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West Virginia Coal Officials on Barack Obama: “Unbelievable” [VIDEO & UPDATE: Ohio Coal Association: "Obama-Biden Ticket Spells Disaster"]

(bumped up by NoQuarter)

Barack Obama has a coal problem. Responding to yesterday’s revelation that Barack Obama intends to bankrupt all plants that operate on energy generated from coal, Chris Hamilton, the Senior Vice President of the West Virginia Coal Association, called Obama’s comments in San Francisco “unbelievable.” I quote the West Virginia Record:

The senior vice president of the West Virginia Coal Association called Obama’s comments “unbelievable.”

“His comments are unfortunate,” Chris Hamilton said Sunday, “and really reflect a very uninformed voice and perspective to coal specifically and energy generally.”

Hamilton noted other times Obama and vice presidential candidate Joe Biden have made seemingly anti-coal statements.

“In Ohio recently, when Joe Biden said ‘not here’ about building coal-fired power plants — this is exactly what will happen,” Hamilton said. “Financing won’t be directed here. It will all go aboard for plants elsewhere in the world. The United Sates is importing more coal today from Indonesia, South Africa and Colombia than we ever have.

“If we’re going to create a situation where coal-fired power plants are at that much of a disadvantage, there will be new ones built. But as Biden said, just not here.”

In other words, the workers of West Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana, Illinois, Colorado, New Mexico, North Dakota, Montana and all the other states in which coal is mined, processed and converted to electricity should be prepared to have their jobs outsourced under an Obama Presidency. That is not the change the economically battered Ohio River Valley needs. It is also not the change those of us who consume electricity need. Just imagine the cost of our energy bills if coal plants, which generates 49% of our electricity, are bankrupted and eliminated.

American Girl in Italy asks No Quarter readers to disseminate the following recording of Barack Obama’s statement on bankrupting coal plants far and wide.

Obama: We Will Bankrupt the Coal Plants

VIDEO UPDATE: WE HAVE THE VIDEO OF OBAMA IN SAN FRANCISCO STATING HE WILL BANKRUPT PLANTS RELYING ON COAL

Here is the sound clip:

And I offer more information on who will be affected by Obama’s reckless energy policy in an essay I published yesterday.

Clearly Obama’s statements will have electoral effects in West Virginia, where he has already garnered opposition from leaders of the industry that is that state’s main economic engine. But we must ensure voters in Colorado, New Mexico, Montana, North Dakota, Ohio, Indiana and Pennsylvania are armed with these facts before they cast votes tomorrow.

Sarah Palin is doing everything within her power to ensure voters in the Ohio River Valley understand the implications and ramifications of Obama’s desire to bankrupt plants relying on energy produced from coal. I quote CBS News:

(MARIETTA, OHIO) – Seizing on a newly released audio tape picked up by the Drudge Report, Sarah Palin took the opportunity here in coal country to accuse Barack Obama of “talking about bankrupting the coal industry.”

“He said that, sure, if the industry wants to build coal-fired power plants, then they can go ahead and try, he says, but they can do it only in a way that will bankrupt the coal industry, and he’s comfortable letting that happen,” Palin said. “And you got to listen to the tape.”

The audiotape Palin was referring to was recorded by the San Francisco Chronicle in a Jan. 17 interview.

“Why is the audiotape just now surfacing?” Palin asked, leading someone in the crowd to shout, “Liberal media!”

“This interview was given to San Francisco folks many, many months ago,” Palin said. “You should have known about this, so that you would have better decision-making information as you go into the voting booth.”

Marietta, Ohio, is located on the Ohio River on the border between Ohio and West Virginia. This is the perfect place to discuss Obama’s desire to bankrupt the coal industry, for many of the workers in that city and its environs earn their wages in mines and in factories reliant on coal.

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And Sarah and the audience in Marietta, Ohio, are correct: we only learned about this now as a result of the venal and obsequious media’s suppression of any and all information that is unfavorable to Barack Obama. Just witness CNN’s attempt to minimize the importance of this story:

Contrary to her attempts to portray a media cover-up, audio and video recordings of Obama’s January 17 sit-down with the Chronicle editorial board have been freely available online for more than nine months.

In the interview, Obama said that his “aggressive” cap-and-trade plan would charge polluters for every unit of carbon or greenhouse gas they emit, a plan that would render polluting coal plants financially unviable.

“So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can,” he said. “It’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.”

In the interview, Obama also made the case for alternative energy sources, adding that he does not believe coal production will be eliminated, and that he supports carbon capture and sequestration technologies.

John McCain also supports a market-based cap-and-trade proposal to reduce carbon emissions.

Regardless, Palin sought to use Obama’s words against him in a part of the country where coal has long been king.

“He said that, sure, if the industry wants to build coal-fired power plants, then they can go ahead and try, he says, but they can do it only in a way that will bankrupt the coal industry, and he’s comfortable letting that happen.”

The media, it seems, will not inform working class voters of Obama’s attempts to eliminate hundreds of thousands of jobs and raise our electricity bills. But Sarah Palin and those who care about the economy of West Virginia and other states in the Ohio River Valley will. And so will we, for we understand that the elimination of jobs in a region of a country Obama already insulted with his comments in San Francisco about those bitter small town voters in Pennsylvania and Ohio who cling to guns and religion will not solve America’s economic woes. Indeed, it will only exacerbate the current recession.

Let us stand with West Virginia and the Ohio River Valley and defend those who rely on coal for their economic livelihood. This is certainly what Hillary would do. I quote the Sun-Times article I cite above:

After the quotes [about "bitter clingers"] surfaced on a political blog Friday, Democratic rival Hillary Clinton and GOP hopeful John McCain immediately decried them as evidence that Obama is “elitist” or “out of touch.”

“My opponent said that the people of Pennsylvania who faced hard times are bitter. Well, that’s not my experience,” Clinton told a crowd in Philadelphia. “As I travel around Pennsylvania, I meet people who are resilient, who are optimistic, who are positive, who are rolling up their sleeves … Pennsylvanians don’t need a president who looks down on them, they need a president who stands up for them.”

And yes, Barack Obama is an elitist politician who “looks down on” voters in the Ohio River Valley and in other areas of the country that rely on coal. Hillary Clinton does not, and neither does John McCain. Here is John McCain yesterday campaigning in Pennsylvania:

SCRANTON, Pa. — Campaigning in coal-rich Pennsylvania, GOP presidential nominee John McCain pledged this afternoon that if elected president, he would ensure that the U.S. exports coal overseas — something that U.S. policy already permits.

At the same time, the McCain campaign and Republican National Committee reportedly launched robocalls in Ohio, Pennsylvania and other coal states attacking Sen. Barack Obama’s position on coal.

Mocking Obama for a comment he made in an interview with the San Francisco Chronicle in January — “The only thing I’ve said with respect to coal, I haven’t been some coal booster,” Obama had said — McCain promised the audience at the University of Scranton that he’s been a proud coal cheerleader in the past, and plans to be one in the future.

“My friends, you know what Senator Obama said about a year ago, he said he had not been a, quote, coal booster,” he said, as the crowd booed. “My friends, I’ve been a coal booster and it’s going to create jobs, and we’re going to export coal to other countries and we are going to create hundreds of thousands of jobs. That’s going to help restore the economy of the great state of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.”

The robocalls have been placed, but we must ensure the voters understand that Obama desires to bankrupt the coal industry and increase the prices of our energy bills. We have one day, and this must be done. Circulate the video I cite above.

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[UPDATE]: Ohio Coal Association issues a scathing statement on Barack Obama’s statement. I quote:

COLUMBUS, Ohio, Nov 03, 2008 /PRNewswire–USNewswire via COMTEX/ — Mike Carey, president of the Ohio Coal Association (OCA), today issued the following statement in response to just-released remarks from Senator Barack Obama about the nation’s coal industry.

“Regardless of the timing or method of the release of these remarks, the message from the Democratic candidate for President could not be clearer: the Obama-Biden ticket spells disaster for America’s coal industry and the tens of thousands of Americans who work in it.

“These undisputed, audio-taped remarks, which include comments from Senator Obama like ‘I haven’t been some coal booster’ and ‘if they want to build [coal plants], they can, but it will bankrupt them’ are extraordinarily misguided.
“It’s evident that this campaign has been pandering in states like Ohio, Virginia, West Virginia, Indiana and Pennsylvania to attempt to generate votes from coal supporters, while keeping his true agenda hidden from the state’s voters.

“Senator Obama has revealed himself to be nothing more than a short- sighted, inexperienced politician willing to say anything to get a vote. But today, the nation’s coal industry and those who support it have a better understanding of his true mission, to ‘bankrupt’ our industry, put tens of thousands out of work and cause unprecedented increases in electricity prices.

“In addition to providing an affordable, reliable source of low-cost electricity, domestic coal holds the key to our nation’s long-term energy security – a goal that cannot be overlooked during this time of international instability and economic uncertainty.

“Few policy areas are more important to our economic future than energy issues. As voters head to the polls tomorrow, it is essential they remember that access to reliable, affordable, domestic energy supplies is essential to economic growth and stability.”

The Ohio Coal Association (OCA) is a non-profit trade association representing the interests of Ohio’s underground and surface coal mining producers. The OCA represents nearly 40 coal producing companies and more than 50 Associate Members, which include suppliers and consultants to the mining industry, coal sales agents and brokers and allied industries. The Ohio Coal Association is committed to advancing the development and utilization of Ohio coal as an abundant, economic and environmentally sound energy source.

Representing 40 coal producing companies and more than 50 associate members in related industries, the OCA will deliver many Ohio votes to John McCain.

Words do matter, I guess.

  • http://AmericasFavoriteTerrorist.com Bill Ayers

    Bankrupting the industry that generates 50% of our electricity???

    WTF???

    why can’t Dear Leader stick to my talking points?

    how am I gonna be Secretary of Education why this blockhead keeps blathering crap like this before he is elected??

    sweet baby jesus!

    I gotta give him a call right now!

    Love,
    Bill

  • Snoopy

    Just as He did Hillary: Obama Flips Off McCain, Gave McCain Middle Finger (Video)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBMdWxcFXQg

  • doublestandard

    dear Americans — I am worried. 24 hours to go, and i wish the mcCain campaign would launch some “surprise’, that they were talking about for months, then…nothing. Have they just surrendered? We need to do anything and everything to prevent the menace Obama from taking office. Is this GOP this confident? I am worried. What about that “tape” they were talking about, where is it?

    This coal industry thing is huge, but as usual, the media ignores it. Only fox news is reprolting it, CNN apparantly thinks it’s “old”, however, they didn’t report it before either! I am sick of the media attentnion, harry smith on cbs was bashing Palin yet again this morning.

    please, someone, anyone, who knows…please tell me that the GOP has not given up. I have done what I can, campaigned in my area, McCain needs to win.

    Please reassure me, thanks.

  • Urban Hillbilly

    Obama’s voice saying “skyrocketing energy costs” should be in radio and tv ads all day!

    Dealbreaker.

  • Alex01

    This needs t be it’s own story. It is at:

    Ace of Spades HQ:

    http://minx.cc/?post=277244

    Hillary Clinton Forum:

    http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=40234

  • Kristen

    Obama is a complete JERK! It shows how childish he is. He is so worthless. I can’t wait till tomorrow when he has to bow down to the Mac Daddy!

  • Nobama

    My in-laws both plan on voting for Obama. I told my husband that he needed to talk them out of voting for Obama weeks ago. Originally, he said there was no way he felt like arguing with them about and just wasn’t going to bring them up. He pretty much knew there was no changing their minds.

    This morning my husband called and said that he is emailing them this information. He seems to think that this story might cause them to vote for McCain instead. Why? My father-in-law works at a coal powered electrical plant in PA.

    Many pundits today have said that this information won’t make much of a difference. I beg to differ.

  • WasLNbutNoBamaBotsKeepStealingMyName

    Please be reassured…McCain does NOT need any surprise to win. The PUMA vote + a percentage of independents who will swing for him, + folks who voted in the primary for BO who now have buyers’ remorse will see McCain through.

    I think you, along with the media, will be quite surprised on Wed. am.

  • jd4hill

    No one has given up. McCain wants to win and can win without swiftboating attacks — he is showing himself to be an honorable man.

    They are in it to win it – the only two reliable polls out there (that were accurate in the 2004 election) say this is essentially a tie race with 8-9% undecided.

    In this so called ‘no lose year or Dems”, McPalin is doing great.

  • Urban Hillbilly

    OMGosh, pundits! Every voter just experienced spiking gas prices, NO ONE wants skyrocketing energy prices!

    Most of the country does not have a nifty subway system, so they have to fill up their tanks! Just think if gasoline prices went up this winter along with “skyrocketing” heating bills!

  • AnnieO

    I agree. Nobody is gonna risk their jobs for this guy.

  • http://JohnMcCain.com Galt, Master Thrall of Planet Triskelion

    The coal story and the bird flipping are huge trouble for Der Precious! Spread the word!

  • Susan1968

    Spread this story in PA … there was no early voting in PA.

  • http://hickeysite.blogspot.com/ Pat Hickey
  • BerlinBerlin
  • AnnieO

    BO looks verrry stressed in this video.

  • Firefly

    If Mac wasn’t assured of PA before (though I think he was), he sure is now!

  • BerlinBerlin

    Check out comment # 29
    in the HillaryClintonForum
    Very good pictures for a new story.

  • http://JohnMcCain.com Galt, Master Thrall of Planet Triskelion

    Many pundits today have said that this information won’t make much of a difference. I beg to differ.

    Pundits schmundits. Pundit = propagandist for Der Precious. Ignore the boobs.

  • RippingtonsFan

    Please report back the results of your husband’s “intervention”. I’d be very interested to know if it worked. I went for coffee a few weeks ago with a friend who was an Obama supporter. I told her about all of the things I learned this year through NQ about this con-man. I relayed how I was a Hillary supporter that was disgusted by the way the Obama campaign and MSM treated her. She was originally a Hillary supporter as well but one of those low information voters. Good news is that she changed her mind and is now voting McCain. She told one of her older friends about her change of heart and her friend called her a “racist”. So sad but hey, at least I was able to make a difference with one voter. Hopefully your husband will be able to make a difference with two. Good luck.

  • kgirl1028

    The people in the coal industry have one thing wrong Obama is not misinformed he just doesn’t give a shit. And yes the reason why he wants to bank rupt the industry because he wants to force us to pay higher price for electricity.

  • http://colberturdead2me.wordpress.com Colbert U R Dead 2 Me

    Here’s a collection of economy related videos updated with “bankrupting coal industry” clips for those who have no time to sift through YouTube(with lots of Obama people’s disinformation)
    Please pick and choose the ones you like and email them to your friends, acquaintances and relatives in the battleground states!
    http://colberturdead2me.wordpress.com/2008/10/10/subprime-crisis-video-vault/

    McCain 08
    Hillary 12

    Ignore the MSM, read this post, encourage yourselves, and let’s get busy! We can still win this!
    http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/11/03/anecdotal-evidence-of-mccain-strength/

  • AnnieO

    OT: Over at Hillbuzz, they’re using the Todd Beamer quote, “Let’s Roll!” It fits perfectly with our goals!

  • “Clean coal” is an oxymoron

    Increased dependence on coal for our national energy needs only makes sense if truly effective carbon capture and storage (CCS) technology could be developed and utilized.

    Unfortunately, no practical, economical CCS techology exists, nor is any such techology anticipated.

    It’s estimated that CCS techology would increase the cost of coal-derived electricity by 21 to 91 percent. If we opt for coal instead of alternative energy to free ourselves of foreign energy dependence, that’s what we can look forward to.

  • AnnieO

    That sums it up.

  • benny

    Obama aint Bill Clinton. With obamas current economic policies, he’ll bring the economy down on its knees. He is dangerous. I really wish we had a growth-democrat like hillary. This is a disaster.

  • wodiej

    what do you propose we do for electricity until then?? cripes, how many times do we have to explain these things. McCain and Palin are taking an all of the above approach and yes, alternative energy is a top priority. But NOTHING is going to be nationwide immediately and it will all cost money.

  • Susan

    Both candidates have exactly the same view on clean coal.

    Clean coals is BS anyways. It is 100% unproven. The coal industry has never tested the technology and no one has any idea how much it will cost.

    Over time this nation will have to get off coal, but for now we are stuck with it, as it provides 50% of the electricity in the U.S.

    I am not sure about the piece above. Do you believe that coal is a good source of electricity? The industry is one of the worst polluters on the planet.

  • EightBelles

    I said this in an earlier post and I stand by my statement 100%: Barack Obama doesn’t give a rat’s ass about people living in Appalachia, in the coal mining states or across the Ohio River Valley. And yet not a peep did I hear out of the “Courier-Journal” this morning regarding Barack Obama’s plan for sending American coal-fired power plants into oblivion while supporting the coal industry in places like South Africa and Indonesia. Why should anyone be surprised that Mr. Obama would show favoritism toward South Africa and Indonesia over the United States?

    The CJ happens to be the largest news source in Kentucky and in the tank for Barack Obama (no surprise there). I once worked as a journalist for a subsidiary of theirs. They were a newspaper of much greater integrity at the time (the mid-80s) when still owned by Louisville’s Bingham family–but I digress.

    When the Commonwealth of Kentucky went for Hillary Clinton, it was the CJ that portrayed HRC supporters as racist and out of step with the times. Perhaps they will be whistling a different tune when utility costs are through the roof and the CJ becomes an even “thinner” slice of the news than they already are courtesy of their candidate, Mr. Obama, who favors South African and Indonesian interests over those in the United States.

  • benny

    “we are stuck with it, as it provides 50% of the electricity in the U.S”

    Learn to state that over and over again. ;)

    Polluters???? well if you dont have electricity for a few days, I’m sure that your polluters ideology will wear down fast. lol

  • “Clean coal” is an oxymoron

    New coal-fired generating plants, new nuclear power stations, or increased oil production from new drilling would all take 7 to 10 years to begin having a significant impact on our national energy picture.

    It makes far more sense to heavily capitalize next-generation alternative energy technologies and push hard to bring them fully online during that same time-frame, rather than spending billions to significantly expand the use of obsolete energy sources that will become increasingly expensive and increasingly problematic. We can transition by using our existing fossil fuel plants and adding a few new ones where absolutely necessary. Liquified natural gas is also a good transitional option.

  • jrterrier

    here’s video of obama saying his policies will bankrupt builders of coal plants:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMwBbl6RoIs

  • benny

    and if we cant “bring them fully online during that same time-frame”? do you really want to take that risk? sounds ridiculous. we should follow both options, as Mac outlined. all sources should be explored. current proven sources, and alternative sources too.

  • http://rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    Truthteller, this is a sobering collection of stories on WORM – and I mean, “Really Believes.” I think these stories coming out abt him ARE the “surprises” – whoever is leaking them is surely waiting until the last moment, but millions have not yet voted. I cannot imagine that people who live in coal producing states won’t take a long hard look at Obama before tomorrow with this information out now – this is truly people’s livelihoods abt which we are talking!

    Tremendous effort, TT!

  • McHope

    Didn’t you tell him to keep his mouth shut until Nov 5th?

  • McPalin

    BO didn’t have his ‘whitey’ make-up on in the video that makes his skin lighter.

    quote~We can’t let the Obama-Biden Democrats turn our country from the land of opportunity into the land of government hand-outs. We must win tomorrow.-McCain

  • Tristan

    Who needs coal? We’ll power our economy with hope.

  • McPalin

    Not only will BO bankrupt the coal industry…He’ll bankrupt this country. I expect bank runs if he steals this election.

  • benny

    hope and change. lol

  • Typewriterstreaming

    Thanks to your husband.

  • Typewriterstreaming

    Obama is going to heat us with the hot air he redistributes. He’s an entire freak show all by himself.

  • Typewriterstreaming

    Helloooooo 50% of our electricity comes from coal right now.Welcome to the US hope you enjoy your stay.

  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

    From the ending of Glenn Beck’s opening monologue today. His last paragraph is great:

    GLENN: Stop. Play it again, please. I’m sorry. Play that again. Coal, coal.

    OBAMA: So if somebody wants to build a coal powered plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them because they are going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being —

    GLENN: Stop for a second. “Coal, it’s going to bankrupt them.” I’m sorry. Can we have what Joe Biden said on the rope line when he was in Pennsylvania — or when he was in Ohio. Here it is.

    OBAMA: It’s just that it will bank —

    GLENN: Not that one.

    BIDEN: No coal plants in America. Build them if they are going to build them over there, make them clean because you’re killing us.

    GLENN: Stop. No coal plants here, not going to build. And what did Obama say? Obama said that’s ridiculous, that’s ridiculous, we’re going to — this man has been lying to the American people. They never had any intent on building coal plants. They never had any intent of actually exploring for coal. They never had any of these intents. They have been lying the whole time. Oh, by the way, it’s not just Obama and Biden. It’s also the leader of the Senate, Harry Reid. Here’s what Harry Reid said. Remember this?

    REID: I would only add to what was just said about solar. We talk about cost competitiveness but one thing we failed to talk about is those costs that you don’t see on the bottom line. That, coal makes us sick. Oil makes us sick. It’s global warming. It’s ruining our country. It’s ruining our world. We’ve got to stop using fossil fuel. We have for generations taken it out of the Earth, carbon out of the Earth and put it in the atmosphere and it’s making us all sick.

    GLENN: Okay, stop. I just want to — let’s just put this into perspective, please let’s put this into perspective. He’s going to run the coal industry and bankrupt the coal industry. You’re not going to be able to have a new coal-fire power plant. You are not going to have one. In 2007, 49% of every bit of electricity came from coal. We are the Saudi Arabia of coal. In the shale in Colorado, you can pump out natural gas out of the shale. We’re not doing any of it. Coal is dirty. That, you’ve got to be kidding me. I mean, I — there’s two Americas. John Edwards was right.

    There’s two Americas. There’s the America that still has a modicum of common sense and then there’s the America that just isn’t paying attention anymore, has just jumped on this socialist protectionist communist crazy train that they just want the handout. They just think that everything works in magic.

  • Typewriterstreaming

    “”One of the hallmarks of the cult of personality is that people see something that’s not there. They swoon and cry over empty rhetoric. They mistake political ambition for profound discovery. They believe that something is wrong with the dissenters.”

    Thank you for that link that contained that quote. Says it all really.

  • McPalin

    ‘HOPE’ for ‘CHANGE’. Yeah too bad it’s the wrong kind of change.
    Keep hoping OBOTS.

  • “Clean coal” is an oxymoron

    We’re already seeing the risks inherent in stubbornly clinging to dead-end technologies: the massive transfer of U.S. wealth abroad; declining global reserves while demand escalates; looming military conflicts over diminishing supplies; global climate changes that could evolve into global disaster. Our 20th Century energy technology is bound to fail us. The solution isn’t to revert to the dominant energy source of the 19th Century.

    The real risk lies in refusing to accept the future when doing so is within our grasp.

    In 10 years it will be totally obvious what the right decision was. Whether we made it or not.

  • McPalin

    BO informed us that “‘They’ aren’t going to let us eat what we want and fill our gas tanks when we want to, or turn our thermostats on 72 degrees.” paraphrased. Who are “they”? He says his energy policy is for us to inflate our tires to save on gas. UMphh!

  • Typewriterstreaming

    He not only doesn’t give a shat I think he gets off on control – this coal crap reminds me of:

    http://discoverobama.com/news/obamapricesignals.htm
    TOTALITARIAN! Obama: Gov. Should Use “Price Signals” to “Change Behavior”

    Watch the big shit talk about regulating our behavior.

  • benny

    no. there is no risk in following both sources. why do you refuse to see that? In 10 years, if we dont have adequate energy, then what? thats just unreasonable. Its not a case of either this or that. support both sources. and when we have adequate sources of alternative energy, we’ll abandon the traditional sources of energy. but till then, we shouldnt take an unnecessary risk.

  • Typewriterstreaming

    “There’s two Americas. There’s the America that still has a modicum of common sense and then there’s the America that just isn’t paying attention anymore, has just jumped on this socialist protectionist communist crazy train that they just want the handout. They just think that everything works in magic.”

    Hear! Hear! Ain’t that the sorry truth.

  • Witzend

    To all you nay-sayers out there, a quick reality check:

    “We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard.” (JFK, 1962)

    And while I’m at it, let’s remember cordless phones, fax machines, PCs, cells and (thank you, Al Gore) the internet. How many of us grew up with none of these?

    Would we all be sitting at our respective computers right now (mostly laptops, I expect) sharing our hopes and frustrations – in real time, no less – with total strangers across this country were it not for the determination and innovative vision of those who dare to see what most of us can’t even imagine?

  • Doc99

    OH Coal Association Responds to Obama’s plan to wipe them out.

  • http://itappearstobe.wordpress.com/ it appears to be

    Puma unite let’s decide this election…
    IF WE CANT HAVE HILLARY WE WILL HAVE MCCAIN

    http://itappearstobe.wordpress.com/

    This coal comment is another of the 1,0000000000 million reasons to not vote for Obama. Wake up america Swing states unite to stop the Obama extreme left agends

    McCain 08

    we will worry about 2012 when it comes…….

  • http://none jessiebritton

    Just was watching Fox News and they were covering their last poll numbers. It has Obama 48 to 47 percent. Next they covered who they trust more with the economy. It was Obama 52 to McCain 42, which looks bad. They also covered white women and men, where McCain is leading. Lets look at the economy numbers. As an example lets start with 100 voters. Twelve percent AA and the balance either white or Hispanic, etc. The 12% AA will vote solid for Obama and the 88% will be split. If 50% of the 88% vote for McCain, it would give him 44 votes and when you add the 12% AA vote you have Obama winning with 56%. What this poll does not show you is that the larger voting group has the greater number of voters. This distortion also runs to any overall polling results. I do believe that McCain is going to do very well in the election.

  • dude

    Did he say that operating an EXISTING plant would bankrupt the owners? No.

    Coal power plants are one of the biggest sources of greenhouse gases we have. They are a bigger environmental problem than nuclear plants. How many new coal plants are being built right now? Not many. They are deemed to be too much of a risk by utilities. It’s an old technology.

    This has nothing to do with Obama. In the sound clip he is actually more supportive of coal than many in that he doesn’t completely write it off as a future source of power.

  • Leisa

    No one is being a naysayer… this is about being practical.

    All of the above is what Mac proposes… I also remember Obama scoffing at Mac’s idea to give $300M for a new green car battery…

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/environment/2008-06-23-mcain-car-battery_N.htm

    Sounds like he is trying to get American to lift themselves up by being innovative with our challenges with energy.

  • Chicago

    do you know that Australia, China, Europe, and South Africa has been suing clean coal technology to replace some of their oil demand?

    do you even know what clean coal means?

    South Africa was able to withstand those years of sanctions during their apartheid era due to clean coal technology and they are the leader in coal to liquid technology for decades.

    Did you even understand what was stated by the Coal association official? we are currently IMPORTING coal from other countries.

    if there’s anything that many do not understand is that WE CAN NOT KEEP IMPORTING ENERGY RESOURCE from other countries if we have our own here. we can not afford to keep sending hundreds of billions of dollars to other countries. that money is better kept within our own economy.

    no one is saying that we shouldn’t have alternative energy, but until we have 100% alternative energy, we need to use our own oil, natural gas, and coal instead of sending money overseas. is that so freaking hard to understand? it’s economics 101!

    we are the Saudi Arabia of coal and we are importing coal from Indonesia? WTF is that about??!

    look at what Canada is doing, they are conserving energy, they are going green, BUT they are selling oil and are profiting nicely from it and the result is more social programs for their citizens.

    there’s no reason why we should keep sending money overseas for oil, natural gas, and coal if we have those resources here. keep the money here and help the economy grow, and we also lower global demand of oil which lowers the price so other countries can afford it, and ultimately get more money for alternative energy.

    you can’t simply flip a switch and stop using oil, natural gas, and coal. the computer you’re using is 85% oil derivative. you stop using oil, you eliminate plastics from everything, without plastics you have nothing. 80% to 90% of all consumr products have oil derivatives in it. do some research and stop following the rhetoric of the green nutcases.

    oil, natural gas, coal, can be used responsibly to ensure less emission while we wait for the alternative energy industry to mature. heck, even solar panels manufacturing need oil.

    stop listening to the rhetoric and start using logic to base your economic opinions on this election. Obama’s energy plan is a pipe dream,McCain’s plan is practical and will result in millions of new jobs and keep US dollars within our borders instead of it going overeseas.

  • Doc99

    Harry Reid – Coal Makes Us Sick! Way to go, Harry. Sheesh

  • Lynda-NoBot

    The reality is we can’t throw coal or any other fossil fuel under the bus just yet. We need them all to make our country energy independent.

    Of course we want new technologies but there will be a transition period over to these technologies where we will need fossil fuels. There is room in our consumption needs for every type of power generating methods that are available to us.

    For the countries security we must be energy independent. We can’t even run our military without fuel. Think about it.

  • Chicago

    do you know that Australia, China, Europe, and South Africa has been suing clean coal technology to replace some of their oil demand?

    that should say “using.”

  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

    There is no fucking man-made Global Warming.

    There has been no net temp increase for the past ten years.

    It’s junk political science.

  • waldenpond

    I agree this is a matter of national security. Unfortunately, this country is really a ‘corpocracy’ The coal and oil resources will be put in to the world market not just a national market. Unless there is legislation prohibiting the sale of national resources, there will be no impact on world prices and business will never allow restrictions on their profitability possibilities. Free market principles control this society and the industries will sell to the highest bidder. AK actually exports most of the oil it drills, it is not kept domestically.

  • Chicago

    do some research on coal to liquid technology. same with coal to natural gas and methane.

    some are simply uninformed. do some more research and you’ll find which countries have been using clean coal technology and are helping offset their country’s demand for oil.

  • Concerned Citizen X

    BS — Obama isn’t offering some kind of slow transition to “clean coal”. He’s saying he’ll make it impossible to build any more coal plants AT ALL until we have “clean coal” — technology that is years in the future. That would be a death sentence for any industry. You cannot run an industry on its existing infrastructure only without giving the industry the flexibility to build new infrastructure as needed. The net result of Obama’s policy will be the destruction of the coal industry.

  • Chicago

    Did he say that operating an EXISTING plant would bankrupt the owners? No.

    what do you think will happen to the exiting plants when the cap and trade system comes on line? do you think they’ll be exempt from the cap and trade system? the existing plants would be hard hit and they will be forced to raise electricity rates.

    come on, give a little effort in some logical analysis will ya.

  • Ani

    Amazing story, Truthteller. Thank you for putting all of this together — I am forwarding everywhere.

  • Chicago

    increased oil production is only three years out. there’s also oil wells that were capped when the moratorium started 20 years ago. those oil wells can be re-opened fast.

    coal to liquid technology is also just three years out if refineries are to be constructed right away. bring in some Australian engineers with knowledge of their coal to liquid technology and we’ll be producing gasoline, diesel, and natural gas from coal within three years.

  • Chicago

    Shell Oil also have technology that can extract Oil from Oil Shale. the Oil in our oil shale region (CO, WY, MT, UT) has 5 times the oil reserve of Saudi Arabia.

    again, we need to use our own resources to reduce global demand until alternative energy can replace 100% of our enrgy needs.

    if all Americans start using electric cars, where’s the electricity going to come from? electricity from wind turbines can not be transported to different regions of the US, the current grid is not setup for it. if the wind blows today and generates electricity by the region where the turbines are located doesn’t need the electricity being generated then it is wasted. when the wind doesn’t blow, then you will still need the power generated by coal and natural gas fired power plants.

    these natural gas and coal fired power plants can not be brough online quickly, they need to be ramped up and once they are generating at capacity, they simply can not be shut down right away.

    tell me how the gap between solar and wind generated electricity can be filled if the sun don’t shine and the wind doesn’t blow without nuclear power, coal fired, and natural gas fired power plants?

    there is a huge gap in our electricity generation system if coal and natural gas is replaced by wind and solar. both would still need to be backed up by coal and natural gas powered plants.

    there’s no way to store the electricity generated by wind and solar, that is a fact. until we get efficient batteries that can store the electricity, there will always be a huge gap and wind and solar will not meet peak demand from one coast to the next.

    McCain had stated a couple of months ago that he will institute a program that will award a few million dollars for anyone that can invent an efficient battery. that is a major step in alternative energy, yet many of our democrat brothers and sisters scoffed and laughed at the idea. again, many people simply have no clue about what the country really needs. McCain knows we need efficient battery technology to store the electricity generated by alternative energy yet no one took him seriously.

    we simply can not switch off oil, coal, and natural gas, without efficient batteries that will store energy, without updating the national electricity grid to transfer electricity from one region to the next efficiently, and without nuclear power.

    anyone that believes that oil is replaceable right now simply have no knowledge of the inefficiencies of our national grid.

    in the meantime, while the green nutcases are blocking efforts for more drilling and clean coal, we will keep sending $700 billion to other countries instead of keeping that money within our economy and some of that money can be used to finally improve our national grid, fund battery research, and actually start pushing our country towards an alternative energy based economy.

  • anon

    I guess a soon-to-be-ice-free northern pole proves that point? As does the rapid melt-off of Greenland ice and the global rise of sea levels?

    Ten years are meaningless. Ten thousand years of Greenland ice core samples tell us everything.

    If the conclusions of climate science are meaningless, why have the Bush administration and the fossil fuel industries spent the last 8 years trying so hard to suppress them?

    The Bush White House has been Junk Science Central.

  • sassy

    The spokespeople for the United Mine Workers Union that have already led their members to BO are going to catch hell!
    And they deserve it!
    Our electrical rates increased by 20% this year alone…and this story will probably hit us again shortly!
    We have about 200 years of coal supplies, if we can develop clean methods of usage…and the number of jobs created would be important to our economy!
    BO and Joe say NO!

  • NoTrollZone

    He looks downright stoned, to me. His pupils look completely dilated from what I can tell.

  • Andrew

    I agree sassy. Doesn’t everyone here realize this is not about hypothetical technologies and future adventures, this is about staying warm in the winter? This is about people’s jobs. Their JOBS!!!! Jobs are precious commodities in this troubled time, very precious, and Obama proposes to eliminate THOUSANDS of jobs, THOUSANDS!!!! These are men and women that are breaking their backs every day to make sure you and I can stay warm and have the electricity to blather away on these computers. This is not a hypothetical, this is not a philosophy question, this is people’s livelihoods and Obama says they aren’t worth a hill of beans or a lump of coal.

  • McPalin Hill

    Today Democrats, Republicans and Independents who care about this country are standing together to keep this country free. John McCain was this Democrat’s first Republican vote. I am proud to say I already voted for McCain/Palin and it is my fondest hope that we Democrats and Republicans continue to work together with President McCain to do what’s right for this country and its people. Now that we have found that we have the same goals –let’s not lose sight of this day and this time when we were one.

  • http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/11/03/coal-officials-on-barack-obama-unbelievable/#comments Bern2008

    It has amazed me to hear O folks spin this newest Obama admission. There is no way to put these statements in context and make them sound any better. There is no context that should make anyone feel okay about having energy costs “NECESSARILY SKYROCKET” or a vow to bankrupt an American company.
    How could any thinking person cast a vote for this man? It’s difficult for me to comprehend the poll numbers. I live in the South; the only support I have seen here for the big Zero is the AA support. Oh there’s one guy at work, but he’s not registered b/c he said his vote wouldn’t count anyway. ha.

  • PS

    Obama vs. Obama: Barack’s Attack Ad on Himself!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54yNit5n5F0

  • McPalin Hill

    Andrew — John McCain deserves this position. He has spent his life fighting for us and lost 5-1/2 years of that life in a POW Camp. He is a good man who doesn’t put himself above the American people. John McCain will be a fine guardian for our Democracy. Let Obama find another country to lead. Leave us with a man who understands what service to his country means.

  • NCgirl

    I just wonder how many people in those coal producing states already voted for Obama, because they didn’t have this information. I bet those people are pissed now. His prospects in those states would have been looking pretty pathetic about now, if they had known this. Because the MSM didn’t dig it up and report it, as they should have, it took until now to find it out.

  • McPalin Hill

    I wonder if Obama’s dislike of Coal is because he loves that Middle Eastern money he has received. There is a reason our forefathers said that a President should not hold divided loyalties–this is what you get.

  • Brendy

    I called and cancelled my subcription with the Louisville CJ and when they asked why, I said “because your paper endorsed Obama, a racist who sat in that ‘so called church’ for 20 years damning/blaming America and the White man”. I was even getting the paper for FREE during the week (as a promotion), only paying for the Sunday edition.

    I DESPISE the Courier Journal!!! And, yes, Kentucky IS a BIG coal-producing state and they’re backing Obama who wants to DESTROY that industry??? Unbelievable!

    Just check out the country of Kenya and how they are SO hoping that Obama will win. For a nation (Kenya, and of course other ENEMY countries) to be THIS excited and concerned about a presidential candidate should make ALL Americans concerned.

    What has Obama PROMISED Kenya, or any other nation which is SO concerned that he win???? Has he promised to spread OUR wealth with all these Third World Nations? Afterall, Obama DOES have his $845 BILLION DOLLAR GLOBAL POVERTY BILL floating around – It has ALREADY PASSED the SENATE!!! Now, I guess – they’re just waiting for the election and for the mjority of DEMOCRATS to win so they can pass this bill through???? Where is this ‘global proverty money coming from’? Yep – OUR TAX DOLLARS, MORE tax dollars taken out of our checks. WE will help Obama’s relatives in Kenya; Obama will spread OUR wealth NOT HIS.

  • cathnealon

    Remember BO’s buddy and fellow radical Ayers’ father was CEO of Consolidated Edison–he learned from Ayers that controlling electricity and energy sources means controlling people. Just think of all of those people who have already voted and are hearing some of this unless they are so brainwashed they don’t care.

  • Zeke

    Oh go fuck yourself anon… isn’t it a nice sunny day in Gaza? Go outside and catch a sniper round in your teeth…

  • JudyR

    Obama Biden spells I B A Bad Omen

  • http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com OBAMA IS A FRAUD

    I am from Missouri and have a HUGE Italian Catholic family there. Basically my family is an enormous presence in St. Louis. Funny, NONE OF THEM, NONE, are voting for Obambi and ALL voting McCain. And everyone they know. I think Missouri is WAY closer than they are calling it. OBambi makes my family sick.

  • http://www.patriotroom.com Bill Dupray

    Photo Of The Day for Election Day

    You can’t make this stuff up.

    http://patriotroom.com/?p=3844

  • http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com OBAMA IS A FRAUD

    Obamabi wants to KEEP us DEPENDENT on his ARAB friends and keep us transferring our wealth to their countries. Only a rat with a lobotomy would have to think twice about that. Duh.

  • http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com OBAMA IS A FRAUD

    ROFLMFAO Bill.

  • Brendy

    Comment by McPalin Hill | 2008-11-03 22:35:26

    Andrew — John McCain deserves this position. He has spent his life fighting for us and lost 5-1/2 years of that life in a POW Camp. He is a good man who doesn’t put himself above the American people. John McCain will be a fine guardian for our Democracy. Let Obama find another country to lead. Leave us with a man who understands what service to his country means.

    ***
    “Let Obama find another country to lead.”

    EXACTLY!!! Afterall, Obama HIMSELF stated that he is a ‘citizen of the world’. SURELY he can find himself another country to lead, right? why not head over to Kenya, Indonesia, even Venzuela (sp? Don’t wanna look up) – THEY would glady elect him!

  • MochaLatteBreve

    I’m going to say a prayer for our country tonight. I’m also praying that people use common sense and good judgment tomorrow and vote for their country’s future. Good night.

  • http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com OBAMA IS A FRAUD

    I have seen people ask if they can take their vote back based on the misinformation about Obambi. No wonder he forced people to vote early. He knows that every passing day means more TRUTH about what scum he is.

  • http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com OBAMA IS A FRAUD

    Of course this is why he shouldn’t even BE eligible. He said it himself. His LOYALTIES are with Arabs/Muslims so plan on us sending our cash over there for at least four years if God forbid he wins.

  • http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com OBAMA IS A FRAUD

    I wish that going into this we could have a thread here about loving America, being a patriot and why that means a vote for McCain.

  • Sarracuda

    I have been praying for people to wake the hell up for weeks, I hope to God that tomorrow when people go to the polls they see that Obama is dangerous for this country. Please America, WAKE UP, if you want to live in a free country, democracy the way its always been, the way our founding fathers wanted, please, don’t vote for Obama, see the way life is in Cuba and Venezuela, you don’t want to live like that, people take freedom for granted until its gone, then you will miss it, please, for our freedom, vote McCain

  • Brendy

    Hopefully your husband included the video SHOWING Obama himself speaking these very words! Actually showing the person speaking – instead of written words – has a MORE POWERFUL EFFECT.

  • Peggy Sue

    I really, really hope you’re right. But I feel the same queasiness. Haven’t given up but I was waiting for “the moment” that never came. Not for my own “ahhhh” moment for others who have not been following this campaign as closely as we have.

  • Andrew

    OT – From TEXAS DARLIN

    diss

    MSNBC is growing a brain too it seems. I just turned on the cable news due to your post – they’re interviewing a republican w/McCain campaign and allowing him to speak positively without smacking him down.
    No. Really.

    ——–

    Rene

    Is CNN conceding defeat tonight? I was in an environment where I could SEE CNN but not hear it. What I saw was that they were discussing the possibility of a tie in the Electoral College.

    With as “pro-Obama’ as CNN is, always presenting the most optiminstic scenario for Obama, does that mean that they they think that Obama will lose tomorrow night?

  • Kal

    Love your name, I don’t watch either of them anymore, no genuine critical edge.

  • Mr. X

    Anyone know where I can get a live feed of McCain Arizona event? It’s on now. Palin has an event at 1:30AM ET in Nevada at CNN live.

  • Andrew

    Arizona event? What is this about an Arizona event? I thought McCain was in one the battlegrounds. Hmm.

  • Kal

    He just scoffs when he can’t think of anything intelligent or persuasive to say.

  • x

    you’re wrong but I’m still not voting for Obama

  • Andrew

    I’ll be praying while being attacked by bots tomorrow. I’ll be praying.

  • Brendy

    Why can’t people SEE how Obama wants to CONTROL us??? Think about it, people! Obama wants to CONTROL EVERY ASPECT of our lives! I read where his campagin forced negative ads be pulled from the air while the makers of the ad were fighting with their lawyers to keep the ads on air (NEWSMAX, I think). Obama’s campaign kicked off three reporters – who up until now – had allowed them access (reason: they endorsed McCain). Obama’s camp swooped in on Joe the Plumber – a private citizen – and are trying to DESTROY him because he had the ‘audacity’ to ask his highness a question. They’ve banned several newsstations from interviewing them because they’ve asked TOUGH and SINCERE questions about their policies.

    And as MEchelle herself said:

    “Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zone . . . Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual – uninvolved, uninformed.”

    By MEchelle’s comment, I take it to mean OBAMA WILL CONTROL OUR LIVES and FORCE US to live they way HE sees fit.

  • Northwest rain

    Could it be that Obama has in mind to boost nuclear energy — keeping in mind that his biggest donors come from the nuclear elec. power industry.

    Under bush and Ray-gun before him even the subject of alternative energy was off limits — so the US is really behind in research.

    Coal mining in some regions is a disaster — the collapse of the coal mine in Utah (?) is one example.

    With the creative intelligence in America and LEADERSHIP — it seems to me that coal as a power source is a problem to be solved. But that doesn’t mean shut down all coal mining an power generation without any options. Obama is just plain stupid — he has no real understanding of the complexity involved in keeping the “engine” called American running smoothly.

    In the west there is the potential of geothermal — Washington State really hasn’t explored this option. Idaho and California have some geothermal plants. Hillary Clinton has a big picture view of the development of many different sources of energy. Hopefully McCain will listen to some of Sen. Clinton’s ideas.

  • whatshername

    My guess is that MSNBC thinks it’s in the bag so now they can have the R-spokesperson on and act all nice and feel good about themselves. Oh, and pat themselves on the back for being so magnanimous. And then probably laugh at the spokesperson behind his back after he’s left the set. And then they’ll go home and think that they and Mr. Obama really have joined America together in perfect harmony.

  • Sarracuda

    WOW, Very add for CNN to even suggest a tie, even today I was watching Lou Dobbs(thats the only time I will EVER watch CNN) and that guy that is always with the maps, I forgot his name) well he was saying how mccain can win 270 to 268 if he takes Nevada, and today Sarah was in Iowa, Iowa of all places, they must know something about Iowa cause they are always sending her there and lets not forget New Hampshire

  • Peggy Sue

    Oh come on, Bill. You know we’re all Luddites deep down. Doesn’t everyone want to live in a hut and light candles? We can hug trees in the dark and dance with all those unicorns that will magically appear with an Obama presidency.

    You’re just not being a good sport! ;0)

  • Northwest rain

    Don’t forget geothermal — NZ has been exploiting this energy source for some time now.

    The west coast including Alaska is part of the “Ring of Fire” — and there is a huge potential.

  • Peggy Sue

    I don’t want to be a party pooper, guys. But this election has made me realize that many voters [Obamatrons, specifically] are walking around in a delusional trance.

    There’s nothing, nothing recommending this man. He’s inexperienced, thin-skinned and without accomplishment. And he’s an absolute fraud with nasty associations and penchant for turning a blind eye.

    Why, oh why is anyone voting for the “Big Lie.”

    My conclusion? Because people want to believe in the easy answers, the magical solutions.

    I’m wishing on a star for McCain tonight. I’m resorting to my own childhood magic. And I want to believe. But I’m queasy, no doubt about it.

    PUMA McCain/Palin ’08

    PS: I’ve heard a good omen for the Republicans taking the White House is a Steeler’s slapdown. Last time I checked they were winning. I don’t know diddley about football. But even I’ll take a good omen. Magic is powerful. Besides, my finernails are ragged stubs.

  • pewlf

    Surprising Cnn on Lou Dobbs tonite,did report the video of Obama and the oil statement. I was surprised ,but I find Lou Dobbs,is my favourite on CNN,as he says it as it is..

    Big Coal people on Fox tonite,and I think he either mentioned he was from Ohio or Pennsylvania,and he said,his state is very afraid of Obama’s comments,because this news has spread like wild fires since Sunday’s release.So we can only pray,the states that have Coal,will wake up and vote with there heads….

    Also,I noticed the polls on Fox,has Mccain ahead in more states tonite,and tied in two…

    I think it will be a landslide for Mccain/Palin.. I think the Coal video,,just destroyed Obama’s chances

  • pewlf

    Those are not numbers I saw, on Fox

  • Peggy Sue

    No one is suggesting coal is the fuel of the future. But clean coal production, nuclear energy and domestic drilling can provide us with a bridge to the future.

    Unless, of course, you want to sit in the dark and rub sticks together for the next 10 years. Or continue to send our assets to the Middle East.

    Sorry, I’m not a big fan of “primitive living.” I’ll trade a few trees and pristine air for a chance at survival as a viable, first tier nation with a quality of life to match. I’ve got to turn this baby over to my kids. I don’t think they’d get a jolt out of cave dwelling. But knock yourself out with the environmental concerns. After all, it’s only our country we’re talking about.

    PUMA McCain/Palin ’08

  • Brendy

    I don’t care about a landslide win for McCain – I just WANT MCCAIN TO WIN – PERIOD!!! PLEASE GOD, let McCain win. Please assure us that we, as a nation, are STILL a Christian nation and that we won’t vote into office a person of questionable Christian, right versus wrong, and pro-America beliefs.

  • pewlf

    You better go back and listen,.,,He said,he’d put high remissions on the coal plants, that the cost will bankrupt them..He also said,that electric bills will skyrocket…..

    This is a doomed for the Coal companies…

  • pewlf

    That’s why when Obama says vote early, You never listen,because he has his reasons….

  • Peggy Sue

    Hey, I’m for throwing everything at the wall. But we absolutely have to get off foreign oil and whatever bridge we need to get to these alternative is what we have to do.

    It’s not going to easy or quick or cheap. But it’s an absolute neccessity. Coal is something we have in abundance. You use what you have!

  • jj1980

    10 Years, PLEASE start to think what you are saying, Think of our HISTORY, Dec. 7,1941 US Pearl Harbor fleet destroyed, Aug 1945 two Atomic bombs ended WWII. DEC 7, 1941 No one knew how to make an Atomic bomb. Today we have less brains, a smaller will to suceed?? PLEASE THINK I KNOW IT MAY BE HARD. Where do you get 10 years?

  • morty

    AP says McCain could poss win electoral college over at newsmax.
    http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/mccain_electoral_college/2008/11/03/147235.html

  • streetparade

    Sooo, what do we do since coal provides nearly 50% of our electricity? Should we shut down all of our manufacturing, live in the dark, not run our appliances or, dear god please NO – turn off our computers? What’s going to recharge all of those electric cars?

    Hydro is already almost tapped out and wind is, unfortunately, far from the large markets. I’m all for expanding the use of these, but it is unrealistic to think they can provide anything like 1/2 of all of our electricity needs.

  • Sara

    Coal Officials Blast Obama Over Remarks

    Monday, November 3, 2008 8:36 PM

    By: Dave Eberhart Article Font Size

    The president of the Ohio Coal Association (OCA) today blasted Barrack Obama over his newly emerging position on how the coal industry will languish while he is in the White House.

    Mike Carey issued the following statement in response to just-released remarks from Senator Barack Obama about the nation’s coal industry.

    “Regardless of the timing or method of the release of these remarks, the message from the Democratic candidate for President could not be clearer: the Obama-Biden ticket spells disaster for America’s coal industry and the tens of thousands of Americans who work in it.

    “These undisputed, audio-taped remarks, which include comments from Senator Obama like ‘I haven’t been some coal booster’ and ‘if they want to build [coal plants], they can, but it will bankrupt them’ are extraordinarily misguided.

    “It’s evident that this campaign has been pandering in states like Ohio, Virginia, West Virginia, Indiana and Pennsylvania to attempt to generate votes from coal supporters, while keeping his true agenda hidden from the state’s voters.

    “Senator Obama has revealed himself to be nothing more than a short-sighted, inexperienced politician willing to say anything to get a vote. But today, the nation’s coal industry and those who support it have a better understanding of his true mission, to ‘bankrupt’ our industry, put tens of thousands out of work and cause unprecedented increases in electricity prices.

    “In addition to providing an affordable, reliable source of low-cost electricity, domestic coal holds the key to our nation’s long-term energy security – a goal that cannot be overlooked during this time of international instability and economic uncertainty.

    “Few policy areas are more important to our economic future than energy issues. As voters head to the polls tomorrow, it is essential they remember that access to reliable, affordable, domestic energy supplies is essential to economic growth and stability.”

    The San Francisco Chronicle story published on Jan. 18 based upon a taped Jan. 17 interview with Obama. That story did not include any mention of Obama’s willingness to bankrupt the coal industry, which can hear on the newly uncovered audio.

  • thetownecrier

    Common sense America sees through hopey changey wishy washy, and works hard not expecting anything, except the right to struggle onwards.

    Socialist America is different like this.

    The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But under the name of ‘liberalism,’ they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. – Norman Thomas. Presidential Candidate. U.S. Socialist Party 1940, 1944, and 1948.

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  • Peggy Sue

    This is OT, but after weeks of trashing Sarah Palin, Peggy Noonan announced today she was endorsing McCain.

    I do not understand some of these “conservative” women. Not that “liberal” women have been heroic in the matter.

    But my jaw dropped when I read the headline. A bit late, Ms Noonan!

  • TeakWoodKite

    TruthTeller, Coal is a a backbone, perhaps looking at the pre-industrial England and how coal played a role until oil over took coal and England’s economy with it.

    We have to do it all.
    I see Obama’s comments more in line with his support of Nuclear energy / Exelon.

  • Peggy Sue

    And don’t forget unicorns and rainbows. Let’s harness every fictional thing out there.

    But who has to worry? Obama will keep us warm.

    And broke.

  • Zenia Loggins

    Then think of these ahhhh moments–Joe the Plumber bringing the discussion of “spreading the wealth”–Biden taking the discussion to national security–”the new president will be tested”–Obama himself talking about –”changing the fundamental of this country, the constitution is flawed”–Obama himself talking about “bankrupting the coal companies”. When heard these far reaching events they were all ahhhh moments for me!!!

  • Peggy Sue

    Frostbite makes us sick, too.

  • IndayHill

    doublestandard, let us rally, if not physically, maybe spiritually, for the sake of this great country of ours. As Senator John McCain called in his rallies, “America is worth fighting for ! Let’s fight, stand and fight !”
    I am spreading the words:

    For the Country:
    Vote for McCain/Palin ’08

    God Bless America !!!

  • Tyrione

    how am I gonna be Secretary of Education why this blockhead keeps blathering crap like this before he is elected??

    This explains the demise of the US Educational system, in a nutshell.

  • athena

    Whoever has been screaming for us to read Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg was farking spot on! You gotta read it. The liberals are the facsists.

    I would lend you mine and all but logistics muddies up that plan. You will have to get your own. It is really good stuff!

  • athena

    and heat stroke will kill ya!

  • athena

    I know people in PA that work in the coal mines. I passed the story on to them with the video. If their fellow workers did not hear about this on the news you can be damn sure they will hear about it from them over their lunch bucket! PA as far as I know does not have early voting!

  • athena
  • newton

    In other words, he’s an autocrat.

  • cc

    I’m in kcmo and I voted mccain on friday. I pray you’re right and that missouri will go mccain. it’s so close. I can’t tell you how much I despise my senator mccrapskills. she is simply disgusting.

  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

    If one doens’t want to buy the book, I recommend this website

    MODERN LEFTISM AS RECYCLED FASCISM

    This guy put a lot of effort into coming up with a framework to explain what the Left is.

    In the course of doing so, he makes a case that the Fascism of Italy was the fusion of early 20th Century American Progressivism with Marxism, and that all of the Socialist/Collectivist/Communist/Marxist/NAZI movements were all forms of Anti-Indivudualist Left-Wing movements. The Americans influenced Mussolini who in turn influenced the Americans and how many Americans were quite impressed by all of the innovations by Italy , Germany and Soviet Union.

    This love affair ends once the violence nature of Hitler and Stalin unleash war and mass murder.

    Let me state explicitly that nearly all Americans who admired Italy/Germany/Soviet Union repudiated those countries when the war came. So I am not linking Leftists with Genocide , war or murder.

    In the blue border on the right-hand side of the screen you can find other articles of his under this heading:

    Selected reading
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    MONOGRAPH ON LEFTISM

    CONSERVATISM AS HERESY

    Rightism defined
    Leftist Churches
    Leftist Racism
    Fascism is Leftist
    Hitler a socialist
    What are Leftists
    Psychology of Left
    Status Quo?
    Leftism is authoritarian
    James on Leftism
    Irbe on Leftism
    Beltt on Leftism

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    In my next comment I’ll post an except.

  • fluffy bunny

    Obamabots are out big time tonight. They must be pretty worried about this story.

    Obama for nuclear energy? ROFLOL that’s just precious. The Sierra Club just sent me a fancy glossy brochure promising me exactly the opposite.

    You astroturfers are really too much. Fortunately, nobody believes your garbage any more.

  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

    Other Leftist nationalists

    Those who know of the Leftist themes in the election campaigns of both Hitler and Mussolini often say that neither was a real Leftist because they were also vehement nationalists. The thought seems to be that nationalism can only be Rightist. But that shows no knowledge of Leftist history generally.

    From the days of Marx onward, there were innumerable “splits” in the extreme Leftist movement but two of the most significant occurred around the time of the Bolshevik revolution — when in Russia the Bolsheviks themselves split into Leninists and Trotskyites and when in Italy Mussolini left Italy’s major Marxist party to found the “Fascists”. So from its earliest days Leftism had a big split over the issue of nationalism. It split between the Internationalists (e.g. Trotskyists) and the nationalists (e.g. Fascists) with Lenin having a foot in both camps. So any idea that a nationalist cannot be a Leftist is pure fiction.

    And, in fact, the very title of Lenin’s famous essay, “Left-wing Communism, an infantile disorder” shows that Lenin himself shared the judgement that he was a Right-wing sort of Marxist. Mussolini was somewhat further Right again, of course, but both were to the Right only WITHIN the overall far-Left camp of the day.

    It should further be noted in this connection that, as Horowitz (1998) reminds us, the various European Socialist parties in World War I did not generally oppose the war in the name of international worker brotherhood but rather threw their support behind the various national governments of the countries in which they lived. Just as Mussolini did, they too nearly all became nationalists. Nationalist socialism is a very old phenomenon.

    And it still exists today. Although many modern-day US Democrats often seem to be anti-American, the situation is rather different in Australia and Britain. Both the major Leftist parties there (the Australian Labor Party and the British Labour Party) are perfectly patriotic parties which express pride in their national traditions and achievements. Nobody seems to have convinced them that you cannot be both Leftist and nationalist. That is of course not remotely to claim that either of the parties concerned is a Nazi or an explicitly Fascist party. What Hitler and Mussolini advocated and practiced was clearly more extremely nationalist than any major Anglo-Saxon political party would now advocate.

    And socialist parties such as the British Labour Party were patriotic parties in World War II as well. And in World War II even Stalin moved in that direction. If Hitler learnt from Mussolini the persuasive power of nationalism, Stalin was not long in learning the same lesson from Hitler. When the Wehrmacht invaded Russia, the Soviet defences did, as Hitler expected, collapse like a house of cards. The size of Russia did, however, give Stalin time to think and what he came up with was basically to emulate Hitler and Mussolini. Stalin reopened the churches, revived the old ranks and orders of the Russian Imperial army to make the Red Army simply the Russian Army and stressed patriotic appeals in his internal propaganda. He portrayed his war against Hitler not as a second “Red” war but as ‘Vtoraya Otechestvennaya Vojna’ — The Second Patriotic War — the first such war being the Tsarist defence against Napoleon. He deliberately put himself in the shoes of Russia’s Tsars.

    Russian patriotism proved as strong as its German equivalent and the war was turned around. And to this day, Russians still refer to the Second World War as simply “The Great Patriotic War”. Stalin may have started out as an international socialist but he soon became a national socialist when he saw how effective that was in getting popular support. Again, however, it was Mussolini who realized it first. And it is perhaps to Mussolini’s credit as a human being that his nationalism was clearly heartfelt where Stalin’s was undoubtedly a mere convenience.

    And last but not least we have the original Leftist nationalist: Napoleon. Napoleon Bonaparte was the child and heir of the very first Leftist revolution, the French revolution and he is to this day lauded as the man who took the “ideals” of the French revolution to the rest of Europe. Like all Leftist dictators, he preached the central Leftist myth of equality — but did not practice it — and built up around himself a cult of the leader that was very much the same as that built up around themselves by Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Kim Il Sung etc. And, again like other Fascists, he took French nationalism and love of gloire to new heights. During his rule — police state though it was — he made the French feel that they were the greatest nation on earth. And the French died in their droves in furtherance of that myth — just as Germans later died in their droves for Hitler. Mussolini may have invented the term but it was really Napoleon who was the first Fascist. Arthur Silber has put up some excerpts from the recent biography of Napoleon by Paul Johnson that show how very Fascist Napoleon indeed was. Since Napoleon is still a French national hero, it is no wonder that the Germans found it relatively easy to get the French to “collaborate” in World War II.

  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

    What has been the net temp increase this decade?

  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

    CHeck out the data and then please let us know how the hell you reach the conclusion that ice is on the decline?

    Since your indoctrinators probably didn’t tell you how to misread the chart, I should let you know the red line means this year’s ice.

  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

    No problem. Disagree is fine.

    Let me just raise one point..

    The same media that unquestionably promoted and anointed OBama is the same Media that is unquestioningly promoting Manmade Global Warming.

  • Chicago

    and guess why geothermal hasn’t taken a foot hold? becuase a lot of the the green nutcases in California oposes it and doesn’t want to spend money in it.

    McCain wants to use everything. the Obots have falsely claimed that McCain is only for oil. McCain has a plan for an all of the above approach but we absolutely need to get off foreign oil right now and have that money circulate within borders. much of that money can and should be used to fund alternative energy initiatives but we can not get there if the money is kept going overseas.

    drill here, drill now, then coal to liquid, once you eliminate foreign oil, start promoting solar panels on top of every house in America. solar panels and small wind turbines for every home is more cost effective than large solar electricity plants and large wind mills since the electricity being generated doesn’t need to be sent to different parts of the country which our national grid can not handle.

    if we see massive effort to put solar panels and small wind turbines on every American home then you will see a drastic reduction in natural gas demand for electricity generation. then that natural gas can be used for transportation. don’t fall for the Pickens plan that calls for massive wind turbines accross the tornado belt – Pickens want the government to foot the tab on building all the transmission lines. that is what Pickens is not telling you, his project needs massive funding for transmission lines. that money is better spent giving tax credits for American households so that people can afford to put a 2.5 KW solar panel or wind turbine system or both on their roofs. do that and you will eliminate up to 30% of the electricity demand on coal fired and natural gas powered power plants without the need for massive transmission line projects that we can’t afford right now.

    McCain is the only candidate with this all of the above approach. don’t get fooled by the Obots so called plan. The O’s only plan is to make energy prices skyrocket. that will put a massive burden on transportation and manufacturing industry and will cost consumers money that they can spend somewhere else.

    so go vote for Johnny MAC!!!!

  • Chicago

    Peggy Noonan can go screw herself! same with Kathleen Parker, Maureen Dowd, and all other so called elite women that criticized Sarah Palin!

    When Palin gets elected, how sweet would it be for her to have a lot of the PUMA women that supported her on her staff?

  • Chicago

    BO is voting in Chicago right now and him and Me-chelle are taking forever to complete their ballot…..hmmmm, I hope that BO’s staff told him that there’s no point looking for “present” on the ballot since it won’t be there!

    LOL!

  • NC DEM.

    First time for this lifelong democrat too.

  • BettsAZ

    Just returned from voting McCAIN/PALIN! :) …odd there were only 3 people voting.That may be a good sign as I live in a very liberal county and our voting station is right next to a major University.

  • anon

    *S* It’s finally November 4th. Have a pleasant evening!

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