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Obama Uses the New Yorker to Bamboozle America

Got to give the “Chicago” “Honolulu” kid some credit. In the midst of taking an ass whipping on the Hill he managed to persuade the highly regarded New Yorker to carry his water and spin a delightful but bullshit yarn about the killing of Osama Bin Laden. The “How Obama Got Some Osama” tale that hit the internets on Monday is 60% truth and 40% nonsense.

Nicholas Schmidle, the author of Getting Bin Laden, is the son of a senior Army general, which explains in part how the kid was given such “special access.” Can’t blame the kid for jumping at the story of a lifetime. Normally it is up to the editor at the New Yorker to recognize mythology being passed off as the “insider” account.

Let’s start with what is right in the story. The Navy SEALs did carry out the mission. They are a terrific unit. Unfortunately, their role in this mission was never supposed to be acknowledged in public. That’s the real story here. The Obama team panicked when the helicopter went down and abandoned the cover story that was going to protect the SEALs and the senior Pakistani Generals who helped the US close the chapter on Bin Laden.

So let’s go through Schmidle’s story methodically.

The story opens with the stealthy penetration of the US force into Pakistan:

Fifteen minutes later, the helicopters ducked into an alpine valley and slipped, undetected, into Pakistani airspace. For more than sixty years, Pakistan’s military has maintained a state of high alert against its eastern neighbor, India. Because of this obsession, Pakistan’s “principal air defenses are all pointing east,” Shuja Nawaz, an expert on the Pakistani Army and the author of “Crossed Swords: Pakistan, Its Army, and the Wars Within,” told me. Senior defense and Administration officials concur with this assessment, but a Pakistani senior military official, whom I reached at his office, in Rawalpindi, disagreed. “No one leaves their borders unattended,” he said. Though he declined to elaborate on the location or orientation of Pakistan’s radars—“It’s not where the radars are or aren’t”—he said that the American infiltration was the result of “technological gaps we have vis-à-vis the U.S.” The Black Hawks, each of which had two pilots and a crewman from the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment, or the Night Stalkers, had been modified to mask heat, noise, and movement; the copters’ exteriors had sharp, flat angles and were covered with radar-dampening “skin.”

Read more.

True and not true. The truth is that the head of the ISI and the head of the Pakistani Army, Generals Pasha and Kiyani respectively, were witting of the movement of U.S. forces and took steps to ensure that Pakistani forces did not alert and respond. And we are not talking about only radars. None of the forces in Abottabad reacted.

USA Today reported in the immediate days after the raid:

“My younger brother and cousin living there witnessed some unusual troop movement, but then again Abbottabad has three Army training centers and a military academy so they thought maybe a chief of staff is visiting.”
He said the power in town went out a couple of hours before the raid, which was unusual as was the way in which unidentified troops were hustling about prior to the raid. The power was restored 15 minutes after the raid. . . .After an hour or two, the Pakistan military sealed off roads and blocked traffic.

In addition, in the immediate aftermath of the raid the Pakistani military swarmed the city collecting videos and cell phones. They didn’t want anyone sending out anything that would blow the cover story the Generals thought the US was going to honor. They were wrong.

Schmidle’s next ladle of fairy dust included this fantasy:

Since escaping that winter during a battle in the Tora Bora region of eastern Afghanistan, bin Laden had defied American efforts to trace him. Indeed, it remains unclear how he ended up living in Abbottabad.

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Nope. Quite clear. The Saudis brokered a deal with the Pakistanis who, in exchange for substantial financial support, agreed to keep Osama under the equivalent of house arrest. Remember, Pakistan’s greatest security concerns were (and are) India and Iran. Bin Laden was a poker chip they could play, possibly, down the road. You don’t toss away a trump card for nothing.

Schmidle turns out to be an unwitting fool in Obama’s reelection bid. It starts with creating the myth that Obama alone got Bin Laden:

Four months after Obama entered the White House, Leon Panetta, the director of the C.I.A., briefed the President on the agency’s latest programs and initiatives for tracking bin Laden. Obama was unimpressed. In June, 2009, he drafted a memo instructing Panetta to create a “detailed operation plan” for finding the Al Qaeda leader and to “ensure that we have expended every effort.” Most notably, the President intensified the C.I.A.’s classified drone program; there were more missile strikes inside Pakistan during Obama’s first year in office than in George W. Bush’s eight.

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Like any good lie this is a clever mix of fact and fantasy. Yes, Obama was briefed on the state of the search for Bin Laden. However, taking credit for the “expanded” drone program is just a lie. The expansion started in the summer of 2008 under George W. Bush, when he and his “crack” team of national security mavens realized they were on the verge of losing Afghanistan and quickly shifted more CIA and Special Ops assets to the theater. But the CIA effort remained uncoordinated and disjointed. The ops run out of Kandahar, for example, were not coordinated with the ops out of Kabul. Remember the massacre at Forward Operating Base Chapman in December 2009?

The attack represented an audacious blow to intelligence operatives at the vanguard of U.S. counterterrorism operations in both Afghanistan and Pakistan, killing officials whose job involves plotting strikes against the Taliban, al-Qaeda and other extremist groups that are active on the frontier between the two nations. The facility that was targeted — Forward Operating Base Chapman — is in the eastern Afghan province of Khost, which borders North Waziristan, the Pakistani tribal area that is believed to be al-Qaeda’s home base.

Schmidle’s tall tale continues:

In August, 2010, Panetta returned to the White House with better news. C.I.A. analysts believed that they had pinpointed bin Laden’s courier, a man in his early thirties named Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti. Kuwaiti drove a white S.U.V. whose spare-tire cover was emblazoned with an image of a white rhino. The C.I.A. began tracking the vehicle. One day, a satellite captured images of the S.U.V. pulling into a large concrete compound in Abbottabad. Agents, determining that Kuwaiti was living there, used aerial surveillance to keep watch on the compound, which consisted of a three-story main house, a guesthouse, and a few outbuildings.

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Complete fabrication. The break came not because of analytical brilliance but good, old fashioned dumb luck and greed–a Pakistani intelligence officer walked into the US Embassy and ratted Bin Laden out. It was this that led the CIA to set up the safe house in Abbottabad and pursue a number of collection efforts to verify the Bin Laden was there. This included overhead and video surveillance, electronic surveillance and the collection of DNA.

By February of 2011 the CIA was confident that Bin Laden was in fact inside the house. They approached Obama about launching the mission but, at the urging of Valerie Jarrett, the President delayed making a decision. Why was Jarrett nervous? We still did not have 100% photo evidence that the figure seen walking outside of the house on occasion was Bin Laden. Obama listened to Jarrett who insisted on 100% proof.

This thumb twiddling continued for the next three months. Panetta, frustrated at the dawdling, finally turned to Hillary Clinton and Robert Gates. The three forced the issue with Obama and he reluctantly agreed to green light the SEAL mission.

Schmidle gives it a different spin:

Obama, though excited, was not yet prepared to order military action. John Brennan, Obama’s counterterrorism adviser, told me that the President’s advisers began an “interrogation of the data, to see if, by that interrogation, you’re going to disprove the theory that bin Laden was there.”

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Obama was frozen until Panetta forced the matter.

Schmidle’s account of the SEAL preparation and training is accurate. What fascinates me about this is that the SEAL community has been forbidden to talk about the preparation and the mission–until now. Note that the entire tone of his piece is to portray Barack “The Duffer” Obama as the equivalent of George Patton. Carefully weighing decisions and moving methodically. That is simply not true.

Schmidle returns to fiction with this dollop of “insider” info:

Obama returned to the White House at two o’clock, after playing nine holes of golf at Andrews Air Force Base. The Black Hawks departed from Jalalabad thirty minutes later. Just before four o’clock, Panetta announced to the group in the Situation Room that the helicopters were approaching Abbottabad. Obama stood up. “I need to watch this,” he said, stepping across the hall into the small office and taking a seat alongside Webb. Vice-President Joseph Biden, Secretary Gates, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton followed him, as did anyone else who could fit into the office. On the office’s modestly sized LCD screen, helo one—grainy and black-and-white—appeared above the compound, then promptly ran into trouble.

Read more.

Nope. Biden and Clinton were sitting in the sit room watching the events unfold. Obama was in the next room. It was Biden who stood up and went out to Obama and said, “You need to watch this.” At that point Obama came into the room along with gaggle of aides and strap hangers.

I give Obama full credit for ordering the raid. It was like pulling horse teeth, but he finally did the right thing. It is a consistent pattern of “decision making” for Obama.

Schmidle gets the next part right:

When the helicopter began getting away from the pilot, he pulled back on the cyclic, which controls the pitch of the rotor blades, only to find the aircraft unresponsive. The high walls of the compound and the warm temperatures had caused the Black Hawk to descend inside its own rotor wash—a hazardous aerodynamic situation known as “settling with power.” In North Carolina, this potential problem had not become apparent, because the chain-link fencing used in rehearsals had allowed air to flow freely. A former helicopter pilot with extensive special-operations experience said of the pilot’s situation, “It’s pretty spooky—I’ve been in it myself. The only way to get out of it is to push the cyclic forward and fly out of this vertical silo you’re dropping through. That solution requires altitude. If you’re settling with power at two thousand feet, you’ve got plenty of time to recover. If you’re settling with power at fifty feet, you’re going to hit the ground.”

The helicopter going down is where the trouble began and the Obama White House team wilted. Originally the cover story was going to be that Osama bin Laden was killed in a drone strike and that his remains were recovered. When the chapter went down Obama, acting on the advice of National Security Advisor Donilon and John Brennan, decided to go public with the raid. They essentially betrayed Generals Pasha and Kiyani.

Now, I don’t have a lot of sympathy for those two blokes. They had been complicit in keeping Bin Laden under wraps. But when approached by the highest levels of the US Government they knew the gig was up and agreed to hand over their chip provided they did not get exposed. Intelligence operations is a big gray area. No clear black and white.

The Obama team was so worried about getting exposed for cutting a deal with the Paks that they decided, purely for domestic political advantage, to put SEAL Team Six out front. Sadly, they did not pause to think what this meant for our already troubled relationship with Pakistan. This amateur hour move pissed off both the CIA and the SEALs because it exposed classified capabilities and further tanked our ability to continue to work effectively with Pakistan.

Schmidle also unwittlingly exposes the reality of Osama’s “jail:”

Nevertheless, security precautions were in place. A locked metal gate blocked the base of the staircase leading to the second floor, making the downstairs room feel like a cage.
After blasting through the gate with C-4 charges, three SEALs marched up the stairs.

Read more.

The metal gate separating Osama from the lower floor was designed to keep him locked up in the attic. He could only get out when the Pakistanis said he could.

Schmidle creates the illusion that he is giving you inside dope:

It also represented the team’s first serious attempt since late 2001 at killing “Crankshaft”—the target name that the Joint Special Operations Command, or JSOC, had given bin Laden.

Read more.

The Atlantic reported two moths ago:

Though the Navy SEAL team storming into bin Laden’s Pakistan compound referred to the Al Qaeda leader as “Geronimo,” Pentagon and CIA analysts knew him by a more culinary nickname: “Cakebread.” The quirky piece of bin Laden death trivia comes from excerpts from a new book published by ABC News called Target: Bin Laden—The Death and Life of Public Enemy Number One.

Schmidle, to use play ground terminology, was getting his Crank yanked. Poor kid, he bought the bullshit.

One last bit of mythology. Schmidle tells a moving story of Osama’s body being carefully washed and buried at sea after being flown to the USS Carl Vinson. Only one little problem. Not a single sailor has come forward to recount their experience that night. You have 3000 plus sailors, who have cell phones and cameras, and no one got a shot? Right.

I heard from sources I trust that Osama’s body was dumped over the Kush. After taking off from Bagram in a V-22 Osprey he was simply pushed out into the night air.

Let’s focus on the big picture. Obama gets credit in my book for ordering the raid that ended Osama bin Laden. He finally let the SEALs do what they are trained to do. My beef is that the White House, like any White House, wants to portray the man as a heroic figure who, all alone, made the tough decision. The reality is something else. Obama flinched when the helicopter blew up and, as he has done to so many others, tossed the Pakistani Generals who helped our forces get to the target unimpeded under his bus of political ambition. One of these days I hope a first rate reporter gets the real story.

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  • Alice Wolf

    Sorry.  Anyway, the drones were part of the NATO attack on Libya, did the UN know that the CIA was going to zap Qadaffi.  That CIA sure gets around.

  • Alice Wolf

    Osana bin Laden worked for the CIA apparently, according to what is out there in the blogosphere, and was a friend of the Bush family.  Wasn’t President Obama a former CIA employee?  Can anyone explain what role the CIA played in the bombing of the World Trade Center in NY and the work Barack Obama did for them before his stint as a community organizer in Chicago. It’s such a small world.  Of course  Daddy Bush was a CIA director before becoming president huh?   Now the CIA is building drone ports in many parts of the planet and these drones played a large part in the NATO

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  • Anonymous

    I cannot say it any better….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn1EXwjFOa0 

  • ObamaIsToast

    Thanks for dissecting the information, Larry.  One thing the govt and particularly this WH does is play off of people’s ignorance.  Really, how likely is is that we would be able to take out Obama, the most wanted man in the world, requiring such a heavy operation as this without the consent/assistance of the Pakistanis?  In my estimation, not very likely.  But Americans like to believe that we do not need the assistance of foreign govts when dealing with national security issues, and hence downplay their roles when it suits their political beliefs.  As to whether Obama sold out the Pakistani generals, I HAVE NO DOUBT.  Throwing people under the bus is Obama’s nature.

    IMO, that the point about how Obama got into the room to witness the actual take down, whether it was of his own volition, or someone made him do it, really doesn’t matter.  Anyone who has viewed that photo can tell that he came in at the last moment, seemingly uncaring about what was to transpire.  Otherwise, he would have been seated at the head of the table.  What executive doesn’t sit in the executive’s chair?  Unless that was a carefully orchestrated move to make a bedraggled Obama look  like he was in a moral quandary over the decision to assassinate bin Laden so as not to offend the most ardent anti-war Obot supporters.

    • ObamaIsToast

      Of course, let’s not forget that news of the role of the Pakistani military in the Osama take-down was reported in their newspapers immediately.  It’s amazing that this news really hadn’t reached American shores.

  • Wbboe

    As Obama put it prior to the 2010 tsunami, the difference between the congressional losses in 1994 and now is you have got me. . . . 

    All this foolish talk about record deficits, record unemployment and debt rising to 100% of gdp.  Not to worry.  You have got me, so sayeth Messiah Obama.

    Fast forward to pitched battle as hostile Indians who form the greatest light cavalry in the world circle a ragged band of homesteaders and just when it looks like the end we hear a bugle

    Its the cavalry to the rescue, and not just any cavalry, the Seventh Cavalry, no not quite–its Debby Downer with her typical message of good cheer courtesy of Obama:

    Wasserman Schultz: “We’ve Really Begun To Turn The Economy Around”

    http://realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/08/02/debbie_wasserman_schultz_weve_really_begun_to_turn_the_economy_around.html

    “Well, we’re going to focus on what we know is the number one
    priorities on Americans ease minds right now, that is creating jobs and
    continuing to get this economy turned around.

    If we have to drag the
    Republicans with us, then we’ll do that, but, you know, it’s been a
    whole lot of months, eight months they have controlled the house with no
    jobs bills coming to the Floor.

    Hopefully now with this compromise on
    the debt ceiling behind us, with the opportunity, with the economic to
    sit down and focus on longer-term deficit reduction that will have some
    balance and ask some sacrifice for our most fortunate,”

    Rep. Debbie
    Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) told MSNBC. Schultz is also the Chairwoman of
    the DNC.

    “We’re creating jobs each month in the private sector.”

    Opining on Voter ID laws being enacted across the nation to prevent
    voter fraud, Wasserman Schultz says “you’re more likely to be hit by
    lightning than be a victim” of fraud.
     

    • Wbboe

      BTW: Debbie’s middle name is Clueless.

    • Anonymous

      I was a vic for both, first voter fraud which caused me to be struck by lighting. Think of the odds!

      But that’s for the mythological creature, in the name of Debbie Downer, who doesn’t know enough to get out at 59th street for the local uptown on a good day.

  • yttik

    Good reporting, Larry. It’s interesting stuff.

    The thing is, Obama could have even swung in personally like some Rambo character and taken out a bunch of terrorists on video tape, but unless the American people have jobs, it’s not going to matter one bit. When the economy is really bad, people just don’t care about national security as much.

  • Anonymous

    1) gaggle of aides and strap hangers; thems the kind that would put to shame the clowns who would swing on the straps of the old #7 on the way to Shea Stadium…
    2) “One of these days I hope a first rate reporter gets the real story.”
            Two questions, LJ ; Does such a “first rate” creature exist in the mythical world we are livin in and would the story’s plot line read like a comedy of errors on the road to immortality or as a Greek tragedy complete with “tail” feathers melting in the sun?

    I thank you for the 60/40 split insights. More than anything else it proves that Obama is just the man in the mirror, not more than a reflection of indifferent indecision. ug. Barney Rubble, we got trouble….

  • Anonymous

    Larry –  Thanks for the great insight and analysis and the engaging play-by-play insider’s view.   

    • Anonymous

      2nd that. I really like the fact that Mr. Johnson connects reporting across the deck and the seemingly unrelated “toids” create a wider “view” of contrasting facts and fiction. Thanks  

  • Anonymous

    Excellent article, Larry

    Anyone here think these 2 events are random coincidence’s ?

    Wednesday, April 27th -  birth certificate copy released ?

    Sunday after, May 1st – Barack Hussein Obama has
                                       Osama bin Laden eliminated ?

  • Anonymous

    the Democrats suck.

  • Anonymous

    has anyone on this internet site considered it strange that no comments run against the grain? in other words, where are the people with opinions that run contrary to the general comments?

  • Anonymous

    i think that this article could be at least semi-credible. but the horizontal slash through Obama’s name suggests that this article is very likely politically biased and, therefore dubious. you Republicans are way too obvious. i hope that you and your relatives live long enough to experience the aftershocks of Republican decisions.

    thank you, Larry Johnson, for opening my eyes to what could possibly be another avenue to arriving at the truth. i sincerely doubt that our government would kill such a treasure trove of valuable information as Osama Bin Laden. The New Yorker and Nicholas  Schmidle ……well, don’t blame the delivery boy.

    • Wbboe

      Weedman–if you need some sea sick pills I know where you can get them.  It may surprise you to know that many people on this site are former democrats who left the party because of what happened on March 31, 2008, and because they could see the perils of an Obama presidency both to the party and the nation.  Others are former Republicans who left the party because of Bush.  So what you have here is plenty of independents, and we look at Obama through non partisan glasses and what we see we do not like.  We disagree with Larry when we see things differently than he does but when it comes to an issue like this his opinion, insight and analysis carries great weight because of his experience and because he is an widely recognized expert in the field.  You think this article “could” be “semi-credible”? Give me a break.

      • Anonymous

        Just to satisfy “another avenue to arriving at the truth”,
        and the lack of dissenting opinion….

        Larry, I disagree…the line should have been diagonal. After all, Obama the delivery boy, who can’t be blamed, is really from the House of Slithern and Parsel tongue is what he speaks.
        Everyone knows this…tsk.

    • Anonymous

      Would you prefer if line was vertical?

  • Anonymous

    “It is funny you want to blame Obama for everything”  .  .  .  .  why
    not? he has spent every waking  hour blaming Bush for everything
    especially events that did not happen under Bush’s watch and it is not
    2.5 years later…

    Hokma’s delivering a case of what goes around, comes around.  It’s about time he began to collect the blame.  Bush was under constant assault from day one.

  • Anonymous

    Just got this in my email and just had to share…Considering the article this seems fittiing

    The skunk has replaced the Eagle as the new symbolof the American Presidency.
    It is half black, half white, and everything it does Stinks!

    • Wbboe

      Grand slam home run on that one.

    • Wbboe

      As you may recall, he wanted his own presidential seal and custom designed one.  I am all in favor of it as long as the skunk is prominently featured and it sunsets when he steps down form high office.

      • Anonymous

        That wasn’t a presidential seal he had designed, Wb, it was the seal for the office of the president-elect. Which was ridiculous and very presumptuous. And it’s an “office” which does not exist. The president-elect is not in office, he is waiting to take the oath of office. Until he does, he has no office. I am sure someone explained this to Obama, but his ego overrode the advice.

  • Anonymous

    Just got this in my email and just had to share…Considering the article this seems fittiing

    The skunk has replaced the Eagle as the new symbol
    of the American Presidency.

    It is half black, half white, and everything it does Stinks!

  • Anonymous

    Just thought you would like to see where poor Obama is having his party.

    • Anonymous

      Ooooo–more styrofoam pillars!  His Majesty is best complimented by these magnificent architectural structures….

    • snosandy

      All his friends will be there with him, you know the millionaires and billionaires and corporate jet (and yacht) owners.

  • Wbboe

    Larry, that this article would appear in the New Yorker may be attributed to the fact that a few years ago that magazine had a cover picture of the Obamas dressed as radicals and saw this as an opportunity to atone for that sin of telling the truth to their liberal readers who have yet to wake up.  The New Yorker is highly regarded mainly because of its history and the Round Table crowd headed up by the caustic wit of Dorothy Parker.  The crowd that runs it today are not even a shadow of Christmases past.

  • Wbboe

    Larry, that this article would appear in the New Yorker may be attributed to the fact that a few years ago that magazine had a cover picture of the Obamas dressed as radicals and saw this as an opportunity to atone for that sin of telling the truth to their liberal readers who have yet to wake up.  The New Yorker is highly regarded mainly because of its history and the Round Table crowd headed up by the caustic wit of Dorothy Parker.  The crowd that runs it today are not even a shadow of Christmases past.

  • Anonymous

    Great post, Larry.  In the Old West, Obama would have been called “lily livered.”   I don’t give him credit for shit.  His hand was forced and he’d never have made the decision otherwise.  That to me is just as bad as indecision.

  • Anonymous

    “They approached Obama about launching the mission but, at the urging of Valerie Jarrett, the President delayed making a decision. Why was Jarrett nervous?”

    Obvious reasoning is “the Jimmy Carter Syndrome” placing re-election out of the question if something went wrong!

     ”Panetta, frustrated at the dawdling, finally turned to Hillary Clinton and Robert Gates. The three forced the issue with Obama and he reluctantly agreed to green light the SEAL mission.”

    What choice did Obama have now that Hillary knew about it?

    “The helicopter going down is where the trouble began and the Obama White House team wilted.”

    Left out” and Obama pee’d his pants!”

    “The Obama team was so worried about getting exposed for cutting a deal with the Paks that they decided, purely for domestic political advantage, to put SEAL Team Six out front.”

    Thus destroying the US’s word to anyone and everyone not to be exposed should someone have info to offer up or provide, class move by Obama in destroying the US’s credibility going forward and feeding more talk to terrorists to keep people in line that talking will expose them!

  • Anonymous

    Confirmed: GOP & Dem Leaders Both Asked President Wonderful to Leave Room… At White House Meeting!

    Congressional leaders were forced to ask President Wonderful and his
    aides to leave the White House meeting so that they could get something
    done.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/08/confirmed-at-white-house-meeting-gop-and-dem-leaders-asked-president-wonderful-his-aides-to-leave-room-so-they-could-negotiate/

    • olivia1998

      great leadership??????

    • Wbboe

      I have always been fascinated with the concept of leadership, and intrigued with the possibility that new forms of it may emerge. And indeed they have. 

      Previously, we learned from an unimpeachable witness–who else, Jay Carney, that Messiah Obama has invented the new iteration called “leading from behind”.  He said he wished he could just issue a divine decree, but that damned constitution keeps getting in the way, so he must cajole, threaten, inspire, and induce others to take the point position. 

      Well, we now learn that Obama has taken the concept of leadership to a whole new level which is called “leading by being kicked out of the room.” 

      Moses said to the Israelites get off your ass, get on your camel, we are going to the Promised Land.  Obama says sit on your ass, light up your camel, this is the Promised Land, and I am the man who will show you how to do it.    

      As they say, we never stop learning.  And with his brilliance on full display as he sells his own party down the tubes and moves the gold posts for the opposition when he is trying to strike a grand bargain we find that the sole beneficiary of his leadership is himself.  As they say, Obama cannot be trusted by friends, Obama cannot be trusted by enemies, Obama cannot be trusted no way, no how, nobama.

      • murray

        That was simply brilliant, Wbboe!  Made me laugh out loud.

        • Wbboe

          Oh thank you murray.  Where the emperor with no clothes is concerned lets just say we aim to please.

      • Docelder

        This is a work of art. :)  

    • Anonymous

      ok there went my puter screen again rofl rofl

  • Dbb

    Larry, can explain why anyone should take seriously someone like you who believes “Ulsterman’s” White House Insider as a credible source?  That’s where you get the story that Biden and Hillary forced Obama to act, yes?  As for dumping Osama’s body in the Hindu Kush, that would open up the possibility however remote of it being found and an Islamist martyr’s shrine being established.  Do you ever think these things out?  

    • Anonymous

      Egads……..Another one……

      • Dbb

        Boy, you guys remind me of the Children’s Crusade.

        • Wbboe

          No.  You are wrong. We are not Obots.  They are the children’s crusade, and they have their secular Pope to guide them to the holy land of their imagination..

          On a related note,   I am sorry you are unnerved by the Ulsterman Reports.  It is tough to have people on the inside the tent pissing in as well as out.

           My profound sympathies.

      • olivia1998

        the basement must be full.  It sure is going to smell when they all crap

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      You obviously have made your choice so why are you here? I got zero from Ulsterman.  Don’t know who that is and don’t care.  Folks I’ve talked to are in a position to know what they know.  As far as the disposition of Osama’s body I come back to the complete absence of chatter from the Vinson.  USG ain’t that good at keeping a secret.

      • Dbb

        Just to refresh your memory, Larry, from your May 9 post, Obama Coerced Into Going After Bin Laden:” Don’t know if you have seen the blog featuring comments by a person claiming to be an Obama insider (i.e., Ulsterman. I was skeptical of this person before but, based on what he/she has written on this subject and given the independent sources I have, I would peg Ulsterman’s accuracy at more than 80%. Valerie Jarrett led the charge resisting the push from Panetta to go after UBL. Obama initially sided with Jarrett. The White House spin that Obama had to persuade senior advisors to go after Osama is pure unadulterated bullshit. He was the one dragging ass.In fact, according to someone who was privy to the decision making process, Hillary played a major role in backing up Leon Panetta and finally convincing Obama to act.”So where is he 20% off, Larry, his harness racing picks at Aqueduct?  Even your old PUMA comrade Kevin Dujan of Hillbuzz dismisses this guy out of hand.

        • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

          The info I received came from folks directly involved in the activity.  I don’t know who Ulsterman is and could care less.  What he reported about Jarrett, however, was accurate.

  • Wbboe

    Larry, thank you for dissecting this story and separating the wheat from the chaff.  Excellent job.

    It would appear that the 60% of it that is true came from informed sources secured through the writers father a senior general and relate to the details of the military operation. 

    The 40% which is a fabrication came from his own imagination qua White House spin doctors and relates to the political decision making process at the White House–which you effectively expose.

    The primary purpose of the political aspect of this story is to cover up the ineptitude and reticence of Obama to make this decision and to portray him instead as some kind of Patton as you say.

    Whenever Obama is confronted with an operational decision which has political risk, his tendency is to freeze up.  We saw this at the very beginning of his term when he was faced with the Somali Pirate crisis, and we see it again in this instance.

    Great leaders are the ones who can see through the fog of war because if they wait until the battlefield is 100% visible then too often the moment of opportunity has passed.

    You give Obama credit for acting, just as you did at the time it happened.  I suppose that is fair because without his authorization it would not have happened.  But in all honesty, to the extent that the decision was straightforward how much credit does he deserve?  It seems to me that by then, it was mainly pro forma.

    On the Somali issue he dithered as well.  I was told by someone I trust implicitly, that she saw a CNN broadcast shortly before he acted in which a Navy Seal went on the air with a silohuette and voice over.

    This Seal told the commentator that the military was prepared to act and was waiting (and waiting and waiting) for the White House to give the order. Shortly thereafter they did.  When I went back to a service that records every program they could not find that program. 

    Do you by any chance know anything about that, and if so, can you address it?

    • Anonymous

      If it was on CNN and was detrimental to Obama’s image, it is gone for good. I bet they got reamed for airing it in the first place. Threats of no access ever again would be enough to cause CNN to pull it and scrub it from all servers and mirrors.  Obama does not like things that make him look bad being out there in cyberspace, and his people, and their cohorts in the media, make sure it doesn’t stay there long if they can scrub it. If you ever find it again, which is unlikely, copy it onto a CD. That way you will have a record of it, even if they do scrub it completely. Scrubbing is SOP for the Obama team. It’s how they keep him looking good. Or at least not too bad.

      • Wbboe

        I was trying to get the recording service to send me a copy of the program with a signed affidavit. I was shocked when they could not find it.  There was another program in that time slot.  My friend was a professor of communications at a major midwest university, and her husband’s family owned the most successful small town newspaper in the United States, and his father was president of the Newspaper Publishers Association.  When I told her there was no record of it she was stunned.  She spoke to a friend who saw the same program and was relieved to hear that.  Her speculation–and that is all it is, was that the military did the scrubbing.  They knew they were going out on a limb on this one, since these were active duty officers, and Obama is, nominally at least, commander in chief.  So it would be as much in their interest as Obama’s to scrub that tape.  That is why I asked Larry what he thought about it.  Beyond that it is pure speculation.  I do not have a good answer for this myself.

      • Anonymous

        You just reminded me that CNN was the one who scrubbed the embarrassing line when Obama said he saw dead people on Memorial Day. Obama also scrubbed it from his website and no one questioned it. That’s the day I became truly scared for our country.

  • murray

    Friendly reminder:
    “Don’t Feed the Troll”

    • Anonymous

      And if that doesn`t work…………….

    • Docelder

      Yes feeding it just makes it post more stupid ass polls… always polls. As if a poll in and of itself makes something true. Smoke and mirrors… it’s all that’s left.

  • nqisfun

    Larry,

    I am not sure what this story has to do with Obama. Please explain. I think he has more important things to worry about then a story in the New Yorker. You make it sound like Obama wrote this story or was involved in it some somehow. Come on…

    Osama will not save Obama, but it does take the Democrats are weak on security argument off-the-table. It is also just one more accomplishment of this Adminstration. They have be absolutely perfect on the “war on terror”.

    • Anonymous

      What it has to do with is the continuing myth of Obama which is packed full of lies and exaggerations. Larry fortunately rips open the myth and exposes it for what it is.

      We should not credit Obama with the capture of bin Laden other than saying “yes” but only after being forced by Panetta, Clinton, and Gates. We should also not credit Obama on this debt deal given the fact that it was Biden in the role of President negotiating this.

      Regarding the so-called war on terror, Democrats have defined the war on terror as only Bin Laden. In fact Obama has made every effort to play down the threat and even placate Muslim extremists. His foreign policy has been weak regarding the Middle East and the continuing propagation of radical islam which is now taking over all the countries surrounding Israel, who are being left on their own to defend themselves against these threats. All Obama has donw is continue what Bush did regarding security and the war (the drone attacks were started with Bush).

      • nqisfun

        Yeah, yeah, yeah I get it you hate Obama… there are always people who hate whatever President we have. He does not fit your worldview or what you would like to have done. Big deal. Get over it. You lost the last election. You have 2012.

        It is funny you want to blame Obama for everything that happens under his watch, but will given him absolutely no credit for anything that happens under his watch. It kind gets to be like a broken record after a while.

        Yeah, Democrats have defined the war on terror as only Bin Laden, as they take the war to Pakistan, Yemen and the far corners of the globe and as they have stopped pretty much every attack in the U.S. Can you give me just one example of any Democrat who as you say “played down the threat and even placated Muslim extremists”? Just one? 

        Again, you will not give Obama credit for increasing and improving drone attacks, as you say that was started under Bush, but you have no problem blaming Obama for a terrible recession, which clearly started under Bush.

        How about some consistency?

        • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

          Certainly, I give Obama credit for continuing what Bush belatedly started after wasting US lives and resources in Iraq.  Similarlly, I give Obama credit for continued boneheaded leadership in dealing with the economy.  He’s taken the Bush mess and made it worse.

          • nqisfun

            I know you give Obama credit on the security side. I was commenting on Hokma, a rather confused individual.

            However, how do you figure it is worse?

            All the fiscal and economic trends did not suddenly stop or turn around the day that Obama became President.

            As the economists were saying in 2008, it could take 5 years before we are out of this mess and that is precisely how we have been trending.

            End of the day there is very little a President can do to turn an economy around and create jobs.

            • Anonymous

              “As the economists were saying in 2008, it could take 5 years before we are out of this mess and that is precisely how we have been trending.”
              _____________________ Do you make this up as you go along or are ALL your economists the ones that post on Daily Koz? No intelligent economist was stating that it would take 5 years to come out of this recession.

              As far as the credit/mortgage situation that is a systemic problem that took decades to create and will take more than five years to correct.

              “End of the day there is very little a President can do to turn an economy around and create jobs”
              _____________________

              That we agree on. Nothing which is what Obama/Pelosi?Reid should have done in 2009. Instead that did massive intervention which is why we are in a double dip recession or maybe worse.

              Had Obama and company did nothing we would have already been in a vibrant recovery.

              It would take an extensive post to explain this to you, but it would be worthwhile reading more on fundamental economics, business case studies, and maybe run a company as I have. Then maybe you will “get it” instead of your clueless left wing blather.

          • Anonymous

            Thank you for the detailed and interesting critique, Larry.
            brings me here everyday..

        • Anonymous

          “It is funny you want to blame Obama for everything”  .  .  .  .  why not? he has spent every waking  hour blaming Bush for everything especially events that did not happen under Bush’s watch and it is not 2.5 years later.

          Obama and company started out by placating Muslims by refusing to acknowledge that there was a war on terror and instead chose to call terrorism “man made disasters” so as not to upset Muslim extremists.

          Bush did not create the recession if you undrstand findamental economics you would know that Presidents don’t create them or solve them – they are natural recurring events in the eocnomic cycle of a free market economy. However Presidents and politicians can make them worse and prolong them, even deepen them. Obama has done just that and he has no framework of understanding of what he has done or how to resolve it.

          He wants to resolve it? Fire his economic team (at least those still left) and convince Steve Wynn a Democrat (not Immelt) to be his economic czar and then everyone follow his advice. Since that ain’t happing we will just have to wait for Obama’s replacement from either party.

          • nqisfun

            More batty logic. You are definately one of NQ’s finest.

            • Anonymous

              With that comment you confirm yourself to be a moron cutting and pasting Daily Koz B.S. Get an education. Start with Eco 101 and go from there.

    • Wbboe

      Please explain. I think he has more important things to worry about then a story in the New Yorker
      ——————————–
      At this point it is clear to any objective observer that Obama’s highest priority is campaigning.  And this kind of piece, which promotes the big lie concerning his leadership, is part and parcel of that effort.  I have no doubt that Obama saw it before it was published, and I would be surprised if it was not edited by the White House.  Like Sherlock Holmes Larry, has exposed the crime committed against the truth and it is elementary my dear nqisfun.  But nice try.  More important things than campaigning?  Not when your whole presidency is an exercise in the endless campaign.

      • nqisfun

        Your tinfoil hat is on extra tight today.

        • Wbboe

          It does not fit.  Must be yours. Replying to nqisfun is fun.

    • Wbboe

      I am not sure what this story has to do with Obama.
      ———————————–
      Well then you have not heard . . . they are related to each other and to Dick Cheney.  How is that for relevant?

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for your insight and knowledge. I was intrgued by your “reporting” from beginning to end. Your knowledge makes it easier for those of us who do not understand the inner workings to see things more clearly. Again, thank you.

  • Anonymous

    This is great reporting – the kind we rarely see anymore – and hope it gets picked up elsewhere. Also, like most magazines, the New Yorker is a shell of what it once was.

  • Anonymous

    Larry this was a GREAT read from start to finish.

    There have always been things that bothered me about that day and barry’s nonchalance. This was the biggest operation of this man’s Presidency and he was out golfing. The man just bugs me.

    On a side note, I started another Vince Flynn novel and was reading the acknoweledgements. I may have just never caught this before but, I saw very a  special one to you Larry. After reading that I see Mitch Rapp all over this. Weird.

    Well done Larry!

  • Anonymous

    “One of these days I hope a first rate reporter gets the real story.”
     
    I say one of these days I hope we have some first rate reporters.  Ironically, in the meantime, we rely on LJ’s first rate reporting.  What I wish for is that one of these days we have a first rate President of the the United States who does things professionally and intelligently.

    Thanks for the analysis.  One of the things you’ve done is remind me of how often I used to read the long stories in the New Yorker and think I was getting reliable information.  Now I have to rethink all of my understanding of many of those past stories.  Were they too simply political mythology?

    And one question:  Do you give no credence to the story posted here awhile back that gave the idea that Obama really, in a sense, did not give the order, that Panetta and gang did an end around Valerie Jarrett to get the job done?

  • Anonymous

    I heard from sources I trust that Obama’s body was dumped over the Kush.
    Easy mistake to make, but, Obama loyalists will assume you truly meant Obama, in lieu of Osama.  Otherwise, my point of view was Obama had to make the *kill* call, else he would have been outed by those on the ground that gave the ultimatum.  Would he have killed OBL otherwise?  Doubtful. 

  • Geoff C. The saltine

    Larry, this is the kind of story or reporting that first brought me here.(and no love for boo)  You need to keep writing these kinds of stories. Next up “fast and furious”?

    • Wbboe

      I agree.  Larry’s analysis is always good, but this kind of thing is his sweet spot.

  • Anonymous

    Jesus, Larry!  You really spilled the beans.  I hope that they don’t revoke your hall pass.  On the other hand, I agree with you 100% on Obama’s behavior and character as Commander in Chief (as a former Marine, I cringe as I write that), which can best be described as craven.

    Given the fecklessness of Obama’s national security team when it comes to cover stories, I’m surprised that they didn’t fake a burial at sea.  You’ve explained, of course, why the Paks are pissed.  Too bad no one in the press could figure this out.  Or perhaps they did, and negotiated better seats at the White House press dinner.  Regards, my friend.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for the critique, Larry.

    Can’t be too many miles left in Osama’s corpse, whether it sleeps with the fishes or is crumpled somewhere in the mountains.  I don’t think that Obama will be able to ride it back into the White House, even with the devoted help of the MSM.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      Thanks.  I really do appreciate the feedback and agree that Osama won’t save Obama.

      • Anonymous

        Larry – Typo in next to last paragraph needs to be corrected. You have the wrong person’s body being dumped. Please correct and delete this remark.

        • murray

          Wishful thinking…

        • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

          Thanks.  Freudian slip I guess.

          • Anonymous

            I just made a half-way edit/correction on it, Larry.  Adjust as you see fit.

            • Anonymous

              LOL – brilliant!

          • Anonymous

            It’s just so darned easy to confuse them and I don’t mean only the spelling of names.