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“What he really thinks” * Open Thread

OPEN THREAD. But, I have just to share this with you since I heard John McCain give this speech on TV a short time ago, at a rally in Manchester, New Hampshire, and he had some great lines. The “money quotes” are below the fold. “Money quotes” like this one: “[I]n a campaign as disciplined and careful as my opponent’s, the worst missteps come when the candidate says what he really thinks.”

[...] [M]y opponent’s looking pretty confident these days. He’ll be addressing the nation soon. He’s got another of those big stadium spectacles in the works. But acting like the election is over won’t let him take away your chance to have the final say in this election.

Every so often, my opponent gives us all a little glimpse of what an Obama presidency would be like in the real world. And last week his campaign actually found itself on a detour into the real world — in the driveway of Joe the Plumber.

Now, Joe didn’t ask for Senator Obama to come to his house, and he didn’t ask to be famous. He certainly didn’t ask for the political attacks on him from the Obama campaign. Joe’s dream is to own a small business that will create jobs, and the attacks on him are an attack on small businesses all over the country. Small businesses employ 84 percent of Americans, and we need to help small businesses, and not raise their taxes.

As it happened, the Obama tax increase is just what Joe had on his mind. So Joe showed the Obama traveling press how to ask a tough question, and get an answer instead of just another talking point.

Thanks to him, we’ve finally learned what Senator Obama’s economic goal is. As he told Joe, Barack Obama wants to, quote, “spread the wealth around.”

In other words, Joe and guys like him will earn the wealth. Barack and politicians like him will spread it. Joe didn’t really like that idea, and neither did a lot of other folks who believe that their earnings are their own.

After all, before government can redistribute wealth, it has to confiscate wealth from those who earned it. And whatever the right word is for that way of thinking, the redistribution of wealth is the last thing America needs right now. In these tough economic times, we don’t need government “spreading the wealth” — we need policies that create wealth and spread opportunity.

It was a candid moment for Senator Obama, in the presence of a skeptical voter. And in a campaign as disciplined and careful as my opponent’s, the worst missteps come when the candidate says what he really thinks.

We’ve seen this before. In a debate with Senator Clinton, he was asked why on earth he wants to raise capital gains taxes, when history shows that cutting that tax rate actually yielded more revenue to the government. Rates were cut in the Clinton years — revenue went up. Rates were cut in the Bush years — revenue went up. My opponent’s answer was that taxes still had to be raised as a matter of, quote, “fairness.”

Let’s think about this very carefully. Here we have a case where increasing taxes would decrease the funds available for all the spending government does. But Senator Obama insists on a tax hike, as a matter of principle. And the principle seems to be the redistribution of wealth as an end in itself. Apparently, as my opponent sees it, there is a strict limit to your earnings and wealth, and it’s for politicians to decide. The proper amount of wealth is not what you can earn, but what government will let you keep.

My opponent has spoken about the reluctance of citizens and business owners to part with their earnings. He understands that when it’s time to spread the wealth around, quote, “They are not going to give up those profits easily.” And readers of his book “The Audacity of Hope,” might recall that he wrote about the need to “spread the wealth around” there, too. He writes of the need for “labor laws and tax laws that restore some balance to the distribution of the nation’s wealth.” He has talked elsewhere about how, in our day, “the distribution of wealth is even more skewed, and levels of inequity are now higher.”

What are really skewed in all of this are my opponent’s priorities. He talks about our economy in a detached and academic way, forgetting that the goal is not to redistribute wealth but to create it. And one thing academics are good at is inventing and redefining terms, which is what he’s up to with that phony income tax cut for 95 percent of the American people.

When a politician tells you he’s going to cut income taxes for 95 percent of all Americans, it’s reasonable to wonder how he’s going to do that for the 40 percent who pay no income taxes at all. Right now, tens of millions of Americans have an income tax bill of zero. How’s Barack Obama going to reduce the number zero?

Well, that’s the key to his whole plan: Since you can’t reduce income taxes on those who pay zero, the government will write them all checks called a tax credit. And the Treasury will have to cover those checks by taxing other people, including many small businesses and a lot of folks just like Joe the Plumber. In other words, Barack Obama’s plan to raise taxes on some in order to give checks to others is not a tax cut; it’s just another government giveaway.

What should really worry us is that Senator Obama can’t possibly spend all the money he promises to spend without raising taxes even more than he admits he will or digging us even further into debt, weakening the dollar and making everything you buy, from groceries to gasoline more expensive. He has promised in the neighborhood of a trillion dollars in new spending. …

Stay tuned for some wise words from LD on the economy, to be published later today … and now, an open thread.

  • skepticle

    Isn’t McCain’s health-care tax credit also refundable? Is “welfare” only “welfare” when it’s a Democrat implementing it?

    • skepticle

      I see nobody’s even trying to justify McCain’s latest blather. I don’t blame you. It’s an impossible task.

      • athena

        No we are just a bit stunned that after reading all that you still think it is a good idea to vote for the Hopey-Changey guy named Obama. You must be slow. Americans in general do not favor Marxist/Socialistic ideas. It is just plain un-American.

        • skepticle

          “Marxist/Socialistic ideas” like making the wealthy pay the same tax rate they paid under Clinton? Wow, I lived through Clinton’s entire presidency and never once realized how “just plain un-American” he was. Thanks for enlightening me!

          • street_parade

            Isn’t it stupid to raise a tax rate percentage when the actual dollars raised by said tax are higher at the lower percentage?

            I await your blathering explanation.

            BTW, you DO realize that the top 10% pay 70% of fed. taxes while the bottom 50% pay only 3%?

          • JozefAL

            In 1992, the top tax rate was 31% on an income of just $86,500 (net tax collected, $26,815). In 1993, the year Clinton was inaugurated, the top tax rate increased to 39.6% on an income of just $89,150 (net tax collected, $35,303) which works out to an income increase of $2650 (just over 3%) delivering an increase in a net collection of $8488 (a percentage increase of more than 31.6%). In 1994, while no change in the top tax rate took place, the income level jumped to $250,000, resulting in a net collection of $99,000 (income level increase of more than 180%; tax collection increase of 180%). Over the next decade, while the top tax rate remained largely constant (only dropping by a half percentage point in for tax years 2001 and 2002 each, then dropping to 35% in 2003), the top income level has increased (increasing by roughly 3% each year from 1994 to 2002; in 2003, the increase was almost 1.6%).
            What all of this means, ultimately, is nothing. Even under Clinton, the income tax and the top tax rate were incredibly LOW by historical comparison. When the income tax was first introduced in 1913, the TOP tax rate was 7% (no, you’re not misreading–SEVEN PER CENT) on an income of $500,000. That’s right. Someone earning a half million dollars in 1913 paid only 7% ($35,000) of that in income tax (by one source, that would be the same as earning $11 MILLION today and paying more than 3/4 of a million dollars in taxes). However, in 1941, the rate was 81% on $5 MILLION, or $4,050,000 (today’s dollars–$74 MILLION income; almost $60 MILLION in taxes). Roosevelt’s WWII-era top rate was 94% on $200,000 (in 1944 and 1945)–an increase in the tax rate, but a substantial drop in the income level (today’s dollars–income of nearly $2,500,000 results in a tax burden of $2,350,000).
            Throughout the Eisenhower and Kennedy Administrations, the top tax rate exceeded 90% on just $400,000 (in today’s dollars, the 1953 income level would be 3.23 million dollars while the 1963 income level would be 2.86 million dollars).
            (Incidentally, the $250,000 in 1994 and the $311,950 in 2003 would both be worth roughly $370,000 in 2008.)

        • susan

          The entire nation needs to hear this speech of McCain’s, because in the debates we only get to hear snippets. McCain needs to buy 30 minute segments on primetime TV, just as Obama will be doing, and explain all of this to the people. If we the people have to finance this in the form of internet donations, I will be first in line, and I’m sure millions of you will be right behind me. Can someone in the know get out the message to the McCain campaign ASAP???

      • http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=PALIN Mary Cusack

        It’s a sign of Mental Illness when you answer your own questions. then again you’re an Obama supporter

        • barry bums a ciggie

          LOL, I thought the same thing. Talking to oneself is a sure sign.

    • lark

      Good point. Health care costs are slate to be 25 percent of GNP. They stand at 20 pc now and Obama estimates a personal policy to go for 12,500. There is a loss to gov. revenue when the expense deduction on employer health insurance rises to that. The only way to normalize health insurance is to break the reasons why health care insurance is skyrocketing. That can be simple to do if you normalize the standard curve and the population becomes the population. Then you decouple health insurance from employers. Businesses will pay more in taxes but they do not have to expense health insurance. Money on the table will create a shark infested water for providers. Premiums will tumble by probably 50 percent. Prices of goods and services will go down and exports will be cheaper and easier to market in foreign countries.

      Now go vote for Obama and his government regulated plan.

      • lisa in va

        lmao!

      • skepticle

        Wow, the free market is magic! Just get out of their way and all those nice insurance companies will lower their prices! Will they give me a free pony, too?

        • street_parade

          The free market is the only thing that has ever created wealth in history. The free market and education are the only things that have ever created social mobility.

          You BO supporters would create two classes: an elite who know what’s best for everybody and everybody else stuck waiting for the government to decide who gets what.

          • Tyrione

            Simply a Merchant Upper Class of Oligopolists and the rest of the US as a collective Surfdom.

            • http://deleted Buzz Latte

              Obviously you have never held down a long term job or thought about a future on beyond the next Seth Rogan movie.

              If serfdom is all you can manage, perhaps you would like to move to a country that practices it. America is just not a match for you apparently.

              SUrfdom was a dead give away…

              Peace out loser!

      • Jackie

        Look at the comparison of the 2 plans:

        http://www.hsinetwork.com

        then go look at how McCain explains his plan at:

        http://www.johnmccain.com

        then sit down and think about how you want to go forward.

    • ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

      health care is something we all pay into before we get the credit

      Obummers plan is to give to those who dont pay in

      those peeps have Medicaid

      this is for we who are called the working stiffs

      get the difference?

      or are you still looking for a piece of everyone elses pie?

    • Faith

      Mr. McCain’s proposal replaces the tax subsidy for employer-sponsored health insurance that individuals don’t now receive if they buy on their own. It merely changes the nature of the tax subsidy; it doesn’t create a new one.
      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122385651698727257.html

  • workingclass artist

    Xcellent Susan…thanks for posting this…
    NQ ROCKS!

    REPUBLICA PRIMO!
    COUNTRY FIRST!

  • mountainaires

    At the New York Times’ International Herald Tribune an article on Pennsylvania opens with what has been, to me, a rhetorical question.

    People are scratching their heads: Why is Senator John McCain still in Pennsylvania?

    Because McCain’s internal numbers in Pennsylvania have had him well within striking distance. And that jibes with this week’s news of Obama’s errantly leaked internal numbers for Pennsylvania: A mere 2% lead.

    And, Ed Rendell is worried about Pennsylvania.

    That’s why McCain’s there, Charles Lemos at By The Fault blog.

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      RIGHT ON! And Obama’s internals got leaked somehow. We should dig that up and do a story on it. It’d be much fun.

      Oh, I know what: I’ll pop over to Charles’ blog and grab that story! He lets me do that.

      (‘course, since Obama’s people so cautious and have steel-trapped mouths, one wonders if they leaked those numbers to create anxiety in their over-confident supporters to ensure they get out and vote.)

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      I cannot find that story by Charles about the tight internal polls and Rendell being worried. LInk?

      • AnninCA

        I read it on RCP, Susan.

      • ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

        Steve Corbett is the original source at WILK in PA

    • workingclass artist

      yipeee!!!…Finally the coloquial term CRACKER IS OUTTA THE CLOSET…LOL
      http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/oh-no-they-didnt-obama-supporters-call-pennsylvanians-crackers/

      • Vicki

        You should have warned us that is NOT work safe!

      • Jackie

        ALERT

        Risque Pix on the Hill Buzzzz site

        Nice but not work or young family friendly.

        Excellent post though.

        • Jackie

          FYI

          the definition of Cracker :
          Originated with the white slave driver because he would “crack” the whip, hence the noun cracker.

          It is a term of fear and respect.

          Gotta love Murtha and the other lefty nut jobs in PA.

        • JozefAL

          Oh, come on. Only one of the pics could truly be considered “not work or young family friendly”. (Even that pic wouldn’t be too risque if the guy were posed on the beach and he were wearing a Speedo–or dark-colored briefs.)
          Have to admit, I much preferred the pictures to the accompanying article. :)

  • DavidM

    Why isn’t the media reporting that Obama may not be a born US citizen?
    Mr. Andy Martin is in Hawaii “The Obama investigation in Hawai Part Two
    Obama’s Hawaii Years: The truth finally revealed Obama’s tortured
    family life and secrets. His grandmother has been sick for a while, and no visit
    by Obama. When he visits his loving grandmother the children don’t visit with him.
    There is something wrong here. Is the media really willing to turn over the country
    to a person we really don’t know. A person who associate with known terrorist , and people that hate America. Wake up America we may lose many freedom we took for granted.

    • Felizarte

      More important: Why isn’t the George W. Bush administration taking a more pro-active role in insuring that the Constitution is upheld in its precisely defined qualifications for POTUS? They have access to Obama’s passport documents; they should have intelligence reports on his travel to Pakistan using an Indonesian passport.

      • Felizarte

        Why is the judge on the Berg case sitting on the decision?

      • JozefAL

        Are you referring to the Administration which has basically described the Constitution as being little more than a “scrap of paper”?
        Yeah. I really expect THOSE people to get up and defend the country against Obama on the issue of his eligibility for the Presidency.

  • educatedwhitewoman

    The Comprehensive Argument Against Barack Obama:

    http://www.kvi.com/kvipedia/blog?nav=y&height=150

  • typewriterstreaming

    Thank you Susan!!
    Here is another great post I found off the RCP blog area. This totally lifted my spirits and has energized me to get off my butt today. Read it and if anyone here posts a depressed post – please recommend it to them. It’s a wake up.
    Hillary Supporters Sharing Info for RICO Case Against Obama’s Camp
    This morning on the way to drop off my kids at school
    http://barbarany_9.blogspot.com/2008/10/hillary-supporters-sharing-info-for.htm

    • csuzeq

      The link didn’t work!

  • bayareavoter

    Thank you SusanUnPc! I “hope” McCain stays on this message because it will “change” the minds of any voters who don’t worship at Obama’s feet.

    Let the 527s stick with Ayers and ACORN. And maybe the whitey tape….(can they test that tape on voters?).

    IMHO, Mac can still win if he hammers this economic msg home coupled with that weird Joe Biden security rant.

    • skepticle

      Kinda hard to test it on voters when it doesn’t exist.

  • Tess

    I’ve begun to wonder anew whether Obama’s “redistribute the wealth” is code for black reparations. Someone ought to ask. Way back in the primaries, he spoke about reparations for the AA’s.
    Scary stuff.
    I do hope he continues to be overexposed. I got so tired of seeing him all over my Google homepage (all Obama, all the time), I wondered when they would start printing his daily menus (and other functions). So I switched my homepage to Fox. It’s better.
    PUMA

    • lark

      Black reparations will be his theme for his re-election in 2012. He will be the RIC.

    • Indy

      Thanks Tess, I just switched my home page to Fox News as well. I’ve had Yahoo News for so long, but they are AP and AP is definitely in the tank. Now I don’t have to get aggravated every morning when I open my browser.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijtBkKQwY8 Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright

    The more they stuff Barack Obama Down my throat with Fluff Pices, BIased Reports, Polls, and TV Specials. the more I gag and puke it back up.

    I can’t believe i am the only one who just can’t swallow any more of the Obama Crapola.

    • Indy

      You are not. Obama is blathering on TV right now. He’s defending his dopey tax plan at the moment. I think a LOT of people are over BO, despite the polls. His voice and face are everywhere, and have been for months on end. Oh, there he goes again lying about his economic plan. What a tool.

      btw, I hope others will join our household in keeping their TVs turned off the night of BOs 30 minute infomercial/propaganda speech. We are planning on utilizing our dvd collection, and/or playing cards or a board game. NOw I know there is a World Series game that night (delayed for the ONE), but since MLB decided to defer to him I don’t think they deserve millions of viewers either.

      • athena

        We are right there with ya having a family and friends nite out together. No TV, No radio – just friends, family and fun.

        • Khan Krum

          Wouldn’t it be great if the Whitey Tape came out that same day? That would kinda piss on his parade now wouldn’t it?

        • Indy

          Great minds and all that-:D

          I’m glad others are thinking along the same lines!

    • Kristen

      You aren’t the only one Jeremiah.. I want to puke all the time when I see or hear him. I just hear and see a liar. Plain and simple and it disgusts me. The media needs fired! I refuse to listen anymore. The election is on the horizon. And with any luck Mac will win in a landslide to prevent O’s army of lawyers from contesting the results. Should be interesting.

    • cookiegramma

      you’re not. Normally when his voice comes on, the tv goes off. I have even given up watching local news for now they are so biased.

    • Midlife Mama

      Turn that tv off! Just say no to the all-Obama-news-all-the-time networks. I did. I am a much happier person for it.

    • Jackie

      Yep Ellen Degenerate Degeneris is whoring about for Barfy again today.

  • scorbs

    McCain needs to come up with pro-growth ideas of his own, a real program to address economic anxiety in this country, not just attack Obama’s views on taxes.

    • skepticle

      You mean John McCain? You think he actually has any ideas beyond attacking Obama? That’s cute.

      • lark

        You are the one who doesn’t have any ideas. People here in this forum know me for my ideas. I have proposed many many ideas since I have been here. Many totally different and controversial. And I support McCain. You don’t have ideas and support Obama because you need him to tell you what to do and more importantly how to do it.

      • Midlife Mama

        But attacking Obama is so much fun! Why would McCain stop it? Why would I?

        Go McCain/Palin!!

      • Postmaster

        skeptical…..is coming on this blog and showing your ass your idea or Obama’s?

      • street_parade

        Hey ‘bot. I’m waiting for your explanation on BO’s idiotic capital gains tax increase that will actaully lower tax revenue.

        *crickets*

      • Jackie

        Look Skeptikal,

        Actually look at what McCain has put forth on Health. Then on budget.

        McCain is an amazing man who inspires many to service.

        Obama inspires people to threaten children and make fradulent votes.

        I know where my loyalties sit.

    • ginaswo still says no Uhhbama

      apparently you havent been listening to him then b/c he has had a plan for quite some time

      check out his website :0)

  • Faye

    Thanks you Susan for this article. My husband has a business degree and made the comment that many of his professors had gone bankrupt,some more than once, while they were in the private sector. Now they were teaching business at a university.
    He really did not think they should even be teaching business or economics much less the university charging students money to take courses from these failures.
    Obama’s economics sound like some failed,bankrupt academic.

  • BerlinBerlin

    “Spread the wealth”
    How about a closer look into the history of real socialist countries.
    These were party dictatorships.
    The wealth was definetlety spread to the party elite.
    No way to get ahead on Your own, cause “ownership is theft”.
    Marx and Engels were also intellectuals.
    Like BO pretends to be. I actually think he is an opportunist and careerist.
    This BS was never thought out by the working man.
    Always by well groomed guys with manicured hands.
    If some McCain people are reading here.
    You will find easy people from the former eastern Block states that will witness about the reality behind those “spread the wealth” slogans.
    America is supposed to be the land of opportunity and optimism.
    Not the land of regulations and repression.

  • AnninCA

    Everyone is at work. Nobody is watching his speech.

    And unless it’s got relevant content, nobody will pay attention.

  • Beckley

    what also bugged me about Obama’s off the cuff exchange with Joe the Plumber was his statement that, “now, guys like me that earn way more than $250,000 year…” petty, snarky, condescending, asshole-y. To me that said that for some reason he felt mildly threatened by Joe. We need a humble President with true strength.

    • tzada

      The following data comes from the IRS for the year 2003 and reveals the number of businesses with revenue over $ 250,000 in 2003.
      From IRS statistics in 2003:
      Revenue Range Number of businesses
      $250,000 – $500,000 1,331,692
      $500,000 – $1,000,000 932,914
      $1,000,000 – $2,500,000 686,257
      $2,500,000 – $5,000,000 263,211
      $5,000,000 – $10,000,000 143,693
      $10,000,000 – $50,000,000 124,568
      $50,000,000 – Above 32,040
      Sorry for my lost link and if I double posted.

  • Sally

    Bush and Co. are stealth “progressives”, just like those in the Dem Party (esp. Obama)–out to further the progressive Fascist “3rd way” or “Third Reich” (an based ideology created by elite intellectual Americans since about 1910 and promoted ever since) agenda to which almost all Dems and far too many Republicans belong. This gives the illusion that the two party system is dead when really most of our politicians are just bought out and afflicted with rich-people’s delusions of grandeur…founded on guilt, peer pressure, and thier vicious/pathological need to justify their futunes to the “have-nots” by appearing to be indispensible/sensitive to the “have-not’s” health and well being.

    Ultimately our leaders behave like a bunch of Bourgeois rich motivated to grandiose scheming by their pathologies …further aggrevated by compulsive competition among each other to appear the most fashionable hence the most progressive and sensitive.

    In the end none care about DUTY, COUNTRY, PEOPLE. Ultimately its all about thier entitlement to control America, its people, and their money.

    Bismarck (Prussian/German Statesman of mid to late 1800’s) was the first to discover and state that the if politicians hand over the basiic needs of the “little-guy” (programs), they’d fall over themselves in a rush to trade in their freedoms…..and leftist politics were born…communist, populist, fascist!

    Fascist Progressive elites (intellectuals, super wealthy, academics) have been admiring his model and building on it ever….blaming the true classical liberal (renamed by the fascists as “the Conservative” since the days of President Wilson). Incidently, progressives over a hundred years of control over peoples minds have make the term “liberal” mean any ideology that is fashionable!!! Such people always hated our TWO party system and the constitution….desperately trying to do away with such annoyingly limiting concepts.

    Wilson was the worlds first true fascist…greatly admired by Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin (proof is in plain sight). All these progressives were corporatists, virulently racist and rabidly into eugenics, psychology, and voodoo economics…HG Wells, Bernard Shaw, Mar Sanger (made abortion a form of contraception to destroy blacks mostly)…..and many many other great “liberal” icons of today. Beleive it or not…Hitler learned ALL his theory by conversing with early Progressive (pro-eugenics, pro-racist, pro-science, anti-freedom, ANTI-LIBERAL) American intellectuals like Pres. Wilson.

    Great Legacy of decency eh? So don’t be so surprised we’re here…..blah blah blah. Sorry rambling. No one cares…except the FASCISTS.

    The most disgustig lie of all is that the KKK was a republican/conservative phenomenon…..absolutely false….KKK were in early to mid 1900s cosmopolotain progressive elites like H. Truman and Rural wealthy DIXIE DEMOCRATS!!!!

    Please strop consuming there crap….it will kill us…and thats what they designed it to do right on schedul

    • BerlinBerlin

      “Hitler learned ALL his theory by conversing with early Progressive (pro-eugenics, pro-racist, pro-science, anti-freedom, ANTI-LIBERAL) American intellectuals like Pres. Wilson.”

      Hitler hated the conservatives.
      His party was the NSDAP.
      Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.
      in english:
      National Socialist German Workers’ Party

      Of course he himself wasn’t a worker either, but an unsuccessful artist.

      Thanks for that post, Sally

  • Dawnelle

    Whoa! Manning is Maaaaaad at Colin Powell!

    whoa nelly!

    just sharing on my way out da door! :-)

  • athy

    URGENT-THIS NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED.

    Shout out-does anyone know the answer to the following question that begs to be asked based upon facts (and links) provided below?

    If not, can someone please forward these questions to Mr Stanley Kurtz? I do not know best way to reach him.

    IS SEN OBAMA RELATED IN ANY WAY TO CHARLES M.PAYNE ON HIS MATERNAL GRANDMOTHER’S SIDE OF THE FAMILY?

    A fellow NQ blogger passed this link to us containing an AP story published in hawaiian newspaper. The article is based upn a short interview with a man who claimed to the AP reporter to be Sen Obama’s great uncle Charles Payne, who lives in Chicago and acc to article the man claims to be 83 years old and man claims he worked as a university library administrator before he retired. Here is link:

    http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081021/BREAKING01/81021027

    Does this Charles Payne have any relation to the following Charles M Payne who worked on the Research Advisory Committee of the Chicago Annenburg foundation.

    Please read the following excerpt that I retrieved and copied directly from the University of Chicago website yesterday 10/21 around 11:00 pm eastern time.

    I do not know if website contents will be changed in future…

    DOES SEN OBAMA HAVE ANY RELATIONSHIP TO THIS CHARLES M PAYNE (possibly his second cousin on Obama’s grandmother’s side?)

    Who are the parents of Charles M. PAYNE the man who works for the University of Chicago, the man who shares the same last name as Sen Obama’s grandmother’s maiden name; the man who shares the same last name as Sen Obama’s great uncle-an uncle who lives in Chicago; the man who served with Sen Obama and Bill Ayers on the Chicago Annenburg Foundation project (PAYNE WAS on the Research Advisory Committee for the Chicago Annenberg Project-see University of Chicago website entry below)

    An astute journalist who may have been familiar with the Chicago Annenburg Foundation’s Board makeup might have recognized the last name (PAYNE) and would have probed Sen Obama’s great uncle further with a followup question such as: What university did you work for? Was that the last official position you held at the University before you retired or were you responsible for other duties too? Do you have any children, tell me about your family, your wife , how do YOU feel about the fact that YOUR grandnephew is running for president of the USA?

    After all…this is THE POSSIBLE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE USA’S GREAT UNCLE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

    http://www.ssa.uchicago.edu/faculty/cmpayne.shtml

    The photo in the UC website next to the name Charles M Payne is that of an African American gentleman. From where I stand, I can only assume that this is a legitimate photo of Mr Charles M Payne-I have no reason to question it’s legitimacy.

    Read Charles M Payne’s bio on the UC website (link provided above) :

    An excerpt:

    “Payne has been a member of the Board of the Chicago Algebra Project, of the Steering Committee for the Consortium on Chicago School Research, the Research Advisory Committee for the Chicago Annenberg Project, the editorial boards of Catalyst, the Sociology of Education and Educational Researcher”
    He currently serves on the Board of MDRC, the editorial board of High School Journal, and the advisory board for Teacher College Press’ series on social justice. He is the co-founder of the Duke Curriculum Project, which involves university faculty in the professional development of public school teachers and also co-founder of the John Hope Franklin Scholars, which tries to better prepare high school youngsters for college. He is among the founders of the Education for Liberation Network, which encourages the development of educational initiatives that encourage young people to think critically about social issues and understand their own capacity for addressing them; i.e., freedom schools, social justice schools, rites of passage programs and so on.

    How COINCIDENTAL WOULD THIS BE IF SEN OBAMA AND CHARLES M.PAYNE WERE NOT RELATED?

    What are the odd’s of their not being related?

    Low enough, in my opinion, to warrant further investigation.

    If a family relationship exists between Charles M. Payne and Sen Obama, then this may help explain the following: why Sen Obama started his career in Chicago; why SEN OBAMA was chosen-with NO Experience – to serve as PRESIDENT of the Board of Directors of The Annenburg Foundation; Who provided Letters of recommendation for him to get into the University of Chicago Law School, and on and on and on…

    I am speculating here but…I MUST ask…so I can put it to rest…

    Is Sen Obama related to Charles M. Payne- the Mr Payne who served on the Research Advisory Committee for the Chicago Annenberg Project?

    Since Charles M Payne and Bill Ayers both deal with Education, and both are supposed heavy hitters in Chicago for their research work into this area…then…this fact BEGS THE QUESTON:

    How well do Charles M Payne and Bill Ayers know each other, other than Annenburg-have they collaborated on other projects together?

    If a personal relationship exists between Charles M Payne and Sen Obama…could Mr Payne be/have been a mentor to Sen Obama during his early years and helped to make SOME-not all-but SOME of the contacts for Sen Obama in the early years?

    Can someone please forward these questions to Mr Stanley Kurtz who has been investigating the Chicago Annenburg organization paperwork?

    I do not know what is the best way to reach him.

    If the mainstream media and the DNC had done their jobs properly, I would not be asking this question.

    • IndieDogg

      You can reach Stanley Kurtz at:

      comments.kurtz@nationalreview.com

      This e-mail address is publicly available from the header of his National Review Online articles so I’m not giving up any top-secret information (for those who would ask).

      • athy

        Thanks Indie Dogg

  • IndieDogg

    Is Obama going to have a “Mission Accomplished” banner behind him at his rock-star rally he’s planning?

  • samb
  • Kristen

    McCain needs to pound this economic message. Spread the wealth isn’t a concept that a majority of Americans identify with. And I think he is very astute in pointing out the times when we get a clear picture of Ohblabla’s true intention it is not scripted. His candid responses are telling. As well as Biden’s this weekend at his fundraiser.

    Truth speaks louder than any rhetoric.

    • Concerned Citizen X

      Yes, and America has had a “spread the wealth” campaign before — Huey Long in Louisiana in the Depression with his “share our wealth” campaign. The parallels are quite striking, especially considering that Huey Long turned Louisiana into a left-wing dictatorship. Even FDR, who broke with Long, compared him to Hitler and Mussolini.

  • http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com InsightAnalytical-GRL

    McCain CONFIRMED for Saturday rally here in So. NM!
    3:30 PM Mesilla Town Plaza

    Link to story at IA….

  • AnninCA

    Here’s a big one. McCain has challenged Obama twice now to state what the penalty will be to those who don’t purchase the health care plan.

    Not one journlist yet has followed up.

    Not one.

    It’s a major question, and they will track down Joe the Plumber’s license rather than ask the simple question: What will be the penalty?

  • Felizarte

    “Spread the wealth” is just another term for income redistribution; a basic tenet of socialism, marxism, Leninism, Maoism and communism. It is totally UN-AMERICAN because this government was founded on the principle of individual freedom, inalienable rights which include the pursuit of happiness. It does not make those who worked hard hoping to enjoy the fruits of their own labor just to have them confiscated by their govt. to be “spread” to others. Americans are generous at heart and willing to help others out of the goodness of their heart; but not to required to part with something that is needed for their own survival.

    This government is no longer “of the people, by the people and for the people.” Instead, it has become a government of SOME people, by SOME people, for SOME people.

    Is it too late for us?

  • an observer

    On every blog I visit that is aware of all the issues with Obama, the question keeps being asked in one form or another, “How can the mainstream media not only give this guy a pass but actually push him done our throats”? (No pun intended Larry.) How can they not “vet” this guy like they have everyone else in the past and worst yet totally ignore a story when all the work has already been done for them?

    Surely we’re getting the message by now. This is collusion by like minded entities.
    So why would the mainstream media and a bunch of thugs from Chicago link up?
    This county’s financial oligarchy that we typically refer to as “Wall Street” is responding to the derivatives crash, the loss of their wealth and power, with a head long flight into “corporatism”, aka Fascism.

    No way you say?

    Let’s look at the position of the intellectual ancestors of these plotters during the last great crash:

    The American Ambassador to Italy, Richard Washburn Child, was so impressed with “corporatism” that he wrote in the preface to Mussolini’s 1928 autobiography that “it may be shrewdly forecast that no man will exhibit dimensions of permanent greatness equal to Mussolini. . . . The Duce is now the greatest figure of this sphere and time.”

    Winston Churchill wrote in 1927 that “If I had been an Italian I am sure I would have been entirely with you” and “don the Fascist black shirt.” As late as 1940, Churchill was still describing Mussolini as “a great man.”

    U.S. Congressman Sol Bloom, Chairman of the House Foreign Relations Committee, said in 1926 that Mussolini “will be a great thing not only for Italy but for all of us if he succeeds. It is his inspiration, his determination, his constant toil that has literally rejuvenated Italy . . .”

    American economist Lawrence Dennis, in his 1936 book, The Coming American Fascism, declared that defenders of “18th-century Americanism” were sure to become “the laughing stock of their own countrymen” and that the adoption of economic fascism would intensify “national spirit” and put it behind “the enterprises of public welfare and social control.” The big stumbling block to the development of economic fascism, Dennis bemoaned, was “liberal norms of law or constitutional guarantees of private rights.”

    George Bernard Shaw announced in 1927 that his fellow “socialists should be delighted to find at last a socialist [Mussolini] who speaks and thinks as responsible rulers do.” He helped form the British Union of Fascists whose “Outline of the Corporate State,” according to the organization’s founder, Sir Oswald Mosley, was “on the Italian Model.”

    While visiting England, the American author Ezra Pound declared that Mussolini was “continuing the task of Thomas Jefferson.”

    A whole slew of armchair quarterbacks were deployed after FDR’s death to destroy his legacy. But the point is, he got it done. Our basic institutions survived. While a large portion of corporate America was pushing him towards “corporatism” he not only resisted, but told them to either get on board in the effort to save our democratic “republic” as it was founded, or get eliminated. He did not get to finish the job.

    So, here we are again. Fighting the same parasites that tried to destroy us once before. Republicans and Democrats alike are finding out that these powerful forces have extensive assets, willing and unwilling, in both parties. We are on our own.

    For me the fight against Obama is not a fight for McCain. As a Democrat I’ll have to pull the McCain lever to defeat a well organized movement that intends to place a fascist regime in control of the White House.

    We Democrats have allowed this “operation” or “conspiracy” to get control of the party by letting them “game” the system. We legitimatized them! We’ve opened Pandora’s box.

    A McCain victory may or may not close that box. Will he forget party affiliation for this critical moment in history and look to the successful remedies employed in the past? I‘ll have my fingers crossed when I pull his lever.

  • Dr. Kate

    Obama’s election night gala is going to be in park–grant park(?) anyway it was the site of the 1969 “days of rage” by dohrn and ayers. Interesting, eh?

  • WasLNbutNoBamaBotsKeepStealingMyName

    Just got this email from Barky’s campaign…looks like they are underplaying the too confident card:

    “The race is deadlocked in a number of crucial battleground states, including Ohio, Missouri, and Indiana. And we’re neck-and-neck in Florida, North Carolina, and Nevada.

    The margins of victory in this election will be slim, and it’s going to be decided in the field.

    We’re up against the Republicans’ proven get out the vote push — which delivered victories for George Bush in 2000 and 2004.”

    • JustMe

      Go John & Sarah

      All the way to the WHITEHOUSE~~

    • tzada

      Yea must be why they put out this AP poll TIED! They decided they better galvanize their troops. It was on Druge but I didn’t click on the link. Obama is paying 21,000,000 + to polls why would we even look at them?

      What is he paying 21 million to pollsters for? I thought they polled as part of their business.

  • Patrick

    Do NOT Fear!

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93VM4PO0&show_article=1

    AP has race basically even (McC down 1).

    We have time. America IS waking up…

    Be brave, VOTE!

    Take care,
    Patrick

  • Marty

    McCain the choice of Al-Qaeda

    “Al-Qaeda will have to support McCain in the coming election,” said a commentary posted Monday on the extremist Web site al-Hesbah, which is closely linked to the terrorist group. It said the Arizona Republican would continue the “failing march of his predecessor,” President Bush.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/21/AR2008102102477.html

    • http://ahillarybmccainamericafirst.com/ gerard “Barracuda” Nedich

      sounds like you Obama-bots are getting desperate…

      so sad…

      a. hillary
      b. mccain

      america first!

  • upper east side

    Say it aint so BO!

    Thank you John McCain! We need a man of your integrity in the white house.

  • Dawnelle

    Ok so check it out……. my daughter calls me to pronounce she just got back from voting (after telling me she wasn’t going to) and she’s of course proud of herself for voting for BHO.

    Well, I told her I hope that works out for her. (argh)

    btw, I’ve just got back from canceling out her vote. ;-)

    I had been holding my absentee ballot, holding, holding, holding it………… then she calls ME the little brat (my little brat) and forces me to go to the polling place, see if the lines were short to do it in person instead of mailing it!

    Barry had people outside the polling place giving water and dem instructions of who to vote for and when one old lady approached me and asked if I wanted the DEM list I waved her off and said “not after what they did to Hillary”

    then the OTHER one (also old also white) giving water said “oh you’re not voting for THAT other WOMAN r u?”

    I said, “hell ya, she’s a REAL woman, not some empty suit” turned and walked away, grabbed my ballot and popped it in the mail box! I didn’t want to stand there any longer or get into a BIG old shouting match about how they should NOT be out there in the first place. WAY too close to the voting booth doors imo. and WTF they were older than ME pushing that punk???

    grrrrrrrrr that’s some strong azz barackoolaid!

    or just ashame that W got it so bad that NO Dem that still calls themself DEM would ever vote R EVER. My Mom changed her mind. She won’t vote.

    I’m so upset they are giving up. MACK needed to seperate himself away from BUSH a LOT EARLIER is gonna be the sad line when he loses (if he loses) in NOV.

    argh
    can’t spend a hour with EVERYONE to catch them up
    there’s just too MUCH GARBAGE to explain

    damnnnnnnnnnn

    • AnninCA

      That’s against the law to mark ballots for voters.

      • Dawnelle

        they weren’t marking them

        they were passing out the list of DEMS running

        we have MANY races going down from judges to pretzeldent

        they don’t say on the ballot which party some of them belong to and DEMS like voting for DEMS all the way down but apparently don’t give a FIG what they believe in …………… sounds like brown shirt behavior to me!

        lmao and they used to PROPAGANDIZE that only the REPUGS DID IT!

        again

        liars, hypocrites, cheats, frauds, punks, I could go on but won’t

        • AnninCA

          Got it…..so that’s how they do it these days. I guess that’s legal.

    • athy

      Dawnelle-
      How close to the entrance of the polling location were Sen Obama’s people standing-the one’s that were giving out free water and instructing, urging, voters to vote for Sen Obama?

      This is called electioneering. It’s illegal when conducted on days that voting is taking place at poll locations.

      What city & state is your polling place located at?

      What precinct?

      Did you notice if any members of the Poll Worker Team noticed Obama’s people?

      What you witnessed Sen obama’s people doing was most likely was illegal.

      And…if it happened in your polling place it must be happening throughout the country.

      Please feel free to post details here because I am sure people who are collecting this type of info for documentation purposes will see it BUT…YOU NEED TO CONTACT YOUR LOCAL REGISTRAR OF VOTERS and Your Secretary of State’s office. You can also contact your local media including radio, newspaper, local citizen blog sites. -you can do this anonymously if you prefer & ask them to come see for themselves.

      It definetely would not hurt to contact any Republican Party campaign headquarters located in your town to make them aware of this situation.

  • jrterrier
  • PhxNickD

    So why the news “now” that the polls are tightening up? You think maybe the MSM finally got the picture that Obama really doesn’t care about them, when he started selling media spots to his coronation?

    Won’t this be so sweet, for him to have to give a concession speech, which all the media would have had to pay for after carrying him these past two years.

  • McKatmoon

    Out of his mouth again today-This is how he is working the youth vote, lending the belief that college will be paid for, they don’t realize at what cost……

    Obama today on what he told Joe the Plumber about ‘spread the wealth’:

    Barack Obama: “In that sense, that does involve us spreading around opportunity.” OBAMA: “The simple point I was making was that even assuming he’s at a point that he wants to buy a business that he hopes will generate more than $250,000, the point I was making was that ten years ago or five years ago or even a year ago when he was making a lot less than that, he was having a tough time. … We don’t mind people getting enormously wealthy because of their skills and their talents and their drive. But we always want to make sure that the playing field is such where everybody who’s got a good idea has a chance to succeed. Everybody’s got a chance to get financing. Everybody who works hard is able to raise their family. Everybody has an opportunity if they act responsibly to send their kids to college and retire with dignity and respect. And in that sense, that does involve us spreading around opportunity.

    (Barack Obama Press Conference, 10/22/08)

    http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/barack_obama_on_joe_biden_gaff.html

    • jrterrier

      this is what the campaign does each time. it’s the same as when he said that he would meet with rogue leaders without precondition. then they changed it to his administration will meet after preparations. they are also trying to re-write what biden said to mean that every president gets tested. i don’t think he’s going to be able to get away with it this time. the media will try. but everyone saw joe the plumber and the video and the way the media went after joe the plumber.

      and they have also tweaked their economic plan to avoid the label socialist by adding a work component so that the “tax” cut won’t be going to anyone not paying taxes to begin with.

  • Chicago Joe

    NEWS CONFERENCE DETAILS:

    WHO:

    Honolulu investigator, anti-Obama nemesis and Obama Author Andy Martin

    WHAT:

    National anti-Obama leader Andy Martin announces ‘the secret truths’ about Senator Barack Obama

    WHERE:

    Hawai’i State Capitol, in front of the statute of Queen Lilioukalani (rear of building)

    WHEN: Wednesday, October 22, 2:30 P. M.

    MEDIA CONTACT: CELL (917) 664-9329

  • jrterrier

    a video off an old Biden riff — if it walks like a duck . . .

    http://thinkinboutstuff.com/thinkinboutstuff/nfblog/2008/10/22/biden-if-it-walks-like-a-duck/

  • Chicago Joe

    Andy Martin’s request to see Obama birth certificate denied by Hawaii court. http://www.state.hi.us/jud/opinions/sct/2008/29414ord.pdf

  • Crystal M

    Ugh. Check out this video. I can’t believe would could actually have a socialist in the White House!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2JPbQOHEkY