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Economic/Market Highlights 11/12

(Ed.: I just received a head’s up from LD that, although he’s the most gentlemanly and modest person one could ever work with, he urged me to publish this posthaste because, he wrote, “things are really getting dicey.” Hang on, place your hands over your tummies, and read EVERY word. If you need more background, click on LD’s author name, and you can read his articles — especially the two most recent which are critical reading, especially “The Wall St. Model is Broken … and Won’t Soon be Fixed!!.”)

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Markets trade down another 5% and close within spitting distance of October’s closing lows seen on Oct 10. I remain decidedly negative on the market and the economy despite every effort made by global governments. In fact, the pace of the economic slowdown is quickening. It’s all about delivering and liquidity.

We have much to address, so let’s get after it.

Retail….
1. Best Buy comments that they see a “seismic slowdown” in 4th quarter projected sales. Expect to see significant sales and price cuts on electronics going into the holiday season.

2. Survey of credit card holders indicates the following: 53% have more debt than they are comfortable handling. Of that group 73% indicate that they will likely spend less this holiday season….lots of regifting….

Economy
1. Julian Robertson, one of the most highly regarded money managers of the last 40 yrs, indicates that “we have not seen the capitulation in our economy and that the foreseeable future will be a long, tough period for the American people. He also offered that Nancy Pelosi wants to throw money down the toilet to save the automotive industry. (more on this later)

2. Moody’s ratings expects defaults on distressed debt situations to almost quadruple in the next year to north of 10%. This expected level of defaults is why high yield debt is trading near a 20% yield level. Lots of RISK! Companies will be severely challenged to refinance their debt.

3. Jamie Dimon, CEO of JP Morgan, indicates that the economic recession will be worse than the credit crisis.

Auto Situation
1. Pelosi, Frank, Obama and team clearly want to see a bailout for the automotive industry with GWB’s signature. The package being discussed is $25bln but with no specifics highlighted as of yet. Expect hearings next week in Washington on this issue. From the standpoint that Uncle Sam has already committed north of a trillion dollars to the financial system, a 25bln capital injection is a drop in the bucket but it goes a lot deeper than that. First off, the cash burn rate for the Big 3 at the anemic pace of auto sales is currently 5+bln per month, so 25bln gets us to next March. Big deal.

IMO, I would not give this industry $20 without an agreement to restructure. Very simply I would propose that these automotive corporations duplicate the business model of Toyota and Honda which have domestic plants throughout the South. Not trying to be punitive but a business is not a business unless it can sustain itself.

These companies including the UAW have no choice but to accede to the demand to restructure. If they do not want to accept that model, then ….they have no other choice. The idea that we would give them a taxpayer rescue package with equity warrants and restrictions on executive compensation is a joke, or as Julian Robertson said, “throwing money down the toilet”. The UAW will kick and scream and believe me I empathize but we live in a dynamic world in which markets change. As a nation we need to accept and understand that principle if we want to compete in the global marketplace. This restructuring should have occurred years ago!!

I will say as I listen to Mr. Frank discuss this situation, he does not inspire confidence.

Housing/Wall St.
1. Hank Paulson indicated today that Treasury will not look to use any of the 700bln authorized by Congress to buy up distressed mortgage assets but would in turn utilize money not already committed to bring liquidity into the consumer asset space.

What does this mean and how did the market take this news?
Wall St. banks and investment banks are pissed because they thought they would be able to sell distressed mortgage assets into Uncle Sam at elevated prices.

Paulson now knows that by buying distressed mortgage assets, much like by making direct capital injections into the banks, consumer credit will not flow. WHY?? As we have been saying here at NQ, the losses embedded in the banking system likely run upwards of 1 trillion over and above the 500bln already acknowledged. Thus, any capital that goes into the banks will be used to recapitalize not to be lent out. The market took Paulson’s message as an indication that future (already embedded) losses must be greater than initially thought and thus the market sold off hard today.

Paulson wants to target bringing liquidity into the Asset Backed Market, (remember the one where volume is down 75-80% year over year) so that credit for consumers loosens. I commend Hank for his herculean effort but I do not see this working unless the government set up a separate entity to issue loans. Will Uncle Sam run individual credit checks as well and effectively go into business vs the banks? Doubtful.

Speaking of credit crunch, I heard a statistic today that I find hard to believe but it came from a credible source. He shared that Bank of America wrote a total of 7 Jumbo mortgages in the entire country in the month of October. (Jumbos are greater than 415k) Is that possible??

2. Why does Paulson want to target the consumer credit space? He knows that that is the next shoe to drop in terms of losses by AMEX, Visa, Master Card, Capital One, et al…

He is hoping and praying that the Asset Backed Market can restart so that these companies and other credit companies can sell loans currently on their books. We tried to cover this in our other piece as to why investors are not willing to buy these loans.

Simply put, credit cards taken out by a large number of borrowers over the last three to four years using their house as a piggy bank and now in the face of a rapidly rising unemployment rate will have severe defaults. No bid for assets like that anywhere close to where they may want to sell them.

3. Transparency
I had an exchange with a reader as to why the government is not revealing which banks have been participating in certain specific programs launched over the last few months. I made the case that the government is trying to protect the participating banks and in turn the taxpayers by not revealing the names.

The reader responded as to why and how could he ever invest in a bank. That is a very good point, investing in banks now is a much higher risk proposition because one does not know just how deep losses are in individual banks. Who does know?? Hank Paulson knows and he does not want to reveal those figures because they would further spook the markets. We got a whiff of that today.

4. Citigroup is expected to lay off 25-30% of its capital markets staff next week. The depth of this cut is truly draconian and indicates that they do not view this market downturn as merely a normal recessionary move but rather a significant fundamental shift in the Wall St. model. You know it’s broken as we highlighted in our earlier piece. Citi’s cuts confirm this.

Global Governments
1. Russia allows the ruble to move outside a trading band. The ruble gets hit hard as do Russian equities.

Read more as to “Russia Weakens Ruble to Fight Drain on Cash Reserves.”

It was the devaluing of the Russian currency back in 1998 that sparked the global financial crisis back then.

2. Could the U.S. ever lose its implicit AAA rating? There is a better chance now than a few months ago given the enormous debt that we are accruing.

Read more, as to how the “US May Lose its AAA Rating.”

Commodities
1. Oil and copper had a one-day bounce on Monday after the Chinese stimulus package was announced but they have quickly reversed course and are back down to new lows for this move. Oil closed at $55.78. Commodities are pricing in a protracted economic slowdown. I still believe that hard assets will outperform when the economy stabilizes due to a global currency devaluation.

Government Bonds
1. In a flight to quality move, government bonds rallied and rates were lower by .10 (rates down, prices up)

2. Riskier bonds are more closely tracking the equity markets given the likely increase in defaults.

3. Hearing more and more rumblings about municipal defaults. Name I heard today was City of Philadelphia.

Companies
1. GE gets its debt guaranteed by FDIC insurance. GE much like other entities that rely on short term funding will be hard pressed going forward. They are completely dependent on Uncle Sam’s backstopping short term facilities. What happens when Uncle Sam does not show up for work one day??

2. Intel cuts its 4th quarter forecast across all divisions and all geographic areas. This put pressure on the market after the close.

3. Insurance companies along with the credit finance companies have been under increased pressure and it will likely continue. Various research reports have highlighted (I should say lowlighted) Hartford Financial , Protective Life, Principal Financial, and Prudential (check with your agents if you have policies with these outfits…)

Political
The constraints on the incoming administration get tighter each and every day. The markets want discipline. In fact, I firmly believe that the market is getting tired of more and more talk of bailout packages. These packages may bring a cushion but they prolong and exacerbate the situation over the long haul. Private capital does not want to invest alongside the government.

Stimulus Package
There is little doubt that we will receive a package either before or after inauguration. The standard package that we saw last Spring is nothing more than giving a shot of whiskey to a drunk. I read the ideas proposed by HRC. There is a lot to discuss on this topic. I am all for funding projects in which the government can contract with private industry for capital improvements and infrastructure. I am not supportive of creating more government bureaucracy to manage projects.

I will save another few ideas I have for a separate article.

GOOD NEWS!!

My 4th grader received a 30/31 on his recent Math test.

Boston Red Sox “freeze” ticket prices at 2008 levels.

Hedge funds on the “hot seat” today as a number of them go in front of Congress. I would like to see some Congressman have the courage to truly get after Soros for activities and influence of MoveON.org.

All the best.

LD

  • workingclass artist

    So I guess It’s Hang on While we fly by the seat of our pants!…All I know is I don’t see Barky as an FDR…Thanks for the article LD and congrats on the kids grades…Math is murder in 4th grade…

  • Pennsylvania Red

    3. Hearing more and more rumblings about municipal defaults. Name I heard today was City of Philadelphia.

    Ed Rendell used his tenure as the city’s mayor to restore the city’s bond rating. John Street spent the next eight years shooting it all to hell.

    Philadelphia is a typical big city swamp of patronage jobs and municipal unions forbidding the termination of dead wood employees. In fact there is evidence that some of this dead wood is handsomely rewarded:
    There was a story locally about an aide to Councilman Wilson Goode, a woman named LaTreece Bryant, pulling down a $90k a year job. Yes, that wasn’t a typo, it’s 9-0 as in NINETY. The local Fox TV crew staked her out and discovered that her arrivals and departures to her office did not match what they had recorded. What was her response? She publicly called out Fox TV in Philadelphia as being “racist”.

    This is what the city wage tax funds. Philadelphia also boasts a seven per cent sales tax, the rest of the state is six percent. This is why I now limit my time in the city, I refuse to subsidize gross incompetence, mismanagement, and outright fraud.

    I posted on another thread about how the cities want aid from 0′bannion. Well people, if federal money is going to Philadelphia, YOUR tax dollars will also go to grow the Philly municipal cancer.

  • Pennsylvania Red

    The local Fox TV crew staked her out and discovered that her arrivals and departures to her office did not match what they had recorded

    IOW she had falsified her timesheet.

  • Mandelay

    Amazing article. And something to read several times. Thank you again for your commitment to revealing “what lies beneath.” So, LD, do you know any Congressman with any courage?

  • wodiej

    Let the bastards go bankrupt. I drive a Honda Civic excellent well made car, reasonably priced and made in Southern Indiana, my home state. It is low on emissions, great on gas, tons of safety features including 6 airbags, fun to drive, and body style is aerodynamic to cut down on wind resistance and get better gas mileage. I looked at Pontiac G’s, same otions, 6-7 grand more. Why? Because these companies are G-R-E-E-D-Y. Employee wages and benefits are inflated, CEO’s make money out the wazoo and the Unions too. If automakers like Honda can make a car like this, and it is not a hybrid, why is GM still cranking out the GAS HOGS?? Fuck ‘em.

    Personally, I am watching every company and researching before I do business or purchase anything. If they are involved in any of this, they don’t get my business.

  • rollingthunder

    GE gets its debt guaranteed by FDIC insurance?
    We have been boycotting GE, the main supporter of MSM. Now the Gov bails them out? They will not bounce back until MSM starts reporting the news in a fair and balanced way.

  • rollingthunder

    Obama spent $5,300,000,000.00 That’s BILLION
    Obama received 65,340,608 votes
    That works out to $811.13 per vote

    McCain spent $ 84,000,000 Max allowed by public funding.
    McCain received 57,358,053 votes
    That works out to $0.14 per vote

    Ain’t this a great country? Who was it that said “America has the best politicians money can buy”?

  • John D

    “Obama spent $5,300,000,000.00 That’s BILLION”

    Is that what he spent for the General? or total (Primary + General)

  • workingclass artist

    I sympathize Penn…Check out the DISD sometime…Our city govt. has similar problems without Unions…chuckle…It will be interesting to see how things go with the large metropolis(s)seeking their share of the handout…I’m rolling my eyes here and shaking my head…
    I hope my kid gets to stay in College ( Philly ) as she still has a small but significant portion of tuition in a federal student loan…Our plan is for her to come back home over the summer and work her tail off so she can earn the diff and not rely on Federal Loans…I think she can earn 4800.00 in a summer…We shall see…Hope the school is able to keep up her scholarships too…(sigh)

  • tek

    Headline: Yahoo!: Democrats push for $25 mil from Congressional bailout bill to give to auto industry. That’s not what the public was told this money was for. It looks like another betrayal to me. Why bail this industry out AGAIN?

    OT: Anyone read the headline that liberals are compiling a Blacklist for people who supported the Gay Marriage ban in CA? I find that disgusting. It’s an old Left wing trick. They howl over McCarthyism, but find nothing wrong with blacklisting anyone they think isn’t on their political team. I don’t agree with the ban, although I do believe gays would be wiser to forget about the “marriage” tag and push for legal civil unions. Marriage has been a man and a woman for centuries. It’s like usurpation of the term. And what’s so great about Marriage anyway? one in two end in divorce. It’s the legal benefits that are really at stake and almost all politicians on both sides support legal civil unions. You want marriage, go to the clergyman of your choice and he’ll perform the ceremony.No civil license required for a strictly religious ceremony.

  • Deep Truths

    My formula for correcting the downward tailspin:

    1) By government decree, limit all personal credit card loans to 5%

    2) By decree have all non-essential credit card charges such as restaurants over 3 years.

    3) Bailout US automakers ONLY if they retool for natural gas and reduce autoworker pay to $20 dollars per hour.

    4) US Government should biy all toxic real estate loans, auction them out, and/or redo all mortgages with the contractors who built the homes and not the banks.

    5) Completely dismantle the corn for fuel program. Corn is corrosive and 30% of our corn to supply 3% of our fuel needs is ludicrous. The diversion of corn for fuel has resulted in higher food cost. We can eat corn, animals eat corn. No one eats oil and lives to tell about it.

    6) Overhaul healthcare that makes sense, is cost effective, and does not compromise health.

    My name is Deep Truths and I approved this message.

  • workingclass artist

    Hmmmm….I voted or McCain…Guess I’m a cheap date…lol…( Democrat in exile who is likely an independent forever now…)

  • Kbentleyis

    I’d like to read more regarding Hedge Funds. The more I read about America’s finances I become more afraid of tomorrow. Hopefully, someone with an ounce of brains will stop our government spending and borrowing. People better wake up and stop trying to make Christmas better than last. Everyone should be holding on to their money. If Americans live on a tight budget, so should our government.

    My 98 Olds only cost me $300.00 for repairs in May. Runs like a top. I don’t have one credit card and am so happy without them. (Secret: I can’t afford credit cards.)

  • http://budwhite.wordpress.com/ Bud White

    I thought Obama raised about 800 Million

  • Choo Choo Magoo

    Thanks LD – awesome post. Scary. Big time scary – but much needed info. I anxiously await future installments. It looks like reality is truly starting to sink in as to the the magnitude of this melt down (which we haven’t really even begun to see or feel). Regaining liquidity and consumer confidence is not going to save us because we are a debtor nation with a consumption based service economy. Consumerism is Over. We need a major overhaul’in. Forget short term cosmetics and feel goods. We need to get dead serious about long term investment in infrastructure and green technologies. Save the vital organs so we can rebuild a streamlined, green america.

  • jwrjr

    Pelosi, Frank, Obama, et al want to see an Automotive industry bailout with GWB’s signature. That rather sounds like they know such a bailout would be a disaster and they want to make sure that they can blame Bush for it and not Obama. (Gads, I can’t believe I am defending GWB. But I call it as I see it.)

  • Karma

    Thanks for your reports.

    The news doesn’t add the extras that you do….and congrats on the 4th grader’s math test. That is good news. :)

  • Betty Lou

    Wouldn’t the first step be, in helping to restore faith in the American economy, the appointment of a staff that can truly do the job, as opposed to these 90′s mirror-balls Obama’s people insist on bringing on?

    Wouldn’t the world business community feel more confident if they trusted the people administering the economic crisis?

    Personally, I like the way Krugman thinks, I think he speaks the truth, he has a strong intuitive sense as to what is wrong, and perhaps the best way to fix it, understanding the social is the economic.

    Same with Clinton, if she can TRULY stand up to her corporate donors.

    I can’ t help but feel some of those who financially supported Obama are now beginning to understand there is no more food in the federal corruption trough, for them, probably saying to themselves if they knew they were going to need a real president, they would have backed Clinton…

  • Galt’s Pizza Parlor

    Let them have their last bit of blame shifting. Soon, they will only have themselves to blame for propping up an unqualified president. Reminds me the Keystone Cops.

  • Galt’s Pizza Parlor

    an unqualified president (Obama)

  • Mandelay

    :-) That’s what was left after he returned those suspicious credit card contributions from Mickey Mouse, Osama bin Laden and all the other fraudulent names? Besides, how do you return a “bad” contribution to one Mickey Mouse?

  • http://dakiniland.wordpress.com Dakinikat

    There is a body already out there to handle the restructuring of the automobile industry. It’s called bankruptcy court.

    There is nothing inherent about this group of countries that calls for nationalization.

    They need to just have their debt and obligations reset … that is the purpose of a bankruptcy court.

    If we feel that too many folks’ jobs will be hurt by this, then we should put monies aside to RETRAIN them … not throw more money at a group of bad decisionmakers.

  • http://dakiniland.wordpress.com Dakinikat

    There is a body already out there to handle the restructuring of the automobile industry. It’s called bankruptcy court.

    There is nothing inherent about this group of companies that calls for nationalization.

    They need to just have their debt and obligations reset … that is the purpose of a bankruptcy court.

    If we feel that too many folks’ jobs will be hurt by this, then we should put monies aside to RETRAIN them … not throw more money at a group of bad decisionmakers.

  • oowawa

    All the best.

    LD

    Okay LD, now just what do you mean by that snide remark? You being sarcastic or something?

  • Betty Lou

    There is a body already out there to handle the restructuring of the automobile industry. It’s called bankruptcy court.

    There is nothing inherent about this group of companies that calls for nationalization

    ———-

    You’re right, I agree with you, and it’s creepy, isn’t it, the way they keep throwing money at these failed, bloated buffoons?

    Someone here, at NQ, wrote a post about the need of some who managed the economy to hide certain crimes, in fact this whole dance is, in effect, an attempt to hide the circumstances around the deregulation, who was behind it, and what was the final intent.

    And criminals simplifying trying to save their own skin, whether they’re congressional, or business, will NOT act in the better interests of the US, they ‘re desperately trying to pretend they can control the situation, when they can’t.

    They really need to get it together, or they flush the country, they already, have, really, that part is very real.

  • Mercedes

    I read some news item yesterday that Obama was not going to be at the G20 meeting hosted by George Bush in a few days and was not even sending an observer. Considering the picture painted here that seems strange to me. It suggests that nobody in his administration knows what they are doing OR that they know exactly what they will do after January 20th. And even though Obama is going to save the world, he doesn’t want anyone in the world to have any idea of what his plans are.

    I remember back in September when the dam started to break that Hillary referred to the financial mess as a “crisis of confidence”. While it is still that, it has clearly become much more than that.

    Can a recovery ever occur without regaining the confidence? Can Obama ever regain the world’s confidence without communicating? I don’t think so, Barack.

    Oh well, he can just do what he did during the primaries. Copy Hillary.

  • LD

    nope…where are the real statesman when you need them…?

  • LD

    not at all….i mean it sincerely…i know that times are hard but i am not that heartless…just trying to be kind

  • http://mybluecountry.googlepages.com/whattheobamademocratsaresayingposter Linda

    Obama is urging a 50 billion bailout!

    “Nov. 13 (Bloomberg) — President-elect Barack Obama is pushing Congress this year to approve as much as $50 billion to save cash-starved U.S. automakers and appoint a czar or board to oversee the companies, a move that would require President George W. Bush’s support, people familiar with the matter said.”
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=aBlCucXR33Jw

    So now we have to hope George W Bush is smarter and rejects the bail out.

    You know, O-shit has major payback for the auto makers early support up in Michigan and he aims to deliver. Don’t forget, he was promising them all that money before the crash…you know, to help pay for their Health Care that they pushed to defeat Hillary’s Health Care plan.

    ISN’T PAYBACK A BITCH…especially when it keeps being us taxpayers paying back for these dirty politicians like Barry dirty scheming.

    …whoda thought? What a pickle we’re in.

  • BJ

    Yep peeps in the media and so called “experts” just the last couple wks have been telling us things we hadn’t heard before- they are all saying it’s going to get much much worse than anyone can comprehend, before it gets better- which may be way way in the future.

    good job Bush!

    by the way, “change we can believe in” – well it looks like Obama may be keeping Sec of Defense on for the job for 2 years at least.. I wonder if that’s the “change” obamabots wanted and assumed they’d get… or will they just find a way to excuse it and defend him as they did when he voted with Bush on the illegal wire taps.

  • John D

    Actually Bush spoke today, and the market didn’t tank, and was up 150 since Bush spoke. Isn’t it scary that Bush inspire more confidence than Obama (market dropped 150 when Obama opened his mouth last Friday at his first presser)?

  • BJ

    long before the election was over, the financial experts said that the bailout (given to wall street) that the entire country is in a hissy over, was only the beginning.. they said this will be a trillion dollar bailout before it’s over (not just wallstreet but all the bailout $$ to fix the economy)-

    looks like it’s showing it’s ugly face already.

  • Galt’s Pizza Parlor

    or will they just find a way to excuse it and defend him as they did when he voted with Bush on the illegal wire taps.

    I think you answered your own question.

  • BJ

    yeh well 8)

  • http://mybluecountry.googlepages.com/whattheobamademocratsaresayingposter Linda

    and give a high 5 to your 4th grader. Too bad we can’t put the to work right away.

    …oh no, wait, WARY BARRY in his projecting like W did, everyone has to pay for their own sins, because WARY BARRY is the most secretive and closed candidate and PEO, soon to be Pres, he has required a 7 page intrusive application to work in his cabinet. As if he has still provided the american people proof he can be president. And in the requirements, he asks any pseudo names, blog names, or any family member piece of information they need to be made aware of in case of embarrassment for the One. That might nix your 4th graders app. :(

  • HARP

    Potential Obama cabinet in pdf.

    http://images.redstate.com/obamaflowchartrev.pdf

  • http://budwhite.wordpress.com/ Bud White

    LD, your reports are fascinating, though scary too. Please give us your most analogues economic comparison. Great Depression? 1974? 1982? 1991?

    Where do you see this going?

  • BJ

    How bad is the economy? I can add that when there’s a downturn here in Vegas, you know the economy is in trouble.

    Not only are casino’s laying people off, which is a HUGE deal because Vegas is a booming prosperous town, but this non-state-tax state, is thinking of implementing one.

    Vegas area has been the fastest booming community for about the last 15 yrs. There are an avg of 2500 ppl who move here per month. It was because of the jobs open here (desperate need for nurses and teachers here right now), and because there is no state tax.

    I always found the tax part humorous because it’s so damn expensive to live here and the sales tax is so high, that I don’t even notice the lack of a state tax. (It’s not as expensive as Calif but it’s higher than mid America).

    This is one of the top 2 worst areas hit by the housing market problem but they got what they deserved.. right around Bush’s 2nd term into ofc the prices here skyrocketd. $300,000 homes were suddenly over $500,000- apts were being turned into condo’s you could buy- a 1 or 2 bedrm crappy apt for $160,000 and above.. it was stupid, it was insane.

    I had been doing some reading, and accidentally came over the topic of the real estate issue long before it happened. It was such interesting reading I did more and more- this is 2 yrs before the meltdown- I warned a real estate associate of mine and told her that I had been reading some interesting articles online saying it’s going to explode and this country was facing a crisis- of course they politely laughed off the idea-

    It was obvious to me then, and I still believe firmly this all started, happen due to the attempt to get Bush re-elected.

    He’s a moron and this is the most corrupt admin I’ve seen in my life- they needed something to sell his sheep on to re-elect him and they used the “great economy” to get him re-elected. I believe firmly that this is when, and why the sleazy loan deals came into play so they could show on paper how great home sales were going in america- and we all know this is what the base the outlook of the economy on, the national home sales-

    I keep wondering where is the government and/or oversight committee to investigate when, how, who started this sudden run of sleazy deals to get ppl into houses they couldn’t afford and were too stupid to read their contracts?

    where the hell are the investigations on this?

    and again I offer up this wonderful article which looks at the dumbing down of america-

  • fiscalliberal

    LD – I understand that the China fiscal stimulus is 20% of their GDP and is focused on infrastructure, a lot in the quake zones.

    Question has been – where will they get the money. Answer has been – stop investing in US T bills and pull some back.

    Now we currently have a lot of cash sitting in the side lines investing in T bills. However when the economy picks up, that money will go to the market and the US will still have the debt. Then T bills have to go for more interest and the inflation cycle starts.

    LD – would be interested in your comments on the impact of the large federal debt

  • AF catfish

    Even our Republican governor was against the marriage ban (he was FOR marriage.) Get with the times you are living in the stone age.

  • http://mybluecountry.googlepages.com/whattheobamademocratsaresayingposter Linda

    See, I had a great idea.

    I wanted to make a business. It’s called The Middle Class Helping Hand. And I would ask every single Middle class person to sign on.

    Then I would ask Congress to give us a piece of the bail out. Being one of the largest interest to our countries economy, they could not survive without the Middle Class, we are what keeps this country and others going. Our ability to do so has been hampered severely by this government’s lack of responsbility and oversight. We need the bailout NOW, so we can disburse the funds thought out middle class, to keep our economy boing. You know, go right to the source.

    What do you all think?

  • Mandelay

    Your kindness is much appreciated, LD, as is the giving of your time to help us get up to speed on these very complex issues that are having a very deep effect on our lives. Thank you.

  • FrenchNail

    I am with you there!!! No credit cards for years, no mortgage and a 95 ford escort which runs fine and still look decent, especially when you see it in the light of no montly paiements due on it! Life is not grand but I sleep at night. And the pantry is full. In addition, I am rediscovering the joy of cooking and baking to keep my food costs low. America needs to get REAL. Just what that new NOW generation need. I big reality check.

  • http://mybluecountry.googlepages.com/whattheobamademocratsaresayingposter Linda

    And of course, we should only be thrilled that the government want to INVEST in US, the PEOPLE.

  • LD

    Honestly I am not enough of an economic historian to be able to differentiate amongst various periods.

    My background was trading so I can appreciate the power of leverage and the dynamics in the market.

    I personally think that we are going to be in a prolonged period of negative to very slow growth.

    The global nature of this problem is a double edged sword. It has helped our global economy grow but it also means that nobody is immune.

    I do think that the government has been able to provide a degree of cushion to the markets and the system but when and how do you get the government to ease its way back out.

    We have a lot of assets (securities and homes) that are owned above the market. That will cap the market for a long time.

    The moral hazard that has been violated will inhibit private capital from entering the market.

    The overall situation is so fluid that it is tough to say how bad it will be 6 months out but I see no reason to enter the market now. You are being paid to be patient.

    All that said, let’s say that this will be the worst recession we have had. Jury is out on whether this will approach Depression…

    just my opinion…

  • helenk

    Due to the disinformation networks continued attacks on women in politics I have suggusted a shopping boycott on the Thanksgiving Holiday weekend.
    That includes the Friday after Thanksgiving usually the biggest shopping day of the year.
    Maybe the ad money will go down and our displeasure will be made known at the disinformaion networks.
    It is an effective way to get their attention.

    WOMEN,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM, AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS, BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • Patience

    Thanks again LD. The market is rallying today seemingly because it hopes something good comes out of the global economic summit. Bush pointed out in his speech today that foreign governments impose more regulation than the US yet their economies are tanking too. Some observers are stating investors are grasping at any hope. Maybe it’s better if Obama keeps his mouth shut since his idea of hope is, so far, at odds with the market.

    Today’s NYT had a front page article (albeit below the fold) making the case for Chapter 11 instead of a bailout of GM. I have to think this means the editors are in agreement. If so, they’re eventually going to have to say something negative about Obama at last, since he’s pushing the bailout.

    I don’t believe for a minute that Americans’ sense of fairness favors politicians picking and choosing which businesses receive government help, or that government help should be ongoing. Obama, Reid and Pelosi will reward political patronage at their peril. The honeymoon may be a quickie if this keeps up.

    The thing that sickened and frightened me most about the election was the near-uniform media bias. Our democracy can’t survive if this persists, especially when we have a one-party government. If not the media, who will provide checks and balances?

    Sen. Mitch McConnell of KY has a huge responsibility in this environment. I hope he’s up for the job.

  • LD

    in short, I firmly believe that rates will be higher for that very reason and that we run the risk of serious currency devaluation in the process. If we see lessened willingness by foreigners to finance our debt rates can ratchet higher very very quickly. If we do not appreciate that we are missing perhaps the greatest long term risk.

    I have tried to address this point in prior posts. I would encourage you to review some of those.

    Happy to dicuss more if and when you’d like.

  • http://ahillarybmccainamericafirst.com/ Gerard McNedich

    SAN FRANCISCO — From Southern California to Maine, the foundering economy, high fuel prices and poor fishing have driven boat owners to abandon perhaps thousands of vessels on the waterfront, where they are beginning to break up and sink, leaking oil and other pollutants.

    Boats have long been a barometer of consumer confidence, disposable income and the overall state of the economy. Now, marina and harbor officials are reporting a sudden increase in the past year in the number of deserted pleasure boats and working vessels.

    In Antioch, a town about 45 miles east of San Francisco, harbormaster John Cruger-Hansen showed up at his marina one day last spring to find the horizon changed overnight. On the San Joaquin River, he saw an old crane, a rusted barge, a tugboat and an assortment of other junked boats, all of which had been hauled in and left illegally.

    “Boating is a pure luxury and one of the first things to go when the economy turns south,” said Cruger-Hansen, who expects to see more abandoned boats by year’s end. “If it comes to the point of putting food on the table or paying the boat slip fee, it’s the boat that goes.”

    Unlike cars, wooden and fiberglass boats have virtually no scrap value. So rather than pay the high cost of hauling their boats to the dump, people ditch them or sell them for as little as $1 to anyone who will take them. The boats often break up and go under, or pass into the underground economy of nighttime scuttlers_ who, for a fee, remove traceable identification numbers, strip out salvageable items and sink the vessels.

    “Oil, gasoline and sewage from these boat leaks into the aquatic environment,” said Sejal Choksi, program director at San Francisco Baykeeper, an environmental organization. Boat paint often contains chromium, lead, mercury and other toxic chemicals, and as a vessel deteriorates, the coating flakes off and settles on the sea floor or river bottom, where fish swallow it, Choksi said.

    Government officials and environmental groups are calling for more programs and funding to prevent and clean up the junkyard flotillas.

    But removing just one sunken sailboat can cost upwards of $12,000, and taking away larger commercial vessels is even more expensive.

    With nearly a million registered boats, California _ the second-largest boating state behind Florida _ spends about $500,000 each year removing deserted recreational boats. The state has no money to remove commercial boats, and unless they are leaking oil or blocking a navigation channel, the Coast Guard is not required to take them away.

    “At the state and federal level something needs to be done with these derelict commercial vessels. They just sit there, falling apart,” said Contra Costa County sheriff’s Sgt. Doug Powell, who patrols the mouth of the San Joaquin-Sacramento River Delta. Nearly 30 decaying tugboats, fishing boats, cranes and barges make up the aquatic junkyard in Powell’s county.

    High fuel prices and several disastrous years in the nation’s fishing industry have led fishermen to desert salmon boats in Washington state, crab boats in Maryland, trawlers in Oregon and lobster boats in Florida.

    In Georgia, Charles “Buck” Bennett, a natural-resources enforcement manager for the state, regularly finds wooden shrimp boats run aground and left to break apart in the Atlantic Ocean swells.

    “I’m not an economist, but when putting 500 gallons of fuel in a shrimp boat costs more than the boat is worth, that is a sad thing,” Bennett said.

    Bennett keeps a growing list of broken down boats slated for removal, currently 152 statewide. But with lean economic times and a declining shrimp industry, he guesses there are hundreds more hidden along the state’s shoreline and waterways.

    It’s not just barnacle-laden junkers that are being abandoned.

    In recent months, an increasing number of powerboat and sailboat owners have been failing to pay their slip fees, according to Randy Short, chief executive of Almar Management Inc., a company with 16 luxury marinas in California and Hawaii.

    When the payments are 40 days delinquent, the marina chains the boat to the dock. Recently, a boat owner in one of Short’s Southern California marinas disappeared, leaving behind a $200,000 boat and no contact information.

    “People get financially upside-down and ditch their boats,” Short said, “and you can just forget trying to sell a power boat right now. No one is buying.”

  • LD

    All valid adn salient points…tough to trade or invest in markets that are at the mercy of political posturing.

    We have an economy that is structurally broken. it needs to heal and it will but it will take private policy and capital, lower prices, and patience.

  • FrenchNail

    Yep! I know exactly what you’re talking about.

    I have been in real estate all my life and was in South West Florida during the Boom. I had several talks with associates, and was brushed over. The all Bush prosperity was based on Florida and then later California and Nevada, incredible economy. It really started to get insame just at the time Baby Bush moved in the State Capitol. That cannot be a coincidence. I am not saying that it is the only starting block, but it screems fuzzy maths.

    And for the usual culprits, let’s start with Rahm Emmanuel, who was on the board of Fannie Maie during the whole hands-in-the-cookie-jar period.

  • http://budwhite.wordpress.com/ Bud White

    thanks for the thoughtful answer

  • http://rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    That’s the thing, Deep Truths – the US Automakers already HAVE $25 BN available to “re-tool” as well as R&D. The additional amt they want is to pay their commitment to the union. As I understand it, they charged more per car (at least GM did) to cover those costs in the first place. So what the heck did they do with that money?? Why would they EVER change the way they do business if they are going to continually get bailed out by US? Simple answer – they won’t…

    Great post, LD!

  • Deep Truths

    “Fluid” is right. Dow closes up 552 points. ???

  • getfitnow

    Thanks again LD. This situation is dreadful, but having you here has really helped me

  • Snickers

    Yes, it is scary, and after all these years of Bush bashing, I’m finding myself feeling very nostalgic about the guy when I think who is going to replace him. I also read and heard that Obama was going to give the G20 summit a miss. Probably because he is so doggone smart he’ll save the economy and the world with one hand tied behind his back. Yeah, right.

  • http://mybluecountry.googlepages.com/whattheobamademocratsaresayingposter Linda

    WOOHOO! You gooo Governor Palin!

    Palin blasts bailout expansion before GOP governors

    MIAMI, Florida (CNN) — Former Republican vice presidential nominee Gov. Sarah Palin sharply questioned expanding the federal economic bailout plan Thursday during her first extended remarks since the end of the presidential campaign.

    Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin talks to reporters at the GOP governors’ group meeting Thursday in Miami, Florida.

    Addressing fellow GOP governors and party leaders at the Republican Governors Association convention in Miami, Florida, Palin criticized the growing list of industries and others seeking federal assistance.

    “We’re hearing now more talk of additional taxpayer bailouts … for companies, for corporations, perhaps even states now who may be standing in line with their hands out despite, perhaps, some poor management decisions on their part that helped tank our economy,” she said.

    Palin stressed the need for what she called greater economic “accountability and personal responsibility” while urging “conservative solutions to these economic challenges.”

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/13/palin.rga/index.html

  • Northwest rain

    Popular Mechanics had a list of non-hybrid super fuel efficient cars — of the list the Honda Civic is the only one still in production. The big auto companies have build cars like the Civic — but no longer.

    I also researched before our last vehicle purchase and we have a Honda Civic — it’s nice to see my research was right on the money!

    Our last GM/US made vehicle was a truck now over 20 years old. LEMON LEMON LEMON — it still runs because most of the truck is rebuilt. The engine block was the sloppiest mess — all the parts barely worked — so failure of the engine block was in less than 10 miles.

    I will never buy a US brand vehicle again — the Ford products were the same poor workmanship — no quality control.

    It isn’t the American worker who is lazy and building bad car — because many Japanese cars have been made in the USA for decades.

  • Northwest rain

    I’m thinking that the very best people do NOT want to be associated with Titanic Obama.

  • Chris

    Good idea provided us middle classers do our part to cut our spending and debt. We are part of the problem too and need to clean up our act fast.

  • jwrjr

    Never underestimate the Obamacrats’ ability to blame Bush for things that he had nothing to do with. (To be fair, the Repubs did the same thing with Clinton.)

  • Northwest rain

    Washington State — one of the boating centers of the US — and the west coast.

    I have never seen so many boats with “for sale” signs in the marinas around here! Never.

    Most of the powerboats rarely go out — sailboats are seen on the water in higher numbers.

    When people can’t or won’t pay the Marina fees — ownership of the boats reverts to the marina and then the boat is auctioned off.

    Most of the boats in the marinas are modest — used for fishing or vacationing in the San Juan Islands. However, there are numerous HUGE boats in Seattle marinas — mostly power boats — tied up at the end the long docks. The tourist industry catering to the boat owner is sure to suffer. It’s all the secondary businesses that will end up bankrupt.

    The snotty Democrats have been trying to forbid liveaboards (boat owners who would be homeless) — but the Dems in control are going to have to wake up — it is either allow boat owners who are on the edge of bankruptcy to live on board full time — and the boat will be taken care of. OR the boat goes missing — and will probably be sunk.

    I’d think that this will be a major problem in all coastal boating areas.

  • http://www.myspace.com/isomer_69 LAUREN

    Here is what is going to happen:

    Intentionally cause a worldwide depression.
    Start up a Global society
    Govts. will nationalize the banks then they will nationalize the currency. Start regional currency—the Amero.
    Then they will form a North American Union.
    They will use terrorism and economic crises to scare the people into going along with having a government controlled economy.
    Then they will push for a world currency. They will consolidate the banks and have regional world currencies. African Union, Asian Union, European Union and North American Union.
    The Bank of International Settlements, U.N. and the International Monetary Fund will be the major agencies economically in control.
    Oil will be back up at $145 a barrel and gold will be $1,000 an ounce.
    The United States will be for sale. The banks will be the bosses of our government.

  • Cubs in 09

    We have a 1984 Oldsmobile! She runs like a top! We call her the USS Enterprise. ;)

  • http://www.canicleanit.com/category/boats Captain Clean Boat

    Nice and usefull post, thanks, this is one for my bookmarks!

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