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“Give a Man a Fish, Feed Him for a Day …

… TEACH A MAN TO FISH, FEED HIM FOR A LIFETIME!”

While there are so many issues being debated during this election, it seems clear to me that the relative merits of our current tax system as highlighted by “that one’s” interaction with “Joe the Plumber” will carry the day.

Amidst all the rhetoric and spin that is giving me a headache, I thought it may be helpful for all of us to take a deep breath and merely “review” some data so that we can make as informed and thoughtful a decision as possible.

Let’s lay out some data that I collected from a variety of reputable sources (Kiplingers, U.S. Census Bureau, WSJ) and then go from there. To be fair, the numbers are taken from the last few years but for our argument here, the big picture will be very much in focus.

BREAKDOWN OF INCOME AND TAXES PAID BY CATEGORY

Income Category 2004 AGI Percent of all income Percent of income taxes paid
Top 1% Over $328K 19% 37%
Top 5% Over $137.5K 33% 57%
Top 10% Over $99.1K 44% 68%
Top 25% Over $60K 66% 85%
Top 50% Over $30.1K 87% 97%
Bottom 50% Under $30.1K 13% 3%

Source: IRS

*** Bottom 35% pay 0 federal income tax ***

2. WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT the Top 5%? (Source: U.S. Census Bureau)?

(Obviously, if I were a full-time professional journalist and not merely a concerned citizen, I would make sure that my year-to-year comparison was fully aligned between Kiplingers and the U.S. Census Bureau … what I am trying to achieve though is a focus on the big picture and I think my points will be clear.)

The income break point is 157k — 90% correlation with college educated and two-parent families, so can somebody please enlighten me as to why I see the break point for the top 5% of income earners as being at 150k +/- and “that one” is saying that all those individuals below 200k (families below 250k) will get a tax cut?

Are we being duped and that number should really be 150K?

3. INCOME LEVELS by LEVEL of EDUCATION (U.S. Census Bureau)

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4. Family Structure (Source: Wall St. Journal)

70% of newly born African Americans are born into a single parent structure.

50% of newly born Hispanic Americans are born into a single parent structure.

App 30% of newly born Caucasian Americans are born into a single parent structure.

Please accept my apology for not having the data for Asian Americans or Native Americans, but for our purpose here I think the above will suffice.

5. Dropout Rates (America’s Promise Alliance) = CRISIS! 1.2 million American children are dropping out of school every year! This rate is trending higher and has solidified the underclass in our society. Over a 10-year time period, it represents 4% of our population. Over a 20-year time frame, at that rate, it represents 8% of our population! This trend has been growing over the last 30 years.

The overwhelming percentage of these dropouts come from the inner cities where approximately 50% of students drop out!

Graduation Rates (Source: CBS News, America’s Promise Alliance):

Detroit 25% — Indianapolis 30% — Cleveland 34% — Baltimore 35% — New York City 45% — Los Angeles 45%

Against the backdrop of all this information, why is it that it is not only the top 5% but even the great middle class (guys like “Joe the Plumber) who look at our tax system and realize that “spreading the wealth” is the equivalent of “throwing good money after bad”.

What do I mean by that?

Given the current state of our socioeconomic system, the poverty that is embedded in the system is being perpetuated by the GROWING LACK Of FAMILY STRUCTURE and the DELINQUENT INNER CITY SCHOOLS.

“That One’s” redistribution of wealth is the equivalent of “throwing good money after bad” because it does not address the core issues that are holding those in the inner cities back.

While I do not pretend that I can “deliver personal responsibility” upon people and magically have children born into marital bliss, I do know that enormous numbers in the inner cities know that education is the only way for future generations to get out of poverty.

As was recently written in the NY Times (yes, how about that) in describing the school administration in Washington D.C., “a RAPACIOUS CENTRAL BUREAUCRACY THAT WAS INFAMOUS FOR WASTING MONEY AND THWARTING REFORM.”

John McCain very succinctly highlighted the need for:

1. increased accountability in assessing inner city school boards and administrations

2. promoting the development and implementation of more charter schools in the inner cities, and

3. allowing for more widespread use of school vouchers.

Time and again, inner-city parents have clamored for all of these measures to be implemented. What has gotten done? The situation has only gotten worse. …..wasting money and thwarting reform!

What did BO do while he was involved with the Chicago public schools?

How come his time spent there and his accomplishments there have not garnered greater focus?

Obama did call for more charter schools but he whiffed when confronted on the vouchers. WHY?

Very simply, it is because Obama and the Democratic Party are held hostage by the teachers unions in this country. With drop-out rates of 50% and above, why is it that this crowd isn’t shown the door?

The unions and bureaucracy may not be the TOTAL problem but, as highlighted by the quote about the D.C school system and the figures presented, they certainly are not part of the solution.

Charter schools and vouchers are making some progress in certain cities but the power of those mechanisms are stifled by the bureaucracy and unions. All of us are paying for it.

You know who gets this?? The American public gets this.

Whether they are in the middle class or the upper tax brackets, they know that the current system is broken because it penalizes those who are working hard to improve their lot.

Guys like “Joe the Plumber” don’t want the government handout, they merely want the government to “get their hand out” of their pocket. How does it penalize them, because each marginal dollar is taxed at ever higher rates.

Those on the upper end are enticed to move income overseas (including Canada which just reelected Stephen Harper on a platform of lower taxes across the board) or merely stop producing altogether. Those in the middle class see and feel the waste as well.

With all due respect to those in the lower incomes, they have little to no “skin in the game,” thus the wasteful spending is not impactful to them. Additionally, given that BO is proposing to “give them a fish”, they are not incentivized to “learn” how to fish because if in fact they start to catch some fish of their own and generate greater income, they lose the “handout” and then have to commit even greater time and effort to getting ahead. Thus what we are left with currently are disincentives and waste. These disincentives and waste are only exacerbated under Obama’s plan.

Our country needs to address the causes not the effects of our tax code and educational underperformance.

Reward work at every level! Hold people accountable at every level! Help those who truly need the help, but help them by “teaching” them how to help themselves. This takes real courage and leadership which BO has NEVER truly displayed.

Without dramatic changes in our current inner city education structure and our tax code I am truly fearful that our country will continue to lose ground to our overseas competitors. We need real leadership!! We need John McCain!

Again, I share these thoughts and opinions with all due respect and humility. I love this great land and all my fellow Americans but I am deeply concerned for the paths on which BO would take us. He either doesn’t get it or he is too focused on his own ambition and power to display the courage and leadership we ALL need. God Bless America!

  • Katy

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/10/believers_in_obama.html

    Very interesting article regarding Obama lovers

    • http://JohnMcCain.com Galt, Master Thrall of Planet Triskelion

      Sorry I don’t feel like vomiting.

      • Leisa

        It is written by Thomas Sowell, it is good.

      • jbjd

        It is good; I read this earlier. The ‘comments’ make the writer’s point.

    • Steve1

      Lol, I thought you were talking about Larry Sinclair and others who we know are out there? When will they start to surface…? Where are his drug dealers? He did say he dropped, smoked, inhaled drugs?? When are they going to start talking? If Soetor wins what a mess!

  • doc99

    Barack Obama’s “Tax Cut” is the real voodoo economics.

    • BernieO

      I disagree about the tax increase. Clinton inacted the same kind of tax increase and it did not harm our economy. On the contrary it helped us erase the deficits.

      Joe Biden expressed my biggest concern about an Obama presidency when he weirdly said:

      “Mark my words.It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America….Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”. YIKES!

      Krushchev told people he thought JFK was so inexperienced he could be pushed around. That is why he was emboldened to put missiles in Cuba.Kenndy’s inexperience brought our country to the very brink of all-out nuclear war!
      EXPERIENCE AT THE TOP IS A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH!

      And people think Palin is not ready for prime time? What in the world is wrong with Joe Biden? He is a loose cannon.

      • Rob G in Chicago

        Bill Clinton did not raise taxes in the middle of a recession, like Obama plans to do.

  • Honora

    Give a man a fish and he will eat for one day, teach a man to fish and he will sit in a boat drinking beer for his lifetime.

  • http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com InsightAnalytical-GRL

    On the Ground in NM: Biden/Richardson/Endorsement Punch Hits So. NM; Big Early Voting Turnout; BREAKING: McCain May Be Here on Saturday

    http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/on-the-ground-in-nm-bidenrichardsonendorsement-punch-hits-so-nm-big-early-voting-turnout-breaking-mccain-may-be-here-on-saturday/

    Update–as of 6 am MT, still no firm news about a McCain visit here so. NM on Saturday…

  • benny

    LD, thank you for this wonderful article. Its really insighful and goes to the cause of the problem, and not just the effects. Other nations are already ahead on many of the parameters. If americans dont knuckle down and get to work on these problems, its just a matter of time before a complete collapse occurs. Unfortunately, Obama is just more of the same.

  • AnninCA

    LD…his first stated number WAS 150,000, and I feel we’ll see that in reality.

  • Judy L. NC

    Very interesting article. Thank you for all your hard work.

  • http://ahillarybmccainamericafirst.com/ Gerard “Barracudda” Nedich

    yes, very good point…

    the truth is Obama doesn’t want to enable poor folks getting these “tax breaks” to actually better themselves…

    he wants to trap them in a welfare state to bribe voters…

    anybody remember those smart teenagers who heckled and protested at an Obama rally saying that Obama has never done anything for the Black communuty?

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yJecsG-bKOI

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6_K-rC1AmCQ

    a. hillary
    b. mccain

    america first!

  • Alice Paul WPB

    Unfortunately a lot of people in our country would like to sit back and let the government take care of them in all ways.Instead of working hard they feel the rich owe them something. Which makes us ripe for Socialism.

    On another topic. BO has been in my state of Florida the past few days. He made a comment I believe when he was in Tampa for people to go out a vote early because you don’t know what may happen? I kept thinking that that was strange although most things he says are strange to me.

    Any way with the events that happened last night with him going off to see his sick gram (hope she does better)but also the law suite in Hawaii for him to produce his BC. I’m starting to wonder what exactly he ment by something happening!

    • lisa in va

      I think it is very convenient that his grandmother takes a turn for the worse, after his Powell endorsement fell flat. I think its more than likely that he is going there for the lawsuit…to try to hush things up.

    • C.S.

      With at least three separate lawsuits (Berg, Washington state, Hawaii) to worry about, “something” just might happen; especially since the 30 days has run out in the Berg v Obama case and that infamous Rule 36 has kicked in.

      http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/Rule36.htm

      And since we didn’t impeach GWB for his sins and Soertoro/Obama doesn’t seem to know much about Constitutional Law (in spite of “lecturing” on it) he probably thinks if he “wins” (steals) the election he automatically still becomes president. But this could bring about that feared Constitutional crisis all politicians talk about to keep us from protesting too much.

      (Why is it every time something legal is pending, Obama takes off to see his “typical white” Grandma but ignores her the rest of the time?)

      • Alice Paul WPB

        Thanks for the link. I did go to para-legal school years ago but this is still confusing.
        Does it mean BO had 30 days to respond and he hasn’t?

        Also forgive typo above ment to say suit not suite!

      • AnninCA

        I don’t think Obama is paying the slightest bit of attention to this lawsuit. It strikes me as a nuisance suit.

        His grandmother is ready to pass away. He’s going to pay his respects.

        Nothing more.

        Not everything is a big conspiracy.

        • Deep Truths

          If she was passing away she’d be in the hospital. If it were urgent he’d be on the first plane, not waiting until tomorrow. Then he’s coming back Saturday.

          Try to spin that, apologist.

          • AnninCA

            She may wish to pass away at home with hospice care.

            I really thought she was in an assisted living place.

            They often are not in the hospital upon death.

            • http://deleted Buzz Latte

              Seriously, You’re a psychic?

              All things revolve around two things. Timing and lighting.

              The timing of Gran’s illness and the HI lawsuit is incredibly interesting.

              And the lighting – well – I think America is changing the bulbs to take a better look at Obama. Lawsuits that Obama is named in – I stopped counting at 29 – there were more, many more.

              Universe does like to throw some curveballs once in awhile. But, perhaps this one is meant to rip the lid off the secrecy surrounding Obama.

              There, that’s my prognostication.

  • workingclass artist

    Informative and insightful article LD…you rock!

    I live in Dallas…our local school district just laid off a lot of teachers and employees because the Superintendent suddenly discovered a budget mistake that is over $ 80 million…

    Before this election I had NEVER had a favorable position to any GOP conservative issues…I see now that I was manipulated by an extreme partisan culture and with the jaundiced eye of middle age have revisited many issues with a conscientious effort to have an open mind…seek facts…use history…apply logic…

    So far in my journey of reawakening…This 30 year former democratic stooge feels duped…and profoundly disappointed by A DANGEROUS MEDIA BIAS THAT HAS VEERED INCREASINGLY OUTTA CONTROL SINCE 2000

    NOW I AM LOOKING AT SCHOOL VOUCHERS…etc..again.
    Today I have the advantage of EXPERIENCE as rom kindergarden to Freshman High school I worked hard to keep my kid in Catholic School…and then she finished her High school years at a DISD Magnet School ( These are he best thing in the entire system btw…the Magnet school system in DISD )
    The Difference between the Parochial vs. the Public systems is incredible and systemic…

    My daughter was lucky in that she received an excellent education throughout even though her primary Catholic School is the poorest in the Parish
    the dedication of the ( secular )teachers was astonishing. The proven Educational Philosophy of the system ( standard for over 100 years ) gives these students the foundation needed to succeed in College. It is rigorous and consistent from PreK-12th grade.

    Because she had to audition for admittance into the Magnet school there was an expectation of excellence and a rigor that I had not seen in a Public school. She and a great many of her class mate received Merit Scholarships to colleges around the country. I’m a big believer in the Magnet School System because I have seen the results and know that most of the teachers are dedicated beyond the usual to these kids at least at this school.
    In a pervasive culture of The Buck floats out the window and never holds anyone accountable…I think you state clearly the frustration many tax payers have of throwing good money after bad.
    At the DISD…Our current Superintendent refuses to take responsibility for his mistakes…He is a fine example of ( I want the salary and the title Perks of my job…But not the FLAK when I screw up ) mentality…Kinda reminds me of Obama…

    • John

      Please explain to me what a $2500 voucher does for a family when the average private school tuition is $10,000-$15,000 per year ( I have taught at a private Jewish school for fourteen years.)

      I’ll tell you- if that family is rich, it provides a $2500 tax cut paid for by the rich, the middle class, everyone who pays taxes. If the family is Upper Middle Class, it probably doesn’t put private school tuition within reach. If it’s poor, it absolutely does not. So for the people who need the help, it does not provide it.

      For the most part, vouchers are just another way to assist the rich in becoming richer. No thanks. Back to the drawing board.

      • AnninCA

        Amen…..that’s just a giveaway to the wealthy.

        • workingclass artist

          Sheeeesh!….not all parents who put ther kids in private school are rich…Hell I’m Po…the Working Po…Some parents sacrifice…and vouchers can help. I woulda liked it when my kid was in Catholic School….

          • AnninCA

            Your choice. I’m from a family of public educators. It’s an honorable career, and my own family members could have easily made more money in the private sector. (I did….I’m the ‘black sheep.’)

            I view this debate a lot like I do the political discourse today. Loads of people chanting favorite “truths” without real experience to back it up.

            Let me illustrate. I did send my son to private school for a year. It was a bad public school situation. The private school was adequate, but not great. Frankly, my husband was a professor at that time, and I was fairly young in my own career. We didn’t have the money to go ultra-terrific in school selection.

            I saw parents who demanded good grades out of the teachers because they “paid” for it. I already knew the curriculum was fairly weak. I know curriculum because I used to write textbooks for a living. However, the personal attention made up for it. I wasn’t too worried.

            Private schools make some parents “feel” good. But do they really have a clue as to curriculum? Nope. They are repeating pet beliefs, just as in this election.

            In my own son’s public school experience, he was right on track with my own, very solid educational experience 30 years earlier.

            He read what he should have read at the age he should have read it. He was doing the same math levels. And he was developing other skills, such as music and drama….most of which are not available in private schools.

            Your choice, in short. I will always put my money in communities, and that means…..public schools.

            • workingclass artist

              Well AnninCa…not all Private schools are the same…and Speaking of direct experience is not the same as quoting pet truths…sheeesh! you can be condescending…
              When my kid transferred to public shool she was 2 years ahead in science and math…and this was from the POOREST CATHOLIC SCHOOL IN THE PARISH…SO POOR THEY TAKE UP COLLECTIONS AT THE AREA CHURCHES TO HELP WITH TUITION AND COSTS…Aaaand the teachers are not paid that well…although one of the perks is the dioceses pays for additional education at area Catholic Colleges…So many teachers in the system complete Graduate degrees while they teach…
              Lumping all private schools together is a fallacy…One thing I do know…
              It paid off for 25 out of 26 kids in my kid’s class of 8th graders…years 1995-2004.
              ALL THOSE KIDS BUT ONE STAYED IN SCHOOL THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL.
              20 out of 25 are attending College this year.
              2 have joined the military.
              of those 20 half are on Merit Scholarships.

              ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT PO LIL SCHOOL DID SOMETHING RIGHT…THEY STILL DO..AND HAVE BEEN SINCE 1919…

              • AnninCA

                I wasn’t lumping them in. Reread. I said that directly.

                My kid tested 4 years above grade level with public schools, btw, and those were classes that were bi-lingual.

                So that means zip.

                My point is that people often equate private school with superior.

                Nonsense.

                Those people often don’t have a real guage.

                • workingclass artist

                  Hmmmm…Well I posted the link to the systemic problems in my area ISD and the comments from teachers that worked in the ISD.
                  I was a product of a “superior” suburban ISD…graduating cass of 1200 in 1979 and one of those lost little flunky Social Promotion kids Wodjei mentioned…Graduated as a result of a work study program, otherwise I woulda been in HS until I was 23…lol…WHY? Because I went undiagnosed for learning disablities that I wasn’t diagnosed with till I was over 40…lol
                  It took me 4 years working full time and taking a full load at a community college to make up the difference….and learn how to learn…
                  It was there that I got a chance at a scholarship to a wealthy Private College and on to an IVY LEAGUE…So in both my direct experience as a product of the Public school system touted at the time as one o the best…and my experience as a parent…I think I’ve been around the bend and seen it all…
                  And Now my kid is doin it too…
                  I have avoided at least 3 major repeats with her…
                  1. Smaller class size makes a big difference ( she was not lost in the shuffle as I was ) Teachers do just give up…and so do parents…
                  2. When teachers are given the tools and support they need to teach as opposed to police…the kids benefit. In Parochial schools like My kids there is a standard unity of program that allows for teacher creativity as well.
                  3. Excellence in Education was the standard inculcated throughout this small community of teachers and parents. Parents were required to be involved…and the popular kids were the smart ones. Academic competition is what these kids strive for from K throughout. Not a lot of bells and whistles…But a time tested formula that although seems old fashioned has been working for over 100 years…

                  I am not anti-public school…but I am anti-waste and corruption…and in my local ISD this is a clear cut case that imho…is criminal

                  • AnninCA

                    I agree. The class sizes are too large.

                    And once vouchers hit?

                    You’ll see the same issue in private schools.

                    • workingclass artist

                      Hmmmm…Maybe in some Private schools…But not all.
                      We may also see more of them being built.
                      I think it’s a BIG WAKEUP CALL TO THE ISD SYSTEM…AND A HEALTHY ONE AT THAT!

          • http://truthsayers Denise

            My 2 daughters attend Catholic school we pay $5,000. (this school is k-8th grade after getting a good start they go public)

            A $2,500 tax break would allow your child to go to a better school. These schools also give out tuition scholarships for people with lower income and some of my neighbors pay nothing.

            The tuition for 1 it is 3,500; for 2 it is $4,500; for 3 it is 1,500.

            We are not rich we just make sacrifice’s by not taking vacation every year etc…..

            • http://truthsayers Denise

              for 3 it is $5,500 sorry for the mis-type.

      • rapp

        Those must be rich private schools. For my grandson, it was only around $2000 in 2006. I don’t think it went up that much.

        • John

          My school charges $14,000 per year tuition, grades 7 through 12. The local Catholic schools charge anywhere between $6000 to $16,000 depending on reputation (this is Suburban Maryland.) It’s hard to see a $2500 per year voucher being a big help to poor families wanting to get their kids out of public schools around here.

      • http://chriss chris

        You’re not taking into consideration things like charter schools and parochial schools that are lower in costs. These are schools at all levels–elem. thru high school. Every parent, no matter what their income level, should have the right and ability to send their children to a school of their choice. The public schools in this country have been broken and our kids are paying a high price when they go out and compete with others from foreign countries at the college level for places in engineering, med schools etc. I know, because I have worked in the public school system for 30 years. The dumbing down of our kids has progressed to crisis levels in just the time I have been involved. All solutions should be on the table to correct this mess asap. It’s as important as the energy issue and the economic problems we face. Obama getting control of the education system is like inviting the wolf into the henhouse. McCain has some good ideas to jump start a fix for education run amok. Obama has an agenda to control strict education socialist ideals and radical friends in education(Ayres in particular) to make it happen. He already has a text book with a whole chapter about him, not a president yet, being used in schools right now. If the education of our kids doesn’t remain non-partisan we will not have an America anything like what our constitution and forefathers helped to create any longer than the next 2 decades. It is a powerful tool and one that should be guarded with the highest ethics.

      • workingclass artist

        At my kids school…the starting tuition for K was ave. $ 2300.00/yr. There was a differential of $ 600.00 / yr. If you wanted to go to the Fanciest Catholic school or the Poorest Catholic School in the Parrish. So I don’t know about other private school tuitions…The education is the same…The quality of facilities is different…For instance at my kids school they were poor so no GYMN until her class reached 8th grade…No play ground with grass either…But the girls Basketball Team won the Parish Championship without a gymn and in their first year…( 7h grade )
        In Catholic High Schools which are often run by Orders as opposed to Diocesan…There are competitive scholarships and donor networks. That’s how my kid was able to go for a year to a Catholic High School…Most of the kids in her class went to either Catholic High Schools ( some on Scholarship ) or to Magnet Schools in the Public School System. They started preparing for this in 6th grade.
        There are a lot of parents who SACRIFICE A LOT TO PUT THEIR KIDS IN PRIVATE SCHOOL…I DID…AND NO ONE HAS EVER ACCUSED ME OF BEING WEALTHY…LOL…

        Like I said…it is often cultural…And for me because I am the Working Poor…I wanted my kid to have a SOLID FOUNDATION s she could hopefully compete for Merit scholarships to College…

        Currently at her old Primary school I think the Tuition is an ave. 3800.00/yr…and is discounted for each additional child. The payment schedule works well for the parents who are largely working class and feel the same way I did about their kids education…I’m just sayin…

        *** I invested early…and it paid off later ***

    • Gal from Tex

      I understand how you feel. All the ISDs (though none as bad as DISD) are having budget shortfalls. I live in the Keller ISD and they want to up our taxes (actually will be uping our taxes..but the bond issues will add even MORE tax if they pass). It boggles my mind that the DISD, oops, sorry made an accounting error, my bad, all you hard working teachers get to lose your jobs. It’s insulting to the teachers that no one is willing to take responsibility for this issue.

    • lark

      W A. School vouchers will solve the school and education problem in the same way McCain’s health care plan will solve the health care. At it is quite simple. And it works on a long approach. At first it will not appear to do so but then as it progresses it will be crystal clear. It is like selling a camel to an Egyptian. It is like courtship. It is like many important things in life. The theory is ‘the money is on the table’ ‘take it or leave it.’

      If I put say 100 dollars on a table and say that I will buy your stove for that amount of money; at the beginning you will not sell. But then you poke a thin crack on the display and other people begin to think that they want to sell their stoves. There will come a time that you will take the 100 dollars because you want to sell your stove badly.

      Vouchers and 25 hundred for health insurance will slowly make a lot of people interested in that kind of money and be willing to ‘sacrifice’ for it by providing an acceptable level of service in exchange.

      • John

        I’m pretty impressed with your ability to write three paragraphs and not say one damned thing. “It won’t work at first, but then…slowly….over time, it will.” Hm, just like that, huh? Would you buy a car from a salesman who told you “now this won’t run at first, but give it time…”

        “As it progresses, it will be crystal clear…” Ah I see, so we should just take this on faith? Are you sure you aren’t an Obamabot?

        • lark

          You make good points. Good things simply start with a beginning. That’s what I am trying to say. And my point is that in capitalism there are buyers and sellers. And in most cases sellers meet buyers and not the other way around. Prices drop to increase the reach of buyers. Vouchers and health care ‘vouchers’ will work because companies will strive to provide plans that meet ‘the money on the table’ so to speak.

          And if I was an Obamabot you would have known by now.

    • Choo Choo Magoo

      Great post LD!

      As with every thing in life its not just what you do, but how you do it. And govt has shown it will consistantly institutionalized the wrong things. I agree –

      Reward work at every level! Hold people accountable at every level! Help those who truly need the help, but help them by “teaching” them how to help themselves.

      Education is now about short term memorization, not brain function – critical analysis, critical thinking and learning how to learn. The result – even in college, student today need and expect their hands held every step of the way.

      workingclass artist – you summed it up for me perfectly!

      Before this election I had NEVER had a favorable position to any GOP conservative issues…I see now that I was manipulated by an extreme partisan culture and with the jaundiced eye of middle age have revisited many issues with a conscientious effort to have an open mind…seek facts…use history…apply logic…

      So far in my journey of reawakening…This 30 year former democratic stooge feels duped…and profoundly disappointed by A DANGEROUS MEDIA BIAS THAT HAS VEERED INCREASINGLY OUTTA CONTROL SINCE 2000

    • Reformed liberal from NYC

      Dear working class artist…

      I’m in your boat!!! Thank you for your story, I’m glad I’m not the only one who felt duped by bi-partisan politics and politicians. I am from NYC and “liberal” since I was old enough to read. All I knew is that the Democratic Party “helped” people…I remember Chuck Schumer coming to my kindergarden class to enlist us young kids for a photo op against a garbage incineration plant that was going up in the neighborhood. I thought, “wow, someone who really cares”. Now, I am older and wiser and see him wax poetic and villify “BIG OIL” almost daily when he doesn’t even understand the relationships between oil prices, oil futures, oil inventory, geopolitical unrest, refinery capacity and retail prices to the customer. I makes me laugh. He is just another politician, trying to dumb down the issues and set up straw men for the masses to break down. I see the mess that the Democrats made with the CRA (Community Reinvestment Act), Fannie/Freddie, the myth of predatory lending…the continued reliance on people like Franklin Raines and Jim Johnson by Obama for “advice”. It makes me sick. It made me soo mad. It made me mad enough to get out there and start volunteering to mentor inner city youth and hopefully inspire them by my example of hard work and personal responsibility – as the McCain campaign campaign has stressed – change begins at home, in our own communities. Hopefully, citizens who care can stem the tide of laziness and the victim mentality that has pervaded our society. It is not about waiting for a government handout or Obama to come and “inspire” or “incentivize with tax credits” the people into action. McCain inspired me to get out in my community and help where I could after I watched him in the first debate. He is a true hero.

      This election forced me to take a look at what this country was about…I actually spent days reading the Constitution, writings by humanist philosophers, history books…anything I could get my hands on. The American ideal of “work hard and you will succeed” have already taken root in places like India and China, and no wonder they are overtaking us in some areas. We need to recognize our legacy and continue to make this country great in the years to come. And we do that by not making it acceptable to be a victim, to take advantage of a handout.

  • doc99
    • Soldier of Christ

      I wonder if someone can go find Ayers’s radical views and compare them to this manifesto of Acorn and maybe would find that he was the author it and Obama is part of his puppets.

  • hootnannie

    The foolish notion that Americans, faced with an economic downturn, just blindly vote for the “out party” in a Presidential election will be disproven this year. And Bobo’s own words will be the final straw. The 95% mantra, sometimes referring to “workers” and sometimes just “people” sounds like a give-away to those receiving welfare. Then there’s the “spread the wealth around” killer statement. Whether it’s racism or not, many Americans interpret the 90+ support among black people for Bobo to mean these folks will expect him to deliver to their communities. And many hard-working Americans of all ethnicities think there’s already too much assist given to cities where 70% of students won’t even attend school till graduation. Bobo got where he is by playing the race card, but only so many people will play the game. No one else is coming to the table.

  • lisa in va

    You know, I just thought of something. Instead of a handout for nothing, what about a handout for something? Would it be cheaper to pay kids to complete school? What I mean, is at the end of each school year, kids can take a proficiency test & if they pass with 80% or better, get a bonus? 1st graders get $100, 12th graders get $1200?

    I’m usually not for rewarding grades like this; but if the dropout rate is this high, maybe an incentive of $1000-$1200 will keep kids in school to graduate? Plus, its alot less than the proposed tax cuts.

    And, I’m not going to blame teachers or their unions for this situation. They can only play with the cards they are dealt. They have dozens of kids in their classrooms, many with problems at home or parents that are not emotionally or intellectually “there”. I’m sorry, but I feel that change has to come from within the home.

    So, anyway, I think rewards on a yearly basis might encourage kids to stay in school and do better. I also think that the schools need to do a better job of dealing with truancy. When a child misses school, his/her parents need to be talked to, in person if necessary, to see what the problem. Many times the very act of calling attention to each absence, will keep the absences to a minimum.

    And then, I think there should be alot more vocational schools (for after high school). Everything from cabinet making to auto repair to plumbing, to computer technology. Or maybe some sort of apprentice program? Give these kids a reason to finish school. The fees for these schools should be reasonable. Maybe even state run. Non-profit.

    I think the reason that most kids drop out of school is that they feel disenfranchised…like no one really cares. Also, they see that “real” colleges cost more money than they think they will ever have. So, why waste time sitting around in school?

    I think there is so much opportunity to make positive changes in our schools. We just need to get involved and see that our politicians take the issue seriously.

    • John

      I guess you just woke up from a fifty-year coma and haven’t noticed that a lot of the careers you propose as “apprenticeships” have been moved to Latin America and Asia. Cabinet Making? Computer Technology? Why not Typewriter repair? Train to be a locksmith, just send in the coupon and twenty-five cents for our instructional book to get you started?

      We can’t live in the past. Those jobs are either gone, or going fast. You really want to train kids in jobs that will be virtually extinct in this country in twenty years? Great plan.

      • http://ahillarybmccainamericafirst.com/ Gerard “Barracudda” Nedich

        very good point!

        a. hillary
        b. mccain

        america first!

      • lark

        Regulations lead to industry flight. It is that simple.

        • John

          Get rid of all regulations, and you still can’t compete with fifty-cent-per-hour labor in Latin America and Asia. Give me a fucking break.

          Regulation lead to cleaner air and water, and less poison in our food. Fewer coal mine disasters, minimum wage and forty hour weeks and compensation for people who get maimed in dangerous machines. Stuff the Gilded Age “well, this is what you get when you expect businesses to run by some set of rules” bullshit, please.

          Rampant greed and a total lack of patriotism (“if I can’t make massive profits here because I have to provide a decent wage and working conditions, I’ll make massive profits in Asia employing slave labor”) lead to industry flight. You are a moron, and you’ve bought in to the “it’s government’s fault” mantra like a good little drone.

          • lark

            You are a moron, and you’ve bought in to the “it’s government’s fault” mantra like a good little drone.

            I looks that way but I just said ‘regulation leads to industry flight.’ I didn’t say all those things you said I said. Not all industry will leave, because when there are less competitors in a region there are also advantages that arise from that. Some regulation is always necessary and good. But I haven’t said that captains of industry don’t have responsibilities to walk in the shoes of their employees. Okay. That is always my rubric, the boss must experience the shop floor on a regular basis.

            The difference between McCain and Obama is that McCain has walked the walk and his historical family experience resembles a typical American family experience with all its ups and downs. Obama has a very unique family experience that is not like any American family. He has not walked the walk. He makes hundreds of assumptions based on theories. And his assumptions are mostly wrong.

            And yes I am a moron. No argument there.

            • Annie Oakley

              Lol, lark. And if the winds take a sudden shift in direction, I will stand with the morons. It’s the morons that make the internet so interesing.

      • http://deleted Buzz Latte

        Geez, I don’t know.

        We made full use of our electrician last week and also an HVAC tech to put in a new furnace. My friend’s machinist husband is constantly being lured by other companies to work. He could work 24/7. Our mechanic can’t take our ailing SUV for another week. Too busy.

        My sprinkler guy was here last week, too.

        I know a guy who has a two year backlog on building custom homes despite the housing crunch.

        So to say those kind of jobs are gone is to not really know what’s actually happening out in the communities

        • AnninCA

          No, I think the service sector will continue to thrive. That was why the attack on Joe the Plumber enraged me.

          Give me a flipping break. This sector is the ONLY one that is still viable!

          And they attack it?

          Good gravy.

        • workingclass artist

          LOL…BUZZ…
          I think it’s interesting…About the only thing you cannot teach over the net with a machine is the “Hands on Trades “…and a lot of these cannot be shipped anywhere…
          BTW the predicted 10 year trend in Universities and Colleges is a focus on the Arts as recruitment for students…Why…Cause these like other Hands on trades cannot be taught over the net…lol

          IRONY…IT’S FOR DINNER…

    • Rob G in Chicago

      lisa in VA:

      I have nothing against incentives for kids to do well in school, other than there being an appearance of “rewarding” them for doing what is expected of them, and the fact that you seem OK with the fact that those incentives come from my (the taxpayers’) pockets. Chicago public schools are paying kids for receiving As and Bs (I wonder how many teachers are “selling” higher grades for a percentyage of the reward, the “Chicago Way”). An incentive for good performance, to be effective, should go hand-in-hand with a penalty for poor performance. If those school children had to pay the city back for wasted educational resources if they received grades of C or lower, then the system could be somewhat justifiable, so long as any incentive pay came from a fund donated by private concerns, and not from the taxpayers’ dime.

      • lisa in va

        You have a point. Question though? Where does all the money come from to pay for the prisons, extra insurance due to home and auto theft come from? What do you think happens to a good % of these kids who drop out? They become monks or nuns and lead a pure life? Not! They live under the radar (until they are arrested) & do what they have to do to survive. Steal. Break into homes. Break into vehicles. Con schemes. Vote for idiots that have no business being president. So, my insurance goes up. They go to jail and my taxes go up to pay for extra police, judges, clerical staff, prisons, food to feed these prisoners, electricity to keep the prisons up & running.

        We cannot afford to keeps such large numbers of people in prison. The cost is robbing us taxpayers blind. We have to roll up our sleeves and buckle down and find a way to mainstream these people. And if it means that my taxes are CUT or LESSENED, because it is cheaper to keep them in school and educated and employed than it is to pay for their welfare or prison, then I’m all for it.

        And for the bozos who suggest the the job ideas I mentioned would be outsourced to Mexico. That’s bunk. Do you even think before you type? Hello? Homeowners need plumbers. If you have a car, you need a mechanic. If your are remodeling your kitchen, you need someone to install the cabinets. I can’t dial 1-800-Mex-ican and have someone pop on over from south of the border. I have to get a skilled person working in this country. And if you’ve ever had home repairs done, then you know that many times they are backed up for weeks or months or years.

        Thats what we need in this country. That is what EVERY country needs. Highly skilled workers. That would be plumbers, electricians, computer repair people, health care workers, dental technicians etc… That is something you can’t outsource to Guatamala. You need someone who lives in your neighborhood.

  • AnninCA

    In my community, alternative schools are a far better way to go with at-risk students than vouchers. These schools have award-winning programs that are really very impressive in their results. The kids are often from homes that do NOT support education, kids, or even the basics, frankly.

    There are solutions.

  • Steve1

    OT, Colin is a failed Secretary of State, looking for handouts! I rather be endorsed by Joe the plumber! At least he has more credibility!

    • PewL

      Joe the Plumber also has a 58% approval rating..They did a poll on him in the last day or so.Hannity thought Joe’s poll was pretty good.

      • AnninCA

        I’m appalled it’s not 90%.

        This story truly, truly upset me. What is wrong with people?

      • Firefly

        I’m thinking maybe – just maybe – that 58% is close to McCain’s real %, not the fortysomething % the pollsters are feeding us, with their waaaay oversampled dems and AAs.

        Think about it – Joe the Plumber is not gonna be popular with anyone who’s voting for barky – period. I think the 58% who approve of Joe are either McCain voters or potential McCain voters. It depends, I guess, on how Joe’s approval numbers (translated to McCain votes) lay out in the swing states – for that reason I’d be interested to see battleground state polls on Joe the Plumber.

        Bottom line, I think Joe’s numbers are good for McCain and give us a clue as to how much support McCain really has. Even if the Joe/Mac support is only 55%, that’s a 10 point win for McCain.

        Now we need to get all those people out to the polls and make sure their votes are counted on Nov. 4!

  • wodiej

    Excellent, excellent post and HIGH TIME SOMEONE SAID IT. I am sick and tired of the political correctness BULLSHIT. That is what has created this mess. Public assistance has been used as a way to be unaccountable, lazy, and irresponsible. Instead of people using the opportunities to get ahead they use them to see how much they can suck off of Joe the Plumber, you and me. No one should get help unless they are willing to do something in return for it. Volunteer work, picking up litter, helping out the city, tutoring-SOMETHING. I realize some people encounter a situation that can’t be helped. But the majority on welfare are there by piss poor decisions they made. I am tired of supporting them. Where is it getting them? Obviously nowhere. Make them take some parenting and financial classes too as a requirement before getting public assistance.

    Schools and teachers are to blame too. In my city students are moved to the next grade whether they passed the last one or not! I was told well if they don’t have enough credits in their senior year they don’t graduate. I said is that supposed to be an incentive? Obviously not-they are dropping out like flies! Kids don’t know what is best for them-that’s what adults are for. Cripes, get a backbone, be assertive and do your friggin’ job. It’s hard enough getting ahead w just a high school diploma. But if they don’t have that they’ve got nothing.

    • AnninCA

      I don’t quite get that. Bush’s No Child Left Behind pretty much sets standards for each age group. The teachers here don’t have a lot of leeway, and kids cannot graduate unless they meet minimum standards.

      In fact, I’m sure that’s why the drop-out rate is as high as it is right now.

      • wodiej

        that is the problem. But if they keep sending them to the next grade when they haven’t passed the one they’re in, it isn’t helping them. They just get to 12th grade and realize they spent all that time and school and still can’t graduate so they drop out.

      • workingclass artist

        Hmmmm…Some of the drop out rate may be cultural…In my neck o the woods teachers are tryin to keep kids in school who are pressured to drop out to help support the family…
        Also there are some parents who just give up on their kids…Kick them outta the house…Drop them off at the firehouse in another state?…
        The problem is systemic both in the schools and the culture…imho…

        One of the reasons I worked like a dog to keep my kid in Catholic School as long as I did was he culture of excellence/expectation coupled with responsible priviledge…It was drilled into the heads of these kids that going to their school was a priviledge and that they had a responsibility to their families and their community to succeed…from PreK – 12 th grade.
        It is part of the culture that is re-enforced at home…and it is consistent. these kids come up with a college plan in 5th grade…
        students were mostly Hispanic. She had 3 AA students, 1 asian, 3 caucasian…out of a class of 26. These kids were all in the same class from PreK to eighth grade at this school…and all but one graduated from High school…( Most are attending College…many on Scholarship )

        • AnninCA

          True, we have that problem here, too. We have excellent programs in our community college system. The problem that I saw with the young women, in particular, I worked with was that the family really didn’t support studying. The kids were expected to go to work and help support the family, do the heavy lifting on childcare, etc.

          I had some bright young women who are now working at Macy’s.

          • workingclass artist

            Although I was raised Catholic I never attended
            Parochial school…When I was at Penn one of my friends went to Catholic School from K – 8th grade…I asked her what she learned and what she thought was good about it…Her 2 answers.
            1. They taught me how to study.
            2. I learned to love my family.

            That was enough for me…and My kid received similar benefits…In this it is cultural.

            • snosandy

              My two nieces who went to Catholic schools learned how to party. They both had low “C” and “D” averages, but my brother-in-law said they would get and “A+ in their social life and that’s something to be proud of.”

              • AnninCA

                LOL*….those Catholic girls! :)

                • workingclass artist

                  RFLMAO…Well there is a certan Catholic All girls Highschool that is in direct party competition with the local high end Episcopal All girls school…Catholic School aint’ for everyone…

                  BTW…in comparing the difference in Catholic grading systems vs. public snosandy…Your neices would be getting a low B…and a Low C if they were in Public School…Tis True in this part o the Prairie

          • lark

            AnninCa that’s the way it should be. Lets say Colleges would completely drop their curriculum as it stands and take up a curriculum like ACORN (not that I don’t hate ACORN) where students are set on community or industry problem and are set loose to get the problem solved. Industry wide could be a partial problem. Then help with resources to allow personal development within the field.

            Colleges are completely misguided institutions. Take a city like New Orleans or Galveston. College students can be send there to solve problems and rebuild a new city according to what they invent and discover viable and feasible.

            College careers as they stand now should be abolished. Universities can remain academically oriented.

            • AnninCA

              I really don’t quite get your point. Eliminate higher education for people?

              Why?

              In my community, Latinos….I’ll just pick on them for the sake of illustration….begin by starting small business. Then someone goes to community college and gets a way into a more white-collar job market.

              Next generation…..all teachers. LOL*

              Now, they are right in the thick of all of us. Totally middle-class, involved in church and community, and everyone has trouble remembering enough Spanish to talk to grandma at Christmas.

              Tis the American way…..

              • lark

                I know exactly what you mean.

                Universities can stay academic. Bud Colleges should be redone. Or vise versa.

                Problems should become the targets of education and not the other way around which don’t work. Yes, give a higher education degree but not by answering multiple answer questions and the like but by working in community settings – industrial and social – and participating in finding solutions. And yes a certain academic standard is needed too there but mostly working in problem solving. Similar to art degrees where students are required to ‘do art’ in order to get their degrees.

                • AnninCA

                  I get it.

                  You’re talking about job-oriented college curriculum, such as journalism today.

                  The battle in journalism schools is to remain a liberal arts degree and limit the number of skill classes.

                  It’s a battle.

              • lark

                Let me give you an example. Most universities should immediately move some of their colleges to New Orleans and Galveston and teach their students in those areas. That way students can work their degrees as they tackle community problems.

                So a College in CA would take a chunk of their students and move them to Galveston for a year.

      • http://deleted Buzz Latte

        The NCLB standards are unworkable because it promotes in house cheating to pass.

        I taught in NCLB schools. When your population consists of 24% ESL and 3% Special Ed., that’s a huge chunk of students that are going to underperform.

        Now, factor in ESL students who “vacation” in Mexico from November to February and don’t go to school in Mexico therefore losing approximately four months of instruction. The burden on the school increases to insurmountable odds.

        When Special Ed students are required to take grade level/placement tests even though their IEP instructional levels are 2 and one half below grade placement they are expected to perform at grade level for NCLB.

        It’s a freakin’ recipe for disaster.

        Don’t place too much faith in NCLB. It was meant to break the backbone of public ed and force students into private schools. Private schools are a nice new industry, don’t you think?

  • workingclass artist

    http://www.dallasobserver.com/2008-10-09/news/blackboard-jungle/
    http://www.dallasobserver.com/2008-10-16/news/nobody-knows-what-they-re-doing-kidd-is-done-you-betcha
    This is a link to a great article on DISD current fiasco…and the comments section.
    This writer is one of Our Best Govt. critics in our town.
    This is a micro view of a large school system that I think certainly relates to the issues LD brings up in this excellent NQ article…( Good Money After Bad ) and Liberal Cronyism…
    So I wanted to offer the link if anyone is interested…

    NQ ROCKS!

  • Soldier of Christ

    LD- don’t know how you managed to get all this information -but great job!

    As I looked at Missouri’s 100,000 waiting and cheering for him- I noticed something. I went back to my old hippie days book album, when I first was able to vote, and noticed something. The people in the crowd looked like the same people that were protesting the Vietnam war. They wore torn shirts, stupid hats, big peace signs, had their children with signs up. The only thing missing in this crowd was pot smoking and flowers. Maybe “crack” took the place of pot today, but, it was the same stupid protest. I am ashame that I was one of those spellbinded people when I was a young youth in the late 60s and early 70s, and the old expression what you sow is what you reap is the lesson to learn here. Out of our children’s goin came these astrayed children- the seed of hate and igornance we passed to them through our genes. Even with great journalist blog suchs as this one, nothing cannot reversed the curse of hate that we have breeded in these children. Even though I was pro-choice, only because of the incest issue, I realize something today, that this party is the party of demons, and we all have to be strong against these forces. The forces that want our country to bring down our values, our power, our posperity that our G-d has given this grand beautiful land. They want us to bring down the safety fence around our land and open it up to illegal aliens from other country with issued licenses, to bring down our Mexican fence to appease the drug lords in Mexico, they want us to stop drilling because some creature might get tangled up with the oil spill, they want us to stop profiling muslims because of human rights and allow them to continue bashing “our country and burning our flag”, such as some are doing today in New York and New Jersey, they want us to disarm our weapons and show this as an example of leadership to all other countries who hate us, yes, they even want us to stop being Christians, the religion that this country was founded on. But, little did I know in my ignorance being a democrat for 36 years, that I was always a republican in my heart. Imagine that!

    • wodiej

      thank you for sharing the 60′s info. I was wondering if anyone on here was old enough to remember what was going on and could compare it to what is going on now. I kind of figured it was simiilar.

      You are right too. Many of these people who were filled w hate then passed it onto their kids. I was brought up to be polite, clean and make my own way. Of course in my early years I went out for a hoot and a holler but didn’t get into trends too much. I march to my own drum but to each his or her own. However, the youth today w the nose piercings, and numerous tatoos and dirty clothes and disheveled hair that looks like it’s never seen a comb. I guess that is them saying they don’t like rules. But then WHO DOES?

      Life is not perfect here but the United States is still the best place to live and I will fight to keep it that way. If people want to share in the benefits, opportunites and glory of living here, they are going to have to work for it. “you can’t get something for nothing”. There is a price tag for everything.

    • western new yorker

      I am confused by your comments.
      I am a 65 yr old woman, ‘x-hippie’, Woodstock, New Mex. communes. Eventually, working in auto industry 25 years, and retiring.
      Lifelong democrat and liberal until this year.
      Very angry about the primary ‘selection’ of Barry Soetoro Obama.
      Wasn’t our country founded on religious freedom??
      I thought the founders were deists!
      I was raised Catholic 1-8th grade schools, until my pastor made a pass at me. Never looked back.
      Religion is not for me and I find religious fanatics hard to tolerate.
      Here in Buffalo New York area, many voters have not swallowed the Obama Kool-aid.
      Many PUMAS’ here.
      Will be working for Mccain/Palin even tho there is no Repub. headquarters in New York State.
      Lots of Obama ads on local TV, few McCain ones. Two lawn signs for each in my suburb!

      NObama keep the ‘change’
      ‘Rosie the Die-maker’

      • workingclass artist

        I find any fanatic…Secular or religious…to be tedious…I’m just sayin’

  • clockworks9

    I am probably just being cynical but is it strange to any of you that Obama’s grandmother is gravely ill and he isn’t taking his wife or daughters to visit her? (Maybe he is and I missed that info.) I can’t shake the feeling that his visit is more about hoping that Joe the Plumber and Biden’s comments will die down over the time he is gone from the campaign trail. If she is out of the hospital wouldn’t that seem to suggest that she is in an improved condition over when she was in the hospital?

    • Soldier of Christ

      He has to be nice to her…..she is the only one left that can tell the world he was born in Kenya….remember? He is the appeaser.

    • Leisa

      I find it odd that he did not visit his grandmother when she was in the hospital.

    • likeable enough

      He did not bring his family to visit her when they were in HI a few months ago. He visits her alone.

  • Patti

    You know, I just thought of something. Instead of a handout for nothing, what about a handout for something

    Think about the rampant cheating that would go on just to get the $$. My son had a teacher in 5th grade who had a pay for grades scheme. But it was only for struggling kids. Not for kids who actually did the homework, the kids who paid attention. The guy wasnt liking me after our parent teacher conference.

  • John

    I’m as against handouts for loafers and welfare cheats as the next guy, but why is it that whenever someone talks about cutting taxes for the Middle Class, we get this Class Warfare crap? I make $52,000 per year, and I think my taxes are too high. I’d like a tax cut. I have two degrees and work damned hard at a job I love, but I can’t afford to buy a house or save except through my 401 (k) and not a hell of a lot there. Considering the tax breaks and loopholes that have been created for the uber-rich over the years, I have NO problem with seeing them pay a little more so I can get ahead. I’m not asking for their money; I’m asking them to take a little less of MINE (who do you think has been paying for those upper-class tax cuts for the past ten years? The poor?)

    Again, I’m totally against handing people who didn’t earn it money earned by somebody else. I don’t want shiftless lazy idiots waddling to their mailboxes to pick up their paychecks from Saint Barack. But Middle Class tax cuts and handouts to the poor are two separate issues, and I’m sick of seeing them blended. And if the rich pay a lot of taxes (they don’t- their tax rates are vastly lower than they were, say, fifty years ago, when the economy was booming) they also benefit most from the services their taxes pay for.

    Finally- we need to cut this crap that if you are rich, that means you must be smarter and more hard-working than someone who is not rich. That is total bullshit- a huge amount of the wealth in this country is inherited. More of it is passed around a small population through connections, nepotism, etc. There are a lot of idiots out there who are rich through no fault of their own, just like there are a lot of poor people out there forced into poverty by circumstances beyond their control.

    I think it’s just as stupid to blindly worship the rich as it is to blindly demonize the poor. And it’s time for a REAL Middle Class tax cut.

    • http://chriss chris

      If you think Obama will be cutting the taxes of the middle class then you need to seriously research what he has proposed. Not one politician ever cut taxes so that it really is a cut. They always raise them in some other form so usually you end up paying more along the way. Income tax is the easiest one to scam because we are all tuned into it. Without an honest effort to cut spending, earmarks, and pork barrel stuff, then no tax cut will ever be a real tax cut. Only one candidate this time around has included spending cuts and freezing unnecessary government programs as part of their economic plan and that is McCain. Believing Obama on his 95% tax cuts and middle class relief is just wishful thinking with no reality in evidence.

      • John

        Funny how we never hear these arguments when tax cuts for the wealthy are proposed. No, those are always justified because the “wealthy create jobs.” No discussion of how these tax cuts will be paid for- they’ll pay for themselves, because there will be more jobs!

        But propose Middle Class tax cuts, and we get buried in talk of “SOCIALISM!” and “CLASS WARFARE!” Of course.

  • educatedwhitewoman

    Congress led by Nancy Pelosi is agitating for massive increases in spending for medicaid and welfare spending, unemployed, etc. Barney Frank (a real economic genius who helped bring the current meltdown to America through his social engineering over at Fannie & Freddie) says we’ll just have to spend now and tax the “rich” to pay for it. Unfortunately, to these left-of-center dems, rich starts at $100,000/yr income. There is no way that this big-government Congress, led by Obama (or an Obama following Pelosi’s lead) will be able to pay for their excesses without raising taxes on taxpayers at much lower levels than $200,000/yr.

    • AnninCA

      Obama’s original figure was 150,000 in a debate with Hillary. He then raised the “magic” number to 250,000.

    • wodiej

      right, people dont’ seem to understand. Businesses don’t pay taxes. WE DO. They just raise their prices. You can raise taxes on the rich too but they’ll just put their money in an offshore account. There are too many tax loopholes. Everyone should have the same tax rate.

    • Rob G in Chicago

      After the economy wipes out my 401 (k) just years from my retirement, Obama wants to raise my taxes and increase the capital gains tax just to make sure that Alpo will be my dinner of choice in my retirement years. I really need a few years to get my retirement accounts back to where they should be so that I won’t be looking for government handouts from the Obama youth brigades in a few more years.

      • AnninCA

        Oh well…..we’ll all be practicing, “Welcome to Wall-Mart,” together. :)

  • Concerned Citizen X

    Let’s be quite frank and drop the PC crap. The reason Powell became famous in the first place is because he was the first black Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. His predecessor Admiral Crowe was well known and highly respected, but hardly the media figure Powell became. In the first Gulf War the media kept fawning over Powell, even though it was clear that Schwarzkopf was the go-to guy on that one. The reputation Powell built had much to do with the media fixation on the “historical” nature of him being the first black Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, much as they have done with Barack Obama, and they have lent him an aura of respectability that has very little to do with his actual record. On that count, as this article notes, Powell has a long history of being a “yes-man” for his political higher-ups. He’s basically a political stooge who’s been used one way or another for years. His essential strategic insight consists of the use of overwhelming force against an enemy, an obvious insight resulting from U.S. failures in Vietnam, but that’s about it. As a moral or intellectual figure, he is about as mediocre as it gets. So when we see the media crowning Powell and then using his crown to legitimize Obama, it is a trick of media legerdemain worthy of David Axelrod or Karl Rove. Thinking people should dismiss it out of hand.

    • Shiloh

      Of course this is true. If Powell were white we would never have heard of him, same for Obama.

  • lark

    LD, with great respect due to you for your well prepared article, I don’t think at this time, these numbers really have much significance. Why? Because there is a pervasive attitude throughout the Dem party and for many Reps that the U.S. economy and all other things considered, is impervious to any damage, long term or temporary. That the world owe us and is so dependent on us that we can do whatever we like in economic terms that they will knell to our prescriptions. That the deficits can grow to the utter limits of space and when we default on interest and principal, too bad, no one can hurt us anyway and we would nuke them if they tried. That the U.S. can be as irresponsible as it wishes to be and all other countries can do is complain. And in terms of class warfare, since this is the greatest country in the world, the rich would never leave it and they are obligatorily indebted to pay any amount of taxes we the poor ask of them.

    Because we are invincible and never again would a calamity like the great depression will return, we can abuse our economy as much as we need to and we will be all right. Our great grandchildren can just default and reset the game back to zero.

    Having said that, what would your point be?

    • AnninCA

      Well, CA is now being told it may be unsuccessful in borrowing money.

      So I don’t agree. That happens.

      I personally think that we’re already in a recession, and it’s deepening. It will get very bad over the next 6 months, as the job figures continue to rise.

  • doc99

    Quote of the Day:

    “If you want to redeem your honor, you will swallow hard and make a list of all the stories you would print if it were McCain who had been getting money from Fannie Mae, McCain whose campaign had consulted with its discredited former CEO, McCain who had voted against tightening its lending practices.

    Then you will print them, even though every one of those true stories will point the finger of blame at the reckless Democratic Party, which put our nation’s prosperity at risk so they could feel good about helping the poor, and lay a fair share of the blame at Obama’s door.”

  • Shiloh

    Bastard has it tied again. As we know, +6 = tied.

  • Tuppence 411

    McCain needs to expand on his anti-”wealth distribution” message to include Corporate Welfare, which with the bailout and the Wall Street fraud has people furious.

    McCain has done well exposing goverment to goverment welfare- Earmarks

    Joe the plumber gave him a gift regarding welfare disguised as tax refunds to those who don’t pay taxes.

    McCain now needs to close the circle and expose the amount of corporate welfare in this country. We have a punative corporate tax rate, but then put in all these freakin’ loopholes and breaks for selective industries.

  • AnninCA

    The only thing that would happen if the teacher’s unions were busted would be that the public schools would lay off all senior teachers due to budget, load the schools with inexperienced cheap graduates, and turn themselves into the private schools that now proliferate. Those private schools are actually quite pathetic in a lot of cases. The reason they even hit the mark on scores is due more to the parents being diligent.

    I see no benefit in wiping out yet another middle class group: teachers.

    • Shiloh

      I live near Columbus and the per pupil expenditure for the Columbus Public Schools in enough for a year’s tuition at any private college in the country. Something is damn wrong somewhere.

      • lark

        The idea behind the Democrats form of government is that people can pay and will always sacrifice to pay their taxes first. Local govs. and Fed have been playing a cycle of tax increases for the last 50 years that has worked very well. When Fed reduce taxes, Local govs increase theirs. Then after Fed increase taxes, like Obama is proposing now. Then in 2012 Reps win, reduce Fed taxes and Local taxes increase. That way it feel easy to swallow.

      • Jackie

        Money doesn’t make for good education.

        Basics for Elementary

        Reading
        Writing
        Math
        Science and Computers Art & Music

        Stop with the sensitivity training and the cultural tolerance crap.

        Basics for High School

        Reading, Writing, Math, Computer skills
        History, Science, Life Skills (balancing a check book, tax forms, Helath insurace papers)

        Right now we spend so much time in the classroom dorking about with PC nonsense there is no time for instruction.

        3 of my grandparents were tachers. 1 a curriculum designer where her students scored well above the national averages but could actually apply the skills not just take a test.

        Goal based education that divided students into groups based on ability allows for all students to excell.

        • AnninCA

          Jackie…thank you. Music is undervalued.

          It’s so stupid to do that.

          • Jackie

            Music from the earliest age (pre-birth) helps to form the barain to make it more receptive to multiple language and it strengthens the mathmatical abilities of all children.

            Music can have a massive impact on the learning ability of special needs kids from Downs syndrom to Autism.

            We need good solid education starting with the basics that lay a foundation for solid citizens. Intellectuals need not apply!

            • workingclass artist

              I agree Jackie…Music instruction is important at least as much as sports.
              I also am a big believer in the HS Magnet system.
              My kid went to one for the Visual and Performing Arts.
              Those kids took a full academic load as well as a full Arts load to prepare them for either additional College level courses at a conservatory or University…Or to go directly into the trades. It is a great program as many artists already know where they want to go so to speak and this gives them the opportunity to explore that in a supportive atmoshpere with professionals in each area…
              Now they have expanded this idea to other trades nd disciplines and many of these kids get into top schools…many on scholarship.
              It is one of the only good things our local ISD has…and has been picked up in the suburbs over the last 10 years or so…Much better I think then T&G thingy…imho…

  • kinthenorthwest

    Am I the only one suspious of the trip Obama is taking Thurs/Fri to visit his ailing grandmother. It just seems weird with so many things going on, especially like the filing of the lawsuit on his BC.

    If it was my grandomother ailing I would have been there last week when she went to the hospital. If nothing else I would have been on the first plane yesterday instead of waiting 2/4??? days.

    Dont get me wrong Madelyn Dunham is in my prayers and I pray that she recovers and is ok.

    Obama has been like the “boy who cried wolf” in this campaign. He has lied so much about his past, family, friends and etc. that Im not sure anymore when its the truth, halftruth or complete lie.

    God Bless you Madelyn Dunham, may God watch over you.
    McCain ’08

  • http://ahillarybmccainamericafirst.com/ Gerard “Barracudda” Nedich

    Obama gets an ‘F’ – no surprise there…

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/10202008/news/politics/f_for_baracks_school_fix_134391.htm

    Chicago’s former schools chief has flunked the education foundation headed by Barack Obama and founded by 1960s terrorist Bill Ayers – saying it failed to monitor projects and funded school “reform” groups that campaigned against boosting academic standards.

    “There was a total lack of accountability. If you went back and asked, you’d be hard-pressed to find out how the money was spent,” said Paul Vallas, the city’s school superintendent when Obama chaired the Chicago Annenberg Foundation from 1995 to 1999.

    Annenberg spent $49.5 million, mostly on grants to 211 public schools that partnered with community-based groups. But despite collecting millions, those schools performed no better than other public schools, a study found.

    Ayers, a professor of education at the University of Illinois and an ex-Weather Underground bomber, wrote the grant that won the Windy City funding from the national Annenberg Challenge. He was a key adviser to the Chicago Annenberg board.

    While much debate has centered on Obama’s relationship with Ayers, there’s been virtually no discussion about how the Annenberg schools performed.

    “Very little of the money found its way directly into the classroom,” Vallas said.

    Most frustrating, Vallas said, was that Annenberg under Obama and Ayers funded groups that fought his mission, under Mayor Richard Daley, to impose uniform standards and stricter accountability in low-performing schools.

    a. hillary
    b. mccain

    america first!

  • Sassy

    Very good points in this post!
    However, I do disagree on one. While there are bad teachers, there are more students who are unwilling to strive for an education.
    Those of us who have, hopefully, raised our children successfully, know that an education comes with a price tag.
    It requires budgeting, sacrifice, and resisting the “keeping up with the Joneses” attitude.
    I know how difficult it was for us, and we were well employed.
    For a single parent, it would be impossible unless they utilize and value every opportunity that is available to them.
    Most importantly, the desire to succeed, against the odds, must be there, and that comes from good parenting!

  • Sassy

    It is socializism!
    The wealthy are not the ones bearing the burden of those in our society who don’t carry their share of the burden!
    It is ethically and morally wrong for able-bodied persons to constantly expect another to pick up their tab!

  • AnninCA

    I would like to add one thing to this discussion. I’ve watched as many of my friends spent small fortunes putting kids through private education. I think that’s a choice, and they decided to opt out of the community when they made that choice.

    I wondered how they were building up a retirement plan while doing this.

    Their choice.

    But I also do not wish to support their retirement plans now.

    I made MY choice, too.

    And I opted for a more balanced approach. Little to this, little to that, little at a time.

    I have no sympathy if they failed to provide for themselves later.

  • doc99

    “You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage-earner by pulling down the wage-payer. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.” – Ronald Reagan

    Unless that Kool-Aid Obama’s serving is much stronger than we could ever imagine, there’s no way Americans want any part of socialism. We saw socialism in action in Europe growing up in the 80s, and it’s not pretty.

    http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/great-merciful-zeus-we-cant-believe-were-quoting-ronald-reagan-us-of-all-people-but-socialism-is-bad-news-people-we-want-no-part-of-obamas-socialism/

  • http://Brendon William L. Donlon

    Give A Man A Fish And You Will Feed Him For A Day.

    Teach Him To Fish And He Will Drink Beer And Pee Out Of The Boat All Day.

    I’m Bill Donlon And I can vouch for the truth of this message.

    • http://Brendon William L. Donlon

      SORRY!

    • AnninCA

      LOL*…..it’s true, though.

  • Artemis

    Very insightful post. Thank you, LD. The “teaching a man to fish” saying is worth repeating. Your observations about our schools and the dropout rate really disturbs me. Obviously, what we are doing isn’t working. Yet, our cities keep on keeping on with failing schools, allowing our youth to flounder. I wonder why more areas haven’t tried something like the school Dr. Michael DeBakey created in Houston in 1972. It has had great success as a magnet school preparing young people for careers in medicine. It’s not for every child, but incorporating alternative schooling that provides incredible opportunities for motivated kids regardless of background or financial means is “teaching a man(or woman) to fish” and seems far kinder than paternalistic promises from big government that often destroy initiative.

  • Lorraine

    You guys are great. I am a Conservative Republican…and I can only say that we have a lot in common. Your love of country and desire to see her remain free are very obvious. And that is my main desire right now. Though some of your social issues you and I would disagree on, your taking on the ONE is really marvelous. In fact, I really do enjoy visiting this blog.
    Last week one of your posters, when the discussion went to the possibility of having to fight to take this nation back said “they would take a page out of William Ayer’s notebook”…I not only smiled, I thought, man, Centrist Democrats and Conservative Republicans fighting side by side for our freedoms. Wonderful. I wish it could always be like this.
    Keep up the good work, thank you for all that you do. And if we get our country back from the extreme radical left, maybe we can resolve some of the other littler issues. But right now there is only one issue. Stopping BHO and keeping this country free.

    • AnninCA

      I think we all have a lot more in common than we think.

      Even my Obamabot son……:)

      I have privvy to his political postings. He’s in his early 30s. I’ve yet to see, and he’s a bright guy, a single idea that is really his own. It’s all right out of the playbook.

      I remember being that way. It bothered me, too. I was bugged by my own lack of true opinion.

      When I finally got into grad school, I took a course in imatative essay writing. We had to write essays in the style of past essayists.

      That’s when I got it. I was very good in that course.

      I was, indeed, imitative.

      That’s a stage in political thinking. Frankly, that’s a stage in life.

      What emerges, if you’re lucky and do your homework, is a much more authentic, experience-based, and centered position in life.

      You don’t much care what Rove says or what Powell says.

      You know that your own opinions are as solid as their opinions are. You can tell from the catch words people use if they are still in that imitative stage, and it doesn’t bug you so much.

      This is, in short, human nature. Imitative is normal. And that’s probably why Democracy works. It allows for slow change, really.

      It allows for the real nature of people, which is to parrot others to find security.

      I couldn’t have devised truly independent thoughts on most issues below the age of 30 or maybe even 40.

      I simply didn’t have the real experience.

      Today…..different.

      I don’t really agree with the “Obama is a socialist…….fear, fear, fear! crowd here.” I find him incredibly vacuous. That worries me much more.

      He’s likely to be a suit for whichever the way the wind blows.

      • Annie Oakley

        The empty suit is a wind sock.

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  • Patience

    Thanks for this info LD. I don’t put much stock in political rhetoric during campaigns, so I don’t bother doing mental exercises about proposed tax plans. Besides, any changes in tax law have to pass through the legislature. Rather, a candidate’s record and character matter most to me and give me a better sense of where they truly stand.

    About public schools: People often mistake the description “public” as meaning only inner-city and we know that’s not the case. There are many suburban public school systems that are doing a very good job. A lot of people around where I live abandoned the city once their children reached school age to take advantage of the superior suburban schools. This helped to make urban schools even worse — less quality parental involvement, less accountability, less boosterism, etc.

    When McCain says education is the civil rights issue of our times, I agree with him.

    • Jackie

      Me TOO!

  • andySF

    I think what most people here missing in this article is the single family number.

    Good education always starts at home. For most people to put all the blame on school is totally unfair. It’s true that problem kids from poor/uncaring families will impact public school in a big way, that’s why parents need to pay a lot more attention to their kids during middle and high school. As we Chinese have a saying, you get red when you stand in the mid of red paint and you get black if you stand in the mid of black ink. Your kids association will effect them. Your time spend on your kid’s education will effect them even more.

    Also remember that every kid is different and need different approach. I and my sister both went to the same public school when we first came to this country. She graduated top three in her class and went on to graduated top three in her class at UC Davis. I, the suppose smarter one, barely graduated form high school and went into the Navy. The difference, I had short attention span and she’s the studious type. Both of our parent work 60 hours work week to put food on the table and have very little time for us. In short, private or public school need to be tailor made for each kids need. I support choice for parents who truly take the time to find out what’s best for their kids, not sheep who follow the public or private school crowd.

    I choose to send my daughter to a private preschool at the age of 3. It cost me close to 10k a year. The reason, she’s a lot like me instead of more like my wife who was the studious type(with a master). She can learn things quickly but have very short attention span. I need to seat with her couple hours each day to make sure does her homework and learn new things daily. I will put her back into public school by her high school year because I believe that the shielded environment of private school can not give her real life experience she need in the real world. I choose a non religious school because I don’t want her to be force into a religion before she can make the choice with detail understand of them(otherwise, the tuition would be half that amount in religious school).

    Granted, I can afford the cost. But most lower middle income people in my city was forced to make hard choices. They consider anyone making over 40k a year high income, therefor unable to receive government subsidized childcare. Believe me, 40k in San Francisco is really low income when your rent for a 2 bedroom is 1,800 a month. So, they are forced to send their kids to day care that don’t do much in terms of preparing their kids for k-8th. So vouchers, tax credit or charter school will help parent with the need of choice, especially in the pre-k to 5th grade kids. But they will only work if the parents put the time and effort in their kids, not just put them in the teacher’s lap. So often, parents send their kid to school and expect the teacher to do all the work. It’s a joint effort, stop putting blames on the teachers!!! Teachers are the most under paid job in this country and they have their hands tied by the liberal ideology. And we need public school in this country!!! It’s a shame that both side using teachers as scapegoat. It’s the government that screw up the school system, not the hard working teachers. How do you expect the teacher to teach kids who won’t listen in class and get away with sloppy homework at home?

    Learn personal responsibilities to your kid and family.