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What Really Happened to Lara Logan, Who Wasn’t The Only One…

More and more information is coming out about the treatment women reporters in Egypt have been enduring for some time now. The horrendous attack on Lara Logan seems to have opened the floodgates for other women journalists to acknowledge with what they have been dealing for years now. That many of them felt they had to suffer in silence lest they be seen as “weak” by their male counterparts, who, as noted in Angella Johnson’s piece below, have no qualms speaking out when they are beaten, is troubling.

But first, an update on what Lara Logan, CBS foreign correspondent, endured at the hands of the 200 strong gang of men who attacked her. Let me tell you this is not for the faint of heart. From the Daily Mail:

[snip] The 39-year-old foreign correspondent for CBS News show 60 Minutes was separated from her film crew in Cairo on February 11 and surrounded by as many as 200 men in Tahrir Square at the height of the anti-Mubarak demonstrations.

According to one source, reported in The Sunday Times newspaper, sensitive parts of her body were covered in red marks that were originally thought to have been bite marks.

After further examination they were revealed to be from aggressive pinching.

It has also been revealed that she was stripped, punched and slapped by the crowd, which was labelling her a spy and chanting ‘Israeli’ and ‘Jew’ as they beat her.

And medical sources have revealed that marks on her body were consistent with being whipped and beaten with the makeshift poles that were used to fly flags during the demonstration.

An unnamed friend of the reporter told The Sunday Times: ‘Lara is getting better daily. The psychological trauma is as bad as, if not worse than, the physical injuries. She might talk about it at sometime in the future, but not now.’ [snip] (Click here to read the rest.)

Yes, I imagine it will be some time before she talks about this, and frankly, if she chooses never to talk about this in public, I would support her completely.

As noted, though, she is not the only one who has endured some form of sexual assault while in Egypt. While the other reports have not been as extreme as Logan’s, that they are so common is disturbing. Angella Johnson writes about her experience in this piece, “I Was A Mob Sex Attack Victim In Tahrir Square… Just Like Lara Logan”:

I was especially horrified to read of CBS journalist Lara Logan’s sex ordeal as she reported on Egyptians celebrating the toppling of President Hosni Mubarak – because I too was a victim.

I was a few hundred yards away in Cairo’s Tahrir Square last Friday, unaware that Lara – whom I had worked with at GMTV – was then desperately fighting off a mob of 200 rabid men in a sustained sex assault.

Now I can say what I have only told a few friends since my return: That I too was subjected to several sexual harassment attacks at the scene.

Although they cannot be compared to the trauma Lara suffered, they were deeply upsetting.

Regardless of the severity of the assaults, that these women, both journalists and citizens, have experienced these kinds of things so regularly is disconcerting, to say the least. But especially that so few media outlets reported this as a part of the story of the recent protests.

Back to Ms. Johnson:

The first happened soon after my arrival in the square with photographer Philip Ide.

At first it had seemed just the merest accidental brush of a hand on my bottom but within seconds I felt another, less hesitant stroke.

I ignored it and kept moving, firmly gripping Phil’s shirt so we would not be separated in the surge of bodies.

The hand behind me thrust forward again, this time boldly grasping a fair amount of jeans-clad flesh.

I turned round sharply and glared at a young man who stood out in a crisp bright purple shirt but studiously avoided looking at me. He was no more than about 19.

I suspected he was the culprit and in any other situation would have confronted him angrily.

But in the mass of excitable men, their passions inflamed by hectoring chants and revolutionary songs blaring through speakers, I knew it could have resulted in an angry escalation.

And that is just it. Any woman who has ever had someone touch them inappropriately has to gauge the situation and see if it is better to let it go than to speak up for herself. Just a sad reality with which women have to live:

[snip] Then, using the jostling of the crowd, he lunged forward clumsily and thrust his pelvis into my behind, while holding on to my shoulder with his right hand and attempting to encircle my waist with his left.

I reacted instinctively, surprising him with a sharp elbow to his torso and was rewarded with a muffled grunt.

Then I grabbed Phil, explained what had happened and asked him to walk behind me for the rest of the way. Purple shirt soon gave up the chase.

At this stage I didn’t feel particularly threatened or scared. Having travelled the world extensively for work and pleasure, I have been in more frightening situations.

With hindsight, I realise I was also lulled into a false sense of security – as no doubt Lara was – because the crowd largely comprised happy, smiling people.

Even when several youths brushed against me in an intimidating way, some muttering suggestively in Arabic, I felt more annoyance than fear.

[...]

When I got caught in the middle of one particularly boisterous group, they mobbed me and several attempted to grope and fondle my body.

For a moment I was nervous – I could see Phil’s head but several bodies were between us – then I got angry and pushed back. Luckily, I managed to wriggle my way out of their grasps. [snip]

Ms. Johnson was lucky indeed to be able to escape the grasp of these men, to put it mildly. And thank heavens she did. But there is more to this:

[snip] It never occurred to me to complain to my bosses. I have never wanted to give male colleagues any reason to treat me differently.

But what happened to Lara has given women like me a chance to tell our story, like the time in South Africa when I fled a Zulu after he pushed his hand down my blouse.

Or the occasion in Qatar when I fought off a sheikh in full traditional dress trying to force his way into my hotel room.

I have had my breasts grabbed in Turkey, been chased by a gang of men while walking down the street in Morocco and generally treated like a piece of meat on a previous visit to Egypt.

That was why I arrived in Tahrir Square armoured in jeans, a baggy, long sleeve top and with my hair covered with a knitted hat.

No doubt, as a woman friend has said to me: ‘In their minds, you and Lara were just two “infidel whores”, the kind of sexually-liberated women they see in films and videos, or the ones who visit on holiday, get drunk and have liaisons with local men.’

There are those who believe women like Lara should not cover stories where they could find themselves in danger.

Some British and U.S. male commentators have suggested that in some way she was responsible for the attack because she’s petite and attractive
.(Emphasis mine.)

Others have suggested she has ‘form’ for dressing provocatively.

I find such comment offensive. No one ever says a male journalist asked for it if he gets beaten up. And I could not have covered up more – apart from wearing a burka.
(Click here to read the rest.)

This is upsetting in many regards, that these kinds of assaults happen routinely to women is bad enough. But when they are BLAMED for them for essentially just BEING, as opposed to holding the perpetrators accountable, is adding insult to injury. It is NOT Logan’s fault she was attacked by 200 rabid men. It is THEIR callous disregard for women that is to blame.

This is not new. This has been going on against women journalists in that area of the world for some time. It begs the question, though, why has our media chosen to ignore these attacks? Because it would affect their narrative?

This is a bigger picture problem. The treatment of women, whether abroad or at home, must be taken seriously. No more blaming the victim, or justifying the assaults. It is wrong, it is a violation of not just women’s rights, but human rights, and it must be treated as such. I am glad Secretary Clinton has weighed in on Lara Logan’s attackers, but that is just the beginning.

Perhaps it is time the United States started to play hardball with those countries that treat women so disparately. Maybe when we have an administration for whom that is important, we will. Clearly, that time is not now. And that is just wrong.

  • slim

    What!  I CAN’T be first to comment on such an horrific story.   With full expectation that I will be flamed…even No Quarter readers are simply not interested in “women’s rights”.

  • Daisy Mae

    <!–StartFragment–>
    Thanks, RRRAmy.  Here is a link to an article by Andrew McCarthy: “Who Attacked Lara Logan, and Why?”  
     
    “The Koran pronounces that “Allah has made men superior to women” (Sura 4:34). As documented in “Sharia Law for Non-Muslims,” a study published by the Center for the Study of Political Islam, Mohammed declared that women are inferior to men in both intelligence and religious devotion (Bukhari hadith 1.6.301), and that women will make up most of those condemned to Hell. (Bukahri 7.62.132). Sexual abuse is encouraged not only by hadith but — as I related in discussing the recent case of a teenager flogged to death in Bangladesh — by sharia standards that make rape practically impossible to prove and subject women to a death sentence for adultery or fornication if they come forward with an accusation but cannot prove it.
     
    The unmistakable message at the core of sharia is that women, like non-Muslims, are less than fully human. It is a message we continue ignoring at the peril of tomorrow’s Lara Logans, and our own.”
     
    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/260288/who-attacked-lara-logan-and-why-andrew-c-mccarthy
    <!–EndFragment–>

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thanks for this. It is timely not only in terms of what happens in Egypt, but because March 3rd, a cleric from the UK, Anjem Choudary, plans a march at the White House to briing Sharia law here. I am not kidding. Indeed, as this article states, he wants Muslims in America to “rise up and establish Islamist state in America.”

    Wow.

  • helenk

    As long as their so-called religion finds no problem with such barbaric behavior it will never change.
    Just do not let such beliefs spread into other parts of the world, where it gives weak men an excuse to act in the same way.
    Stop all funding of islamic countries, why should my tax dollar go to support barbarism against women?

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

  • Daisy Mae

    RRRAmy and all:  Yes, the Choudary pro-Sharia March 3rd. Disgusting.
    And check out the following on the ABA by Pam Geller. I hope some lawyers weigh in on this one.  ”The American Bar Association (ABA) has decided to undertake the fight for Sharia law. The ABA’s Executive Counsel “has organized a Task Force to review the legislation of 14 states — Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Indiana, Louisiana, Mississippi, Nebraska, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah and Wyoming — in which anti-Sharia legislation has been introduced.” 

    The goal of the ABA’s Task Force is to fight against these legislative initiatives by free people, and to develop “an informal set of ‘talking points’ that local opponents of these initiatives could use to make their case in each of these states.”

     http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/the_abas_jihad.html

  • Cindy

    Rev. Amy—You hit the nail on the head: This is a violation of HUMAN rights, as well as women’s rights. Isn’t it a shame we have to remind people!
    And we all know that talking about this just in terms of “women’s rights” doesn’t mean squat to a patriarchy…..at least not so far.
     How sad to think that next month is Women’s History Month…..and nothing has changed for women compared to where we were last  year when we celebrated; in fact, some things are worse.
    Oh well…..we have to keep hope (and faith and charity) alive….As one of our clever NoQ posters said…”It’s on life-support”.

  • elaine

    RRRA, Rep Allan West & Peter King are trying to tackle this issue head on & the rest of them are just trying to be pc. West is still in need of funds to pay off campaign debts. West’s wife just sent out an appeal, she said it was his birthday so I sent him a few bucks.

  • Samb

    I imagine that these women must live in constant fear of 
    molestation, rape or beatings, it must feel like you are
    walking threw a field of land mines.

    I am glad Mrs. Clinton has weight in but that is what
    she should have done, but sooner.
    So were are the MEN? were is the acknowledgment that Sharia
    leads to crimes against women?

    It has taken me along time to learn about the crimes committed 
    under the name of religion and that has only been with the help of
    NOQUARTER and RRRA, but if I asked someone here an now,
    what Sharia was, they would have no Idea of what, I was talking about.
    Till our government announces that Sharia leads to crimes against 
    women  there will be no admiration from me.

    Thank you, for your blog RRRA,
    Knowledge is a powerful thing.
    Maybe somewhere there is a woman who is living in quiet desperation
    who will read this and realize, she doesn’t have to live in fear anymore.
    *DONT_KNOW*

  • Cindy

    Rev. Amy—-I had written ‘thanks for the post” but it got lost in re-write LOL…anyway, it goes without saying,,,but THANKS!

  • Cindy

    Rev. Amy—-I’ll bet N.O.W. and other Dems will give cleric Anjem Choudary a ride to the White House and join in the march!

  • SeriouslyStrongWoman

    RRRA,
    The WOMEN of the USA know how long it took for the courts to realize that when a woman says NO MEANS NO, it really MEANS NO!  Those other countries will never acknowledge that meaning and I sat and wondered as I read your compassionate article about how many sexual predators we have in the USA on a watch list and posted on National Web Sites to watch for to protect our children, but how many of those types of men in other countries go unnoticed, unreported and PROTECTED just laid in wait for the right moment to seek out the one girl they were watching all along and that night may have finally achieved their goal.  You know those girls and women will never tell bc look at the poor 14 yr. old you did the story on, its was her fault according to THEM!!  It is insane and I am sure Jesus is crying right now bc he is seeing what we didn’t and will never know!  Thank you for staying on top of women’s issues=human rights!  Another thing to note, WOMAN NEED TO LEARN HOW TO PROTECT THEMSELVES, take a course in kick boxing, or assault defense and LEARN TO SHOT A GUN AND CARRY IT WITH YOU, pepper spray and I have a can of red spray paint in my car to make sure if I am attacked or my daughters, that I will know them in a line up!  There are many tricks woman can learn from taking a one day seminar, IMHO!!  NO MEANS NO and fight back if you can. 

    This just makes me so sad and knowing there is more out there and the one’s doing it according to many articles I have read are mostly the YOUNG MEN GENERATION that was taught this since birth! Just Disgusting!!
    THANK YOU, RRRA!!
    PS. My eye surgery is tomorrow, my daughter will post an update on the blog late afternoon, LOL! Thank you all for your prayers and support!  NOQUARTER is the absolute BEST with real JOURNALIST!!! 

  • Cindy

    Rev. Amy—-I’ll bet N.O.W. and other Dems will meet cleric Anjem Choudary at the airport, provide transportation for him to the White House………… and then join in the march!

  • creeper

    Ugh.  R3A, thank you for this.  I had previously expressed skepticism about this attack, lacking the details.  I regret that now.

    This is the face of Islam.

  • Samb

    SSW-
    Wishing you good luck and a speedy recovery.
    :)

  • ~~JustMe~~

    UGH! I hope not. Good Lord~

  • TeakWoodKite

    The psychological trauma is as bad as, if not worse than, the physical injuries….

    prayers

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Sadly, Cindy, I can see that happen. I am sure many Obama supporters will find a way to make this protest appetizing to their troops…

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    OHMYGODDESS – you have got to be kidding me. What is WRONG with the ABA??

    Cindy, where is that Honest Lawyer of yours? Perhaps he can shed some light on this “thinking.”

    Good grief!

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Sad, but true, Samb – most people haven’t the foggiest what it is. They just know that to say anything against anything related to Islam makes them Islamaphobic, so they back off.

    Shocking.

    And thank you – I appreciate the thoughtful responses by everyone!

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Indeed – I am glad your daughter is going to let us know!

    And yes, what happens to women under Sharia Law is horrifying. Ayaan Hirsi Ali has spoken abt that quite a bit, including what will happen if the Muslim Brotherhood gets a foothold in Egypt. She oughta know – she was once a member of it (she was young, and she said they were really the only game in town, plus they provided necessities their village could not. And that is how they suck people in. She, of course, got out…).

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Indeed, Teak. The physical will heal, the psychological/emotional/spiritual wounds will take quite a bit longer…

  • TeakWoodKite

    What do you say about crap like this?

    Four men slashed teacher’s face and left him with fractured skull ‘for teaching other religions to Muslim girls’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1359160/4-men-slashed-teachers-face-teaching-religions-Muslim-girls.html#ixzz1EixqMDdc 

  • Patti

    This is awful. Just sickening. By the description of the attack, she could have been killed. Bastards.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Teak, I appreciate you sharing that with us. It is incredible that this kind of thing could happen in London. Disturbing on so many levels…

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Indeed, Patti. Apparently, it went on for some time, too. Phyllis Chessler thinks that it wasn’t that a group of women waded into this frenzied mob of men, but rather went and got some Army men to intervene.

    Heartwrenching, the whole thing…

  • Boxer Mum 06

    What happened to Lara Logan is horrifying but unfortunately, it does not shock me in the least. While living in NYC in the late 80′s early 90′s, a friend of mine had a very tramatic experience. She was minding her business and going home from work on the subway. The train car was packed with daily commuters. She was dressed in a long, black trench coat. There was a man standing behind her and kept pushing into her. There was nothing she could do b/c the train was so crowded and just assumed it was due to the crowd.

    When she got off the train and was walking up the terminal to leave, she discovered he had left her a ‘present’ all over the back of her coat. She felt totally violated. Did anyone witness this pervert beating off behind her on her coat? If they did, no one bothered to say anything. 

  • Cindy

    Rev. Amy—Honestlawyer is knee-deep in trial work right now, but i did manage to call him this morn as he was driving in to Austin, and tell him about it. He said he was appalled! Never has been a member of ABA, cause he can’t stand ‘em, but  thinks it’s a new low even for them!

    BTW-OT– He is a chapter in the new Calvin Trillin book…Calvin inteviewed him (for The New Yorker) in 1984 about  one of his AG cases..Anyway, he’s excited to be included in Trillins Texas stories….I’ll tell him you asked about him..and hopefully he can get back with you soon!

  • helenk

    AP news
    Iraqi immigrant found guilty of 2nd degree murder in honor killing of his daughter in Arizona.

    One small step for women

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thanks for that, helenk – yes, one small step indeed.

    And Boxer Mum, UGH. I hate that your friend had that experience. What a violation.

  • catherine

    Hey RRRA, thank you for staying on top of the Lara Logan story. This is an EXTREMELY important story regarding misogyny in general and the depraved inhumanity displayed towards women in some “cultures”.

    I agree that weak western “men” are attracted to islam because this “religion” gives them free rein to justify their primitive base natures. Only strong men have left the neanderthal ancestor where he rightly belongs….milleniums behind.

    A little bit off topic but not by much. The problem we (the West) is facing re the islamic world is not only some of their religious tenets but in some cultures more than others there is the very serious damage done to their gene pool as a consequence of centuries of inbreeding amongst 1st cousins. Pakistan is at the top of the list (this explains so much) followed closely by Saudi Arabia. While Pakistanis are a minority in the UK they account for about 1/3 of all birth defects in the UK! 55% of all Pakistani marriages in the UK are between 1st cousins and about 40% in Pakistan!

    A country where half it’s population is made up of inbreds has no business having nuclear weapons! WTF?!?!

    I don’t believe it’s a muslim thing per se but rather a tribal one. However, it’s far more prevalent in the muslim world than anywhere else. Take a look at the global map of http://www.consang.net.

    And before anyone accuses me of muslim bashing, I’M NOT! Political Correctness is not going to make these issues go away.

    The challenge to the West is much greater than I had once thought. Not only are we being threatened with beliefs that are incompatible with Western Civilization we also have to deal with a large number of people who’s gene pool may be irreversably damaged. This is frightening.

    http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/02/09/marriage-between-cousins-faces-ban/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WArDxFmt7Zs

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Catherine, thanks – it is an important story. What happened to Logan is a systemic problem.

    And good grief abt the genetics issue. I admit – I had no idea. Thanks for the information, C!

  • Candy

    I’m wondering, where is the outrage from  the so-called “women’s groups” since the Lara Logan assualt incidence? These opinionated groups of women have been totally silence…actually, their silence is deafening!

  • oowawa

    This is what a feminist looks like!

  • Katmoon

    And I swear if I wasn’t visiting the kids you all would see me on the news with a shirt to identify myself as Katmoon, holding a sign that says: Sharia Law=Death to Women; yelling my head off.

  • Katmoon

    SSW, you take good care of you for this surgery, and know the eyes heal so quickly. We will be thinking of you.(HUGS)

  • Katmoon

    They are silent, we need some new voices. I mentioned on another thread I have every intention of getting to know my enemy (Art of War), against Sharia law, and will begin scouting out Koran classes I can take, preferably at a local Mosque(Ferd is not thirlled with this-going into the lions den)I want to know as much as I can, first hand. Also I want to really take time to continue that previous research we talked about RRA, where I am compiling the list of offenses committed in the US on Sharia law; we need to study what will be brought against our laws to make sure and snuf out any action that even tries to get a toehold of Sharia in the United States. I am a bright, paralegal, who will read and read and write and do what I can to see how we can make sure that no religious tenent er o.ual protion under the us law to conflict with the rights of half of the population, or actually more when you consider our gay family as well! I will go in  and learn, and I will do this quietly and with the expected modesty required to walk into the lions den.

  • +

    Amy,

    So now hopefully a more open, free and liberated Egypt will result in a better environment for women in Egypt.

    By the way women journalists have been sexually assaulted all over the world. This is not unique to Egypt. This link points to a few others in countries like Colombia, Mexico, the Congo, Iran, Pakistan, etc. Given that most cases are not report, I bet it even happens in the U.S.

    Documenting sexual violence against journalists

    http://www.cpj.org/blog/2011/02/documenting-sexual-violence-against-journalists.php

  • catherine

    Arkansas reporter Anne Pressly was raped and beaten to death in her own bed three years ago.

  • Katmoon

    Just thinking to myself here and wondering what part of woman abuse and mysogyny has a “better” part to it?…Still thinking, nope can’t find a single redeeming quality related to Islaam over women.

  • Katmoon

    Here in the United States, those who commit criminal acts against women are not excused by some religious bullshit, they are brought to justice when there is enough evidence and convicted and sent to serve time.  So to say do we have crimes against women here in the United States, sadly yes, are they based on some foolish ramblings framed as a religion, not anymore. The last group to try to get away with that were the polygamists. Violence against women in my/this country is rampant and ugly as well, mysogny is all too frequent the world over, the difference is here, currently you are not allowed to hide behind a belief system to explain away a sick mind that clearly hates women.

  • honestlawyermostly

    Rev. Amy– thanks for asking about me.  Sorry I have been away for so long but Cindy has been keeping me posted (no pun).  As to the ABA, I agree with Melvin Belli.  When he was kicked out, he said it was the equivalent of being kicked out of the Book of the Month Club.  I might even put it a little lower. 

    Having said that, i am very surprised that the ABA would show support for Sharia law– in fact I was so surprised that I looked through the ABA website with some care and could find nothing about it.  One reason I am surprised is that with all its faults, the ABA currently has multiple initiatives aimed at the elimination of abuse of women, discrimination against women, etc., etc. Support of sharia law would be in direct conflict with these many initiatives.

    I would not be surprised if the ABA opposed the Oklahoma amendment because that amendment also would prohibits courts from considering any international laws, a serious problem when litigation involves multi-national companies.  I also know that there is some concern among some about a possible conflict with the First Amendment and separation of church and state– that is, can a state forbid people from following religious laws so long as they also follow the state’s laws?  I wish someone could direct me to the ABA’s discussion of this task force initiative so I could try and put it in a context. 

    As always, thank you Rev. Amy for posting this very compelling story.  It is a sad reminder that we live in an uncivilized world populated by far too many people who either believe women have no value (other than as property) or who enable those who think that way.  

  • honestlawyermostly

    katmoon —I admire your courage and totally agree with your philosophy…but please  be careful. I know you will, because you’re very intelligent.
    Blessings on you and your household, dear Katmoon!

  • Cindy

    katmoon —I admire your courage and totally agree with your philosophy…but please  be careful. I know you will, because you’re very intelligent.  
    Blessings on you and your household, dear Katmoon!

  • Katmoon

    Thanks honestlawyer for giving us your take, its important.

  • Concerned

    <Quote>Some British and U.S. male commentators have suggested that in some way she was responsible for the attack because she’s petite and attractive.<Unquote>

    These bastards are sick. How dare they say such things? How dare they!

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    HonestLawyer, thank you so much for taking time away from your case work. I truly appreciate that.

    As I understand it, it is a Task Force they have gotten together to review the legislation in 14 states on this issue. I don’t know if that makes a difference or not in terms of their site…

    But thank you for your take on this. Very informative.

    CONGRATULATIONS on beign included in the Calvin Trillin book! Is it out now? It would be very cool to have a post on that (unless the info is more identifying than you want). When you or Cindy get a chance, let us know the name of the book. I can get the Admin to feature it to the right! :-D

    Again, thanks for taking the time to check into this, and to get back to us. So nice to hear from you (and glad your wonderful wife is keeping you – um – posted!).

  • Noogan

    Great blog post, RRRAmy, quite scary to read about their experiences. 

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Okay – just went to the article and the Task Force looked to have been formed in 2010, and was in the International Section (Oklahoma was mentioned). But the ABA wrote back and stated that they weren’t taking a position one way or the other abt Sharia Law, that some people were meeting to look into different issues abt it, etc., etc.

  • Katmoon

    I believe you can find the discussion on the task force initive on American thinker
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/the_abas_jihad.html

    Here is a fantastic comparison of sharia law side by side with the U.S. Constitution
    http://www.annaqed.com/en/content/show.aspx?pod=1&aid=16242

    Example:

    US Constitution
     
    Amendments 4 – 8 – These amendments prohibit unreasonable searches, require due process according to the law, provide for confrontation of witnesses, impose jury trial on all matters involving over $20, and prohibit excessive fines and cruel and unusual punishments.  Amendment 14 provides for equal protection of the laws for all citizens.
     
    Sharia Law
     
    No testimony may be made by people who have lowly jobs, such as a street sweeper or a bath house attendant, or non-Muslim. (o24.2-3)
     
    Testimony regarding fornication or sodomy requires four male eye-witnesses to the act. (o24.9)
     
    A woman’s testimony is worth only half that of a man. (o24.10)
     
    (There is no provision for a jury trial under Sharia Law.)
     
    Cruel and unusual Islamic punishments include 1) stoning for adultery (o12.2); 2) scourging 40 lashes with hands, shoes, ends of clothes, or a whip for drunkenness (o16.3); 3) severing the right hand for theft of over $36 and the left foot for a repeat offense (o14.1); and 4) death for apostasy from Islam. (o8.2)
     
    Indemnity for accidentally killing a male Muslim is 100 camels or 4,235 grams of gold. (Current value: $144,000.) Indemnity for killing a woman is half that of a man,  for killing a Jew or a Christian is one-third of the indemnity paid for a Muslim.  The indemnity paid for a killing Zoroastrian is one-fifteenth of that of a Muslim.  The indemnity for causing a miscarriage is one slave. (o4.9)
     
    There is no indemnity for a killing a non-Muslim at war with Muslims, an apostate, or someone sentenced to death by stoning. (o14.17)
     
    Jews and Christians are subject to a “poll tax” not less than 1 dinar (Current value: $144) per adult male per year. No maximum is stipulated. (o11.4)   This is a penalty for remaining in their ancestral religion instead of embracing the “religion of truth.” (o9.8)  
     
    A husband may beat a “rebellious” wife for 1) not allowing immediate sexual intercourse when he asks for it, at home, and if she can physically endure it; 2) answering him coldly; or 3) being averse when she was previously kind. (m5.1 and m10.12)  The only limitation is that he may not break her bones, wound her, or cause bleeding.   
     
    A great question asked on another site:
     
    But what if the due diligence of the Task Force uncovers the truth of the Islamic imperialistic imperative? It appears the Task Force has a priori mandate to suppress such truth.
     

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    I am pretty sure I have noted that horrific treatment of women is not isolated to one particular area of the world, but there are certainly degrees of difference.

    Or, to put it more succinctly, what Katmoon said.

  • oowawa

    I can’t believe we are even discussing this possibility.  Sharia Law is not going to happen in the USA.  I’ve been wrong before (quite often, actually), but this time I’m dead on.

  • Katmoon

    From your mouth to her/his ears.

  • honestlawyermostly

    Rev. Amy–thank you for the congratulations.  The book is out and is called “Trillin on Texas”, published by the University of Texas Press. The book is a collection of stories Mr. Trillin published in the New Yorker about Texas, one of which involved a case I handled when I was with the Attorney General.  I have a copy but I think the official release date is March 1.  As to a post, I am not sure what it would be.  I’m not that concerned about having my cover blown.  Hell, I’m a lawyer.  Worse things have happened to me.  BTW, one of the things I have missed most about not being able to visit No Quarter has been the opportunity to read and think about your posts, each of which is well thought out and well written.  Thanks for that.

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    Sharia Law is not going to happen in the USA.  I’ve been wrong before (quite often, actually), but this time I’m dead on.
    ================
    I agree. They won’t gain more than a tenuous toe-hold in this country. I know that the locals here would do a lot of other things before coming around to asking any questions, and that’s for sure.

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    Stop it, crosshairs. Your predilection for the irrelevant has grown more than wearisome. Put your money where your maw is and put on a bur’qua or shut up.

  • honestlawyermostly

    Rev. Amy– I saw the update to which you linked.  That sounds more like what the ABA would do.  The Okla amendment (and others) do raise some issues dealing with the constitution and international law but I seriously doubt that the ABA would ever condone Sharia law… some of its members might but not the organization.

  • honestlawyermostly

    Oowawa– I agree.  I think the more serious risk are the people will become enablers of those who practice the abuses of Sharia law within their families because of political correctness.

  • Deapster

    Excuse me, but this sounds pretty much like the dating scene in the USA. Been there had that done to me by US guys too. It’s a rough world out there for gals anywhere. But if you offend local sensibilities that are well known, it is hard to expect protections when most foreign men watch US made porno movies and learn all US women “want it”. Get real and get sophisticated before you stuff yourself out there and expect a cone of celestrial protection to surround your every move.

  • +

    Ferd,

    You sound like you have women issues. Why would you say: “put on a bur’qua or shut up.” Is that what you say to all the women in your life?

  • Madame deFarge

    I believe they are emboldened by Obama’s presidency.  Whether he is one of them in reaity or not is a moot point…they believe he is sympathetic to their way of life and cause through his actions.  We have never had these attacks on all fronts before his reign.  We must get him out of office and elect someone who will take on these attacks on our constitution head on and forget the PC crap.

  • Cathy in Ks.

    Thanks Rev. Amy for your insightful article.  I fear what happened to Lara Logan is not an exception but is something quite commonplace in that part of the world.  Many years ago, a co-worker (American) told me of her Egyptian experience in Cairo.  She accompanied her husband on a business trip to Egypt.  He was to be in Cairo for a few months.  However she left the country before her husband’s job was completed  because she was a virtual prisoner in the hot, filthy, fly-infested apartment in which they lived.  She could not leave the apartment without a male escort.  To sight-see or travel by herself was extremely dangerous.  Her husband, on the other hand was treated like royalty and loved the place. He didn’t understand his wife’s problems.  This was the “beginning of the end” of their marriage.
    I also have a sister who lived many years ago for about a year in Saudia Arabia with her first husband – also American.  They lived on an American compound.  Her husband left very early in the morning for his job.  My sister who finally found employment with an international firm, proof reading the firm’s correspondence that was written in “English”, could not even drive herself to work.  She had to have a male escort.  There was a “coffee boy” whose job it was to bring my sister and other employees their morning coffee.  He was a young Saudi male who frequently made passes at her.  Her protests to him didn’t stop his behavior and it was only when she went to the “top” that this young man’s outrageous behavior finally stopped. 

    Another incident my sister experienced while in Saudia Arabia reminded me of one of Ms. Johnson’s descriptions.  My sister and her husband were in a crowded open-air market.  Somehow my sister got separated from her husband.  She looked up to see if she could see her husband.  In doing so, she accidentally made eye contact with an Arab male standing close by her.  The next think she knew she felt the deliberate brushing of a hand across her crotch.  She moved away as fast as she could and didn’t look up again.  She literally found her husband by looking at the ground and people’s shoes.  She was very lucky.

    My sister also noted while attending a party for women only, that the Saudi women were dressed and made up in a seductive manner while the Western women like my sister were dressed in conservative business attire.  My sister was of the opinion that the women in Saudi Arabia – particularly those of the upper-class – had been so repressed and objectified that even when they were only with women, they still saw themselves only as “sexual objects”.  Very, very tragic!

  • Madame deFarge

    Sharia is in direct conflict with our constitution and they think they can erase it by chipping, chipping away at it.  We have to have legislators who are bold and unafraid of them…as the confrontation Allen West had with the guy from CAIR…a beautiful thing to watch.

  • BINKY

    I don’t know if this link has been posted but if half of the story about Lara Logan’s attack is true, it’s more than horrendous.  (H/T Radio Patriot):

    http://wizbangpop.com/2011/02/18/the-controversial-and-shocking-details-about-the-lara-logan-attack/

  • Madame deFarge

    Bravo Katmoon but be discreet and careful.  There’s no honor among these dogs.

  • Madame deFarge

    I agree.  Simply because it shouldn’t be that way doesn’t mean it isn’t.  Western women aren’t going to win this centuries old battle.  It has to be won by ME women.  Ambition at the stake of your safety is not smart.  There must hundreds of other ways to advance ones career than chance a “wilding” by a mob of filthy neanderthrals.

  • Madame deFarge

    Sickening.

  • JB in VA

    The ears don’t seem big enough, and the skin is a shade too light.  

  • elspeth

    I am as outraged as anybody on this subject, but before we jump to conclusions, we might want to consider that during the earliest (usually the most true) news, it was said there was no rape. Indeed, the whole thing sounds unlikely to me, and I have lived in the Middle East (admittedly a tame part of it.) A handy group of 20 soldiers and a handy group of women saving the day seems a little contrived.
    http://temorisblog.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/rape-women-stripped-what-really-happened-to-lara-logan/
    Nevertheless, it could happen, and any sort of assault (I was once almost a victim and only saved by group of three men who happened to be out on their porch at night) is terrible and my apologies if I offend anyone.

  • Prime Obot

    Slim, it has been my experience here that comments tend to be really light on postings that don’t directly lead to writing about how much you hate Obama. 

  • Cindy

    awwww…..A face only a mullah could love.

  • JB in VA

    Katmoon, this is a good summary, but one very important First Amendment item not discussed is Freedom of Speech, whereas under sharia “blasphemy” — anything deviating from, criticizing, or questioning the Koran or Mohammed, etc. — is punishable by death.  IMO this makes it impossible to reform and modernize Islam, as has happened with Christianity and Judaism:  Any Muslim who tries knows he/she can be charged with blasphemy and killed. 

  • +

    ” Dear right wing blogosphere and also Bill Maher: You can’t generalize about women’s position in Muslim countries based on a reprehensible mob attack on CBS reporter Lara Logan. Generalizing about a whole group of people based on a single incident is called “bigotry.” It is also a logical fallacy (for wingnuts challenged by six syllables in a row, that means, ‘when your brain doesn’t work right’) known as the ‘Hasty Generalization.’ Nobody seems to note that allegedly helpless Egyptian women were the ones who saved Logan, or that Anderson Cooper was also attacked.

    Some other examples of reporters or celebrities being assaulted by crowds are here and here. Wingnuts, and also Bill Maher, who do not immediately make generalizations on these bases about large groups of Westerners are wusses.
    Note to Muslim-hater Bill Maher, who should know better: It is not true that women cannot vote in 20 Muslim countries, and please stop generalizing about 1.5 billion Muslims based on the 22 million people in Wahhabi Saudi Arabia, the only place where women cannot drive and where men can vote (in municipal elections) but women cannot. It would be like generalizing from the Amish in Pennsylvania to all people of Christian heritage and wondering what is with Christianity and its fascination with horses and buggies.”

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