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Bill Ayers Redux

Now from the New Yorker comes the following little interview with William Ayers:

One night, Ayers recalled, he and Dohrn were watching Bill O’Reilly, who was going on about “discovering” Ayers’s 1974 manifesto, “Prairie Fire.” “I had to laugh,” Ayers said. “No one read it when it was first issued!” He said that he laughed, too, when he listened to Sarah Palin’s descriptions of Obama “palling around with terrorists.” In fact, Ayers said that he knew Obama only slightly: “I think my relationship with Obama was probably like that of thousands of others in Chicago and, like millions and millions of others, I wished I knew him better.”

Ook.

Ayers seemed curiously calm and cheerful about the way he had been made an issue in the campaign. He seemed unbothered to have been part of what he called “the Swiftboating” process of the 2008 campaign.

It’s all guilt by association,” Ayers said. “They made me into a cartoon character—they threw me up onstage just to pummel me. I felt from the beginning that the Obama campaign had to run the Obama campaign and I have to run my life.” Ayers said that once his name became part of the campaign maelstrom he never had any contact with the Obama circle. “That’s not my world,” he said.

Uh, “swiftboating” refers to false attacks directed at a candidate. The last time I looked, Ayers and his wife WERE members of the Weather Underground. Ayers and Obama DID have a relationship that extended beyond running into each other in the neighborhood. The shamelessness of the lies is simply mindboggling.

The kicker:

Ayers said he felt “a lot of sympathy” for the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, “who was treated grotesquely and unfairly” by the media. He said that Martin Luther King Jr. was, in his time, far more radical than Wright: “Wright’s a wimp compared to Martin Luther King—he had a fiercer tone.” Ayers was referring to the speeches King gave late in his life in opposition to the Vietnam War and on the subject of economic equality. “Martin Luther King was not a saint,” Ayers said. “He was an angry pilgrim.” Ayers said that he had commiserated recently with yet another former Hyde Park neighbor (and fellow Little League coach), the Palestinian-American scholar Rashid Khalidi, now at Columbia University, who has also been a punching bag of the right wing in recent weeks.

Call me crazy, but somehow I doubt that if Martin Luther King had been able to react to 9/11 he would have used the terminology Jeremiah Wright used. But that’s just me.

Poor Bill Ayers. Poor Rashid Khalidi. It’s always such a bummer when meanies throw your words (and deeds) back in your face and start asking all those rude questions and making you all upset.

I’ve thought long and hard about why the Ayers story got no traction in the press. The only conclusion I can come to is that baby boomer-age managers, who hold the lion’s share of decision-making posts at the most influential media outlets, are still romanticizing the ’60s — and to a lesser extent, the early ’70s — adhering to the “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” mentality. Sure the Weather Underground kicked up a fuss, but we didn’t want to go to Vietnam, man! Besides, all those hippie chicks raising their fists in defiance of the Man were hotttt.

The younger people in newsrooms go along with their superiors’ narratives because, not to put too fine a point on it, they’re completely and wholly ignorant about American history. They wouldn’t know the SDS or the Symbionese Liberation Army from a hole in the wall.

  • Chicago

    I’ve thought long and hard about why the Ayers story got no traction in the press. The only conclusion I can come to is that the baby boomers, who hold the lion’s share of decision-making posts at the most influential media outlets, are still romanticizing the ’60s — and to a lesser extent, the early ’70s — adering to the “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” mentality. Sure the Weather Underground kicked up a fuss, but we didn’t want to go to Vietnam, man! Besides, all those hippie chicks raising their fists in defiance of the Man were hotttt.


    The press should be not only a collective propagandist and a collective agitator, but also a collective organizer of the masses.
    Vladimir Lenin

    that’s what happened to our so called “free press.” they have become the O’s collective organizer.

  • Chicago

    In fact, Ayers said that he knew Obama only slightly: “I think my relationship with Obama was probably like that of thousands of others in Chicago and, like millions and millions of others, I wished I knew him better.”

    straight from Comrade lenin!

    A lie told often enough becomes the truth.
    Vladimir Lenin

  • http://AmericasFavoriteTerrorist.com Bill Ayers

    well they say there is no such thing as bad press…

    so thanks guys!

    hopefully now I will be able to shift some t-shirts
    http://AmericasFavoriteTerrorist.com

    As you all know, Chicago’s Favorite Real Estate Fairy™ is now in prison so I will need to purchase my new mansion using cash money from my anti-american books and destroying of america via its educational institutions…

    and these fine high quality t-shirts…

    free shipping during Obama’s transition period…

    Love,
    Bill

  • cc

    wow…thank you for that quote. I wonder if the press realizes what pawns they have been.

  • hadenough

    The “liberal media” isn’t done yet. From the front page of cnn:
    Youthful Obamas inspire Camelot talk

    I dare you to click this link and not puke:
    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/showbiz/2008/11/07/sbt.obama.camelot.cnn

  • John Smith

    I guess when reality kicks in they will start looking into why they did not investigate this guy further.

  • http://milkchaser.blogspot.com Bob White

    The attacks leveled at Kerry by the Swift boat veterans were true — every one of them. Some of what they said, after having served with him or watched how he denigrated the troops after he returned from the war, was merely their opinion that he would not make a good Commander in Chief. Opinions are neither true nor false.

  • Judy

    I just heard on local news last night that Bill Ayers is coming to the University of Illinois, Champaign, Illinois to do a paid project. He will live with students in their dorms for 2 months and also lecture. I am calling the UofI today to complain.

    Come to find out Eikenberry (not sure of spelling)- UofI President served on the same Annenberg board with Obama and Ayers. This may get interesting in Champaign, Illinois.

  • C.S.

    I don’t know about your state but the politians following in Soertoro/Obama’s footsteps weren’t those of Bill Ayers’ generation; they were the “youthful” Barry/Barack, or younger, contemporaries because Mr. Soertoro/Obama is a member of the baby boom generation also!

    So, why do these “kids” young enough to be Ayer’s grandchildren not take the terrorist connection seriously? Do they yearn for the “good old days” when you could bomb the Pentagon and not get punished for it? Or is it irrelevant because it is too far in the past because there’s a new group of terrorists in town who make Ayer’s exploits and his FBI terrorist classification look mild by comparison to the new ones…like al Qaida… like Cousin Odinga.

  • kgirl1028

    Personally I think Bill Ayers needs to keep MLK’s name out his mouth. Period. Someone who employs those type of tatics to prove point can not and should not comment and judge on such a person. The fact MLK is six feet under and that man still draws breath are just one of the things that make me question the existance of God but assures that of the devil.

  • http://AmericasFavoriteTerrorist.com Bill Ayers

    yep!

    it is going to be a blast!

    please send any fan mail to me here:
    http://education.uic.edu/directory/faculty_info.cfm?netid=bayers

    and to my boss…

    let them know what a great asset I am to america’s youth!

    Love,
    Bill

  • lark

    I see the ‘Bill Ayers redux’ issue as something that will impact us in our country for the duration of Obama’s incumbency, at least 4 years. It will have a daily impact and it will have a steep cost.

    Obama was and is the most irresponsible person this country has ever listened too. And now his irresponsibility will come to the front every single time he speaks on any issue. Irresponsibility here means not giving a full account of matters under consideration. That made him untrustworthy. Now he won the presidency and we have an untrustworthy president.

    So we know that Bill Ayers is an anarchist and we can see that the root of Obama’s irresponsibility lies in his adherence to that type of anarchism.

    Today, Obama will be addressing many organization’s principals and stakeholders in Chicago and later having his first press conference. Not a word he said to those people will be believable – not one. Some of them will chose to believe him but only those that don’t have any personal something to loose from believing him. Any one that needs to protect the slightest personal interest will not be believing him. And the press conference will be a fiasco. No one will believe one word coming out of his mouth. Not if one has anything valuable to safeguard. So Oblahblah will blabber his points yada yada but those points will be important only to those that don’t have an interest in the success of the issue, to those who can care less one way or the other. There will be always lots of people who will vocalize support for something he says, but always tided to personal interests or lack thereof.

    And so Bill Ayers redux will affect our economy and the credibility of this individual, our President for the next 4 years. It will always reveal that Obama’s pathology lies in Bill Ayers’ anarchism.

  • bemused

    I think it’s the generation gap and lack of personal relevance. My almost-40 son is just as worried about communists as he is about dinosaur attacks. Those people are old and irrelevant to him. Though intelligent and cynical, he got totally mesmerized by the memes — Hillary is polarizing — McCain flip-flopped more than O –etc. John Edwards was his hero and he was crushed to find he was a POS, but he’s still hoping there’s really something good about O.

  • hootnannie

    The pro-Bobo media didn’t investigate Ayers because they’re so determined to put a black man in the WH. And of course most of them love his purported radical agenda (though heaven knows what he really plans!) Now they’re trying to shut down any criticism by gushing about how historic it all is. Twerp Shep Smith had the temerity to jump on Ralph Nader who opined that he hoped Bobo would be an Uncle Sam and not an Uncle Tom. Shep wanted to give him the opportunity to take it all back, given that the first black man has been elected Prez and all. Ralph calmly called him a bully. I would’ve called Sheppy something along the opposite vein of the gender spectrum–but that’s just me. Nader has certainly earned the right to give his opinion and have people politely listen. And then Hannity and Colmes had Jerry Springer on. Now who in hell cares what HE says? But, anyway, the talk turned to how parents can now tell their kids that ANYONE can be elected Prez. Yeah, I said, unless they happen to have DAUGHTERS!!

  • lark

    Bill Ayers Redux = Bill Ayers anarchism = Obama’s ambiguities and obfuscations.

    Bill Ayers Redux = Bill Ayers anarchism = Obama’s tendencies to promote chaos.

    Bill Ayers Redux = Bill Ayers anarchism = Obama’s project to redefine and redirect America and to make himself its exclusive leader.

  • hadenough

    Ayers said that once his name became part of the campaign maelstrom he never had any contact with the Obama circle.

    That would imply that ayers HAD contact before his name became part of the campaign maelstrom. Correct?

  • goldengrahme

    Chicago, sad to say, the Fourth Estate went the
    way of the unimpeachable U.S.Constitution–down
    the tubes. Those who forget history are doomed
    to repeat it, once said a wise sage.

    Those who know nothing of history and could care less are doomed to pull us over the cliff. The
    question for sane adults is will we let children
    rule?

    Some wag once pointed out that America is the
    only advanced country that sends its seniors out
    to play and gets advice from its youngsters.

  • Tuppence411

    The Ayer’s ideology will infiltrate the Department of Education. And his wife’s into the Department of Justice. Mark my words, (And grid your loins). And it won’t be in high profile public cabinet positions. That will be too obvious. It will be under the radar appointments as Assistants and Deputies. You know the positions that aren’t figure heads, but actually do the work, shape the policy, set budget priorities.

    PS and OT- Larry Summers as Treasury Secretary. The MSM is already trying to shove this appointment down women’s throats as acceptable. The same Larry Sanders, as president of Harvard who said women are not sucessful in math and science because 1.) We don’t want to work long hours, would prefer to have babies 2.) High school boys score higher on tests than girls 3.) Men are born with a natural ability that women lack. http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/01/17/summers_remarks_on_women_draw_fire/

  • Diana L. C.

    Again, I will say that the Ayers, Rezko, Khalidi stuff just added to my deistate for Obama. His actions getting to the White House, the primary and election fraud, the acceptance of illegal campaign funds after breaking his promise to use government matching funds, the refusal to debate or hold the town hall meetings, and OF COURSE the sexist, vindictive behavior toward Hillary and McCain.

    His actions show who he is as well as his past (and probably current) associations.

    The media also refused to discuss those issues.

    I am a baby boomer. Do not paint all of us the way you did. In fact, more of us were not that way. I had a full-tuition academic scholarship during the Vietnam war. I worked 25 to 30 hours a week to earn room and board. I slept an average of 3 to 4 hours a night only because I had to maintain a B+ average back when grades weren’t inflated in order to keep my scholarship.

    I spent my time in classes with young women who were trying to break some of the barriers and to go after dreams they hadn’t had a chance of fulfilling until then. I spent my time in class with young men, some of whom wanted the education but many of whom were there because Daddy could afford to put them there so they could have the college draft deferrment.

    My brother and four of my cousins joined the military to avoid the draft into the cannon fodder ranks. My brother earned an equivalent of an MS by being able to get through the very difficult nuclear power school. My cousins mostly just wanted to come back, start a family, and continue our family’s tradition of farming.

    I visited my poor grandmother in the hospital often as she suffered from crippling, severe migraines worrying about her grandsons.

    The people you talk about are the more well-to-do kids whose parents often paid their way so they could go to the demonstrations and drug-induced love-ins.

    I didn’t like Viet nam, didn’t like what we were doing there any more than I like Iraq. I would love to find ways to stop this stupid fighting for power and control while using the term “civilian casualties” to mention the deaths of innocents.

    One of my high school classmates died from the effects of Agent Orange years ago, leaving a wife and two young daughters. Several other of my high school classmates were changed emotionally from their experiences in that war.

    Please don’t paint all of us boomers as the same as the stereotype that has been drawn.

    I get it at work, the nastiness against us by the Gen X and Gen Y people who like to make work “fun” while we do most of it. Since I work for an organization that does management training, they give classes on how the different generations want their work environment to be and how to help them get along and how to manage the different types. Then they also give seminars on “What the HELL are we going to do when the boomers all retire and we no longer have people with a real work ethic.”

    Many, many, many, many of us boomers supported Hillary and McCain and are disgusted by today’s “standards” of journalism.

  • dcmediagirl

    Your comment makes no sense whatsoever.

  • Liz B

    I, for one, doubt that the Investigations of William Ayers and Barack Obama will go any further than it did during the campaign.
    The Press have their new “Kennedy’s”, and they will knock themselves out for the next four years to sell them to us as such. Does Barack Obama share the same fate as the Kennedy’s? I certainly hope not. We need to remember there are two young daughters who don’t call him Mr. President, they only call him Daddy.
    That being said, I believe everything we know about Obama may someday become known to the world, but since I did not hang on to hope for a Hillary miracle after April, I know that I am not one of those who sits around holding their breath.
    I am already tired of the McCain/Palin bashing. In fact, I am sickened by the McCain camp bashing Palin now that the Campaign is over. I don’t believe, or at least I hope I wouldn’t have to believe that McCain felt this way about Sarah, but I am sure that tempers can run high when numbers are dropping like a stone, and there seems to be no one to blame.
    I don’t like Barack Obama; I doubt that I ever will. I never liked George Bush. Despite my distaste for all things W, I did realize he was my President, like it or not, and that as an American, I would rather try to support America and it’s place in the world, than to be one of the people who takes their bitterness, and unwillingness to accept defeat as a reason to pray for a failed Presidency.
    I pray for wisdom, self control, love of America, love of family and God to be not only the attributes that most define me, but especially the traits that if Pres. Obama is lacking, he will be blessed to receive.
    I am an American. I pray for the protection of our people, and so I feel I need to Hope for Obama to be a success.
    Life has dealt me a lemon tree this Election when I thought I planted a Pomegranite, so for this disgruntled woman there are two choices, one of them is not an option, that being just to pout and cry, what will I do? I plan to open up a Lemonade stand.
    I hope I see many of them cropping up around me.

  • candymarl

    I wish I was like Bill Ayers and had a rich daddy to help me escape overseas and not pay for my crimes. But not being rich and connected and all I would have to pay for my mistakes. Funny how Ayers barely knew a man he raised money for and sponsored to a prominent board. Yet he does not claim minimal knowledge of the Weather Underground.

    Obama and Ayers children went to school together according to Axelrod. Does Obama have adult children we don’t know about?

    You know, if the Weather Underground was staffed and supported by non-whites they’d still be in prison. But Ayers and wife got a free pass. That must be nice.

    That doesn’t bother Black Americans either.

  • http://AmericasFavoriteTerrorist.com Bill Ayers

    yeah, i was hoping nobody would catch that…

    er, i guess that is my “spread the wealth around” moment?

    maybe nobody will notice?

    Love,
    Bill

  • FreedomFries

    None of the swiftboat accusations were true and undermining a real purple heart hero wasa disgusting thing to do. It did not work this time because America was ashamed it fell for bigotry and hate in 2004.

    President Elect Barck Hussein Obama – sounds good eh?

  • dcmediagirl

    You may be a boomer but you don’t work in a newsroom. I’m basing my theory on what I’ve personally observed for 16+ years of working for editors and managers of a certain age.

  • Mercedes

    I think that most people, even younger people believe that all politicians are sleazes. So the young people are going to whip out their middle finger and vote for the younger, cooler, darker toned sleaze. Just look at JFK and “The Dark Side of Camelot”. Really, is Obama any worse than JFK in character? You can definitely label Obama and his cohorts misogynists, but whatever you call the lifestyle of JFK, I don’t believe he or his administration did much to elevate womanhood either.

    As for Bill Ayers, I think what Jack Cashill has done examining Ayers as the probable ghost writer/editor for “Dreams From My Father” says as much about the Ayers/Obama relationship as anything that has come out so far.

    The one aspect of this whole picture that bothers me more than anything is that it seems really unlikely that the FBI would abruptly lose interest in Ayers after his Weatherman-related charges were dismissed on a technicality. That would be stupid and very poor law enforcement in my opinion. I would think the FBI knows about Ayers associations. Strange that the Bush administration did not leak information to help fellow Republican, McCain. Maybe not so strange if they don’t want their fellow Republican to win the election.

    Ayers himself reminds me of some smart-mouthed spoiled brat who at the age of 60+ years is still handing out those juvenile Leave It to Beaver deceptions…

    “I think my relationship with Obama was probably like that of thousands of others in Chicago and, like millions and millions of others, I wished I knew him better.”

    I wish I knew Obama better too. I wish I knew where he was born. I wish he would fill in all the blackened out spaces on his paper thin resume.

    What a crock!

  • Geo

    Ayers said that once his name became part of the campaign maelstrom he never had any contact with the Obama circle.

    We never said he did. What did Ayers find in Obama that he would start his political career. Ayers is a freaknig anarchist, seditious, Left Wing Marxist.

    Unbelievable

    I can’t believe in reality anymore.

  • Diana L. C.

    O.K. I won’t come back. You did paint our generation one way in your article. So I do get to defend my generation.

    Your generation obviously has its President now.

    I’m out.

  • imustprotest

    “America was ashamed” haahaha, what a stupid comment from a typical Obamabot. Yeah, bot….Obama won because America was ashamed…haha, you koolaid heads should just listen to youselves once in a while!

  • lark

    Thanks.

  • Judy L. NC

    I’m of that “certain age” too, dcmediagirl, and I also disagree with your theory. We boomers LIVED the terror of the Weather Underground.

    None of my friends romanticize that era. Obama gets a pass simply by NOT being BUSH.

  • dcmediagirl

    Again, NONE OF YOU WORK IN NEWSROOMS. I did NOT write that all boomers feel this way. I wrote that BOOMER EDITORS AND MANAGERS hold this point of view.

  • Jules

    Oh goody…a bomb setter in a dorm with kids.

  • lark

    I need to Hope for Obama to be a success.

    Most people who voted for him voted based on that feeling. It is an honest and honorable feeling. But everything about life experiences shows that only on rare occasions that type of hope produces a successful outcome. The Bible and experiences of millions of women and many other types of experiences in life of men and businesses show that God provides ample warnings and pathways ahead of time for the right decisions to be made in order for that hope to be neutralized and dispense with. But I also know that almost in every instance people are unable or unwilling to use warnings and pathways correctly and fall for the lure of ‘hope.’

    So now I like you have to pray that the outcome of a pathological liar like Obama does not end in bankruptcy for the sake of the common good.

    Some of these people used to call Billy Graham to their side and seek counseling. He did counsel many presidents in their hour of desperation. But there is no Billy Graham anymore, only Jake or what’s his name.

    No, there is a price to pay for every lie. It gets worse if you appoint a liar to lead you.

  • C.S.

    My son, of an age to be an Obama supporter, did his homework after hearing all the glowing reports about Soertoro/Obama and decided on his own that it was all just talk. He walked away from “Obama” but didn’t walk to McCain.

    He liked Senator Clinton’s ideology and thought he could vote for her even though he did want a new kind of candidate; the kind that wasn’t running in this election. But he swiftly became disillusioned by the whole transparent steal for Soertoro/Obama by the Democratic party.

    And he believes that any U. S. candidate that would assist in overthrowing a government by condoning the burning of women and children hiding in a church has nothing good to bring to our democracy. His kindergarten teacher once told me that he was a leader, not a follower, and she was right. When the Obama campaign offered the kookaid he refused to drink and warned others not to. Kids like these are the hope of the future and I hope there are many more of them than the thugs that used HJ tactics to “win” caucuses for Soertoro/Obama.

  • Kal

    I really believe that this is just a taste of BO’s revenge on women who would not toe the line. Summers’ misogyny is the BEST known feature of that guy. Plus, I wonder what kind of cozy deal is being cut, and how it is going to impact on Harvard, with which I believe BO has a love-hate relationship. I think watch out Harvard.

  • mimi

    I don’t have dcmedia girl’s up-close observations in news rooms, but I agree with her. Boomers romanticize the 60s.

    About the Ayers connection: there were no photos of 0bama and Ayers. Everything today must be validated with visual proof. Same thing with Rev. Wright. 0bama would have been finished if a video had emerged where he was in church at the time of a rant.

    Sorry, but look around you, cell phones have cameras, everything nowadays happens through visual images.

    But I’m going to make a prediction: At some point, 0bama is going to have a very public reconcilliation/forgiveness with Rev. Wright. I won’t be so bold as to say he will give the Invocation at the Inauguration, but if that happened, I wouldn’t be shocked.

    I am on record here as stating back in March that what happened between them was a dog and pony show. I still believe that.

    Give it time.

  • lark

    Bill Ayers Redux is anti-feminist because it is contentious with others definitions. That’s the crux of that type of anarchism.

    That in my opinion is the fight we have to fight.

    This issue of contention to others definitions needs to be dealt with.

  • wry

    He is such an amoral lying piece of shit.

  • Chicago

    you got that right!

    and as some of them found out (those papers that endorsed McCain), freedom of the press only applies to those who worship at the altar of the O.

  • Chicago

    Chris Matthews and keith olberman probably does but just doesn’t care!

    they want some manly love from the O! LOL!

  • wry

    Oh no, I’m not looking. I had morning sickness once and the result was a beautiful child. No need now.

    Ask yourselves if Jackie Kennedy would ever where that red and back Fredericks of Hollywood number from the other night.

    All these people disgust me. I’m going to call the stable today and start riding again. Camelot? gross…Bill and Hillary were young and beautiful. These two? Not so much.

  • Tuppence411

    “I wish I knew him better”
    WTF! That is a non-statement. It is meaningless.

    I know my husband like the back of my hand, I can honestly say “I wish I knew him better”. I know my sister inside and out, who has been with me everyday of my life, and I can say truthfully “I wish I knew her better”.

    Wishing for a personal relationship to be even deeper is not a denial of a relationship. Word games.

  • wry

    What the hell are you talking about? In my opinion the Earth is flat.

  • wry

    I must protest? To whom are you refering? I don’t see an Obamabot here. Am I missing a thread. You know my name . We’re on the same team.

  • http://mybluecountry.googlepages.com/whattheobamademocratsaresayingposter Linda

    Oh, that was laughable. Kinda’ like Barry’s, “I’ve always said I would renogotiate NAFTA” roflmao.

  • oowawa

    I plan to open up a Lemonade stand.
    I hope I see many of them cropping up around me.

    If they replace the Kool-Aid stands all over the neighborhood, it will be a big improvement

  • ParkSlope Voter

    Wow!!!

    Great point! Nothing like logic to show up bullsh!t!!!

    -MS

  • wry

    Never mind. I see “Freedomn Fries” above. I thought he/she was just defending Kerry, whom I too will defend. I didn’t see the last line.

    Sorry, Imust :(

  • wry

    Wow Kgirl! Well said!

  • wry

    Gosh Guys, don’t get me started. I’m on my old crummy computer.

    I should’ve typed “ask yourselves if Jackie O would ever wear that red & black Frederick’s of Hollywood number.

    It was pure JLo for the middle aged woman.

  • pumaforever

    I took the dare and lost my breakfast. I don’t blame the Obama’s for basking in the glory, but, geeze, people, since when did we become a nation of simpletons? We totally got what we deserved. I hope we are able to earn back something better in ’12.

  • wry

    I missed you, Lark.

  • Ivory Bill Woodpecker

    DCMG–Bob is a Bushevik; it’s best to ignore him.

  • wry

    Diana, DC media girl is not talking about you or me. I know the people she is talking about as I lived 16 years in Manhattan and worked with the media.
    Reread the article.

  • oowawa

    Strange that the Bush administration did not leak information to help fellow Republican, McCain. Maybe not so strange if they don’t want their fellow Republican to win the election.

    Yes Mercedes, the same thoughts have been turning over in my mind. Did the Bush administration and the far right have a hidden agenda dedicated to keeping McCain-Palin out of the White House? I certainly don’t know, but my suspicious nature is very curious and my tin-foil hat is starting to pick up mysterious signals . . .

  • Ivory Bill Woodpecker

    FF is an Obamabot: it’s best to ignore him/her/it.

    The Bushbots and the Obamabots deserve each other; unfortunately, those of us who deserve better have to live with their wretched presences.

    The Obamabots will continue the destruction of the USA that the Bushbots started–if it didn’t start before them, with the Reaganbots.

    “Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.”

  • wry

    Im sorry but that kind of talk is not welcome here. What church teaches you to think that way?

  • snosandy

    My two college student son’s resisted the kool-aid, too. They are both responsible, independent young men who study hard and work long hours so they will be successful adults. They are both debt free (except for my older son’s mortgage for the home he bought without any help from us at 22) and are not too happy that they may have to spread their hard earned wealth.

  • http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com OBAMA IS A FRAUD

    This is another thing that has me soooo WTF about the morons who voted for Obama. I wouldn’t let Billy Ayers pet my dogs. Never. Much less go to his home, or allow him in mine. It isn’t up for discussion. Not even if he had been repentant about what he did. But anyone who defends the man who on the worst day of America’s history said “I wish I had bombed more” and “America makes me puke” needs mental health care and a one way ticket to CUBA. This guy ONLY has his own freedom from jail time because his rich daddy bought him out of it. His rich daddy from Exelon, who funded Obama. No tin foil hat needed here. All of this is so obvious to someone with a brain. Oh, yeah, the Obama voters left those outside their polling locations.

  • Ivory Bill Woodpecker

    Oh, that’s why Bill the Bomber is anti-feminist?

    And here I thought it was just because he’s an @$$hole… :mrgreen:

  • snosandy

    Just like when Obama said “he’s not someone I share ideas with on a regular basis.

    Nobody ever seemed to pick up on that either.

  • Judy L. NC

    We need to calm down. I don’t understand HOW you know I DON’T work in a newsroom and WHY their opinions are any different than anyone elses.

  • Judy L. NC

    Oh please.

  • ObamaNOT

    The Church of the Lord Jesus Christ teaches me that…

    If you do not like it, then attend the Church of SATAN….

    [Administrator: Uh, do God's REAL work, and find a spit- and urine-stained street corner in Times Square. Or go to the middle of a 5,000-acre corn field. The expanses of the Sahara desert, especially those furthest from water, are populated by people in special need of salvation (but probably water more -- you know all about the art of the skillful preacher, taking care of first things first, of course). Go wherever. Bye, bye.]

  • http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com OBAMA IS A FRAUD

    Yeah, right, Billy Ayers is “just a guy in the neighborhood.” Nice of the MSM to cover this stuff up. When do you think they will tell the truth about this stuff?

    Obama’s Exelon ties, Ayers connection

    August 30, 2008

    And then we have the Bill Ayers connection

    Thomas G. Ayers (1915-2007)(left) is the father of Weather Underground leader and domestic terrorist—and Barack Obama’s friend, “neighbor” and boss of more than a decade—Bill Ayers (right).

    Tom Ayers died in his Hyde Park home June 8, 2007. According to his obituary, Ayers was “president in 1964 and served as chairman and CEO from 1973 to 1980. He was the architect of ComEd’s nuclear power program in the 1960s and 1970s.” Following his tenure as CEO, Ayers continued as Chair of the Board of Trustees.

    Another Ayers connection is through the Chicago law firm Sidley Austin, where Obama interned during Summer 1989. Here he met his future wife, Michelle Robinson. It was also the same law firm where Bill Ayers’ wife, Bernadine Dohrn, worked. The firm obviously had close ties to the Ayers family, including Tom Ayers.

    Later, 1993 to 1996, Obama worked as an associate attorney at the Davis Miner and Barnhill law firm. Judson Miner was a friend of Tom Ayers.

    Law professor Stephen Diamond, who blogs at Global Labor and Politics, wrote June 10, 2008:

    As I have suggested in earlier posts here it is possible that Tom Ayers served as a mentor to the young Obama as far back as the time Obama spent as a community organizer on the south side of Chicago not far from Tom Ayers’ home in Hyde Park. Obama biographer David Mendell writes that Obama “had returned to Chicago from Harvard Law with an eye on the mayor’s office after witnessing Harold Washington’s historic tenure at city hall.” Tom Ayers’ founded Chicago United, Obama-led Developing Communities Project and Bill Ayers all worked on the same side in the Chicago school wars of the 1987-1988 time period.

    My speculation – and, of course, since the Obama campaign won’t discuss these issues in any depth it remains speculation – is that Obama was seriously considering picking up the reins of the late immensely popular first black mayor of Chicago, Harold Washington, whose second term was cut tragically short when Washington had a heart attack in his office.

    From his earliest days in Chicago, Barack Obama’s path has been intertwined with that of Bill Ayers, his father, Tom Ayers, and Exelon. There can be no doubt about this. None.

  • EJ

    Young folks today don’t even know what the USSR and the cold war were all about, and consequently they don’t have any understanding of socialism or communism, but they have racism drummed into their heads from day one.

    Didn’t we all read To Kill A Mockingbird in school? Why not Atlas Shrugged?

    I didn’t get “it” till I was 40 or so…had to learn it on my own…school didn’t do squat for me in understanding the ways of the world. Our parents and grandparents lived through it all…they got “it” from life.

    But I’ll tell you…MY children have learned a great deal from this election and the spirit of John Galt will live on!

  • Chicago

    Camelot no…Stalingrad/Leningrad maybe…even Beijing.

  • fluffy bunny

    I’m honestly not sure McCain and Palin had a chance this year against a candidate who is such a smooth, seamless liar; a national media that refused to challenge the lies or ever report on any hint of them; and, finally, a public that apparently no longer views patholigical lying as a character flaw.

    The lies about Ayers, Wright, Rezko, and Khalidi. The lies about Hillary and McCain. The refusal to release any of the background information that every single candidate I can remember had to release.

    How on earth could McCain and Palin conquer all that? God knows they tried…but how do you prove an opponent is lying almost every time he opens his mouth to people who refuse to listen?

    McCain said he didn’t care about some washed up old terrorist, but he did care about what the relationship revealed about Obama’s honesty and character. Sadly, the majority of American voters don’t give a damn.

  • Chicago

    it’s been that way for decades. the education system has been “socialized” since the flower power revolution.

  • fluffy bunny

    The ways Bush helped Obama:

    DOJ refused to investigate ACORN or Obama’s credit card fraud fundraising

    Bush appointed federal prosecutor delays Tony Rezko’s sentencing until after the election, supposedly because Rezko is talking. They announced this info 3 weeks before the original sentencing date, which was Oct 28. Rezko could have told prosecutors his entire life story 10 times in 3 weeks.

    Bush’s Sec Treas hits the airwaves panicking about the NEW GREAT DEPRESSION 6 weeks before the election. Bush and Paulson elevate the people who caused the problem to prominent positions and laud their “bipartisan” nature in supposedly “working for the American people to fix the problem.” The only way conservative GOP House members even get into the conference room to discuss the bailout is when MCCAIN flies back to Washington and demands it.

    So much for Bush being a conservative, or supporting conservatives.

    Dodd and Frank hit the big media outlets over and over where they are lionized as being able to fix the economy. Bush and Paulson say NOTHING.

    Rove attacks McCain after he won’t bow to the Bush/Rove pressure to name Mitt Romney as VP.

  • Chicago

    here’s what Bill Ayers is about:

    wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77407

    ‘Bill Ayers forced me to have sex’ with roommate
    Woman speaking out to counter reports excusing behavior of ex-domestic terrorist

    JERUSALEM – Speaking out as William Ayers becomes an increasingly controversial figure in the presidential campaign, a woman charges the former Weather Underground radical locked her in his attic apartment when both were college students and intimidated her into having sex with his brother and his black roommate.

    The woman, Donna Ron, told WND Ayers declared to her during the 1965 incident at the University of Michigan that if she didn’t sleep with his roommate, it would mean she was a bigot and a racist.

    “I was terrified. People underestimate terrorism by psychological intimidation. I felt like I was being held prisoner,” recalled Ron, an American who now resides in Israel.

    Ron told WND the alleged incident occurred during her freshmen year at the university, where she became attracted to anti-war activism. She had been friends with Ayers for about two months. Ayers later earned a bachelor’s degree from Michigan.

    Ron says she supports Sen. Barack Obama and hopes her charges don’t affect his bid for the White House. She’s involved in a socialist kibbutz movement in Israel.

    Ayers did not return a WND request for comment.

    Ayers helped form an education organization chaired by Obama, and the two later served on a non-profit board and appeared together at various speaking events. Obama launched his political career with a fundraiser at Ayers’ home in Chicago’s Hyde Park neighborhood, where Obama also lives.

    Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin has brought up Ayers on the campaign trail this week, charging Obama had been “palling around with terrorists who would target their own country.”

    Ayers, now a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, has admitted to involvement in the bombings of U.S. governmental buildings in the 1970s, including the U.S. Capitol in 1971. He told the New York Times in an interview released Sept. 11, 2001, “I don’t regret setting bombs.”

    ‘Young ideologues on the make’

    Ron previously recounted the alleged incident in a column published in 2006 by FrontPageMag.com (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=9E8CD8A7-E90B-4311-8AA9-AEFD014A14B2)

    It was at the Undergraduate Library at the University of Michigan on a Friday night in November 1965. … Billy Ayers was standing on the first floor and started talking to me.
    I thought he was cute. There seemed to be jovial kind of instant connection between us. … Despite the caution I’d learned about young ideologues on the make, I was charmed by Bill Ayers and by his savvy talk of politics and the children’s school he was involved with.

    He asked me to go to a party with him and I did. I have a vague memory of the house where the party was and the people there. I think he got quite drunk and I suppose I drank too. I remember walking home with him. He was very open about himself and told me he was one of five children and that he was from Chicago and that his father was rich.

    I felt comfortable with Bill. Throughout my life I had always had a friendly buddy-kind of connection with certain boys and felt that I was developing such a connection with him.

    I remember going back to his attic apartment – he describes it in his book “Fugitive Days.” He had a roommate – a black man who was 23 and married with children. There was a couch, a table, a stereo and a sink in the room. There were two beds – Ayers’ and his roommate’s on each side of the attic wall. I slept with him there.

    I came there a few times to talk and to listen to his LPs. I especially loved Glen Yarbrough’s album “Come Share My Life.” I met Bill’s roommate who also worked at the children’s school. I also met Bill’s younger brother Rick. Bill was a year older than I and his brother was a year younger. He spent a lot of time at Bill’s apartment.

    What I do recall is that when I was getting ready to leave Ayers told me I couldn’t go until I slept with his roommate and his brother. At this point Bill and I had slept together just once. I was sexually inexperienced, having had only one serious boyfriend with whom I had recently broken up.

    At first I thought Ayers was joking. I got up; and went to the door. He moved quickly to block me at the doorway. He locked the door and put the chain on it. I went to the couch and sat down and told him that I had no intention of having sex with his roommate and his brother or him.

    He said that I had no choice but to do as he said if I wanted to get out of there. He claimed that I wouldn’t sleep with his married roommate because he was black – that I was a bigot. I had gone to school with black kids and had them as friends all my life. I couldn’t believe he was saying that to me.

    I felt trapped. I had to get out of the situation I was in and because he was so effective a guilt-tripper, I also felt I had to prove to him that I wasn’t a bigot. I got up from the couch and walked over to the black roommate’s bed and put myself on it and he f—–d me.

    Ron wrote that while having sex with Ayers’ roommate she “went totally out of my body,” a description commonly used by rape victims.

    “I floated beside myself on the outside and above the bed looking at this black stranger f— me angrily while I hated myself,” she wrote.

    “After that I had to go lie down on Bill Ayer’s bed for his brother to screw me. Rick Ayers was a decent person, unlike his brother, and couldn’t go through with it. He started and stopped and let me go. I also thought I had to let Bill screw me but at that point he unbolted the door and I left.” ‘There was no way out’

    Ron said she did not immediately report the incident, because she was in shock, and because in the 1960s the term date rape did not exist.

    She said she felt like she was “psychologically raped” by Ayers.

    “I felt like I was being held prisoner,” she told WND. “I remember sitting on the couch and he kept badgering me and stood over me. At the time, it was clear for me there was no way out if I didn’t do what he wanted me to do.”

    She told WND her experience caused her enormous trauma and psychological suffering and that she has undergone years of therapy.

    “One of my friends recently pointed out to me how the experience actually colored my life and caused me to do all sorts of things,” she said.

    “What had happened affected my ability to trust in a relationship with a man, and I didn’t have a close relationship again for a long time,” said Ron.

    Ron said she eventually moved to Israel, where she is now involved in non-profit resource and program development, and was not aware Ayers had reestablished himself as a respected teacher and leader in education in Chicago until he published his memoir, “Fugitive Days,” in 2001.

    She said she was compelled to speak out this week only after reading multiple media reports she said attempted to excuse Ayers’ behavior during his Weathermen years.

    “How could people accept him back into society as if he did nothing wrong? He may still be having a detrimental influence on people. I have many concerns about speaking out, but I think people need to know who Bill Ayers really is,” she told WND.

    ‘I feel we didn’t do enough’

    Ayers, as WND has reported, was a key member of the Weathermen, a band of revolutionaries who declared war on the U.S. government and the free enterprise system during the 1970s, and has written about his involvement in bombing the New York City police headquarters in 1970, the Capitol in 1971 and the Pentagon in 1972.

    He told the New York Times in an interview released Sept. 11, 2001, “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.” He posed for a photograph accompanying the piece that shows him stepping on an American flag.

    Ayers last month wrote on his blog he still feels not enough was done to oppose the Vietnam War, although he clarified, “I don’t think violent resistance is necessarily the answer, but I do think opposition and refusal is imperative.”

    Ayers’ wife, Bernadine Dohrn, also has served on panels with Obama. Dohrn was once on the FBI’s Top 10 Most Wanted List and was described by J. Edgar Hoover as the “most dangerous woman in America.” Ayers and Dohrn raised the son of Weathermen terrorist Kathy Boudin, who was serving a sentence for participating in a 1981 murder and robbery that left four people dead.

    The charges against Ayers and Dohrn were dropped in 1974 because, as the New York Times reported, “it was ruled the government’s case was based on illegal wiretaps.”

    That’s Bill Ayers.

  • oowawa

    Smoking guns all over the place. Thank you, Fluffy Bunny. We’ll be ready for them in 2012.

  • Karma

    She was only saying she wasn’t painting you with that brush. You are the one who painted yourself with it based on age.

    With all due respect, this election has shown what newsrooms and their bias has done.

    Hillary would probably be President elect right now if they had kept their opinions to themselves.

    It is clear that most newsrooms whitewashed the relationship between Ayers and Obama. So that proves her point.

    All the documentaries on the 60s falsely claim Altamont/Rolling Stones signaled the end of the peace era, when it was really the Weather Underground that blew up the peace movement months and years earlier.

    There has not been one documentary that really lays any kind of blame on WU for their hand in destroying the anti-war movement. No one wanted to be associated with them and stop protesting as much.

    Strange enough, Ayers with Obama has done it again. They think Obama is the anti-war candidate when in fact his troop withdrawl totals were regular troop rotations. We all know Obama stated troops left in Iraq would based on what the commanders and the situation on the ground dictates.

    That is exactly what Bush has said for years. The anti-war left is appeased!

    The fools.

  • Karma

    I completely agree a Yo Mama joke session has more bite than what those two exchanged.

    I think it was a dog and pony show too.

    And yes boomers romanticize the 60s.

  • Baba Rum Raisin

    >>> The same Larry Sanders…

    Hey, now!

  • Baba Rum Raisin

    Yes, Little Billy Ayers, the Eddie Haskell of domestic terrorism.

  • AF catfish

    The New Yorker needs a new editor. Hendrick Hertzberg writes a predictable Obama-fawning Talk of the Town column every week. George Packer is now quoting Andrew Sullivan as a credible source.

    Hertzberg appears on the Tweety Matthews show and they share leg-tingles.

    And now this – a Bill Ayers interview. They should have run this BEFORE the election.

  • Docelder

    boomers romanticize the 60s

    Yes, but anarchism remains anarchism nonetheless. Maybe Obama will force those from this generation who “never grew up” to finally do so.

  • http://AmericasFavoriteTerrorist.com Gerard McNedich

    Oh, yeah, the Obama voters left those outside their polling locations.

    that is what the dude with the nightstick was doing then….

    a. hillary
    b. mccain

    america first!

  • Docelder

    Maybe somebody might ought to readdress that upcoming dorm room sit-in?

  • Athena the Warrior

    Double dare you to look at the cover of today’s Sun-Times and Red Eye

    http://www.suntimes.com/index.html
    http://redeye.chicagotribune.com/

    Scroll down to the left side for Today’s Front Page “Windy City White House.” That alone makes me sick to my stomach. This country has no idea what it just did to itself.

  • Iggy

    Whitey.

  • http://wiskeytangofoxtrotoscar.blogspot.com/ James Leseke

    No, not really it means he may have had a peripheral contact with BHO’s organization prior and then none at all. Sort of like his relationship to BHO in the Annenberg Challenge days. Ayers wrote the original proposal up and helped steer the process along. Obama was on the board later on when the grant was distributed. Like it or not Ayers is a respected figure in the realm of education, that is why Annenberg accepted his proposal in the first place. BHO was not the only Chicagoan who decided to ignore Ayers’ radical past; there were some solid blue Republicans serving on that board too.

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