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“Operation Fast And Furious” Gets The Furious Part Right

This has been an evolving issue, the ATF’s Operation Fast and Furious. In case you are unfamiliar with this program, here are the basics to this program:

A U.S. law enforcement operation intended to crack down on major weapons traffickers on the Southwest border spiraled out of control as federal agents were told by superiors to “stand down” and ignore weapons bought in Arizona headed for Mexico, a House panel heard Wednesday.

Three federal firearms investigators told the House Oversight and Government Reform committee that they wanted to “intervene and interdict” loads of guns, but were repeatedly ordered to step aside.

“Allowing loads of weapons that we knew to be destined for criminals — this was the plan,” John Dodson, a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agent, testified to the panel. “It was so mandated.”

He added: “My supervisors directed me and my colleagues not to make any stop or arrest, but rather, to keep the straw purchaser under surveillance while allowing the guns to walk.” [snip] (Click here to read the rest.)


Holy cow. I don’t know about you, but I find that to be incredibly disturbing.

This program was halted when Border Patrol Agent Brian A. Terry, 40, was killed with one of the guns from this incredibly misguided, ill conceived, dare I say, idiotic, program.

Here’s the thing – finding out who actually authorized this program has been much harder than it should be. Obama denied that it was Eric Holder, though the ATF is under his purview. If you have seen any of the hearings on Capitol Hill, you know that trying to get that name has been like trying to pull hen’s teeth. But Obama said that there will be swift action against whoever it was, though it sure wasn’t Holder. Yeah, okay. Well, SOMEONE approved this plan.

That was then. This is now. And that is not the end of it, not by a long shot. The All Stars discussed this very issue on Tuesday night after several Mexican officials, in response to deaths in Mexico as a result ofn “Operation Fast and Furious” spoke out:

Yes, this is a big deal, and Eric Holder has lots of ‘splaining to do. That’s what Rep. Darrell Issa and Sen. Chuck Grassley think, too, as this Daily Caller article highlights:

Top Republican lawmakers have authored an explosive new letter containing details of secret testimony by acting ATF Director Kenneth Melson, which reveal for the first time the extent to which his agency was involved in an international gun selling scandal.

House Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa, California Republican, and Sen. Chuck Grassley, Iowa Republican, fired off the letter to Attorney General Eric Holder Tuesday detailing what Melson told Congressional investigators in a secret July 4 testimony.

One key takeaway from the meeting was that Melson acknowledged to investigators that agents had witnessed transfers of weapons from straw purchasers to third parties without following the guns afterwards. Straw purchasers are people who could technically legally buy guns in the U.S. but their intent was to turn around and sell them to drug cartels in Mexico.

Another point Melson clarified for investigators was that the ATF group carrying out the mission of Operation Fast and Furious was placed under the direction of the Arizona U.S. Attorney’s office. The U.S. Attorney in Arizona, Dennis Burke, is a political appointee of the Obama administration.[snip]

Here’s the thing, though – it seems that, Obama’s pledge notwithstanding, the DOJ is not being at all helpful in getting to the bottom of this. Gee, aren’t you surprised by that? No? I wasn’t, either:

The DOJ has not been fully cooperative with a number of Issa’s and Grassley’s requests for documents and other evidence in this investigation. According to the July 5 letter, Issa and Grassley said Melson told them he asked the Office of the Deputy Attorney General (ODAG) to be more cooperative with Congressional requests for information, evidence and documents.

Their letter also details how Melson told Issa and Grassley that he and other senior ATF officials moved to reassign every major official involved in Operation Fast and Furious. Melson said Obama administration Justice Department officials directed him and other ATF officials to not communicate to Congress the reasoning behind the reassignments. [snip]
(Click here to read the rest.)

Oh, the plot thickens. No doubt, it will get thicker before all is known about this incredibly stupid, moronic plot. As you might guess, those firearms that were purchased were done so on our dime.

Despite the Democrats’ attempts to try to defuse this issue and make it all about gun laws, this is about the DOJ, and the ATF. It is about who crafted, and authorized, this program which cost the life of an agent, and lives across the border. I hope Rep. Issa and Sen. Grassley stand firm in getting to the bottom of this.

I have a feeling this is just the tip of the iceberg. What do you think?

  • Mebarkerlol

    What is unfathomable to me is this…..ok we allow guns across the border to track them right? This is so we can get the bad guys…. the big ones. In the meantime, the murders and atrocities are committed by the bad guys in Mexico….right? And a border agent…gets killed, was he armed? I do not think so….killed by an American bought gun. There is something seriously wrong with this story. have we come to this? Of course the administration wants this to go away. We are dopes.

  • Christina

    It is amazing how very little of this story has been announced by the mainsteam media…I am watching this story closely.  Hopefully the truth will be revealed, wherever the blame lies!

  • ~JustMe~

    Obama signed funding for Project Gunrunner into law So Obama did not know anything about this, but he signed $10,000,000 in funding for the program. This thing would stink on a dung pile. It is time for indictments.First he tried to pass H.R.495 Southwest Border Violence Reduction Act of 2009 Read the Bill Click Here asking for 15,000,000 for Project Gunrunner.But it never made it out of committee. So he rolled into the stimulus package a month later.H.R.1 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 For an additional amount for State and Local Law Enforcement Assistance, $40,000,000, for competitive grants to provide assistance and equipment to local law enforcement along the Southern border. $10,000,000 shall be transferred to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Salaries and Expenses for the ATF Project Gunrunner. What does $10 million pay for here? They did not hire any new agents. Read this Bill Click Here
    How could this be if President Obama and AG Holder are telling the truth when they say they knew little or anything about the operation? So Obama did not know anything about this, but he signed $10,000,000 in funding for the program. This thing would stink on a dung pile. It is time for indictments.First he tried to pass H.R.495 Southwest Border Violence Reduction Act of 2009 Read the Bill Click Here asking for 15,000,000 for Project Gunrunner.But it never made it out of committee. So he rolled into the stimulus package a month later.H.R.1 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 For an additional amount for State and Local Law Enforcement Assistance, $40,000,000, for competitive grants to provide assistance and equipment to local law enforcement along the Southern border. $10,000,000 shall be transferred to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Salaries and Expenses for the ATF Project Gunrunner. What does $10 million pay for here? They did not hire any new agents. Read this Bill Click Here

    How could this be if President Obama and AG Holder are telling the truth when they say they knew little or anything about the operation?

    • ~JustMe~
    • elaine

      WorldNetDaily: “West calls for Eric Holders removal”

      Fox News online: “WH finally ready to enter the gun control debate”…I’m shocked, absolutely SHOCKED I tell you, that they would announce this late on a Friday night & dove tail it off Op Fast & Furious.  The real ironey: it’s going to be “commonsense” gun control they’re dove tailing off of  Fast & Furious. How splendidly progressive & fast & furious they are.

      What’s next? How ’bout following IceLand’s lead & democratically rewriting the Constitution utilizing FaceBook & Twitter.

  • ~JustMe~
  • AbigailAdams

    If someone else has posted this already, my apologies.

    If you’re not familiar with Ann Barnhardt, the scrappy cattle broker who “threw down” on Lindsay Graham over his ignorant Islamist capitulation (and if you haven’t seen it, you really need to), has written a really excellent piece on Fast and Furious.  Her post is called “Gunwalker: Laying it all out.”  Now, if there is anyone I would trust to know about guns and their use as props in a geo-political or constitutional battle, it would be Ms. Barnhardt.  And if you decide to visit, look at her archives and the clip of  her alter-ego, Wyatt Earp, “I said throw down, boy.”  Whoo, doh-gy!

    http://barnhardt.biz/

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, I’m not exactly sure how the conclusion that” we need to stengthen gun laws” results from an operation where the very law enforcement agents charged with the enforcement of gun laws were directed by their superiors not to enforce them.  We need to get to the bottom of this, and we don’t seem to be doing so in any great rush.  Perhaps that’s because our government doesn’t want us to get to the bottom of it.  Who is responsible for overseeing the actions of the Attorney General in instances where he may be acting in bad faith or exercising poor judgement?  In a world of coverups, Carney just looks like a maid bringing in a fresh load of sheets.

    • JackN

       Holder?  He’s not a smuggling expert.  If some ATF honcho told him to okay this, Holder is only a rubber stamp.

      I’m thinking the bigger likelihood is that the Stimulus money alotted to fast and furious was taken away for some other purpose than paying agents in Mexico to follow the guns.  That might need Holder’s o.k.

      The idea in the beginning is wild and risky.  But if you take the risk, when do you stop?  10 guns?  100?  Not a 1,000!

  • Obamastolemyboyfriend

    You think this is “just the tip of the iceberg”? Just like you thought Rezko was just the tip of the iceberg? Or Blagojevich was just the tip of the iceberg? Don’t you ever get tired of your own BS?

    • Anonymous

      1: Rezko now has another iceberg tip to join him, Blago.  The two together know who the next one is…and that person is in a very high office.

      2:  The second tip of the ATF gunrunning has been exposed today.  Guns to Honduras.   freerupublic.com

      • Ferd_Berfle

        1: Rezko now has another iceberg tip to join him, Blago.  The two
        together know who the next one is…and that person is in a very high
        office.
        =================
        I’m going to grab some popcorn.

  • Anonymous

    the Titanic comes to mind…..

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    There are some indications that the gun running by the ATF had the political end of “social justice” and the aim of ending gun ownership in the US.
    I read another speculation that this “operation” was to ferret out Al Q operatives in Mexico….
    While many of these “theory’s” may have some merit or not…it is only an attempt to explain why stupid is what stupid does…

    WTF where they thinking? Who is be held responsible for the death of Brian Terry?
    Good read Rev.Amy.

    • Anonymous

      Thanks, Teak, and thanks for providing additional theories. 

      You nailed the bottom line though – “WTF were they thinking?” indeed…

    • Anonymous

      Thanks, Teak, and thanks for providing additional theories. 

      You nailed the bottom line though – “WTF were they thinking?” indeed…

    • AbigailAdams

      I was wondering who is behind the decision to put into place a gun-running operation that could put gun ownership in a bad light.   I spent some of my day watching the archived Fast and Furious hearings on CSPAN and then did a little research on the subject of gun control and whack-job Regulatory Czar Cass Sunstein.  As Greely said, this was an operation that placed the selling of arms to drug cartel gun buyers above the primary mission of the ATF.  Someone besides Napolitano or even Holder would have had to initiate such an operation.  Add the fact that Holder’s Chairman of his own Advsory Committee was at the big-wig meeting to discuss the operation with the heads of all the federal law enforcement groups and we at least know that Holder is lying and we can be very circumspect about this president’s complicity — and we know this president’s personal ability to dream up something outside his usual community agitator “pay level” can mean only one thing — his commie czar, Sunstein (the one who wants to give human rights to animals) is, to my mind, the top of the chain of command on this one.

      • AbigailAdams

        ..and I meant to add:  Let’s see Mr. Community Organizer wiggle out of this using the plausible deniability defense Sunstein and Co. have undoubtedly been very careful to have put in place.  They commission currently has the support of 31 congressional democrats.  Let’s see if that number starts to change.  2012 elections are coming and they know it will be hard to find work if they aren’t reelected.  You know this has gotta be the water cooler and D.C. bar buzz.

  • Wbboe

    It seems that the acting head of the DEA figures that if he is going down, he ain’t going down alone.  For example, he is He naming Obama’s FBI and Obama’s DEA as co-conspirators.

    That being the case, it is hard to believe that Holder knew nothing, and Obama learned about it for the first time based on news reports.  But it must be true because big media has assured us that Obama is Lincoln, and Lincoln would never lie.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-naw-atf-guns-20110707,0,6997495.story

    • Anonymous

      I also read someplace that “Homeland Security” was involved too. If so, what did Napolitano know and when did she know it? Sound like a massive screw-up across a lot of Federal Agencies. Those in charge must be held accountable!

  • elaine

    “The UN Small Arms & Light Weapons Treaty…..Proponents of the treaty claim they are only seeking to stop the illicit trade in small arms & light weapons. Yet in 2001, Camilo Reyes Rodriguez of Columbia, then President of the Conference on the Illicite Trade in Small Arms & Light Weapons said he was disappointed by…

    “the inability to agree on language recognizing the need to establish & maintain controls over private ownership of these deadly weapons & the need for preventing sales of such arms to non-state groups.” 

    I sense, in a certain way, many of you are talking inside the larger issue, that being 2nd Amendment Rights. There has never been a registration without a confiscation, not in pre- WWII Germany, not in Canada, Australia, etc…The ATF’s claim they could not track the weapons is all smoke ‘n mirrors, they could of put chips inside the weapons.

    The border agent’s death was a tragedy for sure & I’m not minimizing it when I say if the gangsters hadn’t obtained weapons through Op Fast & Furious they no doubt would have procured them from any of a zillion other sources. Security on the border is insufficent to put it mildly. There are several issues here, I suspect there’s a method to this incompetency story.

    • elaine

      After Iceland went bankrupt they basically scrapped their constitution & now they’re rewriting it “democratically” through FaceBook & Twitter. Think about it.

    • Anonymous

      I am not talking abt 2nd Amendment rights, though I understand how you got there. And yes, this agent may have been killed by weapons obtained from other sources.

      But he wasn’t. He was killed because of an incredibly stupid, misguided, plan devised by someone in OUR gov’t, one in which our agents were essentially told to back off so they could see where this went, except, oops – they lost track.

      And wbboe, yes, Holder knew. The ATF is under his jurisdiction. Given the recent response of the DOJ to Grassley and Issa, I would have to concur with this commenter at this Daily Caller, Lady Catnip: ”

      The shredding going on at DOJ could be named Fast and Furious Part Deux.”

      No doubt.Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/07/justice-department-snipes-back-at-issa-grassley/#ixzz1RQq1JbI8
      article, http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/07/justice-department-snipes-back-at-issa-grassley/

  • Wbboe

    Operation Fast And Furious is a microcosm of the entire Obama presidency.  Call this Obama’s STIMULUS PLAN for Mexican drug lords–who can be counted upon to cast ballots for Obama in 2012.  Meanwhile Obama tells us that he KNOWS  NOTHING about it and Holder is NOT RESPONSIBLE, and he found out about it on television.  Now there is a perfect example of a hands on manager.  But if all that is true, then why the COVER-UP?  Oh what tangled webs we weave when first we practice to deceive . . .

    • Anonymous

      This administration is one big “deception” from start to finish and top to bottom IMO. They don’t lead they lie and they seem to believe that lying and decpetion are fine and dandy if it promotes their agenda.

      I didn’t “buy” it or believe if under a Republican Administration and I don’t “buy” it or believe it now.

      George warned us 200+ years ago:

      “Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism.” ~ George Washington

  • Wbboe

    Amen to that.  What was the lesson of Watergate? It isn’t the crime, but the cover-up (that brings down a corrupt Administration).  Those three elements are also in play here.  For now we learn that  the head of ATF says the Justice Department is impeding the Congressional Investigation.

    I doubt this will sit well with Issa and Grassley–nor should it.  But how will it sit with Patrick Leahey, the world’s oldest deadhead?  Pray tell what will that Bimbo do?

    Will he remember the time when he was a prosecutor himself and the oath he took as a Senator to faithfully discharge the duties of his office?  Or will he attack the whistleblowers and defend Holder?

    The answer, I submit, is a foregone conclusion:  he will circle the wagons.  Why?  Because is a party hack.  I can think of no better example of this than the time he attacked Cheney on the floor of the Senate and thereafter cornered Cheney in the cloak room, apologized profusely and said that it was just politics–he did not mean it.  In other words, he pulled a Goulsbee.

    Whereupon, Cheney told him to fuck off, and assured him that was not politics but from the heart, 

    • AbigailAdams

      I don’t think it’s going down that way this time, Wbboe.  Issa’s already taken that card off the table by reminding everyone that retaliation against whistleblowers and others who are helpful to the court is “unfair, unjust and unlawful.”  I think he made his views and those of the commission abundantly clear. And there was a distinct twinkle in his eye. 

  • AbigailAdams

    I would LOVE nothing more than to be glued to my tee vee all summer watching something like the Watergate hearings.  Remember that?  Or how about the Iran-Contra?  I think the Congress must have some sort of agreement with the networks for summer-time programming. 

    I would so absolutely love to see the ATF whistleblowers and prosecutors kick holes the size of the ones in the southern border in Holder’s, this president’s and the rest of the DOJ’s defense. 

    Rise up!  It’s time to rise up, America!  This may be our best shot at a kenetic struggle against these commies. 

  • Anonymous

    TY RRRA for an insightful article again. Ok what is it with Obama and Mexico..
    The border wars are flowing into our country killing, and injuring numerous Americans. 
    From what I understand the drug mess is also contributing to various other crimes, such as robbery, car jacking and etc.
    Now I hear he wants Texas stop execution  of a Mexican killer.  Not a Mexican killer that there is some doubt about the guilt. But a killer that everyone knows is guilty of ther brutal rape and murder of a 16 year old girl.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/05/obama-stop-texas-mexican-execution
    I feel Obama has done more damage to our country than any other president.  Obama has totally screwed our world wild reputation and our screwed us economically.
    Everyday I wonder and worry if our nation will be ale to survive until he is out office. 
    Then I worry about whether we will find someon to replace him that will be able to fix the mess our nation is end after he is gone.

    • Anonymous

      It almost seems as if they’re all in league together.

      • Anonymous

        NWO?
        .

  • Anonymous

    TY RRRA for an insightful article again. Ok what is it with Obama and Mexico..
    The border wars are flowing into our country killing, and injuring numerous Americans. 
    From what I understand the drug mess is also contributing to various other crimes, such as robbery, car jacking and etc.
    Now I hear he wants Texas stop execution  of a Mexican killer.  Not a Mexican killer that there is some doubt about the guilt. But a killer that everyone knows is guilty of ther brutal rape and murder of a 16 year old girl.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/05/obama-stop-texas-mexican-execution
    I feel Obama has done more damage to our country than any other president.  Obama has totally screwed our world wild reputation and our screwed us economically.
    Everyday I wonder and worry if our nation will be ale to survive until he is out office. 
    Then I worry about whether we will find someon to replace him that will be able to fix the mess our nation is end after he is gone.

  • ~JustMe~

    BUSTED: Obama and Holder can’t run from “Fast and Furious”!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziTlme9nHAs&feature=player_embedded

    • Anonymous

      Impeachment?!

      • Anonymous

        Oh that would be my foundest dream..But I would want all the crap he has pulled to come out..

        • Anonymous

          It’s bad karma to pray for someone to get incurable cancer.

          But sometimes I find myself giving the Cosmos the suggestion.

          Impeachment would be a better option.  :-)

  • Anonymous

    Of course, nobody wants to take responsibility for this horrendous mess.  It’s so typical of these fools in charge to think that giving criminals guns, especially these extremely dangerous ones, was a good idea.  The way I look at it though, shit runs uphill in D.C., so ultimately the responsiblity for this horrendous mess belongs to Obama.  He hired Holder and Holder has proven himself to be a complete incompetent, so Barry this one sits in your lap.  I wish Issa and Grassley luck, ’cause they’re gonna need it trying to get to the bottom of this one.

    • Anonymous

      I don’t know about Grassley, although his obvious outrage is a good indication of his willingness to follow this wherever it goes, but Issa is a bulldog and will not, IMO, let go til he gets to the bottom of this and other things the Oblahblah Administration has done.

      This is why the Dems so feared him being in the position he is now in and tried to head him off at the pass by painting him a some kind of a lunatic. Instead of go after Issa, they should have put a halter on Pelosi who orchastated the GOP take over of congress. But the Dems are so dim they then voted her in as minority leader.

  • Anonymous
    • Anonymous

      Juan Williams says that won’t happen, but wouldn’t it be something if Mexico kept pushing the issue? That would be something.

      • Anonymous

        Anything is possible….with the Sink-the-USA-Crowd.

      • Anonymous

        Anything is possible….with the Sink-the-USA-Crowd.

      • Anonymous

        Juan Williams also says that Obama knew nothing about it. That he, Obama doesn’t know everything.

        That’s a bit disingenuous don’t you think? He may not have known what was going on at it’s inception but he sure as hell had to be asking WTF was going on when it started coming apart.

        Somebody is going under the bus, you betcha and it won’t be Oblahblah.

    • murray

      Although this Fast-&-Furious BS is not being covered by the MSM, I’m encouraged, because Jon Stewart just had a hilarious piece on it.

  • Ferd_Berfle

    Obama denied that it was Eric Holder. The implication is that he knows who did. What did That One know and when did he know it?

    • Anonymous

      According to timelines – Obama admin biggies Eric Holder and Hillary Clinton launched the operation in Jan, 2009.

      Search: timeline for Operation Fast and Furious.   

      Isn’t the ATF under the DOJ?  So the chances Holder didn’t know about it are about nil.

      • Ferd_Berfle

        Isn’t the ATF under the DOJ?  So the chances Holder didn’t know about it are about nil.
        ==============
        All of which means That One’s nose is getting just a little longer and that smoke isn’t only from one of his mirrors routine.

        • Anonymous

          He knew. Even if he didn’t know at the start he certainly was told once the wheels started coming off. This stinks to high heaven!

      • Nellie

        Buzz,

        Holder can do his Sgt Schulz (from Hogan’s Heros) ” I don’t know nuttin” until the world ends but it won’t matter. There is a legal concept “Should have known”.

        Ken Lay of Enron as president and CEO got nailed with this when he tried the Sgt Schulz defense.

        Most recently Sal DiMasi, former speaker of MA House used the Sgt. Schulz ‘defnse” and is looking at 20-25 years (sentencing in August).

        Bottom line – Holder is cooked and no way out. 

  • Anonymous

    Cool!  This is Obama’s scandal!  He’s been long overdue.  Watch Holder and Obama change the rules.  They wanted to talk away rights to gun ownership through this, you watch.

    Congress and all those people it represents should be more than pissed.  We should be demanding heads!

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, Obama is overdue, though I think a case could be made that he has had some, but they were all buried by his all-too obliging media. Heck, even now, he has someone in the White House who is in charge of rapid responses who is very partisan – but he is being paid with our tax money.Jesse Lee isn’t just correcting inaccuracies, he is going after conservatives in particular. But, instead of others in the media decrying that partisanship from the People’s house, they are all like, “see how much Obama uses technology? Isn’t he kewl?” Here’s a link: http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/06/white-house-uses-twitter-to-bully-critics/

      Oh, btw, this man is married to the woman whom many think is responsible for the whole “Petraeus Betray Us” ad, Nita Chaudary. And how do you think those MoveOn folks feel now that Obama has made Petraeus the head of the CIA?? Just wondering…

      • Anonymous

        Obama’s web of corruption is indeed tangled.  

        Jesse Lee can take a long walk off a short pier and take his wife with him.

        Each day I tell myself I’m going to get informed through detached observation and reading.

        And everyday, Obama and Co. piss me off about 3 seconds into it.

        • Anonymous

          The problem is that we’re  mostly over-informed as it is…but no one believes us. .

          • Anonymous

            The problem is that we’re  mostly over-informed as it is…but no one believes us. .

             

            • Anonymous

              So true.

          • Anonymous

            Exactly, sowsear. Fox is the only one reporting it, and Obama has made it his priority to demonize Fox.

    • Anonymous

      Well, the movie “Fast and Furious” didn’t come out until 2009–so assuming the operation was named after the movie (a likely bet)….

      • Anonymous

        LOL, I hate to correct you, oowawa, but the series started in 2001…

        • Anonymous

          Oh–you’re so right!  And for a minute there I thought I was doing some clever sleuthing….

          • Anonymous

            Don’t ya just hate it when it all falls apart like that…

    • Anonymous

      Check this out, speaking of scandals – our newly elected rep., Tim Scott, is claiming if Obama tries the whole 14th amendment thing for the debt ceiling: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/06/tim-scott-impeachment-obama-14-amendment-debt_n_891521.html

      • Anonymous

        I would support impeachment, but then I never thought Obama won the DNC nomination either.  

        Newsbusters.org has an article on how the debt ceiling debacle is mostly manufactured.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W6RLFUOLWP23SJ5RQHENEPHKME David L

    There are people in this corrupt administration, that need to be held accountable for this malfeasance and especially for the death of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.  Eric Holder and Barrack Obama head the list.  Terry’s death lies directly at the feet of Holder and Obama !

    • Wbboe

      Amen.

    • Anonymous

      In the words of Joe Biden, “This is a big F’ing deal”.  And how. 

  • yttik

    That case is so bad it’s just comical. I’d be rolling on the floor LMAO if people weren’t getting hurt and killed by this bizarre act of incompetence. I’m not even sure if incompetence is the right word, but whatever it was, the people in charge were more than a few cans short of a six pack.

    You know, everybody screws up. Things can go wrong even with the best of plans. The problem is this one was so bizarre, I can’t even figure out how it was supposed to work.

    • Ferd_Berfle

      The process went thusly:

      Give criminals guns –> catch criminals with guns –> jail criminals

      Of course their analysis left out the “criminals use guns” part. This is the sort of shoddy work our government plays up as “keeping us safe” while they’re dismantling the Constitution.

      Safe from whom, exactly?

      • Jwrjr

        Another problem is that the ones who allowed the criminals to get the guns are themselves criminals (I believe the legal terminology is “accessory before the fact”) involving numerous felonies, including the murders of some Border agenys.

    • Anonymous

      Maybe it was something like Reagan’s Iran Contra program…

  • Ferd_Berfle

    ATF’s Operation Fast and Furious.
    ============
    I don’t know about anyone else, but this sure sounds like the title of a Roadrunner-Wile E Coyote cartoon. And like Wile E Coyote, the ATF relied a little too much on their super-genius plan.

    Yeah.

    • Anonymous

      “Fast and Furious”

      Named after an over-the-top action movie with a plot that can only work
      on a movie screen.  Some would-be action stars in business suits are
      imagining themselves as Vin Diesel and are getting real people killed. 
      Macho!

      • Ferd_Berfle

        LMAO.

      • Ferd_Berfle

        LMAO.

      • Anonymous

        That’s it exactly, oowawa – they thought if they gave it a hip name, people wouldn’t know what the hell the game was. Who would have thought that they were using our money to buy guns to put in the hands of criminals, then telling the very people whose job it is to counteract that very thing to stay still, and let it go? No one, that’s who.

        I understand the premise, but as Ferd noted above, apparently no one thought a bunch of drug kingpins would actually USE the damn things, ’cause how often does THAT happen, huh? Sheesh.

        • Anonymous

          Haven’t we heard this plot line before?

    • yttik

      I’m having trouble imagining that that anybody could be this stupid. I mean, I realize it’s our government, but geesh.

      I think this is how conspiracy theories are born. People listen to our government’s explanation and they’re like, “no really, now tell me what the real plan was……”

      • Ferd_Berfle

        I agree–conspiracy theories don’t exist in vacuums.

      • Anonymous

        You should have seen the hearings. Oh, boy, were the Congresspeople hot under the collar, especially since they couldn’t get a straight answer.  The head of the ATF kept trying to stonewall them, and they were pretty mad abt it.

        But yeah, it is the thing of conspiracy theories, but SOMEONE came up with this plan. The head of the ATF, Melson, refuses to resign. Maybe he thinks he would have less protection if he did, who knows.

        What I do know is this was just an insane policy, and people died because of it.

      • Anonymous

        Sadly, unlike you yttik, I’m not having a bit of a problem believing that anybody could be this stupid. That scares the hell out of me but it doesn’t, again sadly, surprise me. I wish it did. I would sleep better at night if I wasn’t convinced that we are being led by idiots.

    • Anonymous

      Unfortunately/tragically the anvil dropped on other heads than their own. They’re playing their political games and people are dying.

      Now the Dems are trying to put the blame on the NRA rather than the ATF and the DOJ. I expect the journo-list media to help them with that little bit of legerdemain.

    • murray

      “…a super-genius plan.”

      Now, I KNOW these guys in the White House are sitting around doing drugs.