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This Is What Sharia Law Looks Like

I admit – I am procrastinating writing this story because it makes me want to throw up. It is disturbing to say the least, and I must thank SeriouslySickofObama, a faithful No Quarter reader, for making sure I saw it. It is not for the faint of heart.

And no, I am not referring to the trial currently going on in Phoenix in which a father is accused of running down his own daughter because she had become too Westernized. Yes, the one to which they refer as an “honor killing.” That trial is ongoing, and is also disturbing on a number of levels. That is what Sharia Law looks like.

So is this: the whipping, and subsequent death, of a 14 year old girl who had been raped by her 40 year old cousin, for ADULTERY, in Bangladesh. Yes, she was accused of adultery because her cousin was married. As the BBC reports, being lashed to death was the second “punishment” she received:

[snip]The family members of the married man also allegedly beat the girl up a day before the village court passed the sentence in the district of Shariatpur.

“Her family members said she was admitted to a hospital after the incident and she died six days later. The village elders also asked the girl’s father to pay a fine of about 50,000 Taka (£430; $700),” district superintendent of police, AKM Shahidur Rahman, told the BBC.

He said it had not been established yet whether she died because of the punishment she received or another reason.

“We are still waiting for the post-mortem report. In the meantime, we are also looking for another 14 people including a teacher from a local madrassa in connection with this case,” Mr Rahman said.

Activists say dozens of fatwas – or religious rulings – are issued under Sharia law each year by village clergy in Bangladesh. [snip]

In theory, Sharia Law has been outlawed in Bangladesh, and four people, including a cleric, have been arrested for this fatwa. That will not bring back Hena Begum, though:

“What sort of justice is this? My daughter has been beaten to death in the name of justice. If it had been a proper court then my daughter would not have died,” Dorbesh Khan, the father of Hena Begum, told the BBC.

He said those responsible for the death should be punished.

A group of people held a rally on Wednesday in the town of Shariatpur in protest against those who gave the fatwa and demanded action against them.

This is the second reported fatality linked to a Sharia law punishment since the practice was outlawed last year by the High Court.

A 40-year-old woman in the district of Rajshahi died in December, days after she was publicly caned for allegedly having an affair with her stepson.

Nearly 90% of Bangladesh’s estimated 160 million population are Muslims, most of whom practise a moderate version of Islam. (Click here to read the rest.)

Good for Bangladesh for outlawing this practice, though clearly, it is still being conducted in certain segments of the population.

So tell me again why a federal judge has put a halt to the ban of Sharia Law passed by the vast majority of voters in Oklahoma?

Or why the Oklahoma University Student Government would vote to condemn the ban on Shariah Law (no, I am not making this up)? Are these students really okay with women and girls being killed by their family members for an alleged infraction (apparently, it does not have to be proved)? Are they really okay with a “Harry Potter” actress, Afshan Azad, being beaten by her brother because she has a non-Muslim boyfriend? (Her brother got a six month sentence.) Are they really okay with hands being hacked off of thieves? Do they have the faintest clue what Sharia Law means? I would say, Hell No.

And the lack of logic employed by these students is disturbing in and of itself. One student said this:

[snip] Daitch, a Jewish student, said no one should be singled out in state law and that the ballot question easily could have singled out Jewish and Catholic teachings, as well as Islam.

“I hope that if my faith was under attack, someone would stand up for me,” she said.

“What if the bill outlawed Jewish law? And technically the 10 Commandments are international law, and I don’t think many Oklahomans would appreciate
knowing that they outlawed parts of their own faith.” [snip]

This is not about the Muslim faith per se. It is about allowing one religious group to insert their own set of laws over and above the laws of the country in which they live. While the Ten Commandments may inform a number of our laws, I dare say if people started putting people to death in this country for wearing mixed fabrics, something clearly forbidden in Leviticus 19:19, these same students might be a tad concerned. Especially if any of them also eat pork, or shellfish, or any other of the numerous prohibitions in the Hebrew Scriptures that don’t end well for the offenders. But people are not allowed to put to death someone who “spills their seed upon the ground” (Gen.38) because that would be allowing the laws of one particular faith to supercede the laws of the land. Hence the separation of church (or temple or synagogue) from state. It’s kind of a foundational concept for our country. Just saying. (Just what the hell are they teaching at OU, anyway?)

Because we have been manipulated into thinking that if we say ANYTHING negative about Islam, we are Islamophobic, intolerant, racist, xenophobic, and on and on and on. I’m sorry, but I am just not okay with women or girls being murdered or beaten by their family members for some perceived infraction that has “dishonored” the men. I am not okay with it, and I do not understand these folks who are.

To extend blanket, uncritical, acceptance of any group in an effort to be “tolerant” is just wrong-headed. It is NOT okay to beat women, it is NOT okay to wage jihad, it is NOT okay to cut off limbs, it is not okay to cane, flog, or stone people. Any attempt to make this acceptable, under the guise of “political correctness,” is deplorable.

This is what Sharia Law looks like, the flogging to death of a 14 year old girl. The murder of a daughter. The beating of a sister. This is what the Muslim Brotherhood wants to implement not just in Egypt, but around the world:

[snip] “God is our objective, the Koran is our Constitution, the Prophet is our leader, struggle is our way, and death for the sake of God is the highest of our aspirations” — the Brotherhood since its founding has supported the use of armed struggle, or jihad. The Brotherhood supports the waging of jihad against non-Muslim “infidels,” and has expressed support for terrorism against Israel, whose legitimacy the Brotherhood does not recognize, and against the West, particularly the United States….[snip] (Click here to read the rest.)

To defend this is not “politically correct.” No. Rather, it is uninformed, uneducated, uncritical, idiotic parroting of a party line, the purpose of which is to hide the oppression of an entire segment of the population, and the radical intent to do harm. That isn’t “politically correct,” that is just stupid.

And we should name it as such. Don’t take my word for it. Take it from someone who has lived under this practice:

Name it indeed. Call it what it is and stop doing the work for those who wish to wage jihad against us, or implement Sharia Law in Egypt, or in Europe, or in the States. Name it. Call it out. And do not let people get away with justifying these kinds of practices in the name of “tolerance.” Call them out.

  • Katmoon

    CAll it out and offer a hand, to the women. If one of these women needs a place to be safe, they are welcome in my home under my watch and protection. We need a network for these women to fall back on, a world wide network to get out of these savage places, (regardless of country) and have a place to be to gain their health, mentally and physically to be able to get away from these situations; IF we can get our own government to recognize that these crimes against women are crimes agianst humanity, no matter what “veil” they are hidden under. Savages! 

  • Katmoon

    And do mean protected; whatever means necessary. I am sure a rapist or  a wife beater would find it difficult to harm anyone with a hole in their knee from a .357- and yes I know I referred to the perps as savages, I consider  my method a long overdue equilizer.

  • carol haka, Matzo

    Mama Grizzlie!

    :*

  • helenk

    screw politically correct. I DO NOT WANT THEIR SICK LAW ANYWHERE IN MY COUNTRY. I do not go to their country because I have no desire to be around such sickness.
    I remember seeing on tv when the shah fell there were some female college students here going back to the new Iran. My first thought was how long have you been stupid. You as a female are going back to the fifth century. You took up space in our colleges that someone who really wanted to learn could have used.

    I have no tolerance for the females who go along with or  promote such sickness against other females.

    For the muslims who come to our country , leave your sickness behind. We do not need it here. If you want to live with it , stay where you are.

    Every time I think of things like this and the stoning to death of a 13 year old rape victim while these sickos cheered I want to scream.
    The brought her to a stadium and dug a pit and buried her to her neck and stoned her while they cheered. Where the hell was a drone when you needed one.

    I am not and never will be reasonalble about the raping and killing of young girls by the people in charge.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

  • jj

    If it’s acceptable to the US to have Sharia law in Saudi Arabia what’s the big deal if you have Sharia law in Egypt?

    Saudi Arabia has Sharia law and yet we staunchly support them. Bush even liked to hold the King’s hand. Cheney called Saudi Arabia are closest  Arab ally.

  • Daisy Mae

    Quote from a woman rancher in New Mexico in the 1940s, when ask how a lady like her could manage a huge ranch in Eastern NM.
    “A six shooter is a great equalizer.”

  • Katmoon

    Right on, there is no PC to be concerned over, let someone else worry about that horseshit, I am sick and tired of day in and day out knowing that rapes are used inwarefare(while I sleep safe) that stoning to death and all these sick means of getting rid of females are allowed and not screamed out against by Men in power, in our country!!!!!
    It is time to yell and scream outside the courthouses in our country over these abuses, enough has been enough for many lifetimes, and shame on all cultures for their blind eyes, and backwards beliefs that they know in their hearts are just an excuse to murder. Yes it is time to make a scene, again and again and again.

  • armymom

    I don’t think it’s “accecptable” to have Sharia law in any country. It is a very barbaric law. And to your question as to why our country supports it, well our country (government) does many things that the people do not agree with. Where have you been?

  • Katmoon

    I don’t know who the “we” is, but I suspect women are being encompassed in that we? I don’t have any kind of answer for anyone who phrases a question with “what is the big deal if you have Sharia law”….-nuf said.

  • jj

    Hi armymom, and how exactly have you opposed sharia law in Saudi Arabia for the last 50 years?

  • Daisy Mae

    Thank you for this call out.  I send out articles daily on Sharia/Islamacist atrocities to women, etc to a group of people. And I know a number of them inform others now.  The PC Multi-Culti left-wing feminists who have not spoken out make me boil. I don’t care who thinks I am PC; these issues, inc. FGM, must be shouted out, named, and publicized.  There has been minimal on the MSM, but Fox has given a little attention.  In this last year we are seeing more information. If good comes out of all of this Egypt melee, information on the Muslim Brotherhood, sharia, and goals of such groups is one good. 

    I deeply appreciate this article.  

  • Katmoon

    Thats like saying, whats the big deal with slavery?

  • jj

    And what have you done  to oppose Sharia law in Saudi Arabia?

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Amen to that, Katmoon.  But as long as our nation under Obama is all too willing to turn a blind eye to the plight of these women, especially given his connections to the Muslim Brotherhood, I have little hope that our country will recognize it.

    Yes, we need to be able to provide a network for them, to be sure.

  • Katmoon

    You first jj, do you oppose sharia law, anywhere?

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    You said it, Katmoon.  It is just that kind of stupidity of which I am speaking.  There is nothing good, decent, or acceptable abt Sharia Law.  It treats women as less than chattel, is abusive, and barbaric.  It has no place in the United States, or any civilized nation. 

    There is a reason Egypt outlawed the Muslim Brotherhood, after all.

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    And what have you done  to oppose Sharia law in Saudi Arabia?
    ================
    I don’t buy oil from companies that do business in Saudi Arabia. Why do you support Sharia? Are you a misogynyst?

  • +

    Amy,

    Not sure what the point of this post is. Anyone can point to the worst examples of anything, but that does not necessarily represent the largely reality.

    Muslims believe Sharia is God‘s law, but they differ as to what exactly it entails.[1] Modernists, traditionalists and fundamentalists all hold different views of Sharia, as do adherents to different schools of Islamic thought and scholarship. Different countries and cultures have varying interpretations of Sharia as well.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia

    There is no one interpretation.

    The Muslim Brotherhood goal is not bring Sharia law back. The Muslim Brotherhood also has a pretty moderate view of women.

    You link to a wacky website run by a racist as your proof of what the MB want to do is not very credible. How about you support your articles with some credible sources?

    “In 2007, the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood stated that its vision was based on “complete equality” between men and women while preserving their different social roles. The Brotherhood also stressed the need to empower women so they might acquire rights in the public sphere that do not conflict with society’s basic values.”


    Furthermore, a growing number of men in the Brotherhood are now convinced that the current status of women inside the Muslim Brotherhood is a “weak point” that needs to be seriously addressed. The Brotherhood is routinely criticised for its position on women’s issues, especially since it presents itself as liberal with regard to politics yet is perceived as conservative when it comes to women’s issues. The majority of this pro-women group occupies mid-level positions in the movement and is calling for increased women’s leadership within the organisation, as well as a greater number of female Muslim Brotherhood candidates in national elections.”

    http://www.carnegieendowment.org/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&id=23002

    This does not sound like the strict Sharia interpretations we find in Saudi Arabia or Iran or Afghanistan. If the MB had a strict interpretation of Sharia law regarding women I doubt they would tolerate a pro-women group in their organization and have many members that want to improve women’s positions within the group itself.

    Now MB is still a muslim religious group so they are not up to the same standards of the West, but they are hardly a radical islamic group regarding women and are actually fairly moderate by muslim standards.

    In any event your original fear-mongering regarding the MB taking over or putting Sharia law in practice in Egypt is completely unwarranted, as their is no interest by the great majority of people in secular Egypt for Sharia law and at most MB is a minority party. 

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    Sharia is an anathema to humanity. End of discussion.

  • Katmoon

    Thats right Rev Amy, it is critical that little girls and little boys are protected from being raised in such a mindset, it is abusive plain and simple, it isn’t a religion of God it is sanctioned barbarism in the name of God, enacted and supported by men.

  • jj

    I do not vote for American politicians who support Saudi arabia. I am sure that’s more than what you have done.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thank you, DM, and thank you for all the work you are doing on behalf of women.

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    I think you need to put on a bur’qa, +. it might improve your appearance.

  • Katmoon

    Imagine a non-islamic household trying to claim it is ok to threaten their children daily with death and maiming because the father or parents think its the right thing to do, or run down their child… they wouldn’t be given this kind of leeway; it is child abuse. 

  • Katmoon

    Aren’t children and females in our country entitled to equal protection under the law? Do we not have the same civil rights as everyone else? If not, then why not? Because someone has Islamic parents? Bull f-ing shit!

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    I do not vote for American politicians who support Saudi arabia. I am sure that’s more than what you have done.
    ================================
    You don’t know anything about me, junior. And you vote for anyone who provides you Kool-Aid or promises to pay your mortgage.

  • Katmoon

    The Muslim Brotherhood goal is not bring Sharia law back. The Muslim Brotherhood also has a pretty moderate view of women.  
    ————————————————————————–
    How would you know what the MB goal is?

    Regarding their view of women being moderate;
    Compared to what? The BTK Killer?

  • jj

    Ferd, if you voted for MccCain, Bush II, Bush I, Reagan, etc. then you strongly supported Sharia law since those Presidents strongly supported the Kingdom. Bush I even let US troops die for the Kingdom.

    I can proudly say I did not vote for Bush I, Bush II or McCain.

  • SeriouslyStrongWoman

    RRRA, I knew you would take this article and spell it out to express the anger and rage that is flowing through us as we read each line.  When I received the article this morning, I cried, I could not stop!  I am a visual person and my daughter who is 19 years old and in my mind the image of that little 14 year old that had already been badly beaten, raped, executed by public opinion and left with shame, made me see this as something that could happen to my own daughter if we do not lock the gates to our country and start electing LEADERS that would not allow the Muslim Brotherhood into our country.  I was/am so angry, I can’t imagine a world that allows this.  THANK YOU FOR THIS EXCELLENT POST AND ADDING THE VIDEO.  Somewhere, someday, we have to stop this.  I can only imagine the pain and torture she had to endure in those final days.  Another unfinished life because of religion that teaches these principles to treat woman as if they are of less value than of a rat in the street!!  This is why I keep asking, IS THIS WHAT EGYPT WANTS?  Who is standing up for the women of Egypt and why are we are aiding countries that do this to woman, why is Hillary Clinton not coming out against this, could this not be her moment to prove to us she is still fighting for us, the fact womens rights is human rights???  Some many damn questions and not one damn ANSWER!! Thank you, RRRA, I knew if you had this information, the world would be able to hear the cry of that little child that was a VICTIM and suffered so much for something she had no control over.  I just died inside!!  RRRA, you remain on my top 10 most respected JOURNALIST LIST!! FIVE STARS*****!!

  • Daisy Mae

    Why is this “+” person touting the philosophical vicissitudes and gamuts of Sharia?
    Aren’t we discussing the actual EFFECTS of sharia in the real world? They are localized and vile. And occur in Egypt too.  And Jordan.
    Who the F cares about how many angels can stand on a sharia pin (head)? 
    Why doesn’t this person go to some site where he can verbally massage other men of his persuasion?

  • HC123

    Yes, because the alternative title for this article was “Because Saudi Arabia Does It, Its A-OK!”

    Sharia is a blight on humanity and its presence in one hellhole in no way shape or form justifies its spread to other areas. To condemn it in one area in no way shape or form excuses it elsewhere. We *should* treat Saudi Arabia the way we treated South Africa – like an international pariah – until they knock off the gender apartheid.

     Just shut it jj and stop spewing garbage in RRRA’s excellent post about a very serious and tragic event.

  • jj

     Kool -Aid?

  • Katmoon

    Anyone who drives a car could be seen as supporting Saudia Arabia; it isn’t quite that simplisitic now is it?

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    Ferd, if you voted for MccCain, Bush II, Bush I, Reagan, etc. then you strongly supported Sharia law since those Presidents strongly supported the Kingdom. Bush I even let US troops die for the Kingdom.  
    ==============
    You are the most ignorant obamabot we’ve had here. You give me a false dilemma of sorts, and then state it proves I’m for Sharia. Such bullshit. while I didn’t vote for Bush (any of them), I did vote for McCain.

    And for your information, junior, Democrats are just as big a group of supporters of Arab states as Republicans. That they support the Arab governments does not mean they support the policies of Sharia. Your fallacy can be boiled down to post hoc ergo propter hoc.

    Go peddle your garbage elsewhere.

  • HC123

    “There is no one interpretation.”  
    You fail at Islam, but thanks for the wikipedia article.  Now go stone yourself to death, please. I hear some virgins might await you.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    In theory, yes.  But we know the girl run down by her dad is not the only case of an “honor” (sic) killing in this country. 

    As long as we tiptoe around groups or individuals who wish to institute these kinds of policies, we are stepping on our mothers, sisters, wives, and daughters. 

  • Betty

    Put me on your underground railroad list Katmoon.  

    But I also think Muslum women should make their own world wide network to insure any man that dared to throw a stone/rape/beat a woman or girl would be dead before the sun rose the next day.  That would include any men who tried to punish the women who the beasts down.  Iteration after iteration till finally one day when a crazy imam says grab some stones, the men will turn away and choose life.  Course it would be alright with me if the men took the stones and winged them at that crazy imam.

    And just today I saw what that black stone they worship looks like.  google it and take a look – you will laugh your ass off.   

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    You said it, Ferd.  There is nothing redemptive abt Sharia Law, nothing.  It is not “cool,” it is not fair, it is not “justice.”  It is, as I said above, barbaric, and no amount of dressing it up changes that.

  • Katmoon

    Thank you HC 123; well put-gender apartheid is exactly what we see. I also am not up for trying to pick at this with jj or anyone else, as I said it is like someone trying to defend slavery, it doesn’t work, no matter what, and trying to point a finger back at people here over which party they voted for certainly only serves to try to side line the important issue it is.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    jj, which islamic country would you like to live? I will supply a one way ticket to the destination of your choice!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    jj, which islamic country would you like to live? I will supply a one way ticket to the destination of your choice!

  • armymom

    Do you drive? Do you brush your teeth? Do you use a computer? (Evidently so) Do you wear tennis shoes or sneakers or any shoe with a rubber sole? Have you ever used a band aid? Do you wear glasses? I could go on, but I’m afraid I would confuse you. What do these things have in common? Well they’re all made from oil and that’s oil from Saudi as well, unless you have a way of “sorting” out what oil you use. So asshat, since I can assume that you use these and since Clinton and Obama support Saudi as well, then I have to assume that you do support Sharia, all the while claiming you’re above the fray.

    And as far as what “we” have done to oppose Sharia law, well let’s just say that most here have spoken out about women’s issue long before you were probably a gleam in your daddy’s eyes. We tried to hand it off to the next generation of women, but they don’t know what the hell true issues with women are because they’ve been too busy texting, primping, tweeting and all in all being complete ignorant asses, like you. And all they can seem to remember from the men talking to them in their lives is that their “womb is theirs”.

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    Spot on, RRRA. Uncivilized comes immediately to mind.

  • helenk

    Don’t tell him but I think instead of virgins they are 144 hags with the pox.

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    Still no answer from junior.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Hope so!

  • HC123

    jj Your zeal to talk about Bush is very creepy. Did you miss the part where a little girl was murdered by islamic theology?

    For the record here are a couple more presidents who supported Saudi Arabia as a US ally - Carter, Clinton, Obama. Funny they werent on your list.

    This article isnt about how Saudia Arabia sucks. Its about how it would be a shame to see more Sharia states born, because the ones that do exist are terrible. Saudi is an example of such.

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    Now go stone yourself to death, please.
    =======================
    That’s a great idea. I’ve got a box of rocks they can use.

  • jj

    Ferd, how can say you oppose Sharia law but vote for McCain, who is one of Saudi arabia’s strongest supporters?

    Check out the Libertarian Party. They strongly oppose giving aid to states like Saudi Arabia. Don’t say you oppose Sharia law but you will vote for people like McCain.

  • HC123

    A gross of hags, nice!

  • Katmoon

    Thank you Rev Amy, for another well written piece, and the one that is the most difficult for me to not see red with rage; and want to go all “Boudicca” on some buttocks.

    I believe I have some work to do in trying to get an angel underground going to help create some sanctuaries against sharia law.

  • carol haka, Matzo

    All I know is next job interview, I’m wearing a Burka.

    I won’t have to comb my hair or wear makeup.  I can also sue if they don’t hire me.

    That’s the only thing this vulgar practice could possibly be good for.

    I’m bitter and the idea that anyone anywhere would bough to this form of slavery is disgusting.

    >:o

  • jj

    Hi armymom, what do you suggest people do to oppose Sharia law that is practiced in Saudi Arabia?

  • SeriouslyStrongWoman

    Put me on your underground railroad list Katmoon.
    +++++++++++++++
    ADD ME TOO, KATMOON!! I have a big house with lots of bedrooms, LOL!  I shot first, then ask questions later!  I would gladly keep these women and children in SAFE HARBOR!!  I don’t know why the US has not already started an underground for cases like these.  We have the necessary means to make this happen to protect these women and children.

  • armymom

    I think minus is a MB member, therefore all the ‘talking it up and edifying it”. I quit talking to the zero because all he does is talk up the MB like it’s the “cats meow” or something. Can’t reason with a lunatic and those who believe the MB are “moderate” are lunatics.

  • jj

    Hi HC, what’s creepy is people saying they oppose Sharia Law yet they support politicians who have always strongly supported Saudi Arabia.

    I’ve got nothing against either Bush. Both of them were not concerned with Sharia Law. So why are former Bush supporters so concerned about Sharia Law?

  • HC123

    And if you get the job you can send anyone about your height in to work for you.

    Reminds me of watching a gaggle of niqab (the gulf style burka) wearers taking each others photos: Oh, get Khadija now! Ok now Maryam! Nada its your turn! Now Nabila! I was thinking “who can tell?”

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thank you for making sure I saw this article.  And for the loving support.  That means a lot to me, SSW.  Truly.

    And I meant it when I said it was very hard to write this.  Reading abt that little girl, in all honesty, made me want to throw up.  What was done to her, by her cousin first, then his family, her village, her CLERIC, is reprehensible and abhorent on so many levels.  Ad sadly, it remains too often an occurrence (if it happens once, it is too often).

    Here is the thing – one of the people who worked very hard for ther women of Egypt is a close friend of Hillary Clinton’s.  She also happens to be the First Lady of Egypt, Suzanne Mubarak.  But rather than support this current administration, the one that has worked tirelessly to keep the Muslim Brotherhood at bay (the organization that relies on Sharia Law, and from which both Al Qaeda and Hamas were born), Obama is making it clear he stands against Mubarak. Mind boggling.

    We cannot allow ourselves to be cowed by those who denigrate, demean, and belittle us should we stand up against the injustices perpetrated by those who practice Sharia Law, or who support jihad, or breed terrorists. It was just that kind of misguided logic that allowed Major Hasan to remain in the Army despite the NUMEROUS red flags, and which allowed him to gun down his fellow soldiers (and others, including a pregnant woman).  The reports all make it clear – both the Army and the FBI FAILED to flag him because of that very practice of political correctness.  The lives lost will never be reclaimed, and it all could have been prevented had they done their jobs properly.

    Of course, the response often is that all Muslims are not like this.  Are there moderate Muslims?  Yes.  There are.  But they need to stand up against these practices and be counted, too. Otherwise, their silence is tacit acceptance.

    Thank you again, SSW, for trusting me with this critical story.

    Btw, Katmoon, you can put me on that list, too, btw.

  • armymom

    You write letters, you deal with those around you that are from there. FYI, I’m about 10 miles from the cheerleader who ran away from her parents because she left the muslim religion and became a Christian. There was real fear in this area, for her, because most around here knew that given the chance, her father would have killed her. There is a lot of muslim refugees around here and believe me, if it wasn’t for the pricks they have as brothers or husbands, more would be “westernized”. I’ve seen them at the hospitals when they’re not with any male and they long for the freedom that we have in this country. Educate them. Of course I don’t know why I’m talking to you because I’m sure you would like a few in your harem for you to control.

  • SeriouslyStrongWoman

    jj,
    What’s up with new HI when you address someone?  Do you believe the readers of NOQUARTER do NOT remember your racist remarks about SWEET WHITE SARAH?  This new CIVIL tactic with HI XXX is not working.  Why don’t try to imagine just for a moment what hell that child went through before you start running your mouth about Saudi!  This is about a child that was RAPED, BEATEN and WHIPPED and ended her precious UNFINISHED LIFE for a damn law that should be abolished everywhere, NO WOMAN/FEMALE CHILD SHOULD EVER ENDURE THIS OR LIVE IN FEAR OF THIS!  Why must you turn this thread into a Political Talking points for your PASTOR OBAMA? 

    Have you no compassion, are there no limits to your rule book, OBOTS DO AND SAY THIS??? 

    A CHILD IS DEAD and you want to argue politics of Saudi!!  YOU ARE ONE SICK TWISTED PERSON!!

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Because OUR government is demanding of the transitional government in Egypt that “non-secular ogroups,” i.e., the Brotherhood, be included. 

    IOW, they don’t give a SHIT abt women.

  • Katmoon

    Got you Rev Amy, and Betty.

    I don’t care anymore what I am called because I despise radical Muslims, I despise Sharia law, I despise the oppression and open season on women, and will not take it anymore. WE are just as cherished and equally made in the image of God, Goddess all that is, I don’t care what any “religion” says. My heart speaks louder, and speaks the truth and I recognize it and plan on sharing that truth, far, wide, and loudly. Daisy Mae can you put me on your mailing list too?

  • Katmoon

    Got you SSW! I think we can do this, we need to check and see if anything is in place yet, in any state beyond the “usual” womens shelters. I know nthere were shelters for Islamic women by Islamic women, but I am not sure of how they work or how successful they are. Or even if they are in touch with their Mosques(who must be sharia free in order to serve such a population)

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    Ferd, how can say you oppose Sharia law but vote for McCain, who is one of Saudi arabia’s strongest supporters?  
    ===========
    Are you incapable of understanding what you read, twit? I commented:

    And for your information, junior, Democrats are just as big a group of supporters of Arab states as Republicans. That they support the Arab governments does not mean they support the policies of Sharia. Your fallacy can be boiled down to post hoc ergo propter hoc.
    =========================
    So tell me, junior, why is it that you use fallacious arguments to justify the opinions of the voices emanating from your shrunken skull?

  • HC123

    Hi jj.  Stop detracting from the death of a child with this crap.

    Its entirely possible to oppose Sharia and have voted for Bush. I assume many of you Obots oppose the Patriot Act yet voted for Obama. We dont get the perfect political candidates. Its often a lesser of two evils affair.

    That said:

    No major American political party supports Sharia.

    Voting for McCain OR Obama OR Bush OR Clinton wouldnt have mattered – none of them supports Sharia and they are all allied with Saudi.

    If you are a single issue voter who only votes for candidates who promise to eliminate Sharia from the planet, good luck. I know of no such candidate. Not McKinney, not Paul, not Nader. Absolutley not one who might actually be elected.

    You wanna blame someone for Saudi Arabia being what it is today? Try Truman.

    Thats enough time wasted on you, jj.

  • SeriouslyStrongWoman

    RRRA, EXCELLENT Advise and you have such common sense and when you say anything, you have facts to back it up!! The moment I seen the story, I knew there was one writer that would relate and react the way I did!  Thank you for doing such an excellent job and exposing all of this.  I am sure there are 1000′s of untold stories, but the few that get out, we need to scream to heaven and back about until someone listens!! I JUST ADORE YOU!!! 
    GOD BLESS YOU!!

  • armymom

    HC, jj is actually Jimmy Jihad” so we’re wasting our breath in even replying to him. He’s into that “circular jerking off” on himself.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thanks, SSW!  Right back at ya, sister!  :)

    And yes, no doubt there are too, too many stories out there abt which we do not here.  I think it is hard for us to focus on them because we simply cannot understand how these things can happen, like female genital mutilation and its use by too many communities still.  We cannot bear it, for it is horrendous, so we gloss over it and move on.  That is to say, it is just too painful to keep the focus on these stories, especially when we feel like we cannot change anything.

    But we can – it is up to us to give voice to those who don’t have one, and fight to bring justice – TRUE justice – to them and those who oppress them.  So, yes, we need to keep screaming it from the rooftops until violence against women stops.

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    jj stands for junior jerkoff.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Well they all drive on the same license is some European countries. When everyone is called Muhammad, one male in the family passes a driving test and they’re all set. (Some European countries do not photo ids on a license)

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    HC, you said it.  Because Saudi Arabia is our “partner” in many ways, we have turned a blind eye and deaf ear to the human rights violations in which they engage on a regular basis.  We’ll talk abt China, and even Egypt, but Saudi Arabia?  Uh, yeah, NO.  Not gonna happen. 

    But that does not mean they should NOT be taken to task.  Some day, I hope, one of our elected officials will stand up to them, and tell them to come into the 21st (or whatever one it is at that time) century, and start treating women like the full human beings we are.

    I hoped it would be someone like Hillary, but she is not willing to do that even now as Obama insists that the Muslim Brotherhood must be included in Egypt. (For Obama to insist upong the MB’s inclusion is disturbing on so, so many levels, it boggles the mind.  So glad the DNC stole the nomination for this man. Not.)

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Well they all drive on the same license is some European countries. When everyone is called Muhammad, one male in the family passes a driving test and they’re all set. (Some European countries do not have photo id on a license)

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Well they all drive on the same license is some European countries. When everyone is called Muhammad, one male in the family passes a driving test and they’re all set.
    (Some European countries do not have photo id on a license)

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    Would that be their aunt and uncle Muhammed? The Beverly Hillbillies meet the Bel Arabs?

  • My Site (click to edit)

    Its Jamil, thats the arab Jimmy.

  • +

    Daisy and Amy,

    Sharia law is hugely distorted around the world by many muslims. There is not doubt its interpretation has been used to do terrible things and hold down women and oppress people Not denying that.

    My beef is that Amy, who in her constant effort to attack Obama, tries to somehow attach Obama to the Muslim Brotherhood and then she assumes the the MB is a radical islamic group, when that is not the case at all. Their central goal of the MB is not to force Sharia law on people (which Sharia in itself has a different spectrum of interpretations). The MB is actually a fairly moderate islamic group, which actually fights against radical islam, so much so that many radical islamic groups detest the MB.

    In an effort to attack Obama, Amy is simply spreading misinformation or is talking about stuff she has no idea about.

  • HC123

    Oops I got that My Site (click to edit) bug. This system is Win 7 and IE8, and this is the first forum glitch I experience. Just FYI.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    ROTFLMAO – oh, my – too funny, HC 123!  Who knew someone could make this issue funny?

    Btw, my partner said you could hands down get a job in the Obama Admin. that way, Carol – but would you WANT a job there, she went on to say?  ;)

  • +

    Daisy and Amy,  
     
    Sharia law is hugely distorted around the world by many muslims. There is not doubt some of its interpretations have been used to do terrible things and hold down women and oppress people. Not denying that.  
     
    My beef is that Amy, who in her constant effort to attack Obama, tries to somehow attach Obama to the Muslim Brotherhood and then she assumes the the MB is a radical islamic group, when that is not the case at all. Their central goal is not to force Sharia law on people (even though Sharia in itself has a different spectrum of interpretations). The MB is actually a fairly moderate islamic group, which actually fights against radical islam, so much so that many radical islamic groups detest the MB.  
     
    In an effort to attack Obama, as usual Amy is spreading misinformation or is talking about stuff she really has no idea about.

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    Mine is Win 7 and ie8, too, and I get the my site (click to edit) crap all the time.

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    Its Jamil, thats the arab Jimmy.
    ================
    That explains his stay in that Turkish prison.

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    You are a liar and I’m calling you out. RRRA did not link this to That One, which makes your comment not only a lie but a damnable lie. You’re flagged for cause twit and I hope you get banned.

  • HC123

    Hi + (trolls seem to like Hi lately)

    Surah 4:34
    A personal favorite of mine, but by no means the only.
    Direct from Allah to Mohammed to you, +, because well, you are a maggot who is attacking RRRA when you really should be in school.

    “Men are overseers of women, as Allah has made them superior to the other, and because they spend of their wealth to provide for them. Therefore women who are virtuous are obedient to God, and guard in the husband’s absence what God would have them guard. As for those women on whose part you fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and last beat them. Then, if they obey you, seek not a way against them. For God is Most High, Great above you all.”

    I expect a tourettes retort involving Bush, Oklahoma City, “its ok because someone else is doing it” or some such. But why not surprise everyone and just shut up?

    Kisses,
    HC123

  • helenk

    I am glad that there is outrage over this child’s treatment.
    When the hell is it going to be unacceptable to the world to kill rape victims?

    http://www.dailytopseven.com/readmore.php?newsid=MzkxNw==

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALSITS AND THOSE CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

  • helenk

    Muhammad’s family?

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Thank you RRR Amy for highlighting this issue and SSW for getting the information to you.
    Makes me feel physically sick, this child suffered at the hands of those who should be there to protect her… It is mind-blowing. 
    ((RIP Hena))

  • sowsear

    Our esteemed leader has a deaf ear about Islam…He-R-Won

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thanks for having my back, HC123 – I don’t read comments that begin with attacks* (so you can pretty much figure out which ones I read and don’t read!), but love the responses y’all are providing! 

    *As I have said, people are more than free to disagree with my conclusions, or point of view, but if they want me to actually communicate with them, making personal attacks on me is not the way to do it.  I don’t engage with people who hide behind the anonymity of their keyboards to engage in vitriol for the sheer purpose of harassing and disrupting.  Just saying.

  • MrX

    Very good article on a sick subject.  I don’t really have anything to add.  Just don’t understand how sick in the head you have to be to completely lose theory of mind where they can no longer put themselves in the shoes of others, or even realize that what you do to others can be done to you.

  • sowsear

    Apparently these ugly incidents happen too fast for these girls/women to escape anywhere…that poor 14 yr. old was raped on one day, beaten by his family, and fatwa pronounced the next day.

  • sowsear

    Saudi Arabia may not be our friend…as we saw on 9/11..I wouldn’t look to them for tolerance.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    I’d say your comment was spot on, MrX!

  • Onofre’s arm

    Doing business with Saudi Arabia and using them as an ally in the region doesn’t mean that we support sharia dumbass. If the plumber you hired to fix your clogged toilet goes home and beats his wife, are you supporting domestic violence, jj? If the lady who cuts your hair cheats on her husband, are you supporting adultery? 

    I may not be happy that many Islamic states have huge supplies of oil, but they do, and as long as oil economically kicks the shit out of other forms of energy, and as long as there’s a crucial need for all of the other petroleum based products, and as long as we can get that oil at a reasonable price, I have no problem buying it from them, but that doesn’t mean I support sharia. Right now, when economic times are tough, fossil fuels represent the low hanging fruit on the energy tree, and it would be stupid and self destructive to ignore them and build a ridiculously large and expensive scaffold to get at the fruit at the top of the tree out of some pointless display of moral superiority.

    Besides, I doubt that you are all that bothered by sharia in Saudi Arabia anyway jj, you’re just a booger pickin twerp who thinks he’s made a brilliant point, when all you’ve actually done is display your suffocating ignorance. The world ain’t all daisies and lollipops, sonny, and we quite often have to subordinate our lofty moral principles to harsh realities. The reality here is that a bunch of medieval goons are sitting on top of much of the worlds oil, and we have to deal with them whether we like it or not.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Thank you RRR Amy for highlighting this issue and SSW for getting the information to you.
    Makes me feel physically sick, this a child suffered at the hands of those who should be there to protect her…
    ((RIP Hena))
    Sharia law should never be considered being implemented anywhere within the States. As someone else said, once here Muslims, need to live by our laws!
    What stands out in the BBC report: – Nearly 90% of Bangladesh’s estimated 160 million are Muslims, most of whom practice a moderate version of Islam. So many seem to defend being a “moderate”, this horror shows there is zero credibility to any defense, of accepting any level of the Islamic way of life.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Thank you RRR Amy for highlighting this issue and SSW for getting the information to you.  
    Makes me feel physically sick, this a child suffered at the hands of those who should be there to protect her…
      
    ((RIP Hena))  

    Sharia law should never be considered being implemented anywhere within the States. As someone else said, once here Muslims, need to live by our laws!  

    What stands out in the BBC report: – Nearly 90% of Bangladesh’s estimated 160 million are Muslims, most of whom practice a moderate version of Islam. So many seem to defend being a “moderate”, this horror shows there is zero credibility to any defense, of accepting any level of the Islamic way of life.

  • Betty

    That is their last argument you are “spreading misinformation or is talking about stuff she really has no idea about.”

    Kind of like screanubg “You are a Raa-ccestt”.

  • Betty

    I meant screaming not screanubg

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    JM, yes, the death of this little girl is so, so sad.  My heart goes out to her family, and my prayers are with them and Hena…

    Yes, Bangladesh is largely moderate, yet this happened only 35 miles from the capital.  That it happens at all is unacceptable…

  • sowsear

    How about that moderate Muslim in Buffalo (as I remember)(the one who had the program touting his moderateness) who beheaded his wife because she wanted to leave him…the case was labeled as “domestic violence”

  • sowsear

    The women aren’t allowed to have their pictures taken..picture wearing a burqa doesn’t make much sense…

  • Onofre’s arm

    The MB does much of it’s recruiting in prisons. This could explain +.

  • helenk

    this can not be allowed in this country. Too many have fought and died for the right of free speech. You do not have to agree with the speaker but he or she does have the right to speak.
    If these protesters do not understand that , I am sure many muslim countries would welcome them. Oh wait they are women, never mind.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/02/protesters-who-distrupted-israeli-ambassador-at-uci-charged-by-prosecutors.html

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

  • jj

    Hi armymom, I hope you feel better calling me a “Jihadist”. Would I feel better if I call you a Nazi loving fascist?

    I won’t call you that since I’m a Christian and I will be violating the Commandment about bearing false witness. It’s amazing how so many Christians violate the Commandment about bearing false witness.

  • jj

    Ferd, I notice when you lose your argument you resort to name calling.

  • armymom

    If you are a Christian, then I am the Pope….

  • jj

    “A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic”

  • jj

    “My racist remarks about Sweet White Sarah”?

    “White Sarah”

    Now who’s the racist?

  • armymom

    Hi Jamil, Ferd hasn’t lost anything, least of all any arguments. Now having watched you post for several days and on the items that you post, and on what you defend, such as the MB and Sharia, there is no way you can even defend your argument. Sharia is barbaric and the MB are jihadists and terrorists. Neither is needed in this world.

  • jj

    Hi armymom, it’s very complicated. I don’t support Sharia law by any stretch of the imagination. Saudi Arabia has virtually no abortions. In America millions of babies have been aborted/murdered. Our movies a cesspool of filth.

    Maybe to a Sharia loving Saudi or Egyptian  we are the barbarians and savages.

  • jj

    Fortunately you won’t be judging me. Do you enjoy bearing false witness against people?

  • jj

    We do more than just “do business” with Saudi Arabia. With the British we created and supported that regime since its inception.  Now who’s the dumbass?

    What I hate are hypocrites like you who ignore Sharia law when it’s convenient but then are shocked at what the ramifications of Sharia law are.

  • armymom

    The Bible says know thee by their fruits. Honey, your fruit isn’t there if you support Sharia law and the MB.  Nor is it there if you’ve been supporting this latest crop of democrats who even believe that partial birth abortion is allowed.  So while I’m not judging you nor will I have that right, I can call you on your bs. And the Bible also says that those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Well Jihaddy James, if you buy the bull shit of the article that you posted where you like the author calling Israel “shitty little Israel”, then you don’t know your Bible.

  • jj

    Hi armymom, you don’t know your theology. The Israel the Bible was talking about was destroyed around 700BC by the Assyrians. Modern day Israel has nothing to do with the Bible. “Christians” who claim that the Jews are the “chosen people” are not Christians. Everyone can now be “chosen”. All they have to do is accept Christ as lord and savior.

  • SeriouslyStrongWoman

    sowsear,
    Then to add insult to injury that precious child’s Dad had to pay $700 for his daughters SIN???? and I bet even though he is now having to bury her, he will still be expected to pay that fine, JUST DISGUSTING!!!

  • armymom

    You’re right about everyone can come to Christ. because they are “grafted” into the family of God.  But you are still wrong about supporting Israel. Gods word stands yesterday, today and tomorrow and if God says that the Jews are his chosen people, he meant it yesterday, today and tomorrow. God cannot lie. Men can, but God can’t. So for you to say that the Jews aren’t God’s chosen people mean that you’re calling God a liar. Good luck with that. You might want to start at Romans 11 and go on from there. The Jewish people will always be God’s people, we’re grafted in and only because of Christ. And we were grafted in to make the Jewish people jealous with the hopes that they would want God’s salvation. Do some reading.

  • SeriouslyStrongWoman

    ONE DEAD 14 YEAR OLD GIRL IS ONE TOO MANY YOU SICK TWISTED IGNORANT %($(%$+*%^_#^)U&T#)%#$^#^!!!

    How can you live with that much HATE in your soul!! GO AWAY!! LEAVE ME ALONE.  YOU ARE VILE AND DISGUSTING and I am not the RACIST, you are jj, you are the one that started your introduction on this blog with SWEET WHITE SARAH comment, Reread my comment, YOU SAID IT AND CALLED YOU OUT AGAIN FOR YOUR RACIST REMARKS, BTW, I AM WATCHING SWEET WHITE SARAH ON FOX NEWS RIGHT NOW TALKING AT REAGAN CENTENNIAL OPENING, LOL!!

  • oowawa

    Hey Ferd, you remember yesterday when I said that the trolls really don’t bother me that much?  That was a stupid statement, and I plan on being much more intolerant in the future . . .

  • armymom

    Oh and the Israel that the Bible was talking about was certainly not destroyed around 700 BC. If you believe that, then you don’t know Jesus or know that he was sent as King of the Jews. Even the Romans knew that. I don’t know where you were educated about the Bible, but you need to re-educate yourself. It must be where Obama was educated about the Bible.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    WOW you PIG, jj. This child was raped and then beat repeatedly! You are SICK! SICK in the head!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    You Scum, jj. This child was raped and then beat repeatedly! You are SICK! SICK in the head!

  • oowawa

    Yes jj, you did indeed use the term “sweet white Sarah” . . .

  • Onofre’s arm

    WTF jj, why don’t I get a “HI”? 

    Listen you stupid little twit, in the ‘grown up world’ we make deals and alliances with communists (Stalin), thugs (The Shah of Iran) and dirt bags like the Saudis all the time, because of strategic necessity and the fact that greater purposes are served from doing so. If you can’t wrap your pathetically small brain around this, perhaps you should commit suicide with the hopes of finding your perfect world in the great beyond, because you won’t find it here.

  • jj

    You are 100% wrong. You are either with Christ or not. jewish people do not accept Christ as Lord and savior. You can only find salvation through Christ.

    If the “Jewish people will always be God’s people” then why should I be a Christian? Wouldn’t it be better for me to convert and become Jewish? No, only by accepting Christ as lord and savior can qualify you as being chosen by God.

    Read the Gospel of John.

  • jj

    Armymom, Israel was destroyed around 700BC by the Assyrians. That’s in the Bible and is a fact.

    Judea (not Israel) was not destroyed by the Assyrians. Judea was later conquered by the Chaldeans, Persians, Greeks (Alexander the great) and finally the Romans.

    I am very well versed in the Bible. I don’t know how well obama knows his Bible but if you think you don’t have to accept Jesus as Lord and savior and still you can find salvation then you are not a Christian. Maybe you are Musilim?

    Jews and Muslims are not chosen. Only by accepting the divinity of Christ can you find salvation. That’s the essence of Christianity. Preachers who preach the doctrine of “Christian Zionism” are not Christian at all.

  • jj

    I am the hater? Lady, you have serious case of projection going on.

  • EllenD

    Hi armymom, and how exactly have you opposed sharia law in Saudi Arabia for the last 50 years?

    What kind of stupid question is that?!! Geez.

  • EllenD

    I agree Oowawa. I’m usually pretty laid back but this stuff has made smoke come out of my ears.

    Zakaria has this article in Time:
    “How Democracy can Work in the Middle East” which includes:

    When the Pew Research Center surveyed the Arab world last April, it found that Egyptians have views that would strike the modern Western eye as extreme. Pew found that 82% of Egyptians support stoning as a punishment for adultery, 84% favor the death penalty for Muslims who leave the religion, and in the struggle between “modernizers” and “fundamentalists,” 59% identify with fundamentalists.
     http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2045888-3,00.html#ixzz1D40ZqCFS
    Yeah. Woo hoo. I can really see how democracy is going to work with that group.I am so fed up with it all.

  • Mr. Natural

    Not true. 

    Ferd will call you a name even when he agrees with you.

  • SeriouslyStrongWoman

    Onofre’s Arm, I could be in a COMA and someone could read me your comments and I would come out just to LAUGH, ROFL!!

    ———————————–
     Onofre’s arm
    WTF jj, why don’t I get a “HI”?

  • SeriouslyStrongWoman

    projection, THAT IS THE 5th time an Obama Cheerleader has said that this week, is that your new word of the month to use, ROFL!!

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    Ferd will call you a name even when he agrees with you.
    ===================
    LMAO. Mr. Natural

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    Ferd, I notice when you lose your argument you resort to name calling.
    ================
    Well, junior jerkoff, I take issue with your use of the term “lose” and the phrase “name-calling”. You are apparently illiterate. I most certainly did not lose anything and pointing out to everyone exactly you what you are is not name calling. Not even a marginal try, there jj.

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    Maybe to a Sharia loving Saudi or Egyptian  we are the barbarians and savages.
    ===============
    You insuffereable fucking moron. Look up the definitions of barbarian and savage and then apply them to the correct group. Here’s a hint for you, clueless: those terms apply to Islamic extremists, their uncivilized Sharia “Law”, and their supporters like YOU.

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    My original comment was directed at the coward going by the moniker (+) that deleted its comment; it was not directed at Daisy Mae.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Yes, that is one abt which I was thinking.

    I just had a FB friend try to defend the MB by saying the BBC said they met with some of the younger ones, and they said they weren’t like the old school MB(not into violence and stuff).  Uh huh.  Really?  And you are going to believe members of the organization that spawned Al Qaeda and Hamas??  Really?  Their credo tells a different story, that’s for sure.

    And any organization that engages in Sharia Law is, by definition, violent.

  • HC123

    The ban on photos is locational. Saudis dont allow cameras really anywhere in the kingdom because Allah told Mohammed that pictures of people were bad. Ergo the Arab obsession with calligraphy. Iranians actually sell little pictures of Ali, their other alternative almost prophet, in markets. I guess the shiites are doctrinally confused on this one point.

    When Saudis go on holiday to say, Beirut (a popular destination) or Dubai they themselves do take tons of pictures. Even the ladies, and even of each other wearing niqabs. I guess Allah gives them a pass when they are not at home?

    No, I am not making this up.

    The other one I like is the women who are covered up by SUUUUUPER tight clothing – basically a catsuit with boots and a head covering. And beyond full makeup. This confusing “style” seems to be popular with many Iranian ladies, some Egyptians and the Lebanese (those who cover).

    Gotta love it.

  • Kathleen Wynne

    Katmoon,

    Include me on that list too!

  • +

    Amy,

    Personal attacks? Lame. How about attacking your non-existant facts. You website in nothing, but personal attacks by your readers on those that disagree with them. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black…

  • +

    Amy,

    And you and your readers also like to censor points that you disagree with. Kind of lame, given all you Tea Party types who constantly talk about freedom etc. etc. lame

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    Personal attacks? Lame. How about attacking your non-existant facts. You website in nothing, but personal attacks by your readers on those that disagree with them. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black…
    ==================
    Here’s an idea, crosshairs (jackie)–why don’t you pollute another web presence with your banal claptrap. The voices careening around your empty skull do not constitute cogent or even interesting commentary. Shove off, asshole.

  • jj

    Hi O, boy are we testy. i see I touched a nerve. I don’t have a problem making deals with regimes that are repressive. My point is so what’s the big deal if a Muslim group takes over in Egypt. Why support Mubarack if the Egyptian people want him out.

    Why are we paying the Mubarak regime 2 billion dollars a year when our country is going broke? That’s crazy!

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    Hey Ferd, you remember yesterday when I said that the trolls really don’t bother me that much?  That was a stupid statement, and I plan on being much more intolerant in the future . . .
    ======================
    Well, oowawa, intolerance of abject ignorance and abyssmal stupidity do not constitute intolerance. It’s called discretion. The trolls/obamatrons who squat here are the dregs of humanity.

  • Kathleen Wynne

    Katmoon,

    First, Thanks Rev. Amy for bringing this very important and often ignored issue, front and center in recognizing the insanity that such a law even exists in the Muslim religion!

    To Katmoon:  I have an idea.  If for some insane reason, our government allows Sharia Law to exist in the U.S., then women of the “Katmoon Underground” shall create their own Sharia Law for men!

    One of the punishment for men hitting, beating, raping or killing a female family member is to have their dick’s cut off and then beaten with a cane by the woman he “dishonored”, along with the women of her family until he is unconscious.  If he survives, then it’s “Allah’s will”.  If he doesn’t, that’s “Allah’s will too!”   

    Let’s face it, Sharia Law exists for the primary purpose of men  controlling women under the false guise of it being their ”religious belief”.  I’m certain Allah, Mohammed, God, Jehovah or whoever, would not approve of religion being used by men to further their hatred and control over the other half of the human race.

    Frankly, the way such a large portion of the male population has become addicted to porn or pays for sex with young girs who are kidnapped and held prisoner and forced to have sex with these sick pricks, it’s no wonder many defend Sharia Law. 

    I think it’s time for men to question what kind of sick psychosis is carried in the “Y” chromosome that they can blindly accept this kind of behavior either in themselves or in other men, and why they haven’t joined the women they supposedly love in expressing their outrage over such behavior.  Men need to ask themselves, “would they want their daughters to be subjected to this kind of law?”  If not, then no man’s daughter should.  It’s just that simple, but men, in large part, remain indifferent to it’s horror in the treatment of women.  Why?

    Perhaps, men need to stop worshiping their penis and calling it religion.

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    Why are we paying the Mubarak regime 2 billion dollars a year when our country is going broke? That’s crazy!
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    Our country is going broke because of boobs like you, junior jerkoff, who get a government handout for doing nothing. Get a real job and stop bothering the adults here at NQ. Of course, your getting a job would mean that you would have to a talent for something other than refereeing the conflicting voices clamoring for your limited attention span.

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    Why are we paying the Mubarak regime 2 billion dollars a year when our country is going broke? That’s crazy!  
    =============  
    Our country is going broke because of boobs like you, junior jerkoff, who get a government handout for doing nothing. Get a real job and stop bothering the adults here at NQ. Of course, your getting a job would mean that you would have to possess a talent for something other than refereeing the conflicting voices clamoring for your limited attention span.

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    Why are we paying the Mubarak regime 2 billion dollars a year when our country is going broke? That’s crazy!    
    =============    
    Our country is going broke because of boobs like you, junior jerkoff, who get a government handout for doing nothing. Get a real job and stop bothering the adults here at NQ. Of course, your getting a job would mean that you would have to possess a talent for something other than refereeing the conflicting voices in your empty skull clamoring for your limited attention span.

  • POdVet

    As long as the Muslim religion keeps hold of it’s tennats, that as long as the person you are dealing with is not a muslim. It is not a sin to lie, cheat, rob, or murder them. I will favor buying all muslims a ticket to the holy land for Rahmadan. Evacuate Israel and NUKE the entire middle East!

  • JB in VA

    This alone should be enough to condemn Islam — and yes, I mean the entire “religion”. Most sane people have enough sense not to take the ravings of a murderous, pedophiliac desert madman seriously. Every real religion in this day and age understands that in moral terms the modern idea of human dignity, equality and intrinsic worth is lightyears beyond the barbarous, punitive practices their religious forebears may have extolled 1000 or 2000 or 3000 years ago. 

    WTF is WRONG with these people? When I think of the terror and pain this poor child experienced over the last days of her life at the hands of her own people, it breaks my heart. 

    But it also makes me furious.  This same sort of torture and murder is happening all over the Islamic world, to females of all ages — babies, girls, women — for all sorts of ginned up ”reasons”, or for no reason at all, in public and in private, and all of it is being done official “religious” approval. Sick f*cking bastards.  One report I saw of this incident reported that this type of punishment is inflicted on hundreds girls each year in Bangladesh alone.  Every year nearly a million babies and young girls in the Islamic world die from female genital mutilation. 

    And yet we’re supposed to believe that only a tiny percentage of Muslims on the fringe are the problem.  

    Thanks, RRRA. This is a horrible but very important subject.

  • oowawa
  • armymom

    Hi Jihaddy, no where in my post did I say that you didn’t have to accept Jesus. You have not read the Bible or you would see that Romans 11 2-3 No, God has not discarded his own people whom HE CHOSE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. Romans 10 18 – 19 But what about the Jews? Have they heard God’s Word? Yes, for it has gone wherever they are; the Good News has been told to the ends of the earth. And did they understand that God would give his salvation to others if they refused to take it? Yes, for even back in the time of Moses, God had said that he would make HIS PEOPLE jealous and try to wake them up by giving his salvation to the foolish heathen nations. (through Jesus, my words).

    So sorry dude, but the Jews are God’s chosen people. We’re allowed to join them and be part of the family of God through Jesus’s salvation, but God still considers the Jews, his chosen people.

    You’ve been taught wrong. You can “brag” all you want about how well versed you are in the Bible, but even God counts that as foolish because if you think you’re well versed by the worlds’ standards, then you know nothing.

    You’re talking about salvation. I’m talking about God’s chosen people.

  • oowawa

    Yes, Ellen and Ferd.  This is the most repulsive group of troll comments that I’ve yet seen on NQ.  They reach beyond mere trollish ignorance and well into the nasty outer limits of lunacy.  These people are lost in space . . .

  • tango

    “The Muslim Brotherhood goal is not bring Sharia law back.”

    Why would you need to bring something back that never left??  Sharia law is the only “real and just” law of Muslims.  So even if they follow local laws also, they never give up Sharia law.  Especially in matters of great importance.

    I just don’t get the double standard. If some religious Christian wacko used the bible to justify marrying off 12 year old girls, male sex with pre-pubescent boys,  stoning or beating girls to death even if they are forcibly raped in front of other people, force women to have babies they don’t want and likewise, force them to abort babies they do want, force them to wear clothing that covers them head to toe, not to talk to anyone of the opposite sex above the age of 5 years old, to quietly accept beatings at the hands or their husbands or fathers and not get any education beyond that of (maybe) elementary school, and calling for their young men to go out and wage religious war and impose death if necessary on those who oppose their teachings, the liberals would not call for “religious tolerance”.  They would rightly be upset about the mistreatment and abuse of women and children and the religions call to overtake other people.  Even so, number wise, the kind of Christian religion wackos who practice extreme cruelty to women and children is limited. They don’t have a legal code that they follow that supercedes the countries legal system with the government ok’ing it.  (see France).  They aren’t the ruling class of any one country, nor do their followers number over 1 billion. Even if some of those Christian religious fanatics let their women work outside the home or talk to someone of the opposite sex if supervised or not marry until they’re 18 years old doesn’t mean they aren’t still choosing to side themselves with a religion that still condones extreme violence.

    But a person claims they’re muslim and does all those things, and it’s ok to the majority of the left.  They then see Moderate muslims as the majority instead of realizing that be moderate in the Muslim world is in itself, against Muslim law. So why are their any moderate muslims? Because it’s convenient to be so or because they are condoned to be so to pull the wool over other peoples eyes. That’s why the “moderate” muslim in NY who’s wife finally got tired of the beatings she got from her husband, decided to leave him. They were in America and she knew she could have the freedom she’d never get if they went back home. So her “moderate Muslim” husband responded by cutting off her head.  He was only moderate as long as it was convenient for him and in context of where he was living – America. But when it came time to actually putting his moderation to the test and showing his wife respect and allowing her to choose for herself what kind of future she wanted,  he resorted to extreme measures.   We also have that “moderate” muslim father who’s daughter was in the Harry Potter movies. We know he’s moderate because he allowed his daughter to act in movies which no strict Muslim would ever allow. But when she decided to date a non-Muslim boy, her father and brother beat her, told her to marry a Muslim or die, threatened to send her back to Bangledesh to an arranged marriage and her mother called her a prostitute.   

    So when the left realizes that the Muslim religion should be called out for ANY violence or teachings of violence against women and children and innocent people because it’s just WRONG, then I’ll think they really give a damn. 

  • Katmoon

    I didn’t get one either OA. =-X

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    No “Hi” for me, either. Junior jihadist must be pissy about being called on its drivel.

  • oowawa

    Exactly.  Nicely expressed, JB.

  • oowawa

    Hilarious, HC123.  This thread has been a weird mix of heartbreaking events, ridiculous and disgusting trolls, and very sharp wit . . .

  • oowawa

    Hilarious, HC123.  This thread has been a weird mix of heartbreaking events, genuine compassion, ridiculous and disgusting trolls, and very sharp wit . . .

  • oowawa

    And oh yes, I left out the most important ingredient: rage . . .

  • armymom

    Read Romans again, or heck just start from the beginning for the Bible and read carefully, very carefully.

    But Romans should answer your questions, and for you, especially 18-28. and Romans 3, which BTW is after Romans 2 28 for a reason.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    It boggles my mind the attempts to defend the Muslim Brotherhood, or even Sharia Law.  There is no defense for either of them.  And this current meme, put out by the MB, of course, that they are a peaceful lot is just laughable.  Again, this organization gave birth to AL QAEDA and HAMAS.  September 11 was not that long ago, and they are trying to claim they have changed their stripes?  Spare me.  That is just absurd.

    This level of naivete is just shocking.  But that the defense is coming from the same people who bought all of Obama’s BS says it all. 

  • ~~JustMe~~

    WTF jj, why don’t I get a “HI”?

    Count yourselves lucky, last thing you need is a Hi, from that !!!!!!!

  • Diana L. C.

    The history of Islam always seemed to me to point to the idea that it united the Arab world in a political–no necessarily religious–way.  I know there are ways you get good out of bad and bad out of good.  And certainly Christianity has been used often and horribly over the centuries for political purposes, too.  But, there is so much in the way of pursuing  war as the basis of much of Islam’s teaching.

    And to leave out women entirely except as seeming possessions is the most telling point against it.

  • oowawa

    Great rant, Tango.  Bravo!

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    And you and your readers also like to censor points that you disagree with. Kind of lame, given all you Tea Party types who constantly talk about freedom etc. etc. lame
    ====================
    Your “points” are not yours but are cut and pasted from other sources, which you then claim as your own. Aside from the simple truth that the garbage you cut and paste is incorrect, it is also plagiarism on your part. You aren’t capable of an original thought because you are an automaton.

  • Katmoon

    True that Rev Amy; worse it is the living example of how stupidity can get people killed; the uninformed a-historical moron o voters who really have a belief system based on magical thinking will end up making Lady Macbeth’s hands look lily white. So this is a shout out to all the fools out there who have any defense of sharia law; you go live under it, better yet, encourage your sons to begin practicing it, and prepare your daughters for it, you will be the first to have to provide that example of obiedience, and don’t worry if you don’t get it “right” after several beatings, hopefully your husband will be kind and kill you quickly instead of having you caned to death or some other method now used and accepted . And I have to ask, and hopefulyl someone will know, is there some connection between black liberation theology and muslim extremism? I need to have some kind of understanding as to why there is such a specific support (generalizing) in the black community in the United States for Islam; someone help me here. Given a history of slavery, I do not grasp the support of extremists who would practice sharia law; is this really because the president is seemingly supportive? If that is the case, I do not want to ever hear the word racist used again, period.

  • oowawa

    The days of the Inquisition are long gone.  Now we’ve got a handful of lunatics–the Westboro Baptist Church–who attract big news stories because they are so obnoxious and nuts, but they aren’t killing anybody, as far as I know.  The Muslim problems have been going on for centuries and are endemic to the religion.  It makes my skin crawl . . .

  • +

    HC123,

    Not sure what your point is from your post. It does not make much sense.

    Amy is trying to equate the Muslim Brotherhood and therefore somehow Obama to the worst interpretations of Sharia law. First, there are many different interpretations of Sharia law. Second the Muslim Brotherhood is a moderate islamic group, which largely promotes women’s rights. Third, how cares because the MB have no chance of taking over Egypt. And finally, Obama has nothing to do with any of this.

    Amy has had a very disingenuine as usual, serious of posts.  Amy also rights on topics she has no particularly knowledge of.

  • Katmoon

    With regard to the statement I am referring to men only; I have seen women of all factions convert to Islam, here in the United States; but not so with men. I am not trying to intice a racial argument, this is stricktly speaking about what I have observed and experienced. I have had more contact in discussion with men who have converted, not women; and mostly because I had no desire to speak to the women at all,( have previously learned from some that this was a “cool” thing to do, plus a neat way to piss parents off-stupid girls) but did want to know why the men had converted. I am speaking about Americans of prior Christian faiths, or non practicing becoming Muslim, especially amongst 20 somethings.

  • Katmoon

    Mine too Oowawa; there is a big difference between the sanctioned and supported murdering and rape of females; and idiot, fool hearty morons who think it is somehow cool to go to military funerals and hurl vulgarities at the families in an act to entice further hatred and to do as much damage as they can verbally in the name of no God anyone has every believed in- these shitheads worship cruelty and hatred and think they are righteous-The MB says little other than the word “guilty” when it comes to abused females and feels not only righteous  but obligated to publically shove their punishments in the face of the rest of the world. There will always be some barbarian who will stick up for both of these two groups; I say barbarian because it is a deliberate act of hatred not just some misguided Darwin candidate who believes that half the species can be DISPOSED of.

  • Katmoon
  • Onofre’s arm

    Could jj be Tommy Wiseau? It would explain much.

  • Katmoon

    Several videos here regarding Muslim “Scholars” discussing the proper method for wife beating- such and elightened group(sarcasm off)

    http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2009/02/islam-and-wife-beating-muslim-scholars.html

  • Katmoon

    Pay special attention to the first video/scholar(douchebag) who names the three types of women who would be impossible to live with unless they are beaten; I shit you not.

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    Those useless fuckers ought to be imprisoned for cause. So much for a peaceful religion. Peaceful for whom? Come on obots, enlighten us as to the appropriateness of the content of the linked videos. Tell us how great this religion is. Show us your true colors, + and junior jihadi.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Preach it, Sister Katmoon!

  • oowawa

    Perfect, Oa!

  • JimTicehurst

    Another Excellent Presentation Amy..Informative…Accurate..and Your Focus on These barbaric..Inhumae Acts of Violence against Women is Right On..
    They are Disgusting..and Vile..done in the name of “Religion”..No Loving GOD would condone these acts..Thats the difference between us and them..

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    The Muslim problems have been going on for centuries and are endemic to the religion.  It makes my skin crawl . . .
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    Mine, too, oowawa.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Allah says

    Wife Beating Etiquette

  • oowawa

    Absolutely a great find, Katmoon.  This says it ALL.  Thank you.

  • FlDemFem

    Saudi Arabia didn’t outlaw slavery until 1960. They did so reluctantly under massive international pressure. De facto slavery is still common in Saudi Arabia. The reason we support them is they have the oil we want. It has been that way since oil was discovered in the Arabian peninsula. It’s the only card the Saudis have in their deck. As soon as we switch to other energy sources, such as natural gas of which we have an abundance, we can ditch the Saudis.

  • oowawa

    Ghastly . . . Monsters!!!  I would like to believe that this is a bad joke, that someone has dubbed in phony subtitles, but I suspect this is only wishful thinking . . .

  • helenk

    When Lous Farakhan was promoting the million man march on Washington, I worked with some black people who thought this was wonderful. I stayed out of the discussion until I was asked my thoughts.
    I told them I would send him a set of black sheets. Everyone was shocked. How could I compare him to the KKK?
    easy
    KKK  hates  jews- catholics – blacks

    Farakhan hates jews- catholics  -whites

    I am catholic both sides hate me. Hate comes in all colors and is never right.
    It shocked them but it did make them think.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

  • Concerned

    As a proud father of 2 brilliant daughters, I stand shoulder to shoulder with you on this.

    Personally, I think we should castrate every sex offender. After all, if they behave like monsters, why should we treat them like humans?

  • FlDemFem

    Nooooooo…nuns with rulers, strict nuns. Hehehe.

  • sowsear

    Speaking of females going along with Islam and Sharia law, what’s with the oh-so-smart MO… Doesn’t she smell the coffee yet?

  • rw

    that’s a good question for all of us. but, we know the answer: money.
    SA guaranteed cheap petro (relatively) so mummy could drive that suburban (do they have bathrooms in them?), pops could drive his middle-aged marketed sports sedan….and for American Business (the economist feb5-11) they “Never had it so good”…”Exxon 53% incease in fouth quarter profits”

    as a sideline question, what is the US umempoyment, underemployed, no longer looking for work, not earning a liveable wage %..

  • sowsear

    I still say Freeze them out. Do not answer them, even tangentially..they will go away.

  • oowawa

    Unbelievably creepy . . . This all reminds me of the scenes between Jack and Lloyd at the bar in Kubrick’s The Shining.  As you will remember, Lloyd “disciplined” his family for being naughty . . .

  • oowawa

    Unbelievably creepy . . . This all reminds me of the scenes between Jack and Grady in Kubrick’s The Shining.  As you will remember, Grady “disciplined” his family for being naughty by chopping them up with an axe.  It is chilling because he talks about it in such a normal voice.  He is just “correcting” them . . . much like these imam assholes . . .

  • helenk

    I read this and cried. For the rape victim , for her family who have to live with it.  How twisted is that culture the parents are afraid not to bring their child forth to be whipped?
    Islam has no redeeming value and should be ostrocised by the rest of the world.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/04/bangladeshi-girl-whipping-fatwa

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBAS,EQUALS, AND THOSE CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

  • Kathleen Wynne

    Concerned,

    Thank you.  If all men had your sensitvity and empathy for women, the world would be a better place for us all.

  • oowawa

    “to bring your child forth to be whipped . . . “  If God was watching, he wept….   And yet . . .

    Mr. Obama described the Moslem call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    All gussied up on the outside but rotten to the core, oowawa.

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    I hate “liking” this but feel it is important.

    Christ.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Indeed, Jim – how anyone can claim the divine would condone, no, DEMAND, this kind of treatment of anyone, is anathema.  It is disturbing, as is the justification for it by too many on the Left.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    HOLY CRAP, Katmoon.  That video made me ill.  I am thinking of a FB friend who is upset with me since I posted the article abt Obama insisting the MB be a part of the transition team, and that I called what Obama is doing a coup.  What ELSE do you call it when a government is overthrown, especially by another government? 

    If we marshalled at the Mall, demanding Obama be thrown out because he forced an unConstitutional policy on us, like Obamacare (AHEM), and the Russians came in telling him he had to step down, what would we call that?  Better yet, they started talking to our MILITARY abt getting us out, what would we call that?  Is it not a coup? 

    And he keeps insisting the MB isn’t really that bad, ’cause, you know, they don’t really want violence (what is Sharia Law if not violent, not to mention Al Qaeda and Hamas)…He is appalled that I don’t support their call for DEMOCRACY.  I reminded him that WE do not have a democracy – we have a Republic.  There is a big difference.  Liberty is one thing – democracy is alrogether different.  That is what the Iranians wanted, too…

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    If we marshalled at the Mall, demanding Obama be thrown out because he forced an unConstitutional policy on us, like Obamacare (AHEM), and the Russians came in telling him he had to step down, what would we call that?  Better yet, they started talking to our MILITARY abt getting us out, what would we call that?  Is it not a coup? 
    =====================
    It certainly represents complicity in a coup. That One and his supporters don’t think more than a single step down the path they’re headed, which is unfortunate for the rest who are forced along for the ride.

  • helenk
  • oowawa

    Well, I don’t worship my penis.  In fact, if it acts up, I give it a good spanking . . .

  • oowawa

    “Perhaps, men need to stop worshiping their penis and calling it religion.”

    Well, I don’t worship my penis.  In fact, if it acts up, I give it a good spanking . . .

  • Concerned

    Kathleen, 1 step at a time I suppose :(

    But we will make this world a better place!

  • jj

    If Jews are the “chosen people” then why did St. Paul convert?

    If you believe that the Jews are now God’s chosen people, then you are not a Christian and that is not Christianity. It’s that simple.

    Christianity, as taught by a former Jew St. Paul, says all people, including Jews, have to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior.

    It was St. Paul who said, “there is no longer Jew or Greek (gentile), but all are one in Chist.”

    What you believe in is not Christianity. You are welcome to believe it. I’m just calling you out on it.

  • jj

    “stop bothering the adults here at NQ”.

    You’re an adult?

  • jj

    The truth hurts. When you lose an argument you resort to name calling. It’s a sign of your limited inteliigence.

  • SeriouslyStrongWoman

    HI armymom, LOL
    If I am ever in a FOX HOLE fighting for my life, I Want you THERE with me, haha!!  GIVE THE RACIST JJ HELL, talking about being a CHRISTIAN when she came to this blog calling us RACIST for defending SWEET WHITE SARAH, HYPROCITE!! 

    HI JJ, ROFL, the new CIVIL TACTIC FROM THE OBAMA CHURCH FEB. NEWS LETTER, LOL!!
    ————–
    Hi Jihaddy

  • armymom

    I feel sorry for you. I have not argued the fact that salvation through Jesus is the ONLY way to HEAVEN. NOt once. But what I am telling you is something that you are afraid to see. I don’t know if it has anything to do with the fact that if you actually see it, you would have to change your anti-semitic ways. I have given you many examples, by Paul, in Romans and you choose not to see it. I don’t know if it’s jealousy, or your hatred. Yes, all have to accept Jesus as their savior for their salvation, even the Jews. However, there are many places in Romans and others after Paul that separate out Gentiles from Jews. God chose the Jews from the beginning and that’s a fact. He doesn’t lie, and He doesn’t change. The words from Paul were not put down in Romans just to fill space. There are reasons why they are there and that is to emphacize that God chose the Jews because of Abraham and the promise he made to Abraham. The Jews eyes have been blinded,but that is only temporary so that us Gentiles have a way to Heaven. But the Bible clearly states that the Jews will finally accept Christ and there will be great rejoicing because they are God’s special people. I’m just callin you out on it.

    Now, I’m done discussing religion on Larry’s site. There are many here who are of different faiths, or not faith at all and this is not a site for religious discussion. I will not take up anymore of his band width to keep pointing out scriptures that you just pick and choose to ignore. I’m not sure if it’s just from ignorance or from wrong teaching and therefore that has led to your hatred for the Jews. That has been evident in your posts of anti semite stories that you post. At any rate, this discussion is now over. I will pray for your eyes to open and that you somehow come to peace with your hatred of the Jewish people. After all, you shouldn’t want to post those anti semite stories if you truly believe that you are equal with the Jews and that they’re not God’s chosen people as you believe. There should be no need for you to do that now should there?

  • armymom

    I don’t like arguing about religion. But I also will not sit back and have someone tell something that just isn’t true, no matter how bad they want it to be. If the Jews are not God’s chosen people, then there would have been no need for Jesus to be a Jew, he could have been from Yonkers. There would be no need in the Bible to have the final battle in Israel, it could be in the Arizona desert. And there would be no need for the new “city” Jeruselam to come down from the sky. It could be Seattle or Cairo. The trouble is jj is arguing salvation vs God’s chosen people, they are intertwined but separate. He/she is not willing to concede that. I think there’s been a lot of hatred taught to jj concerning Israel.

    And believe me, there are better people than me that you should want in your Fox Hole. Although I would be honored, I am not worthy.

  • jj

    Hi armymom, I notice you didn’t respond to my quote from St. Paul that there was no longer any Jew or Greek (gentiles), but all are one through Christ. That is what i believe. That is the essence of Christianity. You don’t believe that. You believe Jewish people are chosen. That’s heritical to Christianity.

    By the way, the prophet Muhamad believed as you do. That there was no reason to convert the Jews and that the Jewish people were chosen.

  • jj

    Hi armymom, below is an interesting article discussing the heresy of “Christian Zionism”. The article will do a better job explaining the heresy better than I can.
    I hope you read it and take its message to heart.

    The Heresy of Christian Zionism:

  • jj

    Hi Kat.

  • jj

    Hi Farouk!