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Rightwing Incites Violence?

Thank you Reverend Amy for a dynamite piece that captured the absurd, irresponsible attack of the mainstream media in their continuing effort to discredit Sarah Palin and convince themselves that a hoard of crazed rightwing zombies are itching to grab their guns and start shooting the shit out of Washington.

Typical of this effort is David Frum’s contribution to the frenzy:

Nobody has been hurt so far. We can all hope that nobody will be. But firearms and politics never mix well. They mix especially badly with a third ingredient: the increasingly angry tone of incitement being heard from right-of-center broadcasters.

The Nazi comparisons from Rush Limbaugh; broadcaster Mark Levin asserting that President Obama is “literally at war with the American people”; former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin claiming that the president was planning “death panels” to extirpate the aged and disabled; the charges that the president is a fascist, a socialist, a Marxist, an illegitimate Kenyan fraud, that he “harbors a deep resentment of America,” that he feels a “deep-seated hatred of white people,” that his government is preparing concentration camps, that it is operating snitch lines, that it is planning to wipe away American liberties”: All this hysterical and provocative talk invites, incites, and prepares a prefabricated justification for violence.

Only one little problem David.

There has been no “rightwing” incited violence. Blaming the rightwing for a crime committed by a guy who I wager is not a listener to rightwing talk radio is beyond irresponsible. This is a form of leftist penis envy. The liberals/progressives are angry that the right is so popular and uses the airwaves as an effective platform. However, there is a limit to their influence. Now, here’s another little fun fact–ratings for Limbaugh, Hannity and Levin are shrinking, not growing, at least at WABC in New York. Check out these ratings:

WABC    DEC 2009     OCT 2010      NOV 2010        DEC 2010
 
12+             3.7              4.1               4.3                  4.1 (#5)
M 25-54       3.0              3.2               3.5                  3.2
P 25-54       2.1               2.4               2.7                  2.5
 
IMUS      DEC 2009     OCT 2010           NOV 2010    DEC 2010
 
12+             4.0                4.6                     5.3            5.2 (#2)
M 25-54       3.4                3.5                     3.9            3.8 (#9)
P 25-54        2.7                3.1                     3.7           3.8 (#7)
 
CRUMMEY     DEC 2009      OCT 2010          NOV 2010      DEC 2010
 
12+                    3.4                 3.7                    3.4               3.5 (#8)
M 25-54              2.2                 2.0                    1.7               1.8
P 25-54               1.6                 1.6                    1.3                1.7
 
RUSH         DEC 2009      OCT 2010         NOV 2010      DEC 2010
 
12+                4.8                 5.0                    5.0               4.4 (#5)
M 25-54          3.7                 3.4                    3.3               2.6
P 25-54          2.3                 2.6                    2.6                2.1
 
HANNITY     DEC 2009      OCT 2010          NOV 2010      DEC 2010
 
12+                   3.6               3.9                    3.8               3.3 (#9)
M 25-54             2.8               2.9                    3.3               2.7
P 25-54              1.8               2.0                    2.2               1.8
 
LEVIN          DEC 2009      OCT 2010          NOV 2010      DEC 2010
12+                  3.2                 3.1                     3.6              3.1
M 25-54            2.5                 2.8                     3.1              2.5
P 25-54             1.9                 2.0                     2.3              1.8
 
BATCHELOR  DEC (Sliwa) 2009   OCT (JBS) 2010 NOV  (JBS) 2010  DEC (JBS) 2010
12+                    (Sliwa)  4.2                 6.4                    7.0             6.8 (#1)
M 25-54               (Sliwa) 3.1                 7.4                    7.9             8.3 (#1)
P 25-54               (Sliwa)  2.8                 5.6                    6.0             5.9 (#2)
 
RED EYE         DEC 2009      OCT 2010          NOV 2010      DEC 2010
 
12+                    6.4                  8.6                   10.8              12.4 (#1)
M 25-54              7.3                  8.9                     8.2              10.5 (#1)
P 25-54               5.9                  7.5                    7.6                9.4 (#1)
 
DOUG 5-6A      DEC 2009      OCT 2010          NOV 2010      DEC 2010
 
12+                     4.5                   6.1                    7.9              8.3 (#1)
M 25-54               4.8                   7.3                    8.2              7.4 (#2)
P 25-54                4.0                   5.3                    6.2              6.1 (#3) 
 
NY WEEKEND   DEC 2009      OCT 2010          NOV 2010      DEC 2010
 
12+                         3.3              3.5                    3.8                 3.9 (#5)
M 25-54                   2.9              3.1                    3.6                 3.5
P 25-54                    2.0              2.1                    2.5                 2.0 

The critical detail is that the WABC and talk radio demo is Male 25-54l.  Note that on this score that John Batchelor’s show more than triples Limbaugh, more than triples Hannity, more than triples Levin.

There is another reality–Republican members of Congress get as many threats as do the Democrats. I learned tonight on John Batchelor’s show that there currently is no law making it a crime to threaten a member of Congress. That is ridiculous. That ought to be illegal. Let’s hope that Boehner’s House and Reid’s Senate move quickly to pass a law. No citizen has the right to threaten violence against any public servant. Period. Zero tolerance.

Okay, have at it.

  • +

    Excellent reply!

    It seems you have no problem in a democracy to kill people that you disagree with. I think you are living in the wrong country.

  • Agent X

    You know what? We are all responsible for this crap. None of us stop the crap talk. We all do it and now we are pointing the finger at each other.

    One guy goes nutso, whether he listened to crap radio or not is not the issue. The way people are over reacting is the issue!  One would think this was the 2011 version of the Concord Bridge shot….

    Everyone take a chill pill and let the court do its thing! The last thing we need is for Congress to start its legislative crap again….

  • Agent X

    “I learned tonight on John Batchelor’s show that there currently is no law making it a crime to threaten a member of Congress.”

    This is bullshit… Terroristic threats are terroristic threat. Attempted murder is attempted murder. This is a plain and simple crime and needs to be treated as such. What? Now we need to have special law to protect Members of Congress? That is bullshit!

    We have the flag flying at half mast over the Capitol for what? The Courts I can see, we lost a Federal Judge. But over the US Capitol? Then it needs to stay there at half mast until every single US American Soldier comes home.

    Give me a break!

  • an observer

    Stuff I pieced together:
    Within hours of the Saturday morning shooting spree by 22-year old Jared Loughner, at a campaign appearance by Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.), a media propaganda barrage, led by the New York Times, the London Guardian, MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann, and others, targeted Palin and other critics of the Obama Administration’s so-called health care reform bill, as politically and morally responsible for the shootings. It is as if this had been coordinated in advance, as if they were waiting for precisely such a heinous incident to occur, to attack those criticizing the health care reform bill. It is still unclear whether it was the British Fabian flagship London Guardian, or the Daily Kos, or the New York Times that got off the first black propaganda salvo of the day, targeting devious rightwing forces, like Sarah Palin, for putting a cross-hair on Rep. Giffords and begging the shootings. What is clear, the media on both sides of the Atlantic all adopted the identical propaganda line, with scarcely a few exceptions and that has to make one suspicious.
     
    Like other highly-suggestible killers-patsies of recent decades, Loughner advertised his own susceptibility to mind-control from without, by his own open obsession with mind-control as shown on his You-Tube channel.
     
    Loughner’s marked mental deterioration from the time of his senior year in high school into that of his community college studies, coincided with his deepening involvement in “lucid dreaming,” or “conscious dreaming.” This cult, which was very popular early in this decade, teaches self-immersion in dream-fantasy, supposedly self-controlled, as the path to total fulfillment through the “information” supposedly communicated through the dreams.
     
    The more he immersed himself into a life of self-induced and supposedly self-controlled fantasy, the more he became openly psychotic, as seen by his friends,— and more pathologically suggestible at the same time.
     
    Loughner’s obsession with random numbers and his need to communicate only in syllogisms, point towards a schizophrenic simulation of computer “artificial intelligence” which bears more examination.
     
    The testimony of Loughner’s friend Bryce Tierney in “Mother Jones,” along with other evidence, make clear Loughner’s long obsession with Rep. Giffords.
     
    So, if there was an unknown controller who planted the suggestion to assassinate Rep. Gifford, how did he or she (or them) find Jared Loughner? Last fall at the latest, when Pima community college expelled him on psychiatric grounds, and required him to get a psychiatric clearance before he could return, he “entered the system” in the sense that his background was then available through government psychiatric agencies.
     

  • Guessed

    Well +, using wacko liberal logic, it seems that a reasonable solution to these problems would be to remove Obama from office, gag him, and lock him up for life! He is REALLY pissing off a lot of people and DRIVING THEM CRAZY with his incendiary rhetoric!

  • Guessed

    Well +, using wacko liberal logic, it seems that a reasonable solution to these problems would be to remove Obama from office, gag him, and lock him up for life! He is REALLY pissing off a lot of people and DRIVING THEM CRAZY!

  • +

    Larry,

    What is your answer to this:
    – July 2008: A gunman named Jim David Adkisson, agitated at how “liberals” are “destroying America,” walks into a Unitarian Church and opens fire, killing two churchgoers and wounding four others.
    – October 2008: Two neo-Nazis are arrested in Tennessee in a plot to murder dozens of African-Americans, culminating in the assassination of President Obama.
    – December 2008: A pair of “Patriot” movement radicals — the father-son team of Bruce and Joshua Turnidge, who wanted “to attack the political infrastructure” — threaten a bank in Woodburn, Oregon, with a bomb in the hopes of extorting money that would end their financial difficulties, for which they blamed the government. Instead, the bomb goes off and kills two police officers. The men eventually are convicted and sentenced to death for the crime.
    – December 2008: In Belfast, Maine, police discover the makings of a nuclear “dirty bomb” in the basement of a white supremacist shot dead by his wife. The man, who was independently wealthy, reportedly was agitated about the election of President Obama and was crafting a plan to set off the bomb.
    – January 2009: A white supremacist named Keith Luke embarks on a killing rampage in Brockton, Mass., raping and wounding a black woman and killing her sister, then killing a homeless man before being captured by police as he is en route to a Jewish community center.
    – February 2009: A Marine named Kody Brittingham is arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate President Obama. Brittingham also collected white-supremacist material.
    – April 2009: A white supremacist named Richard Poplawski opens fire on three Pittsburgh police officers who come to his house on a domestic-violence call and kills all three, because he believed President Obama intended to take away the guns of white citizens like himself. Poplawski is currently awaiting trial.
    – April 2009: Another gunman in Okaloosa County, Florida, similarly fearful of Obama’s purported gun-grabbing plans, kills two deputies when they come to arrest him in a domestic-violence matter, then is killed himself in a shootout with police.
    – May 2009: A “sovereign citizen” named Scott Roeder walks into a church in Wichita, Kansas, and assassinates abortion provider Dr. George Tiller.
    – June 2009: A Holocaust denier and right-wing tax protester named James Von Brunn opens fire at the Holocaust Museum, killing a security guard.
    – February 2010: An angry tax protester named Joseph Ray Stack flies an airplane into the building housing IRS offices in Austin, Texas. (Media are reluctant to label this one “domestic terrorism” too.)
    – March 2010: Seven militiamen from the Hutaree Militia in Michigan and Ohio are arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate local police officers with the intent of sparking a new civil war.
    – March 2010: An anti-government extremist named John Patrick Bedell walks into the Pentagon and opens fire, wounding two officers before he is himself shot dead.
    – May 2010: A “sovereign citizen” from Georgia is arrested in Tennessee and charged with plotting the violent takeover of a local county courthouse.
    – May 2010: A still-unidentified white man walks into a Jacksonville, Fla., mosque and sets it afire, simultaneously setting off a pipe bomb.
    – May 2010: Two “sovereign citizens” named Jerry and Joe Kane gun down two police officers who pull them over for a traffic violation, and then wound two more officers in a shootout in which both of them are eventually killed.
    – July 2010: An agitated right-winger and convict named Byron Williams loads up on weapons and drives to the Bay Area intent on attacking the offices of the Tides Foundation and the ACLU, but is intercepted by state patrolmen and engages them in a shootout and armed standoff in which two officers and Williams are wounded.
    – September 2010: A Concord, N.C., man is arrested and charged with plotting to blow up a North Carolina abortion clinic. The man, 26-year–old Justin Carl Moose, referred to himself as the “Christian counterpart to (Osama) bin Laden” in a taped undercover meeting with a federal informant.
    DO YOU SEE A PATTERN HERE? OR ARE YOU JUST BLIND?

  • creeper

    Interesting take on Sheriff Fester here:


    Jared Loughner is a product of Sheriff Dupnik’s Office