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Questions About Obama and The Muslim Brotherhood Lead To More Questions **UPDATED**

UPDATE: Protesters called for huge numbers today for Friday prayers in an effort to oust Mubarrak. Once again, the numbers are below 250,000 (“tens of thousands”), just as they were for the “Million Man March” the other day. The Cairo Metropolitan area has over 22 MILLION people, and Egypt 85 MILLION people. Again, I have to ask – how is it this one relatively small mob is forcing out this president?

And why is Obama seeking “REGIME CHANGE” with our closest ally in the Middle East, and peacekeeper with Israel? Where is the hue and cry from the Left on this? Oh, wait – since it is Obama, it is fine and dandy. Right…

Indeed, the more answers I get about this organization, the more questions I have. For instance, why did Obama invite the PM of the Muslim Brotherhood to his speech in Cairo on June, 9, 2009? Especially considering the contentious relationship between the Brotherhood, and Egypt’s president? Is there any way a comparable scenario would be allowed to play out in the United States? That the nemesis of the president would be invited to attend the speech of a visiting dignitary? I think not.

Yet, that is exactly what Obama did:

[snip] The Muslim Brotherhood has been a thorn in President Mubarak’s side for many decades. Many of its members, at one time or another have been jailed. However, the group has 86 members in the Egyptian parliament, and the head of the Parliamentarian bloc of the Muslim Brotherhood, Mohammad Al Katatini, stated on Tuesday that he had received a private invitation from the American President to come to Al-Azhar University, where Obama will deliver his speech. This is an audacious move on the part of Obama, which managed to irritate the Egyptian leadership who say that the Brotherhood is ‘illegal’. Apparently, Americans officials in Cairo met with Al Katatini according to a report from Al Jazeera. [snip] (Click here to read the rest.)


And then there was that secret meeting between former Ambassador to Egypt, Frank Weisner, and a senior leader in the Muslim Brotherhood, Issam El-Erian, on January 31, 2011, in Cairo.

What the hell is going on here?

In all honesty, I am not really surprised by these actions of Obama or his Administration. Though I was surprised to learn that Rep. Keith Ellison of Minnesota went on a trip to Mecca sponsored by a group, MAS (Muslim American Society), with these ties to the Muslim Brotherhood:

[snip] The MAS was founded by members of the Muslim Brotherhood, an international Islamist movement created in Egypt in 1928. Radical members of the Brotherhood founded the terror group Hamas and were among the first members of Al Qaeda.

The Muslim American Society’s former secretary general has acknowledged that the group was founded by the Brotherhood, and in 2004 he estimated that about half of MAS members were in the Muslim Brotherhood. [snip]

[snip] “It is the de facto arm of the Muslim Brotherhood in the U.S.,” said Steven Emerson, director of the Investigative Project on Terrorism. “The agenda of the MAS is to … impose Islamic law in the U.S., to undermine U.S. counterterrorism policy.”
[snip](Click here to read the rest.)

Wow. Now THAT is disturbing. Yet we are often bludgeoned into silence int his country should we dare raise any questions about these kinds of Muslim organizations. It seems we should have been asking a lot more questions,of Obama, and his associates, especially if you look at the choices Obama has made with some of his appointments. As it turns out, a number of them, including one of the people he chose to participate in his inauguration ceremonies:

[snip] Obama’s first attempt at outreach to Muslims came when he chose the head of a Muslim Brotherhood-linked group that had been named an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas terror funding case to give a prayer during his inauguration ceremonies. Ingrid Mattson, who was then president of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), offered this prayer at the National Cathedral on Obama’s Inauguration Day – despite the fact that the previous summer, federal prosecutors rejected a request from ISNA to remove its unindicted co-conspirator status.

There is no record of Obama ever asking Mattson to explain ISNA’s links to the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas. On the contrary: he sent his Senior Adviser Valerie Jarrett to be the keynote speaker at ISNA’s national convention in 2009.

But wait – there’s more:

Even worse, in April 2009, Obama appointed Arif Alikhan, the deputy mayor of Los Angeles, as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development at the Department of Homeland Security. Just two weeks before he received this appointment, Alikhan (who once called the jihad terror group Hizballah a “liberation movement”) participated in a fundraiser for the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC). Like ISNA, MPAC has links to the Muslim Brotherhood. In a book entitled In Fraternity: A Message to Muslims in America, coauthor Hassan Hathout, a former MPAC president, is identified as “a close disciple of the late Hassan al-Banna of Egypt.” The MPAC-linked magazine The Minaret spoke of Hassan Hathout’s closeness to al-Banna in a 1997 article: “My father would tell me that Hassan Hathout was a companion of Hassan al-Banna….Hassan Hathout would speak of al-Banna with such love and adoration; he would speak of a relationship not guided by politics or law but by a basic sense of human decency.”

Al-Banna, of course, was the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood.[snip] (Click here to read the rest.)

So, yes, that Obama invited the PM to his speech in Cairo, and had the former Ambassador meet with the Brotherhood in private really should not be a surprise. Evidently, Obama’s connections with the Brotherhood are not new.

And this news raises this important question for me: how, and why,is Secretary of State Hillary Clinton able to justify this support for the Muslim Brotherhood to have a role in Egypt’s government given her lifelong work and dedication to women and children? I do not understand it.

Anyone who has read me regularly knows that my support for Hillary Clinton was complete and unwavering. I had never felt so strongly about a presidential candidate in my life as I did about her run for president. And not just because she was a woman, but because she was one of the most qualified, experienced, intelligent people with a real grasp of what is going on in the lives of regular Americans as any candidate I have ever seen. Her ability to hold so many different concepts at once, able to see down the road how implementation of policies would be most effective, and she was able to communicate her knowledge with compassion, wisdom, and humor. In short, she was the complete package.

Clinton’s work on behalf of women and children began after law school when she went to work for the Children’s Defense Fund in 1970, and her commitment only grew after that. Her work as First Lady of Arkansas, First Lady of the United States, US Senator from New York, and now Secretary of State, have all included her commitment to women and children. She routinely speaks out about the positive effect on a country when its women and children are educated, and has an office dedicated to Women’s Issuesin the State Department.

Curiously, there is also an office for outreach to Muslim Communities, initiated in 2009. This special representative, Farah, Pandith, reports directly to the Secretary. Interesting, that. Why is our State Department reaching out to a particular religious group, I have to ask? Again, it should not be a surprise that this office came into being with Obama’s presidency.

All of the above leads me back to this: how can Secretary Clinton continue to support President Obama in his push for the Muslim Brotherhood to be involved in governing Egypt? The Muslim Brotherhood wants to implement Sharia Law, for heaven’s sake. How in the world can Secretary Clinton stand by this? How can she possibly condone the impact this will have on women in Egypt given her lifelong work for women to have full human rights? How? I simply do not understand this. It seems to fly in the face of everything for which she has stood, and about which she spoke, in this groundbreaking speech back in 1995:

If Sharia Law is implemented in Egypt, as it surely will be if the Muslim Brotherhood is involved, it will set back women’s progress there decades. How Secretary Clinton can remain silent on this is beyond me. There is still time, though, and I hope she will come out and say the right thing, or give up her office rather than be complacent in Obama’s push for the Brotherhood’s involvement there. I hope she will truly stand on the side of women, and not this president who clearly does not have women’s best interests at heart (which I have been saying from the get-go. Do you think “Ms. Magazine” and N.O.W. have gotten it, um, now?).

Will Secretary Clinton stand with women around the world, or will she stand with Obama? One can only hope she will choose the former. The latter would just be unthinkable…

  • Daisy Mae

    This is good, RRRAmy. I am glad the M.B. is finally getting the attention it deserves.   As for Keith Ellison, words fail me.  The State of MInnesota does sharia financing.  Large Somali population, ya know. Doesn’t apply to Unitarians, Lutherans, Jews, and assorted thises and thats.  Pity.

  • HARP

    Don’t buy the hype about the moderate Muslim Brotherhood. Kirsten Powers on why the U.S. should worry about the rise of an Islamic power in Cairo. 

    As a liberal, I have a very hard time with the idea that I’m not supposed to care about a potential government that is oppressive to minorities and women.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-02-03/why-america-should-worry-about-an-islamic-government-in-egypt/full/

  • JimTicehurst

    Excellent AMY..well Put together..you RAWK…! :-D

  • West Virginia

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    Great eye opener, RRRA.  The NYT seems to praise the O admin for engaging the MB because it is, in their opinion, inevitable that they will rise to power in Egypt.  I wonder if the O thinks that he can make them change their religion or if he thinks that Israel simply must go away so there will be a homogenized ME. (Middle East.  Not ME like in ObaME).  But I fear a homogenized ME could become a unified ME with a unified army that could rival all of Europe.

  • olivia1998

    Excellent post RRRA.  I don’t understand how the MSM can’t link Code Pink who is over their and supports the Muslim Brotherhood to Obama.   Jodi Evans is one of Obama’s biggest supporters.  She passed a message to the Taliban for him.

  • JimTicehurst

    And lets not forget we had Our own type of BROTHER~HOOD Coup already in The United States…”God Damn the USKKK of A.” The Chickens have come Home to “Roost.”

    I am disappointed that Hillary plays a Role in this Coup..

    I almost wish some major Foregn Power would demand that Omaba Steps down now.. He is exposing more of His TRUE CREATURE every Day..

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Wow, HARP, I am glad to know Powers said that.  Good for her.  I simply do not understand how these “liberal” women, of whom I used to count myself, act as if there is nothing wrong with Sharia Law!  Are you kidding me?  Good grief.  I guess it is in that whole mindset of “it’s cool to support Muslims against these RWers.”  Uh huh.  Right.

    Daisy Mae, great comment.  You said it abt MN and what the other groups can expect to get.

    I just do not understand how such a very, very small religious group is getting so much FEDERAL money.  To what other religious group does the State Dept. provide outreach?  With OUR money??

    And this whole MB thing – it sure seems like the more layers are pulled back, the more there are connections with Obama, don’t you think?

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    That One and his administration, though it will only serve a single term, will be characterized by historians as the first that did not put country first. The longer That One is in office, the more convinced I am that he is something far more insidious than a Marxist/Stalinist or whatever pejorative moniker one would care to place on that chameleon.

  • NOOGAN!!

    Good Questions, RRRAmy & good catch regarding Obama’s ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and ISNA. Very disturbing stuff! 

  • HARP

    I have yelled at my TV on more than one occasion when she is on but I will give her credit for this one. I only hope she is not savagely attacked by the likes of tingles for this.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thanks, Olivia – and that is an excellent question.  I have to say, it is just not that hard to make these connections.  If the MSM is not making them, it is because they don’t WANT to make them…

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    But I fear a homogenized ME could become a unified ME with a unified army that could rival all of Europe.
    ======================
    I’m not worried about a Moslem/Arab army and I’m not worried about Israel, either. On the other hand, the Arab countries would be wise to start doing some worrying about Israel. I think the Jewish state is just about done with wrist slaps to Moslem extremists.

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    The State of MInnesota does sharia financing.  Large Somali population, ya know. Doesn’t apply to Unitarians, Lutherans, Jews, and assorted thises and thats.
    =====================================
    That should be an illegal practice unless everyone can participate. Kinda violates equal opportunity, doesn’t it? Things that make you go, hmmm.

  • olivia1998

    what does that say about our country?   Or the state of the world news organizations  God help us

  • Daisy Mae

    Yes — on the connections to Obama.  Just too many tentacles out there.  I am grateful for maybe a good coming out of this dreadful Egypt situation, and that is a heightened awareness of the M.B., Sharia issues, and the ghastly situation of so many women in the Muslim world.  

  • JimTicehurst

    I wonder how Obamas enablers and handlers in Chicago..i/e Rev. Wright and Louis Farrakahn fit into this LINK with the Muslim Brotherhood..?

  • armymom

    Well isn’t Farrakahn head of the Nation of Islam? Not too far of a stretch to say they’re pretty thick.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    From your keyboard, Ferd – I hope Obama only serves one term. I cannot imagine the damage he will do if he somehow finagles another term…

    And Noogan, it really is disturbing abt the numerous connections. Again, had anyone in the media bothered to investigate him while he was a candidate, and wet behind the ears senator, no doubt these connections would have come out.  But the times there were little glimpses, they were quickly squashed.  Anyone who dared mention them was summarily attacked, ridiculed, and called names, thus making it clear that any real indepth look into who Obama really was would not end well for the intrepid investigator. 

    And now THOSE chickens are coming home to roost…

  • Hokma

    The man is who he is. Obama has extensive Muslim roots in addition to being a member in good standing of the anti-Israel Reverand Wright – his spiritual mentor. Just about every one of his foreign policy advisors during his campaign election had established anti-Israel credentials.

    So should we be surprised by Obama’s silence during the Iranian uprising and his complicity with the Muslim Brotherhood during these uprisings?

    I believe Obama wants to see a Middle East governed by Sharia law and “Israel wiped off the face of the map.”

    One has to begin to question Obama’s heart and his soul as well as his loyalty to this country. I’m sorry.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Oh don’t be sorry!! Who exactly do we have in the WH? He is certainly anti everything this country holds dear. Plus, totally against Loyal Patriotic Americans. It is mind-blowing…

  • PUMA GSD

    This should erased any doubt that the Manchurian Candidate has
    moved from being fiction to non-fiction. OMG

  • nickoury

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    All is not hopeless.

    Stop banging yuor head against the wall.

    Here’s something to look forward to.

    No, not the main article, although it is very surprisingly enlightening/enternaining, but the comments are an absolute MUST READ! You won’t be dissappointed.

    “Why Obama has to get Egypt right”

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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/02/AR2011020205041.html

  • nickoury

    All is not hopeless.  
     
    Stop banging yuor head against the wall.  
     
    Here’s something to look forward to.  
     
    No, not the main article, although it is very surprisingly enlightening/enternaining, but the comments are an absolute MUST READ! You won’t be dissappointed.  
     
     
    “Why Obama has to get Egypt right”  
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/02/AR2011020205041.html

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    No, Hokma, I suppose we shouldn’t.  It is a striking difference, isn’t it, and how Obama responded to the two different protests?  Of course, Iran DOES have a brutal dictator and *crickets*.  Egypt is our closest ally in the Arab world, keeper of the peace with Israel, and all of a sudden, Obama finds his words.  Wow.

    Great comment.

  • EWard

    Rev. Amy

    Very informative post!

    Saw this comment from The Telegraph from Harley 2002….Con Couglin piece….

    “Obama regrets nothing. He is doing this on purpose. Let me repeat myself again. Obama is a MUSLIM these are his people. I mean what does he have to do strap on a suicide vest to convince people? Bows to Muslims and dictators. Trashes Israel England and other close allies. Destroying our economy just like Bin Laden wanted. Why is it so hard for people to just see what he is ? Maybe it is just to horrible for some minds to assimilate this truth. Hope we can survive this traitor. ”

  • nickoury

    All is not hopeless.    
       
    Stop banging yuor head against the wall.    
       
    Here’s something to look forward to.    
       
    No, not the main article, although it is very surprisingly enlightening/enternaining, but the comments are an absolute MUST READ! You won’t be dissappointed. Apparently there are still some people who don’t live in Bizarro World.   
       
    “Why Obama has to get Egypt right”    
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/02/AR2011020205041.html

  • +

    Amy,

    What do you have against the Muslim Brotherhood? They are a legitimate organization. Do you even know anything about the Muslim Brotherhood?

    Amy, why don’t you education yourself a little instead of repeating all the fear-mongering you do. All we get from you, Amy, is 24/7 fear-mongering based on no clear understanding of the issues you attempt to address and based on no actual real facts.

    Here are two takes on the Muslim Brotherhood by people who actually know what they are talking about. Have a look. Maybe the quality of your work will improve.

    http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/67348/carrie-rosefsky-wickham/the-muslim-brotherhood-after-mubarak?page=show

    and

    http://www.juancole.com/2011/02/why-egypt-2011-is-not-iran-1979.html

  • helenk

    Why is code pink allowed to interfer in other nations? They seem to froment trouble where ever they go.

    http://bigpeace.com/taylorking/2011/02/03/obama-code-pink-and-egypt-there-are-no-coincidences-in-politics/

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    From the comments section:

    “Georgie baby, Two words: Blow. Me.”
    =======================LMAO

  • yttik

    Great post, Rev Amy. Hillary is in a tough position and I think it’s very complex. In a perfect world she would be able to completely reject any political entity that doesn’t embrace women’s rights, but in the world we live in, and especially in the ME, that’s not reality. There is no feminist org prepared to take the reigns in Egypt, no western style democracy sitting in the sidelines.

    I am really frustrated after an afternoon with some liberal friends of mine. This Muslim Brotherhood is a persecuted minority, fighting against a repressive regime, blah, blah, blah. They are the good guys, freedom fighters with noble intentions, power to the people. All these poor victims want is the right to practice their peaceful religion, spread the wealth, and create a lovely utopia in Egypt. Naturally I am probably a racist and I hate Muslims and I obviously support fascism since I’m concerned that once a dictator is removed, something worse might slip in to fill the void.

    Arrrggggg!

    You know what’s really interesting? This same group of friends did not say the same thing about the protests in Iran. There was no solidarity with the people in Iran during the recent protests. It’s really odd.

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    + has been flagged for abyssmal ignorance and abject stupidity.

    The Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist sponsor, you monumental twit. Do go abuse yourself in private, shithead, and leave us out of your misery.

  • FrenchNail

    Few days ago I google Islam and socialism. The answers I found were very interesting. The analysis of compatibility between Islam and Socialism are numerous enough added to the enemy of my enemy is a friend of mine, to understand that Obama is more in sync with the Muslim revolutionaries than with Joe Smith, Anythown USA.

  • EWard

    nickoury

    LOL -advice from George Soros in Washington Compost……….. :-D

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Holy moley, that is some article, helenk.  How IS it Code Pink is able to make all of these trips? And what are they doing going to other countries and fomenting dissent?  How are they doing this without more coverage, or making the connections to Obama as easily as this article did with their founder? 

    Good grief, we have no true mainstream press any more, do we?  They have become simply a mouthpiece for Obama. Disturbing.

  • FrenchNail

    Never forget that Rev. Wright was a converted and practicing Muslim before “seeing the light” and preaching black liberation theology, a theology which masquarades as Christian, but is none other that a racist cult aiming at black supremacy and marxist social justice.

  • +

    Ferd,

    Prove that the Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist sponsor! Where exactly did you get that? In fact, the Muslim Brotherhood has been against terrorism and has been fighting against radical movements for a few decades now.

    “By the 1970s the Brotherhood’s leaders were willing to make their peace with the government of Anwar El Sadat. He let them operate if they agreed not to resort to violence and not to try to overthrow the government. In the 1990s, the Brotherhood came to counter the radical movements, such as the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, and so had a tacit partnership with the state.”

    Why don’t read the stories from the links I provide by credible people that have studied the region and these groups for years. Instead you give a moranic response with absolutely no support to your BS.

    Neocons like you Ferd have done nothing but get this country into shitty costly situations based on your ignorance.

  • +

    Ferd,  
     
    Prove that the Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist sponsor! Where exactly did you get that? In fact, the Muslim Brotherhood has been against terrorism and has been fighting against radical movements for a few decades now.  
     
    “By the 1970s the Brotherhood’s leaders were willing to make their peace with the government of Anwar El Sadat. He let them operate if they agreed not to resort to violence and not to try to overthrow the government. In the 1990s, the Brotherhood came to counter the radical movements, such as the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, and so had a tacit partnership with the state.”  
     
    Why don’t you read the stories from the links I provide by credible people that have studied the region and these groups for years. Instead you give a moranic response with absolutely no support to your BS.  
     
    Neocons like you Ferd have done nothing but get this country into shitty costly situations based on your ignorance.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    That is indeed odd.  I simply do not understand so-called liberals being A-Okay with an organization that wants not only jihad, but Sharia Law.  Sharia Law, for pete’s sake! How in the world do they get their brains to make these kinds of nonsensical leaps?

    And yes – where the hell were they when the people were protesting in Iran??  Nowhere to be seen.  But Obama has given them the whistle, and off they go, defedning an organization that is known in other corners as Hamas. 

    But hey – it’s cool to support these kind of people, right?  Good grief.

  • armymom

    I think I know why that is. Iran is already a muslim, hell bent on treating woman shitty, country. Egypt was pretty secular and the muslims want to be like Iran. Therefore, no complaint about the Iran freedom fighters, they were upsetting the apple cart. Nope, Obama and the liberals don’t seem to think that stoning women to death because they talk to a male that isn’t related to them is a problem.

  • FrenchNail

    “Why is it so hard for this people to see what he is”

    It is hard because it is against the human nature. All those people who voted for him, have now to admit they have been fooled, conned and gamed. And their pride is getting in the way of that.

    It is going to take much much more for them to admit they are not as smart as they think and that they got played big time. Nothing Obama does will achieve this. It will take an outside attack/event to give an out to all those people trapped in their own pride. And by then the situation will be much more dire than it is right now.

  • FrenchNail

    WWIII ANYONE?

  • nickoury

    I’m totally shocked at the lack of Soros supporter comments, what’s up with that? The compost is one of their bastions.

  • EWard

    Rev. Amy

    Tea Party Journalists/Blogs are on the frontline to uncover Obama’s corrupt agenda. 

  • +

    Amy,

    Every middle east expert I’ve heard in the last couple of weeks, talking about this topic, has said, without much equivocation, that the MB are
    a) A fairly irrelevant minority in Egypt that, if an honest democratic election were to be held, would gain a few seats in some parliament
    and
    b) Not overly interested in arguing for a theocracy, even if the had the majority from which to do so.

    I have yet to hear any expert express the concern that you are voicing here (along with a lot of the hysterics from the Right).

  • Donna brazil nut

    Look f+: did you miss the civility memorandum? Or are you always such a puss?

    Stop the pussfest!

  • +

    An Interview with the Brotherhood

    Interview with Khaled Hamza, the editor of the Muslim Brotherhood’s official website.

    What role would the Muslim Brotherhood have in creating a new state if it participated in the political process?

    We would take part in Parliament and run in the elections for it. [Under Mubarak’s ban on the group, members of the Brotherhood must run for office as independents – Ed.) When people choose the Muslim Brotherhood, the West must understand that the people want it.

    So the Brotherhood would support the maintenance of a secular government?

    When the Muslim Brotherhood uses the word “secular,” it does not mean no religion — we are talking about what we call a “civilized state.”

    What if an Egyptian extremist group like Islamic Jihad wanted to take part in the elections, would this be allowed?

    No, if they want to make a terrorist operation against civilians we would jail them and stop them from participating in the elections. We will only accept the peaceful and democratic way in political life. If they use violence, we would jail them.

    Do you support the establishment of sharia (Islamic law) in the way the government of Saudi Arabia has established it?

    The Brotherhood does not agree with the monarchy in Saudi Arabia, because it is simply not democratic.

    So you believe that there has to be a certain way to put sharia into place, but that establishing it through monarchy or by force is unacceptable? 

    Yes, democracy is the only way.

    What about the Iranian model?

    The Iranians follow the Ayatollah; we do not believe Islam requires a theocracy.  In our view, the ulema (clergy) are only for teaching and education — they are out of the political sphere.  Iran has some good things, such as elections, but we disagree with all the aggression.  We disagree also with the human rights abuses from the government and attacks on the population.

    What about groups that would seek to exclude or discriminate on the basis of ethnicity, sex or religion?

    No, we are all united. There is no difference between Muslim, Christian, or whatever.

    Should women be forced to wear the hijab, as they are in Iran?

    No, they must choose.  They should not be forced to wear hijab. We would never push the people to do something they don’t want to.  But if a woman does not wish to wear hijab, there would be law to wear something respectable — not like a prostitute.  Women must choose their way of Islam.

    If the Brotherhood were in power in Egypt, what would be the rights of women to participate in politics?  Could a woman serve in Parliament, or as President?

    We believe in the complete participation of women in political life — except the presidency.

    http://www.worldpolicy.org/blog/2011/01/31/interview-brotherhood

  • oowawa

    “Why is it so hard for people to see what he is?”

    From the Bob Dylan song:

    “But you’re gonna have to serve somebody, yes
    You’re gonna have to serve somebody,
    Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
    But you’re gonna have to serve somebody.”

    And Obama, like many charlatans before him, understood this human need and took advantage of it to glorify himself . . .

  • +

    Donna,

    You give your standard intelligent value-added comment. Great contribution! Why don’t you just cut and paste the standard Donna insult reply? It will save you time.

  • armymom

    http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/mb.htm

    Nasser’s successor, Anwar-as-Sadat, promised the Brothers that shari’a would be implemented as the Egyptian law and released all of the Brotherhood prisoners; however, the Brothers lost their trust in Sadat when he signed the peace agreement with Israel in 1979; four Brothers assassinated Sadat in September, 1981.

    Although officially banned by the Egyptian government since 1954, the Muslim Brothers captured 17 seats in the Egyptian Parliament running as independents; they also hold important offices in professional organizations in Egypt.
    Today, a very complex financial network connects the operations of over seventy branches of the Muslim Brothers worldwide. During the Muslim Brothers’ seventy-plus years of existence, there have been cycles of growth, followed by divisions into factions, including clandestine financial networks, and violent jihad groups, such as al-Jihad and al-Gama’at al-Islamiyya in Egypt, HAMAS in Palestine and mujahideen groups in Afghanistan. 

    http://bigjournalism.com/dloesch/2011/02/02/wapo-muslim-brotherhood-inspired-by-ymca/

    the Brotherhood eventually murdered Sadat in a 1981 coup attempt — in accordance with a fatwa issued by Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman (later of World Trade Center–bombing fame) after Sadat made peace with the hated “Zionist entity.”

    http://www.politicsdaily.com/2011/02/01/after-egypts-mubarak-the-muslim-brotherhood/

    It is a secretive Islamist organization that has raised troops to fight Israel, called for global jihad against infidels and martyrdom for its youth. A Muslim Brotherhood gang assassinated former Egyptian President Anwar Sadat for making peace with Israel, and the Brotherhood inspired and maintains links with Hamas, Islamic Jihad and al-Qaeda.

    http://tellthechildrenthetruth.com/mbhood_en.html

    http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/592

    Here’s some links for you minus. Although I’m sure you’ll ignore them as they don’t fit your narrative. Unfortunately I’m afraid you’re like concrete……all mixed up and permanately set.

  • West Virginia

    Egypt’s banned Muslim Brotherhood movement has unveiled its plans to scrap a peace treaty with Israel if it comes to power, a deputy leader said in an interview with NHK TV.

    Rashad al-Bayoumi said the peace treaty with Israel will be abolished after a provisional government is formed by the movement and other Egypt’s opposition parties.

    “After President Mubarak steps down and a provisional government is formed, there is a need to dissolve the peace treaty with Israel,” al-Bayoumi said.

    http://en.rian.ru/world/20110203/162433368.html

  • Donna brazil nut

    F+: blah, blah, blah ;)

  • West Virginia

    — except the presidency. 

    !!!

  • +

    Meanwhile, people outside the US worry that the Tea Party movement, while not itself a Christian fundamentalist thing, could easily be taken over by fundamentalists who are basically theocratic and indifferent to human rights.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Agreed – the comments there were surprising, to say the least.  Maybe some people are finally getting it indeed.  Thank you for the link, and for calling our attention to the comments.  They are well worth the read.

  • armymom

    The ‘mission statement’ of the Muslim Brotherhood from their website
    Allah is our objective. The messenger is our leader. Quran is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.

  • Donna brazil nut

    Why waste time debating with a an obot meathead? Love having you here for the amusement factor because no one reads your posts 8-)

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    I meant to add, I know Hillary is in a tough position, but at what point does one say, “I will not support an organization that believes in treating women so disparately,” given a lilfelong commitment to the betterment of women?

    I understand, to complicate matters more, that Clinton and the First Lady of Egypt, Suzanne Mubarak, are friends.  The First Lady has also done a lot of work on behalf of women.

  • oowawa

    And you know what, Donna, he really believes what that jackass says!

    Stop the naive believe-the-bullshit fest!

  • armymom

    Yea, I’ve seen those tea partiers slit people’s throats, oh wait, not them, Al Queda, a “grandson” of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    I know, I’ve heard them want to hang a black judge…..Oh darn, wrong again, that’s the left when they were potesting against the Koch brothers in California and thought Clarence Thomas should be hung.

    Yea, tea partiers are “indifferent to human rights”, especially those rights of the unborn, oh no, wrong again, that would be the left again.

    Give it up minus, you lose again. Oh snap!!!!!

  • +

    Armymom,

    Not sure if you are accurate, as you should provide a link, but even if you are right, so what? They are a religious group. Nothing wrong with that.

    They sound no different than the Chrisitian coalition in the U.S. In fact, many scholars compare the Muslim Brotherhood to Evangelicals in the U.S. They have influence, but no real power or popularity and represent only a minority.

  • +

    West  Virginia,

    The Muslim Brotherhood has diverse views on Israel, so hard to say exactly what they think. However, the Muslim Brotherhood only have minority support in Egypt, so no real chance of them taking any real power in the country to make any kind of significant change to the relationship with Israel.

    And who cares of they take a harder view against Israel, given the Palestinian situation. Israel needs more pressure.

  • +

    Donna,

    How old are you?

  • armymom

    Better check again minus. Evangelicals are courted by every political party there is because without them, you lose. Obama bent over backwards and every which way to hell to try to convince them that he was “one of them”. And scholars? Pluuuuueeeze. If you’re talking about “scholars” such as the type that are like Obama, well there’s already a study that our college students are wasting at least 2 years of their lives at college because they’re not learning anything and who is it that’s teaching them? Oh, that’s right……SCHOLARS…And as Forrest Gump would say…..And that’s all I have to say about that.

  • jj

    Doesn’t something like the Muslim brotherhood run Saudi Arabia? And we do have good relations with the Kingdom. Egypt seems to be a more western country than the Kingdom and does have a pretty large Christian Coptic Orthodox population.

    I think things will work itself out in Egypt. I trust secretary Clinton. I do think we should stop giving aid (bribes?) to Egypt & Israel. I agree with Rand Paul on this.

  • armymom

    “Jihad is our Way”. Weren’t you just saying up above that the Muslim Brotherhood weren’t Jihadists? You lose again. Damn this is fun.

  • armymom

    She’s old enough to realize that she’s dealing with a child or someone who doesn’t know what they hell they’re talking about.

  • SYD

    Incredibly disturbing trend, Rev. Amy. If, as it appears, the Left is supporting Theocratic takeoverby any religious “brotherhood.”

    I am in shock that may former political party is willing to enable this B.S.

    Thanks for keeping me apprised.

  • armymom

    Have you checked on the Christian Coptic Orthodox population lately? They’re getting mutilated over there.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-egypt-coptics-20110204,0,7327517.story?track=rss

    http://frontpagemag.com/2011/02/01/why-coptic-christians-fear-a-revolution/

    Forgotten in all the excitement over the revolution in Egypt has been the precarious situation of Coptic Christians there. Yet just weeks ago, Copts in Egypt experienced an unprecedented reign of terror. An Islamic jihad-martyrdom suicide bomber murdered twenty-two people and wounded eighty more at the Coptic Christian Church of the Saints in Alexandria, Egypt on New Year’s Eve. Just days later, as Christmas (which Copts celebrate on January 7) 2011 approached, an Islamic website carried this ominous exhortation: “Blow up the churches while they are celebrating Christmas or any other time when the churches are packed.” And if the Muslim Brotherhood takes power in Egypt, the treatment of the Copts is likely only to get worse.

    http://www.meforum.org/23/egypt-persecution

  • oowawa

    Lest we forget: now this is what I call a real old-fashioned butt-kicking:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Days_War

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    WVA, I had heard abt that plan by the MB.  I suppose one result is that we would get back our National Guard protecting the border between Israel and Egypt. Maybe they could protect OUR border here.  Ahem.

    Sorry – couldn’t resist.  But this is not a subject to be taken lightly by any stretch.  Egypt’s longstanding peace with Israel is critical – CRITICAL.  Should the MB succeed in their quest, it will be a difficult day indeed.

  • Donna brazil nut

    Thanks army mom! No need for me to respond after your post! Now do you see how it’s done f+?

  • Donna brazil nut

    Damn f+: At this rate you’re not even going to be socially promoted from preschool.

  • nickoury
  • sowsear

    The writer is chairman of the Soros Fund Management and the Open Society Foundations, which support democracy and human rights in more than 70 countries.

    Soros…that’s all she wrote.

  • nickoury
  • Onofre’s arm

    “The Muslim Brotherhood has diverse views on Israel,”

    Yes, I’m sure that within the MB, there are a multitude of ideas and diverse views on the best way to eradicate Israel and kill every last Israeli. Gosh, I’ll bet they even get into arguments about it. There was a similar heated debate 70 years ago, among like minded folks, who were deeply concerned about the most efficient way to round up and dispose of millions of Jews and other assorted riffraff. It’s almost as though the MB was ideologically aligned with the Nazis. Wait a minute………as it turns out…………THEY ARE!

  • nickoury
  • HARP

    +……..Those thoughts keep circling outside your head. Just out of reach from any coherent understanding.

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    Armymom,

    At least you are trying to reply instead of your usual cheap juvenile insults.

    A couple of points. First you clearly did not read my very credible links to analysis on the Muslim Brotherhood from known experts on these issues.

    Did you even read your own quotes?

    Lets go through them one by one:

    1) your first quote; not sure who the source is. It is not a very scholarly piece and does not really say anything. If you read my links and know anything about the MB, the organization has transitioned over the last 40 years to a respectable non-violent organization that is actually against radicals groups in Egypt. Your quote does not dispute this whatsoever.

    2) Andrew Brietbart is the best you can do as your Egyptian expert? Come on Brietbart has been proven over and over again as not a very credible source of information. His lies are well known. Have you even read the article you quote. It seems more like a joke. But, lets address your quote: there is no proof whatsoever that the Muslim Brotherhood was involved in the assination of Sadat. That is a straight out lie. Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman was not a member or involved with the MB. He was associated with Egyptian Islamic Jihad, which the MB has actually been fighting against for the last several decades. In addition, the Egyptians themselves said he was not responsible for the Sadat murder.

    “Although Abdel-Rahman was not convicted of conspiracy in the Sadat assassination, he was expelled from Egypt following his acquittal.”

    3) Your third quote from David Wood is your first somewhat credible analyst or author, although this guy has no specific knowledge of Egypt or the Muslim Brotherhood. He again tries to link the Muslim Brotherhood to Sadat’s murder in a very simple sentence, but that has never been proven. See my comment (2) above. However, if you read the article you quote the author admits several times that the MB is a moderate group.

    4) Tell Children The Truth website? That is credible. I quote a scholar from a respected U.S. university and an article in Foreign Affairs and that is what you quote as credible? That website is a joke and frankly racist. Their big story is to link the Nazis to Islam Jihad. Come on you can do better than that! Or maybe you can’t and this is where you get your information and strange views.

    5) Your final link is from another similar racist website with the fancy name “Militant Islam Monitor”. Here is their big quote in their “About” section: “The War on Terror is World War IV”. What a complete idiotic fear-mongering quote. These are not credible websites. Both of these websites do not even tell you who is behind the websites. That tells you everything you need to know. This website also tries to link the Nazis to muslims. Real tinfoil hat stuff.

    Why not give me some analysis from some credible sources? Maybe a credible academic, analyst, etc. Prove to me from a credible source that the MB is a terrorist sponsor, as the ever ignorant Ferd claims above. Your effort, although I will give you an “A” for effort, as we usually only get insults frp, you, is a bit of a joke.

  • +

    Armymom,

    At least you are trying to reply instead of your usual cheap juvenile insults.

    A couple of points. First you clearly did not read my very credible links to analysis on the Muslim Brotherhood from known experts on these issues.

    Did you even read your own quotes?

    Lets go through them one by one:

    1) your first quote; not sure who the source is. It is not a very scholarly piece and does not really say anything. If you read my links and know anything about the MB, the organization has transitioned over the last 40 years to a respectable non-violent organization that is actually against radicals groups in Egypt. Your quote does not dispute this whatsoever.

    2) Andrew Brietbart is the best you can do as your Egyptian expert? Come on Brietbart has been proven over and over again as not a very credible source of information. His lies are well known. Have you even read the article you quote. It seems more like a joke. But, lets address your quote: there is no proof whatsoever that the Muslim Brotherhood was involved in the assination of Sadat. That is a straight out lie. Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman was not a member or involved with the MB. He was associated with Egyptian Islamic Jihad, which the MB has actually been fighting against for the last several decades. In addition, the Egyptians themselves said he was not responsible for the Sadat murder.

    “Although Abdel-Rahman was not convicted of conspiracy in the Sadat assassination, he was expelled from Egypt following his acquittal.”

    3) Your third quote from David Wood is your first somewhat credible analyst or author, although this guy has no specific knowledge of Egypt or the Muslim Brotherhood. He again tries to link the Muslim Brotherhood to Sadat’s murder in a very simple sentence, but that has never been proven. See my comment (2) above. However, if you read the article you quote the author admits several times that the MB is a moderate group.

    4) Tell Children The Truth website? That is credible. I quote a scholar from a respected U.S. university and an article in Foreign Affairs and that is what you quote as credible? That website is a joke and frankly racist. Their big story is to link the Nazis to Islam Jihad. Come on you can do better than that! Or maybe you can’t and this is where you get your information and strange views.

    5) Your final link is from another similar racist website with the fancy name “Militant Islam Monitor”. Here is their big quote in their “About” section: “The War on Terror is World War IV”. What a complete idiotic fear-mongering quote. These are not credible websites. Both of these websites do not even tell you who is behind the websites. That tells you everything you need to know. This website also tries to link the Nazis to muslims. Real tinfoil hat stuff.

    Why not give me some analysis from some credible sources? Maybe a credible academic, analyst, etc. Prove to me from a credible source that the MB is a terrorist sponsor, as the ever ignorant Ferd claims above. Your effort, although I will give you an “A” for effort, as we usually only get insults frp, you, is a bit of a joke.

  • seattlegonz

    I wonder the same things RRRA. What the hell is going on and why doesn’t anyone give a frack?

  • nickoury

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  • HARP

    Nice to know the media are all fully engaged.

  • olivia1998

    The mandate of the MB is to take over the world so yes it will be a difficult day if the MB wins.  I can’t help but wonder would this be happening if they (I didn’t vote for him) won’t have elected Obama???????

  • nickoury

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    Don’t get your hopes up too high, but I just got this in an email from “truthout.org”-HA!.
     
    It is, sadly, not a joke.
     
    http://rootsaction.org/featured-actions/51-mr-president-apologize-to-egypts-peopleto-egypts-people

  • nickoury

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    Don’t get your hopes up too high, but I just got this in an email from “truthout.org”-HA!.
     
    It is, sadly, not a joke.
     
    http://rootsaction.org/featured-actions/51-mr-president-apologize-to-egypts-people

  • nickoury

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    Don’t get your hopes up too high, but I just got this in an email from “truthout.org”-HA!.
     
    It is, sadly, not a joke.
     
    http://rootsaction.org/featured-actions/51-mr-president-apologize-to-egypts-people

  • +

    Armymom,

    Can you please provide us the link to where the MB says “Jihad is our way” please? Can you prove that that is their official policy?

    If you knew anything about the MB, you would know for the last 40 years they have actually fought against radical violent extremist muslim groups.

    “The Muslim Brotherhood is not on the U.S. Foreign Terrorist Organizations list. It renounced violence in the 1970s and has no active militia.”

    “However, currently, as Robert Leiken and Steven Brooke point out in the March/April 2007 Foreign Affairs magazine, “jihadists loathe the Muslim Brotherhood … for rejecting global jihad and embracing democracy.” ”

    “the Muslim Brotherhood has been labeled by most current scholars of the Middle East as politically “moderate”, “politically centrist”, and “accommodationist” to Egypt’s political and governmental structures (Abed-Kotob, 1995, p. 321-322). Sana Abed-Kotob also tells us
    that of the current Islamist opposition groups that exist today “the more ‘radical’ or militant of these groups insist upon revolutionary change that is to be imposed on the masses and political system, whereas… the new Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt, call for gradual change that is to be undertaken from within the political system and with the enlistment of the Muslim masses” (p. 321).”
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/20916314/The-Political-Evolution-of-the-Muslim-Brotherhood-in-Egypt

  • nickoury

    Don’t get your hopes up too high, but I just got this in an email from “truthout.org”-HA!.  
       
    It is, sadly, not a joke.  
       
    http://rootsaction.org/featured-actions/51-mr-president-apologize-to-egypts-people

  • +

    Onofre,

    “the best way to eradicate Israel and kill every last Israeli.”

    Do you have any proof that anyone associated with the MB has said this or thinks your statement. Complete BS.

    You have no idea what you are talking about. Read some of the links I provide by credible sources that outlines exactly who the MB are and they are about. Educate yourself before you make such outlandish unsubstantiated pronouncements.

  • nickoury

    Bet you’d never guess that was the author.

  • +

    Amy,

    What exactly have you heard about the MB? Everything you say is exaggerated fear-mongering. Sure some in their organization have particularly harsh views on Israel. So what? You can find that in every single group in every single muslim country on the planet. Again so what? There is no real support in Egypt to get rid of the peace between Israel and Egypt. And that is certainly not a reason to fear-monger like you Necons do about change in Egypt.

  • nickoury

    This is so much fun to watch, like a dog chasing its tail!

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Yes, thank you, Armymom, for bringing this up.  It is very sad what has happened to the Coptic Christians there. And yes, it may very well get worse for them.

  • olivia1998

    I can see the resemblance Harp

  • olivia1998

    jj…….Saudi Arabia whips and stones women to death.  I have a huge problem with that.

  • olivia1998

    jj…….Saudi Arabia whips and stones women to death.  I have a huge problem with that.

  • olivia1998

    + watch out for those spots circling your head.  They maybe moving to fast for you.

  • Texas Playwright

    When in doubt, throw ‘em out.  MB, Islamofascists, terrorists, Sharia Law, anyone who (dis)honor kills a woman, illgal aliens from any country.  Enough is enough.  Either America will take the Great Britain appeasement route, which didn’t work so well in WWII, and let this evil that is much of Islam take over its laws, safety and freedoms, or America will step up and throw the bums out. 

    It’s soooo simple to me.  These many awful groups want to destroy our country, have said they will do it from within, ARE doing it from within, while millions here live in willful ignorance or a false sense of security, all while our elected officials make self-serving deals that betray our trust, our principles, our values and our vision.

    Throw the bums out.  On both sides of the pond.

  • Donna brazil nut

    Oh, I thought one of those monkeys was f+!

  • nickoury

    We are`watching the US being sold down the river. To paraphrase, “Fasten your seatbelts, it’s going to be a bumpy ride.”

  • oowawa

    Is that like girding your loins?

  • Eastan McNeal

    That woke me up, Texas.  You know that Throw Them Out was my mantra in 2010 and the only way to keep us from having to roll the stone (womens’ equality) back up the hill is to get rid of the elected critters at the top that keep snapping it back down again.

    Did you catch the MB supporter above that thought that it was ok, ON THIS SITE, to go along with the MB position that women should not be allowed to run for president?  I would have responded to that earlier but it has taken me over an hour to clean my computer screen.

  • susiepuma

    Keith Ellison is the first admitted Muslim elected to Congress – his district in Minneapolis is called Little Mogadishu – he is my state’s version of Charlie Rangel – will never be defeated – we just keep those Somali’s comin’ in & the Islamists are trying to take over schools, businesses, etc. – colleges are providing foot washers for them, special breaks during the work day so they can pray, special food rules, etc. – makes me so angry and the Libs/Progressives just lap it up – also did you know that they (these imports) are given SS money?  No wonder the fund is depleted – people who have never contributed a damm cent to the fund are getting benefits….

    Talking heads kept showing the clip of the fraud speaking at the Nat’l Prayer Breakfast today – skipped it the last two years but now he is trying to convince the American people that he really isn’t a Muslim but has his ‘Christian faith” – where the hell did he get it?  Rev Wright sure as hell isn’t a Christian – more of his empty suit tryon shit – just like he’s trying to be Reagan ‘cuz he read Reagan’s book during the Hawaiian Christmas vacation – remember he took some extra days – must’ve been trying to finish reading the book ……………

    He hates this country and is trying to take it down – I don’t understand what the hell Hillary is doing either or the rest of those liberal women/gays/etc. who are supporting this POS – ISLAM SUCKS doesn’t have a problem with stoning women, they hate gays (don’t understand this since they have a thing for young men – but what do I know) & have no problem killing them either, they hate Jews and plan to destroy Israel – so why Jews are raving about the fraud & his wonderfulness just continues to make me have a lot of WTF moments………………….

  • Eastan McNeal

    Oh, yes.  Spot on Rev Amy. 

  • driguana

    and so Obama goes on tv today and talks about his Christian faith and how much it means to him….unbelievable….the smoke and mirrors is nothing more than acrid smog and broken glass at this point….this man is seriously despicable….thanks for the great research Amy…

  • Cathy in Ks.

    Thanks Rev. Amy again for an excellent article.  I too wish Secretary of State Clinton would resign.  For a long time I was glad she was in the President’s cabinet because I thought she would be a voice of reason and sanity but now she seems to be caving in to what the boss wants – going against her own principles.  This is deeply disturbing.  I never supported or voted for Obama because of his inexperience and because of his very questionable associates.  In fact I voted and campaigned for McCain after Hillary dropped out or should we say the “nomination was stolen from her”.  I knew it would be irresponsible to stay at home.  The stakes were just too high.  After Obama won I prayed and hoped that I would be proven wrong.  Well I was proven “wrong” in one way.  Obama is much, much more worse than I imagined.  But there are all sorts of people crying from the rooftops about this.  Fox Cable News is watched by far more people than CNN and MSNBC combined and conservative talk radio dominates the radio talk shows.  More and more people also get their news from the internet.  We have a republican dominated House now so Obama’s going to have to be much more careful from now until 2012 because too many people are watching him with a very jaundiced eye.  Thanks again for bringing these very disturbing facts to our attention.  Like Greta said tonight about Egypt and what’s happening in the MidEast – if we’re not concerned, we need to be. because it affects all of us.   

  • nickoury

    Maybe if you were Bette Davis.

    And, you’d better be ready to apologize for that.

  • susiepuma

    RRRA – I still have lots of the stuff we dug up on that POS pretender ursurping our country – the bots absolutely refused to believe it – said it was all lies – he was ‘teh won’ – yeah right – amazing how well propaganda works……………………………..

  • nickoury

    You talkin’ ’bout F-?

  • seattlegonz

    + The Muslim Brotherhood does not allow women to be elected or promoted to leadership positions. This is why religioius organizations should not be leading states.

  • nickoury

    You talkin’ ’bout F-? I expect you to apologize for that.

  • Onofre’s arm

    From the “Duluth Herald”, Friday, March 10, 1933:

    “HITLER CABINET CHIEFS PROMISE SAFETY TO JEWS
    ———————————————————–
    Berlin, March 10.–(AP)–A threat of hard labor for thousands of Communist prisoners and a promise of legal safety for Jews were put forward today by the two members of Chancellor Hitler’s cabinet who belong to his own Nazi party.

    That hard labor in detention camps faced thousands of imprisoned Communists was intimated last night by Dr. Wilhelm Frick, interior minister, in an address at Frankfort-on-the-Main.

    He said Communists would be barred from political life until they became “useful members of the nation.”

    JEWS’ SAFETY ASSURED.

    Capt. Herman Goering assured the Central Union of Jewish Citizens that “the safety and life of Jewish citizens is legally guaranteed.”

    The Socialist reichstag member, Wilhelm Sollman, former minister of the interior in the cabinet of the late Ex-Chancellor Stresemann, was attacked and injured in Cologne by political opponents who forced entry into his apartment. Socialists were taken into custody there for personal protection.

    A Telegraghen Union News agency dispatch from Chemnitz said a Socialist publisher there was shot dead resisting Nazi storm troopers invading his newspaper office.”

    +, I have little doubt that if you were around in 1933 that you would have been as foolishly reassured of the benevolent attitude, described in the above news article, that the Nazis had toward the Jews, as you are now regarding the attitude of the MB. I don’t need to hear the obvious lies and evasions of any members of the MB to draw my opinion about their intentions. A decent knowledge of history, a good understanding of Islamic motives, and a pretty good internal lie detector, are all I need to convince me of the eventual bloodbath that will result if the MB gets the power they seek. You’re a fool and an ass if you believe anything from members of a religion that states that it’s acceptable, and even encouraged, to lie to infidels in furtherance of their cause. You’re the type of idiot that evil movements count on to allow them to flourish, and you’re the type of coward that usually hides in a hole until the shit storm they helped to create blows over, emerging only after the destruction has been done, armed with a number of exculpatory lies to explain your abysmal behavior.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thanks, SYD, and I agree – it is disturbing.  I just don’t get why the Left is so hellbent on ignoring the realities right in front of them.  What are they getting out of not accepting what kind of organization MB is, or Hamas, or how dangerous Sharia Law is, and how it impacts women?

    One thing I learned is that the Left gives a lot of lip service to women’s issues, but not a lot of substance.  The misogyny we saw pouring forth from the Obama camp on down to its followers made that crystal clear.  I finally took off the blinders, allowed myself to see the flags that had been raised, and opened my eyes to how they really treat women.  It wasn’t pretty.

    And it is these same people who now make excuses for the Muslim Brotherhood.  Read their credo – these are not mild mannered, middle of the road Muslims.  They want jihad, they want Sharia Law, and they will do what they can to make that happen.  How that can be excused by these folks beats the hell out of me…

  • oowawa

    Oh, I had to do some research.  I never in my long life of wasting time watching movies saw All About Eve:

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thanks, Brother Eastan – I appreciate that!  And great comment (cracked meup abt your computer screen).

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Excellent comment, Cathy – outstanding.  You said it, and very well.  Thank you!

  • nickoury

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    Dilemma trajectory Face it, Hilary has, unfortunately, become an opportunist. There really wasn’t much else left for her to do staying in the party.
     
    The disaster we’re now facing will probably take three or four years, maybe five, to crawl out of, similar to 1979. It will hopefully start to change round about January, 2013.
     
    Her resigning won’t change anything for now, only a major revelation or political scandal will alter things from their present destructive trajectory. Even that would be nationally time consuming, leaving foreign dilemmas unresolved.

  • nickoury

    Face it, Hilary has, unfortunately, become the usual political opportunist. There really wasn’t much else left for her to do, staying in the party.  
       
    The disaster we’re now facing will probably take three or four years, maybe five, to crawl out of, similar to 1979. It will hopefully start to change round about January, 2013.  
       
    Her resigning won’t change anything for now, only a major revelation or political scandal will alter things from their present destructive trajectory. Even that would be nationally time consuming, leaving foreign dilemmas unresolved.

  • SeriouslyStrongWoman

    RRRA, YOU ARE A JOUNALIST!!! I didn’t want the day to pass without paying you a compliment!! My day has been busy, feels like many fires needed put out and only I could solve the problems, LOL!  But, finally my day is done and I wanted to tell you once again you delivered a thought provoking post filled with many facts.  We see the world around us and think, that would never happen here, but in truth, we are only days, fews or months away from what we see on TV actually being in our towns and cities.  Greta is 100% correct..Like Cathy in Ks. said, if we’re not concerned, we need to be!! 

  • Docelder

    going against her own principles – That is a sort of an oxymoron. Either somebody has principles or they don’t. If someone did have principles they would follow them. The truth is pretty clear here. Hillary is a true politician. True politicians aren’t burdened by principle.

  • helenk

    I posted this link earlier in the week. I think it should be posted again here.

    People really need to know what they are dealing with.
    Remember that old song “The Snake”

    http://bigpeace.com/cbrim/2011/01/30/muslim-brotherhood-deception-they-say-different-things-in-english-and-arabic/

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

  • oowawa

    “The Snake”?  You mean this song?

  • nickoury

    I was going to provide that link, thanks for doing it.

    And I’m still waiting for that apology, this might help:

    http://rootsaction.org/featured-actions/51-mr-president-apologize-to-egypts-people

  • oowawa

    “The Snake”–You mean this song, helenk?

  • nickoury

    Being a political opportunist is not necessarily a bad thing. It helps you survive, implying you have a strong enough spine to eventually to fight future battles. I’m so certain Clinton has that stamina, or motivation, to pursue those fights again.

  • TeakWoodKite

    -” it sure seems like the more layers are pulled back, the more there are connections with Obama, “

    They go back to NYC and his time at Columbia. it is interesting what a child of Indonesia would identify with. Obamahas alot of MB bones in his closet.

    If the trurth were known about this, he would not have been elected dog catcher. Why do you think he sat in a church for 20 years that has relations with the Muslim Brotherhood in Chicago?

  • Onofre’s arm

    I LOVED “Northern Exposure”! I used to take my friends who were visiting from out of town up to Roslyn where it was filmed. My sister owns a cabin a few miles from there, on lake Cle Elum, and we often hang out in the “Brick”, that bar that was one of the focal points of the show. 

    Talking to the locals though, they weren’t too pleased that most of the catering and support jobs were supplied from Seattle sources, it’s best not to bring up the subject of the show to the more grumpy citizens, but many of them have managed to profit from souvenir sales and an endless parade of NE devotees. I think I still have all of the shows recorded on VHS, along with the “Twin Peaks” series, that was also filmed near there, and I often take my boys to the diner that had the world’s finest pies in the show.

  • beyond(required) words

    Egypt is the ‘talk of the Liberal latte shops” and it’s the “in thing” to discuss. They are only being good liberal lemmings regurgitating what the Liberal Press is blaring non-stop 24/7.

    If the ones in power wanted those protests in Iran for more rights to be blown up and supported in the media it would have been done so. Those people you refer to would have been flapping their gums about that just as much.

    No media coverage you say?? *Crickets*.

  • stodghie

    + is now known on here as – because that is all you get, nothing. what an nitwit!   ;)

  • stodghie

    -, donna’s age is none of your dxxx business!   *DONT_KNOW*

  • stodghie

    -, you are a waste of bandwidth! nada, zip, zero!

  • Docelder

    People keep saying Obama is Muslim… or that he is friends with the Muslims. I don’t think so. I think he is friends with whoever it suits him to be friends with. He is no more Muslim than he is Christian or Jewish. He worships himself if anything. He doesn’t have the humility to have religion.

  • nickoury

    Ah, Twin  Peaks.

    Fire, walk with me!

    Great show, I also taped it.  Didn’t know it was filmed near there, thanks for the info.

  • stodghie

    -, give it up! you are a pathetic joke whose only talent is copy/paste.

  • Madame deFarge

    My only concern is that Israel may be surrounded and backed into a corner again but without US support from our own Muslim Brotherhood President this time.  I have no doubt whatsoever that they would use nuclear weapons before they’d allow the Muslims to slaughter their people.  That should shake up nuclear relations with Pakistan and India as well.  I have been more afraid these nut cases would get ahold of Pakistan’s arsenal than what’s happening in Egypt.  Someone is going to have to take them out.  They are maniacs.

  • Madame deFarge

    Are you an Arab Muslim?  Palestinean?  I can understand if you grew up brainwashed…

  • TeakWoodKite

    Worms , just worms Rev. Amy. Very well done. You recall Rezko and scamming the boxer Ali…look at the Auchi, whom, Obama toasted twice. And did biz with in that it is very difficult to get a “get out jail free” card from the brig in the green zone for one Iraqi power station guy…..who settles in Chicago, even though he is still wanted by Iraqi authorities.

    I digress. Obama is a Muslim. Next. He lies like a prayer rug. 

  • Justine

    I find it deplorable, driguana, that even at a prayer breakfast, Obummer has to go on and on (blah, blah, blah) about him.  I thought it was supposed to be a prayer breakfast, not another Obummer campaign speech. 
    .

  • EllenD

    also did you know that they (these imports) are given SS money?

    How do they do that?

  • Madame deFarge

    One of my favorite movies…love, greed, betrayal, adultry, it has it all.  Watching Eve play the innocent all the while plotting and back-stabbing the sophisticated Margot…who shoulda known better…was a little like seeing the main stream Dems being taken over by the Obamacrats.  They still appear to not know what hit them.

  • Madame deFarge

    And isn’t he just too too transparent. 

  • EllenD

    I still have an Israeli bond I bought during the 6 Day War.
    And that’s before I married my (second) husband.

  • AbigailAdams

    The Brick was the only place I’ve ever won serious money ($250.) on a pull tab.  Geoff C. and I have played pool there a couple times.  I never watched the show, though. 

  • TeakWoodKite

    +, you are stupid idiot prick if you don’t even know the history of the Muslim Brotherhood, as if it is is some peace organization like the red cross.

    Grow the fuck up and understand they, the Muslim Brotherhood want you dead, unless you are part of the Ulma.

    Please take your bullshit somewhere else. It is offensive to see anyone defend these murders as if they are decent examples of humanity.

    How is that juvenile civility?

  • AbigailAdams

    Does anybody still wonder why the tea party is so hated by the extreme leftists and their toady media?  The tea party is the only thing standing against serious Islamist infiltration in the U.S.  That’s why the constitution and a constitutionally-run REPUBLIC (not democracy, as some have used interchangeably) is their paramount creed.  I really do believe this president knows exactly what he is doing.

    Amy, an OUTSTANDING article!  Obama needs to be impeached. 

  • TeakWoodKite

    I was wondering when it would come up, helenk.

    Do they have ACORN offices in Cairo yet?

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Probably the same way they receive FREE housing and get the place furnished too!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Probably the same way they receive FREE housing and get the place furnished too!

  • EllenD

    establishing resource centers for supporting the rule of law,

    He doesn’t say WHAT rule of law. British? Sharia?

  • TeakWoodKite

    Link? You want a link to their home page? Jackass.

  • EllenD

    Seattlegonz the very term “Brotherhood” shrieks exclusion. What’s wrong with people? I think they might notice if we started a “White People’s Party”.

  • HARP

    Mubarak has a big decision to make today.

  • TeakWoodKite

    + you are an ignorant ass who  so willing ignores history for the sake of self delusion and a false sense of thump sucking security.

    Good luck with that.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Bullshit.

  • West Virginia

    nic.  Or.. Walk This Way?

  • West Virginia

    Darkness must go down the river

  • West Virginia

    LET’S DO THE KOOL AIDE AGAIN!

  • TC

    Minus,
    The link to the motto you requested, from the Muslim Brotherhood’s official English website:
    http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=5617

    Scroll down about 3/4 of the way.

    Or do the same here: http://web.archive.org/web/20080611175514/http://www.ummah.net/ikhwan/

    The objective of the Muslim Brotherhood is to overthrow governments and put themselves in charge, followed by the establishment of a new Khilafa, followed by global domination:
    1- Building the Muslim individual: brother or sister with a strong body, high manners, cultured thought, ability to earn, strong faith, correct worship, conscious of time, of benefit to others, organized, and self-struggling character [3]. 2- Building the Muslim family: choosing a good wife (husband), educating children Islamicaly, and inviting other families. 3- Building the Muslim society (thru building individuals and families) and addressing the problems of the society realistically. 4- Building the Muslim state. 5- Building the Khilafa (basically a shape of unity between the Islamic states). 6- Mastering the world with Islam.

  • helenk

    Yes that is the one

    Thank you

  • West Virginia

    Oh, heck.  One more.

  • Madame deFarge

    New Representative Allan West had some choice things to say about Ellison. From Weazel Zippers…he said that Ellison is “the antithesis of the principles upon which this country was established”.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Thanks Teak for these pictures. I’m still a little surprised that people like + don’t realize that the Nazis were BFF’s with Muslim leaders. 

    Morons like + feed the efforts of groups like the MB out of shear ignorance, and the shame of it all is that nitwits like + can afford to be fools because it is rarely their ass on the line, they’re just spectators. And of course they’re the first to squeal that they hadn’t a clue that the ashes falling on their village were from the ovens of the concentration camp on the other side of the hill, golly gee, they merely despised Jews, but they didn’t necessarily want them tortured and incinerated. 

    What’s truly frightening is the prevailing ignorance of westerners who naively think that Muslims only hate Israelis. If or when the Muslim world manages to destroy the Jews, anyone else who isn’t a devout Muslim will be the next on the list, and will need to be disposed of. 

    The way that Islam has set the stage, there can only be two eventual outcomes on this planet. Either the entire world converts to Islam, or the world that isn’t yet Islamic destroys Islam at it’s heart. The primary nature of Islam allows for no compromise on the matter, and the non-Islamic world had better wake up quickly to this reality.

  • Onofre’s arm

    TC, what you’ve supplied about the MB motives and objectives could easily have been the contents of a Nazi pamphlet. Replace Muslim with Aryan, and you’ll see what I mean. 

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Just a reminder!!!

  • Marc Antony

    The style of + is very eerie. The cool deatched style with a ready link to MB articles  artcles. These articles are of a similar emotional range.

    Pure unadulterated propaganda.

    I can accept an agnostic view -or even sitting on the fence -or even sitting it out but + actually promotes the MB.

    RRB – For my part I would like to remind everyone of The Islamists in Algeria . Whoa whole towns were butchered & The Algerians had to do a Mubarek to get on top.

    The way to deal with +& such is to be very cool & detached.These people se emotion as a weakness. 

    The cool luke response is to buy yourselves a gun & join the local firing range.

    Shoot straight  & say little.

  • JB in VA

    Docelder, self-worship is exactly what Islam inculcates in all males.

    When 7-year-old boys can order their mothers and older sisters about with impunity (and I have seen this many times), when boys are ALWAYS favored over female family members when it comes to scarce resources (food, water, education, etc.), when one’s religious teachings and practices from earliest childhood dehumanize everyone who isn’t a heterosexual male Muslim, it tends to warp one’s sense of self-importance.

    It is not surprising that among obama’s entire inner circle, there is only one woman, Valerie Jarrett, whose entire purpose in life apparently is to lavish praise on him and try to convince others how perfect he is.  

  • JB in VA

    I hope you’re right, nickoury, about Hillary fighting future battles. She seems to have lost this one. 

    She and Gates are the grown-ups in the room, but it appears they’ve been overruled by the pro-Islam forces. I think she has made it clear that she understands the Muslim Brotherhood or any pro-Islamist state will be devastating not just for women, but for any hope of ANY democratic principles surviving. 

    RRRA – thank you for this very important, very effective post. I’m sure Hillary personally hasn’t gone over to the dark side, but I have to wonder when and where she will draw the line and stop enabling and giving cover to this administration’s destructive, anti-feminist, anti-human agenda. 

  • wodiej patriotdawg

    Obama is revealing more and more about his muslim ties and allegiance.

    As for HC, her stance on the Muslim Brotherhood is not difficult to understand when you acknowledge her apparent willingness to throw women under the bus to prop up a male abuser for the sake of power.  Very unfortunate.

  • John House

    Great article as always, Rev Amy. 

    I haven’t been here for a while–not really since the election in ’08–but I came here to see what was going on re: Egypt because I really can’t rely on good commentary from the MSM.  Again, good commentary, but you ask how Clinton can do this?

    Because it was her fate to follow this asshat Obama on whatever he wanted after the primaries.  It all goes back to the primaries and the election–Clinton was blindsided and railroaded by this POS.  In his mind, she “should feel lucky” to even BE his Secretary of State, and now she is compromising every single one of her long-held values to be active in his administration, lest she be seen as a “bitter b*tch who lost to Obama”–a narrative that was carefully crafted by the a-holes who GOT Obama into office.  I don’t think she really feels like she has any choice, and that saddens me.  Bill, at this point, is just sailing along with the game, changing Obama’s diapers whenever he needs to (I LOLed when he commanded the podium away from the dumb bastard/the reporters were treating Bill like HE was still prez…it was awesome to watch).

    Just talking about it still sickens me…I could not talk politics at all after I saw what happened at the DNC (and realized that my vote for her wasn’t going to count at all, seeing that California abstained…probably after they realized that the Obamatrons were unleashing their own jihad on anyone who dared go against Obama).  I still can rarely talk politics because the whole thing is just…sickening.

  • John House

    You’re too right.  The nomination was actually stolen from US, though, those who voted FOR her, and the Obamatrons and their Dear Leader created a narrative and an atmosphere that would’ve made her look like crap if she had challenged the nomination at the DNC.  I wish she had been just a little stronger–instead of handing the big fat screaming baby the lollipop.  It was like she was bullied–no, wait, she WAS bullied.  She was bullied by those around her to “give it up” to Obama, even though that’s NOT what we wanted;  we wanted her to fight for it.  She COULD’VE fought for it too, the way Kennedy tried to fight against Carter…Hell, SHE HAD MUCH MORE OF A CASE against Obama than Kennedy did Carter! 

    But no.  My state didn’t even put their votes in because of the hideousness of how it was turning out at the convention.  My vote for her was for nothing.  Disgusting.

    What I want to know is…has anyone written a book about this yet?  The primaries and the election fraud and complete injustice done to Hillary (and Bill, for that matter)?  If not, WHY not???

  • SeriouslyStrongWoman

    John House,
    jbjd has done intense work on the legal issues of the DNC fraud, she is an attorney, but when all that happen on May 31, she went to the law books for each state to break down binded delegates and state delegates, look in the archieves for her 5 part post on here for NOQUARTER.  You will be amazed at the fraud, the state fraud on every level.  Here is a link for her blog…hope this helps, it’s as close to a book I have seen.  Hope this helps!

    http://jbjd.org/

    jbjd on REVOLUTION

    All all 5 (five) appearances are now available on podcast!

  • getfitnow

    Perhaps they rationalize like Whoopi  rape–it’s not Sharia Sharia, doncha know.

  • getfitnow

    Perhaps they rationalize like Whoopi re:  rape–it’s not Sharia Sharia, doncha know.

  • DAVE

    I hope the rest of the world is awakening to just how much they can count on this administration of Obama and his left wing radical henchmen.

  • getfitnow

    I wonder what happened to the video tape the L.A. Times suppressed?

  • elizabethrc

    What will it take to get the funds to these sand fleas stopped?  Certainly, not writing to Ellison.  Whom do we contact?  How about heavy duty media advertising of the facts to the general public, who, if they are like most in this country, are oblivious to what is going on?

  • +

    Seattlegonz,

    Limited woman leadership is very similar to the Catholic church and I do not see any real evangelical woman leaders in the U.S.

    I agree it is not the best for religious parties to be involved in politics. That is why in Egypt religious groups are actually officially banded from being involved in politics. The Muslim Brotherhood for example is not allowed to hold elected seats. No different than in the U.S. were many of our politicians are evangelicals, like Palin, but, run under the GOP. In fact, the U.S. is one of the most religious countries on the planet and has some of the largest participation by religious groups in politics.

    However, in many countries religious people and groups can participate in elections and politics. That should be there choice. However, that is not an argument to write-off the entire Muslim Brotherhood as some evil group as Amy is trying to do above and then try and somehow link the group in a negative way to Obama so she can take a political cheap shot.

  • +

    TeakwoodKite,

    Are you sure you have any idea what the Muslim Brotherhood actually is? Or are you just shooting from the hip like Amy does above?

    The Muslim Brother has a very long history in Egypt. They have actually stood against radical islamic groups and preach a moderate voice. They are the types of groups that should be promoted as they fight against radical islam.

  • kenoshamarge

    I think what it says about our country Olivia 1998 is that we do not have an honest, competent, and unbiased media. When reporting is done from an ideological viewpoint it becomes simple propaganda and is no longer the news.

    We have been betrayed by our media for years as they became more and more opinion orientated and less and less newsworthy.

    Most great nations fall not because of attacks from without but from rot within. We should heed that fact as those we expect to protect our country and our way of life lean ever further towards our enemies and those who vow to destroy us. We have been infiltrated and the fifth columnists control the message. (Mostly which is why the liberals try so desperately to destroy FOX and talk radio.)

    I am really very uncomfortable in thie tin foil hat but when facts stare you in the face it’s time to don the headgear.

  • getfitnow

    ..or NBP offices?

  • getfitnow

    ..or the NBP’s? Down with the cause?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYKugGuQkZ0&feature=related

  • kenoshamarge

    RRRA maybe some people are starting to wake up to the fact that we are all Americans and that when it comes to threats from without we must stand together.When we stand together as Americans, not Democrats or Republicans those that threaten our country from within, like Soros, are treated as they deserve.

    That would be putting them in a bag and setting them out to the curb with the rest of the trash.

  • jrterrier

    charlie rose interviewed henry kissinger and tom friedman last night and, whether you agreed or not, at least you got analysis rather than the teenage unexamined adulation that is being dished by the MSN.  i must say though that CNN is doing better than usual in their reporting. 

  • NOOGAN!!

    Helenk you have NAILED IT! :)   Too Good! It’s perfect for the situation. 

    Must Read article: The Story of the Egyptian Revolution [hint: this will not be pretty]. 

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/the_story_of_the_egyptian_revo.html

  • +

    What does this have to do with the Muslim Brotherhood?

  • jrterrier

    By the way, I am not persuaded on the Obama-the-Muslim sympathizer meme.  I just think that this crisis is showing his inexperience and lack of historical perspective.  his response is not better than the MSM. 

    no matter what the political background, from kissinger (nixon) to Brzezinski (carter), those with a little better handle on the situation are suggesting that dictating to Mubarak that he needs to step down yesterday, is just not very smart.    

  • +

    Again you repeat your same BS. The Muslim Brotherhod works within democracy.

    “  Read their credo – these are not mild mannered, middle of the road Muslims.  They want jihad, they want Sharia Law, and they will do what they can to make that happen.  ”

    Again prove your statements. Amy, you have a habit of making these extreme statements to some how  tar Obama and then you never actually prove what you are saying. You always write on topics that you have no idea about what you are talking about.

    I am not even sure what you point it. Even if you believe all your BS and fear-mongering about the MB, their popularity is not widespread in Egypt. They have no chance in forming an government. Their role is no different than say the Christian Coalition in the U.S.

  • kenoshamarge

    OA said:

    “What’s truly frightening is the prevailing ignorance of westerners who naively think that Muslims only hate Israelis. ”

    OA please excuse my ignorance but why would it be all right with anyone if they only hated Israelis? Wouldn’t any thinking person be wary of such blind, unrelenting hatred given where it has led before?

  • +

    armymom,

    I am not sure what your first link has to do with the MB. The MB has a track record of fighting against radical groups that may perscute other religions.

    Your second link is to a website run by Robert Spencer. A know racist and bigot. That guy is a complete nut and has no credibility. Great he writes a factless opinion piece (kind of like Amy’s piece above) based on fear-mongering and speculation.

    Again, I am not sure what your third link has to do with the MB.

  • kenoshamarge

    I don’t think a “political opportunist” needs a strong spine as much as a strong stomach.

    If Hillary Clinton goes along with this b.s. then all her words about women’s rights being the same as equal rights means nothing.

    If it would someone other than Hillary Clinton would so many excuses be made?

    I voted for her too. I would never do so again. She became a member of an administration I loathe. She works for and is at the beck and call of a POS I loathe. How in hell could I possible still support her? I just don’t get it. I really don’t.

  • jrterrier

    the unemployment numbers make no sense.  someone must be cooking the books.  the MSN is reporting a drop of the rate to 9% from 9.4% even though we only gained 36,000 jobs last month (a number that is too low to justify a drop in the unemployment rate).  is the politburo at work? 

  • +

    Teak & Onofre,

    Very exciting pictures. Can you provide a credible link please to where you got them? And what is your point? I am not sure with what they pictures have to do with the MB and what is happening in Egypt today?

    Do you guys even know the history of the Nazis and the Muslim world and what even went one during those years?

    Your statements are typical fear-mongering bigoted ignorance. There are 1.5 billion muslims. 99% are moderate and largely secular. Egypt is a very moderate and secular country. It is at peace with Israel and is the best friend of America. People in Egypt today want to become more like America and not less like America. They want more freedoms and liberty. They do not want to become a religious state. That is why they are on the streets today.

  • felizarte

    What I am afraid of:  If Mubarack steps down as Obama has suggested, an extended period of chaos and violence will continue as a power struggle goes on; then aggression against Israel and the U.S. gets drawn into the conflict, requiring military participation and further draining American resources and lives.  And if Obama’s sympathies lie with the Muslims, then America is really toast while the Chinese and others watch America wither on the vine.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Nickoury, in the Soros artricle, did you see that he said he had foundations all set up ready to go to help the people of Egypt?  That hit me this morning: My foundations are prepared to contribute what they can. In practice, that means establishing resource centers for supporting the rule of law, constitutional reform, fighting corruption and strengthening democratic institutions in those countries that request help in establishing them, while staying out of those countries where such efforts are not welcome.

    Uh huh.  Interesting, no?

  • cathnealon

    I often think of that tape-the LA Times admitted in 2008 that it existed, tried to deflect interest by posting an edited trnscript-with the way the One craves having his tilted chin out in public, it can’t be too flattering if they have taken such pains to squelch it. Oh, I forget, they’ve done that with almost everything in the fake’s past. With America on the brink under BHO you would think some brave soul would come forward who might have a copy-we need to impeach Obama -the events of the past few weeks including Arizona do not bode well for this country.

    When this administration, his marxist maoist czrs are ousted the media should be tried for high treason-the ones that hid al this stuff and called all of us racists and extremists .

  • +

    TC,

    I will give you an “A” for effort. At least you try and give a response rather than the typical juvenile insults on NQ.

    Did you even read the links your provide?

    Your first link is interesting for two reasons:

    1) you link to an MB article that is actually expressing concerns about certain elements of the organization being influenced by radical Saudis. It is an article that very much preached a moderate tone and actually preachs a “counter terrorism” effort. Direcly quoting from where you have a problem:

    Sadly, the organization’s current theme has been radicalized by Egyptian Ikhwan contact with Saudi radicals and is expressed in the last two of the five key phrases of the organization’s pledge:
    * Allah is our objective.
    * The messenger is our leader.
    * Quran is our law.
    * Dying in the way of God is our highest hope.
    * Jihad is our way. (17)
    This was never part of Al-Banna’s message. The counterterrorism challenge will be to foster the original message of working toward peaceful change as well as encouraging and acknowledging the social service provided to poor Egyptians. Integrating the elements that work with the government and its political system should be part of an aggressive counterterrorism strategy.

    So I am not sure what your point is. This is an article by MB that actually supports the claim that the MB is moderate group that fights against terrorism.

    Second interesting point about your link are all the recent statements by the MB that are listed at the top of the link:

    “MB calls for reform and respected constitutional rights and do not seek power

    “UN human rights chief calls for transparent and impartial investigation into recent violence in Egypt”

    “MB responds to Iran’s Islamic Leader Mr Khomeni : The MB regards the revolution as the Egyptian People’s Revolution not an Islamic Revolution asserting that the Egyptian People’s Revolution includes Muslims, Christians, from all sects and political”

    “MB Chairman: We will engage in dialogue with anyone once Mubarak leaves”

    “MB demands that regime is overthrown and calls for the formation of a national unity government for all the factions”

    Boy, those sound like the statements of a radical islamic terrorist group. In fact, your first link actually proves the MB is a moderate non-violent group that fights against radical islamic groups.

    Your second link is also a bit strange:

    First of all it does not look like an official anything from the MB. It looks like some kind of cheap webpage from who know where? It looks like some kind of third party trying to describe the MB. Your quote above from this dubious webpage is completely the opposite to everything you read from the actual MB and from independent scholars who write on the organization.

    “The objective of the Muslim Brotherhood is to overthrow governments and put themselves in charge, followed by the establishment of a new Khilafa, followed by global domination”

    Is this your interpretation? Sounds like it. By the way this sounds like like Evangelicals in America.

    I think the disclaimer at the bottom or you second link says it all:

    “The maintainer of this page is not a member of Al-Ikhwan patry and does not approve or agree with everything they say.”

  • Georgia

    “they hate Jews and plan to destroy Israel – so why Jews are raving about the fraud & his wonderfulness just continues to make me have a lot of WTF moments………………….”

    Yes Yes Yes!!!!! I simply DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS!  Can anyone one explain this…… please…. seriously………… I’m not a dolt, but I can NOT FOR THE LIFE OF ME understand tis……. please anyone……….

  • cathnealon

    Soros has bee to the White House at least a dozen times in the past two years – with this WaPo piece I guess he’s feelin the love. His bought and paid for community organizer pulled it off – “foundations are prepared”-this is so evil-the Muslim Brotherhood hs probbly already received millions

  • HARP

    300,000 gave up looking for work. In Government math, if everyone gave up looking for work, we would have the unemployment rate at 0%.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Remember how mad we were when Bush wanted “regime change” in Iraq?  Oh, we were (are still) screaming abt how wrong that was, no matter how despotic Hussein was (at least he kept the 3 warring factions in tension).

    Now that OBAMA wants regime change for an ALLY of ours, ne  helping to stabilize the ME, and keep peace in Israel, the SAME people are ALL FOR IT.  Please explain that to me.

  • armymom

    In your dreams. Are you a member of the muslim brotherhood and therefore feel the need to lie about your organization?

  • armymom

    Are you kidding me? Seriously you put a disclaimer as though it is the end all? OMG! I kinda of thought you were sorta intelligent, I take it all back.

  • olivia1998

    Obama, Code Pink, SEIU all Obama’s BF.  Anyone who has dealt with unions knows one of their tactics is to infiltrate the other side and start  riots.  That’s how they work.  Not saying just wondering.

  • armymom

    Ignorant troll, I was responding to the other troll known as jj. We are discussing the Coptic Christians and the systematic extermination of them by Jihadists. You know, the shitface, cowards of the world.

  • armymom

    Ignore the Christian Coalition all you want, in fact I hope you do. However, our POS CIC isn’t as he’s still trying to convince them that he’s “one of them”. The convenient lying of the Islamic “religion” of “peace”. Now that’s a play on words….hahahahaha

  • HARP

    Hey Barry!!!!  How is that Egyptian thingy working out for ya.

    Egyptians now chanting: “Obama must step down!”

  • olivia1998

    thank you Harp.   Now I can go to work with a smile on my face. Karma is a b*tch :-D

  • AbigailAdams

    We often comment here, expressing our incredulity over how obama’s supporters could believe the nonsense coming out of the LSM and how they refuse to believe the facts of his connections to various groups who are inimical to the U.S. and western society.  It’s easy to get caught up in thinking that others should be able to see it as clearly as I do.  But they do see everything just as clearly, but differently.  It’s when I realize the education they received, the facts of post-modern relativism in which there are no moral bases upon which to anchor decisions, the absence of any meaningful education in history–another anchor of thought, gone, that I am forcefully reminded (again) that this is what they want.  

    What is missing is their articulate statement of what they want.  They don’t make positive statements of their support of these changes, but rather their comments come in the form of denigrating their opposition.  The only honest protesters I’ve seen, really, were all those people who showed up in D.C. for the One Nation rally back in October.  That’s where we saw all the signs supporting Marxist socialism.  And it’s been this way all the while — since the earliest days of obama’s run for office, and for the decades before that by the Progressive movement.  As long as their message takes this form, we are left fighting a will-o-the-wisp enemy. 

  • AbigailAdams

    If the reports are true, it’s just awful what journalists have suffered in Egypt.  It does make me hope, though, that on-air personalities like Anderson Cooper undergo an epiphany about the nature of the people he and others have romanticized from their high-tech ivory towers of “news reporting.”  Perhaps he thought they would be welcome as brothers in the cause by the radicals in Egypt.  Maybe he thought it would be just like watching the ball drop in Times Square. 

  • yttik

    Okay, this made me laugh:

    After being punched in the head 10 times, the anchor tops Fox News Channel and MSNBC in demo numbers.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/anderson-cooper-egypt-attack-propels-96437

    I guess the way to increase your ratings is to get punched a few times. We should recommend it to some of our politicians. Congress especially, could really use a boost above 20%.

  • armymom

    Can’t explain it other than their just hypocrites. It’s like a game to them. D’s vs  R’s and it all depends on who has the “ball” now. It’s truly amazing to watch the same people who wanted Bush tried in court, now promote Obama asking for regime change as well and destablizing the ME even more.

  • oowawa

    Whatcha gonna believe, your own eyes or the government statistics cooked up to make Thee One look good?

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    I agree – the numbers don’t add up.  I think HARP nailed it!

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Excellent point, AA.  And yes, it is terrible what is happening to the journalists there.  Hopefully, that will cease and quickly.

    But great point abt the romanticization of who the protesters are.  There have been so many assumptions made, with very little evidence, like who “the people” are (read- the GOOD protesters) and who the “thugs” are (read – those who do not support mob rule).  Interesting dichotomy, but it would be NICE if the reporters actually got some info instead of passing along guesses as facts.

  • wbboei

    Flash: Obama to face reporters’ questions on Egypt crisis

    ————————————————Q-1: Ann Compton: do you find that being black makes your job as president more difficult. (Yup, she asked that one 2 yrs ago)
    Q-2: Jake Tapper: the American Public admires the job you are doing Mr. President. Merry Christmas. (Was that a question).
    etc.
    The questions they will never ask:
    Q-4: Truth Seeker: kindly list for us the specific steps you, your campaign and now your regime have taken from the beginning up to now to foment this revolt. Please identify names, dates and actions. Take your time.
    Q-5: Truth Seeker: Murbarak has been an American ally in the middle east, true? Yet you have taken concrete steps to depose him, either directly or indirectly? Would other allies be wrong to say there but for the grace of god goeth I? And if so, then why should they trust you not to do the same thing to them?
    Q-6: Truth Seeker: is it the goal of American Foreign Policy to foment a uprising, totally misread the response of the party in power, make conflicting statements to the opposing parties (there he goes, campaigning again), and end up with both sides distrusting you?
    Q-7: Truth Seeker: I note with passing interest the op ed piece of George Soros supporting this rebellion. Is that the same George Soros who has fomented similar colors revolutions around the world? The one who calls the former Soviet Empire the Soros Empire? The former Nazi collaborator? The man who crashed the British pound? The man who controls the democratic party and manipulates our political system to his own perverse ends? The man who who picked you, funded you and helped plan your campaign? The man whose Open Society Agenda you followed in lock step during your first two years in office? That George Soros? Tell me sir: do you ever tire of being the sock puppet for Soros, Immelt and Golden Sacks, or have you no honor?

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Welcome back, John – good to *see* you here again (and thanks for the lovely compliment).

    Great comment – very well said.  And it sickens me to think or talk abt it still, too.  I still cannot believe this was able to happen in this country, and by the Democrats.  Wow, what an eye opener…Thanks, John!

  • armymom

    It’s a “bit of a joke”. That’s only because you refuse to see what’s right in front of you. I won’t be responding to you anymore because quite frankly, you’re not worth it. Like I said, you’re like concrete, all mixed up and permantely set but now with a few cracks. If you’re too blind to see how Islam treat their women as chattle, to throw away on a whim should they not toe the men’s idea of what THEY think a woman should be because of Mohuumed, then there’s no help for you. I have to say that you’re pretty “involved” in trying to change public opinion of the MB. I believe you are in co hoots with them or are one of them. If so, may God have mercy on your soul because what you’re involved in is pure evil.

  • oowawa

    Karl Denninger: Employment Report: It sucks!

    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=179152

  • Steve_in_KC

    RRRA: “while he was a candidate, and wet behind the ears senator,”

    As I recall, he used the term “(people say I’m) green behind the ears” in one of his debates with McCain.  I fell on the floor laughing!

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Now they are saying it is more like 16.1% unemployment, that the 9% figure is reflective of people rotating off Unemployment benefits.

  • Murray

    Another antithesis – here in Indiana, we have the entrenched Andre Carson, Obama’s Muslim sock puppet. >:o

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Yes, yes, yes, Truth Seeker – fantastic questions.  Spot on!!

    And ones none of our “press” will ask…

  • trixta

    Y[Yawn!]  Go away now,  +.

  • Katmoon

    “I’m not too big on religion and not very fond of politics or economics either…and why should I be, they are the man-created trinity of terrors that ravages the earth and decieves those I care about.What mental turmoil and anxiety does any human face that is not related to one of those three?”    …Jesus speaking with Mack in The Shack.

    Simple observation about Egypt, who (government/religion/country)stands the most to gain from the turmoil, politically, religiously and economically? Are there three different groups working behind the scenes or working together-or one power pretending to be three?

  • Onofre’s arm

    “OA please excuse my ignorance but why would it be all right with anyoneif they only hated Israelis?”

    KM, where the hell did I EVER write that it’s all right if they only hated Israelis?

    “Wouldn’t any thinking person be wary of such blind, unrelenting hatred given where it has led before?”

    Yes KM, any thinking person would be painfully aware that blind hatred leads to major problems, try telling this to +, he’s the one who is being willfully ignorant about Islamic rage, not me!

  • HC123

    I just dont think it matters what we do or say at this juncture. We needed to be working on “this crap” (you know the crap funded by Iran) behind the scenes but we were too busy worrying about being politically correct and thinking about CO2 and hope and change and whatever was in the mind of Bush2.

    The only thing that kept stability in the ME was maintainting the power balance. Thats it. These are not people who are going to convene a constitutional convention, as Larry rightly said.

    Since Doha and Cairo the behaviour of the US has been bizarre and not at all in its own self interest. 

    There is ONE actual democracy in the middle east, lsrael, like it or not.

    Apparently we missed that fact along the way as we stood around picking our noses while Turkey and Egypt slid into Islamic theocracies. Lebanon is run by Hezbollah. Syria is a nightmare. Jordan has to be terrified, no matter how pretty his wife is that king is not going to weather a rough storm. He is not his father.

    Hillary will do Obama’s bidding, whatever that is - hire NASA to teach Arabs about space, thats the ticket! She isn’t going rogue to speak up for women in Egypt (or under Sharia) in any meaningful way.

  • Murray

    FrenchNail – also, Rev. Wright’s Phd is in Islamic Studies.

  • EllenD

    Ibelieve Larry suggested we should wait and see and not jump im  with our support to the protesters.

  • armymom

    I don’t see the Catholic Church blowing themselves up so that they can get their 72 virgins either. Next.

  • Guest

    Vocal minorities often do the dirty work for the larger populace which is less interested, otherwise occupied or scared. Clearly there were other factors going on in the decision of the government to stand down, but it would be more honest if the news reported what was actually going on more broadly…

  • FrenchNail

    Murray,

    Did not know that. Thanks for the info. Another irrefutable circumstancial evidence against Obama being a Christian.

  • +

    Armymom,

    And I am reply to your comments/link which say that the perscution of the Coptic Christians will incerase if the MB takes power, which is far from clear and certain. In fact, the MB has worked against extremist muslim groups and has no problem with a secular country.

  • +

    Armymom,

    There is a lot more to my arguments above than the disclaimer, but the disclaimer does disprove your BS that you say that MB website says the main goal is Jihad, whatever that is suppose to mean, given that you quote a website that is not even an official MB website, as stated in the disclaimer.

  • +

    Armymom,  
     
    There is a lot more to my arguments above than the disclaimer However, the disclaimer does disprove TC’s trying to support your BS claim that the MB website says the main goal is Jihad, whatever that is suppose to mean, given that TC quotes a website in his proof that is not even an official MB website as he claims it to be and as stated in the disclaimer.

  • +

    Amy,

    Once again your logic makes no sense.

    So you are now equating the U.S. military premtively invading a soveign country spending a couple of trillion dollars, killing 100,000s of Iraqis and thousands of Americans, blowing up the U.S. deficit with the Obama adminstration urging a unpopular leader to leave, hopefully averting a high cost on the Egyptian people in blood and treasure.

    What kind of BS false equivalency is that?

    You give Glenn Beck a run for his money.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Onofre’s Arm, the ignorance of the “+” and his ilk are the dangerous form of ignorance.

    If pictures can’t provide the proof that if Hitler meeting with Husayni, instead of shipping him off to the chambers….what else can be said?
    If reading the material of Muslim Brotherhood own web pages and the works of Sayyad Qutb doesn’t provide enough to inform, then humans such as + are not going to understand.

  • getfitnow

    Ed does a good job explaining this, I think/
    http://hotair.com/archives/2011/02/04/unemployment-rate-goes-to/

  • TeakWoodKite

    + you are truley blind to the dynamics of what is occuring before your own eyes.

    Your statements are typical fear-mongering bigoted ignorance.

    You find these pictures I posted “exciting” ? WTF? Your sick. get help.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Husayni was an SS recruiter, and there were a number of Nazi sympathizers in leadership roles throughout the Arab/Islamic world, I think they should be called “Sand Nazis”. Currently, the best descriptive of radical Muslims is “Islamofascist”, and couldn’t care less if they don’t like it.

    + is NQ’s version of ‘Baghdad Bob’, he’ll rabidly defend his ridiculous lies to the bitter end. Nobody could possibly be stupid enough to believe his bullshit, except perhaps donjo, so we should just ignore it as insulting propaganda. Or, laugh derisively at it!  :-D

  • Onofre’s arm

    Teak, Husayni was an SS recruiter:

    “The Muslim Mufti was paid “an absolute fortune” of 50,000 marks a month (when a German field marshal was making 25,000 marks a year). According the the American report, al-Husayni energetically recruited Muslims for the SS, the Nazi Party’s elite military command, was promised that he would be installed as the leader of Palestine after German troops had driven out the British and exterminated the more than 350,000 Jews living there”

    And there were a number of Nazi sympathizers in leadership roles throughout the Arab/Islamic world, I think they should be called “Sand Nazis”. Currently, the best descriptive of radical Muslims is “Islamofascist”, and I couldn’t care less if they don’t like it.  
     
    + is NQ’s version of ‘Baghdad Bob’, he’ll rabidly defend his ridiculous lies to the bitter end. Nobody could possibly be stupid enough to believe his bullshit, except perhaps donjo, so we should just ignore it as insulting propaganda. Or, laugh derisively at it!   :-D

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  • Pablo Cruz

    If Obama is seeking regime change, so are the elected representatives of every state in the union.  Today, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed a resolution (non-binding, of course) calling for Mubarak to step down.  I guess the Muslim Brotherhood has co-opted every U.S. Senator, too.

  • bamalv

    O’rielly is going to interview obama on sunday.  lets see if he has the guts to ask obama about his relationship with the muslim brotherhood.and if hes such a good christian why hasnt he said anything about the killing of christians by muslim ? he has never spoken out against  the jihadists or muslim terrorists.is he afraid to or is he just protecting his ilk?

  • bamalv

    i think he has most every one fooled (except valerie jarrett and eric holder)into thinking his true agenda is socialism, when its really about the muslim takeover of america. maybe they promised to make him”head of the Caliphate” i have no doubt he would sell the U.S. down the river to obtain more power.i wonder how MO will look in a burka?

  • bamalv

    if obama was such a good christian, how come he was silent when the muslims  bombed christian churches and killed many christians?.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Dang, Madame – for real abt West??  How refreshing – a representative who says what he is really thinking…

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Oh, Steve – that is too damn funny…I swear, it’s like he’s a robot whose programming gets mixed up sometimes.  “Green behind the ears” – oh, my!

  • Hokma

    What was the vote? Any idea?

  • kenoshamarge

    Sorry if I didn’t make myself plain OA, I did not mean that YOU thought it was all right but was wondering why “they” would think it was all right. I would never accuse you of such stupidity. Guess my ignorance was worse than I thought. I’ll go away now.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Ah, yes – just like they did for Iraq – pushing for “regime change.”  That’s what I mean.  Many of us were very upset at our elected officials going along with this (and if you recall, Hillary Clinton was pilloried REGULARLY by Obama and his supporters for voting to go into Iraq).  And that was against Hussein.

    Now they are voting on a resolution for an ALLY of ours to step down? One whp has helped to stabilize the ME?  Who has helped keep the peace with Israel?  WTH is wrong with this picture??  Now OBAMA is pushing for regime change, and his followers see nothing wrong with it at all.  That’s not just hypocritical, that is just crazy.

  • kenoshamarge

    Sorry if I didn’t make myself plain OA, I did not mean that YOU thought it was all right but was wondering why “they” would think it was all right. I would never accuse you of such stupidity. Guess my ignorance was worse than I thought.

     I was having a really bad day and now it’s gotten worse. I’ll go away now.

  • armymom

    Obama could care less about Christians, except to try and convince them that he’s one of theirs so they will vote for him. Other than that,nada, zilch, he could care less.

  • Pablo Cruz

    As I stated above, the vote was unanimous.  Every senator from every state voted to affirm their belief that Mubarak should step down.

  • Pablo Cruz

    I believe you’re missing my point.  Every single United States Senator supported the resolution calling for Mobarak’s ouster.  Have all 100 senators been co-opted by the Muslim Brotherhood?

  • jj

    Hi Olivia, that’s my point. Saudi Arabia is a theocratic Muslim state and no politician, in either party, wants it overthrown. So why the concern about Egypt?

    I believe Christians are not allowed to publicly practice their religion in the Kingdom. So if no one cares about the mistreatment of Christians in Saudi Arabia why the concern about Egypt?

  • Onofre’s arm

    Ha, don’t go away KM, I’m glad you clarified your point, and it’s a good point. I’ve often been stunned when the liberals that I know rail against Israel and sympathize with the forces that would love to see Israel destroyed, yet they are the same people who happily indulge in hedonistic lifestyles that make them prime targets of Islam. It’s clear that they have no clue what the real threats are in this world.

  • armymom

    Perhaps you have shown no concern, but I know for a fact many churches in this country who have shown much concern for Christians wherever they are in any Islamic country. You posted that you are a Christian. Do you go to church? Do you interact with any of the congregation or your minister to ask these questions?

  • TeakWoodKite

    West Virginia,  exactly. WTF?!!! I will now flag that POS every time it posts out of principle.

  • Onofre’s arm
  • TeakWoodKite

    who are the other two?

  • TeakWoodKite

    The latter.

  • Puma.for.Life

    I also cannot understand how Hillary can support the muslims. She even wore a head scarf when she went over there at one point.  I have a friend here who voted for Obama and I realize now that actually she is a racist and a sexist. Of course, it is not blatant, but she voted for Obama to assuage her white guilt and she really hates herself; she already dressses like a muslim except for the headgear. I think it is very scary for this country. Unbelievable that we went form 9/ll to a muslim/anti-american president. I pray for this country.

  • Puma.for.Life

    They all are standing behind the POTUS because they are all part of the good old boys network even if they are women. It is disgusting and idiotic.

  • Puma.for.Life

    I think this makes total sense. I think things are being accelerated by Obama and that he was put into office by these groups. I think the American people are really stupid. I think I will not wear a bhurka and head gear and look through a slit even if Hillary Clinton thinks that is ok.  I feel that Hillary has put her politics befpre her country.  I think that is very sad.

  • TC

    http://web.archive.org/web/20080611175514/http://www.ummah.net/ikhwan/

    Is an archive from the ummah.net site, which still exists and you can check out.  The specific page was removed sometime in the last few years, but on the Internet nothing ever really dies, thus the link to the archive site.  Several other sites reference the same article, but they aren’t Islamic sites, so I didn’t bother posting them since I knew it would be to no avail.

    In the case of the first link, I don’t care that one particular author is lamenting that radical Saudis are negatively influencing the MB.  I don’t know who that author is or what his spin is.  I certainly don’t care how MB’s official English language web-site chooses to spin all the great things the MB is doing for their fellow man.  This is simple propaganda.  You can drink the snake oil if you want, but when someone offers it to me I walk away.

    The point is you asked for a reputable site that states the motto of the MB.  I gave you the official English language site of the MB.  Will you now acknowledge that the motto of the Muslim Brotherhood is:
    * Allah is our objective.  
    * The messenger is our leader.  
    * Quran is our law.  
    * Dying in the way of God is our highest hope.  
    * Jihad is our way. 

    Hint: Failing to acknowledge the obvious when presented with indisputable facts is grounds to be acknowledged a troll.

    1- Building the Muslim individual: brother or sister with a strong body, high manners, cultured thought, ability to earn, strong faith, correct worship, conscious of time, of benefit to others, organized, and self-struggling character [3].
    2- Building the Muslim family: choosing a good wife (husband), educating children Islamicaly, and inviting other families.
    3- Building the Muslim society (thru building individuals and families) and addressing the problems of the society realistically.
    4- Building the Muslim state.
    5- Building the Khilafa (basically a shape of unity between the Islamic states).
    6- Mastering the world with Islam.

    I interpret the objective of the MB as global domination by causing one state after another to fall to their control.  The best way to do this is with a patient non-violent educated and organized group tied together by their religion and sub-contracting out all the dirty work to their less reputable associates.  If the MB can follow that script they will eventually succeed in the resurrection of the Caliphate.  I don’t think they will achieve level-6, but a large Caliphate could happen this decade.

    Fortunately I don’t expect the Arabs to be smart.  If the Arabs were smart and non-violent they would already have made the Jews a minority in Israel.  Instead they chose rocks and rockets and eat dirt.  The Muslim Brotherhood is super scary because they seem to be the only group that can think strategically.

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