RSS Feed for This PostCurrent Article

Arab Spring or Middle East Firestorm?

Some folks are describing the protests and violence sweeping through the Middle East as an “Arab Spring.” Now, if the definition of spring is the storm that clobbered the east coast of the United States last night–tornadoes, hail, snow and punishing thunderstorms–then maybe that term is correct. Normally I associate the word, “Spring” with Sun, flowers, baby birds, puppies and relief from the chill of winter. Would any sane person describe the events underway in Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Syria or Bahrain as “sunny with brilliant flowers, warm temps and cute puppies?”

Didn’t think so. I am not arguing for a status quo in the Middle East. I am in favor of getting rid of despots. But if we are going to pursue such a policy then we need to be willing to pay the price that accompanies such a policy. Let’s return for a moment to Egypt. Hosni Mubarak was not a thug compared to the likes of Saddam Hussein or Josef Stalin. But he was a cooperating partner with the United States in helping secure the border of Israel and pursuing a peace agreement with Israel. His predecessor, Anwar Sadat, was murdered for supporting this policy. So we should not minimize the import of his support for such a policy. Furthermore he was in the forefront of battling Islamic extremists in Egypt. He was guilty of imprisoning and killing them. But his policies served his interests.

When the protests broke out in Cairo he had every right to expect the United States to have his back. We bolted and abandoned him. And this has set off a chain reaction.

Despots and strongmen in Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Bahrain now find themselves no longer able to rely on the United States. So it should not come as a surprise that these folks start pursuing their own survival and entertain support from countries they previously eschewed or rejected. China in particular is a major beneficiary of the reassessment now underway in places like Saudi Arabia and Yemen.

Fair or not the White House is perceived as pursuing a policy that punishes those who supported U.S. interests in the past while going easy on the likes of Syria, Libya and Iran–all state sponsors of terrorism. We need to grow up and recognize that we do not live in a black and white world. We do not live in a world where we can always influence the outcomes in other countries. But we do live in a world where we can take actions in pursuit of policies that serve our national interests. For example, it would be in our interest to weaken ties between Syria and Iran. But it would not be in our interest to install a Sunni inspired government in Syria that would be more sectarian and more likely to promote terrorism against Israel.

Obama and his team of amateurs have managed to produce the worst of all outcomes. We have alienated our friends and failed to strongly back reformists that are not inspired by extreme theological visions. Like it or not a cold war between Sunnis and Shias is heating up. This conflict pits Iran against Saudi Arabia. If our interest is in stabilizing the world’s oil market and tamping down inflation then we need to back the Saudis and back them strongly. If our interest is in destabilizing the Sunni extremists and promoting the spread of Shia influence then we ought to be seeking to rekindle relations with Tehran. But we are not doing either. We are sitting on the sidelines watching events unfold and exercising little influence in the process.

The most apt metaphor in my opinion is the Chicago fire. The fire has spread to all neighborhoods. Some of those neighborhoods are better off if burned to the ground. Some, however, hurt us if they go up in smoke. Firefighter Obama is just watching. And his inaction is jeopardizing the future security of our country.

  • Fred

    Arab Spring or Middle East Firestorm?

    Is this one for double jeapordy, Larry?

    I am going with “What is the Middle East Firestorm of 2011?”

  • Cindy

    Larry,
    Excellent post.
    Arab spring??! HA!  No, don’t think the ME firestorm could be confused with a reading of ”Pippa Passes”……..more like “Purdah Pisses”.

  • Politicsisdirty

    How about the theory that these unrest are part of the Soros-Obama agenda? Do you think there is some truth in it?

  • Larry Johnson

    I don’t believe that Soros and Obama are that smart and that powerful.  There are ways we could exploit this unrest.  Destabilizing Iran, for example, would be a top priority.
    LJ

  • carol haka, Matzo

    Line in the sand, ask all those that want to live as human beings step to the right, everyone else prepare to die.

    Sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do!

    BOOM!

    Just don’t hit any antiques or Wonders of the World.  Just blow the evil doers to their Kingdom Come.

    >:o

  • carol haka, Matzo

    I’m betting anything Palin didn’t know about energy, she will know by her Campaign announcement.  The entire platform should be about immediately ending our dependence on these murderers.

    :* Girl Power

  • Politicsisdirty

    Thx

  • Politicsisdirty
  • Jim Ticehurst…

    Its too late for any negotiations with Iran now..IMO..I think Ack~E~ Minni~Jihad things He’s on a role now..He  is the premier Sulfer Snorter in the Region…and can’t wait to add His own share of Radioactivity to Our Atmosphere…Six legged Cows and Frogs that Glow in the dark aren’t bad enough…They will keep this Insanity up until they get Basketball size Hail..there Isnt any thing the United States can do now.Military wise..Damned if we Do..damned if we Dont..The whole structure of the Middle east..Africa and Europe is changing..and the Dominos have almost all falled in Asia..So Much for Globalization..for WHO..?
    Bring Our troops Home..and guard our own Borders…More americans were assassinated  down mexico way..Knock..Knock ..Knocking on Heavens door..

    Yes..My European friends..You were Right..Americans are the Most naive people in the World..

  • cobra

    Methinks that the string of bad results (of the USA) following the “policies” implemented by this administration/president is not the result of just coincidence or amateurism…
    Because the laws of statistics would dictate that the results would, occasionally, be in our favour…
    Which is not the case.
    Without exception, the results are very detrimental to our country.
    Which can only mean=>they are the result of deliberate policy of HARMING our country.

  • yttik

    Good post, Larry. Yeah, it sure doesn’t meet my definition of Spring, either. A massive social earthquake perhaps, maybe something like a perfect storm. So many things have come together to create this situation and everything is erupting all at once. To say it’s going to a bumpy ride is an understatement.

    I’m not much of an optimist, but for some reason, Obama’s bungling role in all of this, strikes me as something that is meant to be. It sounds kind of crazy, but there’s a cause and effect happening. For example, here at home people are returning to their roots, to Constitutional values, to genuinely believing in the promise of America again. That’s not happening because Obama is good, it’s happening because he’s so damn bad, it’s causing many of us to have a crisis of conscience. There is huge change happening all over the world and here at home, not the kind of change Obama was selling, but something else new and exciting.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Arab Spring? Isn’t that a brand of soap made from the fat of slaughtered Jewish children? 

  • carol haka, Matzo

    Actually, I would be willing to end our dependence now.  Shut it down.  We freeze to death in the dark until we develop our own.

    Let’s see how the ME likes that.  Just saying …………

    Heard that all the oil from Libya goes to China anyway.  What the fuck are we paying to say their asses for?

    Nuts, we are just nuts! >:o

  • Hokma

    I had not thought of it before reading your post, but on reflection the term that Obama is using, the Arab Spring, reminded me of another misrepresented “Spring”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K08akOt2kuo

    I actually quickly thought of appropriate replacements lyrics but posting them on this blog would immediately result in a Jihad against Larry.

  • ~~JustMe~~
  • Hokma

    I’ve been watching some of the early morning shows and it appears that even some liberal journalists are beginning to turn on Obama because he stands for nothing and does not lead.

    I still do believe that his actions clearly point to his desire to have a radical Muslim Middle East which will threaten Israel. The rumor that Samantha Power would succeed Hillary in a potential second Obama term firmly supports that belief.

  • Cindy

    Hokma—-that’s most appropriate………and hilarious!

  • Mr. Natural

    >>> I don’t believe that Soros and Obama are that smart and that powerful.  

    Apt observation. Doesn’t fit with our ‘Murrican View, however, that there are vast, powerful cabals and conspiracies pulling the strings and levers of the World…Bilderburgers, New World Order forces, Rosicrucians, Illuminati, aliens in UFO’s with Eltanin Antennas, left-handed Albino Zoroastrians (MY favorite) and Forces Which Killed the Tucker automobile.

    Give even the slightest credence to any of this and you’ll wind up thinking that Amy Carter and Chelsea Clinton were the gunners on the Grassy Knoll.

    I have even heard that Borsalino and Kangol are now making Tinfoil versions of some of their more popular offerings, just for us Gringoes…

  • Mr. Natural

    >>> Just don’t hit any antiques or Wonders of the World.  Just blow the evil doers to their Kingdom Come.

    Absolutely! We need to try out some of our ERW’s in inventory, anyway. 

  • Cindy

    Onofre—-you’re thinking of Irish  Spring….which is what it’ll be called when Samantha Power takes over the State Dept.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Don’t use any of that stuff. Irish Spring— is dangerous to your skin~ plus the health and well being of life in general! ;)

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Don’t use any of that stuff. Irish Spring— is dangerous to your skin~ plus the health and well being of life in general! ;)

  • TeakWoodKite

      Destabilizing Iran, for example, would be a top priority.  
    Amen to that. That would be a huge ripple effect if that were made to happen.

    It comes as no surprise to anyone except BO, that remaining silent on Iran, whilst they do more than will ever make the news to oppress their citizens and destabilize the region.

    I am curious in your opinion where the point of “no choice” is for the Saud’s when it deals with Iran?
     BO will not support the Saud’s. This will move forward any time tables the Saud’s may have and the Chinese will not intervene militarily.

    It is a crazy world when Osama sits “in a cave” and has Obama do all his work for him.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    But Carol that’s why we have the DOE! Their mission was to help us end our dependence on ME oil. You know, back when it was founded in the 70′s. Don’t you think they have done a GREAT job?! Ahem.

    Excellent post, Larry – thanks!

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    Both DOEs, Education and Energy are useless and should be disbanded, RRRA. I know more about the second DOE than I care to ponder any longer.

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    We bolted and abandoned him. And this has set off a chain reaction.
    =================
    Excellent essay. Slight correction, though: That One and his mal-administration” bolted and abandoned Mubarek. I am not a part of that “we”. Nor are you, I would hasten to add.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Oh no Ferd, we shouldn’t get rid of these worthless and wasteful departments, they simply need to be run more efficiently. I suggest the creation of the “Department of Departmental Oversight” department to restructure and monitor all of the poorly run departments. The depts. of Energy, Education, Transportation, Agriculture, and HHS might all be unwanted step children, but we can’t just throw them out on the streets, that would be cruel to streets.

  • carol haka, Matzo

    Debbie Wasserman Schultz to be named DNC chairman.

    Wow, well that blaming Palin for Arizona sure paid off!  She definately has the lie, lying, liar part down.

    >:o

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    but we can’t just throw them out on the streets, that would be cruel to streets.
    ==============
    LMAO. Yeah, we already have far too many bums on skid row now.

    But who will watch the overseers?

    Oops!

    I think I’m in diminishing-returns territory. Never mind.

  • Ferd Not-My-Site-(click to edit) Berfle

    Debbie Wasserman Schultz to be named DNC chairman.  
    ==============
    Wow, a psycho in charge of the asylum. Who would have thunk it?

  • TeakWoodKite

    Destabilizing Iran, for example, would be a top priority.    
    Amen to that. That would be a huge ripple effect if that were made to happen.  
     
    It comes as no surprise to anyone except BO, that remaining silent on Iran, whilst they do more than will ever make the news, to oppress their citizens and destabilize the region has had a very negative effect.  
     
    I am curious in your opinion where the point of “no choice” is for the Saud’s when it deals with Iran?  
     BO will not support the Saud’s militarily. This will move forward any time tables the Saud’s may have and the Chinese will not intervene militarily.  
     
    It is a crazy world when Osama sits “in a cave” and has Obama do all his work for him.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Hmmmm…..We can always reject a soap that appears dangerous to our health and well being to life in general! ;)

  • carol haka, Matzo

    Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!  I’m one of those bums on skid row.

    Watch yo mouth feller!

    >:o

  • carol haka, Matzo

    This just proves Obama is an anti-Semite.  This will be full on torture for her trying to defend the Dems bs!

    >:o

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Hmmmm…..We can always reject a soap that appears dangerous to our health and well being to life in general! ;)

  • carol haka, Matzo
  • ~~JustMe~~

    Taking a wild guess here…….the behavior just runs in the family!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Taking a wild guess here…….!!! The behavior just runs in the family!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Seems some are tarred with the same brush!

  • ImissReagan

    Larry says Muhammad Hussein Maobama has alienated our friends. But Maobama’s real friends, Al Queda, are ecstatic at the great job Maobama has done. Egypt, Tunisia and soon Libya & then maybe even Syria will be in the hands of Al Queda & the Muslim Brotherhood. Poor Mubarak & Moamar,  they actually thought Maobama was their friend. 

  • Onofre’s arm

    Now, don’t lye to me Cindy.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Hmmmm…..Sounds like a soap we should be rejecting….. It appears dangerous to our health and well being to life in general! ;)

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Hmmmm…..Sounds like a soap we should be rejecting….. It appears dangerous to our health and well being to life in general! ;)

  • TeakWoodKite

    Very funny.

  • Cindy

    Onofre—-your subtle wit always manages to bubble to the surface.
    It’s the best, BAR none.

  • Cindy

    JustMe—it’s dangerously slippery! :)

  • oowawa

    We need a more rugged soap to clean out Obama and his filthy crew.  Reagan rode in on 20 Mule Team Borax . . . None of this Sissy-Poo Spring stuff . . .

  • PainKillerJayne

    http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/8689242-obama-administration-unfreezes-accounts-of-libyan-murderer-and-terrorist

    No matter that Moussa Koussa was behind much of the terrorist activity of Gadaffi and helped him crush opposition he has defected so he is OK. The Obama administration has unfrozen his accounts and anyone is now free to do business with him. Although the UK insists he has not been given immunity for possible war crimes he obviously has been given some sort of deal for defecting. So the moral is that if you want your money back be disloyal to Gadaffi.

    So sorry if this seems a little off topic. But these guys in the White House are amateurs.

  • oowawa

    May they both be feathered, afterwards.

  • helenk

    OT
    I just found out why a lot of Americans do not have a clue of what is happeining in this country and the world.
    I have dish network tv. I just lowered the package from 250 channels to 120 channels,
    With this new pkg other than local news. the only news channel you get it the obama channel MSNBC. No CNN, no FOX no different point of view other than the slobbering over obama.
    I still get foreign language and shopping channels but no real news channels. Thank God I have the internet, but think how many people do not have it.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

  • TeakWoodKite

    Even if the following Debka article reads like an X file, just the outline of it, adds color real terms as to the road the Saudi’s and Iran are traveling down in our absense.

    It has a wierd bonus mix of Iraq’s Al Maliki and his Shia pathos in full bloom as a plot twist.

    This is a serious issue and well beyond Obama to make headway on, given his addictive proclivity to alienate and then through under the bus, all those who sought him out.

    Put simply and with out any personal disrespect towards the human Barry Soetoro, he is way out of his Arab League.

    Does anyone find it ironic that now the Libyian “rebels” are getting cranky with the “NATO” efforts? Think they want us as friends after we will not give them the grease they are asking for?

    Anyway, as I am not an expert and do not have the capasity or resourses to refute the content of the article, the outline of it is a thought provoking one.

  • Cindy

    LOL oowawa—-so I guess Ivory would be out if the question?
    Do they still make Coast?? That would be appropriate, since Barry does seem to coast through any responsibility he’s given.

    Hey, wait—how about………… Ivory Coast soap! I smell a winner–LOL!

  • EllenD

    Dove from the Nobel Prize Winner?

  • EllenD

    Interesting, helenk. MSNBC only became available on MY Dish service at the 250 level. Maybe they changed it.

  • Cindy

    EllenD—”Dove”—–That’s perfect, my dear!!

  • EllenD

    Interesting, Teak. I never saw this site before. It is thought-provoking.
    It makes sense that Sunni rulers of majority Shiite populations would get very nervous about Iran and make deals with the Saudis behind the scenes to keep their positions.
    Saddam used to be in this group until we “liberated” the Shiites in Iraq and did Iran’s dirty work for them. Thanks, George.
    We just had a huge Iranian festival here in a park near me but no worries – they were all the Jews that got out when the Shah fell.

  • TeakWoodKite

    So can someone better at the math help me run the numbers? Bang for buck.

    700 million = 30 percent reduction in Libyian hardware? I would say that the other reductions was from the arms depots being sacked.

    “The assessment is that we have taken out 30 percent of the military capacity of Gaddafi,” Brigadier General Mark van Uhm, a senior Nato staff officer, said in Brussels. Over the last day, air strikes around Misrata hit Qadhafi’s tanks, air defence systems and other armoured vehicles. Near Brega in the east, where intense fighting raged for a sixth day on Tuesday, Nato aircraft struck a rocket launcher. Answering criticism by insurgents that air power became less effective with the alliance in control, Nato officials said the presence in Libyan skies was undiminished.

    Still, when one reads some descriptions of the available arms in Libya available for the blackmarket and the taking, I am disturbed thinking that  these munitions will be used as they are in Iraq and Afghanistan….and that does not bode well…

  • Kenoshamarge

    How about LAVA soap oowawa. It should be strong enough to remove anything. I know when I used it it would remove skin right along with the dirt. Must be all that pumice.

  • Agent X

    ” I am in favor of getting rid of despots.”

    Great! Sarkozy is looking for good people as well…Join the French and use their military…. Its time ours is given a break.

  • Sassy

    Last week, I read that it is predicted that as many as 3000 leading figures of Jama’a al-Islamyia and Egyptian Islamia Jihad groups will arrive in Egypt in a few days, as their names have been dropped from “wanted” lists of Egypt’s security forces.
    Ah yes, spring – and terrorists are sprouting like dandelions in the Middle East!

  • TeakWoodKite

    Woodworks Inc.

  • Retired

    msnbc is getting desparate for viewership.  they are taking a number of steps to increase same, inclusion in the lowball dish network package is one of these steps.

  • getfitnow

    Do any of you rmember LAVA? That was some rough soap. Still around?

  • Jim Ticehurst…

    Cruise Missle Try~outs..Spring Training…Triple Play…One for Kukla..
    One for The Pyramid Convention..One for Ack~EEE~Mine~JI~Had…
    make it a grand Slam..One for the NW Corner ..of the Park in Pak..

    It will be Raining AK~47s and Poppys  for a week..My~Oh~My…

  • ++

    Ahh…!! Larry, wishing for the good old days of the CIA when we controlled our despots.

  • Pingback: Is The MSM Hiding Attacks On Women Journalists? : NO QUARTER

  • OzzynHarriet

    hey politicsisdirty: repeating glenn beck talking points, nice.  that’s pretty paranoid thinking.  then again soros is a jew so as glenn beck says he must be a puppet master who controls an international conspiracy.  too bad you get information from a man who is obviously mentally ill and has a messiah complex…who peddles ripoff gold companies to suckers and is an anti-semite.

  • Azeezetvrchatholi

    arab spring for how long i think sprig never forming storme because of illusion of religion

  • Fldonnab

    The term “Arab Spring” is ridiculous.  The riots began in Egypt, so ALL civil uprisings (worldwide) should rightfully be called “Gone Egypt”, “went Egypt”. Same as  person having a tantrum/temper fit, you say “He broke western.”