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Thoughts Post -Election

The Map
In the end, the Obama-Biden ticket won 28 states plus the District of Columbia with a total of 364 Electoral College votes (67% of the total). Obama won 52.3% of the popular vote, the highest total for a Democrat since LBJ’s 61.1% in 1964. Obama became the first Democrat to carry North Carolina since 1976 and the first Democrat to carry Colorado and Virginia since 1964. As a measure of comparison, Bill Clinton won 31 states plus DC for 379 ECVs but he only won 49.2% of the popular vote in 1996 (Reform Party candidate Ross Perot won 8.4%).

Obama carried New England, the Mid-Atlantic region, the West Coast and swept the industrial heartland of the mid-west (The Big Ten states) in addition to making inroads in the Mountain West and the South.

The Margin
The final margin looks to be just slightly more than six points which is surprising in some respects. My own expectations had been more on the order of an eight point win especially since Obama was racking up large landslide margins in some of the nation’s populous states. Obama would win five of the ten most populous states by landslide margin and lose but Texas by a landslide margin.

The Polls
Pre-election polls were largely accurate especially in the underlying trends and movement in the race. My thesis on the race was largely accurate and my own prediction of 349 ECVs for the Obama-Biden ticket deviated from the final results in just three states: Missouri, Indiana and North Carolina. In each of these the final tally was under a percentage point differential.

More troubling is the exit polling which for the third successive election failed to accurately call the election. The exit polling projected a margin of victory that far exceeded the actual six point margin.

Rahm Emmanuel
President-elect Obama confirmed the appointment of Congressman Rahm Emanuel as his White House Chief of Staff.

“I announce this appointment first because the chief of staff is central to the ability of a president and administration to accomplish an agenda,” Mr. Obama said in a statement. “And no one I know is better at getting things done than Rahm Emanuel.”

To begin with, I am relieved it’s not former Senator Tom Daschle. It is also a partisan choice and to be frank I was never one who viewed Obama’s post-partisanship as a good thing. Some fights are worth fighting and Congressman Emanuel knows to how fight and hard nosed. A consummate insider, Congressman Emanuel has intimate knowledge of the Washington power broker scene and the legislative ties. Though officially neutral in the primaries, Congressman Emanuel has close ties to the Clinton wing of the party and with the House leadership where he is currently the fourth-ranking Democrat.

So far, the appointment has received mixed reviews from the GOP.

The selection of Mr. Emanuel, known by some as “Rahmbo” because of his toughness, was met with criticism by some Republican lawmakers. The House minority leader, John A. Boehner of Ohio, said in a statement, “This is an ironic choice for a president-elect who has promised to change Washington, make politics more civil and govern from the center.”

But Senator Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican who campaigned strenuously for his close friend Senator McCain called it “a wise choice.”

“Rahm knows Capitol Hill and has great political skills,” Senator Graham said in a statement.

He added: “He’s tough but fair. Honest, direct, and candid. These qualities will serve President-elect Obama well.”

My guess is that Congressman Boehner has been on the losing end of battles and that his comments reflect such. My read is that Senator Graham’s assessment is the more accurate.

Is The GOP Still A National Party?
The last remaining Republican Congressman in New England lost his bid for re-election. Senator Susan Collins did win her re-election bid in Maine. That leaves Collins, Senator Snowe and Senator Gregg as the sole Republicans in the Congress from New England. Here in California, the GOP’s fortunes are tied to Governor Schwarzenegger. Beyond that, it’s hard to see another California Republican on the horizon.

For the GOP, it’s back to drawing board and if I have any advice to offer the GOP it’s don’t take any advice from the American Enterprise Institute, the Heritage Foundation, the CATO Institute or the Hudson Institute. They are the ones that got you in this mess.

From my blog, By The Fault.

  • benny

    Hmm….you’re sending mixed signals, charles. well, to each, his own.

    • anotherone

      Don’t forget Nebraska’s 2nd congressional district. Obama will win an EV there, too.

    • Pennsylvania Red

      When you look at the red/blue electoral map, you see a line of red going straight up the country, from the southern border to the northern border.

      The backbone of our nation.

      Also the slightly more than six point margin is not impressive, taking into consideration the 2-3% you have to shave off for voter fraud.

      • stodghie

        exactly, not impressive at all considering how awful bush and repubs were. it should have been a 10 to 15% win. barky is not that popular.

    • nancy sabet

      I’ve heard that 20% of reublicans did not vote. is that true?

      • Mr. X

        Yup… and 53% of Republicans that voted in the primaries stayed home.

        • Pennsylvania Red

          What’s the source of the data?

          • bert

            You can google this and find it easily. Check out Not Your Sweetie’s web site. That is where I first read it. It was the Christian Right that largely deserted McCain and by doing so elected Obama.

            • Mr. X

              Yup. When McCain went for the bailout, they deserted him faster than spectators at a Milli Vanilli concert. Ended up they saw McCain as a fake conservative who would spend near a trillion dollars of their money. But instead of telling the real story, the MSM said Palin was a drag on the ticket. Those that stayed home ended up hating everything about McCain, Palin included.

              10 million of GOP primary voters stayed home. And many more other Republicans stayed home. McCain was headed toward 70 million voters, but the bailout killed his chances.

            • Pennsylvania Red

              I am curious because when I first learned that Republicans didn’t show up, I asked our local GOP contact. He told me 83% of the Republicans in our precinct showed up to vote.

              I can investigate further, compare it with 2004′s number, etc. Just on an anecdotal note, election night Boxer Mum06 was posting, she said she was in Lansdale and turnout at her polls was low. To me that was a big red flag because AFAIK her area usually votes Republican.

              It will take a while to get the figures compiled by the GOP, and I will be eager to find out. I’m aware that the Christian conservatives wanted Huckabee in the primary.

              Huckabee.

        • Typewriterstreaming

          That just flat out pisses me off. They stayed home because they couldn’t hold their nose long enough to vote for McCain. Piss me off.

      • bert

        McCain received 5 million less votes from Republicans than Bush in 2004. I don’t know what the percentage is. You may be right.

        But it is the Republican party that put this fraud and disaster in waiting into the White House.

        • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

          Look, if I were a Republican, I might strategically vote for Obama so the Democrats take the blame for the next four years, and a stronger Republican is elected in 2012.

          Let’s face it – Obama is an arrogant fool for wanting the White House NOW – this is going to be the toughest presidency ever. If he was smart, he would have waited until Hillary Clinton cleaned up this mess and THEN sailed through an easy 4 years in the future.

          So I think some Republicans want Obama in there now so he fails miserably and they can put a Republican in office in 2012 for 8 long years.

          • bert

            Exactly Hillary or Bust. That is one of the reasons I voted for McCain.No matter who was elected this year it will be a one year Presidency. No one would survive this tough a year. (Well, maube Hilalry. But that is not certain.)

            If the DNC and Dems had voted strategically McCain and the Republicans would be a one-termer and would usher in 30 years of Democrats. Very similar to what happened with Hoover and then FDR that followed.

            Dems are so dumb. They will now deserve what they get and I will not feel sorry at all.

        • Jim S

          Actually, Republicans preferred either Romney or Huckabee over McCain but the media, recognizing that McCain would be easier to defeat, made varying claims about their religions, dividing the Republican base. McCain was propped up and supported by the MSM until the nomination was secured. They then turned on him and supported their chosen one, Obama. Palin was an unseen event. They, the media, recognizing her immediate stardom and the rapid increase in the polls for the McCain/Palin ticket went after her. Their intent was and still is to deny her any chance at higher office. They are afraid of her. Many Republicans stayed home because they do not consider McCain to be either conservative or Republican. The results are similar to Clintons 2nd term when he ran against Dole, and Republicans, although accepting Dole as a conservative, did not vote, not because he was unqualified to be President but that the RNC pushed him because he was “due” to be President.

      • BerlinBerlin

        McCain got 5 million less votes than Bush in 2004!
        Did the evangelicals stay home?
        Even Kerry got more votes in 2004 than McCain.

        • Mr. X

          No, evangelicals voted for McCain, but they were practically the only ones (and not in the percentages that Bush got). They voted for Palin. Moderates voted for McCain. The rest stayed home.

          BTW, it wasn’t 5 million that stayed home. Quadruple that number and you might be in the ballpark.

          • Typewriterstreaming

            20 million Republicans stayed home????!!! Are you serious?
            That makes me absolutely furious. Are they dense or what?

            • Pennsylvania Red

              That doesn’t sound right to me. I’m at work, I can’t really spend a lot of time crunching the numbers, but if McCain got 5 million votes less than Bush in 2004, recall the Security Moms phenomenon, a fair sampling of Independent and Democrat women went for Bush. So that five million less than Bush isn’t restricted to just Republicans.

              Also if 20 million Republicans stayed home against McCain then it follows that 14 million would have stayed home against Bush.

          • PhxNickD

            According to exit polls, 16% of Hillary Democrats did vote for McCain and McCain picked up a larger percentage of GLBT voters then Bush did in 2004 (19% for Bush in 2004 to 27% for McCain in 2008). With only an additional ~177,000 voters in 2008 – something happened! Would be curious to see how many new voters actually turned out and where all the Republicans were.

          • torland077

            I dont think that is true. I have heard that evangelical vote was 20% less than 2004 and they voted only 60-65% for McCain instead of 80%.

          • stodghie

            the evangelicals gave us bush2. i have no love or respect for them. the idealogues on either side bore and irritate me.

  • SJ

    WOW I would think that there are no serious issue in the world, everything is just peachy in the USA now, I see the President elect started off his doing by going to a PTA meeting with his wife, guess Bush can handle whatever is going on .

    • anotherone

      I don’t know what you mean. The regime change is not till end Jan.

  • MrMike

    The republicans tied their fortunes to George W. Bush and for a while it seemed to be a good idea.
    I hope that the Democrats take heed of the lessons and don’t do similar with Obama.

  • KintheNorthwest

    Did you guys see on the other thread that McCain might be winning Indiana after all Ck it out
    http://www.in.gov/apps/sos/election/general/general2008?page=office&countyID=-1&officeID=36&districtID=-1&candidate=

    • JoseyJ

      These are the current results — but Obama “won” Indiana.

      Obama, Barack Joe Biden (Democratic) 1074579
      McCain, John Sarah Palin (Republican) 1171047

      • KintheNorthwest

        To me that means that Obama lost Indiana and that is the way it will go down. That means the people didnt buy into Obama, and that Obama election frauds messes didnt work.

      • HotGreen

        Where do you collect your data? I think the reason you tin foil hat wearing people are so disturbed is you don’t deal with REAL FACTS.

        INDIANA

        Obama 1,367,503
        McCain 1,341,667

        Check it again!

        Yes We Did!
        President Elect Obama

        • BlueDolphin

          Indiana General Election November 4, 2008
          Last Updated November 7, 2008 (05:29 PM)

          Complete turnout information will be available after election night.

          Note: These results are NOT yet official. A number of counties have yet to provide their data to the state. For more information click here.

          President

          District Candidate Votes

          Statewide Obama, Barack Joe Biden (Democratic) 1080584

          Barr, Bob Wayne A. Root (Libertarian) 25553

          McCain, John Sarah Palin (Republican) 1180102

    • JozefAL

      I checked the numbers and found that 4 counties (at this time) are still showing NO results at all. The most important county of those 4 is Marion County, where Indianapolis is located. It has roughly 4 1/2 times the population of the other three counties combined (and, presumably, the same ratio of eligible voters as well). However Marion County swings will determine the outcome for the state (and, presumably, is why the state was declared for Obama). Marion County went to Kerry in 2004 but went to the GOP in the two previous elections (at least–I don’t have readily-available stats before 1996).

  • Obama is not my President

    Mr. Lemos is an Obama supporter (see his web site By the Fault) who criticized PUMA’s in some pretty vile terms.

    I’m surprised to see him post at NoQ.

    • oowawa

      I expect No Quarter will be going through some changes. Good or bad? We’ll see.

    • benny

      hmm….now I understand. yep, I’m surprised too.

      • BerlinBerlin

        Thanks for the information, I thought reading this felt a little odd.
        I dropped CNN, now it looks like I am dropping Fox too. (gets weird, doesn’t it?)
        So I really don’t have any contracts with anybody.

        • rw

          International news sources are the most objective, they have nothing to gain and nothing to lose in reporting on the US. The Am. news networks are yellow press, devoid of journalism standards, Chris the chemically induced leg is its most blatant example.

          • moi61537

            I agree! Best writing has been from the UK and Germany.

          • BerlinBerlin

            Yes, it is true.

            In Germany even the yellow press is more neutral and objective about politics.

            here the so called political news is nothing but gossip and opinion.

            I will read German news online from now on.

        • ritamary

          Check out the BBC and Reuters. The business sections can be quite revealing, even on CNN.com. They have to stay a little closer to reality than the “news” section.

        • La Compania Volante

          Fox is just experiencing the “honeymoon effect.” That will end soon.

      • Typewriterstreaming

        oh brother. Crapster. Right you are. So now what’s up?

    • Betty Lou

      It’s about the truth, really, not the party, pettiness and egotism MUST be cast aside.

      If he’s lying, or disingenuous, it shows, he’ll simply be another Obama equivalent to Rove, or Fox.

      Same thing, no big deal.

      One can only make the best decisions when one sees the truth, not acting from emotion, or bias, or a feeling of being threatened, personally.

      Or even worse, acting from denial, and fear — gotta see the world as it is, right, to truly succeed.

      Which money do you take, you know, says a lot about you — or me.

    • Mandelay

      You are mistaken. Mr. Lemos is not an Obama supporter. Please go to his site and read his postings. On the contrary, his postings indicate his beliefs that Obama was not qualified for the Presidency.

      • Arabella Trefoil

        Mr. Lemnos calls them as he sees them. If you go to his site, you will get a better idea of where he is coming from.

        I would call Mr. Lemnos the John Jay of blogdom, it that means anything to anyont.

        • Mandelay

          Si, Arabella! It means a lot!

  • chris

    Hard not to be impressed by this margin of victory. Thanks for the breakdown, Charles.

    • torland077

      It’s hard not to be impressed if you dont know anything about election history. The final numbers pale in comparison to average victory margins over the last 9 elections. Average pct. of popular vote: 53% (without a viable 3rd candidate), Average number of states carried: 36 and average electoral count: 388. He is less then the average on all counts. Compared to the last two, which were nail biters, it impressive but 6 of the previous nine winners had higher numbers in all three catagories.

      • ItsUptheWayNotAcross

        He beat Bill Clinton

        • torland077

          He beat Clinton how? Clinton carried more states, had a higher electoral count and the only reason he beat his % is cause it was a 3 way race. Plus who cares the point is it’s not very impressive. It’s below average.

          He lost to Nixon.
          He lost to Reagan.
          He lost to H.W. Bush.

          His win is average even with all the advantages he had.

          • Cixelsyd

            Bill first won in 1992. It’s sort of misleading to compare Obama’s victory with Clinton’s 1996 win (when he was an incumbent President riding a record of peace and prosperity). I’d like to see a comparison of Obama 2008 vs. Clinton 1992.

            I have a feeling Obama cleans up in that comparison.

            Matt

        • stodghie

          hell will freeze over before bark can best bill clinton at anything.

  • Betty Lou

    WOW I would think that there are no serious issue in the world, everything is just peachy in the USA now, I see the President elect started off his doing by going to a PTA meeting with his wife,
    ————-

    Good, even if it’s for show, at least he’s listening interacting with the middle class people around him.

    Obama’s daughters, btw, his children, are beautiful, aren’t they?

    I know it won’t happen, but it would be classy (and ultimately smart) to respect them as children, not using them as soft targets.

    I despised the attacks on Chelsea Clinton, even those on the Bush daughters, nothing worse than CHILDREN being attacked by sniveling, self hating adults, IMO.

    (Some invitations should be turned down, I guess haters get Alzheimer’s, too — LOL…)

    • Obama is Human?

      Like everyone else it would be nice to know what happened to Obama’s grandmother. Is he going to attend some type of service for her or what. Looks like no news can be found except for offical announcement on the third.

      • Betty Lou

        Right — but really, he, and we are facing bigger problems, right, all of that a distraction from a broken economy, and two wars.

        I’m far more alarmed by the economic team he has chosen, patronage more important than talent, indicating he has no understanding, whatsoever, in terms of what he is facing.

        And that means more Bush and Cheney, and in the end, it’s about the welfare of the US.

        Right?

        • rw

          “I’m far more alarmed by the economic team he has chosen, patronage more important than talent, indicating he has no understanding, whatsoever, in terms of what he is facing.”

          With millions in contributions and spending during the two years of campaigning, I’d say Obama has 4 years of patronage to pay back..and even that won’t be enough time. But, he is from Chicago so it must be business as usual for him.

          • Betty Lou

            I agree, it will be Chicago, in Washington.

            Look to Blago, and you see the future of Washington.

            Il is broken, by the way, last I read.

      • athena

        Actually, don’t have the link but he and family are going to Hawaii in December to “pay their respcts” before taking office. Wow, nothing like putting it off.

    • AF catfish

      His children go to a private school that costs $20k per year. I hardly think he’s interacting with the middle class by attending this teacher meeting.

    • Hope

      There are no middle class people aroound him. His daughters do not attend Chicago Public School.

  • NCgirl

    Thanks Charles. I live in NC, and Obama won by the slimest of margins here. It was something like 10,000 votes. I attribute that to Acorn being in NC causing rampant voter fraud.

    • KintheNorthwest

      Now that is a type of voting difference could be due to voter fraud.

      • Pennsylvania Red

        Especially in the year of ACORN yes that is a voter fraud margin.

      • fluffy bunny

        really sad…

    • NCgirl

      Typo…slimmest.

      • Typewriterstreaming

        slim was pretty on target too.

    • csuzeq

      I checked NC’s website this afternoon and McCain has more votes. So does Indiana. MO was tied and I couldn’t find the results on their website.

      It pisses me off to see that. Not that Mccain could win with those elctorals, but it should not look like such a big win for Obama.

  • lark

    Thoughts Post -Election

    Which brand of GM cars will remain and which one will be finished.

    Pontiac will be finished.

    • Seattle McMoss

      Only Chevy and Cadillac will remain.
      What gets me is how people complain about what’s happening while driving their foreign cars with Obama stickers attached.

      Me personally…I love my big Chrysler 300 even though I know it’s the last of the big all American cars.
      Many people may be surprised to know that out of all the cars I have ever owned this one has the best quality and looks.

      Buy American if you can!!!

      • Betty Lou

        Me personally…I love my big Chrysler 300 even though I know it’s the last of the big all American cars.

        They look like giant potatoes, sorry, like the BMW’s, the 7 series, I think, “that car is a potato on wheels.”

        I guess I dont care what I drive, at this point I’m thinking it’s more of a challenge to utilize fuel more efficiently, it’s an intellectual challenge, of sorts, a creative challenge, too.

        Sorry, dont mean to offend, each to his own…

        • http://deleted Buzz Latte

          Well aren’t you special…

          • Betty Lou

            Well, yeah, I am, I like to think I’m the king, you know, a man who acts like an obtuse fat, angry high school girl, you know, the type who gets people banned from google, because he’s threatened by their opinions…

            Just an opinion, you know…

            • http://deleted Buzz Latte

              You’re entitled to your opinion. Keep in mind that’s all it is. it holds no necessary value except to you.

        • Seattle McMoss

          I like BMW and I almost bought one. then I started looking up the maintenance required.
          $400 batteries
          $1000 brake jobs
          $7000 transmissions
          There is a reason they have 50,000 bumper to bumper.if you go over the limit you pay as if it were a boat.

          My 300 will easily put on 100k with little or no problems. I’ve already put on 50k with no problems at all.

          • Betty Lou

            Yeah, I bought one of those, too.

            Worst decision I ever made, all the fun of driving fast on an empty freeway was offset by maintenance costs, and speeding tickets.

            And it was stupid of me to buy that car, (BMW 5 series) and drive that fast, a decision I regret.

            Ah, reckless youth, lesson learned, pretension doesn’t pay.

      • Pennsylvania Red

        Buy American if you can!!!

        Buy from a McCain supporter if you can!

        Yesterday I posted about a friend who transferred his funds to another broker when he discovered his broker was an 0bot.

        This is my plan going forward, my purchases will be contingent on finding out who the seller supported.

        • Typewriterstreaming

          Hear! Hear!!!!

      • bert

        What is a foreign car these days? The Honda plant in Marysville, Ohio (north west of Columbus) builds about 40% of all Hondas driven in the Midwest these days. That plant employees thousands of Ohioians.

        The American car industry did not adapt with the times. They kept producing gas guzzlers so that they could make high profits when Americans wanted high gas mileage. American cars break down too often. My Toyota is great. High gas mileage and easy on the checkbook maintenance wise.

        The unfortunate part of the American car companie’s demise is that its employees will be the ones who suffer if they go bankrupt. And this would effect industries and communities right on down the line. I am really torn between free market and helping them on this one.

      • Cixelsyd

        All American? Hardly.

        Your “All American” Chrysler 300 is built in Canada.

        Matt

    • PattyR

      Buick, too.

  • Annie

    When does the vetting start on Obama?

  • Suisser

    I interested to see, at his press conference this afternoon, which Obama will show up. Will it be the preacher? The stand-up comic? The professor? The “brother”? The stuttering, stumbling Congressman? So many voices, so many choices….

    • rw

      It will all depend on what/who he’ll be taking about/to.

    • bert

      Will he use a teleprompter??????

      • hadenough

        Ha!

        Also will he have a list of reporters he calls on? Only friendly reporters get called on.

        It should be on c-span:
        Sen. Obama to hold his first press conference since Tuesday’s win shortly– at 2:30 pm ET in the world-famous Hilton on Michigan Avenue in Chicago.

    • Typewriterstreaming

      It’ll be the love me myself tender song.

  • http://elect2009.wordpress.com OMGIAMGOINGNUTS – Cindie

    Well I received what I dreaded since obama won. The thank you letter from the Senator McCain and Governor Palin. It asked that we support obama. My response was as follows:

    Senator McCain, Governor Palin, and families,

    We enjoyed making calls for your campaign and standing behind you. We thank you and Gov. Palin for all your hard work (as well as the family members). I will pray for Senator obama but I can’t support him.

    Sincerely,

    Cindie

  • http://www.anvp.typepad.com soldier4hillary

    SGT Rogers post election thoughts:
    While the world is joyful of this historical nomination, with feelings of euphoria as they desperatly seek “change”. I find myself wondering why I feel no joy…hmmmm…Let me see, Oh I remember. I am too busy answering questions that I have no answer to. Today’s question revolves around the new letter to Obama from Ahmadinejad.

    “I congratulate you for attracting the majority of votes in the election,” Mr. Ahmadinejad wrote in his message, an Iranian news agency, ISNA, reported. “As you know, opportunities that are bestowed upon humans are short lived,” he wrote, adding that he hoped Mr. Obama would make the most of the opportunity.

    Pause. “As you know, opportunities that are bestowed upon humans are short lived” Sounds like a threat to me, but hey, what do I know. My vote didn’t get to count, as well as whole lot of others that are deployed that sent in there ballots.

    • Pennsylvania Red

      Do you know about the Vets for Freedom PAC?

      http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/

      John Murtha was re-elected after he trashed his own constitutents. Stunning.

      I think our nation is in the throes of acting out a collective Death Wish.

      • Typewriterstreaming

        I still believe there were thousands of bogus votes. That’s why way back when Donna Brazile was so arrogantly confident of winning. Ditto Pelosi. They knew something.

    • rw

      “As you know, opportunities that are bestowed upon humans are short lived”

      poetic line. maybe an invitation to meet…but that invitation is short lived, after he’ll make Obama’s political life a living hell.

  • NYC

    I’ve just received an email from Mr. & Mrs. John McCain. It reads as follows:

    Cindy and I would like to take a moment to thank you for your loyal and steadfast support during the course of this campaign. Governor Palin, her husband Todd, our families, friends and campaign staff extend our deep appreciation for your tireless dedication, support and friendship.

    It is the end of a long journey and your support through the ups and downs has meant more to us than you may ever know.

    Although we were disappointed with the results, we must move beyond this campaign and work together to get our country moving again.

    It is our sincere hope that you will join us in putting our country first and continue to work to keep our nation safe, free and prosperous.

    We urge you to join us in not just congratulating Senator Obama, but offering our next president our good will and earnest effort to find ways to come together as a nation. Whatever our differences may be, we are all fellow Americans.

    We are truly blessed to live in this great country and call ourselves Americans, and we will forever be her loyal servants.

    Today, let there be no reason now for any American to fail to cherish their citizenship in this, the greatest nation on Earth.

    With warm gratitude,
    Cindy McCain John McCain

    I am afraid it will be very difficult for me to comply with Mr. McCain’s request. I love my country but I don’t like BHO at all.

    • http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com OBAMA IS A FRAUD

      I got the email from the McCains too. I am always amazed by their class and dignity. Two words BO has never heard. I am sorry. I will never accept BO and I am never accepting that he “won.” We all know about the voter fraud, the media, the money, etc. In a normal, fair election BO would have been kicked to the curb. That’s my position and it will remain so until we can get rid of him.

      • chris

        Gonna be a long eight years for you. And without much joy, evidently.

        • Karma

          Is your joy only gained by the White House? What a sad life you lead…lol

          I say it is you who will have the long years while Obama is in office.

          ‘Obama is a fraud’ never drank the kool-aid, so he/she will not be upset when Obama reveals himself to the kool-aid crowd.

          In fact, I suspect a bit of laughter will be involved when you guys hit the hangover stage. ;)

          Good luck….

        • http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com OBAMA IS A FRAUD

          It won’t be much joy for you either and it certainly will NOT be 8 years. I will still be surprised if he makes it six months without a big scandal that has him removed.

          • chris

            Keep a good thought, mate. Country first!

            • Pennsylvania Red

              Which country do you support?

              • stodghie

                pennsylvania, take a hike!

            • http://deleted Buzz Latte

              That’s rich coming from an Opod troll.
              I agree. “Chris” must support the country of “Obamasgonnaeffitupistan”.

    • Typewriterstreaming

      I’ll tell him the same thing I told Hillary: “NO.”

    • PhxNickD

      Us democrats absolutely loved Hillary and would not do that. McCain is very aware of that and can expect the same feelings from his supporters.

  • Margaret

    Thanks for this analysis. I’m unable to watch MSM or go to mainstream web sites, and have been curious about the margins…

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte

    I don’t think anyone is alone in not supporting Obama. Bush is a low as a president, but Obama is the new low.

    It’s all pretty empty words now.

    • /www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibsP6XN2dIo&eurl trixta

      Why was Karl Rove so tepid this election? Could it be that he and his Oil accomplices wanted Obama to win, since Palin and McCain (and Clinton) were the true reformers?

      Obama is Phase II of the GWB regime . . . same Puppet Masters, different Puppet.

      Ideological “differences” had nothing to do with this election. It’s all about $ and who controls the remaining natural resources in the world.

      • /www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibsP6XN2dIo&eurl trixta

        Okay, ideological differences are used as a divide-and-conquer strategy to keep the powers that be in power.

        Obama . . . GWB . . . it’s all the same to me.

        • Betty Lou

          What are the cracks, though, smug, stupid people rarely understand HOW they’re being gamed, hence their constant decline, ie, for all their wins, why do they seem to lose more control?

          Life is one constant crisis for them.

  • NYC

    The new kid on the block has been calling the world leaders asking for advise. I guess he has the ball now and doesn’t know what to do with it. Or maybe he asking them how they would like him to play.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081107/ts_afp/usvote

  • bornagaindem

    What I find striking is that the numbers of voters who voted for president in 2004 was 62 million for Bush and 59 million for Kerry for 121 million voters. The numbers from this election that I have seen say Obama 65 million and McCain 57 million for a total of 122 million. That is only A million more voters, that is a pretty piddling in this fabulous change election. What is the number one would expect from population increases in a 4 year period? Back of the napkin estimates for population increase is 10 million so bottom line is the “precious” didn’t increase voter turnout by much if at all. How is that? And what does that say for the greatest ground campaign evah! Just asking?

    • chris

      To be fair, I think the fact that Obama was the most successful Democratic presidential candidate in 44 years (in terms of popular-vote share) says a lot about his ground campaign.

      Political scientists will be studying Team Obama’s strategy and tactics for many years to come.

      • Betty Lou

        Already have, it’s Rove, but less.

        The point is Obama’s people must be truthful with themselves as to why they won, otherwise, like Bush and Cheney, they’ll think they’re smart.

        And they will use the same tactics in governing, and this is real, they’ll end up like Bush and Cheney, too.

        Best to open the window, if they can’t see it, they’re screwed, it pays to have someone on board who can see outside their own head.

      • torland077

        That is ridiculous. Again if you study his numbers historically they are not that impressive. The only reason you can pull out a useless stat like “the most successful Dem prez candidate in 44 years” is because there was no crazy billionaire pumping his money into the race to deflate the numbers.

        He won because he captured 95+ percent of the black vote and conservatives didnt feel they had a real choice. There they wont have to study for many years to come.

        • chris

          Obama ’08: 65 million votes…

          Bush ’04: 62 million…

          Bush ’00: 50 million…

          Clinton ’96: 47 million…

          Clinton ’92: 45 million…

          Bush ’88: 49 million.

          • http://deleted Buzz Latte

            How many of those were double and triplicate ACORN votes?

            No, Obama just cheated his way to the WH.

            • Typewriterstreaming

              How about those dead voters. I never saw any get out their vote like this in my life.

          • JozefAL

            What of it, Chris?
            The key point is that the TOTAL vote cast this year is just marginally better than 2004.
            In 2004, 122,293,548 votes were cast for President. This year, the numbers show 121,207,153. That, my friend, is a DECREASE. In spite of all the “massive” voter registration drives, Obama’s great “win” showed that at least 1 million FEWER people turned out to vote for anyone (1,086,395, to be exact).
            In fact, in 2004, the combined total votes cast for the Democratic and the Republican candidates amounted to 121,069,049; this year, that total was 119,571,142. Again, a voter LOSS of nearly 1.5 million (1,497,907, to be exact).
            Just for comparison, the total votes cast for all others in 2004 came to 1,224,499; this year the number was 1,635,291–an INCREASE of 410,792 votes. (While the overall voting pattern showed a LOSS in voters, the third parties showed a GAIN. This is, of course, down from the high in 1992 when Perot alone took more than 19 MILLION votes, but when the Big Two can’t afford to lose a single vote, it can’t be a pleasant fact.)

            • chris

              Obama = 65 million votes.

          • torland077

            I know this is too deep of thought for you but A) number of voters goes up because the population goes up so comparing raw numbers from 20 years ago is ridiculous b) comparing a three way race to a two way race is stupid (par for your course) C) the closest race to compare to 2004 he only outperformed Bush by about 4% with US population increasing at 1 percent per year 4 years would be…. oh, 4%. Were you crowing about how impressive it was that Bush received 62 million votes in 2004?

            Again,

            It’s hard not to be impressed if you dont know anything about election history. The final numbers pale in comparison to average victory margins over the last 9 elections. Average pct. of popular vote: 53% (without a viable 3rd candidate), Average number of states carried: 36 and average electoral count: 388. He is less then the average on all counts. Compared to the last two, which were nail biters, it impressive but 6 of the previous nine winners had higher numbers in all three catagories (except in 3 way race %wise).

            Below average not impressive.

            • chris

              You forget that Obama had the disadvantage of being a Muslim, an Arab, a socialist, a Marxist, a terrorist sympathizer, etc., etc.

              Now that’s impressive.

          • stodghie

            chris, thanks for proving voter fraud. now go home the police are cruising and don’t like sidewalk sitters.

  • http://AmericasFavoriteTerrorist.com Gerard McNedich

    I just got my 2nd thank you email from the Mccain campaign…

    i have been spammed on an almost daily basis for cash by Obama after he took over Hillary’s mailing list…

    I still haven’t received a thank you email from the Obama campaign…

    I was good enough to hit up for my hard earn cash but a simple thank you email was beyond Dear Leader…

    hmm… I don’t think Dear Leader knows what he is doing…

    or he has his head so far up his own ass he can’t bother with the simple civilities that most of us take for granted… sort of like fair reflection and every vote counts kind of a thing…

    america is already going down the toilet and it isn’t even a week since Nov. 4th…

    a. hillary
    b. mccain

    america first!

    • skinny malinky

      What would he be thanking you for?

      • Mr. X

        After that question, let there be no doubt why Obama won. I think my IQ dropped just reading it.

        • Karma

          LOL

      • Typewriterstreaming

        LOL

  • fluffy bunny

    Perhaps Joe Biden can oversee a partition plan for the USA? It really seems like our country has gotten way too big, congressional districts have gotten way too big….people are so isolated from the political process that they could swoon en masse for a manufactured pop-culture candidate for president.

    Jack Murtha won reelection in a landslide after Haditha and calling his own constituents racists and rednecks. His district contains lots of counties….I just wonder how many of the people who voted for him had even heard about his disgusting Haditha accusations against our Marines, which have been all over the news because of the exoneration and subsequent defamation lawsuits filed against Murtha.

    • Pennsylvania Red

      The Murtha re-election proves that a majority of the electorate went to the polls in a brain-dead state.

      Women who enthusiastically went for that one after his surrogates and supporters exhibited the most vile misogyny; Pennsylvanians who re-elected a man who INSULTED them. 0bama is the choice of the no self-esteem crowd.

  • benny

    Congressman Boehner is wrong and senator graham is right. Any evidence to back that up? Or is it just a convenient conclusion?

    ‘Is The GOP Still A National Party?’
    Thats plain ridiculous.

    Also, should obama listen to moveon.org and other far-left organisations, the way you list American Enterprise Institute, the Heritage Foundation, the CATO Institute or the Hudson Institute for the GOP?

  • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

    OT – Someone at HuffPo is trying to claim that Republicans have performed election fraud in Alaska.

    Unfreakinbelievable.

  • NYC
  • Mandelay

    If anyone has the interest or time, please see the posting at
    http://www.theariespoint.blogspot.com regarding a group called The New Agenda.
    I have no idea if they are on the level, but it sounds interesting, especially if you are interested in more power for women in the Executive Branch (particularly in the Oval Office). You’ll find a link in Kaylin’s article at The Aries Point.

  • untilthelastdogdies

    if I have any advice to offer the GOP it’s don’t take any advice from the American Enterprise Institute, the Heritage Foundation, the CATO Institute or the Hudson Institute. They are the ones that got you in this mess.

    Amen to that Charles!

    Let’s see how long these groups last in the Post-Bush era…

    • Betty Lou

      Why do you feel Obama’s “think tank” types are superior to Cheney’s?

      Serious question…

      • http://deleted Buzz Latte

        What? Obama can’t lead his way out of a paper bag and you’re worried about think tanks?

  • POdVet

    Right now the DOW is up 175 as people await the Obamessiahs first post election press conference. So here is my prediction. He will do one of 3 things.

    A) Announce his continued intention to raise taxes sending the markets into an immediate recession.

    B) Announce that in the interest of economic growth he will betray his promises to the nutjob far left and the market will have a small rise while the Obamatons begin to get a dose of reality.

    C) He will waffle speaking in long winded rhetoric that answers no questions whatsoever and the market will slide back down to where it was at the beginning of the day.

    My bet is on option C as we all know Obama likes those “present” votes. I expect his first several months to be nothing but “PRESENT”

    • benny

      I just hope obama keeps his big mouth shut today. If he says the word ‘economy’ publicly during the trading session, the markets will start crashing again. The DOW is up by hardly 2%. hope obama doesn’t screw it up. sort of reminds me of bush. :)

    • http://AmericasFavoriteTerrorist.com Gerard McNedich

      -=chortle=-

      a. hillary
      b. mccain

      america first!

  • C.S.

    Do we no longer care how Soertoro/Obama “won”? The Senator Clinton delegates given to him forgotten? Because if this is how the political “game” is played why did we bother getting so worked up over Bush? He was just “business as usual”. No wonder Pelosi thought he had done nothing to be impeached for.

    There is nothing “historical” about this, it is just another footnote in history to accompany the McCarthy era, the Nixon “dirty tricks”, Reagan’s arms for hostages deal. So why bother worrying about 6.5% unemployment, the bailout, the mortgage crisis or our two wars; it will still be there in four years for the next guy in the political line and We the People will still be turning the same old political grindstone.

    • http://AmericasFavoriteTerrorist.com Gerard McNedich

      because we could of had Hillary…

      and then we could of had Mccain/Palin…

      a. hillary
      b. mccain

      america first!

  • hadenough

    Voter turnout lower than predicted

    WASHINGTON, D.C. (November 6, 2008)–Despite lofty predictions by some academics, pundits, and practitioners that voter turnout would reach levels not seen since the turn of the last century, the percentage of eligible citizens casting ballots in the 2008 presidential election stayed at virtually the same relatively high level as it reached in the polarized election of 2004.

    A downturn in the number and percentage of Republican voters going to the polls seemed to be the primary explanation for the lower than predicted turnout. The percentage of eligible citizens voting Republican declined to 28.7 percent down 1.3 percentage points from 2004. Democratic turnout increased by 2.6 percentage points from 28.7 percent of eligibles to 31.3 percent. It was the seventh straight increase in the Democratic share of the eligible vote since the party’s share dropped to 22.7 percent of eligibles in 1980.
    http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/voter_turnout_lower_than_predi.html

    bush has destroyed the repub party. This is at least the worst climate for repoubs since nixon. I’d say worse than nixon. Yet obama could not turn out huge numbers of dems and repubs. The repub crossover doesn’t look so good either. Remember ‘everybody luvs obama.’ Worst climate maybe since maybe ever for repubs. But the percentage of voter turn out just equaled 2004. Something doesn’t add up? We were told obama ran The Greatest Campaign In The History Of The World. We are told everybody luvs obama. We were told huge numbers of voters registered just so they could vote for the beloved obama. And the percentage of voter turn out equals 2004. Explain that.

    The “liberal media” did everything they could to tie bush around mccain’s neck but obama was so much of nothing massive amounts of voters did NOT show up to vote for him. Maybe there is another explanation for the not huge turn out. Maybe the “liberal media” lied to us for almost 2 years? Maybe the “liberal media” loved their chosen one but Americans not so much? Huge new voter turn out? Not so much. I don’t know maybe somebody can explain what happened or better why what didn’t happen happened.

  • http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com OBAMA IS A FRAUD

    I personally am getting thrilled that if I am stuck with Obama then I can think this way…

    I am glad that the liberal freaks in Congress and Obama get to deal with the financial crisis. Their little stunts with Fannie and Freddie caused it and they all lined their pockets with money from it, thieves and pigs that they are. I’m almost grateful that Senator McCain is spared having to deal with it and take the fall. Obama will destroy the country for two years, to the point that Bush will look like the best President in history. All of the people who thought they were getting a free ride on Obama’s empty promise train will be DISGUSTED by him. And in 2010 we take back Congress from filth and garbage like Pelosi and Reid. Obama will be powerless for two years and won’t be able to keep screwing the country with his insane socialist nonsense, and in 2012 a GOP wins. We just have to hide our money, keep safe, even if it means moving elsewhere for two years, and suffer until we can take the country back.

    • wodiej

      After reading about this and giving it some thought, you have a good point. We need to watch and see if there are any moderate Democrats who will have the guts to not go along w all of Obama’s ideas.

    • benny

      but I’m not convinced about his national security credentials. that’ll be a big problem. International diplomacy is a whole new ballgame. russia, iran and others look at him as a wimp. and his lack of support to israel is just plain dangerous.

      • Not convinced

        Haha. Lack of support for Israel? Do you even hear yourself talking?

        Obama has repeatedly stated he would support Israel. Are you just going to say “We dont believe that”? What reason is there to doubt that? He has never done anything to the contrary.
        That would be the same as me saying, “oh McCain wont support Israel.” There’s no basis for either statement.

        • benny

          Know your facts first. thats all I’ll say to a troll. What I stated was absolutely true. Read obamas books, and his first statements on Israel. yes, he modified it to get elected. but thats not who he is. well, I’m wasting time explaining to a troll. :)

          • stodghie

            benny you are a troll, now go get a real job.

        • POdVet

          What reason to doubt it?!? How about his association with Farrakhan? Don’t believe there is one? Then why was a large portion of his staff Nation of Islam members? It certainly wasn’t because they were the most qualified for the job. How about his attending the good-bye party for Khalidi. If there wasn’t anything to it, why is the LA Times still hiding the tape? Obama has no record of supporting Israel, none! All he has is a moment of pandering to get the Jewish vote.

      • anotherone

        This I don’t agree with. He’s hired Rahm Emanuel who served in the IDF and whose family all lives there (a A+ grade from all Israeli orgs) and European leaders *love* Obama. He’s got a supertight alliance with them already (because Europe is politically much more leftish Dem than GOP – look at their reaction to Palin). Putin had undisguised hatred for Hillary Clinton so I expect US-Russian relations will improve a little.

        • benny

          wrong

          • anotherone

            I assume you are referring to the Israel stuff: Rahm would never serve a pres who was not unflinchingly pro-Israel.

            • benny

              wrong again. Obama is president, not Rahm. Its just a job for Rahm. Obama is very Israel-critical. Read his books and previous statements.

              What you are saying is equivalent to saying : Most american jews voted for obama. yes, that may be true. but that is not for the good of israel.

              • anotherone

                I’m afraid you are wrong on this one. Being critical of Israel from time to time is not the same as not being pro-Israel. Israel is not perfect, any more than any country is (though more so than the US after its shenanigans in Iraq). I’d trust the aggregate judgment of the Jewish people on this one: they have a very well developed sense of who will act in Israel’s interests. Note how they all ignored Lieberman’s advice: he gave the sense that he was turning Israel into a political pawn simply to get his friend elected. Incidentally, the choice of Palin did not help McCain with the Jewish vote.

                • benny

                  not just critical. blatantly anti-israel, and in support of the opposition. wait and watch….

                  yes, I trust the jewish people too. but Israeli jews, not american jews.

                • Not convinced

                  I agree with you wholeheartedly.

                  Israel, just like every other country in the world, deserves its fair share of criticism. Maybe its just me, but is anyone else kind of scared/annoyed/disappointed by how saying anything critical of israel has turned into anti-semitism?

            • Mr. X

              Rahm did not want the job, but accepted because it would look bad on the new Prez-elect. It may simply be political survival at this point just like what Hillary did.

        • Karma

          Read up on Zbig…Obama’s advisor.

          Russia considers him their bin Laden.

          Russia knows this and that is why they started their missle displays, tested the thermobaric bomb, while resuming bomber runs, and military operations.

  • Not convinced

    Thanks Charles, for a well thought out and balanced article. Much thanks. I hope this represents a steady trend for NQ.

    • http://deleted Buzz Latte

      Are you saying that you’re a balanced troll? Able to see truth about Obama yet?

      • Not convinced

        Yes, I am balanced. No, I’m not a troll. Yes, I’ve seen the truth. Quite a long time ago.
        This article said nothing negative about Obama. It was just realistic. I like that.

  • wodiej

    Didn’t Emmanuel stab a table w a steak knife at some dinner several years ago naming names and saying “kill” or “dead” each time he stabbed the table?? Yea, real stable guy.

  • Andy

    Charles L:

    “My thesis on the race was largely accurate and my own prediction of 349 ECVs for the Obama-Biden ticket deviated from the final results in just three states: Missouri, Indiana and North Carolina.”

    Has Missouri been called already? If so for who?

  • http://moniquemonicat.wordpress.com/2008/11/01/%E2%80%A2-obama-antichrist-antimessiah-anti-israel-anti-you-%E2%80%A2-the-blood-of-jesus-stands-against-you-obama/ MoniQue

    NO PRAYERS FOR OBAMA

    Obama is not a natural US born citizen and therefore got this election through trickery and coercion. He is not my president, only in name.

    Obama used the name of Jesus Christ to try to get the Christians to vote for him and he used a photo op at the Holy Wailing Wall in Jerusalem to get the Jewish vote. For 20 years he attended a “church” where the pastor cursed and used God’s name in vain from the pulpit, to get the black vote. In my opinion, he might as well of used the “F” word in the “sanctuary,” which I’m sure he has anyway, just never got on tape. And it is very clear about how he and Obama feel about Israel and the Jews.

    Am I to assume you’d also instruct the German Christians back in Hitler’s day to pray for the “wisdom and safety of Adolf Hitler? Brothers and sisters, it’s time to check yourselves on that one.

    There are far more scriptures in complete contrast to praying for a monster like Obama. I don’t recall Jesus calling for prayer for Caesar, Herod, or even Judas for that matter. Peter did not pray for Ananias and Saphira who came to him with a lie on their lips; and the early Christians did not pray for Nero’s safety and wisdom. In fact, Jesus said He only prays for the ones that the Father has given him, those who’s names are in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

    AND I DON’T RECALL JOHN THE BAPTIST PRAYING FOR HEROD: HE SAT OUTSIDE HEROD’S GATES AND DECLARED TO HIM AND THE WORLD THAT HEROD WAS IN VIOLATION OF GOD’S LAW AGAINST ADULTERY. AND HE GOT HIS HEAD CHOPPED OFF FOR IT.

    Now we have a man Obama that supports infanticide, homosexual marriage, Islam (praying to the moon god, which YWH forbids), racially divided churches, and splitting the land of Israel, and he accepts worship and adoration as a deity: all of which is far greater sin than Herod marrying his brother’s wife.

    No, we’d better pray for the courage to stand in the faith against such a monster.

    http://moniquemonicat.wordpress.com/2008/11/05/%E2%80%A2-no-prayers-for-obama/

    • Arabella Trefoil

      Obama is a coward. He will not be able to fullfill his duties.

      And he is lazy as well.

      • ArmyMomForObama

        now how can you be believeable when you say “obama is lazy”. HOW would you know that? He does not appear “lazy” to me. Stupid inane comments like that is what make you all look like hillbillies.

        what happened to country first. whether you voted for someone or not you still should wish for them to be successfull in their job. sore losers.

  • Rah-Rah

    If there are any Obama supporters online today, I would be curious to know how you are feeling about Obama’s rumored – and some already placed – appointments. Many ex-Clinton staffers are back on board. Are you cool with that? It doesn’t seem to fit in to his pledge and promise of doing things differently.

    I’d really like to know how you feel.

    • Mandelay

      Yup, I was very surprised to see the Clinton wing getting so much power in the administration of “change.” What’s up with that? What’s really going on here?

    • hadenough

      Their silence is deafening.

      The few liberal-whacko-sphere comments I have seen regarding Emanuel are along the lines of: Greatest Chief Of Staff Pick Ever. About a year ago “liberals” were gonna run Emanuel out of town on a rail. Now they luv him. That is some strong ass kool aide.

    • stodghie

      i think its sorta funny. more clinton retreads and fewer obots. hehehe!

  • http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com OBAMA IS A FRAUD

    Yeah, right, “Hope and Change.” Yawn. Dirty, filthy, sick, twisted back room Chicago Machine Politics just moved into the White House. Obama is going to use whatever resources we have with his corrupt pals to bail out the banks. NONE of the money we have will be used for OLiar’s “social plans.” No free ride for the freaks that voted for him. Just business as usual with the rich getting richer in BO’s elite little corrupt band of thieves. And when this nation is bankrupt the fools that voted for him will drown in their own abject poverty stricken Kool-Aid bath.

  • pumatiza

    President-elect Barack Obama’s newly appointed chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, served on the board of directors of the federal mortgage firm Freddie Mac at a time when scandal was brewing at the troubled agency and the board failed to spot “red flags,” according to government reports reviewed by ABCNews.com. According to a complaint later filed by the Securities and Exchange Commission, Freddie Mac, known formally as the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation, misreported profits by billions of dollars in order to deceive investors between the years 2000 and 2002.

    Emanuel was not named in the SEC complaint (click here to read) but the entire board was later accused by the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) (click here to read) of having “failed in its duty to follow up on matters brought to its attention.”

  • pumatiza
  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

    Conservatives did not want McCain nominated. Me and everyone I know who thinks like me did not want McCain and none of us guessed that he’d end up getting the nomination.

    What we heard from the so-called Moderate Republicans is that McCain is the only one who could appeal to non-conservatives.

    A lot of conservatives like me are extremely skeptical of this claim because if someone doesn’t support conservative principles like restraining the Fed Govt, strong national defense, etc… why would they support the Republicans at all? Why not vote for a Democrat instead of a Democrat Lite?

    And that’s just what Moderate Republicans ended up doing … they voted for Obama.

    It was only the Conservatives who learned the truth about the Radicalness of Obama that ended up supporting McCain (no matter how unenthusiastically).. the moderate Republicans left.

    The way this country is going, I skeptical that the Republicans can continue on winning elections.

    Do people care about restraining the Fed Govt? Do they care about the fact that the Constitution put severe limitations on what the national govt can do?

    Do people believe that they are the ones in control of this govt and that they need to select quality peolpe?

    I dont see a lot of these people anymore. Instead I see people who want America to be like Europe. Who want the President to be their town’s School District Board.

    I see people who have no idea what Liberty is who want to tax successful people and take their money away to give it to other, this is done in the name of “being nice”, “being compassionate”, “loving”.. etc… and not do that means the govt is cold, heartless, mean, cruel, greedy. Even though this sort of transaction feeds the worst of human nature and has very few positive outcomes.

    Until people start to think with their minds and not their emotions, Obama will just be the start ,and soon none of us will have to be bothered with elections again

    • ItsUptheWayNotAcross

      You Conservatives will never understand that America is a compassionate Country that does care about its poor, that does care that the richest Country in the World has the most expensive but weakest health care in the World. You are gone. The bible is not the most important voting issue.

      You are also right to say that America is no longer a Conservative Country. The Rove playbook of hate has been rejected. From Junior Senator to President, you lost.

      So if you really now hate your Liberal Country, where you may have Hillary as Leader of the Senate Majority and President Barack Obama, remember when cutting your wrists it is up from the palms and not across.

      • shadow

        56,000,000 people did NOT vote for Obama. Remember that when you toss around the phrase your “liberal country”.

      • http://deleted Buzz Latte

        What a load of altruistic crap. The other side of the coin and there is always another side, it that America doesn’t value lazy asses getting money for doing nothing.

        So you voted for socialism. Are you willing to then say you are a communist?

      • stodghie

        itups! my my are you choking on all the useless rhetoric? words, they are just words and when you put them together they mean nothing.

    • torland077

      Man, relax. America is a center right country, still. Obama won because he outspent McCain 4 to 1. Because the media reported positively 4 to 1. Because Bush’s liberal fiscal policies have turned off many conservatives and reinforcing that with a moderate candidate doesnt help. Because evangelicals stayed home by around 20% compared to 2004. Because the bailout took place just before the election and McCain chose not to politicize it. Everybody wants go crazy every time an election happens and draw these broad conclusions.

      if 4.5 million out of 122 million voters 3.6% switch their vote McCain is president and Obama goes home.Does anyone want argue that if the spending had been equal, the bailout hadnt happened and the media hadnt been in the tank for Obama that McCain wouldnt have won? He was winning when the bailout took place.

  • http://www.anvp.typepad.com soldier4hillary

    I have been getting links from articles asking advice from my soldiers spouses and I just dont get this shit. Under a Obama administration, it will be REQUIRED in middle school to complete 50 hours of community service and 100 in high school according to his new plan on his new site.

    What the fuck are people thinking? THIS is how desperatly you want change that you want to turn your entire life to be dicated and planned by your government?I guess we will have a civilian military after all. Because frankly between all of these third world leaders giving advice as if they have the right, and reading how chidren in middle school and high school have to complete hours of community service they will need all the help they can get.

    Were fighting for democracy not a dictatorship. Every day that goes by more and more shit hit the fan. Others might like there lives dictated, but I damn sure dont. I would rather deploy to Iraq a fourth time then serve under a Obama administration for the next four years. I didnt volunteer or join for this type of government.

    The more he introduces his new policies it gets worse. By the time January comes they wont have to worry about troop withdrawl from Iraq because everyone will be running for the closest exit.For those who have family and friends who voted for Obama. Be sure to congradulate them on screwing us all over. They had a better chance at winning the lottery than getting a check in the mail from the government.

    Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year.

    • http://deleted Buzz Latte

      Why does this remind me of on Sci-fi nightmare? Free will is to be redistributed into the garbage bin of the Obama Nation.

      What was that old song by Mike and the Mechanics?

    • csuzeq

      You said it soldier! I am so angry that Americans are this stupid! The people who voted for Odrama are the same people who chastise the people who voted for GW in 2004 and they can’t even see this empty box with pretty wrappings (according to them, not me)that stinks inside is way worse than GW!

      I do know people who support that fraud and just do not know how to handle them because when it goes bad, as it will, I want to say I told you so, but that won’t help. I’ll have to say so what should we do now? Do you want to use your brain this time?

  • http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com OBAMA IS A FRAUD

    OBAMA’S ‘CHANGE’: BACK TO THE DEMOCRATIC WASHINGTON INSIDERS

    By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

    November 7, 2008

    What’s with Obama’s choice of old-time Clinton cronies and recycled Washington insiders to run the transition to his new politics of change?

    Can’t the anti-Washington insiders President-elect find anyone who isn’t a Beltway has-been?

    Judging by the appointments to his transition committee and leaks about possible top staff and Cabinet choices, Obama appears to be practicing the politics of status quo, not the politics of change.

    Obama based his innovative campaign on an emphatic and convincing commitment to change the culture of Washington and bring in new people, new ideas, and new ways of doing business.

    But now, Obama has definitely changed his tune. As president-elect, he’s brought back the old Washington hacks, party regulars, and Clinton sycophants that he so frequently disparaged. Like Jimmy Carter, the last President who ran as an outsider, Obama has reached out to the same old folks who dominate the Democratic Party and represent the status quo.

    His Transition Committee looks like a reunion of the Clinton Administration. No new ideas of how to reform the system there. The Chairman, John Podesta, was Clinton’s Chief of Staff. He presided over the outrageous last minute pardons and his style is strictly inside-the-beltway and make-no-waves.

    Then there’s Carol Browner, Clinton’s competent former EPA Administrator who became the consummate Washington insider. She’s Madeline Albright’s partner and recently married mega-lobbyist and former Congressman Tom Downey. During the uproar over Dubai taking over U.S. ports, Browner brought Downey to meet with Senator Chuck Schumer to plead Dubai’s case. Downey was paid half a million dollars to push Dubai’s position. He’s also a lobbyist for Fannie Mae, paid half a million to try to cover their rears on the subprime mortgage mess. Is his change?

    Federico Pena was Clinton’s Secretary of Transportation and of Energy. The President felt he was unduly soft on Air Florida after their crash and lost confidence in him. Now he’s back as a Transition Committee member.

    Bill Daley, Clinton’s former Secretary of Commerce and the brother of the Mayor of Chicago, is the epitome of the old Democratic establishment. Clinton appointed him to the Fannie Mae Board and his son worked as a lobbyist for the agency. Aren’t these the kind of folks that Obama ran against?

    Larry Summers, President of Harvard and former Clinton Secretary of the Treasury is not exactly an outsider either. He’s also alienated more than a few with his bizarre suggestion that women may be genetically inferior to men in math and science.

    Susan Rice, Assistant Secretary of State under Clinton advised John Kerry and Mike Dukakis. Does that tell you enough?

    Obama has named one of his big bundlers – Michael Froman, an executive at Citigroup. Is this supposed to symbolize change?

    Obama’s choice of a spokesperson for the transition is also surprising; hers’ is definitely not the face of reason and new politics. Stephanie Cutter is the brash and combative former Clinton, Kerry, and Ted Kennedy mouthpiece. The liberal DailyKos.com once described Cutter as “a moron to the nth degree” when she tried unsuccessfully to force the New York Times’ Adam Nagourney to treat her unsolicited email criticizing Howard Dean as “background” without mentioning her name.

    Speaking of brash, Rahm Emmanuel, the new White House Chief of Staff, makes Cutter look timid. Rahm is also a former Clinton White House staffer – and a very obnoxious one. He spent his White House years leaking to the Washington Post whenever he didn’t like what the President was doing. Even Bill Clinton stopped trusting him. Any hopes of Obama keeping his commitment to reach across the aisle would go right out the window with Rahm’s appointment. Instead of extending a hand to the opposition, it would be like raising just one finger. And Rahm’s strident demeanor laced with the ‘f’ word in every sentence will do little to elevate the bipartisan dialogue in Washington.

    Christopher Edley, another member of the transition team, is Dean of the Berkeley Law School. He’s a former member of the U.S. Civil Rights Commission under Clinton and his wife, Maria Echaveste was Clinton’s Deputy Chief of Staff.

    Transition committee staffer Christine Varney was a Federal Trade Commissioner under Clinton and worked in the White House.

    Throughout the early debates, Obama criticized Hillary as part of the inside-the beltway establishment that needed to go. But now he’s reaching out to these exact same folks. Some change.

    • wodiej

      Don’t forget Jennifer Granholm, Michigan Governor who has led the state in a recession. She is going to be….wait…an Economic Advisor for Obama. Her qualifications? They said “she is charasmatic, and speaks well in public.”

      • http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com OBAMA IS A FRAUD

        Can you imagine? Most of the Obots are just plain too stupid to figure it out. But some people will be smart enough to know what a joke this is and how “Hope and Change” were all lies from the start.

        • http://deleted Buzz Latte

          Oh crap, this is more of a puppet regime than we want to believe.

          This is the death of trust in government for sure.

          The insane inmates have truly taken over the asylum.

  • La Compania Volante

    I posted a version of this earlier—don’t mean to spam, but in the light of what this article and subsequent comments reveal about the failure of a large percentage of Republicans to step up to the plate in this election, I consider it relevant:

    Some in the conservative media are diving wholeheartedly into the “blame McCain, blame Palin” game. Blatant, extremist partisanship is running amok among so-called conservatives right now, including some people I used to respect a great deal.

    Of course, I expected nothing less than blatant, extremist partisanship from the present-day Democrats and the media—sorry, disillusioned Dems, but I’ve seen this trend growing like a tumor in the body politic since the day two intrepid reporters took down Tricky Dick. The “gotcha!” moment itself has become more important than the reason for it or the substance behind it. Nixon’s folly is what turned “Republican” into a dirty word, what started the war between labels, liberal and conservative, and robbed the labels of all meaning.

    Let’s face it, folks, neither “Party” wanted McCain/Palin, regardless of what the average people in those parties, the rank and file Democrats and Republicans, wanted. McCain/Palin represented reform—true change, not the hopey-dopey. They were the true anti-establishmentarians. Their defeat sent our best hope for reform down the drain.

    The two parties that maintain a lock on the national political discourse just weren’t having any of that—”no upstarts, please.” Despite all the public hate and discontent that exists between them, both political parties absolutely lust to maintain the status quo, the good-old-boy version of business as usual, the “gentleman’s agreement.” The elite of the Republican Party actually prefer, I believe, having Obama/Biden and a nearly full Democratic Congress to deal with instead of being forced to deal with McCain/Palin. They did everything they could to suppress voter turnout—Republican base voter turnout.

    And yes, Romney’s people and some of the Bush enthusiasts, along with the Obamites, are trying to destroy Palin to denature the future threat she represents to their cynical political interests. Romney was and still is the choice of the Republican elite and far right, and they’ll do whatever is necessary to protect him for 2012. They expect Obama/Biden to take the hit for the faltering economy, leaving them open for a Congressional shift in 2010, a White House loss in 2012.

    I’m a conservative independent, I was active at a state level in both parties at different times in my life, and I eventually rejected both of them as well as the dingbat fringe independent parties, including the Libertarians, who come close to reflecting my views in principle but not reality. As far as I’m concerned, the founders were dead on regarding the dangers of national, organized political parties and rabid partisanship. The best concept I’ve seen come out of this so-called election is one expressed by one of No Quarter’s sister organizations, “Democrats for Principle Over Party.” McCain/Palin said it even more succinctly: “Country First.”

    That’s why I’m an independent, and will remain such until and if—and that’s a really big “if”—a political party that adheres to those principles comes along—and even then, I’d maintain my skepticism about political parties.

    • Pennsylvania Red

      Romney’s NOT the choice of the Republican religious conservatives, they view his religion as an abomination.

      That’s why they wanted Huckabee in the primary.

      McCain was the sane choice, I don’t think Romney would have even pulled the numbers that McCain did in the GE. In this climate Romney would have been portrayed as the quintessential Corporate Bad Guy, and he would have kept the religious conservatives away in greater numbers than they stayed away from McCain.

      • http://deleted Buzz Latte

        Romney’s religion is always going to be a huge albatross to a majority of voters.

        It’s a “bastard” religion, fraught with some fairly serious and silly theological flaws. People that need religion as a marker of the man, will never go for Romney. He never carried the numbers in the primaries to be a serious contender.

        Plus, he’s a jerk. Just ask those who were around him during the 2002 SLC Olympics. He didn’t win any fans there.

        • Not convinced

          I gotta say, his smile kinda scared me. No joke.

      • torland077

        There was NO republican candidate in the primary that republicans truly liked. Huckabee was the religious right’s choice, to a degree, Romney was the republican elites choice to a degree, and McCain was the choice of everyone else. The republican coalition consists of simple principles lower taxes, lower spending, strong defense, social conservatism. None of these guys embodied all of these. Bush doesnt embody these and that is why many are disappointed in him. Reagan is that candidate and he rocked. Compare his victories to Obama, average of 500 electoral votes, 44 and 49 states won and almost 55% of the vote. And this followed the election and presidency of a guy who instituted the policies that Obama is promoting (Carter). Higher taxes, Higher spending, punitive taxation on profits and “soft” diplomacy overseas.

        These radicals (obama, reid, pelosi, et al), if they do what they are saying, will IMPLODE our economy,,, quickly. And the repubs will be back in 2010 and 2012 led by common sense conservatives like Palin, Jindahl, Pawlenty and Ryan. Study political history it just keeps repeating.

  • Zeke

    As a person who has held dear in his heart the deep belief of America First, it has been a very hard time for me the past couple of days. I’m still coming to grips with this but cannot help but feel that the nation I have loved and defended for all these years has been given a death sentence. It is so much like a visit to the doctor and finding out there is only so much time left.
    Being a pragmatic person, I’m able to view this in such fashion that I don’t walk around in a funk all day, but I have completely lost confidence in my country and more importantly, in its citizens.
    Playing music last night with boys was an eye opener. They’re all ‘Bots and one of ‘em couldn’t help himself and started talking about Obama. I told him one time, “no politics” and he just kept on.
    I do not usually use my size and violent tendencies to make a point because it simply is unfair and wrong to be a bully.
    I told my ‘friend’ that he was going to shut up. I told him in a manner that brooked no retort.

    America may have been dealt a death blow by this election but the part that was Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln and the rest of the greats, lives on inside my heart. That small, hot flame will never go out until I die. So, I’ll just sit, in my deck chair on the Titanic and I’ll watch the new crew run around screaming that they know what to do. The new captain will smile and read his teleprompter from the bridge. He’ll get on the P.A. and tell everyone that the new swimming pool in the hold is almost full and ready for the passengers to use, and that the band has decided to hold an impromptu concert on the fantail and that sorry, no drinks will be served.
    Now, and for the next four years, I can only sit by the side and hope that there is enough of my country left after Obama and his minions finish raping her.
    And that she is still strong enough afterward to still exist as a democracy.

    • Pennsylvania Red

      Zeke –
      I did catch your post yesterday about relationships and people who do not recognize evil. I appreciate your input.

      America will survive, remember 59 million or so voted for McCain and and they were actually living persons.

      There are enough of us still here to make our voices heard, maybe we (on both sides of the aisle) have been too complacent in general and willing to make each other the baddie over the past few election cycles.

  • ArmyMomForObama

    BREAKING NEWS

    Palin Hoping to be Named Ambassador to Africa

    ‘A Darned Important Country,’ Says Guv

    Sarah Palin of Alaska has reached out to President-elect Obama’s transition team to indicate her interest in being named “ambassador to the nation of Africa,” the governor confirmed today.

    Gov. Palin said that although she had planned to continue in her position in Anchorage, she was willing to leave the governorship “because Africa is just such a darned important country.” “I have always been very, very interested in the nation of Africa, partly because of it being located where it is,” she said. “If you are standing in Africa and you look real close, you can see South Africa.”

    She added that she had received phone calls encouraging her to vie for the post, including one from French president Nicholas Sarkozy.

    In other news from the Palin family, Bristol Palin’s fiance Levi Johnston said he was “totally stoked” about Tuesday night’s election returns, calling the results “definitely a game-changer for me.”

    “The election of Barack Obama means different things to different people,” he said. “To me, it means freedom, dude!”

    • Zeke

      you, madam, are a c**t.

      • ArmyMomForObama

        wow. snappy response. sticks and stones my friend. if i valued your opinion your name calling would bother me.

        how can anyone who thinks Africa is COUNTRY be considered for the second most important job in the nation.

        • Karma

          How exactly is someone who stole their policies from the candidate next to him so damn impressive for the TOP job?

          LOL

        • http://deleted Buzz Latte

          Do you think we need to value your lies and opinions? Is this where the Opod people go wrong in thinking that they are correct?

        • Zeke

          doesn’t change the fact that if you were any less useful, they’d render you down for the fucking lard. At least there would be enough of that to make french fries.
          Oh,yeah, did I mention that you area c**t?

        • torland077

          AMFO
          You are clearly the stupid one to believe that bullshit.

          Do me a favor and list your accomplishments I would like to compare them to that of Governor Palin’s.

          I am sure that nothing will follow this response because I am sure you have accomplished nothing of any note to provide you the platform to be critical of the most popular governor in America. When you dont list anything we all can take from that that you are useless, unaccomplished and dumber than the great public servant you attempt to mock.

          I cant bring myself to say it but I would concur with Zeke on his astute assessment of your value.

    • Not convinced

      Haha, that was great. Humor is always good.

    • Karma

      And Obama is happy to be President-elect of the 57 states. Thank God that Charlie Gibson informed him about capital gains tax or Obama would have tanked the economy for sure. Whew…if he didn’t have all those excellent candidates running against him, Obama wouldn’t have any decent policies. “Change you can xerox.”

      Good to know that you don’t consider politician’s children to be off limits though.

      I guess honor skips a generation in your family. ;)

      • ArmyMomForObama

        well when a big focus of your campain is “family values” and you stand there with your pregnant knocked up teenage daughter preaching it, you kinda open yourself up for comments.

        • Not convinced

          Not to mention, Palin supports abstinence only sex education (aose), and Bristol went to a school that had aose.

          Needless to say, IT DOESNT WORK.

          • Pennsylvania Red

            Is Palin running for any office at the moment?
            AFAIK she’s still the Governor of Alaska.

            Why are the n0b0ts still fixated on Palin?

            You people are UFB. I thought you were all comatose zombies like that clip on The Onion.

            Maybe some of your chips were not de-activated.

            OK, I get it. Carry on.

          • torland077

            God you both are stupid beyond comprehension.

            First of all a big focus of their campaign was not “family values” actually can’t remember hearing that phrase once from them, second because your teenage daughter gets pregnant doesnt mean you dont have family values, people make mistakes, and family values means you rally around them and help, third your saying abstinence doesnt work? Really? have your parents had “the talk” with you because if they had you would know every time abstinence is practiced it “works”.

        • http://deleted Buzz Latte

          When you continually choose to be stupid, well, a conclusion might be that you really are stupid.

          Stay out of other peoples’ lives.

        • Karma

          Oh…the kids deserved your low level attacks because mom is a politician.

          That is the excuse.

          Ok…like I said….honor skipped a generation in your family.

          There is no excuse to attack children because you don’t agree with their parents. Most people understand that children are off limits no matter what their profession is.

          Since politicians come with cameras and newspapers that rule should go double.

          It is a shame you don’t understand the kids have nothing to do with it.

          • Karma

            no matter what their ‘parent’s profession’ is.

        • Tversky

          You’re a self-righteous, hypocritical ass and reflect very poorly on your President. It’s classless to attack a politician for their family life. Try and rationalize it all you want but the truth is you’re no better than the rightwing zealots that you Obamabots constantly whine and wimper about. Smug, self-righteous, hypocrite.

        • dee4hill

          ArmyMomForObama… Hey, I’m open for comments.

          So, while we’re at it, let’s not forget Obama’s atheist, knocked up, narcissistic, globe-trotting, dead-beat mama – knocked up by a Muslim radical. That’s what I call “real American” family values.

          At least Palin’s daughter will be a REAL mother and raise her child instead of pushing him off on anyone that’ll take him.

    • Phillymiss

      And your point is?

      Sarah Palin was defeated, and is not in the picture any more. She’s back in Alaska. Why does she bother you so much?

      I also think candidates’ children should be off-limits. I read on one website that Obama’s kids are spoiled brats. I don’t know if this is true or not, but it was their father that was running not them. Personally, I think the girls are adorable.

      As for Bristol Palin — let me tell you a story, a tale of two children. I have two children, a son and a daughter. My daughter always did very well in school and is now in college. She was always a good kid. My son, on the other hand, has always been in some kind of trouble — smoking weed, getting expelled from high school, totalling my car, etc. He spent two years in juvenile detention (thank God, though, he was never a violent person). My husband and I raised them both the same way and love them both dearly. One chose the right path, the other the wrong one. Tell me, does that make me a bad parent?

      My point is — whether we are Dems or Republicans, conservatives or liberals, we try as parents to do the best we can with our children, but when they become young adults, they choose their own path. All we can do is love them and try to guide them down the right one.

    • bornagaindem

      and obama said he visited 57 states. Yup it is people like you that bought the media’s choice for america . In 2004 the media gave us George Bush. In 2002 the media gave us a war in Iraq. But you are willing once again to jump on their lying band wagon without thought, without analysis.

    • torland077

      AMFO
      You are clearly the stupid one to believe that bullshit.

      Do me a favor and list your accomplishments I would like to compare them to that of Governor Palin’s.

      I am sure that nothing will follow this response because I am sure you have accomplished nothing of any note to provide you the platform to be critical of the most popular governor in America. When you dont list anything we all can take from that that you are useless, unaccomplished and dumber than the great public servant you attempt to mock.

      I cant bring myself to say it but I would concur with Zeke on his astute assessment of your value.

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte

    To me it means the end of democracy and the tyranny of terrorists. Obama’s gonna have to use something other that hustle and jive to get us out of this.

    If he couldn’t gain 59 million americans’ trust in nearly two years of compaigning, just think how it’s gonna look in six months.

    Bets on it going way over 65% of Americans being real unhappy with Opampers?

    • Pennsylvania Red

      I don’t even want to prognosticate. I am hoping against hope that he will not be the disaster we all expect.

      If the worst (or best) that we can expect is Jimmah Cahtah redux, well then we will have dodged a MAJOR bullet.

  • POdVet

    Funny how within the first minute of Obama opening his mouth the DOW dropped 50 pts!

  • IndieDogg

    I appropriated the following, ref: Rasmussen poll on attitudes toward Governor Palin among Republicans.

    Pretty much puts the “Anonymous McCain Crybaby” comments in the garbage, where they belong.

    69% of GOP Voters Say Palin Helped McCain
    Friday, November 07, 2008

    Sixty-nine percent (69%) of Republican voters say Alaska Governor Sarah Palin helped John McCain’s bid for the presidency, even as news reports surface that some McCain staffers think she was a liability.

    Only 20% of GOP voters say Palin hurt the party’s ticket, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey. Six percent (6%) say she had no impact, and five percent (5%) are undecided.

    Ninety-one percent (91%) of Republicans have a favorable view of Palin, including 65% who say their view is Very Favorable. Only eight percent (8%) have an unfavorable view of her, including three percent (3%) Very Unfavorable.

    When asked to choose among some of the GOP’s top names for their choice for the party’s 2012 presidential nominee, 64% say Palin. The next closest contenders are two former governors and unsuccessful challengers for the presidential nomination this year — Mike Huckabee of Arkansas with 12% support and Mitt Romney of Massachusetts with 11%.

    Three other sitting governors – Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, Charlie Crist of Florida and Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota – all pull low single-digit support.

    These findings echo a survey earlier this week which found that Republicans were happier with their vice presidential candidate than with their presidential nominee. Seventy-one percent (71%) said McCain made the right choice by picking Palin as his running mate, while only 65% said the party picked the right nominee for president.

    Bottom line: If the R’s have a problem, it’s not with Sarah Palin. Try the mirror.

  • ArmyMomForObama

    yeah i’ve seen plenty of jokes at obama’s expense based on bigotry and I bet you chuckle at those.

    the sad part of this joke is that even though it’s hilarious, it’s based on a TRUE statement from Pailin

    • Karma

      That is called hearsay.

      http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hearsay

      That isn’t a TRUE statement, since you can’t prove it.

      Except second and third hand reports.

      Learn the difference.

    • Zeke

      Lets see about fitting shoes here, bitch.
      Your offspring, or foal or whatever useless species it dropped out of is a worthless, potato peeling, half ass military pussy who nobody would ever want to share a foxhole with.
      He’s a coward who’d run away screaming from the slightest danger. Raised by a useless fucking bitch like you, there can be no other conclusion to draw.
      Everyone in his unit thinks he’s just a target on two feet and they stay away from him.

      Now, you insensitive c**t, how do you feel? Your child is worthless. No one cares for him. It would be better for him to walk out in front of a tank than have to claim you as his mother.
      Want to keep railing about a woman who has achieved more in her short time on earth than you will ever do, AND KEEP BEING INSULTED UNFAIRLY or do you want to try to be a decent human being and not pick on other people’s kids.
      What a fucking joke you are. Your son should be ashamed of you.

      • torland077

        Zeke,
        Sometimes you make me proud.

        • Zeke

          Tor,
          My deepest thanks…

    • stodghie

      armymom, please go do your homework and lay off the koolaid before you post here. we know you are trying real hard in your new part time job for obot but we don’t want any more ignorance here.

    • torland077

      Gosh, you really are stupid.
      What is the TRUE statement? Did you believe all the rumors that were floating around about Obie? And if so, did you still vote for him? If so you are a disgusting human being. Oh and stupid.

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte

    Do you think there is a direct correlation? LOL!

  • POdVet

    Seems I called it dead on. He deffinately waffled and took the “present” route. The DOW dropped 100 pts while he was doing his uhm’s and uhhh’s. So how about it Obamatons…still think he’s going to fix the economy?

    • Zeke

      Vet,
      I’m with you on that but I think it could more sinister. I really think that sonofabitch wants to make America a second rate entity while completing the financial rape of the country.
      It has already been proven that he couldn’t care less about Black people. just look at his and Rezko’s district.
      This is quite plainly, National Suicide. I don’t see that there will be enough time after Obama has left the dying carcass of a country that he will create, before the Russians and Chinese along with a newly resurgent Militant Muslim effort will complete the evisceration.
      To think that we, as a nation, will survive this presidency is unwarranted optimism. Watch the stock market. The ants are picking up their toys and leaving.
      Nobody wants to feed the Grasshoppers.

      • POdVet

        I don’t disagree with you. Look at whats happened to the price of gas at the pump in the last month. It has been cut in HALF! And while this is a GOOD thing for America in the short run. I can’t help but wonder WHY? Why did gas prices drop so far so fast? I have never seen such a rapid fluctuation in the price of anything. I can only think of 1 plausible reason. The powers that be in the Middle East, the same ones who want to kill us and destroy Israel, wanted to take away what was McCain’s most successful issue. McCain/Palin’s “drill baby drill” campaign was picking up real momentum. It was garnering enough support that even Obama was forced to backtrack on his anti-drilling stance and say they’d look into it. Next thing you know…there goes the price of gas dropping like a stone. I would not be surprised, and will even predict here and now, that the price of gas will be back up to $4+ a gallon before Christmas!

        • Zeke

          Vet, we are in the eye of the storm. I couldn’t agree with you more. There seems to be much, much more to this when you take all the disparate forces involved into consideration.
          I have a friend who posed this little question.
          Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia’s economy has recovered to all time highs. China is rapidly becoming the manufacturing giant of the world.
          Now for my buddy’s question.
          Do you think that the Soviet Union, knowing after Desert Storm that their ground force military was so hopelessly overmatched by the U.S. that they decided to take the long view, and plan a “collapse,” thus bringing in the things they so desperately needed, money and new technology, and, by appearing to become a democracy, lull America into this position we’re in now.
          My pal also added in that if somehow, a “long view” sleeper politician were to come in at the same time with Hope and Change, that the overthrow of America would be a passive one with the Soviet Union “re-birthing” itself and reclaiming its old vassal states knowing that Obama has no testicles. With America destroyed from within by Obama and Obama handing over control of America’s military to the UN, its a done deal.
          This is what is in store for America. I do not believe that Obama ever intends to relinquish control. He will only expand it. With an overwhelming control of congress, the press and the Grasshoppers, all he has to do is invoke the Emergency Powers Act any time he is threatened.
          It is not out of reach to also assume that Obama, with the fraudulent assistance of ACORN, could get the term limits law revoked also.
          At that point, we will not have a President any longer. He will become the Chief Administrator, allying himself with Western Europe and probably trying the same play with the EU.
          All he would have to do to take control there is to get the US included in the EU, then call for an overall leader for the EU, and who fucking better for the job than there genius who thought it up?
          That was my friend’s hypothesis. I have had trouble punching holes in the theory.
          I am beginning to think that Obama wants to be King of the World.

          • POdVet

            I have to disagree there. Obama does NOT what to be President forever. If you have followed Obama’s career, it has always been about 1 thing. Himself, how much money can he get for himself…The Presidency is not his goal, it is the road to it. Face it, being President especially in a time with a challenging economy and foreign relations is a stressful job. Has Obama ever done anything to make you think he’s willing to do hard/stressful work? I think his goal is the after office role of a President. Making millions traveling around and spouting off at the mouth. Using his connections from his time in office to fill his pockets from inside deals with arms contractors etc. He will end up getting paid richly for doing what he does naturally. Spout off about things he knows nothing about, and blaming all of societies ill’s on everyone else.

            • TeakWoodKite

              Interesting Colliloquy, Thanks.

              On the Arms dealin….

              Obama’s connection to Auchi worries me.

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte

    Bueller? Bueller??

  • Tversky

    “For the GOP, it’s back to drawing board and if I have any advice to offer the GOP it’s don’t take any advice from the American Enterprise Institute, the Heritage Foundation, the CATO Institute or the Hudson Institute. They are the ones that got you in this mess.”

    I totally disagree. One problem for the GOP is that it no longer takes advice from think tanks. That is, they stopped being a party of ideas (based on conservative principles of limited government, private property rights, market based solutions, etc.) and turned a the party of socially conservative values. I’m not saying they should abandon their social conservatives. That would be suicide. But they need to start coming up with ideas that are relevant to today – not Reagan’s 1980. The world is very different now. The marginal tax rates are lower, the economy is global, our population is older and more ethnically heterogeneous, etc. The GOP is offering old solutions to new problems. The truth is, the Dems are doing the same thing with their warmed over LBJ style liberal big government utopianism. But somehow Barry the King of the Unicorns has suckered millions of people into believing he’s offering something new instead of very old and deeply flawed. *snerk*

    RE: McCain’s loss

    McCain lost because the Republican base hates him more than they love Palin and more than they fear Obama. That’s it in a nutshell. Not only did many of them stay home, they also screwed up the immigration reform debate so badly they drove away Bush’s Hispanic voters. Those two factors: The Republican base staying home and Hispanic voters abandoning the GOP spelled defeat for McCain. I’ve got to say, I’m disgusted by the potshots a lot of Repubs are throwing at McCain and Palin. The hardcore GOP base is eviscerating McCain and engaging in Stalinist purges of RINOs while the ex-Bushies from the McCain campaign are trying to cover their asses by trashing Palin in the media. Alot of members of the GOP are behaving in a disgusting, classless manner today. They should be banding together to mitigate the damage Obama and his Chicago pol and liberal partisan hack friends will do. Instead, they’re engaging in inter-party fatricide. If the base keeps this RINO hunting crap up and the elites keep trashing the base they’ll completely marginalize the GOP. (For one thing no one can agree what a RINO is. In fact, Reagan would be RINO given most of the standards I’ve read.) I swear, they’re almost as bad as George Soros’s UnDemocratic Party.

    • Zeke

      Thanks… very cogent observations. I learned something.
      :)

  • stefystef

    Why are they still not calling Missouri for McCain?
    Obama barely won North Carolina and McCain is slightly ahead of Obama in Missouri.

    They called North Carolina for Obama.
    I suspect they are trying to figure out a way to call Missour for “The One”.

    Does anyone out there from Missouri have some information they can share???

  • TeakWoodKite

    Charles Lemos, intersting read. Thanks.