Rightwing Incites Violence?

Geezzzzzzzzzzz, I was convinced yesterday that Sarah was to blame!

Should it not then also be illegal for the fraud to call the American public who aren’t pregressives/iberals – enemies?  To tell Latinos to fight their enemies?  To tell his believers if they bring a knife, we bring a gun – there’s more…………..

BTW – the symbol on Palin’s map was a SURVEYOR’S symbol – ya know surveying the landscape – of course, that subtle inference is way over the heads of those ivy league college educated elitists – they have no common sense and cannot understand a simple statement – if it’s not some convoluted bunch of BS – they don’t get it…………..

This shit will backfire on them – OMG – the violence of it all
BTW – is this another way to create more trough suckers for the taxpayers – guards for congress?

IMO – the fraud and his Chicago way have been in the forefront of this thuggery – started long ago – go back and read up on how the fraud rigged his way from the beginning to Pres – not a pretty story but then he’s not a pretty person – inside or outside………………..

Agreed! The moment such a law is passed, we will have legitimate reason to lock up most of the MSM, radical leftists, and almost every single regular poster at Huffpoo and Daily Koss. The only drawback is that we’ll have to quadruple our current prison capacity to accommodate the new hate speech violators who represent the majority of the malicious left wing. Got any cell mates in mind Jackie?  

What about Holder calling us all cowards? That kinda hurt, didn’t it?

Rap should be stopped immediately. Rap music is what incites violence. God, the left has lost its friggin mind.

Hey, thanks for duplicating all of my posts Jackie! I’m honored that you feel they’re worth repeating!   Unless, of course, you reprint them due to some psychological problem that compels you to do so. If that’s the case, you have my sympathy, I’m sure God has a good reason for afflicting you so.

What makes you think that the left ever had a mind to lose?

Mistrust of government was Loughner’s defining conviction, the friends said. He believed the U.S. government was behind 9/11.

Van Jones must be devastated.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gutbUc8KWEv3iMUewPN445D4uSYw?docId=c09a07a17e1b4aaa82815779cbf6f758

OK another blog deleted. I am sorry to see you go. Ypu could have condemned Palin’s cross hairs and Olbermann equally but you chose not to. Bye.

By contrast, FBI agent Tony Taylor argues that Roll was at the event to talk to Giffords about ongoing problems related to a surge in the federal judicial caseload in Arizona–a problem which the judge has attributed to a boost in the number of federal agents sent to the area to address immigration and border-related crime.

The actions and motivations of U.S. District Court Judge John Roll just before he was shot dead at Rep. Gabrielle Giffords‘s campaign event in Tucson on Saturday are important for the public narrative about the tragedy, but they’re also vital to the federal criminal charge for his murder.
The criminal complaint federal prosecutors filed Sunday against the alleged shooter, Jared Loughner, goes to some lengths to demonstrate that Roll didn’t show up at the Giffords event just to say hello to the congresswoman, or on some whim after attending mass, as reports Saturday suggested. That storyline was fueled by Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, who said “because [Roll] knows Gabrielle very well, [he] came around the corner to say hi. Unfortunately he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.”
Judge’s final actions key to federal charge for his murder   http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/0111/Judges_final_actions_key_to_federal_charge_for_his_murder.html   —————— This is being reported on Drudge Report. Not sure how credible it is, but has sources to cite to back it up, not that it means anyone in today’s media!

Well, the ‘glass half full’ way of looking at these assassination attempts is that they failed. As vicious as the left is, they can’t seem to shake off their well documented incompetence. They’re the gang that can’t, and never will, shoot straight.

Well, the ‘glass half full’ way of looking at these assassination attempts is that they failed. As vicious as the left is, they can’t seem to shake off their well documented incompetence. They’re the gang that can’t, and never will, shoot straight.

And please, a ‘straight shooter’ is just another harmless metaphor. I’m not now, nor will I ever, encourage all those left wing assassins to improve their marxmanship, (yes, I know it’s spelled marksmanship, but I thought MY spelling was more appropriate for the leftists) so don’t ‘drag me over the coals’ (another potentially violent metaphor?) for my comment. It’s just gallows humor (damn, how did so many violent metaphors saturate our vernacular?) and it is not meant to push anyone over the edge. (there I go again)  

Wow! Palin managed to induce mental illness in a person she didn’t know.

She also managed to have him get past FBI checks, buy him a gun and direct him to shoot people.

Oh wait. She didn’t do any of that.  It’s still her fault.

Signed Terminal PDS Sufferers

P.S. We also believe everything else bad is Hillary’s fault as well. She has ovaries does she not?.  Did we mention we’re feminists?

Who are they blaming today, is it going to be   
Rush, Beck, Hannity, O’Reilly, Levin or maybe  
it was the devil made me do it defense.  
 
The only one responsible for this crime is  
Jared Loughner and the inner workings of his sick mind.  
There needs to be some personal accountability here.  
 
The Liberals want to know why, so they  
point fingers at there competitors  in  
the hopes that it will stick.  
 
This crime, was cruel, heartless and painful  
and trying to further your political agenda on it  
just makes you part of the problem and not part  
of the solution.

lmao!

There has been a lot of rhetoric in the last few years from different sources.
The we need to take back our country theme. People like M. Bachman stating we need to be armed and dangerous.

Indviduals showing up to democrat rallies (legally) armed.

Sharon Angle talking up  second ammendment remedies.
http://www.examiner.com/democrat-in-las-vegas/sharron-angle-second-amendment-remedies

“You know, our Founding Fathers, they put that Second Amendment in there for a good reason and that was for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government. And in fact, Thomas Jefferson said it’s good for a country to have a revolution every 20 years.”
“I hope that’s not where we’re going, but, you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying, ‘my goodness what can we do to turn this country around?’ I’ll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out.”
And during an interview with the Reno Gazette-Journal last month, Sharron Angle said “it’s almost an imperative” that conservatives win. “The nation is arming,” she said. “What are they arming for if it isn’t that they are so distrustful of their government? They’re afraid they’ll have to fight for their liberty in more Second Amendment kinds of ways. That’s why I look at this as almost an imperative. If we don’t win at the ballot box, what will be the next step?”

They arn’t talking about having tea and scones here.

Of course they wouldn’t shut down the machines on a Congresswoman! You don’t think that they will ever be treated like the rest of us do you? Seriously?

Pima Country Sherrif Clarence Dupnik seems to have an agenda beyond enforcing the law and catching the “bad” guy. Just what this incident needed was one more loud mouth spewing crap!

Larry:  I realize your call for a zero-tolerance law to prohibit verbal threats to public servants is motivated by a desire to to do good, but it wasn’t hate speech that killed these people and wounded others, it was a young man with a history of instability who never should have been allowed to own or have access to a gun.  And even when we disarm people like him, there’s no guarantee of anyone’s complete safety from their violent acts. 

This may sound like a goofy comparison, but maybe it will make my point:  I consulted with a well-known coffee retailer whose company mission statement read like something from the land of gum drops, unicorns and good fairies.  I’m not sure who wrote it, but it was the most utopian bit of nonsense I’d ever seen — and I’ve seen a lot of these sorts of mission statements.  In an inverted manner, it basically quashed any employee’s right to be concerned or upset about anything in their working environment and exhorted employee’s to “get along.”  It accomplished 2 things very well.  First, it drove every “bad” feeling any employee had about anything, underground.  And it made for the most bizarre workplace environment I’d ever encountered.  In meetings, in casual interaction, it was like working with a bunch of dittoheads who were afraid to think for themselves and doubly afraid to say anything that might be construed as disgruntlement, lest they be passed over for promotions and raises.  And secondly, it caused the opposite problem in which people competed with their coworkers to say only “good” and “nice” things.  This behavior was eerily similar to some I’d seen in China. 

It’s not right to threaten violence or death to anyone.  I would rather that we, as a society, get a handle on our own adult actions and raise up our kids with real respect for the feelings of others than to try to replace morality with more laws that endanger our 1st Amendment rights; the first of our most basic freedoms.

I think the failure, as is so often the case, is in the people around this guy and the any public servants who came into contact with him not doing what they may have instinctively done had they not been “following the law” in the first place. 

Another thought:  Why should public servants have any greater rights under the law to personal protection from threats of violence than the average American woman whose ex-husband, boyfriend or stranger stalker announces to anyone who will listen that they intend to kill her when the liklihood of that happening is statistically a fait accompli? 

Interesting you should say that, owllwoman.  My thoughts, too.  The left wanted to flood the message with a lie and play their usual offensive game.

Oh, get a grip, junior. Rhetoric can urge people to commit violent acts but cannot “cause” violent acts. Speech does not kill; people kill. This is how we get stupid laws on the books–people don’t know how to reason effectively and think if it sounds like good idea, it must be a good idea. So we now have laws against every sort of social ill and people like you think it will stop those ills. I’m here to clue you in–these laws don’t work and represent runaway legislators jumping through their arses to demonstrate to the public that they are doing something. In this case, doing nothing would be better than something.

Thanks for the shout out, Larry.  I appreciate it!  And right back at ya – great post!  Thank you for highlighting this absurdity.

It is this sort of shoot-from-the-hip legislation that gets us into so much fucking trouble.  
 
The Last Refuge of Scoundrels Act is a prime example of wrong response from a legislative body trying to show it was on the ball. Look at all the godd that POS did us.  
 
Stepping back from liberal/progressive knee-jerk responses is what is needed right now.

It is this sort of shoot-from-the-hip legislation that gets us into so much fucking trouble.    
   
The Last Refuge of Scoundrels Act is a prime example of wrong response from a legislative body trying to show it was on the ball. Look at all the good that POS did for us. We’re no safer now than we were then but are spending a lot of money on useless crap.
   
Stepping back from liberal/progressive knee-jerk responses is what is needed right now

If I, for instance, say that I’d like to kick my U.S. Senator in the shins, will I be sentenced to a greater punishment than one who advocates rapping him across the knuckles with a wooden ruler?  
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I agree with you on this one. Prior restraint is an anathema to a free society. We need less laws in number and more enforcement of existing (and fewer) laws.

And as to Frum’s comments, everything Limbaugh and Levin are accused of saying is inconveniently true.  Obama obviously has great problems with people who don’t agree with him. He distrusts them and certainly favors one group over another.  I thought he was supposed to be President of all Americans.  How naive of me!

You are correct, AA–we don’t need to create a separate class of laws for government officials. The current laws ought to be good enough.

And if you want to read, or hear, ugly hate-filled rhetoric all you need to do is turn to the pages of the New York Times and their favorite “economist” aka Krugman the Krazy.

The Climate of Krugman
The Paper of Record hits rock bottom.
 
Link: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=41085

Did you see the Democratic Party’s “crosshairs” from 2004? 

No, guess not.

Buh-bye. We won’t miss you since you haven’t contributed anything. 

I had to come back to post one last thing–this “vitriol” is a god damn symptom and not a cause of violence, opinions of slack-jawed obamabots notwithstanding.

It is a symptom of an out-of-control lying bureaucracy run by lying politicians who are paid by us (and paid under the table by those with agenda that don’t coincide with that of the electorate) and who piss on our collective legs all the while ensuring us that it is only the rain.

If self-serving politicians want more civility in public discourse–then they should insist that their fwlloe politicians start telling the truth and that if they don’t, THEY will be jailed as the criminals THEY are. Politicians want to stifle the public’s speech–fine. Let’s make sure the politicians speak truth upon pain of imprisonment. They can’t have it both fucking ways.

I had to come back to post one last thing–this “vitriol” is a god damn symptom and not a cause of violence, opinions of slack-jawed obamabots notwithstanding.  
 
It is a symptom of an out-of-control lying bureaucracy run by lying politicians who are paid by us (and paid under the table by those with agenda that don’t coincide with that of the electorate) and who piss on our collective legs all the while ensuring us that it is only the rain.  
 
If self-serving politicians want more civility in public discourse–then they should insist that their fellow politicians start telling the truth and that if they don’t, THEY will be jailed as the criminals THEY are. Politicians want to stifle the public’s speech–fine. Let’s make sure the politicians speak truth upon pain of imprisonment. They can’t have it both fucking ways.

We had assassinations and violence long before Internet, talk radio or 24 hour news.

If they pass a law like this,can we then assume that no more black panthers with nightsticks will patrol our voting stations?

Well, HARP, an unintended consequence of a potential law on “vitriolic” speech could be an end to black panthers and anti-semites such as Jeremiah “Goddamn America” Wright. He could be jailed for outright cause.

As a matter of fact, liberation theologians everywhere would be hauled off in droves with good cause. You obamabots and progressives really ought to think the process through to its conclusion before you act. What Morons.

Surveyor symbols from the Democrats in 2004….You knew this was going to be discovered, didn’t you? 

This isn’t new; nothing that is happening is new. I remember MLK being shot, Kennedy, George Wallace, Kent State. That all happened in about a 2 year period, didn’t it? Pat Buchanan reminded everyone of that this morning, since Joe and Mika couldn’t shut up their sanctimonious moralizing. 

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253055&kaid=127&subid=171

Mr. Natural, a “reticule” is a purse, or handbag. The term is from the Regency days in England, and was used not only in England, but in the US as well. Godey’s Lady’s Book used to put out patterns for reticules, as did other ladies’ publications and magazines. So the word “reticule” is not interchangeable with “reticle”.

I could be wrong, but I recall hearing that EA recalled the game after all the controversy. Sorry but I pay attention to that since I have grandchildren who are into video games.
 Another point: I am confused. I believe there are already laws on the books making it illegal to threaten anyone. Why would we need a specific new law covering only politicians? Would it be anymore effective than the ones currently in place? I am afraid that the law would fall victim to the same problem that current such laws do and be called a violation of free speech.
 In the case of the Arizona shooter, I do wonder if perhaps there should be an easier way to report people who present such a disturbed persona.  In this case there appears to be documented evidence that there was a problem. I said last night to my husband that the parents need to be held at least partially responsible. He pointed out that the shooter is 22. The thing is the mother apparently had something to do with much earlier charges being knocked down from felony to misdemeanor charges. In the end she did neither her son or herself any favors by doing this. I have not heard anything about him going into rehab for a drug problem. Maybe I’m strange, but I have always told my kids that if they get into trouble they will pay the consequences and they know I mean it. I have also told them that they need to do their best in school and now the first two to apply for college have been accepted early decision by the first choice school, hard school to get into too. The older of the two is on dean’s list at the university. I find that you reap what you sow. I like the results.

I agree that the parents knew, but tey were given an outlet by law when this kid got into trouble a few years before and they took it. Reading the descriptions I can clearly see that there were emotional and other problems evident, but here we go, sometime medical insurance will not cover proper treatment. Many insurance companies get away with setting limits on psychiatric care at 30 days. This kid was 22. There is no sign he had a job that would have covered him before now if he had been committed and income limits are placed by states on who they will pay to cover, From what I can see he was only charged twice with any offenses so a three strikes law would not have caught him yet and we cannot blame judges. I do start to wonder if perhaps the parents were afraid of him. If that was the case they might have just found it less threatening to not confront him. I don’t know, I don’t understand it. As I posted above, I have raised my children that they are responsible for their own actions and will face the music. At the same time I am also providing a strong example for them  and I like who they are.

Here is what is going on in Congress regarding the shootings..one new law to be proposed, health care vote postponed,  and resolutions for the dead and wounded.

“Rep. Robert Brady, D-Pennsylvania, said he will introduce legislation making it a federal crime for a person to use language or symbols that could be perceived as threatening or inciting violence against a member of Congress or a federal official.
Following the shootings, all legislation on the House schedule for the coming week was postponed, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor said. The decision was made by leaders of both parties and means the House will not vote this week on the repeal of health care reform.
Democratic Whip Steny H. Hoyer said lawmakers will consider at least one resolution on the House floor Wednesday honoring Giffords and those who were killed in Saturday’s attack.”

I wonder how far the new law will infringe on our rights of free speech? And will it put a muzzle on people like Olberman who wanted to take Hillary into a back room and have only one person come out?

Exactly!  Well said AbigailAdams!

Noogan,

Thank you—-I’ve been trying to make this point all along.  I am angry that this arguing about “hate speech” from the left or from the right has distracted us all from the real issues that need to be addressed.

Larry is right that our political representatives need to be protected somehow.  The way to do that in my opinion is to start working on ways to track people who are obviously unbalanced mentally and to prevent them from obtaining weapons. 

I know that some will argue that such a tracking system can be abused by sources who deliberately put someone on the list for political reasons.  But psychiatrists should be involved with this system, not politicians.  Others should just have the right to ask that a person be evaluated to determine if he/she needs to be put on the list—such as this community college could have done if such a system were in place.

Noogan:  There is no decency in it.  The leader of the Democrat party is now politicizing and exploiting this event to further his own agenda.  There are no words.

Nonetheless, several manufacturers of optical equipment (transits, theodolites and one Japanese telescope maker) have treated it thusly.

Their mistake.

“Reticule,” most correctly translates as what we who do not carry one would call a, “clutch,” as opposed to the satchel Kyra Sedgwick lugs around on, “The Closer.”   

I really don’t believe that hate speech incites violence. Many people seem to believe that we’re all sponges, glued to our TV’s, and working ourselves up into a frenzy. We do, we get high blood pressure and we fire off some letters to the editor, but this idea that we’re all homicidal maniacs with a short fuse, is just ridiculous. There’s an attitude, mostly coming from the left, that Americans are dangerous and prone to violence. It’s all wrapped up in this victim blaming, this excusing the perps. He wouldn’t have done it if he hadn’t had a bad childhood, hadn’t listened to talk radio, haedn’t been exposed to people that set him off.

If you’ve ever worked with crime victims, with domestic violence, you learn real quick that there is not a damn thing anybody can do to stop some people. The victim can’t walk on eggshells and play soothing music to stop the violence. Some people have mental health issues, other people have this narcissistic belief that they are entitled to treat others any way they want. It has nothing to do with whether or not they played with toy guns as a child or listened to heavy metal music or watched Fox news.

The “one” who brought you violence. Is now the “one” who preaches against it.  This Line comes to mind. “”YOU DANCE WITH THE ONE WHO BRUNG YOU”" Interesting how the AZ shooter mentioned MIND CONTROL. What do you think about the below subliminal messages, that were spoken directly out of the mouth of “OBAMA”? Again- Dance with the one who brung you” -EVIL

** Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
** Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“
** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
** Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
** Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
** Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”

Of course. 

If one’s great-grandfather didn’t get 40 acres and a mule from Mister Lincoln (sic), any speech or anti-social behavior is exempt from scrutiny.

What? I’m not clear on what you mean that they were “given an outlet by law when this kid got into trouble a few years before and they took it.”

Doesn’t it seem obvious that if your college-age kid, aged 22, has no friends, spends all of his time alone on the computer, isn’t attending classes at the community college, and has run-ins with the law, even if they are misdemeanors, that you should wonder about his stability? 

It sure does to me. And, if you don’t have insurance, so that’s your excuse, then I guess you have to live with yourself. It’s like the parents of the 2 Columbine killers, both also disturbed. No one seemed to know what their own children were doing or thinking. No one ever took the time to find out. 

Throw up your hands, just shrug and say, “I didn’t know.” 

Uh, okay. But, I don’t buy that you didn’t have a responsibility to know. 

Was just reminded this morning that in October of 2010 that Obama threatened the Jonas Brothers with drone strikes if they had any thoughts about his daughters.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/05/03/obama_drone_joke_jonas_brothers

I agree, Linda, it is a very slippery slope, ‘the perception of a threat.’  In fact, it’s reminiscent of the arguments about what constitutes obscenity [I know it when I see it]. 

On the other hand, as individuals whether online, broadcasters on TV, radio and certainly public officials have a duty, a responsibility to consider what they say and the way they say it.  That consideration, thinking before we speak or penning particularly vicious articles [which has been done on the Left and Right] isn’t crimping Free Speech but simply being responsible.  There’s a stark difference between a freedom and license.  Words have power.  And skilled propaganda can invite all matter of chaos, particularly for the unhinged in a world of media saturation, 24/7 talking heads, Internet, Twitter, etc., etc.

If the events of this past weekend curb, even temporarily, the overheated rhetoric, I for one will welcome the change.  The very fact we [the public at large] and many journalists and pols are discussing and debating the idea is a good thing in my mind. Too bad it took a tragedy to spark the discussion. 

Thanks for that reminder. 

Yeah, Dock, and WHERE was the outrage when Meg Whitman was called a “Whore” by the new leftist Governor of Cali, Jerry Brown? 


But Remember These guys? The Black Panthers, Obama invited one of them to the WHITE HOUSE afterward? Atty Gen. Eric Holder refused to prosecute them?!

“We didn’t come out here to play this game. There’s too much serious business going on in the black community to be out here sliding through South Street with white dirty cracker whore [ BLEEP ] on our arms. And we call ourselves black men with African garb on. What the hell is wrong with you, black man? You had a (unintelligible) with a white girl on your damn arm. You want freedom? You are going to have to kill some crackers. You might have to kill some of their babies.” 

Just found this, too.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/g-starr/4473513234/in/photostream/

Somebody please take a screenshot of it (including the comments) because I don’t know how

If you’re committed to a psychiatric unit at the local hospital–most hospitals have them, and they’re locked units with Doctors, Psychiatrists, Nurses, etc– for 72-hours under the Baker Act, which is the law in most states, most insurance pays for it. Hospitals offer payment schedules if you don’t have insurance. 

You’re misunderstanding my last comment about responsibility to know; I mean Loughner’s parents had a responsibility to know what he was doing. It doesn’t take much, a brief conversation can give one an indication of paranoid thoughts, loose associations, bizarre thinking. And, if your 22-year-old has NO FRIENDS ever calling or visiting, and has virtually no social life to speak of, it’s a pretty good sign there’s something wrong. 

I’m certainly not impugning YOUR relationship with your children, or their stabiity. You seem like a pretty involved and aware parent and grandparent to me. You’d likely KNOW if one of your family was disturbed or unstable. 

Loughner  
 
Commentary Magazine,  
by John Podhoretz     
 
Original Article  
 
1/10/2011  
 
And so the story appears to grow more and more murky and complicated. A high-school friend tells Mother Jones that Loughner’s mother is/was Jewish; he acted in ways that terrified people in his immediate vicinity in the months before the shootings; he had obsessions with grammar and lucid dreaming and the notion that the world around us is an illusion. He may, in other words, have found his intellectual solace not in political ideology of any sort but rather in the false-reality fantasies of writers like Philip K. Dick…..

 Every “social” sight I belong to, they are blaming Sara Palin, right wing nuggets, and the Republican party.   Anytime I comment that we dont WHY the shooter did it.  15 women jump on me. All with basically the same response.  ‘ Hate speach” incites these people. 

Blaming the blab shows for this kind of crime is BS.

Let the record show that Gabby Giffords has been staunchly opposed to Obama Admin NASA budget cuts–and that she voted for civil rights vet Georgia Congressman John Lewis over Pelosi for Dem Minority leader. 

As a Dem who worked for George McGovern vs Nixon in 1972, and a supporter of the 1st Amendment, I find odious, many MSM pundits’ suggestion that vigorous criticism of a Pres. is to be discouraged –and viewed as incitement to violence.

I wish President Obama’s early retirement–not harm to his person.

And in this environment the Secret Service needs to to be beefed up.

The President–like the members of Congress–got his job through various political, intelligence, and financial community connections.

And as they say “Guns don’t kill politicians, intelligence and financial community agencies do…”

I’ve seen him on TV before.  He totally disagrees with the measures being taken by Gov. Brewer and the legislature to get the problems with illegal immigration under control in their state.  He strikes me as a real illegal sympathizer, and that motivated his totally irresponsible comments yesterday.

Schoolmates of the alleged shooter describe Loughner as a loner, an ultra-liberal with a penchant for hard rock music, flag burning, and pot smoking…

Even more curious are Loughner’s ‘heroes.’ He mentions by name Venezuelan Communist Hugo Chavez, Latin American Communist mass-murderer Che Guevara, American Socialist revolutionary Saul Alinsky, and even Barack Obama.

From his Facebook Page Loughner listed this group of radicals who inspire him:

People who inspire him include Barack Obama, Saul Alinsky, Fidel Castro, Che Guevara, Huo Chavez, Noam Chomsky, Mao Tse-tung, Joseph Stalin, and Yassir Arafat

http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/

One of the problems of our political discourse, is that we no longer  actually argue policy.  Some of our problems are too complicated and too boring for everyday people who are just too busy living.  It’s also not attention-getting enough for the media.  So, the debate has devolved into emotional appeals using disinformation and propaganda. 

The health care debate, past and present, is an excellent example.
Instead of determining whether or not it “bends the curve” on costs or improves quality, more time was spent on spreading fear with talk of death panels and pulling the plug on grandma.  Additionally, if you can’t diminish an opponent’s argument, diminish the opponent with a personal attack.  Everybody hates communists, so call your opponent a Marxist.  I don’t know, maybe he say he wants to destroy America.

Of course, these methods carry risk.  Fear and anger can push the mentally unstable over the edge.  Those employing these techniques are not only being intellectually dishonest, they also must assume some responsibility for the consequences. 

“The false-reality fantasies of writers like Philip K. Dick . . . ”

We live in a world in which an absurd and ludicrous production like “Inception” dazzles millions into thinking they’ve witnessed something profound (the 3rd highest rated movie EVER on IMDB) . . .

Some people are just really nuts.  They don’t need hate speech coming across the media to set them off.  There are voices in the ether coming across the astral plane that are always feeding them incitements . . .

amplified by drug abuse

Blaming Sarah Palin for this nut case shooter is just as ridiculous as me saying the shooter was egged on by comments made on the DailyKOS website a few days ago.  I am so disgusted at all, left and right, who try to score political points off these horrific murders and the attempted assassination of one of our public servants.  My God, what is our country becoming?  We bicker and we fight, we insult and we disrespect our fellow citizens.  Wouldn’t we all be much happier if we could let go of the hate?  

Dupnik totally disagrees with the way Gov. Brewer and members of the state legislature are trying to deal with the problem of illegal immigration in their state.  I’ve seen him on TV before, and I am sure he is a liberal.  I think that is what motivated his totally irresponsible comments yesterday.

Boys will be boys . . .

you are on the wrong blog if 15 people jumped on you about Palin.  Go elsewhere for gab.

Noogan…no shit.  I was wondering the same thing.

good grief, now they are just manufacturing shit.

Got the screen capture, but I don’t know how to post it!  

Good find, btw.

With a law that you can’t threaten a Senator or Congressperson on the books in 2008, we would have no longer been subjected to Chrissy Matthews.  He would have been jailed after his statement about Hillary being taken into a room and only one come out.  

Obama would have also been jailed for telling people to go after the enemies of America (all Republicans).  Hmmmm.  The law could be very useful, but eventually all MSM and members of Government could be in jail and chaos would ensue.

The “crosshairs” issue”

Has anybody else noticed how much the “O” in Thee One’s well-practised signature resembles crosshairs?

Linda Anselmi 
Hey Peggy Sue – So good to “see” you!!!  
 
We can not stop irresponsible speech and writing nor skilled propaganda with legislation.  It takes individual responsibility and accountability.  
 
Speakers and writers are only sharing their thoughts and ideas that can go nowhere without listeners and readers.  If we don’t like what is presented, we have a right and a responsibility to disengage.    
 
If something is egregious enough we have a right and responsibility to call them to account. We have the freedom to unite in our opposition and create a collective will against it.  
 
Unfortunately, our current discussion seems to be focused more on adding fuel to the various fires of disagreement through finger pointing and blame, and creating restrictions to rights, responsibilities and freedoms, then in actually developing productive, respectful avenues for disagreements.

I appreciate your point, csuzeq, but that was Herr Olbermann, not Tweety who made the “only one comes out” statement.

Some of lefts angry rhetoric

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/video-flashback-some-of-the-lefts-angry-rhetoric/

Oh, my bad.  We would have been rid of both Matthews and Olberdumb no doubt.  Ed shultz as well.

I’ve lived a long time and from the worst among us (conservatives) I’ve never seen the likes of nastiness, violence, vulgarity, and pure eviliness that I see coming out of the mouths of leftists/liberals/or whatever one cares to call them.  And sad, but the worst of it seems to come from the younger spectrum of that population.  It saddens and sickens me.  Am I alone?

Glenn Beck reads email from Sarah Palin

http://www.therightscoop.com/glenn-beck-reads-email-from-sarah-palin

A little bit like this guy’s signature . . . that would be . . .

Why should Rep. Brady use any logic or even truth.  Since the moment of this tragedy the MSM has been lying and certainly not showing a shred of logic.  Rep. Richardson of Compton/Long Beach was on the local LA news spreading the lies again.  She was also escorted to the studio with a police escort she requested.  She spouted off about it being the fault of the Tea Party and “what can you expect from people who spit on and call Rep.’s the N word”.  As we know that has been proven time and again to be a lie, but here hours after a tragedy the D’s were bringing out the Race Card.

Only hours after the tragedy it was said that his favorite books were The Communist Manifesto, etc.  Now it doesn’t take a genius to know that those are not on the reading list of R’s and TP’ers, but rather on the list of preferred reading for progesssives.

Yes. He was an extremist all right. However, contrary to what we have been told by MSN, it looks like he was a dope smoking, left wing, Obama loving, extremist. Teched in the head too. So who did MSNBC (hatemonger Olberman), CNN ( Wolfe Blitzer guests) blame for this tragedy? Why the Republicans and Sarah Palin of course. And so does the deranged democratic sheriff of Pima country–he has already hung them without a little thing called evidence. It is all so simple you see. Sarah corrupted his innocent mind, after they knew from his algebra teacher that he was a bit unstable. And their motive? Use your head: It has nothing to do with governing philosophy, economic strategy, taxes, spending, foreign policy failures–it is none of that. That is a Republican lie. The sole reason they did this was because they cannot stand the fact that we have a black man in the White House. If you find fault with that logic you must be a racist. Which begs the question of who the real extremists are.

Threats against Hillary were ok.  Hypocrites.  And if it’s a crime to threaten a member of Congress, then it also ought to be a crime to threaten any American.

FATHER OF 9 YEAR OLD DOES NOT WANT RESTRICTIONS ON FREEDOMS

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HARP:

Now the pundits are saying this could be Obama`s “Oklahoma moment”. If I were that little girl`s father I would make a statement saying the death of my daughter should not be used to enhance anyone’s political fortunes.

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HERE IT IS:

 
Can Obama Turn Tragedy Into Triumph?  
 
Newsweek,  
by Jonathan Alter     
 
Original Article  
 
1/10/2011  
 
President Obama is off to a good start in his handling of what the networks are now calling “The Tragedy in Tucson.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Rj47lB1a-0Y
FATHER OF 9 YEAR OLD DOES NOT WANT RESTRICTIONS ON FREEDOMS

This “crazed, right-wing zombie” just hung a red, white and blue ribbon on our porch.  Somehow it made me feel better.  Not a lot but anything helps.

Exactly AA.  If someone publicly announces that they intend to use a tragedy for political purposes and suggests the POTUS do the same what are  they responsible for?

Is that not a form of hate speech?

You cannot control what people say hence the First Amendment.  Even at the worst and most violent parts  during the Civil Rights Era no one not even families of victims suggested that the First Amendment be suspended or that the speakers be denied the right to say what they think. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

A hell of a lot more people died back then.  But guess what? We were still smart enough to realize that the US Constitution was THE WALL.  It was the last best protection.

Too bad so many Americans seem to have forgotten that fact that so many, both military and civilian, died for.

I think that was the lucid dream I had last week . . .

It’s my understanding that the FBI has taken over this investigation.  Why isn’t Dupnik out directing traffic?

Barry’s actually been pretty quiet since the shooting.  Maybe now that the playoffs are over for a couple of days he’ll bestir himself to say a few words.

Actually Noogan what I was referring to is the fact that this young man’s problems are severe and that insurance only covers up to 30 days on average. I saw pictures of the parents home on the news and upkeep is not strong. I may be wrong but that indicates that the money is tight. They might have feared the hospital bills. For me that is not an excuse, but it is a possibility. As to the kind of parent and grandparent I am, you are right. I knew there was something up with my son years before he was properly diagnosed with Asperger’s syndrome and it is because of what I did working with him that he is in regular classes at the University of Connecticut and on the Dean’s list there. In all honesty because of my son I do know that if this shooter had shown these same signs in high school, rather than hanging out with the druggies that he would have been flagged by the administration. College is a different matter unfortunately. The college it would seem did what they could, but he is a legal adult. Put bluntly the college did more than most when they contacted the parents. On orientattion day at UCONN parents were told that from now on they would only be notified if the student has given permission. Fortunately my son has added us to his account so we are notified,(loved getting the dean’s list notification!).
I do have to add however, that from what I have heard today it would seem that the father may not be fully balanced. There was a report from a neighbor that he went off on them because of garbage and repeated the assault a month later in a shopping facility.

Warning:  Intolerant post follows.

margaret, the root cause seems pretty evident.  Loughner was nuts.  What made him nuts may be fodder for the forensic psychiatrists but I’m not interested.

I once posted a comment on a blog decrying female genital mutilation.  It got a response from another poster urging me to look at the “cultural” basis for carving girls’ labia off in public with shards of glass or sharpened shells.

My response to that poster was the same as it is here.  Some things are just so wrong, so heinous, that they do not merit any attempt at understanding.  Going down that road even a short distance simply lends credibility to an incredible act.

There will be no navel-gazing here.  No soft-hearted attempts to understand poor Jared Loughner.  May he rot in prison or whatever hell you might believe in.

And I’ll take it further.  If his parents wilfully ignored the thousands of signs that seem to be there, may they feel ten times the pain his victims felt.  They raised that monster.  They don’t get a pass.

Washington must be terrified of the tea party. OMG citizens speaking out and demanding accountability. We must discourage that at all costs. Blame them for everything negative in this country. Blame Sarah Palin, we must stop her , people are actually listening to what she says. We can not have that. The last thing we need is  awakened citizens in this country. We could lose our jobs.

The alledged shooter is a nut case pure and simple. Anything could set a nut case off. But to use them as a political tool to blame either party is just plain wrong. This shooting and the horror and pain it caused should not be used as a politcal tool and every one who does try to use it that way should be voted out of office.

My prayers and condolences to the families of the victims of this horrible event.

WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS, AND THOSE CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

Tip of the Iceberg!

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/

Heard Beck say:  an attempt on Sarah Palin will bring this Republic down! 

The media and the incendiary mouthpieces should shut their mouths now.

>:o

People are making comments against Palin on Forums now…

In a Yahoo forum about people are calling Palin a “KILLER”, “I hope someone kills her”

Take a look at Yahoo’s article on her…What is the media thinking…They are putting a target on Palin.  Take a look at the comments…Its scary.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket/20110110/ts_yblog_theticket/giffords-tragedy-could-be-a-defining-moment-for-palin#mwpphu-container

If ”The Media” wonder why they are loathed by thoughtful people, then their glaring mistake of characterizing an anti-Zionist, Jewish leftie as a right-wing Tea Partier should give them a clue (if they’re the least bit introspective.  But that’s a big IF — there have been only a few so far). 

I notice lots of Obot types have come out of the woodwork on this topic.  It makes me suspect there truly is a coordinated effort to make political gains from this tragedy.  Un f-ing believable.  This makes me feel nauseated.

I think everyone should back up a few paces and look at recent events from an objective perspective. When I did this, I recognized two big, but separate stories. The first story could be summed up as this in a headline, “Madman Goes Berserk in Bloody Rampage”. The second big story could have this for a headline,”Leftists Cynically Exploit Phoenix Tragedy, Flash Mob of Frenzied Finger Pointers Pin Blame on Conservatives”. See? Two stories. When we discuss the events, I think we should resist conflating the two.

The first story is actually very straight forward. A deeply disturbed individual somehow managed to get a gun (this should be the follow-up story) and tragically slays 6, among them a Federal Judge, and wounds 12 others, seriously wounding a Congresswoman. The reason for this rampage may never be known since the shooter is so mentally disturbed he might not understand his own motives. (another follow-up story, how do people with such serious mental illness fall through the cracks?) Mourning for the dead, and Prayers for all, should be our National posture for the moment. The tragic actions of a madman may never be understood.

The second story is actually the more disturbing one in my opinion. While I’m sure that the greater majority of Americans mourned and prayed quietly for the victims while they patiently waited for the facts of the event to unfold, there was another large group of Americans and Leftist Politicians who instantaneously seized upon the event to maliciously exploit it for purely political reasons. They fanned the flames of partisan vitriol, they assigned blame for the event upon their most reviled political opponents, and in one of the greatest attention thefts of all time, they managed to steal the spotlight of the event in an horrifically selfish attempt to make the story all about them and their paranoid beliefs that THEY were somehow the targets of heated rhetoric that had nothing whatsoever to do with the tragedy. What does this tell you about these people? Their first response wasn’t concern for the real victims, it was a shameful manipulation of the event meant to advertise their OWN perceived and petty victimhood. In one of the most disgusting displays of over dramatized political theater, the left and their comrades in the MSM have whipped up the public over an issue that apparently had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the shooter’s motives. Everyone, from Sheriff Dupnik to the to the Pa. Congressman,(who has sanctimoniously proposed a law banning “Targets” on political graphics, how absurd), who reflexively blamed and smeared countless individuals on the right for the tragedy, should be deeply ashamed of themselves, and they should sincerely apologize to ALL the innocent people they maliciously implicated for a horror they had NOTHING to do with. And anyone who continues to point their nasty partisan fingers at Palin, Rush, Beck, and FOX News, should be singled out for focused public condemnation.

The huge irony that has been revealed by these events is that the hysterical rantings, and vicious attacks by the left, easily makes THEM appear to be far more menacing and threatening than the Conservatives they’re insanely ranting about. Who would YOU consider to be the more stable, mature, and rational individual, the one who calmly deliberates over the complex issues involved in the tragedy, or the one who instantly assumed and accused his political opponents for the tragedy with some of the most hateful and incendiary rhetoric I can recall? 

Yes, there may well be a very disturbing increase of violent and defamatory rhetoric, but the majority of it is coming from the left, as recent events clearly demonstrate.

Guessed….The media and the Left need to tone it way down or we are going to have some big problems steming from this incident.

I am seeing and hearing many not only make very distasteful comments about various public figures, I am seeing actual threats against them. 

The vast majority of the threats and comments are due to articles putting the blame on various public figures, and/or organizations.

They need to stop before it is too late.

 Obama`s “Oklahoma moment”.

HARP—-To me it feels more like Obama’s “Terri Schiavo moment”.
That was about the worst case of politicizing of a tragedy that I’ve ever seen.

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Obama called for a moment of silence at 11 AM today.

Why did he not do the same for the Ft. Hood soldiers’ massacre? 
Is he not

COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF?

Bizarre true story: about 10 minutes ago, my wife walked downstairs and asked me if I had ever heard of Philip K. Dick.  Strange synchronicity.  Maybe it all is in my mind.  Do androids dream of electric sheep?  I actually met PKD back in the 50′s.  I was a little boy going “door-to-door” as a Jehovah’s Witness.  His home was at Point Reyes Station, California.  He had a beard and was kind to me.

Life is but a dream . . .
Doo Doo Doot Doo, Sh-boom!

Because he is a Poser.

you might as well ask why he has been totally devoid of emotion throughout this. He claims that Gabby Gifford is a friend after all.

i might add that Janet napolitano will take a meeting with Pima Country Sherrif Clarence Dupnik but not the head of the Arizona’s Sheriff assoiciation.

Sheriff Babeu: “Janet Napolitano is out here. She doesn’t talk to me. She doesn’t talk to other sheriffs because we have a different opinion than her on the reality of what our country is facing… We’re on a “do not call” list, I believe.”

So what is a citizen to do?

We used to have the Clear and Present Danger clause.  If your rhetoric is promoting violence, you can be arrested.  We still have that, but no one pays attention to it.

Or the Lord of the Lies.

Hey NOC! best to you and yours on the New Year.

No one wants to point out that Stalin, Lenin and Hitler hail as well as the murderers of John and Bobby Kennedy and Obama’s “good friend” Ayers as well were from the Socialist /Communist side of the dial. Even Obama himself sat in a “church” for 20 years listening to hate speech and thinking it was so cool that the Reverand Wright was his uncle.

It is just that dems are fearful creatures and “Doing a Rodney King” should be a law mandating moral behavoir….and not the basis of civil discourse as a matter of human natures default.

Media complicity in a leftist propaganda outrage. 

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/journalists-urged-caution-after-ft-hood-now-race-blame-palin-afte

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O/T
THIS IS KARMA AT WORK:

Judge sentences Tom DeLay  
to 3 years in prison  
   
Associated Press,  
by Staff     
 
Original Article  
 
1/10/2011  
 
AUSTIN, Texas  
 
— A judge has ordered U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay to serve three years in prison for his role in a scheme to illegally funnel corporate money to Texas candidates in 2002.   The sentence comes after a jury in November convicted DeLay on charges of money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering. 

DeLay was once one of the most powerful men in U.S. politics, ascending to the No. 2 job in the House of Representatives.  The former Houston-area congressman had faced up to life in prison.   His attorneys asked for probation.

From the above article.

Regarding Hasan:

“….public officials, journalists, and commentators were quick to caution that the public should not “jump to conclusions” about Hasan’s motive.  CNN, in particular, became a forum for repeated warnings that the subject should be discussed with particular care.”

Regarding Laughner, one year later:

“Yet the network that had shown such caution in discussing the Ft. Hood shootings openly discussed the possibility that Loughner was inspired to violence by…Sarah Palin.  Although there is no evidence that Loughner was in any way influenced by Palin, CNN was filled with speculation about the former Alaska governor.”

Could there possibly be a more obvious instance of grotesque, leftist media hypocrisy? 

 a separate class of laws for government officials.

It occurs to me that many of the laws on the books congressional pests are exempt from already…
but that did not stop “The Hammer” getting three years in prison from the state of Texas…

If Valerie Jarret saif it…I think the secret service would film it.

 Why isn’t Dupnik out directing traffic?
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Because traffic isn’t just going left.

I don’t know the specifics of the law here, but since his behavior was only listed as disruptive, I don’t believe the police could have done anything with the information if the college had passed it along.  The police departments are usually not staffed well enough to follow a crazy around.  They can usually act after the fact only, in most cases.

What we need I still say is a way for the college to have forced the mental evaluation following some set procedure and then for anyone who gets an evaluation stating that he/she IS a danger to himself or others, something could be done—and one of those things would be to be put on an FBI list so that he/she could not purchase guns or own guns.

Having taught in a community college, I know that these are the places where all the different crazies of the word often end up.  Now, don’t get me wrong.  I love the concept of community colleges if they are run well, and my community college students were some of the best because community colleges also often get some of the most hard-working, intelligent, thoughtful people as students.  But everyone who has spent much time on a community college campus knows that a lot of the dregs of society end up there also.

(For instance, I learned once through a newspaper article that one of my students was the mother of a notorious gang leader in the community.  It sure made me wonder if I could safely give her the bad grade she had earned.  *DONT_KNOW*   Heck, we even had to sign sheets for people–mostly young ment–who had been released from their prison cells to come to class to provide the time they entered our room and the time they left.  That sure fightened me at first until I learned these were mostly young men who refused to pay child support.  Then I felt that my objectivity in grading them had been compromised.  ).

There are huge loopholes now that allow for the mentally ill to cause much havoc in the world.  I do think that neuropsychology is making great headway and that soon we should be thinking about ways to curb the gun-owning rights of these people and to keep track of them or have ways of committing them.

Good point, Linda.
Larry said:
there currently is no law making it a crime to threaten a member of Congress
Does that mean it is not a crime to threaten ME or YOU? If someone phoned you and said they were going to kill you, that isn’t a crime?
I think the problem is what is EXPLICIT and what is PERCEIVED.

SSOO – Many thanks for having the graciousness to apologize for bad manners. I hope the rest of the week is better for you.

Megyn needed to prod him into getting into specifics about his allegations, but she allows him to hide in generalities.

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How to Turn a Tragedy into an Emetic

by Roger Kimball
Pajamas Media

A question for the metaphysicians and cultural pathologists:

just how low can former-economist Paul Krugman, hysteric-in-chief
for the New York Times, go?

Read <img src=”http://pajamasmedia.com/wp-content/themes/default/images/orangebullet.gif” border=”0″ alt=”bullet”/>

I’m surprised Allred isn’t hanging out on the fringe of the cameras on this one.  I’ll take bets she shows up at some point or is interviewed for her opinion, at least.

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Hot Air:

Did Clarence Dupnik miss the red flags on Loughner?

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/01/10/did-dupnik-miss-the-red-flags-on-loughner/

>>> Who decides what is a threat?

EXCELLENT question.

>>>  Whose perceptions matter?

MINE, to me. We are individually responsible for what we say or do, our success or failure and whether or not we find Love or Fulfillment in our time as US citizens.

>>> Would not Sarah Palin be in jail already if this was the law.

Bit of a stretch.

>>> Could not you or I or most at this blog be then jailed as a perceived threat simply by objecting strongly to the things are government is doing?  

You betcha! The New World Order troops training up in Canada could run right down the Texas Corridor, scoop our sorry selves up, load us into BLACK HELICOPTERS and deposit us in FEMA REX 84 internment camps!

Slept through HS Civics, did we, Samb?

Here’s a hint: Miranda and Escobedo were NOT part of Selena’s band.

Probably had an aide outside seeing which way the political wind was blowing. Or in mourning because his pal Michael Vick doesn’t get to go to the Super Bowl. Yeah Packers for that!

Uh, oh.  I’m in trouble now.  I have a sick lemon tree in a pot full of soil…probably one of the few lemon trees in Iowa.

I must be…uh, excuse me.  There’s knock at the door.

Brilliant, candy.

Interesting take on Sheriff Fester here:


Jared Loughner is a product of Sheriff Dupnik’s Office

Well +, using wacko liberal logic, it seems that a reasonable solution to these problems would be to remove Obama from office, gag him, and lock him up for life! He is REALLY pissing off a lot of people and DRIVING THEM CRAZY!

Stuff I pieced together:
Within hours of the Saturday morning shooting spree by 22-year old Jared Loughner, at a campaign appearance by Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.), a media propaganda barrage, led by the New York Times, the London Guardian, MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann, and others, targeted Palin and other critics of the Obama Administration’s so-called health care reform bill, as politically and morally responsible for the shootings. It is as if this had been coordinated in advance, as if they were waiting for precisely such a heinous incident to occur, to attack those criticizing the health care reform bill. It is still unclear whether it was the British Fabian flagship London Guardian, or the Daily Kos, or the New York Times that got off the first black propaganda salvo of the day, targeting devious rightwing forces, like Sarah Palin, for putting a cross-hair on Rep. Giffords and begging the shootings. What is clear, the media on both sides of the Atlantic all adopted the identical propaganda line, with scarcely a few exceptions and that has to make one suspicious.
 
Like other highly-suggestible killers-patsies of recent decades, Loughner advertised his own susceptibility to mind-control from without, by his own open obsession with mind-control as shown on his You-Tube channel.
 
Loughner’s marked mental deterioration from the time of his senior year in high school into that of his community college studies, coincided with his deepening involvement in “lucid dreaming,” or “conscious dreaming.” This cult, which was very popular early in this decade, teaches self-immersion in dream-fantasy, supposedly self-controlled, as the path to total fulfillment through the “information” supposedly communicated through the dreams.
 
The more he immersed himself into a life of self-induced and supposedly self-controlled fantasy, the more he became openly psychotic, as seen by his friends,— and more pathologically suggestible at the same time.
 
Loughner’s obsession with random numbers and his need to communicate only in syllogisms, point towards a schizophrenic simulation of computer “artificial intelligence” which bears more examination.
 
The testimony of Loughner’s friend Bryce Tierney in “Mother Jones,” along with other evidence, make clear Loughner’s long obsession with Rep. Giffords.
 
So, if there was an unknown controller who planted the suggestion to assassinate Rep. Gifford, how did he or she (or them) find Jared Loughner? Last fall at the latest, when Pima community college expelled him on psychiatric grounds, and required him to get a psychiatric clearance before he could return, he “entered the system” in the sense that his background was then available through government psychiatric agencies.
 

You know what? We are all responsible for this crap. None of us stop the crap talk. We all do it and now we are pointing the finger at each other.

One guy goes nutso, whether he listened to crap radio or not is not the issue. The way people are over reacting is the issue!  One would think this was the 2011 version of the Concord Bridge shot….

Everyone take a chill pill and let the court do its thing! The last thing we need is for Congress to start its legislative crap again….