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I Am So Proud to Be an American Citizen

Today, I witnessed our system of justice at work. And our American system of justice worked. I am profoundly moved by this quite unexpected (!) event.

Serving as a juror on any case is a solemn duty. Solemn. The two most important words that I, as a juror, have always kept foremost in considering the guilt or innocence of a fellow citizen — and the accused are, all of them, our fellow American citizens entitled to every right the rest of us receive — those two words that mean the most are Reasonable Doubt. It is better that many guilty go free than that one innocent person be found guilty. Always. No matter who the defendent is. No matter what the crime is. Even the death of a precious little girl.

I’ve studiously avoided listening to much of the trial of Casey Anthony, but it was impossible not to hear a lot, particularly the “talking heads” on every news channel. What bothered me most about the case were two things: (1) She was overcharged (capital murder was not a reasonable charge, in my opinion); and (2) I had a lot of doubts about the scant — scant — evidence that the prosecutors were able to provide. This does NOT mean that I don’t think Casey Anthony is probably guilty. She probably is. But the prosecutors did not prove her guilt beyond ALL reasonable doubt.

How interesting that the jury verdict came in on the day after the most important holiday for every citizen of this nation. And that that holiday is named “Independence Day,” which means — to me — this nation’s founding, so radical at its conception, meant that every citizen deserves the same rights as every other citizen.

I haven’t heard from any of the jurors yet, and we may never hear from them. But there were 12 citizens, just like you and me, who came together and found insufficient evidence to charge the defendant with either capital murder or manslaughter. That is, quite simply, huge.

And I suspect that being in that courtroom every day is a very different experience from watching it on television, particularly with the constant opining from the “talking heads.” One day, a neighbor came over and she asked me to turn to the HLN channel. There was Nancy Grace, who has to be one of the most odious personalities on television. I am sure that Ms. Grace is seething at the moment. But I’ll make sure to avoid listening to her. Leave that to her fans, although I am astonished that anyone would elect to view her show. But, were Nancy Grace charged with a serious crime and I were a juror for her case, I would have to set aside ANY personal feelings I have about her as a person, and make the difficult effort to solely consider the evidence. That is difficult to do. And Casey Anthony was certainly an unappealing defendant in many, many ways. So it is especially remarkable that the jurors set aside any negative impressions that they must have had about her.

The point is that being a juror, in the courtroom, is a very different experience. Most of all, there is a monumental burden in being a juror, particularly in a capital case. I have no doubt that those 12 people gave the case their very best attention and consideration.

Enough from me. I just wanted to say that — whether or not we agree with the jury — the system worked. And thank god for this system that we American citizens are so fortunate to enjoy.

  • Anonymous

    I could not agree with you more!

    I have no sympathy for this woman and I do think she did something that caused the death of her daughter.

    However, in our system of justice the burden of proof is on the prosecutor and they must prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

    I did not pay much attention to this until it went to trial and avoided listening to the talking heads.

    Based on what was presented the prosecutor did not establish the cause of death with any certainty and the defense did a good job of misdirection and creating doubt.

    • Anonymous

      Good points, Hokma.  Glad you brought up the defense’s hard work in creating doubt.

      Although if one listened to that HLN channel — ugh — there was zero doubt.  

      Since you seem to have watched enough to have formed intelligent impressions, I must ask you a question that has bugged me but I can’t answer because I didn’t watch enough to know:  Did the prosecution ever prove that Casey was ever in possession of chloroform?  Aside from the “junk science” evidence presented about the air in the car trunk having chloroform?  (I call it “junk science” because I saw Dr. Michael Baden who was thoroughly disgusted that the judge allowed such unproven, likely unscientific evidence to be introduced in the trial.)  Also, did anyone ever discuss just how in the heck someone could get their hands on chloroform?  I haven’t a clue.  Yes, they had the Google searches on the home computer, but — and here’s another point that Dr. Baden made — if Casey made the chloroform, he said that the entire home would have reeked of the drug for a good week.  Just curious.

      • Anonymous

        If you listened to HLN the 3 Duke Lacrosse players would still be in jail for the next 20 years.

        • Ferd_Berfle

          Speaking of the LaCrosse players–they never did get an apology from Al Sharpton, did they?

          • Anonymous

            Sharpton doesn’t apologise, he just moves on to the next freak show.

            • Ferd_Berfle

              Sharpton doesn’t apologise, he just moves on to the next freak show.
              ============
              Now that’s funny!

            • Anonymous

              But, he keeps the “Spirit of Tawana Brawley” fueled and on-line at Teterboro 24/7!

          • Anonymous

            nope.

          • Anthony

            Rumor has it that DSK is going to be their new coach…

    • Anonymous

      I do think she did something that caused the death of her daughter.
      GUILTY AS HELL.

      • Anthony

        Lt us not forget that this happened in Florida, where they can’t even count votes……

        • Anthony

          Hey-  How did I get Hokma’s image on my comment?

          • Anthony

            nevermind…..

            it changed.

        • Anonymous

          I lived in Florida for nearly 25 years, off and on, and Anthony, you’re right. They can’t count votes. 

          • Anonymous

            I lived in Florida 30+ years and came to the conclusion early on that Jesus couldn’t have been from there, as it was impossible to find Three Wise Men or a Virgin…

  • Anonymous

    They did not present a good case against Casey.
    These are my feelings.
    Something went very wrong the day Caylee died.
    For Caylee to have been missing for as long as she was before even her grandmother reported reveals a very weird story.
    From what I have read and heard Casey and her mother had seen each other more than once after the child’s death and prior to the grandmother reporting it.

    Do I think that Casey did it by herself?  Not sure but she had a hand in it.

    Do I think there is more to it than just Casey?  YES

    Do I think that just maybe one or more of her parents know more than they are telling?  YES.
    Just my 2 cents.

    • Anonymous

      Your comments are fascinating.  Yes, the parents likely do know more than they are admitting.  The TV talking heads have made a big deal out of the parents leaving the courtroom early and not going to their daughter … who knows why they did that.  One thought I had was that perhaps they wanted to rush home to avoid the media, while all the media was still at the courthouse.

      One side note, probably not important (?):  Her brother wasn’t there.  

      One thing that the prosecution did that I think worked against them:  They presented lots of THEORIES about what happened and why they think Casey murdered her daughter.  But their theories were the product of their imaginations, not buttressed but by the slimmest of evidence.  

      The male prosecutor may have turned off the jurors.  Even this morning, before the jury came in the courtroom, he was swaggering and swinging around in his chair, his chest jutting out, his fingers threaded through his belt – just like he was 110% sure he had convinced the jury and that his big payday had arrived.

      • Anonymous

        Oh, ferchrissakes. 

        FIND A BRAIN TO RENT FOR A WHILE, will ya?

      • BINKY

        Ah, the voice of reason…

    • Anonymous

      They presented an excellent case. The jury IGNORED ALL OF THE EVIDENCE.

      • Anonymous

        They are supposed to present a case that is beyond a resonable doubt. As NoQuarter said below they had lots of Theories.

        Theories leave you with doubts.

        There was no real hard core evidence found to 100% connect Casey to ALL the evidence they found.

        The duct tape was one example…everyone in her family had access to it…and the duct tape still was not  even majority proven it was from the roll of her father’s duct tape.
        I could go on…
        Like  I said the family knows more that they let out..Is it one of them guilty I think so…or at least they know who.

        • Anonymous

          But only Casey had a motive.

          • Ferd_Berfle

            For all we know, Casey’s parents might have had a motive along with means and opportunity.

            • Anonymous

              Ferd and Harp…Remember some Sexual Child Abuse issues where brought up in regards to the grandfather????
              So Grandfather??? or Bother who we never saw that much…Look above …what dirt did this family sweep under the carpet.

            • Anonymous

              So true.

            • Anonymous

               Well, thanks for proving my earlier point, Ferd. CLEARLY, you have no fucking clue what evidence was presented in the  trial, because if you had any clue, you’d know the evidence proved NO POSSIBLE motive for the grandparents to harm their granddaughter, who was the “love of their life.” 

            • Ferd_Berfle

              who was the “love of their life.”
              ===========
              So those two say. That’s their story and they’re sticking to it.

        • Anonymous

          Yeah, kind of like no one ever wanted to make the connection of NIcole Simpson’s problem with drug dealers or that her sister was dating a known mafia thug at the time.  But hey, popular opinion is OJ did it.

          • BINKY

            Here, you can watch the whole trial, minus the advertisements.  That way you can speak with knowledge of the evidence.
            http://www.wftv.com/index.html

            • Anonymous

              I’m not interested in what was shown on tv. because that’s just the admissible evidence.  It’s the stuff that doesn’t get out, much like the theories on the Jon Benet Ramsey murder….quietly dropped from sight since mama Patsy died.  hmmmm

        • Anonymous

          You’re fucking stupid.

        • BINKY

          It was Casey and I believe George and Cindy know.  Here’s a link to a transcript of the interview with Equusearch…I was shocked.  And, knowing, they allowed the country to go on searching for a live Casey:
          http://www.thehinkymeter.com/Library/CMA/reports/ocsosupreport12549_12576.pdf

    • Katmoon7

      Kin, you read my mind, I have thought the same thing, very often about this case, more than one involved. Thank-you for summing it up.

      • Anonymous

        Katmoon, there is simply no justification WHATSOEVER for a verdict of “not guilty.”

    • Anonymous

      THOSE ARE YOUR “FEELINGS.”

      Oh, well, thank you so very much. Your “feelings” mean so much to all of us. You know nothing about the evidence, and you’re a complete and utter moron, but you have “feelings” that we should all respect. 

      ARE YOU INSANE?

  • Anonymous

    They did not present a good case against Casey.
    These are my feelings.
    Something went very wrong the day Caylee died.
    For Caylee to have been missing for as long as she was before even her grandmother reported reveals a very weird story.
    From what I have read and heard Casey and her mother had seen each other more than once after the child’s death and prior to the grandmother reporting it.

    Do I think that Casey did it by herself?  Not sure but she had a hand in it.

    Do I think there is more to it than just Casey?  YES

    Do I think that just maybe one or more of her parents know more than they are telling?  YES.
    Just my 2 cents.

  • yttik

    I completely agree! For a while there I was worried we were going to execute Casey Anthony simply for not being “likeable enough.”

    Justice did prevail. No doubt the whole family is all screwed up and an innocent child is dead, but in the US we really strive to make sure nobody is ever convicted of a crime without some evidence. This whole idea that Casey Anthony, by virtue of her “innate womanly evilness,” makes crops wither and children die, was really starting to frighten me. Witch trials anybody? I’m breathing a sigh of relief that Sharia law hasn’t come to America yet.

    • Anonymous

      Short lived sigh, yttk. It is here in the form of the “religious” question.
      I grieve for the child. Christ can grieve for the mothers sins.

  • Anonymous

    I`m sure this tramp will party like it`s 2008, write a book and promise to spend the rest of her miserable life looking for Caylee`s murderer.

    I think you are giving this jury way to much credit. Many cases are found guilty without absolute certainty.

    This is not about justice for this waste of flesh. It` supposed to be about justice for Caylee.

    God will have the final verdict. Count on it.

    • Ferd_Berfle

      While I agree with you, HARP, that Casey was likely guilty in the circumstances surrounding the death of the child, the government screwed up yet again. Wrong charges at the wrong time and a poor effort on the part of the prosecution (just as in the original OJ case) killed whatever chance they had at a conviction.

      • Anonymous

        One of the best tools any jury has is common sense. This jury was obviously sorely lacking a tool belt.

        What the Hell did they think happened?  Suicide !!!!

        • Anonymous

          “Bella Vita”

          Casey Anthony murdered her 3 year old daughter–brutally, and with MALICE. 

          • Anonymous

            I am not disagreeing, Noogan but in what way was there malice? The fact that she did not speak out for a month about her child “missing” is, on any other deliberation a problem for the defense it does not represent direct eveidence…what malice is the same as pre meditated?

          • Anonymous

            Noogan if you are so sure why didn’t you present your evidence to the proscecution?  If you have definitive knowledge that this was the case, then why did you withhold or conceal that information.

            I understand you being upset but please stay out of the emotional circus unless you have information that would be useful.

            • BINKY

              She can rant if she wants to Buzz — we all rant and rave here one time or another.  Thank you for your consideration.

          • Anonymous

            Ferd, there was no “lack of direct evidence” in this trial. If you’d watched even a small portion of the trial you’d know it. I was totally non-committal prior to the trial; I’d heard about the case, but didn’t really form an opinion. But in the last 2 weeks I began watching the forensic evidence presented by the state. It was HUGE; not circumstantial, but timelines, hair, everything. The verdict simply does not reflect REASON OR EVIDENCE in this case. 

          • BINKY

            I watched every minute of the trial, too, and I believe the prosecutors did an excellent job.  Jose ranted and raved and spewed lies and innuendo and never backed them up with fact.  It seems facts never got in the way of the jury’s opinion.  The jury never even bothered to fact check Jose’s allegations because they made a decision without ever asking to go over testimony or evidence.  This was a piss-poor jury in my opinion.

        • Ferd_Berfle

          The jury didn’t think she was guilty of capital murder beyond a reasonable doubt. She was likely guilty of something lesser but the prosecution screwed it up and went for the whole hog. I have to place blame on a grandstanding DA, probably looking for votes.

          • Nobama4me

            Actually, no, Ferd. The prosecution went for a lot of lesser charges too, like manslaughter, and it is mindboggling that the jury dismissed them all. Caylee was murdered for the second time today. 

            • Ferd_Berfle

              I stand corrected. Perhaps the lack of direct evidence tying the death to Ms Anthony was enough doubt in the jurors’ minds to acquit her of any charge.

            • Anonymous

              Prosecutors are government paid workers who tend not to be the best and the brightest when compared to the highly paid defense attorneys.

              They have to deal with the evidence as provided to them by investigators and generally they leave a lot of loose ends.

              I watched the case (not the talking heads) which was not very long and was trying to figure out exactly how she died and where. All the prosecutors had disjointed facts pieced together with hypotheses. Before the case I would never have thought others may have been involved. Now I do.

            • Anonymous

              AMEN NObama4me. 

              Apparently, people on this site think their opinons should be valued, EVEN IF THEY HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHAT THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT.

              Spare me, you morons. 

              A CHILD WAS BRUTALLY MURDERED, and, because you couldn’t have cared less. you didn’t bother to watch the trial, but now you THINK your fucking opinion has merit.

              It’s just so PATHETIC.

              Nobama4me; I watched this trial; I saw all of the forensic evidence presented; I saw ALL of the circumstantial evidence presented. I came to the conclusioin, that WITHOUT A DOUBT, this mother killed her child, hid her body, and partied for 31+ days. 

              GUILTY AS HELL; FREE AS A BIRD.

              In this world, there may never be justice; I pray that in the next world, there will be justice for Casey Anthony. Because there will NEVER be justice for a little girl who trusted her mother and loved her and was innocent IN THIS WORLD.

              God, I’m so outraged by people who are so fucking politically correct they cannot see the god-damned truth right under their nose. 

          • AC

            Ferd, It sound as if you and others followed this so your analysis makes sense to me, Unless there is jury nullification cases of this nature usually turn on the ability or inability of the state to prove the elements of the charge.

    • AC

      Negligence is not a criminal act and not subject to the police powers of the state.  Anyone also that has standing can however sue her in civil court.

      • Ferd_Berfle

        I’m curious, AC–given the evidence presented, did you think she was guilty of the charges?

        • Nickb3450

          Ferd, I honestly did not follow the trial at all,  In fact I know
          nothing of this case, but was responding to an upthread comment of Negligence
          alone.

          For the commenter on Negligent Homicide, the charge is usually Involuntary
          Manslaughter because the intent to do the harm is not an element of the crime
          and in some states it is a misdemeanor.

          I should have been clear that I was commenting on Olivia’s use of the word
          Negligence in and of itself. Negligence used without a qualifier is by itself a
          civil action in Tort Law.

          So, I apologize for the confusion I seem to have caused.

          One further comment:  I should read
          the comment more studiously  before I
          comment.

          Later,

          AC

          Oh, the US legal system is the best that money can buy.

          • Ferd_Berfle

            Thanks, AC. I appreciate it.

      • Anonymous

        If not, please explain the charge of “negligent homicide”?

        Just curious AC.  

        • Katmoon7

          Probably gross child neglect, with gross disrespect of a dead body..

      • Katmoon7

        Preponderance, and I wonder if they could get to that 51%?

    • Anonymous

      Given her track record can you imagine any man even thinking about marrying her and having chidren with her?

      Like O.J. she will have a rough time dealing within society the rest of her life.

      • Anonymous

        I hope she becomes a pariah. 

        • Anonymous

          I don’t think we have to worry about that.  Unless she gets some money together, has plastic surgery, dyes her hair and moves to another continent, she has no chance in hell of any kind of life.  The family is so dysfunctional they haven’t a clue what “normal” is.

          She and her Mother kicked this whole thing into gear when they had a blow-up and Casey left the house with the child.  I think the poor baby was a pawn between the grandparents and their daughter.  She got even alright for being placed 2nd to the baby.  I don’t know how it happened; it may have been a miscalculation on her part (she’s not too bright) but obviously she was the one who was in custody of the baby.  How they lived without money, etc., for as long as they did I’m sure is another story altogether.  Sounds like she was bumming around with her club buddies, crashing at different places…the grandparents overplayed their hand.  Caylee should never have been allowed out of their house with an even more unstable mother than her own.

      • Anonymous

        >>> Given her track record can you imagine any man even thinking about marrying her and having chidren with her?

        One doubts (at least I doubt) that, even before her notoriety that any men ever thought anything about her, beyond calling her a cab to take her back to where she  left her car.

  • Helen

    I agree with you Bronwyn.  I have not followed this case closely, mainly because I was appalled at the bias from obnoxious commentators like Justice Jeanine (who also dresses inappropriately like most of FOX women – with the exception of Greta. I don’t think they understand how it affects their credibility. They look more like Casey the party girl than adult professional women.  Maybe their hostility was projection – they were looking in the mirror.) They didn’t like Casey’s style of mothering and partying and damned her from the start.  They focused on her contradictions but not the others that surrounded the evidence. As a former nurse, I knew the lack of physical evidence was a problem, and as a psychologist I know how easy it is for people to jump to conclusions. hank god the jury was sequestered.

    I didn’t find Casey a sympathetic character (though the hard look may have come with the notoriety) but most of the assumptions made no sense. If she chloroformed the kid, she wouldn’t have needed to duct tape her mouth – that’s more like keeping a kid from screaming. And she would have had to duct tape her nose as well etc. etc.  Partying even when the kid has gone missing makes sense if you know anything about dysfunctional families. They are pros at covering up – and especially so if the family has learned to conceal behaviors or the obvious – as with Casey’s pregnancy.

    Why dump the body near home? We had a case in Seattle years ago when a child went missing and was never found.  But months later, as the community agonized and searched, her body was deposited in a spot that had been repeatedly combed.  Someone was providing closure. In this case, the prosecution went after a less than desirable mother with some pretty faulty assumptions.  I hope Casey and the family get some counseling to deal with the raw wounds.

    • Anonymous

      Oh really? 

      Casey Anthony lied for over 30 days while her child was dead in the trunk of her car. 

      You don’t think she’s GUILTY of something?

      Suspend Common Sense, and Logic. Call it “reasonable doubt.” 

      But you’re still an idiot.

      • Anonymous

        Casey was found GUILTY of four counts of lying to the police.

        • Anonymous

          Oh, how cruel!

          She Committed a Heinous, BRUTAL murder. Do You Care?

          • Ferd_Berfle

            She Committed a Heinous, BRUTAL murder. Do You Care?
            ==============
            That was not proven, according to the jury.

            I’m reminded of the saying, “better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer”.

            –William Blackstone

            • Anonymous

              >>> –William Blackstone

              Was this Before or After he started that “Worst-Dressed” list?

              (OK, tacky, but trying to lighten up the thread a little…)

          • Anonymous

            Yes. I care.
            What an imperfect justice system misses, karma will not.

          • Anonymous

            Conjecture.

        • olivia1998

          what did she lie about?  She didn’t do anything did she?

          • Mary

            Her  own   attorney   admitted  in  court    that  she  was  a  LIAR. 
            And  a    slut,   according  to him. 

  • Ferd_Berfle

    Reasonable doubt. Our system worked once again in that the overreaching government machine was stopped in its tracks, if for only a moment. Of course, this leaves the death of that poor child unaccounted for. Well, had the government brought more appropriate charges against Ms Anthony, the verdict might have been quite different. And speaking of reasonable doubt, I have one concerning the ability of this administration in particular and democratic politicians in general of performing their prescribed functions in the manner spelled out by law. I would bet my last dollar I could find eleven others who also have the same reasonable doubt on this issue. Would that we could put those morons on trial and remove them from office summarily and keep doing it until WE get the government WE demand.

    Yes, I do have a reasonable doubt.

    /rant off.

    • Anonymous

      REASONABLE DOUBT? 

      No. She lied like a sociopath. 

      • Ferd_Berfle

        The DA filed the wrong charges against her and did not prove capital murder, thus allowing her to go free. Justice would have been better served by filing reasonable charges against her that could have been proven. This is our system, imperfect as it is.

        • Anonymous

          I thought negligent homicide…but not having followed the trial in any detail, how was the chloroform and duct tape positively connected to the mother or grand parents?

          • Ferd_Berfle

            how was the chloroform and duct tape positively connected to the mother or grand parents?
            =============
            They weren’t.

        • Anonymous

          THEY DID NOT. And to see someone who should know better make such PATHETIC ARGUMENTS is disappointing. 

          The prosecution file the ONLY CHARGES THAT WERE WARRANTED in this case: CAPITOL MURDER.

          This mother murdered her child in an act of narcissistic, wanton, selfishness; she wanted to be free of her. 

          That you cannot see it, speaks only to your complete lack of moral courage. 

          Shame on you, Ferd. 

          I could not be more disgusted by the excuses by people I previously found credible on this site.

          IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK; IF IT TALKS LIKE A DUCK: IF IT QUACKS LIKE A DUCK. It’s probably a duck. But then if the “defense” tells you it could be a goose, you’re a moron, and you’ll probably believe them instead of admitting you knew truth about that fucking duck all along. 

          SHAME.

          • Ferd_Berfle

            The data (evidence) do not conclusively prove that Casey committed murder. As a matter of fact, there are two others who I think may have had more to do with the death of that child but because the DA was in such a rush to present charges, other persons with having opportunity, means, and potentially motive, were ignored.

            • Anonymous

              You got it!

            • Auntmo9990

              You  only  think  that  because  the  defense  attorney  was  allowed  to  traffic    in  UNPROVEN  slander   of  the  very people  who  loved  that  child  the most,   WITHOUT   ever  producing any   evidence  of  same.  

              It’s  absolutely  disgusting. 

          • Katmoon7

            For the record Noogan Ferd I would have loved to see the case proven where there was a conviction, it didn’t happen and we are simply stating why we think it didn’t You are clearly angry about it, and for some reason don’t think others are equally outraged that this child’s death occurred, they are, but they aren’t anymore of a moron for believing what they understand about this case. No one is rolling over on their backs here and exposing their necks because they are accepting a verdict that was delivered by the most legal means available in our system at this time. Granted she could have gotten off, like you are saying, and it is because she had a defense that mowed the prosecution over, how about some of that correct and righteous anger for them? We haven’t lost our minds- it is a different perception each has about the case, and where the information was obtained from. For me, I would love to see the transcripts, as I realise we don’t know all that took place in that trial.

          • Anonymous

            >>>  CAPITOL MURDER.

            Ummm…you think she killed a BUILDING?

            • Anonymous

              Mr. Natural–LOL—Thanks for the much needed levity.
              leave it to a Southern boy   :)

        • Anonymous

          Yeah the prosecution was going for the jugular and the glory.  It backfired badly.

          • Anonymous

            Just as a minor detail–the prosecutor has got to lose that annoying habit he has of stopping, unscrewing the water bottle, taking a drink, screwing the lid back on, all in the middle of a sentence.  How distracting!

        • Anonymous

          Ferd that’s fucking pathetic. She committed CAPITAL MURDER. 

          • Anonymous

            That she GOT AWAY WITH IT–just like OJ SImpson–doesn’t mean she didn’t DO IT.

        • Anonymous

          They also charged her with aggravated child abuse and aggravated manslaughter, lesser charges that the jury could have gone for. I just don’t understand how she could walk.

    • BINKY

      I suppose the justice system should do away with Circumstantial Evidence cases and only bring those with eye-witness and/or videos of the crime.

  • olivia1998

    Casey was supposed to be the main caregiver of this child.  Somehow she failed at that.  We know Caylee is dead.  If she didn’t let her down then who did???.  She is guilty of negligence if not more.  Our system failed Caylee.

    • Anonymous

      “Somehow she failed at that?”

      She didn’t “fail at that.” She lied for 31+ days to EVERYONE while her child was dead in the trunk of her car, decomposing, stinking like a rotting corpse and then thrown in the swamp with duct tape over her mouth and nose. 

      You know, I’m reminded of the phrase, “it doesn’t take a rocket scientist…” 

      Well, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that CASEY ANTHONY MURDERED HER 3 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER.

      • Anonymous

        Casey Anthony may be out of jail this week for good, but she will be in a very special jail cell for the rest of her life that defense attorneys will never be able to get her out of.

        She will know that everytime she walks into a restaurant, a movie theatre, an office building, or her normal hang outs people will turn their back on her and look at her with scorn.

        Can you even imagine any man that would want to marry a woman who killed her own child?

        There are certain punishments more horrific than being locked up with your own kind.

    • Anonymous

      “Our system failed Caylee”

      Our system may have failed our system.  If Caylee were somewhere up in heaven, looking down, would she want to see her mother killed?  Not if she were a little angel–or would she?  I hear lots of commenters wanting “justice for Caylee”–O’Reilly, notably.  I can empathize with someone wanting “justice.”  But “justice for Caylee”?   It’s not for Caylee–she’s gone.  The justice is to satisfy OUR sense of justice and satisfy our anger.  There’s nothing wrong with that, but let’s be up front about it.

      • Anonymous

        I”m disgusted by your moral relativity over the brutal and hideous, pre-meditated murder of an innocent 3 year old girl. 

        I’m sorry, but I simply cannot even FATHOM such a mindset; you make me sick.
         
        Justice for Caylee? She’s dead. It’s just about the people who are left behind. 

        No. That’s a pathetic argument, made by pathetic moral relativists who don’t have the capacity to make a moral judgment because they live in fear of being MORALLY JUDGED THEMSELVES. Well, I don’t have such pathetic fears. I have no problem CALLING A SPADE A SPADE. Truth is truth; it’s not anything else. Casey Anthony murdered her daughter and she GOT AWAY WITH IT. 

        But I won’t make pathetic arguments that defy reason and even intelligence to say she deserved it!!@fd6a2630366cc61abb730d9bac53d2b0:disqus 
        !! At the very least, I have a conscience, I have the capac ity to THINK.

        Shame on you. First of all, our ENTIRE justice system is predicated on the foundation of JUSTICE FOR THE VICTIM. If you don’t know that, why are you so arrogant that you think you should OPINE on it? Don’t embarrass yourself, you fucking ldiiot. 

        • Anonymous

          Noogan—-Please stop saying ugly things about the wonderful and faithful people here. Oowawa is one of the kindest people who has ever posted here on No Q….Katmoon is too…and Harp!
          It’s hurtful and casts a pall over the fraternity some of us have achieved here.
          You’re out of control and defying reality for some reason. Please stop.
          You should also apologize, IMO.

          • Anonymous

            I have no problem when someone says “I want justice.”  I don’t even mind “I want revenge.”  I object to the rhetorical overuse of the statement “I want justice for Caylee,” as if there were something we could do for her to make things better in some way.  We want justice because when something horrible is done, it should be avenged.   I was as surprised as anyone at the verdict.  I wanted justice.   I wanted revenge. 

            • Katmoon7

              Exactly right oowawa I was a little suprised as well, and have often said I have no issue with wanting revenge. I just am wondering now if people are outraged about the verdict, or outraged about the verdict not giving them the revenge they wanted. I don’t know if I would want revenge, if I do not know for sure in any case if that person did the deed. When a person dies from an accident, we don’t look for revenge.

            • Katmoon7

              Not saying the child died from an accident, it was a general statement. Also would like to say my comments are based in what I understand about the law, which is at best a little. I am not PC nor care to ever be, but I sure would not want to be on trial, in the public eye at this point in time.

          • Anonymous

            I have no problem when someone says “I want justice.”  I don’t even mind “I want revenge.”  I object to the rhetorical overuse of the statement “I want justice for Caylee,” as if there were something we could do for her to make things better in some way.  We want justice because when something horrible is done, it should be avenged.   I was as surprised as anyone at the verdict.  I wanted justice.   I wanted revenge. 

        • Auntmo9990

          Well    said, Noogan.  I  agree.  

          Not   a  single poster  attacking   you  gives  a  diggy  dog   damm  about   the other human  beings   Casey  was  allowed  to  slander,  with no proof,  through  the lies  she  told   her   attorney  to  save  her  own  butt.   Some of  those posters  even   suspect   it  was  true—what  a travesty  they  are.  

          I  hope  she  becomes  a  pariah,   and  that   none  of  her  family  speaks  to her  again.  

          It’s  disgusting,   the  way they  support   what   this  girl  has  done  to her   family. 

          • Anonymous

            Auntmo9990—–I would suggest that if you don’t like the jury system, then work to try and change it. 
            Saying that some of us don’t care about other human beings is a ridiculous lie.

      • Anonymous

        nicely put oowawa…TY

    • Anonymous

      Casey did fail her daughter…To what extent and how I wonder if we will ever know.
      As I said below I do feel the whole family knows a lot more.
      I am beginning to wonder if Casey was just the family’s sacrificial lamb to cover up even more family dirt..

      • Katmoon7

        She made some poor judgements for sure to go out and party while her daughter was missing, and so did her parents. I have to agree here as well regarding the sacrificial lamb thing, I will say I have thought maybe a family member is the father of the grandaughter, or perhaps is the person who was watching the child when she died, I also think she is in deep in a family that has something to hide. 

      • BINKY

        No, I don’t believe that.  Casey appears to be very narcissistic and a sociopath who has terriorized her family for years and the family has enabled her.  I believe she was well loved as was Caylee.  The financial burden George and Cynthia were carrying was causing a lot of stress.  I think it finally came to a head on the 15th when Cindy and Casey got in to it over Casey stealing her grandfather’s nursing home money.  Cindy’s mother was going to have her arrested, but Cindy told her mother she’d never speak to hear again if she did that; Cindy said she’d take care of it.  That was what they had the big fight about on the 15th when Casey grabbed Caylee up and left.  George saw Casey and Caylee back at the house before he went to work–left them there.  But Caylee was not with Casey by 7ish that night when she went to Blockbuster with Tony.  Cindy never saw Caylee again alive.  Even with the missing granddaughter, Cindy kept protecting Casey as evidenced by the transcript of the Equusearch interview with law enforcement.

    • Guest

      I only caught bits and pieces of the case, but also wonder about the negligence charge. Isn’t it child abuse even if Caylee accidentally drowned (which I don’t believe), covered up by the father and that isn’t reported for 31 days ? Couldn’t the jury at least have come down with something by basing charges on the defense case ?

    • Anonymous

      Was criminal negligence one of the charges? If not, why not?

  • Anonymous

    Guilty as Hell……free as a bird.

    Where have I heard that before?

    • Anonymous

      O.J. and the prosecution team screwed that one up too.

      • Anonymous

        The only screw up here is on the part of the jury, which have proven themselves to be COWARDS in the first degree, since they’re too ashamed to come out in person and justify this travesty of justice for a poor innocent little 3 year old girl!

        • Anonymous

          Conjecture.

          • Auntmo9990

            Half  the  defense  attorney’s   claims  were    CONJECTURE,  darlin,   based  on   a pathological  liar’s   story   to  save  her ass. 

            You  really  believe  that  the  Dad  and  the  Brother  sexually  molested  her,   and  that  explains  her  behavior? 

            Frikkin  incredible. 

            • Anonymous

              Some day next week the rancor will be to a level that makes intelligent conversation about this feasible.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, I just heard Casey say that she and OJ will be teaming up to go look for the REAL KILLERS as soon as they’re both out of jail for LYING about the crimes they DIDN’T COMMIT.

      This is a DISGUSTING TRAVESTY. It’s not justice. I can’t believe BH’s sad pitiful opinion that she’s “proud” about it. How pathetic.

      • Anonymous

        Just like OJ, noogan, all Casey has to do to find the person responsible for killing Caylee is to look in the mirror.

  • Anonymous

    ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE?

    Casey Anthony lied for over 31 days while her daughter was in the trunk of her car dead from chloroform and duct tape over her nose and mouth. She went partying while her daughter was in the trunk of her car and then tossed in a bag in the swamp off the road. Tossed by whom? Tossed by her mother, the same person who chloroformed her and duct taped her nose and mouth to suffocate her. It was a BRUTAL crime against an innocent little girl, and YOU THINK IT WAS JUSTICE?

    I can only say that you are a fucking moron,

    • Katmoon7

      Noogan,
      I understand the outrage, but I agee with Bronwyn( don’t everybody faint), and other posters here. You know how we don’t like it when a female candiate gets painted as an idiot, tramp or pig; because of the viewpoint the media gives- well it works that way especially with the legal system when it works correctly.They have their opinions based on what happens in court only- I don’t know what kind of woman this Casey Anthony is, and I also do not know what motive was ever given.  Reasonable doubt is what is needed here, and that was the job of the defense. Also remember we do not know everything that was presented at trial, only the over-hyped issues that would give some good hits on the news sites. What I dont’ like that I have just heard on the news is there is a lynch mob mentality brewing near this courthouse; that isn’t right. Personally from the beginning I have not understood this case as it was presented with the motive that the mom wanted to be a party girl. I have always thought this was a horrible accident that happened during a babysitting and all three family members do know what happened. I think there was panic in her dying, I do not understand why the grandmother googled about choloroform, and further I find it difficult to understand how a father, husband and grandfather, can have an affair and lie about it while his daughter is on trial for killing his grandaughter. I also find all the house/camera interviews just as unseemly as Casey’s behavior when he daughter went missing. I agree with you Noogan, this little girl was innocent, and what is criminal is she is dead, and there is no one to speak the truth of her death. That is the justice I would seek.

      • Anonymous

        The grandmother was proven to be lying about searching for chloroform. That my friend is perjury.

        I want charges brought forth. Now if we are to believe party girl, we better charge ol George for diddling his daughter.

        • Anonymous

          My feeling all along was that the parents were somehow in collusion to cover up one or the other’s tracks.  Just a hunch.

          I agree with Katmoon.  Tragic, yes.  Solidly proven that Casey was the perpetrator, no.

          Next stop:  George Anthony

          Meanwhile, the American press needs to  quit sensationalizing court cases.  The likes of Nancy Grace need to be taken off the air.

          The defense team was quite correct in it’s assertion that the media is to blame for the misinformation given to the pubic.

          • Ferd_Berfle

            Meanwhile, the American press needs to  quit sensationalizing court
            cases.  The likes of Nancy Grace need to be taken off the air.
            ==============
            Do I ever concur.

            • Anonymous

              I love Nancy Grace…been watching her ever since her early days on Court TV. She is a fantastic victim’s advocate, especially when the victim is a child. 

            • Anonymous

              As do I.

        • Anonymous

          >>> Now if we are to believe party girl, we better charge ol George for diddling his daughter.

          Statute of Limitations attaches as of when?

      • Anonymous

        I appreciate your “appreciation.” 

        But you’d have to be a complete MORON to think Casey Anthony didn’t commit this murder of her own child. I’ve got years of higher education  in mental health and years of experience working with families and children “in the system.” 

        THE RED FLAGS FOR ME ARE BLINKING AND SCREAMING IN THIS CASE.

        Sorry, but there is NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER in my mind that this mother murdered her child, in a brutal indifferent, selfish act of  SOCIOPATHY. And, if I were called to testify I would testify to that in clear language. 

        This mother killed her child. There is no reasonable doubt, and to argue such a delusion is INSANE and OUTRAGEOUS.

  • Anonymous

    This jury must have watched CSI way to much. Did they think in the last 5 minutes of the trial, they would find a type of grass that only grows in the Anthony`s backyard sticking out of Caylee`s skull?

    People have been lulled into thinking that trials and convictions are perfect.

  • Nobama4me

    No, Brownyn, I wouldn’t be so quick. I have followed this trial almost every day: while there was no way she could be convicted of first degree murder, there was ample evidence, beyond any reasonable doubt, that Casey was involved in the death of her daughter.At the very least she should have been convicted of neglect and failing to protect her daughter which I believe was what count # 3 was.For the jury to decide that she didn’t have anything to do with Caylee death was a blatant miscarriage of justice.IMO.

    • Katmoon7

      Nobma,
      I watched it often a well, and actually didn’t see evidence presented that could not be torn apart. But that’s just me.

      • Nobama4me

        Really? You don’t think a woman who has been proven to lie and lie and lie and lie about the whereabouts of her little daughter for 31 days had anything to do with her death? I beg to differ: we will just have to agree to disagree.

        • Katmoon7

          I didn’t say that, read my coments please. Yes we disagree. She was charged and convicted of 4 lies, not 31 days of 4 lies, I am saying this because that is how the law looked at it; not me. $ lies to Yuri Melich. Here is the Jury instructions on all 7 counts
          http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/04/jury-instructions-in-the-casey-anthony-trial/

           I do and have said I think she did have something to do with the death of her daughter, but I think there is more people than her single, act or involvement. 

      • Anonymous

        kat — too much of the evidence was theory..Theories are just that theory.

    • Anonymous

      Geezus, Casey Anthony is guilty as hell of FIRST DEGREE MURDER of her daughter, Caylee. The evidence proves it beyond a reasonable doubt and a moral certitude. If you can’t see it, you’re a moron, or worse, a moral relativist.

      • Katmoon7

        Aww Noogan you make me blush when you sweet talk me like that. I won’t take it personally, I get it, you are pissed, I respect that; what I don’t understand is why you are getting pissed off all over everybody here, we were not on the jury, we were not present at the trial and we are not responsible for this verdict, we are observers, just like you, who has not been called a moron  or disgusting or any of the things you are tossing out to people who have engaged many conversations with you, and in disagreement. I have never heard you get this heavy, about anything.

        • Anonymous

          I think a lot of people really have had their buttons pushed with this case; we don’t know this family, only the way the press has portrayed them.  Pretty obvious that they don’t have any skills to resolve issues within the family.  It’s sad when a child is murdered, abused or harmed by a parent but unless you know them personally, I have to wonder why the fixation on the outcome?  If you have issues with your own family it probably makes you crazy that this seems such a miscarriage of justice.

  • Anonymous

    Being dependent on the variables of multiple humans, our justice system is imperfect, that much is certain.  When I am frustrated and dissatisfied with it, as I am in this case, I wonder what system could be better.  So far, I haven’t come up with an answer.

    • Anonymous

      Death Penalty

      • Anonymous

        Wasn”t she subject to the death penalty in this case if she had been convicted?  I find most of the arguments against the death penalty to be pretty much misguided, if not delusional.  There are just some convicts that deserve to die because their continued existence is an unnecessary burden on society.  Do we make mistakes?  Of course, we’re human.  As long as that’s the case, we’ll never come up with a perfect system that makes no mistakes.

        • Anonymous

          Even the force has its dark side.

        • Anonymous

          She was found “not guilty” by a jury of her peers. 

          THAT DOESN’T MEAN SHE’S NOT GUILTY OF THE CRIME OF MURDER OF HER 3-year-old daughter.

          SHES GUILTY. 

          But of course, like OJ SImpson, she’ll walk free; for the time being, of course. Because 
          “justice” has a way of finding you out, no matter where you are, no matter what you say, no matter “who” you are. Just when you think you’ve beaten the system, God intervenes, and “justice” is served.

          I believe, and I pray for justice to be served to Casey Anthony REAL SOON.

          • Anonymous

            Well, OJ certainly learned that justice will eventually be served.

        • AC

          Do we make mistakes? Of course, we’re human. As long as that’s the case, we’ll never come up with a perfect system that makes no mistakes.
          **********************
          An excellent statement of why there should not be a death penalty.

          • Anonymous

            I, myself, am against the death penalty in most cases, but only because it is so frigging costly to the State to prosecute death cases.  Then the upkeep of someone on Death Row is ridiculously expensive to taxpayers and it goes on and on for many years.  Then there are the appeals at taxpayer expense.  In this case, I think it was deserved because the victim was a child. 

            As for your belief that we should have no capital punishment, I am wondering.  If it were your loved one who is murdered, would you still feel the same way?  Would you maybe start to think that the person who killed your loved one deserves to pay the ultimate price for that?  I’ve seen people completely flip their thinking when it becomes personal.

            • Anonymous

              Actually I would SSDD2, there was a blog a couple years ago about the death penalty, and I still hold to what I said then, I prefer my own vigilantism; I would kill them, prefer to feel their blood on my hands, if I really was seeking revenge for my loved one, and gladly turn myself over to the police. I agree people change their minds when they have the experience in present they have only had opinions about in the past. I don’t support the death penalty as law~and prefer not to go down that road as to why. I have changed my mind at least 4 times in my life before coming to my own vigilante answer. 

            • AC

              To SSDD2, 
              Let me be brutally frank.  I have no problem with personal retribution because of the emotional passionate makeup of persons that have been wronged.  They will also get their day in court and then are adjudicated on the facts themselves where a jury may very well nullify the deed–this is our system.  
              I do however have a problem with state sponsored sanctioned killing.

          • Anonymous

            Thank you AC, I agree. In no way being in support of our system indicates any support of this mother.  I believe many people are coming from the point of view of seeing the jury do the work with what they were given, and perhaps thinking about what if each one of us was in a trial, where we were not guilty of crimes charged(not saying this case) yet the popular notion because of media interpretation, or personal impressions called for “justice” beyond prescribed law. I find that frightening. The jury doesn’t have a stake in the outcome of this case, either way the verdict went the media would have been all over them. On a side note I do understand and also find Casey Anthony to be pretty low in the way of mothering regarding the 31 days of her child gone missing with the lies; but I am curious as to how long it was before anyone else knew the child was missing, as in her family and friends. Did they not know because she lied?  Wouldn’t the family particularly have been aware if a “nanny” was being used, as it appears the Grandparents did a great deal of child care for their grandaughter. Did they not know for those same 30 days that the little girl was gone? If that is the case, I wonder why they didn’t know, as I know most family checks in with each other (specially with grandkids or kids invovled) more often than monthly. Wondering out loud. Also I wonder if the Prosecution will take another bite at this case? I understand double jeopardy, but they do have other means to go at this, if they really want the answers.

            • AC

              Katmoon,
              You pose some great questions
              very salient
              (if I were being judged, I hope to have a reasonable juror adjudicating my case), but I have no answers at this time or if ever. I read somewhere else about your experience with the power of the state and so you and I both know that police and prosecutors do lie and they really are not interested in a search for justice –but only to win. 

  • Anonymous

    Her Child was Missing For 31+ Days. She Didn’t Report It.

    Reasonable Doubt?

    You’re A Moron.

    • Anonymous

      I have to question the context of that fact given the juries verdict. How was the childs advocate? 30 days of the radar? wierd. good point.

      • olivia1998

        what happened to offering the basic needs to a child?

    • Anonymous

      Still, there’s no chain of evidence…
       
      Did any one of the prosecution’s witnesses definitively make a solid connect backed by evidence that could not be destroyed?

      No.

    • Anonymous

      If she did report it…who do you think would have been the #1 suspect and why?

  • Katmoon

    I watched this case off and on; the paralegal in me was nosey and the mother in me horrified. One thing I have thought often in this case is collusion within the family. Now I had opinions of what I saw represented by the media as to what this mother did, when her daughter went missing, but what i did not see was any previous history or reference to cps ever being called in regarding the care of this child, nor looking for the paternity, nor forcing it. Most states will push that issue if a single female parent is on aid of any type. I am horrified this child is dead, and the truth has yet to be known, and am equally horrified I had to catch myself to not judge without knowing the facts, it was difficult, as I do not like this mother on her face. But thinking back when I had been a juror in Washington state and how a few of my fellow jury members were going to quickly convict someone of a major crime without evidence, when there were clear problems with reasonable doubt, I am not surprised at this verdict. Also watching the antics of this judge, I was not surprised either that the jury may or may not have been put off by what appear to be a bit of bullying from the bench at the very least, and if casey had been found guilty, opening the case up to several appeals, thanks to the judge’s lack of restraint.
    IMHO, I think the family-those three- know hat happened, and are each involved in some way. I also would love to see a paternity test ran from the grandfather’s end. Ugly as that sounds, the man did not come off as a honest, grieving grandfather, giving that he can lie and manage to have an affair while his daughter is on trial for killing his grandaughter? Yet the daughter’s partying behavior is the big question… seems like related behavior.. Maybe this is a cover up of a very sad accident as one of them was babysitting and due to family fck”ed up dynamics, the truth is still hiding. Unlike the Susan Smith case, this one does not really paint a clear motive, or at least what we have heard via the news and the law jawbones giving their endless opinions. I would like to read the transcripts; and believe that there was a very sad accident, that caused the death of this child and there is more than one person involved in trying to cover that up. Where is the motive, to hide the death? Was she murdered? The chloroform was such a huge issue, the search being done of it; and lo and behold after three years the Grandmother testifies she was the one who did the search-why the tight lip about this while her daughter sat in jail, and everyone thought she had done the search?  Too many oddball things still hanging here, I would not be surprised to see new charges brought against another family member.

    • olivia1998

      There was a DNA done on both Lee and George early in the case. 

      • Katmoon7

        Yes there was DNA done, and it was found to be not of a substantial amount….this is per the reporting not me, I am just repeating.

      • olivia1998

        I should add and they both were not the father of Caylee

      • Anonymous

        AND THEY WERE EXONERATED.

    • Nobama4me

      In regard to the chloroform search: Cindy was trying to cover for her daughter. The search was done on the home computer; the prosecution showed Cindy was at work in the date and times the search occurred: she had no access to the home computer.She also tried to cover for Casey when she said she told the police there was the smell of a dead body in the trunk: her justification was that she wanted the police to act and come quickly. But the smell in the car was aknowledged by Casey herself: she said to friends the car smelled bad because her father had probably killed an animal while driving her car.

      • Katmoon7

        Yes she did, but why not sooner? Yes, this is what she “said” For me there are just too many circles here that link the three, and Frankly I do not think this young woman smart enough to pull this off alone.

        • Anonymous

          Strange also that the mother is a nurse, and I would think she would know a bit more about the compound.

        • Anonymous

          Strange also that the mother is a nurse, and I would think she would know a bit more about the compound.

      • Ferd_Berfle

        The search was done on the home computer; the prosecution showed Cindy was at work in the date and times the search occurred:
        ================
        Cindy could have “time-traveled”. A search of the computer would give a clock time set on THAT computer, which may or may not correspond to the actual time the search occurred.

      • Anonymous

        My gut says the tHe family is covering something up and for some reason I think the mother was involved but how involved who knows..I think the whole family had something to do with what happened..not jsut the mother.

        • BINKY

          The mother was the one trying to cover up for Casey, even impeded the search going forward into the area where the remains were found.  A neighborhood child told the Anthony’s he/she had seen Casey’s car backed up to the wooded area on Suburban Drive.  The PI Hoover told Equusearch about it and asked them not to tell the Anthonys he told them.  George was trying to get the information out of Casey.  http://www.thehinkymeter.com/Library/CMA/reports/ocsosupreport12549_12576.pdf

      • BINKY

        But, Casey’s father had not been driving her car.  Only Casey had it.

    • olivia1998

      Cindy lied it was proven she was at work and couldn’t have done the search

    • Anonymous

      This is a co-dependent, dysfunctional family by definition. 

      That said, there is simply NO EVIDENCE of anything but sociopathy by Casey Anthony. 

      She’s guilty as hell; free as a bird. Just like OJ Simpson. 

      Oh, yeah, so I’m singing paeans to our system of “justice” like Bronwyn, who has clearlly lost all sense of reason. 

      Not. This mother obviously murdered her daughter in the most unimaginably brutal and cruel manner, and then exploited the sympathies of people to deny it. 

      SOCIOPATHS ARE ALWAYS SO GOOD AT THAT.

      • olivia1998

        what goes around comes around Casey.  Watch out God must have a plan for her and I’d bet she won’t like it.  Ask OJ?

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dawn-Elle/100000171102021 Dawn Elle

          no she belongs to the DARK side and will BURN (of that Im sure)

          • Anonymous

            Let’s hope she ends up on the 9th Circle of Hell.

    • Anonymous

      Hey Katmoon,  did they let you be on a jury knowing that you are a paralegal?

      Where I live, I haven’t been selected because I disclosed that I’m a trained paralegal.  

      Weirdly, I received my training in WA state.

      • Ferd_Berfle

        So what do you think about this case, Buzz?

        • Anonymous

          I agree with Katmoon on the assessment of the proceedings, the evidence, the judge, George Casey, etc.  However, I would like to say that I am not accusing George as some are doing to Casey here today.

          There’s just so many things that do not add up about the family.  

          Simply put, the burden of proof was not met.

          • Katmoon7

            I know I have to watch the accusation thing, I would just re-state, something doesn’t look right with this family at the end of the trial. Collectively.

            • Anonymous

              Maybe someone will re-letter their mailbox to read: “Anthony Family – Four Assholes, No Waiting!”

          • Anonymous

            You are right on both coutnts Buzz…the burden of proof was not met and there is something fishy about the family.

      • Katmoon7

        Buzz, I haven had that pportunity yet, but yes I would disclose it as well as soonly becoing a CASR. Not enough experience in office yet so to keep my chops up I wanted to volunteer somehwere where I could really make a difference, with abused kids, being their voice Cool didn’t know you were a paralegal, although you may have mentioned back in our early years here. What kind of law?

        • Anonymous

          I worked briefly in Estates and Trusts.  I went back to teaching because I could make more money, then.  I now usually just try to keep the family business from wading into hot water.

           I dated a county prosecuting attorney many, many years ago.  Had some inside scoop about the OJ trial re: the LAPD…was sworn to absolute secrecy because I overheard a conversation.  I decided there weren’t enough Prilosec tablets in the world to want me to go there.  LOL!

          • Katmoon7

            Oh man, no kidding. I worked at the state legislature, as I wanted to get very familiar with state law, and I loved it, refused a job last year at the Tn Supreme Court(I know) as it was in Nashville, I applied just to see what would happen. Worked for an attorney who had some paycheck on-time issues-did a brief stint as a temp Exec Assistant for a non-profit, I was not their cup of tea, and have been unemployed ever since. So time to volunteer for the kids. All our instructors were sitting judges which was really fantastic(they were tough) and one state senator, I loved it, I miss school, and I wish I had done this in my younger years. I would have tried law school.

          • Anonymous

            The OJ case was screwed up from the minute they arrived at Nicole’s house.

            • Anonymous

              Absolutely.  They also had some serious blinders when it came to gathering witness evidence, timing out the events, and some unmitigated bias towards not looking into Nichole’s background.  Goldman, unfortunately, was probably at the wrong place at the wrong time.
              Missing blood evidence from the lab. Later returned, but had been rendered unusable, why?

  • Anonymous

    Since the police now have a cold case, maybe they will investigate George and Cindy more. It never did sit right with me that on Cindy`s 911 call she stated that that the car smelled like there had been a dead body in it. Who would use the past tense unless you knew the body was no longer there.

    • olivia1998

      I caught that too Harp.  I never saw the text message with mistress either.  The National Enquirer says Casey’s pregnant.  I thought her chest looked larger as the trial went on but hay who knows.  The Enquirer has been know to be right from time to time.  Ask John Edwards

      • Anonymous

        She’s probably pregnant by her boyfriend “Tony.” 

        She’s a sociopath; their modus-operandi is to exploit people; therefore “Tony” had better look out, because he’s about to become the next victim of Casey Anthony. 

    • Anonymous

      Give me a fucking break. That’s ridiculous. Cindy Anthony is the ONLY ONE WHO CALLED 911. That is after Casey Anthony hid her daughter for over 31 days, with lie, after lie, after lie to both her parents and the police.

      ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE?

      You have to be an idiot to think there’s an argument in defense of Casey Anthony here. 

    • Anonymous

      What didnt sit right with me was how long it took Cindy to call the police.
      The daughter did not live that far, and usually was a frequent visitor. 
      From what I have read Cindy saw her daughter a few times between the death of her granddaughter and her call.
      Why did it take her so long to start wondering where her granddaughter was.

  • yttik

    What makes American justice such a remarkable thing is that we don’t let anger and hatred towards the defendant color our judgement. People are upset, emotional, a child was killed, but that is not an excuse to rush to judgment and convict somebody without evidence. If we do that, it might make people feel better, but you risk sending an innocent person to jail and letting a child killer go free. You also risk having a justice system that resembles something more like Sharia law then the ideals we in America hold dear.

    The prosecution did not present any evidence what so ever linking Casey Anthony to this crime. Most of what people have heard has been hyperbole and theories presented by TV pundits, designed to get you hooked so you watch their shows.

    • Anonymous

      JESUS. The ignorance here is astonishing. 

      There was a boatload of evidence–forensic and circumstantial–presented in this case against Casey Anthony. All of it pointed to her guilt. 

      If you didn’t see it, you don’t have the right to issue an opinion on the case; if you did see it, and you say there wasn’t any evidence presented, you’re a liar.

      Casey Anthony lied about the whereabouts of her child for 31+ days. During that time, the child was decomposing in her car trunk, dead from chloroform and duct tape over her mouth and nose. Meanwhile Casey Anthony was partying and getting a tatoo that said “Bella Vita” on her back left shoulder. She only cared about herself; she only cared about her own needs, she was NEVER ONCE concerned about her daughter.

      If you people cannot see the OBVIOUS in this case, you’re depraved.

      • Guest

        I haven’t kept up with the case but did catch an alternate juror on FOX. They were apparently looking for a motive to murder. The circumstantial evidence is very compelling but being from a dysfunctional family or Casey being a pathological sociopath is not enough to rule out the accident/cover up scenario. 
        “We don’t know how she (Caylee) died,” the alternate juror told Fox News. “It just comes down to probably an accident that the family didn’t know how to cope with…the prosecution failed to show motive.” … He also mentioned that she seemed like a “good mother.” WTH ???

        • Anonymous

          You haven’t kept up with the case.

          That seems to be a common theme around here today. 

          “We don’t know how Caylee died.” 

          It’s pretty obvious how she died. She had DUCT TAPE OVER HER NOSE AND MOUTH when the body was discovered; the duct tape had decomposed just as the body had done. It was there on the face all along. That forensic evidence was presented at trial.  Are they just stupid? 

          We don’t know how she died….Oh, well, I guess DUCT TAPE over the nose and mouth all the way under the chin isn’t enough evidence. But then again, for some people, there isn’t enough evidence, short of a fucking confession to convince them. 

  • Katmoon7

    Imagine this scenario; you are at work one day, a single parent. Police come to your offfce to serve you with a warrant for not showing up at DUI school. You ask, “what DUI school(never been stopped for a DUI)? They have your name your license number, and ss#. Its 1989. It is a federal warrant with charges attached for the distribution and possession of cocaine. You are ordered to appear in court. You in the meantime locate the date of the DUI stop, which you were at home, with your child who is 4. You go to court, and there is the arresting officer-thank god for small favors-and you step outside of realm of safety in the courtroom and go up to the officer and ask, am I the person you arrested, and he says “Yes”. Meanwhile the judge is getting pissed, the gavel pounds you yell, and out slips an “F-you”. You are handcuffed, and dragged into chambers(I swear), where the judge is getting ready to hand you over to the feds; for some reason you ask was a photo taken for booking, they say”of course” you ask to see it, they take it ou(you are still handcuffed) and oh my, and oh dear, and entirely different photo of another woman is there-your previous roomate.The judge is embarassed, but you are still handcuffed and he asks the fed officers what they would like to do, they say let her go. No apology no anything. They ask if you have anything to say, and you ask why did you not check the photo, they told me I “looked” the type for the crime.The real criminal had skipped town-of course. Mind you this was condensed from a 3 year horror in my young life, that could have caused me to lose the custody of my child, my job and my freedom. The problem was, they didn’t look where they needed to for what was easily there for them. Yes this is a different scenario no life was lost, let alone a childs, but sometimes there is such a jump to bring someone to justice, especially with what I agree is weird behavior, that they do not get all of what they need to get that which they seek, a guilty verdict. I could have been in prision for at least 20 years over this kind of crap; and back then I did look whatever type that was, I was saucy, and a bit edgy, but I have always been a damned good mother. Just sayin-

    • Anonymous

      Dicey stuff.

      • Katmoon7

        It was, and very scary as well.

        • Anonymous

          Some of us have experienced far, far worse, Katmoon, believe me. But we can still see the forest for the trees, when it comes to evidence of guilt of a mother who partied while her 2 year old was “missing” for more than a month. 

        • Anonymous

          What a terrifying thing to happen to you.
          I’m so sorry.

    • Anonymous

      Imagine that you chloroform your 2 year old, you put duct tape over her nose and mouth and wait for her to die through suffocation. Then you put her body in a bag and put it in the trunk of your car. Then you drive around with her body in the trunk of your car for weeks–a month maybe–and you go out partying with friends, even get a tattoo “bella vita.” When your mother calls, you tell her you’re in at least 6 different places around the state, with people who do not exist. Meanwhile, you’re still in town, partying, knowing your daughter is gone–remember, the lies she is convicted of telling to police, were told while her daughter was missing, gone. 

      Imagine that while you may have been innocent, that doesn’t mean that Casey Anthony is innocent. Because she’s guilty as hell, and if you can’t see that because of your own fears, then you should fight like hell to avoid EVER serving on any jury EVER because you cannot be impartial in any case.

      Imagine that you could actually not use your own nightmare as an excuse for others.

      • Katmoon

        Nothing like alienating people on the thread not going to try anymore on this topic, but it would have been nice if you could have taken your outrage down a notch. I didn’t use my example as an excuse, it was simply an example, and your insults towards myself and others are unwarranted, and frankly quite cruel. Can’t you be upset about the damned verdict without being such an ass about it? Enough.

      • Ferd_Berfle

        What Katmoon was relating was evidence that our legal system doesn’t always live up its responsibilities. If it can be wrong in one instance, it can certainly be wrong in others. This isn’t about the level of the infraction involved but that mistakes can be made and are made. The prosecution has the burden to prove guilt; it wasn’t and that is the end of it. No one on this blog was involved in the trial so  please don’t jump down our throats because you have issues with the verdict. Write their local papers or local representatives, or the local DA and voice your concerns directly to them.

    • Anonymous

      Sounds to me like a bad batch of donuts… 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dawn-Elle/100000171102021 Dawn Elle

    r u kiddin?  it’s like OJ all over again!  you can KILL someone and spend LESS time in jail then if you are caught doing drugs!!!  WTF is wrong with this picture?  nuckin futz our justice system!  fk justice!  (and I’m barely angry, trust me)  but I call a spade a spade – that was totally political – pinellas county donkeys  grrr

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dawn-Elle/100000171102021 Dawn Elle

      ps.  I’m always proud to be an American just not always proud of it’s JUSTICE system (or lack thereof imho) i live in this damn state too btw!  lol

      • Anonymous

        I’m always happy to be an American, grateful that I was born an American, and love my country without reservation. But I’m not always proud to be an American because sometimes America falls short; today was one of those times.

         

        • Anonymous

          What system of justice would you like to be tried under if by chance you are falsely accused of a crime?

    • Anonymous

      Amen. 

  • Anonymous

    Well, fortunately, our judicial system still relies on the premise that the collective intelligence of the jury is capable of functioning above and apart from the rabble of the talk on the street.

    • Anonymous

      Give me a fucking break. Half of this jury have criminal record themselves. They just wanted to get the Hell out of there.

      • Anonymous

        Give the information/proof that backs up your statement that half of the jury have criminal records.

        • Anonymous

          That’s a misrepresentation completely. Jurors would not be selected for this trial if they had criminal records. There is a selection process you know. 

    • Katmoon7

      As it should be given the 5th, 6th and14th amendments, in that wonderful document we are all so fond here of supporting. 

      • Anonymous

        How utterly ridiculous. This isn’t about Constitutional protections is it? Oh, yeah. What about that Constitutional Protection called THE RIGHT TO LIFE?!

        No. You care more about the murderess’ right not to incriminate herself than you do a 2 year old’s right to live, and not be suffocated, left to rot in the trunk of a car, and then dumped in a swamp in a bag to be eaten by animals–all by her fucking MOTHER?!

        Well, aren’t you special, Katmoon? So…….civilized. 

        Well, PARDON THE FUCK OUT OF ME for being outraged about the brutal, hideous murder of a little girl by her mother and the injustice done when that murderer goes scot-free and giggles about it in front of the cameras. 

        Oh, I tremble for my country when I remember that God exacts his own justice in his own time on us. 

        • Katmoon

          Are you able to read, or just cherry pick?

    • Anonymous

      That will give CAYLEE GREAT COMFORT, I’m sure.

      Oh, wait. No, let me re-phrase:

      THAT WILL GIVE CASEY GREAT COMFORT.

  • Anonymous

    My God people. Think about this. According to her side of the story, she said it was an accident. That means she knew all along that Caylee was dead and rotting in the woods. She didn`t even care that animals would be chewing on her bones. To Hell with that…..LET`S PARTY !! So following this line of reasoning, no one should ever be charged with improper disposal of a body.

    This is sounding more and more like progressives all the time. I guess we should just say she had a very late term abortion and have done with it.

    Sheesh !!!

    • Ferd_Berfle

      If this is the case, HARP, then she should have been charged with obstruction of justice and not murder. My continuing point is that any charges filed must pass the test of reasonableness or else we get mob rule and we all know what we get when that happens–just look at the last election. We don’t need a judicial system that caves in to political pressure. We must maintain our legal system at all costs because it may well be our only salvation at some point. I have my suspicions about that DA, as well.

      • Anonymous

        Oh, for god’s sake Ferd. The police were called by the grandmother who had been looking for Caylee for a month while her daughter, the mother, repeatedly lied. When the police started investigating, Casey repeatedly lied to THEM too about where Caylee was. 

        Anyone with half a brain would find Casey Anthony’s lies and behavior incriminating. The police found the body with duct tape over the nose and mouth; the trunk of Casey Anthony’s car showed clear evidence of decomposition, including a unique smell of human decomposition, and a hair showing decomposition that proved to be Caylee’s.

        The mother of the missing child lied to police about her whereabouts for weeks; she lied to her own family about her whereabouts for months, while she partied with friends.

        SHE’S GUILTY.

      • Anonymous

        you know I was slowly coming to the conclusion during the trial when I did catch some of it (how could we not) that the prosecution was not proving their case beyond a reasonable doubt.  Then when the jury began deliberations, I was watching an interview with Michael Baden and even he said he felt the “forensics” presented were not credible and if Casey Anthony would be convicted on those forensics, which he said would be overturned on appeal btw then  we would in turn go down a slippery slope within our justice system where innocent people would end up being convicted based on “fantasy forensics” hate to use that term but the defense lawyer coined it correctly.  

        The bottom line, the case was NOT PROVEN.  The justice system worked whether you agree on who it worked for is your decision and your opinion but don’t bash or insult the ones who feel the decision was correct based on the facts presented.  

        Same thing with OJ Simpson, the reality is he is the only person who did this however the prosecution did not prove its case against him.  I remember being outraged by the verdict like the majority of Americans however over time I realized that he had a brilliant defense team who created reasonable doubt and therefore he could not be convicted.  The system worked like it was supposed to. Doesn’t make it any better in any way shape or form but that is the way our system works and I will take this system over any other any day of the week.

        Rest in Peace Caylee!!

    • Anonymous

      I don’t believe in the death penalty for two reasons: (1) I don’t think people have the right to take another life if they are not directy threatened, and (2) I don’t think lethal injection is punishment – life in a penetentiary with hardened criminals is.

      In the case of people like Casey she has no idea how tough it is going to be to live among the civilized population as a pariah for the rest of her life.

      Can you imagine any man wanting to marry a woman who killed her own child?

      She may be smiling now, but she does not what is in front of her for decades to come.

      • Ferd_Berfle

        I don’t believe in the death penalty for two reasons: (1) I don’t think
        people have the right to take another life if they are not directy
        threatened, and (2) I don’t think lethal injection is punishment – life
        in a penetentiary with hardened criminals is.
        =================
        I find myself agreeing with you on a great many things, Hokma, and this comment of yours is no exception. I, too, find the death penalty, except in the most extreme of cases, unjustified, because a direct threat to the public is not involved when a person is in shackles and in prison. Better they actually BE punished by living the rest of their useless existences in a prison and one of their own making, ultimately.

        • AbigailAdams

          I have agree.  I think where it becomes a dilemma (dilema?) for the public is when judges and other gov’t officials commute or allow parole where there is a probability of repeat offense.  Mike Huckabee commuted the sentence of Maurice Clemmons who took out 4 police officers in Tacoma last year.  Even the guy’s family knew he was mentally ill.  One of them, an aunt I think, has been found guilty of her part in covering for him while he was on the lamb.  Talk about kicking the can down the road.  Clemmons was convicted of 8 felonies by the time he was 16.  Was certifiable and still was able to leave a total of 9 children without their mother or father.

          His earlier crimes didn’t warrant the death sentence, but how many good people have to die in order for us to believe the courts and our gov’t have our backs? 

          • Ferd_Berfle

            Take politics out of the judicial equation.

        • Anonymous

          Well, it is REAL hard to reverse the ultimate error on appeal when the Defendant is pushing up daisies.

          For those that say that capital punishment Doesn’t Deter crime, be advised that it deters the ever-living shit out of the Executed. That sumbitch ain’t never gonna commit any more crimes, ever again.Personally, I  like Flogging (publicly and often) and Hanging.The problem Florida has is that there is no Scotch Verdict in its system, to wit, “Not Proven.”Did Casey Anthony kill her daughter?Probably.Did the State make its case?No. No Cause of Death, no Manner of Death proven. It was not even proven, beyond Reasonable Doubt, that Kaylee Anthony died as a result of homicide or negligence.Florida made a pretty good case for improper disposition of human remains (FS 497, IIRC), but failed to find a perp even for that charge. If I were offered a week at the Breakers in high season in exchange, I could easily and with a clear conscience personally terminate Casey Anthony’s tenancy on the planet…probably sleep better for a year afterward.Hell, I’d throw in ventilating OJ’s dome for a freebie.But, the Government has to adhere to a higher standard, being, as they are The Government.Because…what if they’re Wrong?And, since when does being a fool, liar and/or four-flusher rise to Capital Offense? If this were true across the board, real estate values  in Northern Virginia and New York City would surely tank.Being a sorry excuse for a human being (proven) and generally not equal to a wart on a competent mother’s ass (proven) are not well addressed in the criminal law. 

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, but we can all be “proud” of our system of justice.

      FOR THE STUPIDS HERE THAT IS sarcasm. ;-/My God in Heaven, this day is a day that will live in infamy in my mind, for the UTTER MORAL BANKRUPTCY I’VE SEEN SPEWED ON THIS SITE.

  • DawninDelaware

    First OJ and now this.
    Where is the justice for this little girl. If her mother didn’t kill her why did she put duct tape on her mouth?

    • Ferd_Berfle

        If her mother didn’t kill her why did she put duct tape on her mouth?
      ============
      That was never proven and is conjecture.

      • Informed

        So the pictures of the duct tape over her nose and face, what were they planted by Mark Furman?
        PICTURES, you idiot, not conjecture

        • Ferd_Berfle

          Link to the pictures? Didn’t think so. What you need to do is go back and actually read the report.

  • Anonymous

    Casey, Parent of the Year – NOT !!!!

    That baby girl will never get justice, but look, how well the 
    jurors did their jobs- NOT !!!!

    Miscarriages of justice happen both ways sometimes
    but look how well those jurors did their jobs- NOT!!!!

    Casey will write a book, do interviews and make money.and that beautiful baby girls death will remain a mystery and a terrible tragedy. 

    Wow, I feel so much better about everything now knowing how well those jurors did their jobs- NOT !!!!!!!Sorry, I see nothing good about this.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dawn-Elle/100000171102021 Dawn Elle

      yep

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dawn-Elle/100000171102021 Dawn Elle

    maybe CNN will hire “tot mom” to sit in the empty chair next to that other criminal punk ???  that seems to be the way of the LSM and FOLLYwood!! see them drooling in CA for the rights to that story!  gee I wonder who will play CAYLEE????  argh!

  • Anonymous

    I agree with you.  Only the jury who is in the courtroom hearing the entire case can make the decision.  And yes, our system is set-up so that it is better for a guilty person to be set free than for an innocent person to be found guilty. 

    • Anonymous

      You’re too stupid to live. The entire trial was televised. And, in fact, viewers saw more of the trial proceedings than the jury. 

      God, I hate stupid people.

  • Anonymous

    That miserable excuse for a human being, Casey Anthony, is going to walk out of jail in either a year or maybe even Thursday afternoon, being set free with time served.  Then she will write a book and have at least one TV movie made about her and collect a crapload of money.  

    The rape or murder of a child is pretty much the only time I am in favor of capital punishment.  I wanted her to get death and I wanted them to bring back Old Sparky to fry her ass.  She’s a sociopath and everywhere she goes, people around her will suffer.  If I were her parents, I’d get the hell out of dodge, because they’re liable to be the next ones to end up out in the woods wrapped up with trash bags.  She did tell her friend Amy that she was getting the house after all.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dawn-Elle/100000171102021 Dawn Elle

      she will be championed by the far loony left for MOVIE rights – she will die her hair blonde and move to LA – she will write a book (hopefully NOT procreate again) and DIE very rich and since she has shown she has NO SOUL – it won’t matter – if she can murder her OWN child?  she can take the scorn of an angry public!  she’ll probably work at cnn (like I said earlier)  unless she STEALs something from somewhere then she may end up back in jail!  pfffffffffffft 

      • Anonymous

        After reading the comments here, I don’t think it will just be the “far looney left” that will champion her.  I frankly don’t get how anybody can think CA didn’t kill her little girl, but then I don’t get a lot of things.

        • Ferd_Berfle

          I just wasn’t convinced, SSDD. Too many unanswered questions and not enough directly traceable evidence. My opinion only, though.

          • Anonymous

            You weren’t convinced that she lied about the whereabouts of her child to her mother for over 30 days? You weren’t convinced that she lied to the police about the whereabouts of her child for weeks? You weren’t convinced by the forensic evidence proving that a body DECOMPOSED in the trunk of her car or the hair that forensic evidence proved DECOMPOSED in the trunk of the car along with the body? You weren’t convinced that the duct tape covering her nose, mouth, and wrapped all the way around her mandible, that was also DECOMPOSED on the body proved that someone put that tape there to kill her? What other reason? 

            You weren’t convinced even when she was found guilty of lying to police about the location of her daughter, when the only reason people lie is because they’re gulty. 

            The scientific evidence in this case proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Casey Anthony is guilty as hell. The forensic evidence was in the trunk of HER CAR. The circumstantial evidence was her clearly guilty behavior. 

            This jury let the defense attorney HOODWINK them with a smoke and mirrors show about what constitutes “reasonable.” In other words, these jurors were just unable to think for themselves. 

          • BINKY

            Did you watch the trial?  Just asking.

        • Anonymous

          I think a lot of people here do think she killed her daughter, and some as well think she didn’t act alone; but also believe the Prosecution was unable to make the case that she did kill her daughter under the terms of the charges, First degree, etc. When I read the instructions to the jury on what they were allowed to consider when deciding the verdict, it makes t, for me, more clear how the jury came to their decision. 

      • Anonymous

        I am sure Ann Rule already has a book in the works…

        “Say What You Will…It Feels So Good”

    • yttik

        “I wanted her to get death and I wanted them to bring back Old Sparky to fry her ass”

      I know and the scary part is that many people feel that way regardless of whether or not she killed her daughter.

      • Anonymous

        I think she did kill her.  I’ve followed this case quite closely. Maybe you think she isn’t guilty and you’re entitled to your opinion, but your opinion ain’t mine.

        • Anonymous

          CASEY ANTHONY IS GUILTY AS HELL.

      • Anonymous

        You know what? I am against the death penalty. It’s not a moral dissent; there are plenty of people who I believe deserve death. It’s an economic argument, and a legal argument I make against the death penalty. It costs taxpayers of states who bring capital cases millions of dollars in legal costs; and anyone who knows anything about the Innocence Project can’t help but pause to think about how many innocent people in this country have died when they were found guilty of capital murder, because more than 200 have been re-tried on new evidence, primarily DNA evidence, and found “not guilty.”

        So, my rage isn’t that Casey Anthony needs to “fry.” My rage is that this jury IGNORED CLEAR AND COMPELLING EVIDENCE OF GUILT and mistook amorphous doubts constituted “reasonable doubts.” 

        CASEY ANTHONY DID IT. SHE murdered her 2 year old daughter–an innocent little girl who trusted her mother. Casey Anthony gave her daughter chloroform, and then suffocated her with duct tape over her nose and her mouth; she put her in a bag in the trunk of her car and drove around with Caylees body in the trunk of her car for a MONTH while she lied to everyone searching for Caylee, and goes out partying and getting her “Bella Vita” tattoo. Then, when she was caught, she lied and said there was an “accident!” 

        Look, I have a lot of experience dealing with psychologically damaged people in my professional life; but only a MORON wouldn’t wonder WHY ON EARTH a mother would LIE about the whereabouts of her child for over a month while she partied, and then when the child’s body is discovered IN A SWAMP, to claim the child was in a drowning accident, but OOPS I never bothered to CALL THE POLICE OR EMT’s when I found her drowned, i just continued to lie about her whereabouts and go party!

        You’ve got to be a complete moron not to see the CLEAR guilt here. 

    • Anonymous

      Thank God there is SOMEONE else here with the “good sense God gave a goose!” As my grandmother used to say. 

      If only there were more OF YOU, SSDD2. 

      God, the thing WORSE than what happened to Caylee Anthony is people who make excuses for it, or most disgusting of all, APPLAUD IT, calilng it “justice.” And saying they’re “proud to be an American.”

      OMG.

  • Ferd_Berfle

    This is how our system works. The burden is on the prosecution to convince a jury of the defendant’s peers that the defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The prosecution, irrespective of anyone’s views on this case, did not prove such to that jury and they acted accordingly as per their instructions. That is the end of it. I’d rather have a scenario such as this than the alternative, which is too nightmarish to contemplate. Railroading comes immediately to mind.

  • Rrtytvt

    noogan,

    You are ”the” moron. Running around on here calling everyone names. It is clear you are no legal genius.  

    • Ferd_Berfle

      Noogan, being a regular and one with whom I often agree, except in this case, has the implied right to have her rant, as many of us have on occasion. No harm, no foul.

      You, on the other hand, are a troll who has no right, implied or otherwise, to make statements about someone you do not know without getting an earful from the rest of us concerning your inconsiderate interloping here. Find another presence to besmirch, will you?

      • Anonymous

        Thanks Ferd. Yes, I’m crazed with outrage. I simply cannot even fathom why people would seek excuses for the behavior of Casey Anthony. 

        I realize the reality: She is “not guilty.” Under the law. But to make arguments that it is “justice” or to say our “system of justice” prevailed, or MOST INSULTING OF ALL, to say you’re “proud” of this, is to spit in the face of EVERYTHING WE HOLD DEAR in this country.

        THIS is a travesty. It’s a reality, and even I will have to accept it; but it is nothing but a complete TRAVESTY of justice.

        And, I’ll leave this site before I’ll EVER apologize for anything I’ve said today to any person on this site because I am not going to apologize for having CLEAR MORAL OUTRAGE at the wrong that has been done to an innocent little girl today.

        No justice for Caylee. No one cares.

        • Anonymous

          Any idea how many people literally get away with murder every year? It comes down to poor investigation and poor prosecutors.

          • Anonymous

            Any idea how many innocent people are jail and on death row every year.  It comes down to poor investigation and poor defense attornies.

        • Anonymous

          And, I’ll leave this site before I’ll EVER apologize for anything I’ve
          said today to any person on this site because I am not going to
          apologize for having CLEAR MORAL
           OUTRAGE

          Yes, I can see by your language that you are the epitome of morality. Don’t slam the door on your way out.

    • Anonymous

      You can kiss my ass. At the very least I have a sense of moral OUTRAGE at the moral relativism you people are displaying here today. I AM DISGUSTED by you.

      Do you care so little about an innocent 2 year old that you would argue that it’s “normal” to LIE when you’re the mother of that 2 year old, missing for over a month? To go partying while your child is MISSING? Pictures of Casey Anthony PARTYING and getting tattoos of “Bella Vita” WHILE HER 2-YEAR OLD IS MISSING?

      You have to be sociopaths, every single one of you, to think this is NORMAL.

      • Katmoon7

        Noogan I don’t think this case is over, either. I think many, many people are equally outraged, and I believe you may see one or more of this family brought up on charges of  conspiracy or collusion.

      • cookiegramma

        noogan no one here has implied that any  thing about the Anthony family is normal, nor have they implied that Casey is innocent. You are so very angered by the verdict that you are unable to really read what has been said by anyone else. I can only hope that at some time in the near future you calm down enough to read what has been discussed here and see just how offensive you are being to these people that you have discussed numerous events and affronts with over the past few years. I weep for the loss of that young life as do you. Caylee seemed to have been a very happy young child. I do need to ask two questions of you. Did the prosecution ever provide any real evidence that Caylee was abused? The second question is, with the way the grandparents adored this child where is the proof that Casey Anthony felt she had no other option but to kill her daughter so she could regain her freedom? The prosecution failed to provide any proof of an answer to either of those questions and with that failure their case fell flat.

  • yttik

    Noogan, I’m sorry, but what makes our justice system so unique is that we don’t operate on the kind of emotionalism you’ve shown in this thread by calling everybody “fucking morons” and “deranged.” I think you’ve damned near implied we’re all child killers ourselves. In the US, opinions and feelings are not what we convict people with, instead we present evidence and facts. Those are our ideals and they’re backed up by our Constitution and our laws.

    Somewhere in this thread you’re upset because you think people disagreeing with you are just being politically correct. I want you to know that standing up for our Constitution and the laws of this nation has never been politically correct. Not when I was protesting against detaining people without charges, not when I was speaking out against torture, and not now that I’m celebrating the fact that we did not execute a woman based on nothing but sensationalism and emotion. I’m never politically correct, thank you very much, instead I’m pretty much doomed to be unpopular.

    • Anonymous

      I’m celebrating the fact that we did not execute a woman based on nothing but sensationalism and emotion.
      _________________________________________________
      Exactly yttik. I don’t believe in trying cases like this in the press. I was on a criminal jury and it was a very serious business even without it being murder.
      Thank you Bronwyn.

      • Anonymous

        Fuck off, you Piece of Shit.

        This woman EXECUTED A 2 YEAR OLD by chloroforming her and then SUFFOCATING HER. Then she put her in a bag and put her in the trunk of her car and then she dumped her body in a swamp.

        THEN she went partying and got her tattoo embodying “Bella Vita” THE GOOD LIFE. 

        You are SCUM if you think she doesn’t deserve to be tried for CAPITAL MURDER for committing such a heinous act. 

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dawn-Elle/100000171102021 Dawn Elle

          quit transferring your anger at “tot mom” to someone who might disagree with you here!  dammit!  you have valid points but they are no longer being heard – don’t you get that?

        • Anonymous

          noogan—-”Fuck off you piece of shit”
          How cruel to say that.
          You must still be a Democrat, who’ve proven themselves to be the most intolerant people on earth. You have become Barack Obama.
          Hope you’re proud of yourself. I’m embarrassed for you.

        • Anonymous

          Not sure if you are Noogan or “Guest” but she WAS tried.
          Perhaps you should designate exactly whose guest you are.

          • Anonymous

            That was Noogan; Ellen, then changed to guest. When you release whatever account you were under that held a sign on name, it will revert back to Guest when there is no associated membership.

      • Anonymous

        EllenD—I really agree with you about the press. Hubby said that it USED to be that in England, the press could not report about a criminal case (other than arrests made) until a verdict had been reached.
        Sounds like an excellent way to handle it. Is it still that way over there, do you know?
        And p.s. Hope your eyes are doing beautifully!

        • ~JustMe~

          Well not today Cindy!

          Britain shocked by hacking into slain girl’s phone.

          LONDON (AP) — Britain’s voracious tabloids may have hit a new low: The News of the World was facing claims Tuesday that it hacked into a missing 13-year-old’s phone messages, possibly hampering a police inquiry into her disappearance.
          Milly Dowler was found murdered months later and the report that her messages were tampered with has horrified Britons. Major advertisers — including Ford UK — have pulled their ads from the paper.
          http://news.yahoo.com/britain-shocked-hacking-slain-girls-phone-124809707.html

          • The Grin Reaper

            I think a dingo ate Casey’s baby.

          • Anonymous

            OMG ~JustMe~—-They’re becoming too much like us! That is just awful.

            • ~JustMe~

              News International, James Murdoch: News of the World is Closing.

              News International has announced that Sunday, July 10 will be the last issue of the News of the World.  In the wake of a 72-hour scandal, pressure has caused News Corp to crack.
              “When I tell people why I am proud to be part of News Corporation, I say that our commitment to journalism and a free press is one of the things that sets us apart. Your work is a credit to this,” said James Murdoch, News International Chairman, in an announcement to staff. “The good things the News of the World does, however, have been sullied by behavior that was wrong. Indeed, if recent allegations are true, it was inhuman and has no place in our Company.”
              http://thefastertimes.com/news/2011/07/07/news-international-james-murdoch-news-of-the-world-closes/

    • Anonymous

      Fuck you. This is not “unique” in the least. O.J. Simpson got off too, and he was guilty as hell.

      There’s no justice here, and you people are deluding yourselves. You aren’t looking for the TRUTH in the least, and THAT is what our justice system is supposed to be about: the search for truth.

      The truth was presented in this trial; if you didn’t watch it, you wouldn’t know. But for anyone who did watch it; the truth is crystal clear. Any parent WHO LIES TO POLICE, HER PARENTS and everyone else about the location of her child, WHILE HER CHILD IS MISSING for over a month, is HIDING THE TRUTH.

      There is only one reason people hide the truth: They are guilty. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dawn-Elle/100000171102021 Dawn Elle

        fuck you?  really?  can you slip that easily into a place where your words stop having any GOOD impact by calling someone names cuz they disagree with you?  no matter how badly they may not GET it or CARE?  you lessen the fight with that shit! 

  • Ferd_Berfle

    I have only on e question:

    What if she is innocent and someone else in that family is responsible? There is where my reasonable doubt kicks in hard. All this evidence could just as easily point to the grandmother or grandfather or, indeed, to the mother. Doubt, doubt, doubt. Better they had charged all three of them and played them off each other.

    The prosecution screwed this one up. Be angry–but at them.

    • Anonymous

      Okay, the ONLY one who lied for 31+ days about the whereabouts of that child was CASEY ANTHONY. She lied to her mother, who was desperate to see Caylee–for 31+ days she LIED. She lied to the police. She lied to everyone; meanwhile her child was missing. She was in the trunk of her car; forensic evidence. 

      What if she is INNOCENT? You obviously didn’t watch the trial, or you’d know she is guilty as hell. WHAT parent lies to everyone about the whereabouts of her child for over a month when everyone, police included, is wanting to find the child?

      A GUILTY PARENT that’s what.

      She’s been found guilty of LYING TO POLICE. If she were “innocent” as you so naively put it, WHY LIE?

      • Ferd_Berfle

        I never said she was innocent. She was found not guilty of the death of her child by a jury of her peers. There’s a difference. I just see it differently than you do.

        • cookiegramma

          I happen to agree with Ferd here, Casey Anthony was found not guilty by a jury of her peers, she was not found innocent. The simple fact is that in the American judicial system we have to judge by a preponderance of evidence not with our emotions. The D.A. over=reached in the charges based on the evidence he had to work with and had he chosen to go with other charges Casey Anthony might well have been found guilty of more than lying to the police.

    • Anonymous

      Unfortunately, the prosecution did not meet its burden of proof, so she is going free.  This can be debated all the live long day and it isn’t going to change anything.  I believe she was up to no good in some way, but I can’t say it was murder.  She is a sick puppy, no doubt about that, but these sort of verdicts are too often the case when the media circus comes to town.  My prayer is that Caylee is safe in the arms of her Father….

      “Say What You Will…It Feels So Good”
      http://www.saywhatyouwill.proboards.com

      • Ferd_Berfle

        I agree.

    • BINKY

      “What if she is innocent and someone else in that family is responsible?” – No way someone else in that family is responsible for Caylee’s disappearance and ultimate demise.  Please read up on the evidence, listen to the trial.  Cindy did impede the search on Suburban Drive (an ultimately George) but Cindy was protecting Casey or else just couldn’t wrap her mind around the idea that Casey could have harmed Caylee.  According to a statement by Equusearch to Law Enforcement, the PI Hoover told Equusearch that a neighborhood child told the Anthony’s they had seen Casey’s car backed into (or up to) the wooded area.  Mr. Hoover urged them to keep searching the Suburban Drive Area and asked them not to let the Anthonys know he had told them.  Hurricane Faye also prevented any further search there at that time, around the 1st of September 2008.  In this same report, information is given by Tim Miller that George was trying his best to get information out of Casey.  George was also reporting the decomp odor coming from the trunk of Casey’s car.  What a mess, but Casey is the guilty one.  George and Cindy are guilty of being the parents, being gulibile to her lies, enabling her criminal behavior re: the check-cashing, and guilty in the end of lying to try to keep her off death row.  George was thrown under the bus and he was the only one of the family trying to bring out the truth–and this was begun as soon as the car and Casey were found.

  • JayD

    I’m sorry but of all the emotions that rise out of this verdict “pride” is not one of them.  We have a good system, generally speaking, but I am not proud of a system that lets a toddler rot in a swamp while everyone else goes about their business and this is exactly what is happening.  How can I be proud of a system that takes you to this empty place where a dead child rots on the roadside without consequences?  I can understand the verdict, yes, I can indeed understand how they came to this decision, but I have no pride in an outcome that does not support those who die at another’s hand or because another was neglegent.

    Caylee did not crawl into that bag herself, she did not tape her own face, she did not drag her own body into that swamp.  There is no pride here and I think the use of the word is very unfortunate even though I can understand where it is coming from. 

    I am not proud of this our system anymore than I am proud of our government, our president, our congress, or our senate.  Yes, they have their good points, but it is also very flawed on many, many levels just like our court system.   Pride is going to keep the status quo.  I am too often disappointed in who we are and will always rise to address that until we are far better than we are at present. 

  • Anonymous

    July 7 Monday (exactly 2 weeks since June 16, Caylee’s last day…) Casey
    Anthony posted this poem the Diary of Days. It reads, in part:

    “On the worst of worst days,

    remember the words spoken

    Trust no one,

    Only yourself.

    With great power,

    comes great consequence.

    What is given,

    Can be taken away.

    Everyone Lies.

    Everyone Dies.”

    • Anonymous

      Well, that’s chillingly diabolical!  Could have been spoken by Milton’s Satan in “Paradise Lost.”

    • yttik

      Yes, but you forgot the rest of the poem and the fact that it was really written a year before the child was born. Again, this is why we don’t convict people based on public opinion.

      The rest of the poem goes:

      Life will never be easy
      On the worst of worse days
      Remember the words spoken
      Hold your head high
      Smile
      Laugh
      Love unconditionally
      Tomorrow is a brand new day.

      • Anonymous

        Thanks for proving my point. She didn`t use the rest of the poem now did she? I wonder why.

        • Anonymous

          HARP, I think the point is that the lines that Yttik provides actually were the concluding part of the “poem” (which is on page 27 of the documents, according to the link I provided above).  Is it possible that your source left off the conclusion of the “poem”? 

          http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70030
           

          • Anonymous

            Possibly. Its happened before.

  • yttik

    Juries are sequestered and for darn good reason. It’s so they won’t be exposed to anything but the facts of the case, not the opinions of Nancy Grace, or HLN, or Bill O’Reilly, or Spitzer or any of the other so called “experts” who have weighed in and shaped public opinion.

  • Anonymous

    Great piece, Bronwyn.  I concur on every level.

  • Anonymous

    I read this blog regularly, comment rarely. May never comment again. You have a person on this thread, Noogan, who is in my opinion mentally unstable.  This person stated that I do not deserve to live.  This person thinks she knows more about a trial because she watched something on tv, and saw m ore than the jurors, (duhhh, hey, there is a reason the jurors were sequestered…duh).  I think you need to delete this persons comments; they are beyond inflammatory. Thank you.

    • Anonymous

      Puma, IMHO, one of the things that makes NQ a valuable forum is that there is a high degree of tolerance, not only for POV’s but for outrageous verbal assaults as well.  I generally try to avoid getting a chair broken over my head, though I’m not always successful.  But, oh well!  Let’s see what tomorrow may bring!  About three years ago, HARP said something I’ve never forgotten (roughly paraphrased): “No Quarter is a good place to hang out, if you don’t mind being told you’re bat-shit crazy from time to time.”  I hope you return!

      • Anonymous

        oowawa…there was a subject matter not too long ago that I was on the other side of the fence from most everyone else.  Yet for the life of me I dont think anyone got this upset at me or me at them.

        • Anonymous

          Kin—that;’s because most people here know have figured out how to argue like adults…
          Believe me, I did my share of ad hominem attacks a couple of years ago here at No Q—But I got called down for doing that…and I’m glad.
          Being hurtful and cruel are not acceptable to me.   Hell, I’ll go back to the Democratic party if I want that kind of treatment..LOL

      • Anonymous

        oowawa…there was a subject matter not too long ago that I was on the other side of the fence from most everyone else.  Yet for the life of me I dont think anyone got this upset at me or me at them.

      • Anonymous

        It still holds true my friend.

    • Anonymous

      Puma for life—-What a horrible thing for Noogan to tell you….that you don’t deserve to live?
      IMO there is an added sinister component to her behavior tonight…Very much a relentless, nasty bully. Arguing is one thing; bullying is another.
      My guess is she’s either a diabetic whose blood sugar level is haywire, or an alcoholic…..Sorry for what happened—hope you come back.

      • Anonymous

        and P.S. I really think Anthony is guilty…..but I’ve witnessed enough of my husband’s jury trials to know that a trial before a jury is an incredibly complex event…..what the jury hears and sees is not what the rest of us do…..and the charge to the jury, if not done right, can really botch it…..You’ve got to have a judge and attorneys who expertly know and respect the law and courtroom procedures. And have done their homework. But it all starts with the voir dire of the jury panel—-That’s the most crucial first step………..  Just my 2 centavos.
        (And  trials should never be televised, IMO).

        • Anonymous

          Thank you and  oowawa for  your comments.  I listened to the interview last night on greta of juror #14.  He also would have voted Not Guilty because the prosecution could not prove the cause of death.  You cannot convict someone of murder if you cannot prove a murder took place.  This juror was obviously intelligent, well spoken and thoughtful. He was a history teacher.  He, and I assume the other jurors, had no idea how much publicity this trial had received.  They were sequestered for 2.5 mos.  I find the Lamestream Media guilty of prejudging someone before their trial, inciting the emotions of the public, and generally sensationalistic bs.

          Oh, and in terms of the duct tape meaning someone wanted to murder someone, that is absurd, also  There was a case in Maine where a foster mother had a foster child who was pretty wild and crazy.  She put the child in the basement, tied her to her high chair, and put duct tape over her mouth so she would not have to hear her screaming.  The child suffocated.  The woman, who by the way worked for social services department, was tried for something like negligent manslaughter not captial murder.  She did not intend to kill the child.  So, that whole duct tape thing did not prove any intent of murder.

          Ok, I’m done with this topic.  Thanks again and have a good day.

          • Anonymous

            Well said Puma, and I am glad to see you here. I have no room to talk, I don’t comment that much anymore,( more personal than anything else) as seen by my typos I have alot of trouble with my hands during the summer and feel foolish when I can’t get out what i want to without a zillion errors in it. Take Care.

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  • Anonymous

    A question for those who believe Caylee accidentally drowned.

    Why was she buried in clothes and not a bathing suit?

    • Ferd_Berfle

      Why was she buried in clothes and not a bathing suit?
      ==============
      She fell in while playing?

      • Anonymous

        The big problem with the drowning hypothesis is the duct tape.  I honestly can’t imagine any plausible scenario short of murder explaining why anyone would duct tape a child’s head….

        • yttik

           Sometimes mothers, sisters, brothers, who did not kill the child but are trapped in the dysfunctional family will put tape on the child’s mouth to prevent dirt from falling in when they are being buried. It’s a symbolic gesture of protection.

          • Anonymous

            Wow, yttik.  That never occurred to me…Is that really the truth?  Was that possibility mentioned in the trial?

            • yttik

              A forensic pathologist. Dr Spitz, testified that the duct tape was not the cause of death and was placed there after the child was killed. In fact, he said it was introduced after decomposition.

            • Anonymous

              A forensic pathologist. Dr Spitz, testified that the duct tape was not
              the cause of death and was placed there after the child was killed. In
              fact, he said it was introduced after decomposition.
              ——————————

              That kind of shoots down the dirt in the mouth theory.

              • yttik

                Yes, it would shoot down the dirt in mouth theory. Unfortunately for the
                prosecution, it also killed their cause of death theory.

                The prosecution itself began the dirt in mouth theory by introducing the possibility that Casey put a heart shaped sticker on the duct tape. Dr. Spitz testified that the duct tape was introduced after decomposition, perhaps to preserve the skull and keep the jaw in place. The jury was left to form their own conclusions, but from the evidence it was pretty clear that the child was not killed by the duct tape, in fact the duct tape was applied later out of somebody’s compassion for the body.

            • Anonymous

              I recall in what I have read, it was Oowawa, and also that the family had a habit of using duct tape in the same fashion for animals that had been buried.

            • Anonymous

              I recall in what I have read, it was Oowawa, and also that the family had a habit of using duct tape in the same fashion for animals that had been buried.

          • Anonymous

            That makes sense. After that lets throw her in a swamp and let the animals have a feast………Jesus !!!

          • Anonymous

            What I understood from forensics and testimony was the duct tape was placed after death..Maybe I have this wrong?

        • Anonymous

          Here is a little experiment you can all try.

          Cut some duct tape and see if it sticks to wet hair.

           This should have been shown in the court room and dispelled her bullshit story.

          That lying piece of shit should have to face a real prosecutor.

      • Anonymous

        Those clothes were for a 24 month old and Caylee was nearly 3 years old. According to Cindy, those clothes were not kept at her house.

        The list of suspending disbelief just keeps growing.

        • Anonymous

          That pink t-shirt that Caylee was wearing said “Big Trouble Comes in Small Packages” and it gives us a bit of a glimpse into Casey’s mindset.  You know…Caylee is “Big Trouble”  or really Caylee is a problem…an inconvenience.  Cindy didn’t like the shirt and I can’t blame her.

        • Anonymous

          That pink t-shirt that Caylee was wearing said “Big Trouble Comes in Small Packages” and it gives us a bit of a glimpse into Casey’s mindset.  You know…Caylee is “Big Trouble”  or really Caylee is a problem…an inconvenience.  Cindy didn’t like the shirt and I can’t blame her.

        • Ferd_Berfle

          You asked a question and I gave a suggestion. Nothing more.

  • BINKY

    I had no doubt.  I thought the prosecution did an excellent job.  The jury completely discounted the prosecution evidence, imo.  
    I don’t feel sorry for Cindy Anthony at all.  She did her best to hamper the discovery of Caylee’s body.  It didn’t come out at the trial, I don’t know why.  For anyone who’s interested, here are a couple of good sites:  Background and investigative information including time line:  http://www.acandyrose.com/EquuSearch testimony to law enforcement (p.7, p. 18, pp. 20-21, and p.25).  http://www.thehinkymeter.com/Library/CMA/reports/ocsosupreport12549_12576.pdfWhat Tim Miller had to say shocked me (from p.7):  When asked about the incident regarding the map Tim Miller stated,  ” …I had that map and George said to Casey. He said, ”Casey, where do they need to start searching?” “Would you make us a spot on the map? Would you make an X would you make  a  spot on the map? ” Cindy really got angry then. Casey got up and went back to  her room and I, I
    looked at George and I think I just kind of threw my hands up and I said,
    you know I’m sorry we really didn’t come to cause any trouble, or something
    to that effect. And then Cindy  asked us to leave and ah,  and certainly 
    wasn’t a friendly way she asked us to leave.” (Transcription page 14, lines
    21 – 25 and page 15, lines 1 – 3)

    According to Nancy Grace (grain of salt), some of the jurors had had some problems with the law and the Judge wouldn’t let the Prosecution strike them.  We have to live with the verdict, but Casey will get hers in the end, I’m sure.

    • Anonymous

      I thought the prosecution made some amateurish mistakes.  The male prosecutor should have never been caught smirking and smiling when the defense was making his closing arguments.  Also, his very odd mannerism of fiddling with his water bottle and taking sips while in the middle of a sentence was quite distracting.  It all detracted from the gravity of the situation.  The female prosecutor’s final remarks were, I thought, very weakly presented.  The adjective is “lame.”  I thought the prosecution would have been better off if she had never spoken. 

  • Mbdphoto

    If you didn’t watch the trial, and you didn’t watch the prosecution, then how can you say it was the right decision?

    • Anonymous

      Maybe some folks preferred transcripts in whole,  over the televised portions

    • Anonymous

      Maybe some folks preferred transcripts in whole,  over the televised portions

  • Angelamheath

    Well said, Brownyn’s Harbor. You need more than “she’s a lying slut with a tattoo” to get a murder conviction.

  • Angelamheath

    Well said, Brownyn’s Harbor. You need more than “she’s a lying slut with a tattoo” to get a murder conviction.

  • annie

    Binky I too watched every minute and the prosecution backed up everything that they said in their opening Linda and Jeff did an excellent job. The jury must be brain dead because if they used common sense if Casey left with Caylee and came back 30 days without her what the hell happened? I guess now we will have to get a criminal on tape to get a conviction today the justice system let a murderer go and had no justice for an innocent child I think they forgot about that and I hope that we never have to see or hear from this family again……God Bless Caylee 

  • AbigailAdams

    What is going on with the pig avatars?

    Something isn’t right about “Noogan’s” comments.  What I mean is Noogan has been commenting here for quite a while and they don’t even sound like Noogan.  I know there’s been some back and forth that’s been a little more heated than normal between Noogan and some others, but nothing this over-the-top.  But then, again, Noogan has been escalating the inferences.

    I don’t know.  Noogan?  Is this really you calling people “pieces of sh**” and so on?  What is going on with you?  I know everyone is under a lot of chronic stress from all that is happening to our country and to our personal lives.  Maybe the outcome of this trial is the final straw for you.  And although some may find it laughable that utter strangers in cyberspace can care about you, I do. 

    I do understand what you’re saying and I do suspect the prosecution mistakenly tried to build a case with technically insubstantial evidence — or perhaps the jury instructions struck down certain evidence — I don’t know.  And frankly, I don’t even care. Whether this baby was viciously killed or was the victim of neglectful care, no one is stepping up to take responsibility for it.  Gutless.  And this, on the heels of the news of the deplorable number of people who don’t even know who the U.S. fought in the Revolutionary war.  Sweet Jesus, Joseph and Mary.  What is truly miraculous is there aren’t more of us teetering over the edge.

    Noogan, do take care friend.   

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    • Anonymous

      Very nice comment AA. You must have been really put off about the number of young people who didn’t know the significance of 1776.

  • Anonymous

    (I posted this down wind, but it should be here)
    Bronwyn,  I REALLY  think Anthony is guilty. However— I’ve witnessed enough of my husband’s jury trials to know that a trial before a jury is an incredibly complex event…..what the jury hears and sees is not what the rest of us do…..and the charge to the jury, if not done right, can really botch it…..You’ve got to have a judge and attorneys who expertly know and respect the law and courtroom procedures. And have done their homework. But it all starts with the voir dire of the jury panel—-That’s the most crucial first step……….. .And  trials should never be televised, IMO. To paraphrase what Breeze said best, earlier today:”Rest in peace little one, You’re in a better place”I feel very sad about that precious little child.

  • Anonymous

    We need to respect the jurors and the system.  The prosecution did not prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt.  They never proved how the child died.  The reality is, many may think emotionally that Casey Anthony is guilty but was it proven?  It was not according to the jurors.  And I personally applaud the jury and respect them for being brave in their decision because of all the self righteous people that will be judging them and their decision.  

    I found it disgusting that we had to watch this trial being sensationalized the way it was when children are murdered every day in this country.  Where is the outrage for those kids?

    • Anonymous

      Agreed TexMex. Briefly saw on the news today an angry crowd outside the court chanting “Appeal. Appeal”
      I guess in earlier times it would have been “Lynch. Lynch.”
      I hope no crazy person gets carried away with this. That’s the danger of these kinds of circuses.
      And I agree that the jury was very brave.

      • Ferd_Berfle

        That angry crowd reminded me of another angry crowd recently in the news. Mobs are mobs.

        • Anonymous

          Right Ferd. My husband got caught in one once and said it was very scary.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W6RLFUOLWP23SJ5RQHENEPHKME David L

    I raised my children telling them during their formative years that if you are looking for Justice, look in the dictionary, thats the only place Justice exists for the common person After 38 years of carring a badge and a gun, I am more convinced than ever that Justice does not exist !! 

    • Anonymous

      Many grandfather quoted, I think Jefferson, when he taught me that, if you want Justice, visit a whorehouse, but if you want a REAL screwing, stop by the courthouse.

      Good advice, I find, 50 years on…

  • Anonymous

    I believe the jurors would have been more likely to find Casey Anthony guilty if it had not been a “capital” case. Knowing that you are condemning someone to ‘death” is a responsibility that I personally would not want to have.

    She may be a miserable human being and may have been a crappy mother, but that doesn’t make her a murderer.

     I thought, and like you Bronwyn I didn’t watch much of the trial, that the prosecuters did not prove beyond a “reasonable” doubt. Like it or not, and many are irate at this verdict, that the bar that must be met. Don’t blame the jurors if the prosecution didn’t meet it.

    • Susiepuma

      I think they’ve watched too many CSI shows and since this country is now so damm dumb – they really believe that TV is really really real………………………………. and in the meantime, who killed Caley – adorable little girl

    • Susiepuma

      I think they’ve watched too many CSI shows and since this country is now so damm dumb – they really believe that TV is really really real………………………………. and in the meantime, who killed Caley – adorable little girl

  • Rex

    First of all, they had other choices besides murder 1 and the death penalty.  I can’t believe that they didn’t at least charge her with child neglect – I guess not reporting your 2 year old missing for a month does not constitute that.  Also, you can’t convince me that they hadn’t been discussing this before hand.  They had their minds made up when they went in the courtroom.

  • Anonymous

    Cheny Mason gives Caylee a salute.

  • Ramanz

    I think the jury system should be demolished.  It proven to be broken over and over.  The jury in this trial proved to be Casey’s peers and NOT peers in the intended way.

    • Ferd_Berfle

      So the system is good when you get the verdict you want but is bad when the verdict isn’t what you want.

      That’s called mob rule and I certainly want no part in it or of it.

  • Anonymous

    I predict the following Arc of the Casey Anthony story:

    She becomes the “hot ride” at all the big-league meat racks from Kissimmee to Sanford for a time.

    She will find a willing ghost writer for her memoirs. It will NOT be Ann Rule. Someone like Joe McGinnis is more her style.

    At least one cover of “People” magazine.

    If she starts working out gym now, religiously, a possible photo spread in PLAYBOY. Not the centerfold, but enough pics that she is photographed attending six of Heff’s parties. Softball, give-and-take interview which reveals, after major league tease, absolutely nada.

    Guest Editorship at NEGLIGENT MOTHER magazine, provided my ex-wife, the Publisher, will hire her. 

    Barbara Wa-Wa interview.

    Wide rumor that she is Warren Beatty’s (or Justin Timberlake’s) latest “Strange.”

    At least three more arrests, probably for bad checks, DUI or misdemeanor Possession of Controlled Substance.

    Three stints at Rehab. Rehab throws HER out, rather than her leaving prematurely, because she doesn’t Pay Up.

    Big Noise over Movie Rights, which culminate in a Pile o’ Crap made-for-TV movie that goes “Direct to Lifetime,” wherein she is portrayed by Victoria Hamel (Farrah Fawcett being unavailable).

    EXTRA BONUS POINTS: If Tim Matheson plays Lee Anthony, Peter Riegert portrays George Anthony and Marion Ross is Cindy Anthony.  

    • Anonymous

      What a true portrayal of our media culture.

      • Anonymous

        I regret that I have no connections to the Travel Industry, as a good stack of ducats could be made off the howling-for-blood mobs selling them a “Nancy Grace ‘You KNOW the Bitch Did It!’” cruise, starring Trailerella herself in all of her Macon bad make-up splendor.

        Wouldn’t have to hawk THOSE tickets on Kayak, wouldja?

  • Anonymous

    Casey leaves Orlando, moves to Naples, FL, and runs for School Board.

    “Let them say what they will, so long as they spell my name correctly!” – anonymous rich guy

  • Orange Bowl Observer

    The evidence was botched.  The medical examiner failed to admit she was unqualified to assess children’s skeletal remains. She is too busy making a name for herself on Discovery to admit she needed a specialist forensic anthropologist. (there are only 4 or 5 in the country that are qualified to assess child skeletons)

    The prosecution went to trial with bad data.  Had the tape been on the skull dead or alive while it still had skin there is NO WAY it didn’t have actionable DNA evidence.

    The forensics in this case stank and the local Floridian handlers there of, boogered it so bad that they in fact destroyed evidence so that the Federal examiners could not help.

    The prosecution should have cut the woman loose and built a credible case. Now she is free to go and cannot be re-charged.

    It takes TIME and care to gather and assess forensic evidence–this is not CSI where the machine pops out an answer in 2 minutes it takes months to isolate and identify DNA evidence.  This case was rushed to judgment and the woman condemned by the TV pundits. Just as they picked Obama to be president and rushed to judgement without sufficient investigation.  The media wants to drive the story not report it.  It is a damned shame.

    This case rested on bad evidence and to add insult to injury that precious little child was used as a tool to make others famous and build their careers–from the ME to the Prosecuter to the Defense team. 

    The travesty in all of this is too many people were looking out for their interests and not doing their job.

    The media ought to be all over the ME  trying to understand why she didn’t open the skull to determin for certain the cause of death–the defense pathologist did–there was blunt force trauma consistent with a blow to the head–maybe an accident maybe otherwise.

    The media and the pundits will rail against the “justice” system and pronounce Casey guilt and themselves right in spite of the stupid jurors.

    Truth is the jurors got it right–there was no clear, undeniable proof.

    The fault lies in the investigation and the rush to make the evidence fit their story instead of following the evidence even if it takes years.

    • Anonymous

      Thank you Orange Bowl, well said, and clear.

    • Ferd_Berfle

      An excellent summation concerning those with whom people should be angry. The jurors had to work within this mess.

    • Anonymous

      Jon Benet Ramsey redux….it seems.

      “Say What You Will…It Feels So Good”
      http://www.saywhatyouwill.proboards.com

    • Domd

      She was in jail for +/-3 years before her trial.

  • Anonymous

    I STILL try to turn this stuff off at every opportunity. Now they are wasting airtime speculating on her future.
    My husband says this reminds him of an old joke:

    Guy in the bottom bunk in a train hears the guy in the top moaning, “I’m so thirsty. Boy am I thirsty.” over and over.
    Fed up he gets the guy some water.
    The guy in the bottom gets back in his bunk to hear the guy above moaning again, “Was I thirsty. Boy, was I thirsty,” over and over.

  • Anonymous

    Casey Anthony Writes About Wanting More Babies

    ABC News,
    by Emily Friedman   
    7/6/2011

    On the eve of her sentencing that could set her free for the first time in nearly three years, a look back at Casey Anthony’s
    jailhouse letters show that the 25-year-old may have more children upon her release. “I had a dream not too long ago that I was pregnant,” wrote Casey Anthony in one of more than 50 letters she sent to fellow inmate Robyn Adams between 2008 and 2009 when the two were housed in the Orlando County Jail in
    Florida. “It was like having Cays all over again,” she wrote, referring to her dead daughter…..

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/casey-anthony-children/story?id=14009375

  • Anonymous

    Fla. Legislator Proposes Caylee’s Law

    WFOR-TV,
    [Miami, FL],
    by Staff   
    7/6/2011
    TALLAHASSEE, Fla.
    (CBSMiami.com)

    – The outrage over the not guilty verdict in the Casey Anthony trial has reached the Florida Legislature. Wednesday, Representative Bill Hager, R-Boca Raton, introduced what is beingcalled,
    “Caylee’s Law,” according to the Orlando Sentinel. The law
    would make it a felony for a parent or legal guardian to fail to timely report a missing child in cases where the parent knew or should have known that the child…..

    http://miami.cbslocal.com/2011/07/06/fla-legislator-proposes-caylees-law/
    was possibly in danger, the Sentinel reported.

  • Ferd_Berfle

    Honestly, I think the MSM is using this verdict to divert attention away from the issues that affect everyone, e.g., the economy. The phrase, “never let a crisis go to waste” comes immediately to mind and the MSM is going to milk this for what it is worth, 24 hours a day, seven days a week until people’s ears damn well bleed and they fall over from sheer exhaustion. And then we’re going to get a hopperful of new laws that won’t be enforced, joining the current ones that aren’t enforced and the politicians will pat themselves on the back for a job well done that wasn’t even a job at all but just more empty damn promises. And the electorate will be lulled back to sleep.

    WAKE UP

  • Ferd_Berfle
    • Anonymous

      Excellent commentary by Boortz, thanks!

  • Anonymous

    What I didn’t say last night was, this case has been sensationalized; as we all know sadly this is not the only case where a child has more than likely been killed by their family. Every single day in our country children are subjected to horrors too sickening to recount, some actually survive. Sad to say this case is more common than many see. That makes it even harder to accept the jury judgement, I would think.
     To me, that is also a major issue in the sensationalizing-as now we have a new standard for what a rotten mother is. Agreed lying about where the child is for a month is the obvious act of a selfish human being trying to cover their own ass, as well as those involved who would lie and cover for her. Getting a tattoo is not, getting pregnant out of wedlock is not-at least is isn’t according to the crap on television day in and day out this is more the standard of life for our young parents. Irresponsibility is an acceptable way of life, all the way down from those on high. Lying is as common and probably more frequent than the truth being told. Speech is constantly manipulated to make you vote, a certain way, purchase a certain way, and yes believe in specifics about evidence in a certain way. What someone else states as fact often is opinion, even those who are deemed experts can and do lie, for the paycheck they are promised. I am not saying that happened here, I am saying that it happens everywhere, all the time. 
     It is also rare in anytime to find a parent that will out their own child for committing such an act, but knowingly impeding a case with no regard to what is happening to this child that is missing sent out a red flag that those who got in the way, were not worried about that, as they already knew what happened to this child-where is the prior concern?  Last, it is maybe a hard distinction to make at this early point, but I will say it anyway, this does have everything to do with our Constitution, which either we uphold in whole, or pick it down to the bones where it no longer functions. We cannot have a single case allow itself to be come more important than the standard that has been from the beginning our law; and if we do as a majority see fit to change the way we handle a criminal case, or any case/law for that matter, that will be what has to be, a majority of agreement where the laws are changed. What benefit does the jury get for the verdict they delivered? I imagine when their identities are known, some idiots will pass on death threats. And like the man seen in the photo with his big message for Casey, by flipping her off, all I can see is, this man looks stupid to me. If he wants to help and get justice then pressure that damned D.A.’s office in Orlanda to keep at finding out the truth for this little girl, because no one has, yet. 

  • BINKY

    Breaking news!  Jane Valez Mitchell spoke to Tim Miller, Equusearch, who explained that they’re exploring the possibility of suing Casey and the Anthonys to recover the money they spent looking for a missing child.  Jose said in court, “there was never a missing child.”  Also, Zanny’s lawyer was on and explained that they’re pursuing their lawsuit against Casey!  The IRS is after her too.  WOW!  

    • Ferd_Berfle

      That is entirely proper as she led them on a wild goose chase. Preponderance of evidence applies in civil cases.

  • Anonymous

    ABC News has admitted that it paid accused murderer Casey Anthony $200,000 in exchange for exclusive rights to video and photos. The network denies that the payments also included agreements for interviews. -snip- From: http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/als-morning-meeting/101509/abcs-payment-to-casey-anthony-raises-questions-about-ethics-checkbook-journalism/

  • Anonymous

    Casey Anthony will be released from jail on July 13.

    “Say What You Will…It Feels So Good”