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“He had me until he picked the dummy”

That’s what my wife’s coworker said to me last night.  “He had me until he picked the dummy“.

During the primaries we had chatted once or twice and she seemed like the only sane person my wife worked with in the OR.  She’d call about the next day’s schedule and when I answered we’d have a short talk about Hillary.

Tonight she’s kept me from sleeping.  It’s 3:30 am here in the east and I can’t get that sentence out of my head.

I answered the phone and she said, “hi”.  I asked, “who is this?”  “This is the diehard Hillary supporter who works with your wife”, “You didn’t vote for John McCain, did you?”.  “Of course I did.  I couldn’t vote for the crook”.

That’s when she said, “He had me until he picked the dummy”I said, “She’s the Governor of a state” and she countered with, “She’s a dummy”.  At a loss for words I said, “hold on, here’s the o’bot”.

I’m still pretty much at a loss for words.  In fact, now that I’ve written this much I may be able to get one more hour of sleep.

It just boggles me.  The total abandonment of any sense, in order to justify voting for the snake oil salesman.  And that’s what they’ve done.  Found anything to latch onto so they can ignore everything they ever knew about Obama.  In this case and I feel millions of others, the lousy excuse happens to be complete misogyny. 

Simply because Governor Palin is a woman, it’s easy to call her a dummy?  I don’t even want to get into the factors of Alaska that make Palin’s world view something most of us cannot possibly understand.

Grrrrrrrrrr!  I’m going back to sleep.  Wake me in 4 years.

I’ll be adding to this later today but probably just on my own blog, Partizane.

  • AnninCA
    • Carol

      They shouldn’t talk about Biden like that!

    • witness08

      Send a thank you to Gov. Palin

      http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/11/10/say-thank-you-to-sarah/

      “Update: Sending your greetings on Tuesday, so don’t delay. Also, don’t miss Gov. Palin tonight on Fox News at 10 PM for her first interview since the election.”

  • cathnealon

    It’s easy to hate on a woman. My Catholic family all echoed the same lineor a variation, my brother from inside the beltway, Northern Virginia, wrote in an email ‘McCain had me at hello, he lost me at Palin.’ So we’re dealing with people with superiority complexes who know subconsciously that BO is an abomination and have directed this reality onto Palin–pretty neat isn’t it? Talk about projection and Freud is maligned and discredited for being off the mark.

    • Pennsylvania Red

      I’m Catholic, I take my faith pretty seriously.

      Any Catholic who hated on Sarah Palin is a CINO – a Catholic in Name Only. The Bishops have never come out strong in an election as they did this year, and the CINOs as a bloc ignored them.

      I think the majority of today’s Catholics view the faith as an opportunity for social interaction at key times in an individual’s life:
      Birth, Marriage, Death, Communion, you know, it’s a way to have some context to life changes and also excuse to have some kind of ceremony or party.

      Catholic teaching includes honor and reverence for Jesus’ mother and respect for the great female saints. Any Catholic who disrespects Sarah Palin is by extension diminishing the value of womanhood as lifted up and venerated by the faithful through the ages.

      I’m disturbed by the outcome of this election but I am glad that our nation’s inherent and entrenched misogyny has been revealed in all its ugliness.

      • http://N/A breeze

        Funny, I left the Catholic church a long time
        ago but, all of a sudden, it all came back with
        a vengeance when I saw little Trig the first
        time……

        Would have I had the fortitude to really give
        birth to a Down Syndrome baby if I had an
        alternative?

        When I saw that little one, I sobbed and sobbed…

        I L O V E S A R A H!!!

    • jackie

      We had the opportunity to hire a pair that do not lie, cheat, or steal nor tolerate those who do.

      In stead they hired a pair that openly lie, cheat, and steal and encourage others to do the same.

      No one looked at Governor Palin and her accomplishments. She is a formidable woman with a record of excellent choices in the best interest of the people of the state of Alaska.

      Sorry she was lacking a penis but I think that is why I like her.

      • lark

        She even was pumping mostly before the national election and I don’t know but probably during the national campaign too.

        Pumping is something that makes any ordinary woman into an extraordinary being. It is something net turn of the Century and immensely complicated and reflective of deep inner fortitude. Pumping is something that men cannot even imagine adding to their schedule and cannot even imagine the kind of character it builds in the woman that can successfully manage to take to completion. It is a wonder of nature and something that has extreme repercussions on the entire family including the extended one.

        I am not talking about breast feeding, I am talking about pumping. It is such a mystery to me and something I cannot fathom. Something immensely gracious.

        In my book, any woman that can pump successfully until the end of such a period is capable of anything and managing any situation and any size company or conglomerate.

        • oowawa

          Pumping is something that men cannot even imagine adding to their schedule and cannot even imagine the kind of character it builds

          Lark, you’re right about that. I’m an old man, and I’ve never even once thought about it. The idea of adding it to my schedule makes me cringe. Character-builder indeed!

      • Ani

        We had the opportunity to hire a pair that do not lie, cheat, or steal nor tolerate those who do.

        Instead they hired a pair that openly lie, cheat, and steal and encourage others to do the same.

        Well stated, Jackie.

      • Diana

        One thing I am surprised her and McCain didn’t play more on. Did you know every year everyone in Alaska gets a check from the oil companies? She said the people of Alaska own the oil, not the companies, not the state. So they divide the profits with everyone in Alaska.

        She could have held onto that money and built her bridge to nowhere in just a few years, but it was more important to her to care for the people she governed. They paid off their debts early because she refused when they were in debt, to spend. McCain has never made an earmark request in all his years in office. Look at the Billions Obama and Biden requested. She found alternatives to their problems instead of just spending because she had checks. She cut her spending as Governor. It was the MSM that potrayed her as a dummy.

        I never in all the years I have been voting seen so many dummy’s that never bothered to do any research for themselves. Yet they have the audacity to call Palin a dummy?

        I had a group of people that voted before me, and I swear when they walked out as I was walking across the parking lot to go in. They were saying did you vote to give the police money? No, I don’t even know what most those props were for. You? No. One of them had said she voted No for homosexuals to get married and her friend said that would be yes, not no. No is so they can get married. She thought she could go back in and re-vote.

        They none knew who they were voting for. for the schools. Had no idea who they were electing for the state. The woman that I signed in with, that took my id told me a lot of ignorant people are voting this year that should have stayed home. They have no idea what they’re doing, what they’re voting for or against, or whom they are voting for. It’s a lost cause this year.

    • oowawa

      who know subconsciously that BO is an abomination and have directed this reality onto Palin–pretty neat isn’t it? Talk about projection

      What really astounds me is how the Obots, who would totally ignore The Messiah’s lack of experience, immediately went after Palin on precisely this issue, even though she was not running for the top job, as he was. And they would do this, and still are doing it, in all seriousness. Projection? Yes, something like that. Very strange.

      • sayitisntso

        Putin has just said that Obama’s ascent signals the decline of America. He’s moving weapons to correspond with his upcoming confrontation with this weak candidate. Check. Checkmate.

        • Diana

          I knew this was coming I’ve hosted Russian students in my home for a year at a time. I have several Russian friends. Anyone who thinks we have race issues in this country n visit Russia. You watch he’ll make himself president again also.

        • Jules

          Funny how reality always has a way of intruding on “hope” and “change”

    • Xkrat

      In just about 2 years of Barky—they’ll all be begging for Palin to run. Personally, I’ve never voted in a GOP primary, but if she runs in 2012 I most certainly will register as a Republican and vote for her!

    • mimi

      The power of the press.

      This is what it boils down to.

      The msm went on the attack and Sarah’s image was taken down.

      And they are working overtime at it and she lost the election.

  • Typewriterstreaming

    It’s just sickening and thank you for sharing this because this is the exact same kind of crap I heard screamed day after day after day in my office. Low life screaming that Palin was a “dummy”. I will forever ban Katie Couric from my house. Her highly edited interview, then pounded on by the MSM ala Jeremiah Wright’s greates hits, killed Palin off in many a low information voter’s mind. Sickeing. I realize there was more than Katie but that is the item most frequently parroted as proof of her stupidity.And the MSM doesn’t seem to be letting up yet. Slobs. The lot of ‘em. Total slobs. I totally understand loosing sleep over it. I did. It’s absolutely gauling.

    • http://medusa2.wordpress.com medusa

      I’m so angry at how the so-called “Liberals” are STILL trashing Palin that I’m speechless; and the women are most shocking to me.

      It’s unbelievable and makes me wish I could vote three of four more times for McCain/Palin.

    • Ashy1

      “I will forever ban Katie Couric from my house.”

      I agree. For the rest of my days whenever I hear the term “pig with lipstick,” the names Katie Couric and Andrea Mitchell will immediately come to mind. Before this, I was under the impression that they had some class. Then, I watched as Andrea Mitchell, dressed in a black leather jacket that looked just like “butta,” reported on the Sara Palin wardrobe “scandal” and wondered what importance this story could possibly have in the grand scheme of things. I am grateful to them, however, for demonstrating to me just how irrelevant they are as journalists. I’m beginning to find that there really are many other things I could be doing on my Sunday mornings.

    • lark

      A governor of a State, the largest territorial State in the nation and pumping breast milk to provide her child with the best possible situation.

      A governor that pumps.

      To me, that relationship, only that relationship maker her twenty times better than Hillary, not intellectually maybe, but better.

      To me, that relationship makes her the very top any woman can aspire.

      And if she had made VP and pumping, then to me she would have reached a level of accomplishment that no woman in our country or in the world would have achieved.

      But just being a governor and to pump it makes like to me something that I have to ponder, how can anyone top that. But that’s to me. I am strange that way. I consider pumping the ultimate devotion and the ultimate management experience.

  • jake

    Simply because Governor Palin is a woman, it’s easy to call her a dummy?

    It’s easy to call her a dummy because she’s a FUCKIN’ MORON.

    • AngryWhitePerson

      Apparently, so are you. And if someone was to say to my face that Palin is a dummy, I would be unafraid to make the same reply.

      Thanks for screwing over America because of your personal hangups.

    • ophelia

      And your IQ is in the low double digits I presume???

    • barry bums a ciggie

      I’ll bet Jake, you say that to all the women. Date much?

      • Pennsylvania Red

        I’m really looking forward to Jake’s debating a senior senator of the opposition before an audience of millions.

        I’m sure Jake will knock it out of the park and really embarass Governor Palin. After all she didn’t perform too well in her debate with Biden.

        /sarcasm off.

      • Rob G in Chicago

        Jake doesn’t say that to his dates because he is all out of breath from inflating his dates.

        • Xkrat

          Actually Jake dates has date tonite with someone he’s attached to: His left hand.

        • Xkrat

          Actually, Jake has a date with someone he’s very attached to……..his left hand.

    • goldengrahme

      Oh, my, and Obama is what? A well-rounded, narcissist whose sole claim to fame is running for politics as a horse of a different color?

      You know Jake, it’s probably Sarah’s raging hormones that put you off. You know what puts me off?–your raging sexist dismissal of a woman who could probably take you with her frontal lobe tied behind her back!

      • Indyvoter

        Jake believes whatever the Obots tell him to believe.

        In Obot land that makes him “smart.”

    • http://firefox AnnieCollier

      Yes, bot. You’re smarter than we are and you’re a really, really nice person for voting for a black man.
      So keep patting yourself on the back for voting for an unqualified man who stole an election through fraud and dishonored Martin Luther King.

    • La Compania Volante

      Comment by jake | 2008-11-10 15:56:26

      It’s easy to call her a dummy because she’s a FUCKIN’ MORON.

      You demonstrate such a lack of class, erudition, and command of the language in stating your opinion that we all stand in awe of your diminutive intellect. You’re quite fortunate that the net gives you such an anonymous, safe forum to exhibit your singular failing of wit. If you were to express bilge in person, you’d find it a less satisfying experience. Indeed, were you to express it in person to Gov. Palin, I have no doubt that she would and could deal with you directly and swiftly, either in discourse or in a physical contest.

      Oh, wait, I should probably state that in terms you would comprehend: Face it, bud—in person, with words or a well-placed boot, Sarah would kick your ignorant Obot butt.

    • http://~ jackie

      Unlike Barack Obama,

      Palin worked her way through school.
      Became a business owner and provided jobs in her community.
      Became a city council member–improved the town.
      Became the mayor and made the town appealing to business and expanded it.
      Became the head of the oil council and routed out corruption.
      Became the governor:
      ~orchestrated the oil pipeline deal that had lagged for 30 years
      ~balanced the state budget
      ~cut the travel costs for the state
      ~was recognized by film makers from over seas as a remarkable woman (when you didn’t even know her name)
      ~deployed soldiers to war
      ~deployed soldiers to help in time on natural disaster
      ~established the office of environment in Alaska (global warming office)
      ~established transparancy in Alaska government (put the state budget on line)
      ~called the state senator Steven to account before he was convicted

      oh yeah she is the mother of 5.

      Barack Obama has done nothing to compare except you were suckered into the belief that he was a talented man. Show me proof. He lied to win this and every other election. He can’t vote present anymore.

      Just remember: Joe Biden warned you.
      in less than 24 hours of the election
      Gaza is in flames and Russia is moving troops to threaten Poland. But yeah Obama is “the one”

      • GetReal

        Hmmm….I’m thinking his election to the office of President of the USA trumps all that stuff.

        I’m just sayin’

        • dem no more EVER NEVER

          thinking? are obots allowed to do that? hmmmm…? guess i was misinformed. oh well, if that’s you consider thinking then… i would say YOU are misinformed TROLL.

        • lark

          That’s because for you success is winning. But for others success is providing. Very different. Most people hail the winner but benefit from a provider.

        • Newly Independent

          I’m just sayin’

          You “just said” s—.

          Bush got to POTUS by lying, cheating and stealing. Just like Obama. They didn’t earn it. So neither one of those assholes “trumped” anybody who actually WORKED FOR and EARNED their success.

          So I wouldn’t brag about that if I were you.

          Just sayin’.

          • Dawnelle

            right on

    • Ashy1

      Jake, I’m guessing that if most of the media outlets decided to make you look like a f*cking moron, it wouldn’t be hard to do–in fact–they’d probably have you believing it as well. I’m convinced already.

    • Newly Independent

      It’s easy to call her a dummy because she’s a FUCKIN’ MORON.

      ……because she’s A WOMAN. Right?

      Ignorant, fat-head jackass.

    • Lucubrare

      Jake: Thank you for stating the obvious. (The language could perhaps be toned down a bit.) It’s amazing to me that there are still a number of people who have insulated themselves from reality and insist on pretending that Palin was even marginally qualified to be a heartbeat away from the highest office in the world, or that any equivalency of abilities exists between her and Sen. Clinton. It’s sad that hatred and reverse sexism have blinded them to what is a simple truth to anyone with eyes to see: Sarah Palin is not ready for prime time.

      • JiffyJML

        After all this time, I still find it incredulous that Obamafans want to go down the “experience and qualifications” road considering the top of their ticket had no executive experience whatsoever, and his resume doesn’t quite tell the story of him using his time on each job to piggy-back to the next one while getting nothing much done for his “employers,” i.e. the people of Illinois.

        In truth, you and I both know that Joe Biden was more qualified than Obama, John McCain was more qualified than Obama, Hillary Clinton was more qualified than Obama, and Sarah Palin was at LEAST AS qualified as Obama with the bonus of executive experience. Sarah Palin presides over an entire state, while Obama spent time hiding in a corner voting “present.”

        • Lucubrare

          Thankfully, it’s no longer necessary to endlessly refight this battle, since the election is finally over and the better candidate won. No response I could give you at this point is more satisfying than that. The fact that the American nation is a self-correcting mechanism is still very much a reality. :-D

          • Newly Independent

            ….the better candidate won.

            Nope.

            The least qualified, cheating and stealing candidate with a $650 miillion dollar mostly illegal campaign war chest won.

            The irony is that in the long term, the ignorant, stupid masses who voted for “anybody but Bush” Obama have – once again – screwed themselves over royally without Vaseline.

            At least I can smile about that. :-)

          • http://libland Audacity of Hype

            And you’re gonna send him your mortgage booklet and gas bill, huh?

      • Ashy1

        The only thing obvious about Jake’s comment is that he is intellectually challenged and easily lead. It amazes me that anyone could imagine that Obama is ready for prime time–The American Idol Show perhaps, but the world’s political stage–NO. What has happened is the “election” (and I use the term loosely) of a person who has remarkably few accomplishments that recommend him for the office of president, compared to Gov. Palin (who by the way, was NOT running for president). Obama had plenty of time to prepare himself for the spotlight. Palin, by contrast, had very little time. Despite this, Obama made many gaffes which were largely ignored by the media. Palin, on the other hand, was under the hostile microscope of the media from day one. Perhaps if she had had as much time to prepare, she might have done better. The media coverage that Obama received, the help of ACORN, and the mother-lode of untraceable campaign contributions, in my mind, make Obama’s presidency even more illegitimate than that of George Bush’s in 2000. And, now I see a familiar scene on T.V.–an under-qualified President-elect surrounded by “seasoned advisors”(again, I use the term loosely), who presumably are there to make us all feel warm and fuzzy and reassured about our neophyte President-elect even though many of us are still wondering who he is, where he came from, and just what it is that he has in mind for the direction of our county. Making the leap in thinking that running for president somehow makes one qualified to BE president indicates an inability to think critically. And, this is a very sad commentary on the American electorate.

    • Carol

      Fuck off asshole!

  • barry bums a ciggie

    Wake me in 4 years.

    I did for the last 8 years, will do so for another 4. Can’t wait to say bye bye to the snake oil salesman. As someone wrote, Voldebama.

  • he whose middle name must NOT be named

    i get a magazine — Women’s Adventure — and I belatedly found an article in the sept issue profiling Gov Palin…! This was written before she was selectd as VP, since it was still a glowing story! It talked about her athletic ability, hiking, and the money she poured into national and state parks — her environmentalism! It was great – and I swear you wouldn’t even know it was about the same mis-aligned person the media created just a short time later…

    I come from a liberal NE dem family; and nearly everyone bought that warped view of Palin. maybe that should not surprise me – since they also happily bought the faux caricature of obama. at least there is a consistency in their gullibility.

    • Pennsylvania Red

      at least there is a consistency in their gullibility.

      And lack of discernible brain activity.

  • ophelia

    The above comment was meant for Jake

    • AnninCA

      *whew*!

  • John D

    Obama is a fucking moron.

    Too bad, America will have another moron as president for 4 years. This election proves american are not racists, they are just stupid.

    • AnninCA

      I don’t go along with that. I think Sarah is right.

      People are rightfully and completely frustrated. They voted the “rascals” out.

      What’s weird this year?

      Who ARE the rascals?

    • Newly Independent

      This election proves american are not racists, they are just stupid.

      Yep. Just plain stupid.

      • Dawnelle

        easily swayed by the MSM

        sheeple

        various reasons but mostly just easy propaganda meat

  • Ellis

    If we’re lucky, Governor Palin will join with other feminists and help re-energize the women’s civil rights movement. Along with her obvious abilities to govern fairly and to fight against special interests, it’s clear she won’t be intimidated by the bullying of jake-offs.

  • The Robot

    How forcefully people advance opinions created for them by the media – they are so easily bamboozled, hoodwinked, you know, the ol’ okey-doke.

    • John D

      That’s why I like to watch the market so much, people stop drinking kool-aid when it comes to real money. The market doesn’t take BO’s bullshit.

      Asian markets advanced, European markets advanced, but US market is in the red.

    • Patience

      So true, especially for intellectually lazy people.

  • Lorelai

    Sadly, I’ve heard similar stuff about Palin for months. I live in Boston which, as you can imagine, is Obot-apolooza. I only know two Mccain supporters.

    Anyway, people are always trashing Palin as being stupid. They basically think that the Tina Fey skits are like reality.

    • AnninCA

      That’s my experience, too. I live in CA. A friend ripped me yesterday over this. She totally bought into how “stupid” Palin is.

      Palin’s interview today with the press really affirmed to me that I’m not bonkers. She’s as smart as any politician I hear talking these days.

      http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2008/11/10/palin-talks-about-the-prez-race/

      I do not think she’s brilliant, can turn around the entire Republican party or have drunk the palin kool-aid.

      Like Obama, she’s got a lot to learn.

      What I like about Sarah is that I think, think, she’s got that ability to set aside her own ego and learn.

      In my own experience, that’s the key. And that’s where some women have an advantage. We are handicapped in public arenas. We’re viewed as bitches if we fight. As weak if we don’t.

      But we DO have one advantage. Women are able to learn from experience more quickly than men, whose egos often trip them up.

      So we’ll see.

      • Patience

        I wholeheartedly agree with this.

        • Dawnelle

          me too!

    • gregoryp

      I wonder at what point in the next 4 years Fey and the other deluded women who torched Palin will regret their actions. I am a hard core liberal so I could never understand how Christians shucked their principles and backed Bush until the bitter end. Now, I see the same crap from our side and I still don’t get it. At what juncture did the people of this country actively start to ignore the cold hard facts of reality while embracing impossible and fictitious narratives? American’s don’t even try to pretend that they think for themselves anymore. They just do as they are told. Nevermind that some of these narratives, like the evil imperialist narrative, may be products of our enemies (Russia anyone?) attempting to undermine and destroy our country and its strength. Where does the money and the ideas come from? Critical thinking skills even among the highly educated appears to be dubious at best.

      • sayitisntso

        Russian ideas, our imagination? Just see my post upthread.

        • gregoryp

          I did and I agree. I think the cold war may be getting ramped up again at the very least. All our enemies are now emboldened. They probably would have been when Clinton was in office but they were to financially weak at the time. They have regrouped since then and are looking to reassert themselves. My problem isn’t really with the outside interference with our politics but with Americans readiness to buy crappy talking points. We are not an evil country and we have never been one, yet young people tell me this every day. Do I think we always get everything right. Heck no. Our government makes many, many mistakes as do we.

    • KathyNeocon

      I’d like to punch Tina Fey in the face. And here’s yet another benefit if McCain would have won the election, Tina said she was going to leave the planet. If only.

    • bystander

      Tina Fey lampooned Palin with her own words from the Couric interview – so they have a point.

  • FenelonSpoke

    LOL.Such people who thought Palin was a Dummy probably thought thought the MSM was the vehicle of unbiased and absolutely
    reputable journalism. Can anyone seriusly think that Palin thought African was one country and not a continent?!! Unfortunately, rumors against Palin even from unidentified sources are given credibility simply because they are negative towards Palin. It seems that people who uncrticially accept that Obama is “the one” and swallow the myth may in reality be the dummies.

    • George Smathers

      Palin gets a gold star for knowing that there are exactly fifty states in the union. Now, I recall someone who has been covered extensively in the news who flunked that question and answered that there are fifty seven states, but the MSM didn’t bother to rehash that factad infinitum.

      • KathyNeocon

        And didn’t a certain genius ominpotent President Elect say that the Great Lakes were in Oregon, or words to that effect?

        • imustprotest

          And he said that they dropped “A bomb” on Pearl Harbor.

      • Dawnelle

        besides at THIS POINT IN TIME

        I don’t give a rats patooey WHAT anyone KNOWS about AF – FRICK – AH!

        I want a PRESIDENT FOR the UNITED STATES

        NOT for any OTHER NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE (HA) with LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL (WHO?) ALL!!

        THAT WOULD BE ALL AMERICANS!
        Palin is REAL

        none of the others were/are/ever will be
        even mack sadly

        (but he had the best most deserving SHOT at it too bad he had an R after his name this year)

  • Rah-Rah

    My brother, an Obama supporter and anti-Palin person, was watching the news with me on Friday night. He has all along said how *dumb* Palin is.

    Well, on Friday night, she was being interviewed back in Alaska, and my brother turned to me and said…she’s not stupid at all. Why wasn’t she that person during the general election? I nearly came out of my seat. I told him that she WAS that person but the MSM did a butcher job on her interviews both on TV and in the printed press.

    He was dumbfounded. Honestly, there was nothing he could say so he just said: well, I voted on issues. That’s fine, I said, but you need to be aware of the hatchet job that was done to her.

    I think he FINALLY got it.

    • noproblama

      No offense to your brother. But he finally got it because it doesn’t matter anymore.

      He can now be clearheaded and truthful because there’s no more need for endless rationalization in support of the Eared One.

      • Dawnelle

        lolol @ eared one!

        HA! Alfred E.

    • mimi

      What’s funny about all the people like Jake and your brother calling Palin a ‘moron’ is this: what does that make them since they fell for the okey-doke, were bamboozled and hoodwinked?

      Hmmmmm?????????????

      • andySF

        I just talked to my friend who voted for McCain (small business owner that’s really nervous about the Obama tax plan). She said that Palin is stupid, and she followed all the interviews. I replied, “did you know that they edited her interview?” She wasn’t aware of that at all. I had a few other friends who were women that really like McCain feel the same way.

        I think the problem is that most people really don’t have the time to do extensive research. They do have work and family to care for. I think the fact that MSM had done everything in their power to make Palin look stupid is the reason.

        • bystander

          I read the unedited transcript – it was no better than the interview. If it had been, you can guarantee Palin would have been pushing it in her defence. She wasn’t.

    • bystander

      Palin is ok when she’s talking about things she knows about – her misfortune is that she knew next to nothing about national issues and foreign policy, and her aides have admitted as much, saying there wasn’t enough time to bring her up to speed before facing the media. There’s no disconnect here – she’s fine on Alaskan stuff, horrible when out of her depth.

  • Northwest rain

    The sexism is just dripping — and it is sexism from other women.

    Palin is NOT dumb — she’s beautiful, but NOT dumb.

    One of her aides said that she had a photographic memory — and she knows what to do with the knowledge that she absorbs.

    She has good ‘ole common sense — and the ability to think on her feet.

    When I read the title of this article I thought it was BIDEN that was the dummy. Now that guy is dumb. He might have a law degree — but he isn’t a smart guy. Not really — he can parrot the right answers in order to pass a test — but he seems to be lacking in some higher order brain functioning skills.

    Biden does has the same skill as O-zero — he can lie and lie again with a straight face. In the debate he made a statement that was a lie — and then he said — let me repeat that — and he repeated the lie.

    He can talk with authority and sound like he knows what he’s talking about — but often he’s just blabbering his fool head off..

    On the other hand — Sarah has the ability to understand a complex subject and then she can explain it to others in words they understand. She can decode the academic blah blah.

    The most impressive thing about Palin is that she speaks articulately without a teleprompter.

    Seems like the trolls are out in force –

    No woman is a moron who has held the positions she has and managed to get through the sexist mine field to the Governor’s chair.

    Anyone who calls her a moron or dummy is lacking so many brain cells that I’d call them sub-humanoids.

    I believe there is also hatred for the people of the Northwest — because SARAH is one of us — she talks like us.

    It’s the f***ing stupid Californians who have invaded Washington who voted for the REAL dummy/moron pair — Obiden.

    Xenophobic, moronic, sexist fools are the ones who voted Obiden.

    • Newly Independent

      The sexism is just dripping — and it is sexism from other women.

      Palin is NOT dumb — she’s beautiful, but NOT dumb.

      (*sarcasm*)

      Oh, didn’t you get the memo?

      Women can’t be both beautiful AND intelligent.

      She can only can have ONE of those characteristics. She can’t possibly have both.

      So if you’re a hideous or average-looking woman, you MUST have brains.

      And if you’re an attractive or exceptionally attractive woman, you can ONLY be a model or actress or prostitute. You know, a profession that doesn’t require as many brains.

      • KathyNeocon

        Oh, didn’t you get the memo?

        Women can’t be both beautiful AND intelligent.

        Unfortunately I did get it at a very young age. If Palin were ugly, we wouldn’t have heard all the rigmarole from the MSM that she was dumb, they would have simply made fun of her for being ugly (like they did Janet Reno). Since she’s beautiful, they declared her stupid. All of it is sexism and it’s despicable.

    • KathyNeocon

      It’s the f***ing stupid Californians who have invaded Washington who voted for the REAL dummy/moron pair — Obiden.

      Sure Cali is loaded with whack jobs (self excluded of course ;) ), but what about New York and the rest of the Northeasterners who voted for O-Full-of-Himself in droves. If you’re going to point fingers at the map, better go to coast to coast. And don’t forget Hawaii, they love Obama out there. The jasmine and plumeria have dulled their senses.

  • anotherone

    The problem was her answers in the Katie Couric interview. Her “Russia” responses were widely ridiculed and Tina Fey used one of her responses verbatim in her take off. Tina Fey and SNL used Palin’s words unaltered to turn her into a joke.

    • Lorelai

      Agreed.

      Looking back, that was a turning point in the race. After the Couric interviews, and SNL skit, were replayed over and over, I think she was caricatured and it was really hard to change that image of her. I remember watching the VP debate with my sisters. They loved everything Biden said and hated everything Palin said. And I was so dissappointed by it. Anyway, that debate had HUGE ratings, so I thought Mccain would a bump out of it, but I realized that it was too late. People had already made up their minds about her because of the Couric/SNL stuff, and she really couldn’t do anything about it.

      • Pennsylvania Red

        And her appearances continued to draw tens of thousands of people, many more than if McCain had appeared alone.

        IF she does have Presidential aspirations, this run for the Veep spot was a great initiation into the blood sport that is a presidential race. She’ll also have four years to add to her resume and refine and tweak her performance when confronted with a hostile press.

        We’ll see,no one here can prognosticate, this election went 180 degrees contrary to what ANYONE expected even two years ago, let alone four.
        One thing for certain, Palin has a bright future ahead of her, somehow, some way we will see her back on the national scene.

      • bystander

        Nobody seemed to realise why she got huge ratings – people were tuning in to laugh at her. Every Obama supporter I know watched – they were not disappointed.

        • AnninCA

          I think you’re right about that. There’s an excellent article today, too, on the aftermath of the cruelty with the left.

          I’d hate to be in theier shoes, thinking about my “real” attitudes towards people.

          I watched Obama make gaffes, blow interviews, stomp out when asked hard questions.

          It’s bull to think that he didn’t also have a learning curve.

          So fair-minded on the part of those laughing lefties?

          Not in the least. Pure sexism.

          I would be curious to hear how they reconcile that.

    • Goblintrain

      I would like to point out that anybody’s exact words can be taken verbatim & used to attack them. Thats what happens when people talk. Shoot! Even God doesn’t get away without having his own words used against him! However, what we also happen to NOT see on the part of the media is the same fascination with Joe Biden’s Titanic blunders. I just don’t understand how any one can claim both intellectual honesty in this case AND that there is not a double standard here.

      • bystander

        That won’t wash – her answers were terrible. She didn’t misspeak – it was clear she didn’t know anything. Any other of the primary candidates from both parties would have breezed through the Gibson and Couric interviews – they were easy questions, not gotchas. In fact it became almost impossible to interview her after that, because any basic questions would appear as gotchas, they were reduced to talking in generalities so as not to embarrass her further.

    • Ellen D

      AS I remember, Palin said you can see Russia from part of Alaska which was twisted into “I can see Russia from my house”. CNN sent a camera crew up and damned if you couldn’t see Russia really quite close up across a narrow strait. On our side was a village. On the other side used to be a Russian village with relatives of the U.S, village until the Military took over their town and made it a Russian base. So now you’re not only looking at Russia but just beyond what you can see is a Russian Military base.
      Of course, because the press came up to do a “gotcha” on Palin, they concentrated on the fact that no Alaska governors had ever been to the village. Which meant absolutely nothing.

      • downWithMSM

        Yes. Russia is only ten miles across the water from Alaska!

      • Newly Independent

        Most dumbass Americans don’t even know geography. And probably couldn’t point to Russia or even Mexico on a map.

        Yet they are the ones that gleefully call Sarah Palin “dumb.”

    • mimi

      I now wonder whose idea it was for her to interview with Couric?

      She seemed uncomfortable talking to her. Maybe Palin didn’t want to do one with her. Maybe Couric doesn’t resonate with her. I know Couric never resonated with me. Remember the run-in Couric had with Ann Coulter, whom I loathe, btw?

      Ann is a Republican. It could very well mean that that interview didn’t go over very well with Palin and if she were forced by McCain’s campaign to do this, she didn’t put on her best face.

      I’ve always found Couric annoying, innocuous and vapid. And it was clear that she was out to nail Palin from the start.

      • bystander

        You cannot be VP of the most powerful country in the world, to an ancient President, if you are not up to facing an interview with Katie Couric. Come on, do you not see how many excuses you are making for her? How would those negotiations with Iran go?
        Couric was not out to nail her – in fact my 14 year old was able to answer most of the questions. Shouldn’t you demand a little more of your leaders?

        • AnninCA

          I watched the interviews. Both Gibson and Couric were incredibly disrespectful right from the start.

          It was an interview based on an assumption that she’s not ready, filled with very picyune questions to “spot” her weaknesses. That was obvious.

          Even Gibson’s sneering posture said it all.

          Nobody ever treated anyone running for public office in that way. They skewered her.

          The one thing I thought her team didn’t prepare her well enough on was how to simply say, “Well, that’s really the wrong question to be asking.”

          And switch the topic. By the debate, she had that down.

          Or use Hillary’s classic: “That’s for the voters to decide.”

          Now, that IS part of preparation, yes.

          But it’s not at all what you’re suggesting.

    • Winston

      There are three levels of deception here.

      1.) CBS sliced and diced the televised interview. No one read the full transcripts. No where does she say that being able to see Russia from Alaska constitutes foreign policy experience.

      2.) Tin Fey introduced the line “you can see Russia from my house.” Governor Plain never said this.

      3.) The media took what Fey said and the input for another round of distortions and reported on that as if Governor Palin had indeed said that verbatim.

      This was added to litany of lies about charging for rape kits and baning books.

      No one in the McCain camp could formulate a coherent response to get the truth out. Whoever negotiated the terms of the CBS and ABC interviews should be drawn and quartered.

  • IWishToRemainAnonymous

    The real story of this election is how very well marketing works on the American public.

    /lurk on

    • Pennsylvania Red

      SO TRUE

      The dupes don’t even know they were sold a president the same way that they are sold a bar of soap.

    • Newly Independent

      The real story of this election is how very well marketing works on the American public.

      ABSOLUTELY.

      This election was a interesting – yet sickening – look at the psyche of most Americans.

      To put it plainly, most Americans have herd mentality.

      Which just adds on another layer of hatred for the MSM and corporate America in general in my mind.

    • mimi

      “The real story of this election is how very well marketing works on the American public.”

      That and how many actual morons comprise the American public.

  • Tess

    At a funeral today, my cousin, a nun, called Palin “a floozie”. She didn’t say it to me, so I correected the person who told me. I have no idea whether my cousin knows what that is.
    How will we ever move out of this hateful savaging of strong women?
    Here’s a start: the Reclusive Leftist blog.

    PUMA still

    • Pennsylvania Red

      At a funeral today, my cousin, a nun, called Palin “a floozie”.

      You should have asked your cousin the nun if the Blessed Mother would be proud of her disrespecting a mother of five children who chose not to abort her Downs’ Syndrome child.

      For anyone afraid that Palin (or conservatives) could overturn Roe v. Wade, here’s your proof you don’t have to worry.

      If Catholic RELIGIOUS don’t even “get” the pro-life message, then nobody does. Catholics as a bloc routinely vote with the pro-choice presidential candidate, so there it is.

  • csam

    LOL. By the title of this piece, I honestly expected it to be about Biden. :)

    • http://www.johnmccain.com Michele (not the nasty one)

      That’s what I thought too!!!

  • nayak

    Simply because she is a woman it’s OK to call Palin a dummy? No! No! Simply because she is a dummy it’s OK to call Palin a dummy!!!

    Wow those early days when the obama-Biden team were sewing up FL/NC/VA/IN/VV/NM/CO and inching up in the polls – which is why their gross lead looked slender or even negative – the MSM was jumping into the KoolAid tank head over heels for SP. We remeber how Fred Barnes and Bill Kristol wrote those stupid little pieces about SP (having foisted this genius on us) and papering over her every incapability. Also somehow the MSM totally lost out on the story of her extravagant tastes in threads and the 1st Dud’s little desk inside the Governor’s office in AK, and her charging per diems to work out of home – budgetary control is only for the people not for divas!

    Credit the Obama-Biden campaign for completely ignoring SP and not saying one thing abot her except for calling her formidable.

    • AnninCA
      • bystander

        Reread nayak’s post – you completely missed the point.

    • Winston

      What are you talking about. Governor Palin was crawling around inside Acorn Obama’s tiny skull. Acorn Obama was freaking out about what a threat Governor Palin was to his chances. He got nasty with the Lipstick on a Pig comment.

      Obama focused all his attention for three weeks on Governor Palin instead of McCain. Acorn Obama forgot who he was running against. Acorn Obama got way off message. Governor Palin was messing with his mind. Acorn Obama hates women and Governor Palin is everything he is not.

      Ayers Obama is a man who has no legislative accomplishments and yet has written two memoirs.

      Acorn Obama thinks more air in our tires is the same as drilling.

      Odinga Obama thinks they speak arabic in Afghanistan.

    • athena

      Ya mean when BO mentioned that she was the mayor of WA-SILLY? Yep, that is just how he said it. Go and look it up.

      BO is the master of petty degradation.

      • http://www.cafepress.com/pumapride John House

        I heard that too and my G-d, what an arrogant little prick Obama is for doing so.

        • bystander

          So what was Palin when she diminished community organizers?

          • AnninCA

            Perspective is all. I thought it was a clear Obama gaffe to diminish mayors of this country and elevate his silly community activism work, which is frankly no more than a big fat government-backed soft job for minorities.

    • AnninCA

      What’s incredible to me is how easily you can call a standing governor a dummy.

      What sheer arrogance.

  • EightBelles

    I was on the receiving end of highly educated individuals making comments to me about Palin being a nut-case, even a lunatic. A family member said she hated that Palin shoots wolves from an airplane. Is this even true? I reached a point where for every Palin negative I would offer up a positive. No surprise that men (at least the ones I know) were less apt to slam Palin than members of her own tribe.

    Speaking of women whose allegiance to certain men defies all reason, can you get over how both Geraldine Ferraro and Kirsten Powers have suddenly adopted the supreme mission of exonerating Barack Obama for literally anything he does or doesn’t do? I give Powers credit for at least coming to the defense of a fellow Alaskan, Gov Sarah Palin, when the elite MSM viciously attacked Gov Palin. Likewise Ferraro did go to bat for Sen Hillary Clinton. Ferraro seems to have a Joe Biden Jones. Once Biden bacame Obama’s choice for VP, Ferraro almost over night became addicted to Kool-aid. Wonder if Ferraro or Powers will speak out when one by one Mr. Obama chooses mediocre men such as Joe Biden to fill his cabinet while impressive women such as Hillary Clinton are put on ignore? We shall see.

    • Mandelay

      They all sounded like the pods from Invasion of the Body Snatchers (the original and still the best). They opened their mouths to speak and out came “Obamaspeak.” Where did their original voices go? Remember Bill Clinton saying he’d tell the real story after the New Year? Let’s see if anyone else remembers and remembers to ask him what he meant.

    • downWithMSM

      A family member said she hated that Palin shoots wolves from an airplane. Is this even true?

      Yes it’s true but it is done in many western states to control the population so other wildlife will not be endangered. It’s a method of population control..Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Oregon, Utah and Washington have the same practices. Sarah is the only Gov doing it prolly to save dollars. Usually the Forestry does it from helicopters. Sometimes they try to relocate the animal but if the population is too large and endangering other wildlife to extinction they will shoot them from the air.
      Easterners do not have this issue. They are about extinct in the east.

      • salliort

        Comment by downWithMSM | 2008-11-10 16:49:42

        Shooting Wolves
        Yes it’s true but it is done in many western states to control the population so other wildlife will not be endangered. It’s a method of population control..Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Oregon, Utah and Washington have the same practices. Sarah is the only Gov doing it prolly to save dollars. Usually the Forestry does it from helicopters. Sometimes they try to relocate the animal but if the population is too large and endangering other wildlife to extinction they will shoot them from the air.
        Easterners do not have this issue.

        The interesting thing is that Montana killed more wolves per ratio than Alaska did in 2007.

        I guess that’s the difference between a real frontier state and a rancher controlled state.

  • downWithMSM

    test

  • downWithMSM

    List of Sarah accomplishments & resume. (I hand typed everything-no cut & paste)
    11th Governor of Alaska 2006 to present.
    Chairperson of Alaska Oil & Gas Conservation Commission. 2003-2004
    Mayor of Wassilla Alaska 1996-2002
    Member of Wasilla City Council seat. 1992-1996
    Didn’t do a second term because she ran for Mayor and won.
    TOTAL OF 17 YEARS serving the people in Government.
    She began when Barfy did but has a fatter resume…
    Nominated for Vice President 2008
    First women Alaskan Governor and youngest Governor.
    Highest approval rating ever for Alaskan Governor peaking at times up to 90%.
    Highest rating of any state in the current national approval ratings.
    Successfully uprooted corruption in the State Republican party.
    Successfully presided over an ethics bill.
    Vetoed wasteful spending.
    Sold states executive jet to save taxpayer dollars.
    Suspended Alaska’s fuel tax and gave the profits back to the citizens in the form of property tax relief. Property taxes are next to nothing now. (I should move there)
    Presides over state budget surplus.
    Presides over the Alaskan National guard.
    Negotiated energy policies with Canada to the tune of 40 billion for the Alaska Pipeline.
    She is:
    A sharp shooter markswomen.
    Drives a Harley Davidson.
    Owns and operates a small plane.
    Shoots hoops like a pro.
    Commercial fishing is a hobby and goes with Todd on his fishing runs.
    Degreed from Idaho U in Journalism and was a sportscaster for KUUTV in Anchorage.
    Ex-beauty Queen who used the winnings to put herself through college! She also won the ‘Miss Congeniality’ award.
    Mother of 5 georgeous and well mannered children.
    Belongs to a NON-Denominational Church.
    Has tons of real friends not just business friends like Barfy.
    Born in SunPoint Idaho on Feb 11, 1964..
    She is our future! Get used to it!
    She does not want to be in the Senate! She is not corrupt enough to fit in.
    Ancestry is German, English, and Irish..whoot!
    There is a whole lot more but too much to list. I want to alert everyone that she has strict penalties in place for oil spills-energy leaks and the bailout contained a slap in the face to her since it contained bail-out money for the Exxon-Valdez spill that they’ve yet to clean up in Alaska and Gov Palin is coming down on them for messing up Alaskan waters and not cleaning up. She is a strict environmentalist when it comes to pollution and believes in finding answers to global warming! There is lots more, but we missed out this time around. She’s no cupcake and she can control any situation withuot sweating.
    The person who called her dumb needs to show their resume. I bet they can’t come close to how smart and talented Sarah is.
    (Keys sticking bad so excuse any typo’s)

    • Mandelay

      Well done! Can’t wait for Greta’s interview tonight with Gov. Palin. I hope Palin continues to speak out. The U.S. became a wasteland for dissident voices during this election, thanks to our “press.” Palin makes Romney, Huckabee and the other Republican pillars look like they’re made of chalk. Only Palin has the capacity to expand the boundaries of what has passed for feminism this past year. As a lifelong Dem who voted for Mac and Sarah this year, I will be watching and listening to Palin in the years to come. I hope she takes every opportunity to add to her already impressive resume.

    • Dawnelle

      AWESOME!! Love this will C & P it for future use!

      thanks! Sarah and I share ancestry although I also have Scotch!

      love her bio

      the critics can’t keep dissing her with any credibility now!
      (although they probably still will)

    • Winston

      DID YOU KNOW?

      Question: What is America’s first line of missile interceptor defense that protects the entire United States?
      Answer: 49th Missile Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard.

      Question: What is the ONLY National Guard unit on permanent active duty?
      Answer: 49th Missile Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard

      Question: Who is the Commander in Chief of the 49th Missile Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard?
      Answer: Governor Sarah Palin, Alaska

      Question: What U.S. governor is routinely briefed on highly classified military issues, homeland security, and counter terrorism?
      Answer: Governor Sarah Palin, Alaska

      Question: What U.S. governor has a higher classified security rating than either Hillary or Barack of the Democrat Party?
      Answer: Governor Sarah Palin, Alaska

      According to the Washington Post, she first met with McCain in February, but nobody ever found out. This is a woman used to keeping secrets. She can be entrusted with our national security, because she already is.

      NOW YOU DO!

  • http://firefox AnnieCollier

    Floozie. Now that’s a new one. Did the Catholic church extract your cousin’s brain? Sarah is in alignment with Catholics on every issue I can think of…well except she hasn’t tried to legislate her beliefs. Maybe that’s the difference.

  • http://firefox AnnieCollier

    BTW, how does Cousin like “Father” Pfleger? The Catholic church should have removed him but evidently they like his views of women.

    • Pennsylvania Red

      He was reprimanded by his bishop and he was told to stop with political speechifying.

      The Church did not need any more embarassment insofar as the conduct of its clergy…need I say more. I watched that man’s babbling and the main thing I took away from it was that the entire tirade
      had nothing to do with the teachings of Christ.

  • downWithMSM

    A new non partisan group is starting for those who want to help take back their country. freedommarch dot org.
    Well over 50% of the Catholics voted for Mac.
    It was the Hispanic/Latino and Jewish vote that he lost..plus barfy’s ACORN cheaters.

  • HC

    I hear ya, my librofacist friends and family also try this BS “woulda been for McCain but for Palin”.

    Its pretty much a lie. Most of these folks were voting for Obama, period.

    I have a friend who constantly states that Palin “cannot speak in full sentences”. Such hogwash. I had the great pleasure of meeting the governor in person and if she is stupid she hides it very well.

    So heres a big F.U. to all the Obots and Facist Libs out there!

  • tarma

    The trashing of Palin is simply the flip-side of the Hillary Derangement Syndrome coin. Hillary was the cold,old “b**ch” in pantsuits. She couldn’t keep her man happy, and that unwomanly woman didn’t stick to baking cookies as first lady. Palin is the undereducated, bimbo beauty pageant contestent, who took too long to graduate college, and had too many kids. By the way, she can’t manage her family either, which is the reason that her unmarried 17 y/o daughter ended up pregnant. Women are damned if they do and damned if they don’t. Yoko Ono had it right when she said that “woman is the ni**er of the world.”

    • downWithMSM

      Right. They both lacked the required prerequisite-a penis. That’s all that it takes. Nothing more is needed. No experience or brains needed. Just a big mouth, a corrupt soul and a penis of any size!

      • Dawnelle

        nooooooo kiddin

      • Winston

        President-Select Obama is Phallus in Chief.

        Hail to the Phallus you scrotally challenges Obamanots.

        • bystander

          You’re projecting.

  • Sharon

    I cannot believe the women who called Sarah a dummy – members of my family and friends. As Madeline Albright said “There is a place in Hell reserved for women who do not help (support) other women.” I’m afraid women will pay dearly for generations to come for not standing up for Hillary and Sarah this election year. My grandmother marched for the women to vote. I am sure she is turning over in her grave. What a sad time for my young granddaughters. I know it will affect them and how they will be treated.

    • http://~ jackie

      I suspect your grandmother is on the spin cycle over this election cycle.

    • bystander

      Really? Most young people are ecstatic about the outcome of the election.

  • SJ

    Calling Sarah a dummy is just and excuse from some of these Hillary supporters they had no intention of ever voting for Palin in the first place, as soon as Hillary came with the sad story that we need to put Barack in the WH that was it, they all followed Hillary like lost sheep.

    To some they felt they were doing one last thing for Hillary, to some they voted for Obama out of pity for Hillary with the hope that she be given a huge cabinet post, some just did not want another woman to upstage Hillary.

    They can call Palin dumb, hillbilly or whatever they never planed to voted against Hillary and all they were doing was venting their feelings on blogs about Hillary’s lost but in the end they all voted party because Hillary asked them to.

    • downWithMSM

      They betrayed us and calling themselves puma is an abomination.

  • Dave G.

    Well, she’s not going to take an IQ test for us. And getting elected governor does not prove much one way or the other. Let’s go with one fact we do know which correlates well with IQ – education. She attended 5 schools to get a Bachelor’s in sports journalism.

    This site has a table has some ranges of IQ to “Typical Educability”.

    http://www.geocities.com/rnseitz/Definition_of_IQ.html

    89 to 100 – 8th-Grade to 1-2 years of College.
    100 to 111 – 12th-Grade to College Degree.
    111 to 120 – College to Master’s Level

    So, our objective estimate is what? 107? 108? O.K. not technically a “dummy”, not really below average or anything. Is that consistent with what else we know, like that she seems to have had no real interest in major national issues of the last few years, couldn’t name some publications she read, etc? Yes, I’d say it is consistent. Is that consistent with being elected the governor of a state with about 1/5th the population of Manhattan, given her clear charismatic attributes? Again, I’d say it is consistent.

    Should we seriously consider this person for president? Opinions can vary, but I’d say “no way”.

    BTW – for Obama -

    125 to 132 – Any Ph. D. at 3rd-Tier Schools
    132 to 137 – No limitations. Eminent professor, editor.

    Objectively, we’d have to say at least 135 or so. We have little more to go on, given that he left academia, but it is quite possibly much higher. He seems quite gifted at building organization, for example.

    Of course none of this tells us anything about what policies they favor, and we may disagree or agree with those, regardless of the person’s intellegence.

    • HC

      Your (not our) “objective” estimate is 107.

      Your “objective estimate” is based on Governor Palin not attending a school of your liking and not wanting to debate Katie Couric on newspapers and journalism. Very scientific!

      Good grief, not answering Katie’s question doesnt mean the governor cannot read. I would be very wary of Katie and the entire MSM if I were Palin. We had articles discussing the possibility that her child was her grandchild via incest in our local rag. I no longer read the papers, they are not worth the recycling hassle.

      I will remind you that Albert Einstein had a spotty record with classroom education. Is Palin an Einstein? No. Is Obama? No. Is that level of intellectual capacity required for the presidency? No.

      I am sick to death of this crap.

      At this point the Governor could be a documented MENSA member and you folks would still be yammering away about her being too dumb or inexperienced.

      Just come on out and say a penis is required to get your vote. At least that is honest.

      • Dave G.

        “Good grief, not answering Katie’s question doesn’t mean the governor cannot read.”

        No. It does not. But what does she read? An example – my wife probably falls in the 100-110 range. She got a B.S. in Home Economics. She is successful in real-estate, she was a retail manager at one point, is good at organizing events for community groups, etc. She mostly reads biographies, and local suburban papers, and has little interest in “big issues”.

        Sarah seems to have been great with “local” (Alaska) issues. She was charismatic and popular. But again, I don’t see anything inconsistent with an estimate of 108 or so.

        Granted it is little to go on, and could be incorrect, but given the small amount of information available, it seems like a good guess.

        • HC

          “Granted it is little to go on, and could be incorrect, but given the small amount of information available, it seems like a good guess.”

          Dave, do you even listen to yourself?

          Based on no real evidence or information (your words), you decide to make a blind guess and you call your wife moderately stupid at the same time.

          Go sleep in the dog house.

          I will tell you when you can come back inside and eat and sleep with the homo sapiens.

          • Dave G.

            It is quite possible to make a “best guess” in low information situations. Example – we have a sack of marbles of unknown color. Our task is to estimate the fraction which are red. 50% is the estimate that will minimize our average error. It is the “best guess” given that minimizing our error is our goal. If we draw one marble and find it is red, our best guess becomes 66.6%. These are low information estimates. They can easily be modified when more information becomes available. But they are objective best guesses, and that is all I claim to provide here.

            • HC

              Go wave your low information best guess around somewhere else. Most of us here are sick to death of opinion in the guise of fact.

              • Dave G.

                Statistical argument is neither mere opinion, nor is it fact. It is an inductive argument which at best yields probable conclusions. It can be completely objective however, in the sense that all people who apply statistics correctly to a given set of data will get the same answer. (They make all be wrong, but the answer is still objective).

                • andySF

                  Following your logic, all American would be stupid compare to Japanese and Chinese since the average IQ of them are 107-109, and American average IQ is 100.

                  Following your logic, my wife’s education level should be much lower than mine, since I have much higher IQ than she does. But the truth is she hold a master degree and I have less than a year of college education beyond high school.

                  Did it ever cross your mind that some people lack interest in school? Did it ever cross your mind that some people choose their education base on the career path that may make them happy? Did it ever cross your mind that some people can afford the cost of ivy school that currently stand at over 200k? Did it ever cross your mine that not everyone had the connection to get in one of those school with special treatment?

                  So, please pull your head out of your, uh, books and statistical BS, and step into the real world call EARTH.

                  • andySF

                    Typo, can’t afford.

                  • http://www.cafepress.com/pumapride John House

                    Shush, don’t pick on the special needs double-digit IQers like Dave…they don’t know any better!

                  • Dave G.

                    “Following your logic, my wife’s education level should be much lower than mine, since I have much higher IQ than she does. But the truth is she hold a master degree and I have less than a year of college education beyond high school.”

                    “Should be?” That’s not how I would put it. Rather, if one had to bet, one should bet that the higher IQ and higher education go together. If you do that enough times, you’ll make money. It your case we’d lose the bet, but that does not mean it was a foolish bet, given what we knew.

                    • andySF

                      I had a net worth of over 2 mil and done that with English as a second language (didn’t start until the age of 14) at the age of 35. How’s that correlate to your position on money?

                      Its foolish to assume one’s IQ base on the education level. Smart people skip school for many reasons. I think the phrase “B student work for C student, A student went back to school to teach” is worthy of mentioning.

                      For you to assume Obama’s IQ base on his education level without actually seeing his IQ level and his actual school work is total BS. Under the same equation, for you to assume Palin’s IQ base on her education level is also BS.

                      Many successful people were self learn. Take Lincoln and Edison for example. School is not the only place you can get your knowledge. A class room setting will do not more for you than if you read on a wide range of subject. It’s a place for people to claim a piece of paper to help them make money since some of them are unable to do without.

                      People who earn degree without common sense are worst than those uneducated because of their false sense of superiority. The education system that provide a strict set of information is the problem of American education today. People actually fully believed in everything they were tough without critical analysis.

                      Your equation of education and IQ therefor is flaw at best.

                    • Dave G.

                      “Assume” and “infer” are not the same thing. I am neither assuming anything about anyone’s IQ, nor am I claiming to know what anyone’s IQ is. Nor am I ever “equating” anything. I am claiming that one can make a probabalistic inference from one to the other. A remarkably simple and rather modest claim, which is undoubtably true.

      • bystander

        It’s pretty weird not to want to debate Couric on these issues – when your whole future depends on it, and the entire country is hanging on your every word. Can you think of a single good reason for not giving the information if you know it? Damned if I can.

        • AnninCA

          If I had seen a shred of ethical behavior out of either Gibson or Couric, you might have a debatable argument.

          Not once, in the 9 weeks, did I see any mainstream journalist actually discuss her real record, her accomplishments, and her wins.

          Let’s take the latest ridiculous story, that she didn’t know who was in NAFTA. As governor, she negotiates under NAFTA with Canada. Do you honestly expect thinking people to buy that smear and discount the facts?

          The reason she drew out huge crowds is because huge crowds of people saw the obvious. They didn’t buy the smear job. They were also offended by the sexist approach to her candidacy.

          Prove you’re fit to run? Excuse me? We watched as the top of the other ticket was never asked a single hard qustion, and if he was?

          Omigosh….here come the obamabots.

          It’s just too stupid for words.

    • SJ

      Getting elected governor does not prove much one way or the other, but the fact is that you go on how that person has governed.

      Has Palin brought Alaska into disrepute, has the economy failed, are the people that complaining maybe you should look at that first before you say she cant be President.

      On the other hand take a look at Obama’s district that he was in charge of, crime escalated, housing in the dumps, scandal and corruption all around yet he in your eyes will make a good President, fantastic. lol

      • Dave G.

        I never said Obama would make a fantastic president. Intelligence certainly does not hurt, but more than that is needed. Also, if the policies he wants to implement are ones you disagree with, it does not help if he is skillful at implementing them, at least in your book.

        Also, I don’t think a local state rep is “in charge of” a district.

        Some things I do think Obama has are a strong intellect, and clear ability to build organizations, and a clear ability to inspire people. Only history will tell if this makes for “success”, and will also depend on what we mean by success. I mean – he could be very successful in taking the country in the “wrong” direction.

      • downWithMSM

        And Barfy’s district has 10% sales tax. His Nuclear power plants leak into the river and he has NEVER done anything to help CLEAN UP THE leaks. It’s his job..and 30 of his tenants died in his Rezco buildings during a heat wave because the windows were painted shut or there is so much crime in the area that they didn’t dare oipen the windows to coll off.

        • Dave G.

          Interesting. I worked for Commonwealth Edison a number of years ago. I don’t recall any nuclear plants on the south side of Chicago. Also, nuclear plant leaks are serious matters that involve the feds, big fines, etc, and tend to make the news.

          One possibility – you or your source are making things up completely. But, giving you the benefit of the doubt – you are probably talking about some story or another related to coal fired plants, the details of which have escaped you.

    • downWithMSM

      89 to 100 – 8th-Grade to 1-2 years of College.
      100 to 111 – 12th-Grade to College Degree.
      111 to 120 – College to Master’s Level

      I have an IQ of 177 and it’s been that way even before I went to college.
      Polls are junk science!

      • Pennsylvania Red

        My ex’s IQ was 148. He chose to work as a personal trainer.

        There really is no demonstrable correlation between high IQ and stellar, impressive professions.

        • downWithMSM

          All it means is how fast or quick you can “think on your feet”

        • Dave G.

          Exact correspondence? No. Correlation? Most definitely! So, can we tell anything for sure by this kind of analysis? No. Can we make reasonable inferences? Yes.

          • HC

            You can make no reasonable inferences as you lack facts. You admit this yourself above, in the post where you call your own wife a dummy.

            “Granted it is little to go on, and could be incorrect, but given the small amount of information available, it seems like a good guess.” -Doghouse Dave

            Now you seem to have moved on to how smart Barack Obama is. Unfortunately Senator Obama refuses to produce academic transcripts – or much of anything else to document his life. He probably is “smart”, and so is Governor Palin.

            One of them lacks a penis, and is therefore underqualified in your eyes. The rest is just static.

            • Dawnelle

              my best buddy that joined the military on the buddy system with me was considered a “genius”

              she could barely tie her shoes and dropped out at less than 2 yrs on a general discharge

              my last 2BFs had even HIGHER IQs and BOTH of them are MOE RONS! One has a ZERO in social skills and the OTHER is as dumb as a box of rocks ALSO in the PERSON touch category!

              STUPID is as STUPID does!!!

              IQ means nothing if you can’t navigate People LIFE

              I blame MUCH of a person’s persona on their upbringing (you can be a genius or an evil genius right?)

              lol

    • http://~ jackie

      The numbers you have tosssed about are meaningless. Trust me, IQ tests should only be given by Psychologist or nurologists.

      Never underestimate a woman’s IQ based on her educational achievement. Mothers frequently choose the ultimate service to nation by raising children. It often side tracks us from school but it does not reflect on our native ability which is all that IQ represents.

      Palin went to so many school for financial reasons.

      Barack Obama’s only known writing that was not subjected to editing was his single article for the Harvard Law Review. According to Forensic Lingusts it was written at the 5th grade level.

      Your speculation assumes a level playing field.

      They had dramatically different paths. Obama is in public office to stroke his ego. In each office he has held he looked to the next office without fulfilling the promises he had made to get the seat in the first place. He has made no substantive difference in any of his offices.

      Palin had entered each office she has held because she felt a need to fix a problem and she

      did at each level

      .

      • Dave G.

        “Mothers frequently choose the ultimate service to nation by raising children. ”

        Which is a good point. Although Palin seems not to have put ambition on hold for family reasons.

        And financial constraits are another good point. Still, very exceptional students with limited means do tend to end up with scholarships.

        So, I’ll stick with my guess regarding Sarah.

        “According to Forensic Lingusts it was written at the 5th grade level.”

        Sounds rather implausable for a Harvard graduater. Any good sources for that claim?

        A for as what motivates Obama? His personality type is one of Keirsey’s rationals http://www.keirsey.com/ which means he tends to focus no long-term stargegic goals. What those goals are, we’ll all find out over the next 4-8 years…

        • Pennsylvania Red

          Although Palin seems not to have put ambition on hold for family reasons.

          Our nation was built, governed and managed by men who never put ambition on hold for family reasons.

          You are another example of the exquisitely pervasive and intractably ingrained misogyny that this election has revealed.

          • Dave G.

            I made no judgement one way or the other. You observed that many women had put professional ambitions on hold, I just observed that she apperently hadn’t.

      • Goblintrain

        BTW, do you remeber IQ being brought into the politics this hard before there was a woman present in the contest? How is it that IQ suddenly equals good people that we would trust to make decisions that effect the lives of our children, disabled, & elderly? I still don’t understand the logic of this argument. My IQ must not be high enough.

        • HC

          IQ is another word for penis, just like experience.

          Hillary and Sarah do not have enough experience. Hillary and Sarah do not have big enough IQs.

          It is quite fun to find the new penis synonyms these days.

          One thing I really like about Governor Palin is that she is a woman who is not just running on “women and children and family” issues. When I met her, she was talking about energy independence. It was very refreshing. Where is it written that females in politics have to focus on woman/child/family issues?

          • Dave G.

            Actually, Hillary is probably quite bright – Yale law school.

            And intellegence is probably not THE most important requirement for president, but it helps a lot.

            • HC

              Your “low information” ramblings have failed to convince me that Governor Palin is stupid. Your discussion smacks of a “not quite our type dear” mentality which is unattractive in 2008.

              Until you can get Senator Obama to cough up his transcripts and get Governor Palin to take an IQ test you are just talking to talk.

              Hillary has released her personal data. She is “bright enough”, to borrow a phrase from The One.

              That very high intelligence is an advantage to a president brings to mind Jimmy Carter. High IQ guy, not a good president. Being president requires a level of pragmatism and praticality that many highly intelligent people lack.

              And no, this doesnt mean I agree Palin is stupid. The topic of an optimal IQ/EQ balance for the president is worth discussion if it can be separated from this ridiculous “Palin is stupid, Obama is brilliant” mantra.

            • http://www.cafepress.com/pumapride John House

              Yeah, okay Bush went to Yale, too (but that’s not to say that Hillary ISN’T intelligent; you can tell that she is from what she’s written and how she talks about policy).

              You are a massive fail on these threads.

              • Dave G.

                Bush – O.K. so not all Yale graduates are bright, only most.

                • bystander

                  Actually – although I detest him – I do believe W is bright, but also fatally incurious and lazy.

            • AnninCA

              Unfortunately, many people mistake accent for intelligence.

              That’s usually a sign of a very mediocre thinker to jump to the conclusion that someone isn’t bright because they have an accent.

              Saw that equation repeatedly on pro-Obama blogs.

              It frankly embarassed me for them. There was virtually no shame in admitting that they really were that superficial.

              Obama didn’t even know the ins and outs of capital gains tax on the ABC debate. Why did he “flick” off that debate? Because Gibson inadvertedly made that obvious by asking one follow-up question.

              Contrast that with the Bush Doctrine question to Palin that everyone leaped on.

              You’re electing a guy on his great tax plan who really didn’t understand his own tax plan, and whose not very bright?

              *jeesh*

              THINK!

              Look at LD’s article today. What are the smart folks in economics saying the solution is?

              It’s John’s plan, of course.

              Whose the dummy?

        • Dave G.

          Dan Quayle?

      • McHope

        Explaining any of this to an Obama supporter is a waste of time.
        This particular Obot believes the level and type of college attended is paramount in determining a person’s IQ. If he possessed any real knowledge, he would know that IQ does not change based on college attendance.
        Furthermore, Obama supporters cannot accept that most individuals, even those with extremely high IQ’s, do not have the luxury of being able to afford tuition at Ivy League Schools, which again, holds no bearing on IQ level.
        BUT this ‘highly intelligent’ individual, who insults his own wife, is so smart he willingly believes the conflicting Obama narrative in which his mama is raising him on food stamps while sending him to expensive prep schools and Ivy League colleges.
        He never questions who, what, why or how Obama acquired that ‘supreme’ education, nor has he seen any documentation or evaluation to prove Obama’s superior grades or intellect.
        It seems all these so called intellects themselves are dumbfounded by ‘dialect’ and show no propensity to use their own intellect at all.

        • Dave G.

          “IQ does not change based on college attendance.”

          True, but unrelated to the argument. IQ is predictive of academic success. That is, if we give a bunch of 5th graders an IQ test, and come back 20 years later, we know which one’s we should bet did better and went further with their education. The reverse is also true. The higher you go in the academic pyramid, the higher the typical IQ of the individual. If we have a Harvard graduate and a high school drop-out we know who we should bet has the higher IQ. They are two different things, but they are unquestionably CORRELATED.

          • AnninCA

            Dave….those studies leave out women. We gals have the thing, called children.

            Those studies are flawed horribly.

            You really want the best indicator? Not IQ at all. (emotional maturity is HUGE)

            It’s actually math skills.

            Let’s note where Sarah shined in her life. On the science-oriented committee. She is, I think, a lot more wonky than people got to know in the campaign.

            Just a guess here on my part…

            • Dave G.

              If you sample only women then IQ and educational achievement are still correlated.

              Yes, there are certainly brilliant women who choose to stay home and have kids rather than continue with education. But that does not contradict the simple point here, which is merely that education and IQ are correlated.

              ====

              Math skills are important. Do we know what kind of math she needed on that committee? I don’t. I mean if you can add additional empirical information to the mix, that can always change the assessment.

              • AnninCA

                My point is pretty simple. Your logic is terribly flawed.

                You are assuming you can determine her intelligence by her pedigree in colleges attended.

                Nonsense.

                It’s an embarassing argument.

                On a strictly *shame on you* level?

                You remind me of this nitwit I went to grad school with who was so dysfunctional he couldn’t get out of grad school and told everyone constantly what his IQ test scores were.

                He actually bragged about being in MENSA. Can you picture it?

                The guy was a complete nutcase. His IQ was IT. That was his sole asset, and that’s nothing he did. That’s a gift of genetics.

                Lordy…..

                This business about Sarah’s IQ embarasses me for you because we are talking about someone who is now governor of a state.

                What do YOU do for a living, honey?

                Let’s talk about YOU.

                And do you have any real room to talk here about someone else’s achievements in life and how it’s not “good enough?”

                Amazing.

                I’ve seen this throughout my life. People who actually never really try much in life, never put themselves at risk, are THE most judgmental.

                Why? They love to sit on the sidelines and throw stones.

                • andySF

                  Amen!!!! And I am not even religious…

                • Dave G.

                  “Assume” and “infer” are not the same thing. I am neither assuming anything about anyone’s IQ, nor am I claiming to know what anyone’s IQ is. I am claiming that one can make a probabilistic inference from one to the other. A remarkably simple and rather modest claim, which is undoubtedly true.

                  On a related point – How about this interview today
                  http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/12/palin-in-obamas-administration/
                  where she twice talks about wanting to “progress this nation”. “Progress” is either a noun or a verb without an object. Maybe she meant “advance this nation”? Anyway she makes lots of incorrect word choices like that – not something you’d expect if she were super-bright.

                  I’m not sure why you are focusing on accomplishments here and apparently on her worth as a person. We can agree that one can be very accomplished and a wonderful person without being exceptionally bright.

                  The question is what to we want in a president. Putting partisan goals aside, I’d want a large range of abilities, only one of which was intelligence. Accomplishments are relevant to the extend that they indicate some underlying ability.

                  As for me – I’m quite happy with both my education and my achievements.

    • downWithMSM

      Barfy has no real record of accomplishment except cheating in elections and winning with it if you count that.
      Otherwise he is a big fat ZERO 0

    • salliort

      It’s not the IQ you have. It’s what you do with it.

      This year many people with high IQ’s voted like lemmings with no real thought for the results.

    • JiffyJML

      LOL, that IQ chart a) doesn’t account for people who get a leg up on higher education opportunities because of affirmative action or radical associates who write letters of recommendation to ivy league school officials (ahem); b) is inherently sexist because it doesn’t account for extremely intelligent women who may decide to take a break from, or leave altogether, academia just as they might take a break from, or leave altogether, their jobs to rear children; c) presupposes that IQ is fluid and progresses in the same individual from one year to the next, which I don’t believe is the case; and d) is classist for obvious reasons.

      • Dave G.

        “d) is classist for obvious reasons.”

        Well, yes. I guess I have a prejudice for smart people.

        “c) presupposes that IQ is fluid and progresses in the same individual from one year to the next”

        No, that is not the argument. The argument is that just like IQ is predictive of academic success, academic success is predictive of IQ. There is not a one-to-one relationship, but a CORRELATION.

    • sarahb

      The impression I got was that she wasn’t going to jump through Couric’s stoopid hoops, not that she doesn’t have any intellectual interests. Do you think Couric would have had the cheek to ask Obama or Biden what papers they read? How about Bill Clinton? It was an insulting question and Palin was right to dodge it.

      She’s said in other places that her favourite author is C.S. Lewis, a writer beloved of christian intellectuals.

      I think you’re being quite stupid to believe that you’re being objective. Don’t let that stop your sexism in calling a woman stupid though.

      • bystander

        If the questions were so stupid, why didn’t she brush them aside with an answer?

    • Winston

      You don’t seem to understand the semantical distinctions between

      **************************
      KNOWLEDGE AND INTELLIGENCE
      **************************

      IQ measures intelligence
      Education imparts knowledge.

      I make it a habit to ignore those who can’t detect glaring fallacies in their own arguments.

      Palin is an accomplished, high functioning autodydact

      • bystander

        It’s clearly her knowledge that is lacking – although a desire for knowledge correlates with a high IQ. She appears to have neither.

        • AnninCA

          Based on what information do you draw that nutty conclusion.

          You’re just being judgmental.

    • Winston

      He seems quite gifted at building organization, for example.

      You mean like Hilter and Al Capone.

      But Al Capone did it on his own. He wasn’t a product of africative action.

      As far as gifted he was given the presidency. That is a big gift.

  • downWithMSM

    A pemis is the required prerequisite to becoming POTUS. NOTHING more is needed.

    • anotherone

      “required prerequisite”

      That’s funny! :)

  • downWithMSM

    Sarah spent her first college term at Hawaii U and then finshed her degree at Idaho U…that’s all. Anything else is a lie.

    • HC

      Dave G has objective scientific evidence indicating that Idaho graduates have IQs in the 95-112 range.

      He has further evidence that transfer students have IQs 10-20% below other students at the same institution.

      Scientific studies show that the president must have an IQ of at least 130 (and a penis) or the nation suffers.

      He will be sharing these objective scientific facts with the NY Times and Washington Post. Look for full coverage on the front page, most likely above the fold.

      • downWithMSM

        More lies. Barfy’s IQ is about 55. It shows.

        • bystander

          Then more fool Hillary being outwitted by someone of such low intelligence.

      • Dave G.

        Statistics is not what most people associate with science. Statistics is about inference and inductive thinking, which yields only probable conclusions. Most people associate science with deductive “certain” thought. I’d argue they are wrong about that, of course. When we write down scientific laws they take deductive form. But how to we ultimately justify them? Induction is inevitably involved at some point.

        • gregoryp

          After reading all of your garbage talking points I have come to the conclusion that you are full of shit. You don’t know anything about IQ assessment and interpretation, science, education or anything else. Thinking people are smart based on the college they attended or the type of degree they have is pseudoscience. And yes, statistics are paramount to the scientfic method. It is called hypothesis testing and inferential statistics are the only way we can model a phenomenon and then generalize it. What you are doing is not statistics. It is not remotely scientific. It is not intelligent.

          • Dave G.

            “Thinking people are smart based on the college they attended or the type of degree they have is pseudoscience”.

            No, it is induction of inference. It would be a mistake to say “they must be smart” or to say “they must be dumb”. But our justified level of belief in them being smart should increase if we discover they completed a lot of education.

            “What you are doing is not statistics.”

            Look up “Bayesian statistics” it is exactly what I am doing. (BTW – if you can’t guess by the way I frame things I’m currently employed as a statistician).

            • andySF

              That’s why I ask you to pull your head out of your statistic and come to the real world we call Earth. Some people does equal book worm to smart, but reality said otherwise.

              • bystander

                Well that was very convincing.

            • AnninCA

              Of for crying out loud. I attended a 2nd tier college in the South and really thought that was indicative that I wasn’t bright. I bought into this nonsense.

              I applied and got into a top school in my field in the country and knocked my grad school outta the park.

              So much for the balone that I hadn’t gotten a good foundation.

              Grow up.

  • downWithMSM

    Lets’ not forget that Barfy graduated with a “D” from Harvard as was a story about it back In February that has since been scrubbed. Must be the reason he doesn’t allow his records to be shown.
    He graduated at the bottom of his class and it shows.
    He nearly flunked out but they felt bad for him and wanted to get rid of him. He was asking for too many special affirmative action passes.

    • bystander

      Not true as you well know.

  • Marti

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/10/martin-eisenstadt-non-exi_n_142785.html

    Mr. Eisenstadt, it appears that you are a figment of your imagination.

  • http://mybluecountry.googlepages.com/whattheobamademocratsaresayingposter Linda

    It seems the Democrats mocking of mindless following is actually what they wanted and became. It seems their minds are so weak, it’s the only way they see as activism and being involved, follow like mindless sheep what ever the leader says.

    They are the reason for our problems if they wish to accept no responsibility and pay attention. Like Parrots, repeating without knowing.

    I for one, however, don’t like propagating their false attacks with using their ridiculous ranting and prefer to give them as much time as they deserve. NONE.

  • NYSmike

    Obama’s “change” is looking awfully familiar what with his choices he’s made so far for some of his transition team and Rahm. Is his “change” taking us back to the 90′s when Bill was president and all things were pretty good?

  • Dawnelle

    he had me until he picked the dummy

    lmao I thought you meant JOE THE BIDEN!!! (the only real dummmmmmay)

    insinuating that about Sarah is just a ridiculous loony- leaf-eating moon-bat statement – imo (from your wife’s co-worker?) ack what hospital is this?

    NO one believes that who has truly bothered to follow any of this with any credibility. Only barackoolaid followers have turned OFF the WHOLE story. Again jmo.

  • ame

    The Democratic Party had me until they chose “the slightly creepy cult of personality”<—Evan Thomas – NewsWeek

  • butter

    I ran into this same phenomenon. I think it is “being envy.” Palin has the experience – more than any of the other three candidates – of being an executive. She set aside her personal values, insteading speaking to individual freedom. She has a strong sense of self-esteem and she sticks to the basic values that are important.

    I think she represented a threat beyond being a politician. She represented a threat to a small-minded, status-oriented smugness that is essentially empty of content.

    The people who said she was a dummy or inexperienced are, I’ve decided, impervious to thought.

    One of them was someone that I do business with and I’m sure she is going to be surprised when I take my business elsewhere. But, I got it. Someone who is that thoughtless couldn’t possibly see something coming down the road that I as her customer should know about. Actions have consequences.

    • Goblintrain

      Where are we at as a nation when rather than congratulating a fellow citizen for their success, we fault them on these levels. According to the American dream, we would reward them, wouldn’t we? This woman comes from ordinary beginnings, believes in herself & what her family taught her, happens to “earn” (& i say that for emphasis) a loving family, a family business, political offices starting from the bottom up. Isn’t this quite similar to what every American wants to have the option to do, whether they actually choose to go that direction or not? That kind of freedom? You don’t have to agree with her on every political point, who have we ever? But what i see here is an American citizen who will respect you & your loved ones in her decision making processes because she knows & demonstrates her understanding of those values.

      When here in America did we start becoming lesser citizens simply because we respected character qualities of a leader as well as educational capacity? Look, i don’t think i’m presenting anything unfamiliar here, it is what i hope every visitor here was able to grow up with. Butt in this case there is that “bamm!!!” hammer on the head, “learn to respect your proper place, woman!”

      i think the VP candidacy of Governor Palin has brought out something that is going to be an ongoing discussion in America. Women in politics will have to be treated with appropriate respect, regardless of party or affiliation. I think that now since the Republicans have also felt this amazing, brazen sexism, public perception will be permanently shifted in favor of equal treatment. It may take a little longer to soak into the opposition, but it is certainly coming. Step out of the way, or get run over by the train!

  • Sam

    Well the good news is that Obama’s favorable ratings are only around 56%. It won’t take long before he is under 50% and then it’s all downhill from there. He will never, ever get the 44% who see through the hype now.

    • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

      Unfortunately, I just heard on the radio that Gallup says Obama’s favorability is at 68%!!! Which I think it impossible! But then the announcer went on to say it was the highest ever for a president post-election.

      More propaganda, I think…

      • HC

        Soon Gallup will announce an amazing 101% favorability rating. He isn’t The One for nothing.

      • Goblintrain

        my question would be, if it was really 68%, why was it so hard for him to close the election when so much was already in his favor as opposed to Srnator McCain?

        • Goblintrain

          “Senator”

      • downWithMSM

        Of course it’s a lie. We are in the obot universe now where truth is fiction.

      • Indyvoter

        Yeah, and Gallup said he’d win by 10. Gallup, bought and paid for by the millions, along with the rest of the MSM.

        And they sold the war in Iraq and Bush! What a group! Phony as their sales pitches.

      • AnninCA

        What was interesting to me? McCain’s favorability rating was only 4 points lower.

        Overall, I think that means, the public liked this contest.

        I personally saw it as more of a compliment to McCain. He was hard-hitting, but it didn’t roll around in the muck.

        That is a compliment.

  • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

    Anytime we hear someone know smearing Sarah Palin, we need to speak out and explain to them that such derision is not only unwarranted, but unacceptable.

    If enough people speak out, people will shut up about her.

  • skinny malinky

    How is it sexist to call a woman who doesn’t seem intelligent a dummy? People have been calling Bush a dummy forever; does that mean they’re prejudiced against men? You can disagree with what she says, but I don’t see how it’s automatically sexist.

    • LogicallySpeaking

      Because she is not a dummy.

      • skinny malinky

        Which is your opinion; obviously this woman disagrees, and watching that Katie Couric interview, you can see where she got that idea. But I’m not asking whether she’s intelligent or not; I have no idea and “intelligence” is a vague term anyway. I’m asking why saying she’s a dummy is sexist. She didn’t call her a dumb bitch. Can’t someone think negatively about a woman for reasons other than gender? There are lots of women I think are stupid, and lots of women I think are intelligent. Surely some women are dumb, right>

        • LogicallySpeaking

          Well then so is Obama. I mean really he thinks we have 57 states.

    • AnninCA

      The issue for me? Calling someone “dumb” means that they are inherently flawed.

      I think it’s nonsense. She didn’t get to be governor by being stupid.

      Bush didn’t get to be president by being stupid.

      Obama didn’t get to be president by being stupid.

      Now, that’s quite different from whether I agree with them ideologically.

      It’s a red-herring argument, in short.

  • LogicallySpeaking

    Simply because Governor Palin is a woman, it’s easy to call her a dummy?

    Unfortunately, yes.

  • Old 11B

    Dumb?

    Governor Palin must be bright. For God’s sake people, she was a journalism major!

    You know that story about her not knowing Africa was a continent was a fake. Any journalism major surely would have been able to list the seven continents, Africa included.

    In spite of her college education, I still like her!

    Old 11B

  • Judy L. NC

    One of us called it yesterday….”The year of the penis”.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    And how did she come to the conclusion that Palin is a dummy? Because Keith Olbermann, or some other koolaid drinking shill told her so?

  • Carol

    Palin isn’t disliked because she’s a woman. She may be unwelcome in politics because of it, but Clinton was able to overcome, not all, but an abundance of sexism, because of her experience. Clinton had accomplishments and history under her belt, something to evaluate her on.

    Palin is disliked because the is the same as Obama – no experience, no accomplishments. I think the difference between what the campaign presented her as, versus reality were hard to bite for those who also rejected Obama. She’s just a run of the mill politician with little experience. There is nothing unique about her at all.

    • KathyNeocon

      Bull. Palin has done a lot in Alaska, including cleaning up corruption up there in the wilderness. Obama voted present in the Senate, neglected areas of need in Chicago, participated in a criminal enterprise (ACORN), and did nothing academically but skate through on affirmative action. And yet he pretends like he’s the second coming of Abe Lincoln. Palin has never pretended to be anything but what she is, a great governor and a staunch conservative.

    • downWithMSM

      Palin is disliked because the is the same as Obama – no experience, no accomplishments

      Excuse me? Did you miss my post or are you stupid?

      FACTS:
      11th Governor of Alaska 2006 to present.
      Chairperson of Alaska Oil & Gas Conservation Commission. 2003-2004
      Mayor of Wassilla Alaska 1996-2002
      Member of Wasilla City Council seat. 1992-1996
      Didn’t do a second term because she ran for Mayor and won.
      TOTAL OF 17 YEARS serving the people in Government.
      She began when Barfy did but has a fatter resume…
      Nominated for Vice President 2008
      First women Alaskan Governor and youngest Governor.
      Highest approval rating ever for Alaskan Governor peaking at times up to 90%.
      Highest rating of any state in the current national approval ratings.
      Successfully uprooted corruption in the State Republican party.
      Successfully presided over an ethics bill.
      Vetoed wasteful spending.
      Sold states executive jet to save taxpayer dollars.
      Suspended Alaska’s fuel tax and gave the profits back to the citizens in the form of property tax relief. Property taxes are next to nothing now. (I should move there)
      Presides over state budget surplus.
      Presides over the Alaskan National guard.
      Negotiated energy policies with Canada to the tune of 40 billion for the Alaska Pipeline.
      She is:
      A sharp shooter markswomen.
      Drives a Harley Davidson.
      Owns and operates a small plane.
      Shoots hoops like a pro.
      Commercial fishing is a hobby and goes with Todd on his fishing runs.
      Degreed from Idaho U in Journalism and was a sportscaster for KUUTV in Anchorage.
      Ex-beauty Queen who used the winnings to put herself through college! She also won the ‘Miss Congeniality’ award.
      Mother of 5 georgeous and well mannered children.
      Belongs to a NON-Denominational Church.
      Has tons of real friends not just business friends like Barfy.
      Born in SunPoint Idaho on Feb 11, 1964..
      She is our future! Get used to it!
      She does not want to be in the Senate! She is not corrupt enough to fit in.
      Ancestry is German, English, and Irish..whoot!
      There is a whole lot more but too much to list. I want to alert everyone that she has strict penalties in place for oil spills-energy leaks and the bailout contained a slap in the face to her since it contained bail-out money for the Exxon-Valdez spill that they’ve yet to clean up in Alaska and Gov Palin is coming down on them for messing up Alaskan waters and not cleaning up. She is a strict environmentalist when it comes to pollution and believes in finding answers to global warming!

  • hootnannie

    Even if McCain had chosen Paris Hilton as his running mate, wouldn’t that team be better than one headed by a lying, misogynist associate of racists, terrorists, and Communists who is seemingly not even a native-born American. People have elected Bobo in the same way they would a prom king. Nothing, apparently, is expected of him. Just stand there and be black.

    • Indyvoter

      Well said. Now everyone, go think up stories and emphasize minutia to glorify him!

  • Hot Librarian

    Why would anybody phone someone up -whom they do not know eg the husband of a co-worker -to ask how they voted? Then to proceed to glorify their own decisions with a silly term as “dummy”.

    The writer of this thread ought to have put the phone down politely.

    I think this is a set up.

    • LogicallySpeaking

      I found it weird too.

  • jdona

    Heck man, at this point, I vote we give the country back to the Native Americans and let them run it. Lord knows they have more respect for the land and hopefully they would have more sense than to coronate Obama for anything above his paygrade. That would include being a pooper scooper, I think.

  • R2D2

    I have a Republican friend who also was not happy with Palin because she was not good enough to be VP. I asked him if he felt the same about Dan Quayle when he voted for H W Bush. He admitted that Quayle was not ready to be president, and that he never gave it a thought.

    It all boils down to misogyny. Sarah Palin was 100 times better than Dan, but he was a man.

    • bystander

      It all boils down to McCain being 72 years old and a cancer survivor. Nobody expected Quayle to have to take office.

  • downWithMSM

    Women have always been inherently smarter than men. What about Oprah? She only has a journalism degree and she is scheduled to be on Barfy’s cabinet in his next term (but he’ll never make it) and she has zippo experience!!!
    Most Obamacrats haven’t even finished school!!! What the F you griping about OBOTS?

  • Boo Zoo

    I admire Sarah Palin and voted for McCain/Palin and cried when they lost. Sarah is a very smart lady. But, “bless her heart”, she DID appear out of her element on the national stage. Her speech patterns ARE awkward. She is no intellectual. And MUST she use the airhead phrase, “I’m like…” The lady has such potential. I feel she can improve a lot in the next 4 years. She has to.

  • Barack Jone’s Koolaid

    I know quite a few people who refued to vote for mccain once he picked palin. The media did it’s job, it discredited her intelligence, just like they discredited the clintons race relations and legacy. They got what they wanted i just hope they are going to be happy with it. Over the past few days i’ve seen more than few people try to discredit obama’s Hitler-esq ways, but i’m hoping for it, cause i want him to turn on the same media that helped him win, to change there behavior. it’s more fun that way.