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Obamacrats — “She can’t win.”

* Bumped Up *

I was inspired by a NQ reader, who found a way to get me a private message, to write the second election strategy employed by Obamacrats. The first, as you recall, although, really they are not in any hierarchical order, was, “He did it too.” The second is:

2. I like her, but she can’t win.

The reasons why “she” (and, she can be any female, left or right, who is in fact threatening to win.) can’t win will invariably be determined by high negatives achieved in manipulated polling data. (Manipulated to give her high negatives.) This strategy is already being played out by Obamacrats with regard to Palin. Obamacrats pretend to be Republicans, conservatives, Feminist Democrats, former Hillary supporters, Center Democrats, any stripe of political bent that they believe will get you to take their words more seriously, and then they’ll lay it on you — “I like Palin, and hate what they’ve done to her, but, now there’s no chance she can win the presidency. And what’s most important is that we beat Obama.” (They’ll take a big gulp from their mountain dew after they write that. Have some compassion, It can’t be easy to be as disingenuous and deceitful as they have to be in order to achieve what they believe to be their higher aims.)

When you counter (If you’re a Palin supporter) with your surprise or frustration that such a bogus statement has been made, they’ll present you with articles and polls.

The polls are manufactured narratives, we already know that. And since they’re the underpinning for most articles on the subject, the articles are fraudulent as well. Obamacrats are great storytellers, they build the narrative from the ground up.

I’ll refer to the past as a way to illuminate the present. April 2007, Real Clear ran the following story:

April 19, 2007
Huge Increase in Hillary’s Negatives Changing Presidential Race By Dick Morris and Eileen McGann.

There has been a sudden and highly significant shift in the Democratic Presidential race: Hillary Clinton is rapidly losing her frontrunner position to Barack Obama as her negative ratings climb.

According to the Gallup poll, most Americans don’t like Hillary Clinton and the number of people who view her negatively has been steadily increasing ever since she announced her candidacy for President in January.

Hillary isn’t wearing well. It seems as if the more people see her, the less they like her. Now, for the first time, her low likeability levels are costing her votes, as Democratic party voters are abandoning her to support Barack Obama.

In February, Hillary had a 19 point lead over Obama. He is now only 5 points behind her.

The most recent Gallup Poll, taken on April 13-15th, shows the biggest increase in negative opinions of Hillary since March of 2001, when she was awash in the pardons and White House china theft scandals.

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These numbers mean serious problems for Hillary.

Particularly startling is the collapse of her favorability among key demographic subgroups that are usually considered to be stable parts of her political base. Her campaign is premised on a strategy of attracting women – especially young and single women. Yet, in the last month she has lost 7% of her favorability among all women, 10% among women aged 18-49, and 11% among single women. She is losing her base.

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The obvious question is this: What has caused this sharp decline? There is no current Hillary or Bill Clinton scandal, for a change. She has not been subjected to any negative media campaign and Obama and Edwards, her two rivals, have been positively gentle in their treatment of her.

So, what’s happening?

One is driven to the conclusion that Hillary is defeating herself! Voters are watching the former first lady in her first extended period of national exposure since her health care debacle and don’t like what they see. She appears scripted, phony, artificial, and even boring. Her ridiculous attack on Obama last month completely backfired. And her southern-preacher accent in Selma was downright scary.

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And she can’t alter her personality more than she already has. In short, Hillary’s in trouble.

I hope in an article like this, you’re beginning to see how so-called journalists are using the language of fiction to create a story. “Hillary isn’t wearing well.” Since, culturally we only or firstly seem to evaluate women by what they wear, this reminds us again that she’s not a woman that people (meaning lecherous people like Morris) want to look at.

Not wanting to let up on the “she’s a woman and that’s why we hate her” theme, the article states: “The most recent Gallup Poll, taken on April 13-15th, shows the biggest increase in negative opinions of Hillary since March of 2001, when she was awash in the pardons and White House china theft scandals.” Awash in china scandals. So, you see it? Hillary is a dowdy scullery maid taken to stealing china from the house she works in. Scandalously.

I admit I missed this whole china theft scandal. Was it one of the things that was going to finally destroy Hillary Clinton and her future in politics? That meant she had no chance to ever win again?

Then there’s this line, “Her campaign is premised on a strategy of attracting women – especially young and single women.” Was that your experience. Certainly Hillary never discouraged women from supporting her, and she always stands for women’s rights, but, I think if she had played the sex card at all, she would’ve had a killer hand. But that’s Hillary. She’s not exploiting women, she’s advocating for them.

Oh, reading this article gives me flashbacks — not the good kind. Morris/McGann have the audacity to write this: “The obvious question is this: What has caused this sharp decline? There is no current Hillary or Bill Clinton scandal, for a change. She has not been subjected to any negative media campaign and Obama and Edwards, her two rivals, have been positively gentle in their treatment of her.” Good lord. “No current Hillary or Bill Clinton scandal, for a change.” When writers add commentary such as, ‘for a change’, you know that they have completely abrogated ethics for the sake of pushing their agenda. And, well, “positively gentle” just makes me want to vomit in its disassociation from reality.

The beginning of the article is Morris and McGann’s attempt at presenting themselves as being balanced analysts, in order to lure in the reader for the grand finale. All pretension gives way the longer you read, it’s the journalist version of, “She’s nice enough, but…” The shroud over the bias comes unglued with, “One is driven to the conclusion that Hillary is defeating herself! Voters are watching the former first lady in her first extended period of national exposure since her health care debacle and don’t like what they see. She appears scripted, phony, artificial, and even boring. Her ridiculous attack on Obama last month completely backfired. And her southern-preacher accent in Selma was downright scary.”

I just have to point out that the last part of that paragraph points back to number one in the Obamacrat strategy, “(s)He did it, too.” I never heard Hillary talk in a southern-preacher accent, but I sure heard Obama do it, and in a number of other voices as well.

So, Hillary defeated herself, Obama and Edwards were positively gentle, Hillary hasn’t had national exposure before this, and she’s scripted, phony, artificial and even boring. Aye-yi-yi.

And then the ultimate end for Hillary, “And she can’t alter her personality more than she already has.” What about you Dick…can you alter your personality more? Please?

Of course, for this article, there wasn’t any actual poll to validate the wild assumptions and mealy-mouthed insults being sputtered (before you let me know that I’m doing the same thing, I know. I know. Sorry. I’m pissed.) but, in looking for it I discovered another article written a year later in April 2008.

POLL: Obama Surges on Electability, Challenges Clinton on Leadership

This article, which I won’t analyze, refers to an ABC poll done at the time. I looked at it and was surprised that five questions were asked about Hillary Clinton, whereas the stats for only 1, whether Hillary Clinton is trustworthy or not, were reported on. The detail said this regarding Questions 30-34:

30-31 Held for release.
32 Previously released.
33-34 Held for release.

I’m dying to know what those four questions were and how the polling went on them.

Interestingly, this poll didn’t ask the same questions of each of the candidates. Respondents were asked these five questions about HIllary and about Barack they were asked:

27. As you may know there has been some controversy lately over the preaching of Reverend Jeremiah Wright, who has been Barack Obama’s minister. In terms of distancing himself from Wright’s comments, do you think Obama has done (too much), (too little) or about the right amount?

Are you frisking serious? Now they’re stealing poll questions right from classic literature…is the porridge too hot, too cold, or just right?

Oh, and, by the way, on that poll, 1,197 adults were randomly sampled, except that there was an oversampling of African Americans and Catholics. And oversampling of over 500 respondents. That means, 500+ more African Americans and Catholics than the random sample produced. Uh, that Hillary did as well as she did on this poll is astounding.

Anyway, my point isn’t to rehash old news, I just want you to be wary when you read these polls and articles that say, Poll: Sarah Palin can’t beat Obama. But Mitt Romney can., Scarborough: Palin Knows She Can’t Win, In It For Money, GOP Consultant Says Palin Can’t Win
, More top Republicans join Sarah-can’t-win caucus

Well, you get the idea. I could go on. Easily.

My point is this — the power elite of the left and right don’t want women with the integrity to stand up. They don’t want defiant women to achieve the highest elected office in America. They really don’t. And, since they control a great deal of the US economy, media, entertainment, etc., they have considerable power in framing and suppressing the message of a Clinton, Palin or whomever has the fortitude to stand her ground.

No poll, or punditry, especially in January of 2011, can accurately predict who will run, win the nomination or the general election.

It’s clear to me that Obamacrats don’t want Palin to win the Republican nomination and be Obama’s opposition. And, people like Romney and his surrogates, will work with Obamacrats to spread the same lie about her “un-electability” because it works in their favor.

There are days when it seems that the key to bi-partisanship and unity is misogyny. On those days, I’m grateful that leaders like Hillary and Palin are willing to endure the viciousness that is our realpolitik, and fight for our futures.

So when they say, “I like her, but she can’t win…,” smile, nod your head, and let em know that she can, and will. After all, you have as much authority about the future as a poll that oversampled biased populations by more than a third. Maybe more so.

(This isn’t meant to suggest that individuals might not like Sarah Palin based on her political views and plans, but the argument that she shouldn’t be supported because she can’t win is, in my view, a red-herring. It’s done to raise doubt and weaken conviction. Beware, stay strong.)

  • wodiej patriotdawg

    This fits in w your narrative:

    We just witnessed the Media’s test run to re-elect Barack Obama

    http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2011/01/we-just-witnessed-medias-test-run-to-re.html

  • seattlegonz

    Thanks for the link wodiej. He gives a break to the news media pushing the story, I’m not sure why. It seemed that NPR and others ran with the wrong story, that Giffords had been killed and it was Palin’s fault, within minutes of the shooting. They may have been tweeted about it, but they sure didn’t do any, uh, you know, fact checking.

    We should tweet them that Hillary has declared IA a foreign country and has decided that she needs to spend the next 4 months there building relations. See if that gets their heads to explode and put us out of our misery.

  • Diana L. C.

    seattlegonz,

    I am frightened about what I read from O supporters like the ones who come to disrupt this blog. 

    I remember being in a doctoral seminar at our “flagship” university once led by a professor about my age.  I and one other woman were the only two who had not been admitted to the doctoral program straight from our undergrad program.  We both had MAs from other (more grounded in tradition) universities and were admitted based on our very high GRE scores.  All the others were young people straight from their BA programs, many of who earned their BA from the same university.

    They were being specialized very early because they would all say proudly that, for instance, they were specializing in such and such a movement with an emphasis on feminist criticism, etc.  They knew basically nothing about anything else.

    So when this professor, who was conducting the seminar on literary criticism over the ages asked the simple question based on the “if a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it” set up, NOT ONE OF THE YOUNG PEOPLE ever considered that what should be taken as true is that IF SOMEONE HAD BEEN THEIR AND WAS NOT DEAF. THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A SOUND.  I was the only one whose answers took that fact into consideration as I formed my answer.  I remember the professor (who was obviously from the old school) seemed almost elated to find that one person had answered sanely.  To these young people indoctrinated by all forms of modern philosophy, there IS NO REALITY.  History is fiction; life is all an illusion of sorts, and the game is that he who “wins” is the one who can make the most people believe in his/her/its conception of reality.  No amount of providing them facts will change their opinions because they believe facts are just made up, and they like to be the ones making up the “facts.”

  • Noogan

    Just like + in the previous post:

    “It’s all semantics.”

  • Diana L. C.

    OOPS!  IF SOMEONE HAD BEEN THERE (NOT “THEIR”)

  • carol haka, not your average Matzo Cracker

    Run Sarah Run!

    Now, everyone start praying – my job interview is on Monday!

    :*

  • kenoshamarge

    I don’t think that any of us “former” Democrats that stopped being Democrats, for me that was on May 31, 2008, ever thought that the Lamestream Media would not be acting as Press Agents for Oblahblah when the time came for him to fun for re-election.

    You can’t believe them, you can’t trust them and you certainly cannot, for the most part, have any respect for them. A prostiture does a better job at her profession than the Presstitutes we laughing call our media.

    The sad part about the attacks on any woman who appears to have a chance at making a run for the “top spot” in politics is that so many women join in the feeding frenzy.

    We out-number them damnit and mostly we outlive them. And still we cannot gain the majority that our number suggest should be easy. 

  • Daisy Mae

    All right, Kenoshamarge.  You win the prize for “Presstitutes.”  

  • seattlegonz

    Hi, Diana, I hear you. ;)

    I’m back in school earning my second post graduate degree, and I’m stunned at how biased and fictionalized textbooks are, or have become. Sometimes the writer in this human sexuality text breaks into “we” language. Like, “We are led to believe…” And, I shake my head.

    Not all of us are so easily led to believe…thank goodness.

  • seattlegonz

    Good luck Carol. :-D

  • greenlantern

    Skillfully done, SeattleGonz. Brava! Thank you. Your post gives me new hope that maybe, having seen this movie before, we may be able to rewrite it!

    There are so many good points to explore here. I’m settling for this one for now:

    “I never heard Hillary talk in a southern-preacher accent, but I sure heard Obama do it, and in a number of other voices as well”.

    I heard this particular meme snarked about from Left wing sources. It puzzled me then, too. It would not surprise me if this was an out in out lie manufactured by the Obama campaign to obscure the fact that he was and is the one who does the fake preacher voice. How rank and cowardly!

    And as for Dick Morris—
    Dick Morris is a little disgusting to watch even when he’s talking about something you agree on. He fairly oozes perversion, like in the next instant, you expect him to begin slobbering black goo from every orifice as he laughs maniacally. When he talks about Hillary he really tries to keep himself in check but you know he is wildly fomenting inside. Remember when Seinfeld is asking Newman if he is suffering from an infestation of fleas? That look on Newman’s face as he’s trying to hold back his anguish? Well, you get the idea.

  • seattlegonz

    Presstitutes…a perfect name.

    I think the reason the forces are out full-force to take down Sarah is that the powers that be know that women are beginning to catch on to the fact that we actually have power. Obama isn’t the same “inspirational” change candidate in 2012 as he was, for some, in 2008…and if women start to feel that it’s their turn…oh, oh.

  • wodiej patriotdawg

    good luck.

  • yttik

    Great post, Seattle! You are right, the mediated narrative of “she can’t win” is just like the Hillary death watch that went on. They just repeat the same story line over and over again until people just count her out and stop voting, stop campaigning, etc.

    A couple of things are differant about Sarah and Hillary. Sarah has been counted out so many times, that’s old news. I think I’ve read her political epitaph 50 times in the last couple of years. It’s just not believable anymore. Hillary is also a loyal Dem, somebody that will make sacrifices for the good of the party. It’s a differant kind of attitude, believing your loyalty should be to the common good of the Dem party. Palin is much more independant, she actually has a track record of confronting her own party, holding them accountable. And of course, that’s what the Tea Party is about, holding government accountable and party be damned, or rather, we are the damn party.

    Hillary didn’t lose, she won the popular vote. She probably won the delegate vote, too. And she likely could have beaten McCain. So the whole meme of “she can’t win” is flawed anyway. She did win. The Dem party and the whole country lost.

    Palin is a differant kind of fighter than Hillary. If she runs, she’s going all the way.

  • Diana L. C.

    Agree wholeheartedly about Morris, greenlantern.  I just count the seconds before he inevitably gives a shout out to his Web site every time he is being interviewed.  He’s such a toady.  Wouldn’t Dickens have a field day with him?

  • seattlegonz

    That’s hysterical, greenlantern. Morris as Newman infested with fleas…on the inside.

    Divide, demoralize, denigrate…these are just some of the wonderful tactics of our dear leader.

  • seattlegonz

    Hey, yttik, the only reason I brought up Hillary is because she did win, despite all the predictions, polls and pundits that said she was a done deal. And, because she’s the prism through which I was able to see the sexism still in operation and focus on the tactics being employed by Obamacrats to keep women in their place.

    I still think Hillary was the lone voice arguing against Obama. McCain wouldn’t do it, the press didn’t do it, dems didn’t do it…it was like she was the only one making the case against him. And, she did it from IA through to the very last contest. I have inordinate respect for her for that.

  • helenk

    When you deal with a prostitute you know you are going to get screwed.
    This is an honest upfront fact. They do not pretend to be other than what they are.

    Presstitutes is giving the msm too much credit. They will screw the facts but pretend to be honest about them.

    Out and Out lazy liars and servants with no honor is a better discription.
    Picture Igor jumping to obey his master.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

  • creeper

    Speaking of polling, I got a call last night from Rasmussen.  Besides polling on approval of the pResident, they wanted to know who I would vote for if the election were held today–Barack Obama or, get this, Tim Pawlenty.  Never even mentioned Palin.

    I tell you, the fix is already in.

  • cathnealon

    Seattlegonz

    How do we bloggers, former liberal Dems(after attending the DNC RBC meeting at the Wardman in DC, May 31, 2008, I woke up)enlighten others enough so that they stop using polls as their brains! Is the alternative media and the conservatives who are not buying into the smears doing enough to expose the Axelrodian Branding machine?

    I have been reading noquarter since before the 2008 election-and I am so glad I hung in there-your analysis is shining a light on the Left’s use of polls as a tool for political assasination.

  • greenlantern

    TIM PAWLENTY???? PAALEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    This scoundrel has yet to held accountable for his part in the I-35 bridge collapse in Minneapolis. Skinning down the transportation funding for the state to the point where there were insufficient inspections done on bridges just so he could be the “No New Taxes” darling and slime his way to a white house run. He has the blood of 13 Minnesotans on his hands.

    Plus, he’ll bore more people to death with his tepid oatmeal personality.

  • helenk
  • Noogan

    Diana, thank you. The images I can conjure up, ala Dickens’s treatment of Dick Morris are deliciously devilish. :)   

    Love it! :)

  • Noogan

    She would have won the delegate vote if the DNC hadn’t taken 4 delegates from her she earned and given 55 delegates to Obama–WHO WASN’T EVEN ON THE BALLOT–in Michigan. And, they engaged in voting fraud in Florida by not counting votes as “one-man-one-vote” because Hillary was going to win in Florida, too, unless the Demcrats CHEATED. 

    Oh, I’m still infuriated by it after all these years!  >:o

    Thanks Seattlegonz, great post, provocative, and challenging. It’s so important that people learn to spot the media narratives as they are framing them; they’re always way out ahead, seeking to establish the story! That’s what MSNBC’s new slogan is all about “Lean Forward!” It’s code for “Let’s establish the narrative early.” 

  • seattlegonz

    Creeper, they must be afraid of what the response will be if Palin is in the survey. You know if they were confident that the polls would show her losing they’d ask the question.

    They’re desperate to have the gop pick someone from near to chi-town.

  • Anita Finlay

    Unfortunately, i think the other thing that will change the narrative is if people who disagree with the b.s. of Morris, Schultz, OLbermann, phony polls et al is to get far more vocal and be relentless in offering a different and more factual narrative. The reward for that will be more name calling and condemnations from those elites who are addicted to holding sway over how the masses think. It isn’t going to be pretty.

    I will never forget how Hillary store up throughout the primaries no matter how much crawp they dishes against her. In the end, though, there were just too many stab wounds from those in her own party, not to mention a relentless and complicit media.

  • oowawa

    “but, now there’s no chance she can win the presidency. And what’s most important is that we beat Obama.”

    Well, I know I haven’t written the first part of that, but I do agree with the second part and probably wrote it in similar words. 

    This I do know: if Palin is the candidate, the feeding frenzy in the MSM is going to be unprecedented.  It will make all of the previous attacks on Hillary and Palin combined look like love pats.  It is going to be very hard on Sarah and her family.  It’s going to make most of us furious, and I’m already very angry.   Are we ready for this?  I’ll be supporting her, but I think I’m going to have to turn up the loud rock-and-roll another notch, and it’s already on “11.”

  • seattlegonz

    cathnealon,

    Yours is a  great question and I’m not sure I have an answer to it. As I’ve mentioned before, the thing that amazed me about Hillary is that she continued to campaign against Obama even though the polls, the pols, the pundits, the press, and the bots were employing every imaginable tact – lying, stealing, bullying, shame, etc. to run her out of the race, and us out of favor. Hillary kept campaigning against Obama…making the case to us, the people, and many of us finally heard her, and saw the discrepenancy between her words and actions and what was being said about her words and actions.

    So, I take my cue from her. All I can think to do is to talk to people. Tell them what I’ve experienced. It isn’t easy, but, women wouldn’t have the vote, we wouldn’t have property if not for women and men daring to stand up and speak out against injustice.

    Really, that’s all I know to do.

  • Anita Finlay

    The only thing that will have any chance to change the phony narrative no matter who runs is for people to provide a real one of their one by being dedicated to discrediting and shouting down that of Morris, Schultz, Olbermann, Rich, et al. The reward will be name calling and insults just as Hillary supporters endured in 2008. I isn’t going to be pretty.

    I will never forget how Hillary store up throughout the primaries no matter how much crawp they dishes against her. In the end, though, there were just too many stab wounds from those in her own party, not to mention a relentless and complicit media.

  • seattlegonz

    Lean forward…code for get in their faces.

    I think it’s great that the connections are being made between Hillary and Sarah…if just a small number of democrats make that connection and therefore abdicate from the trash tactic of demeaning Palin…that’s fantastic.

    It kills me that the bots, to this day, think Obama won. They can’t see that everything that was done with MI, FL, super delegates, was all antithetical to Democratic Party values.

    It did kill the party. Count every vote was a core value. When you sell your soul you have nothing left.

  • MrX

    What people don’t realize is that those kinds of attacks can backfire.  Also, they have nothing left on Palin.  As we’ve seen recently, they’ll have to make stuff up.  Sure, they’ll nitpick anything they can, but the pushback on that has already begun.  If someone other than Palin runs, you may be correct that it won’t be as bad.  But then, the Left will have a candidate that they know Obama can beat.  That’s all there is to it.  The Left attacks more viciously the bigger the Republican candidate is a threat to reelecting Obama.

  • MikeP

    And Atlas Shrugged…….

  • IADK3SLT guest :(

    Everyone know Sarah Palin can win, that’s why the #democrats and media have been trying so hard to hit her now.  If they can’t stop Republicans from putting her forward and challenging Obama, they lose.

    The media/democrats hit hard, attack ad smear who they fear.  They will be easiest on who they feel Obama has best chances of beating.

    If that isn’t clear, they haven’t been paying attention.  This was never so glaring as the Tucson shooting when all the media/networks took to being an extention of the Oranganzing for America Obama re-election campaign by all following the same searing attacking talking points put out, knowing they were lies and accusing someone of a crime that was totally made up.

    Best, they bought their own bull, they expected they would be safe, if they all banned together to do this and would scare Republicans and / or Sarah Palin from enterring the presidential race.  Obviously they haven’t been paying attention to reality either.

    She will not sit down/sit out and shut up.

  • oowawa

    Yes, of course they’ll make stuff up.  And the “she’s stupid” and “she’s a quitter” themes will be recirculated ad nauseam.  We can see the battle-lines arrayed against us, and they’re very formidable.  Okay–let’s do it; it’s going to be a battle royale . . .

  • Mr. Natural

    It will be 1964 all over again, with Palin, most popular with Joe Sixpack GOP Voter being used as a stalking horse for the Establishment GOP candidate.

    I think she’s pretty sharp, with the tenacity of a badger, but she’s ALSO a gift to the quasi-Communist, tree-hugging Liberals that keeps on giving.

    Without Sarah Palin, someone on the Left would have to invent a new Golem.

  • helenk

    OT
    Republican Paul Ryan will deliver the reply to the state of the union speech.

    This is a good pick for that job.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

  • trixta

    Thanks, Diana and Seattlegonz, for your comments.  As for my observations in some classes in the Gender and Womens Study Dept at a high profile university, I was shocked in 2008 to hear no admission that sexism and misogyny had anything to do with the treatment of Hillary or Sarah Palin.  The most one scholar would admit to was a class bias against Palin.  In fact, Sarah and Hillary were only brought up in and out of  class as straw women and punching bags.     

  • trixta

    Morris knew Hill and Bill at Yale, I believe, and she must have rebuffed his advances, or so I’ve heard.  I think he’s also mad for getting the boot for his toe-sucking dalliances with a prostitute while he worked for the Clintons.
    Perhaps Hillary had him fired.  In any case, he has it out for Hillary; no so much for Bill, however.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Unfortunately, whether it’s true or not, the narrative has already become entrenched in most people’s minds. The Democrats have always been very successful at this, of course, it helps to have the MSM in their corner constantly repeating the narrative, and never bothering to correct it when it is easily shown to be false.

    Newt shut down the government; Newt said he wanted SS to whither on the vine; Palin said she could see Russia from her house; McCain said he knew nothing about the economy; Republicans and the right in general have fomented violence against the peaceful and demure left; Palin banned Harry Potter; Bush caused Hurricane Katrina; and the list is endless. The list of urban myths about Palin alone is endless.

    You can’t un-ring a bell, and no matter how often they’re corrected, the nitwits with PDS will simply refuse to accept that their perception of Palin is based upon a manufactured fiction, it was the first story they heard, and that was all they’ll ever need to hate Palin.

    When the Virginia Tech shooter attacked, there wasn’t ridiculous speculation that he had acted out of rage created by right wing vitriol, but with the remarkably similar Tucson shooter, there were immediate voices blaming Palin specifically, and the right wing in general. They all had blood on their hands. Yet, as more information became known about Loughner, that he was NOT influenced in any way by Palin or the right, that he was more of a leftist who was inspired by generally leftist conspiracy nonsense, there was only a brief lull in the Palin is responsible theme. Instead of what should have been a deeply embarrassed MSM letting that story die, they realized the the false narrative had actually taken hold, and they renewed their attacks for the “blood libel” nonsense, and they increased their attacks when polls suggested that Palin’s favorability was dropping, the bastards smelled blood in the water.

    Palin has simply become a ratings grabber. She’s the Michael Jackson of the political world, and any news story, whether good or bad, will get tons of attention. The cable Tabloid, MSMBC, can always count on pervasive PDS to drive viewership whenever they trash Palin, and I’m sure they understand that they will increase their viewership if they can just infect more people with PDS, they’re addicting people to Palin hatred the way drug dealers get their clients hooked on drugs. This isn’t any longer about Palin, it’s about ratings. FOX gets ratings spikes when they feature Palin, the people who love Palin swarm to their TV’s, and MSMBC, Huffpoo, Kos, etc., can always count on spikes when they provide another Palin hit piece.

    Can Palin shake free of this dilemma? I don’t know how. My Google Chrome still flags her name as a misspelling, this stopped with Obama two years ago. Do you think this double standard is an oversight?

  • carol haka, not your average Matzo Cracker

    I’m salivating for a Palin/Ryan ticket.

    Can you imagine?

    Damn.  This country would soar to the Heavens with a real recovery.

    :-D :* :-D

  • Diana L. C.

    seattlegonz,

    And, IMHO, that is why SP electrified us at the GOP nominating convention.  She gave such a clear Anti-Obama speech, saying things that no one else had said before (except for a few people on Fox) to a very large American audience. 

    I kept thinking that if McCain had not tried to take the high road and had instead kept battering him on the many things that we all knew about him, the election could have ended differently.  It was always clear that Obaby was far more worried about what Hillary would say during the primary and then about what SP would say in the GE.  It almost appeared in the end that he felt he was running against SP instead of against McCain.

  • Diana L. C.

    I agree with you, seattlegonz and Anita, we must all start NOW to bring up what we know about O every chance we get to everyone we have a chance to engage in conversation about the Pretender in Chief. 

    I do, every time I get someone willing to hear, whether standing in line to pay my co-pay at KP before an appointment, to standing in line at the grocery store, at my family get togethers with cousins (since many, unlike two of my siblings, are inclined to think my way about O), to saying things to my sons who tend not to talk politics–just every chance I get.

    That’s why I become sad that there seems to be such bitter arguments here about the “birther” issue.  My whole goal is to just attack, attack, attack his narrative every chance I get in any way I can–make people think a little.

  • greenlantern

    OA: You sound very resigned and defeated already. Cheer up! This is much sound and fury signifying nothing, I believe. The worse it gets, the more we can be assured she’s a contender. Besides, we don’t need no stinkin’ Dems or MSNBC viewers to vote for Palin. We’re tellin’ them like Donna Braizille told us: Take your vote and shove it! The Left is becoming more and more of a marginalized/minority every day.

  • greenlantern

    Back to you, Carol! :*   ;)

  • IADK3SLTguest

    YEP and when the “old guys” were trying to muzzle him with their promises and goals, then Sarah came out and endorsed his plans in that WSJ op ed.

    …. I am very happy they have chosen him, a sharp person that many support, including Mort Zuckerman….and heaven forbid I say it, ( I don’t know if she realized he was a Republican) Babs Streisand applauded at that Aspen retreat last year.

  • tango

    Good luck Carol. I’m keeping my fingers crossed for you. ;)

  • Cindy

    Onofre—”the Michael Jackson of the political world.” Wow. You nailed it, kiddo. …Great comment.

  • tango

    Well we know the Insider pieces are probably all made up but if any part of them is based in truth, look what it says about Palin:

    “Not bad, but frankly, Palin is no longer the threat she was to the party not so long ago.  I have heard first hand there is no way she gets the nomination.  As in NO WAY.  Understand?”That basically makes it sound like the GOP (and Democrats) will do whatever they need to do to make sure she doesn’t run and if she does, to make sure she not win the nomination. I could read that to mean voter fraud, threats, violence against Palin or her family or whatever.  “I also believe Mike Huckabee is the frontrunner for the Republicans and the man most capable of defeating Obama in 12.  More important to any of that though is what comes out of  House oversight in the next month or so.  If it appears quiet, I fear a deal was made and Obama survives the scandal. ”Huckabee? Oh no, from what I hear, Huckabee appears to look even less like he’s running but who knows. Out of the soggy cucumber sandwich boys, Huckabee I think is the least likely to beat Obama in a Presidential election. No wonder the insider is pushing him. He’s who the Obama WH are dying to run against since they know they’ll win no problem.

    Read more: http://newsflavor.com/politics/world-politics/white-house-insider-obama-celebrates-shortly-after-delivering-tucson-memorial-speech/#ixzz1BhuUzXLj

  • Cindy

    helnk—that is wonderful news! Thank you!

  • Cindy

    yttik—yes, Palin is a fighter…If she feels she should be President, she won’t go down without a fight. That’s what I admire about her.
    She is a rock!

  • Madame deFarge

    And yet another unsubstantiated accusation reared its ugly head today on Comcast news…”Palin Dogged by Affair Rumor”…Hahahaha…dogged by whom?  DK?  Puff Ho? Axelrod already working in Chicago?   Is Andrew Sullivan still living?  He becomes a snarling dog at the mere mention of her name.  Definitely Mom issues there.  I seem to remember Sarah brushing off some mention of this a long way back with “Please…have you seen Todd?”  So the personal smears will start up again along with the narrative they push.  I hope it backfires big time.

  • armymom

    Morris and Bob Beckel are auditioning for the sequence of Batman and the Penquin. I hear they’re both up for the Penquin character. lol

  • greenlantern

    Good for you, Diana!
    I always manage to say something to upset the liberal elite in my classes at the university. I’m sure they all think I’ve got something like political Tourette’s syndrome. I’m aiming now for the “concern troll” voice now that says “I feel so bad for Obama’s supporters that he turned out to be such a disappointment to them”. Then I shake my head sadly.

  • yttik

    I’m following Palin to the end of the line. I’d rather go down fighting like hell then compromise for a candidate that the media thinks would be more appropriate, like a Huckabee or a Romney or an Obama. I think it’s way past time for people to stop letting the media pick our candidates for us.

    Yes, I want Obama out of there, but look what happened to people on the Left who could only focus on getting Bush out of there. They went and voted themselves in what many of them now refer to as Bush the Third.

  • Cathy in Ks.

    I’ve heard too that Morris had the “hots” for Hillary.  I didn’t know it was at Yale.  But Morris does act like a “spurned suitor” or better yet someone who couldn’t even “catch her eye” when it comes to Hillary. He’s always had a certain level of respect for Bill and I’ve heard him defend Bill on Hannity but not so with Hillary.

  • Onofre’s arm

    I haven’t given up hope GL, I’m just trying to provide the most objective assessment of Palin’s situation, because an overly emotional perspective, either for or against Palin, will not be useful for engineering the logical game plan needed for Palin to come from three scores behind in the fourth quarter and beat Obama. At this point though, I’m less concerned about Palin becoming President than I am about getting rid of Obama. 

    At this point, it’s Obama’s game to lose, it will be tough for ANYONE to overcome the home field advantage that he enjoys because he can use the Bully Pulpit, a sycophant media, and he’ll ramp up the type of appearances that can only make him look good (MEmorials?). Last Wednesday was a good example of what I mean. He had all the networks and an entire country focused on him while he shamelessly used the MEmorial to boost his approval, while Palin only give an 8 minute speech online in order to quell demands that she defend herself from false and malicious, downright evil accusations. I KNOW beyond any doubt that Palin’s speech was far more sincere, and appropriately low key, while Obama was his usual phony self, with an outrageously staged and glitzy backdrop filled with genuflecting Obamunists, but my opinion of the two performances, like many other’s like mine, is simply lost in a cataclysm of nauseatingly positive MSM Obama butt kissing. Home field advantage tough to overcome.

  • Cathy in Ks.

    greenlantern, thanks for sharing “I feel so bad for Obama’s supporters that he turned out to be such a disappointment to them.”  That’s great!  I can’t wait to use it on some libs I know.  “Kill them with empathy”.

  • Anita Finlay

    Eek!  Must proof better!!  my comment above should read — one of their OWN” and the way Hillary “STOOD up.”

    :-[

  • Cathy in Ks.

    oowawa, you’re right about the name-calling.  I heard some of Hannity’s radio program the other day.  A woman with Palin Derangement Syndrome called Hannity.  Her voice sounded “sane” but it was obvious within a few seconds, the woman had no “thinking or reasoning” skills. Her main problem with Palin was that she didn’t like Sarah Palin and therefore Sarah Palin had no right to defend herself against false and vicious attacks aimed at her by the “left” following the Arizona shooting.  Hannity exposed this woman’s real problem – “PDR” – but I swear the woman was clueless.  She didn’t even know she had been “had” by Hannity.  I’m afraid these “mindless wonders” who supported Obama in 2008 are a substantial minority even now.  They may have become older but certainly not wiser or even more intelligent.  We have our work cut out for us. 

  • Kathleen Wynne

    Anita,

    You’re exactly right.  We must shout down Morris, Olberman, Schultz, etc.  Otherwise, their lies will be viewed as the truth.

    Women are at the precipice of a sea change in finally breaking through that glass ceiling Hillary spoke so eloquently about when she concedeted her candidacy in June.  The patriarchy is scared shitless that women are finally recognizing their power being over half the population.

    We can only hope that the awakening of that power will finally come to fruition soon and women stop attacking each other anl join together in a common cause to stop the insanity unleased by a frightened and dangerous patriachy against any woman who dares to stand up to them.

  • Madame deFarge

    I blog about 5/31/08 to this day.  It amazes me that the Republicans seem clueless about what happened.  I suppose because so many of them are about even on dislike of Hillary and O.  But it’s important to keep repeating how they were given the primary illegitimately.  I’ll never forget those women in the back of the room crying, screaming, enraged at what they were seeing.  Well, I saw it too on C-Span.  Every lying minute of it.  I was in tears as well because I knew there was no going back.  I’m glad now but it was very painful to see the truth behind the DNC.  It changed everything I had believed my whole adult life about the Democrat…I can’t bear to put the “ic” on the end..Party. 

    I’ve also challenged people about perpetuating the lies about Sarah.  After I knock down the lie I usually say that her opponents “make up stories about her and that they shouldn’t allow themselves to be misled”…and if they get in my face I tell them to shut up until they know what they’re talking about …that I won’t listen to lies and distortions.  They do shut up…and those will never convert to Sarah.  They are the pepetuators.

  • Madame deFarge

    Cathy in Ks, that’s the advice Michael Savage once gave…standing in line at the grocery if you see someone pick up a magazine with Obama on the cover, comment that you are so sad…upset…disappointed, whatever fits…that you wasted your vote on him when he didn’t keep his promises.

  • Athena for America

    How many late nights were there after the primaries… as results were coming in that Hillary took to the podium, cheering supporters surrounding her….Chelsea at her side where she gave a rousing speech?   The press had repeated the same meme the whole day of that primary that Obama was out raising her and there was just no-way Hillary could continue.  SHe would finish her speech with “go to Hillaryclinton.com to make a donation”.  It got to where after the second or third time she did this a group of friends and I who had gathered to watch the results would yell out along with her ….”HillaryClinton.com!” 

    I can just see it now.  “Go to SarahforPresident.com”…. or whatever it is.  And whoever said it first, that she wouln’t quit was right.  She will take it to the end.  GOP has decided to appropriate the delegates proporionately, no more winner take all, which will prolong the the nomination process for the GOP.

    GO TO SARAHFORPRESIDENT.COM…….HAHAHAHA.  It is going to be fun to watch.  “Obama got all his campaign funds from small donations of $200 or less.”  Yea right from ALL OVER THE WORLD!

  • Madame deFarge

    Since Obama has sent the Palestineans billions of dollars, I suppose we can expect the Hamas boys to donate again along with all their relatves.

    I saw the poll on Hannity tonight that puts Huckabee at 19%, Sarah at 17% and Romney next.  The air won’t clear until the debates.  My prediction is that Sarah will wipe up the floor with all of them.

  • Madame deFarge

    relatives…

  • kenoshamarge

    From your keyboard to women, in great numbers ears. We have the numbers to have the power. Time to stop getting all warm and fuzzy over some man. That giggly, girly crap infuriates and disgusts me.

    But then I don’t get all warm and fuzzy over any politician. Some are better than others but most are, JMO, less credible than a used car salesman or someone selling Sham-Wow.

  • kenoshamarge

    Can’t take credit for the word Daisy Mae because I stole it from someone else. I can’t give them credit cause I don’t remember who it was. Personally I think it’s an unfair slam at prostitutes who at least, or so I’ve heard, give satisfaction to their customers.

  • kenoshamarge

    Creeper I see nothing nefarious in poling being done about Pawlenty. I imagine that there will be polling done on all the potential candidates.

    Sarah Palin gets more attention then all the other candidates combined. So what’s with the outrage?

    The response is why I so often just leave. If you don’t “like” Pawlenty or would not support him that’s fine. But immediately there is the character assassination. He’s not just not your cup of tea, he’s a killer.

    I like both Pawlenty and Daniels and think they would make a hell of a lot better presidents than the POS in the Oval Office now.

    I would support Sarah Palin if she ran, but that doesn’t mean that I think she’s above reproach. And as a Moderate Independent there are things about her conservatism that bother me. As there is about most Republicans. However right now I’m focused on my loathing for the left so many of the Republicans are getting more of a pass than they should be.

    I don’t like politicians. Period. I think they are liars and cheats and believe that they have the right to cut corners and do things the rest of us are not allowed to do. Thus I regard ALL of them with a jaundiced eye. But that doesn’t mean I think they are demons or murderers or Nazis or whatever.

  • Noogan

    Legal Insurrection Blog. Good stuff. 

    http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/

  • seattlegonz

    Hi, all,

    Just wanted to let you know that I’ve been at a school retreat yesterday and this weekend. Sorry I have’t been able to keep up with your fine comments.

    I see that someone posted a Huckabee is the only one who can beat obama poll. Yeah, not so much. Huckabee is another one Obama would like to run against because Huckabee has some pretty radical ideas. (I heard him speak about this, and I apologize if I’m misstating it, but he was talking about the constitution needing to be God based.) I think Americans are desperate for someone to adhere to the constitution, not rewrite it.

  • greenlantern

    “The response is why I so often just leave. If you don’t “like” Pawlenty or would not support him that’s fine. But immediately there is the character assassination. He’s not just not your cup of tea, he’s a killer”.

    Sorry for my extreme response, KMarge. Don’t go. I believe what I wrote about Pawlenty and it is personal for me. I am a lifelong resident of Minnesota and I live in Minneapolis.  

  • Concerned

    minitrue.

  • kenoshamarge

    Sorry for my little hissy fit too GL.

    I just get tired of ordinary politicians being attacked as evil demons. Most are not only ordinary they are bores, boors, and wouldn’t have a job with most private enterprises due to lack of competence and willingness to do the work. I don’t really “like” any politician, I just “dislike” some less than others.

    I respect any-one’s right to like, support, dislike or not support any pol. I just don’t think we need to “demonize” them. We accuse the politicians of doing that all the time when they don’t stick to the issues and just do character assassination.

    Pawlenty was your governor and thus you have a perspective on him that I don’t. But I’ll tell ya one thing, I’d have traded your Pawlenty for our Doyle here in Wisconsin in a heartbeat.

    I did go away for a while because that’s what I do when I’m angry or annoyed. Keeps me from saying something I’ll later regret. Mostly.

  • wodiej patriotdawg

    I for one am not going to allow the liberals, media and the Republican elite choose who I feel will do the most good for this country while being a principled person who understands and embraces our exceptionalism and founding values.  We don’t have the luxury of being passive, fearful, apprehensive folks-this is it.  If we don’t support Palin it won’t matter who wins the nomination because no one that I’ve seen yet has proven that they will either stand up to Obama or that they can overcome him.  If Palin was not a threat they would not be spending night and day trying to discredit her.  In doing so they have inadvertently built her up higher. 

    I dont’ see how any polling could be accurate especially at this point. No one has officially announced they are running.  There have been no debates, no speeches, no campaigning.  Even so, I still would not trust polling with the forces of evil going against the good.

    So, you have to decide are you going to take the road less traveled or are you going to let the liberals and Republican elite continue to win and destroy our country?

  • politicsisdirty

    Very good point. I was watching Hannity last week and one statement that I very well remember was from a political pundit named Carol Swain. She said that this coming 2012 primary election, Repubs have to be careful about choosing their Presidential candidate.

    They have to resist the temptation of having the Lame Stream Media choose the candidate for them.

    Remember John McCain?

  • tango

    Well as the Outsider said of the 2008 elections, Obama choose who he wanted his GOP opponent to be.  McCain. And since McCain wasn’t winning the polls, his group via the media started planting positive stories in the press about him, jazzing up his poll numbers and so on. They had to create positive buzz around McCain so he’d win the GOP primary. And he did. And what happened then? They beat him! It would’ve been worse of a defeat if McCain hadn’t chosen Palin I think but stuck with another moderate Republican for his VP candidate.

    So by that thinking, Obama wants Huckabee because they feel he’s the easiest to beat.  And Huckabee with his new 3 million dollar Florida home in construction and a new Fox News contract doesn’t appear to be willing to give all that up.  But you can bet, if the DNC, Obama and the MSM can find a way to show how popular he is and how he wins all the GOP polls and does well, then it’s hope Huckabees ego will be such that he’ll fall for the bait. Declare he’s running and then the MSM & Democratic party will do all they can to make sure he wins via positive press. And the GOP will fall for it because they’ll see all the positive press and think “hey, this guy has problems but noones talking about them and his numbers are good so he just might win so I guess I’ll vote for him over someone who the press doesn’t like (Palin).”  Then if Huckabee does win,  you can bet within a few weeks, all the positive press stops and all of a sudden you start hearing about him pardoning men who went on mass murder sprees, his radical ideas, etc.

    I expect the Democrats think the same about most of the other GOP possible contenders to some extent.  And investigations are ongoing into the candidates looking for dirt or weak spots and battle plans are being drawn to rank and choose who they want to win and run against next if Huckabee doesn’t run.

    The last person the MSM and Obama’s reelection crew want to see win is Palin.  She will fight hard and at this point has absolutely nothing to loose and that makes her very dangerous as a political opponent.

    Obama is going to the middle because while he has no real desire to be President another 4 years, his ego is such he can’t be just a one term President so must be reelected. He hopes doing so will win him the moderates back, make running for reelection easier and guarantee he will win.  As long as he has plenty of poeple around him to do the heavy boring day to day work of the Presidency and all he has to do is give speeches and travel the US and world, then he’ll suffer through for the financial and reputation legacy it gives him to be a two termer. 

    Valerie Jarret runs the White House. It was mentioned on MSNBC yesterday (and noone followed up and went WTF???) that there are members of his cabinet Obama has never spoken to directly since they were appointed!  I find that very weird. 

  • politicsisdirty

    I like Hucakabee but he is a wimp just like John McCain.

    The candidate who can beat Obama should be the one who is willing to return fire if necessary. Somebody who would not play nicey nicey to the Obama, the Democrats or the Lame Stream Media. Just recently he praised Obama. That is not the way to treat the opposition. If you have nothing bad to say, just keep quiet. That is the basic rule of success in marketing a product.

    Another strategy that Obama employs which the Repub candidate should learn is …LET YOUR MINIONS DO THE DIRTY WORK FOR YOU AND MAINTAIN A HIGHER GROUND. While they savage your enemy, call for civility. That is Obama strategy that worked against Hillary and McCain. A strategy that most people seem NOT to understand

    And lastly, your minions should always be on the lookout for misinformation by the Lame Stream Media. News from ABC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN and New York Times should be monitored regularly and countered out right. Better still have a proactive approach to all possible misinformation than reactive approach.

  • seattlegonz

    Hey, trixta…and that class bias argument is a hidden slander attempting to paint Palin as low class. Because one of Obama’s big weaknesses is how he looks down on Americans, is out of touch and condescending, they’re going to try and make him like a snobby ferrarri…something that all Americans “want” even if the ferrarri hates them and cringes everytime it comes in contact with real people.

  • seattlegonz

    Carol — how did it go?

  • Noogan

    I’m voting for the Republican nominee, even if it isn’t Palin, or I’m voting for Ron Paul if he runs again. Either way, I won’t be voting for Democrats and I want Obama gone. 

  • Noogan

    They should choose Mitch Daniels, with Paul Ryan as his running mate. 

    Sigh. But they won’t. They’ll choose Tim Pawlenty or Mike Huckabee [gag me] or Thune, or Romney. 

    And, then they’ll lose. 

  • seattlegonz

    GL — I also meant to say that Obama’s tactic of painting his opponents with the bad and corrupt things he does was and is a constant strategy of his.

    .

  • PssttCmere

    Again….this shows how afraid the left is of Sarah Palin.

    Just when you think the dems cannot sink any lower, they do!!

    “Say What You Will…It Feels So Good”

  • seattlegonz

    Great point Diana. That’s exactly right. He was running against Palin and that battle wasn’t easy.

    Right now the political battle is for the majority of women voters. Democrats realize the their ridiculous obama-love has put the women’s vote in flux. That terrifies them. They’re all over the place trying to secure replacements — young people, hispanics. Rather than just be the party with a vision for the future they’re just about taking advantage of the voter for power.

  • oowawa

    Thinking of John McCain, here’s a memo for all prospective GOP candidates: stop saying nice things about Thee One!  The MSM and the Dems will do plenty of that!  Put on your battle gear, and get ready to rumble!  Love pats are not going to win the fight!

  • guest

    SARAH FOR PRESIDENT:
    http://www.palinaspresident.us/

  • lemonv

    Well. maybe they are perfecting the corollary to the Big Lie, which is “If you tell a lie over and over again, there will come a time that it will become the truth as percieved by us.”