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More Killing Osama Bullshit Courtesy of Obama White House

By Larry Johnson on August 5, 2011 at 8:19 PM in Current Affairs

Can’t help myself, but this scab needs picking. There is one part of the now infamous Nick Schmidle account that appears to have been accepted at face value but is pure bullshit. Here’s the crazy portion:

The Americans hurried toward the bedroom door. The first SEAL pushed it open. Two of bin Laden’s wives had placed themselves in front of him. Amal al-Fatah, bin Laden’s fifth wife, was screaming in Arabic. She motioned as if she were going to charge; the SEAL lowered his sights and shot her once, in the calf. Fearing that one or both women were wearing suicide jackets, he stepped forward, wrapped them in a bear hug, and drove them aside. He would almost certainly have been killed had they blown themselves up, but by blanketing them he would have absorbed some of the blast and potentially saved the two SEALs behind him. In the end, neither woman was wearing an explosive vest.

A second SEAL stepped into the room and trained the infrared laser of his M4 on bin Laden’s chest. The Al Qaeda chief, who was wearing a tan shalwar kameez and a prayer cap on his head, froze; he was unarmed. “There was never any question of detaining or capturing him—it wasn’t a split-second decision.

Give the kid some credit, a great frigging action scene. But that’s not what happened. Navy SEALs are not NY City police officers. They have different rules of engagement. They do not shoot to wound. We are asked to believe that two women are standing in front of Osama Bin Laden. STANDING is the key. And, the SEALs entertain the possibility, per Mr. Schmidle, that the ladies are attired in an exploding vest from the Jihadi’s Secret lingerie catalogue for islamic extremists. So they only shoot one of the ladies in the calf?

How does that work? Was she standing facing Bin Laden? Or was she “motioning as if she were going to charge,” which means she is facing the SEAL.

This is pure hokum. That’s not what happened. SEALs shoot to kill, especially if they are threatened with the possibility of a suicide vest. And a guy with a loaded weapon is going to grab two women and “hug them?” You are going to get into a wrestling match with two crazed chicks? Not gonna happen. Getting that close to two people who are still active runs the risk that they could grab your weapon and shoot you, male or female. The SEALs who carried out this mission are not that stupid or reckless.

I personally don’t know exactly what happened in that room, but I do know with certainty that the SEALs who carried out this mission are not the morons portrayed in this account. Either they feared the women were wearing suicide vests, in which case they would have dispatched them with head shots. Or, that is just John Brennan bullshit spoon fed to a naive, inexperienced reporter.

Either way, this part of the story is bogus.

  • candymarl

    Agree Mr. Johnson.  I’ve also known SEALS and my nephew is a Special Forces squad leader. They need to get real.

    • Anonymous

      I pray none of them were among the lost yesterday

  • Wbboe

    Larry, I know a guy who if a former secretary of the navy.  He is a Republican and I will not say which Administration, but it does not begin with B.  He is a thoroughly admirable man.  He maintains that at one time Brennan was a reliable guy, but he has become a disappointment.  I do not know Brennan myself, but speaking he sure looks that way to me as an outsider.  I do not trust him.  This is not unprecedented in his case however.  He is not the first guy who lost his conscience to politics on the way up the ladder, nor unfortunately will he be the last.   Excellent detective work.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      I know Brennan and have written about him.  He is dangerous and borderline incompetent.  Read my previous posts on the clown.

      • Anonymous

        Larry, borderline incompetent as an intelligence professional, or in his new day job, political ponce (in the British meaning of the word) for Barack Obama?

        • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

          So true brother.  So true.

          • Anonymous

            I believe that there is some minimum level of dignity beneath which former and retired intelligence officers should never submerge.  In this regard, John insists on probing the Marianna Trench.  But let me tell you how I really feel:)

        • Anonymous

          What is the British definition of ponce?

          • Anonymous

            Pimp.

      • Wbboe

        Then you probably also know who my source is.  We were talking broadly
        about this administration and he may have been pulling his punches
        because he knew that I was a Hillary supporter, even though I had a
        history with the Republican Party.  At the time, I was more interested in other things besides Brennan.

        If I had pressed the issue, I
        suspect he would have agreed with your characterization, with the caveat
        that Brennan was not always this way.  At the end of the conversation we got around to Kissinger who he likes a lot.  He told me that Kissinger was asked why he did not play golf and Kissinger responded because I still have an active sex life. 

         

  • Wbboe

    If this kid is not careful, he will put Oliver Stone out of business.

    • Scullman10

      Hi wbboe

  • Anonymous

    To many Tom Clancy novels…..

    An M4 at close quarter is not what I would use to shoot someone in the calf. If she was shot in the calf it means that Osama below her knee…coward that he was.

    I knew as soon as that poor pilots tail feathers were left for the Chiese to examine, this story would be spun in such a way as to not make anything that resembled truth viable.

    Pick away LJ and have a great weekend.

    • Anonymous

      Interesting perspective, and quite correct.  Female calves to not provide good cover for craven terrorists being confronted by their fate.

    • Anonymous

      That’s funny because I was thinking the same thing. 

       I do read and like Tom Clancy. I just don’t take him seriously. If I want a little “reality” in my novels I read Stephen Coonts since he actually “served.”

    • murray

      I absolutely cannot stand it.  If bin Laden had even the teensiest desire to blow people up with a suicide vest, he would have worn it himself.

      He would NOT have put them on his two wives, who were standing so close that they would have blown him up, along with themselves.

      No suicide vests in that situation.  Just a scared old nutjob, curled up behind two women.

      • murray

        …and the woman shot in the leg?  The bullet went thru the leg, & into bin Laden.  The leg was merely in the line of site.

  • Anonymous

    From papers on May 5, 2011:
    Leon Panetta, the CIA director who was following the raid in real time from America, said on Tuesday that Bin Laden made “some threatening moves that … represented a clear threat to our guys. And that’s the reason they fired.”
    Whatever he did, the Seal unit opened fire and Bin Laden was hit once in the chest and once in the head.

    Yet this guy says “The Al Qaeda chief, who was wearing a tan shalwar kameez and a prayer cap on his head, froze; he was unarmed.”

    froze huh???

    Now who to believe in any of this since Panetta has later said the feed on the helmet cameras went off as they entered the compound!!

  • Geoff C. The saltine

    Larry this needs to be covered by the press, send it down the road. I know that you are not a fan of G. Beck but he would be the one to put it out there. Great read all of it. G.

  • yttik

    So many of these accounts of the bin Laden killing were such obvious fiction. You could tell from the middle school English class style of writing. They were a bit like some of the erotica written about president Obama in the gym, “his glistening muscles, sparkling in the morning sunlight, …”

    I know terrorists are crazy, but I still doubt Osama bin Laden would have wanted to sleep with a couple of wives wearing suicide vests.

    Also, not to be gross or anything, but if a woman is standing next to Osama bin Laden wearing a suicide vest and she’s about to pull the plug, wouldn’t you just back away?

    One thing you can take away from all these stories, there were about 22 people in that compound. The fact that so many survived is evidence of a surgical attack that was attempting to preserve as much human life as possible. There were around 14 children in that compound and only one was injured by flying debris. That Seal probably did wrap those women in a bear hug…to get them out of the way.

    They could have just told us the truth, it’s probably a better story.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      No, you’re thinking like a mensch.  The SEALs are trained to eliminate the threat.  They’d shoot her in the head.  A SEAL with live weapons–he had an assault rifle, short bore, and a side arm.  He’s not going to put himself in a position where someone could touch or grab those weapons.  Survival instinct and training.  If he did that his commanders, not to mention his other teammates, would kick his ass.

      • Anonymous

        Larry, After due consideration, and considering my own run ins with SEALs,  I’m going with Teak’s theory–the only reason that one gets shot in the calf is if said calf is in front of the head or chest of the intended target.  The idea that a SEAL would take the time and consideration to wound a woman in her calf in this situation is so ludicrous that it could incite a laugh riot.

        • Anonymous

          And LJ said, I woulkd fear a beating from my squad mates more than ….well being humain before the objective was a rap and exgress was secure. It will piss that chopper pilot of for the rest of his life, I’m sure.
          Now I am wondering who supplied the “rocket” propelled granade that alegedlly took out a chinook? It sounds fishy. I pray for the families of these men, for them to know the truth. Why would you send all the eggs in one basket? Odd.

      • yttik

        LOL a mensch? Why thank you, Larry, nobody has called me that in a long time. I’m usually an evil bitter clingy racist or a terrorist sympathizer or something.

        Indeed, I am thinking like mensch. But I truly believe that those Seals went in there, focused on not getting hurt or killed of course, but also with the idea of protecting those kids and preserving as much human life as possible. Hidden in all this nonsense is a real story about respect for civilian life, about the thought and planning and intelligence that went into making what was pretty much a surgical strike. We could have just dropped a bomb on the place and apologized for all the casualties later. There’s precedent for that. Of course, that would have really annoyed Pakistan.

        But that’s the part that I’m curious about. Somebody put a whole lot of time and energy into making sure they got bin Laden but prevented other casualties. I don’t think it was luck. I’m not saying Seals would go in and deliberately mow civilians down, but that’s what would have happened if somebody wasn’t making sure that preventing civilian casualties was a priority and had shaped the plan around that.

        That’s the part of the story that I want to know more about. That’s the part that Americans and even the Muslim world need to hear more about. We get far too many stories about evil Americans and how we slaughter everybody that gets in our way. Yes, those Seals were heroic, but not in the cheesy way that Nick Schmidle portrays them, it was a much more subtle and important type of heroism.

  • Anonymous

    Larry, From a political perspective, this is all academic, of course, because Obama has just got another “kill” that will forever overshadow Osama.  He just killed America’s AAA bond rating.  This will be his defining legacy just as much as Monica Lewinsky will follow Bill Clinton beyond the grave.

    There will be no giving the credit to Bush for this kill, even though Obama and the entire Democratic political spin machine will be out in force trying to do just that on the Sunday talk shows and on Monday morning.  Obama owns this puppy, free and clear.

    You’re welcome, America.

    • elaine

      Retired_, So when are interest rates going up??  I can’t figure any of it, Bernake has printed so much $$$$$$$, nothing makes sense anymore.

      • Docelder

        But the money never hit the streets really… it mostly went to banks… big banks snatching up the carcasses of smaller banks that weren’t too big to fail. When that money starts to hit the streets eventually we will see double digit inflation. Interest rates will be raised… housing prices in parts of the country that weren’t already decimated will be. This is getting ugly before it’s done.

  • Anonymous

    Heard on the street in a posh West Los Angeles watering hole:  “Shit, I’d tap that bitch if she were wearing a Mrs. Bin Laden suicide vest!”  Sorry, like Larry, I just couldn’t help myself.

  • candymarl

    Call me a conspiracy theorist.  These changing stories/scenarios make me doubt the veracity of the whole thing.  Before anyone calls me a whacko nut job consider that classified ops cannot and will not be confirmed or denied by the participants.  Except of course the assets they supposedly burned. But that makes no sense. Why burn assets of a successful op?

  • Anonymous

    I’m totally with Larry on this one. The only way I can see the Schmidle’s scenario working is if Crockett and Tubbs were sent on the mission instead of the SEALS. Or Goren and Eames. Or Batman and Robin. Or (insert any characters from the CSI franchises here).

    So bogus. Keep picking away at the scab, Larry.

    • Anonymous

      How about Tango and Cash?

      • Anonymous

        OMG! Schmidle, is that you? Posting here on No Quarter? Awesome.

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  • Jrterrier

    oh, no.  did you read this?  of the americans who died today in the afghanistan crash, 20 of them were from the navy seals team that killed osama. 

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/06/afghanistan-helicopter-crash-sources-navy-seals-killed_n_920147.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec3_lnk1%7C84218

  • Jrterrier

    here’s more bull:  Maureen Dowd reports that Hollywood is going to try to get Obama elected . . . again

    “The White House is also counting on the Kathryn Bigelow and Mark Boal big-screen version of the killing of Bin Laden to counter Obama’s growing reputation as ineffectual. The Sony film by the Oscar-winning pair who made “The Hurt Locker” will no doubt reflect the president’s cool, gutsy decision against shaky odds. Just as Obamaland was hoping, the movie is scheduled to open on Oct. 12, 2012 — perfectly timed to give a home-stretch boost to a campaign that has grown tougher.

    “The moviemakers are getting top-level access to the most classified mission in history from an administration that has tried to throw more people in jail for leaking classified information than the Bush administration.

    “It was clear that the White House had outsourced the job of manning up the president’s image to Hollywood when Boal got welcomed to the upper echelons of the White House and the Pentagon and showed up recently — to the surprise of some military officers — at a C.I.A. ceremony celebrating the hero Seals. ”

  • Anonymous

    Can’t believe I am using Dowd, to further this story-also there will be a motion pictured released about the raid:

    http://www.startribune.com/opinion/otherviews/127067228.html?page=all&prepage=1&c=y#continue

  • Driguana

    Don’t mean to be overly conspirational, but this is very interesting, if not disturbing…
    http://barnhardt.biz/

  • Anonymous

    paul craig roberts has posted a new Comment titled: OBL was not thereon Pakistan TV Report Contradicts US Claim of Bin Laden’s DeathTo view the new Comment, please click here:http://www.opednews.com/articles/Pakistan-TV-Report-Contrad-by-paul-craig-roberts-110806-879.html#comment340786#####I am totally, totally, totally confused!!!!!
     

  • murray

    LARR-EEE!!!

    I hope I’m not too late to the party, but you hafta weigh in on this:

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/08/06/breaking-news-bin-laden-troops-probably-murdered-to-keep-them-quiet/

    “Some possibly killed in Abbottabad Helicopter Crash Months Before”

    • murray

      Scrolling down, it looks like about a bazillion people beat me to it…

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  • Boatrightfrank48

    i am a combat vertern and the did what i would have kill them all

  • Anonymous
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  • Libnut

    Sometimes one must break a few terrorists to make an omlett. If good guys playbook says treat thugs like gentlemen and they will cooperate and terrorists KNOW about the kid gloves, they will do lots of things like throw feces,try to kill guards, and other fun Muslim activities since no punishment is forthcoming.  And they will not devulge secrets…what secrets?  We Muslim are here to kill,kill,kill and YOU are here to die die die,infidel.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LJJL7YUEGHHUIFLT6AYWY5CC4E Dbeez1252

    Days after the bin Laden kill, I read an account by a person claiming to be linked to a White House insider. According to this account, President Obama not only did not give the order to initiate the raid on the compound, he didn’t even know about it. Leon Panetta gave the order because he and Gen. Petraeus could not get a simple yes or no from the President to go foward, and they felt that they could not keep the plan secret much longer. They knew that eventually the Pakistanis would find out that we knew where bin Laden was located, so Panetta gave the order (with Petraeus’ cooperation and later with the knowledge and tacit approval of Secretaries Clinton and Gates. The order specified that all U.S. military commands and troops were to obey only orders given by the CIA director, AND, that any orders from the White House were to be ignored and Gen. Petraeus and Secretary Gates also signed off on that order. As it turned out, the mission was a spectacular success, but the President was playing golf at the time word came from the force in the compound that bin Laden was dead. Valerie Jarrett was furious because she had told Petraeus and Panetta NOT to initiate the plan. They did and could lawfully ignor her because she was not and is not the President. Jarrett did attempt to call the mission back from the White House, but obeying the orders they had been given by Gates, Petraeus, and Panetta, the mission went foward, i.e., they ignored the WH order.The reason Obama didn’t get upset about matters is that the mission was a success, but Obama had absolutely nothing to do with it. If this doesn’t square with your information on the subject, Larry, I’m sorry, but it sounds right as rain to me.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LJJL7YUEGHHUIFLT6AYWY5CC4E Dbeez1252

    Days after the bin Laden kill, I read an account by a person claiming to be linked to a White House insider. According to this account, President Obama not only did not give the order to initiate the raid on the compound, he didn’t even know about it. Leon Panetta gave the order because he and Gen. Petraeus could not get a simple yes or no from the President to go foward, and they felt that they could not keep the plan secret much longer. They knew that eventually the Pakistanis would find out that we knew where bin Laden was located, so Panetta gave the order (with Petraeus’ cooperation and later with the knowledge and tacit approval of Secretaries Clinton and Gates. The order specified that all U.S. military commands and troops were to obey only orders given by the CIA director, AND, that any orders from the White House were to be ignored and Gen. Petraeus and Secretary Gates also signed off on that order. As it turned out, the mission was a spectacular success, but the President was playing golf at the time word came from the force in the compound that bin Laden was dead. Valerie Jarrett was furious because she had told Petraeus and Panetta NOT to initiate the plan. They did and could lawfully ignor her because she was not and is not the President. Jarrett did attempt to call the mission back from the White House, but obeying the orders they had been given by Gates, Petraeus, and Panetta, the mission went foward, i.e., they ignored the WH order.The reason Obama didn’t get upset about matters is that the mission was a success, but Obama had absolutely nothing to do with it. If this doesn’t square with your information on the subject, Larry, I’m sorry, but it sounds right as rain to me.

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