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Radioactive seawater off Japan . . . These over-the-top dreams seem to be inspired by Japan’s horrible experiences with nuclear energy . . .

I want to know what it means for the ocean and for all of us if plutonium is released in shallow and surface water. (I want to know what it means if it’s released deep as well…but, it seems like rain and the shallow water ecosystem, etc. will all be devestated by this.

 TEKO seems to be following the Obama strategy…say a bunch of different things, some horrible, some good, confuse the people so much that they no longer believe anything that’s said. Unfortunately, it’s effective.

 TEKO seems to be following the Obama strategy…say a bunch of different things, some horrible, some good, confuse the people so much that they no longer believe anything that’s said.
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In their defense (only postulating here), they may not themseleves know the full extent and exact nature of the problem yet.

If (a big if) the activity is that elevated, no one will be able to get close enough to ascertain the potential damage. This would have to be performed remotely using robotics, which might be problemmatic due to the physical damage done to the reactor.

Sudden darkening news from Fukushima includes a Reuters flash, now backed by a BBC report, that the water at Unit #2 is up to 10 million times normal,
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It would appear that a noun was left off the end of this sentence. Activity?

And we thought it a myth! Just wait, those Cesium ionizing neutrons will make it down to his den – then watch out!

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O/T

Ayers affirms he wrote  
Dreams from my Father  
 
American Thinker,  
by Jack Cashill     
 
Original Article  
 
3/27/2011  
 
Last Thursday evening at Montclair State University, with a video camera rolling, Bill Ayers volunteered that yes indeed he had written the acclaimed Barack Obama memoir, Dreams from My Father. (video embedded) Unprompted, Ayers also noted that while Dreams deserves its praise, Obama’s second opus, Audacity of Hope, is “more of a political hack book.”  
 
(snip) As was obvious in his speech at Montclair, Ayers does not like the application of force in Libya, and this may have been his own way of retaliating.

But, Ferd, they (and I mean whomever is responsible for the media response, and there has to be someone in charge of the whole) need to say that. People would understand if they came out and said it’s dangerous, we’re trying to get readings of the radiation levels but it’s too dangerous to get them and too hot for our equipment to read properly, we’re hearing that radiation has been picked up on a vessel entering xxx harbor in China, as well as in NV and XX in the USA. We are deeply concerned about these findings, and we have several TEKO workers who are insisting that they be allowed to enter the facility…etc., etc.

I just want spokespeople to provide information…even if it’s that no information is available.

There are two issues here, Seattlegonz. It emits alpha radiation, which is no problem externally but internally the alpha radiation from plutonium is able to damage cells. And as a metal, it can have the same affects as other heavy metals.

Thanks Ferd.

I just want spokespeople to provide information…even if it’s that no information is available.
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They probably would except that the MSM then takes whatever information they get and go off on a tangent that does both the public and the utility a disservice. If the MSM would behave in a responsible manner, they might get more information in a forthright fashion. So far all I have seen from the media are “gotchas” and mind-numbing rubbish. I would be reticent to tell them ANYTHING.

I wonder who did That One’s work while he was in school?

As I mentioned on the last thread, this is a great video to watch–but Ayers leaves himself plenty of room so that his remark can be construed as waggish sardonic ironic mocking bullshit.

but Ayers leaves himself plenty of room so that his remark can be construed as waggish sardonic ironic mocking bullshit.
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So he’s a liar, too. I am left to wonder how liars get along with other liars. I see a fustercluck in the making here.

The problem with Japan is there are no leaders; no one is in charge. They work collectively in peace time and in catastrophic times like this. In the U.S. GWB had “Brownie” in charge of FEMA, but he was fired a few days later. Then a Gen. Honore was appointed to oversee the Katrina disaster. Good or bad, there is someone in charge, and if he’s no good, he goes. This question was asked by CNN and BBC, “Who’s in charge?” Good question. Masataka Shimizu, president of Tokyo Electric Power Co, which operates the plant, fell sick March 16 and took some days off from the liaison office between the government and the utility firm, TEPCO officials said Sunday.

It is hard to have confidence in anything emanating from the TEPCO management at this point. From falsifying safety data, to sending workers in to work in their street shoes, to publishing incorrect radiation readings – TEPCO takes the cake. They are, sadly, a living, ongoing tableau of Murphy’s Law in action. Sending in young untrained lesser-paid workers from a subcontracter into the most highly radiated area, not providing them with adequate footwear, and not instructing them to respond to their dosometer alarms alone is criminal.

Admittledy there is no realistic alternative source of energy at the moment for the country. But that should not stop one from considering the fact that if nuclear fission goes wrong, it goes wrong for 10.000 years.

So which is worse–a country where no one takes charge while at the same time having a citizenry that does not lose their collective wits while going about the business of cleanup or a country where someone takes charge and the citizenry not only become melodramatic basket cases but react in a predictable knee-jerk type of way that is neither conducive to fixing the problem nor preventing its recurrence?

Our country doesn’t fix things anymore. Collectively, we just bitch and moan, expecting someone else to make a decision, which is invariably the incorrect one and then blame them for the decision made. Three-Mile Island was a problem and one that was fixable. Instead of making necessary adjustments ot processes and procedures, we abandoned it and then collectively whined some more when the only other readily available source of realiable energy was deemed too dirty to use (coal). I will give the Japanese credit–they are businesslike in their reaction. They’ll get the problems fixed much like this country used to do.

All right.  I’m baffled.  This morning two of the alphabet networks were up with stories that the “10,000X” reading was in error, supposedly a fluke that caused workers to panic and not confirm it.

WILL SOMEONE THE HELL PLEASE TELL US THE TRUTH?!?!?

Ooops…10,000,000 not 10,000.  Although at some point numbers probably cease to matter.

Here’s one of the “it-was-a-mistake” stories.  I don’t believe anything out of Japan any more.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/japan-officials-apologize-radiation-nuclear-scare/story?id=13233199

There is a lack of command authority in the government of Japan and the magnitude of it has become obvious at a time like this. The general public in potentially affected areas around Tokyo or Fukushima may not be caving but they are cleaning the stores of bottled water and vigilantly monitoring precipiation, soil, seawater, etc. No one is telling them anything – because there is no plan -  and even people who do not normally pay attention are starting to worry.

A lack of a trusted leader capable of sharing information about the scope of the disaster and the potential threats to people’s well-being has not been properly addressed therefore causing people to become angrier because of the inaccurate information they’re getting. The close ties between politicians and business executives have furthur complicated this management of the nuclear crisis. Japan’s leaders need strong, assertive leadership and skills they are not trained to have such as rallying the public, improvising solutions and especially cooperating with powerful bureaucracies. The less-than-straight talk is rooted in a conflict-averse culture that avoids direct references to unpleasantless. Even left leaning new outlets tightly control the flow of information about nuclear operations so as not to inflame opponents that include pacifists and environmentalits. Thus it is hard for even the Japanese govt to obtain good and crucial information from the company, never mind international monitoring networks like the IAEA.

I wonder who did That One’s work while he was in school? - You know… I wonder if he actually went to school… well actual class anyway.

Reminds me of the gulf oil leak. Pumping all that surfactant underwater and then the oil magically disappeared. Except its still there on the bottom. Corporate magic.

And as I mentioned, he’s “hiding in plain sight.”

well if we judge by present actions, you know someone else  did the work and he took the credit. Nothing has changed.

WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE, MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS, AND THOSE CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

http://twitter.com/CNNInternatDesk/status/52228066142990336

Now the #1 reactor is warming up

There is a lack of command authority in the government of Japan and the magnitude of it has become obvious at a time like this
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See response above, guest. “Command Authority” as you quaintly call it is just a scape-goat for an inability of the citizenry to keep their collective heads and work together. I can see it now–command authority says “X” and the populace rests easy, knowing that they don’t have to participate and that all will be taken care of. Back to video games and March madness. You’re wrong from square one..

Reminds me of the gulf oil leak. Pumping all that surfactant underwater and then the oil magically disappeared. Except its still there on the bottom. Corporate magic.
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You may be right, Docelder, with respect to the US. But that won’t happen in Japan. Heads roll when there is a screwup in Eastern society. No so much here. We’re more into blame shifting and letting the problem fester into perpetuity.

I don’t believe anything out of Japan any more.  
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At least they apologize for their errors and don’t try to blame it on sunspots, solar flares, or the opposition as our politicians are wont to do. It is refreshing to see actual politicians state the patently obvious. I’d like a little more of that here and less of the word massaging designed to lull the masses back into their normal stupor.

Naturally the Japanese people are concerned watching what appears to be a bunch of temp workers trying to clean up the Fukushima mess who have no idea even what sort of clothing they should even be wearing while the president of the company comes down sick and conveniently deserts his post during the crisis. The latest polls show 58% disapprove of the way Tepco is handling the operation. The situation is grim in the North, everyone understands that, not so much in Tokyo (but for how long ?), and locals are looking for what anyone would – analysis to rely on that is handed down in a timely manner so people can react. It took the company a week to report the plutonium, and even then the information given out is too little to determine the severity. Once emergency workers and nearby civilians start to get sick it will for sure be changed to a level 7 accident.

What we’re seeing is a classic case of no one wanting to accept responsibility. Can’t blame them in this case, but ultimately the government has to shoulder the blame, as well as TEPCO. But that’s how it is: government relies on TEPCO, TEPCO relies on sub-contractrors, sub-contractors rely on TEPCO, and everyone looks to someone else for information and blame. This is always the way it is, but in this in case in particular it should NOT be… Japan needs a strong government and strong leaders, not weaklings in bed with corporations.