “The Big Lie” is perpetuated, and “some of the people all of the time” continue to be fooled, like domestic abuse victims returning again and again to their abusers.
MEP

JEP

Yes, Bulbous Bob and Vicious Vicky are now exposed to possible legal blowback. It would be nice to see them both toasted like marshmellows. I just hope that in our lusting for justice we don’t lose track as to who/why coaxed these two stinking asses to so willingly slither so far out on a thin limb. These people are slime…etc but they are only the bullhorns, not the authors.
nellieh

While reading these comments,a thought came to mind. Rare for me! Until the growth of political blogs all we had was the WaPo, NY Times, LA Times, the networks and cable news. It seems like a lot, but it was a lot of bullshit. Like Novak’s latest crap about Gates and Plame. He can’t possibly recognize himself for what he is. Larry and previous commenters have described and determined that. Now when the MSM screws up or reports bullshit, the bloggers are on their asses like makeup on Toensing, a toupe on DeGenova or flies on Novak. As a result they reluctantly correct themselves. The NY Times is still pissed off they didn’t get the Walter Reed story that they still hardly mention it. But in the end, Novak, Toensing are getting smaller and smaller and less relevant and will soon disappear.
blog

Novak’s behavior seems to prove that he was knowingly complicit in the comspiracy to expose Plame. If this is so, he should be indicted and tried.
KET

Right you are about an undercover/covert not being able to trust the government of the country he or she works for because of the political use of classified information. Something that used to be illegal, called “treason.”

For Mr. Bob Johnson: I’m hoping you know what you’re talking about but the 1911 .45 (Browning) was specifically designed not to fire when pressed against anything.

Thank you, “Larry,” for your Web site.
Sandy

Wow! If you didn’t see Bill Maher’s Real Time tonight on HBO, you must make a point to see it — esp. his closing remarks. Eloquent!

He spent most of the time defending Valerie and Joe Wilson, talking about what patriots they are, how they’ve been wronged, how it is
T-R-E-A-S-O-N, etc. etc. I was cheering….and clapping….and stomping my feet! WOW!

And, the expression on David Frum’s face (on the panel tonight) when he was finished….. PRICELESS!!!

All of you here — really MUST see it!
http://profile.typekey.com/cz85b/ cz85b

“Well you , ever hear of the Scooter Libby trial?”

I have to ask if Mr. Johnson learned his linguistics at an institute of higher learning.. I have not read his work before, and, if I have to read it in the future, I am sure it will not be an enjoyable experience.

Now, the question he posed to Mr. Novak regarding the Scooter Libby Trial, seems to be way out of place.. OK, let’s say, that he had no idea what happened at the trial…

What, Mr. Johnson, are you trying to suggest happened at the Scooter Libby trial? Are you suggesting that the trial proved that somebody “leaked” Plame’s name? We know who it was, It was Richard Armetage… Is HE in jail? Was he indicted? If he is the source of the “leak” why is this not the case?

EXPLAIN WHY ARMETAGE is not in leg irons if, as you suggest, a crime took place.. I am VERY confused how you can arrive at any conclusion other than Libby LIED to the FBI, tried to obstruct justice, and lied to the grand jury… While it was not brought up that Libby had no lawyer when questioned for 8 straight hours, it follows that it was ALSO not brought up that he probably had no clue what he said in the first hour, let alone weeks or months previous…

The issue goes beyond Plame? explain this.. According to Fitzgerald, this issue did not go beyond Scooter Lying under oath… This issue did not, according to the prosecutor, even include Plame.

Your statement is not grounded in fact, it is grounded in suposition.

If you want to discuss something, why don’t you discuss how republians and democrats in congress are trying to put people on a list for daring to contact their “representative”??

Do real issues scare you that much?

Ciao, CZ
mudkitty

CZ – It’s called an immunity deal.