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Some of the Latest on Hillary as SecState

By Lena Grove aka nasuS on November 14, 2008 at 1:00 PM in Hillary Clinton, Obama Administration

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(The full image of ALL the stories linked at Memeorandum.com is below the fold, and it’s a beauty.)

I spoke with Larry a bit ago. He’s optimistic about this, and has some positive feelings about her potential status in an Obama White House, but it’s wisest for me to let him tell you all about that. I think this is a very serious move by the Obama people. I also believe that she would make one of the great Secretaries of State ever. (There’s one other possibility that fleetingly passed through my mind — albeit grim. Should something happen to Joe Biden, gven his medical history, this would put Hillary in a perfect position to move up to V.P., and I bet Obama has realized he would much prefer to have her as his V.P. than Biden and a lot of other people.)

Obama realizes Hillary is formidable, but he also realizes that she is so highly capable, that she isn’t consumed by the need to demonstrate how smart she is, that she isn’t a buffoon (as is, sadly, Mr. Richardson, who I once admired from afar), that she isn’t universally hated (as is Mr. Kerry), and that she KNOWS all of the countries of the world. She has been to the most remote countries of Africa and Asia! She knows all the players on the world stage, and much of that history. Oh she’d be good. It is to President-Elect Obama’s great credit if he selects her.

Please stop, just for a few moments, imagining the darker motives that Obama might have. Think instead about the THUNDER SHOCK he got when he got elected, got those scary-as-all-get-out intelligence briefings, talked to the people who’ve actually worked in the White House, toured the White House and got some frightening info, surely, from President Bush. Obama realizes he needs someone with Hillary’s profoundly deep knowledge and good common sense and worldwide connections. Think on the BRIGHT side, if for a moment.

Here’s a screenshot of all the BUZZZZZZZZZZZ in both the MSM and the blogs about our beloved Hillary:


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  • Pat Racimora

    I’m conflicted. I like the idea of her being Secretary of State, BUT I also like the idea of her pushing her wise legislation in Congress.

    • mylifeontheglist

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      Please help raise money to put an ad demanding BO’s BC on USAToday:

      http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/Update/Update2008-11-12.htm

      We can’t have the birth certificate issue die down, please spread the word and make this viral:

      http://mylifeontheglist.com/2008/11/14/be-involved-make-this-viral/

      And please join efforts here:
      http://www.democratic-disaster.com/

      This is a serious matter, guys. We can’t let Barry appoint himself God of this nation. This is dangerous.

      • Lorelai

        Please give it up!!!!!!! [Administrator: Lorelai, I happen to agree with you. But let's starve the off-topic comments by not replying, or instead tell them to post this stuff in the Open Threads. You're a valued reader, and you have influence, and you can help us enforce this rudeness towards our writers. If the info has any worth at all, people will read it in the Open Threads aplenty, and not ruin an otherwise stimulating discussion about Hillary Clinton as SecState.]

        Sheesh. This is the kind of thing that DISCREDITS the Obama opposition. Do you want to be taken seriously or do you want to peddle conspiracies? If the state of Hawaii has said 8 million times that he was born there, what more do you want? And don’t you think Hannity would be talking about this day after day if there was any truth to it??????

        Seriously, the birth certificate thing is just wishful thinking at this point. You have to let it go.

        • Woodhull

          No. It doesn’t “discredit” anyone, except possibly the pres-elect. There are a number of people who have serious doubts about the place of bo’s birth and they should be answered with a long form CLB. bo has only fueled this controversy by posting a known bogus form on kos and by not providing a long form CLB. Ironically, he now has a 7-page questionnaire which asks deeply probing questions of anyone who is seeking an executive-level position in the administration, but he wouldn’t provide any records from Occidental, Columbia, Harvard, the IL state senate, or the CAC (until he was forced to) and only a one-page medical release. Nothing. Why?

    • /www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibsP6XN2dIo&eurl trixta

      I hate to say this, but I think it’s a trap. This is a chess game, Folks, so don’t let sentimentality cloud your critical thinking. Yes, we would like HRC to have some kind of prominence and reward for all that she’s been through, but BO can’t be trusted—ever!

      As some have pointed out, if HRC were to take the Sec of State position she would be replaced with a year or two Kerry or someone else. This would be a two-fold coup for Obama: 1) She would be his scapegoat for all of his international mistakes and 2) she would be out of the Senate (and political scene) once and for all, assuring that she will NOT be this country’s premier Senator.

      • /www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibsP6XN2dIo&eurl trixta

        I meant “within a year or two … “

        • ginaswo

          for me the SoS position is about more than a reward, we have serious shxt going on and need a serious wonk who is a demonstrated hawk to intimidate the world rogues, and Hillary fits that role

          for our nation I want Hill

      • csuzeq

        That is exactly what came to my mind when I heard about this. She would make an awesome secretary of State, but it would also get her out of the Senate. I see Obama coming up with a reason for her to resign after a while. I hope she’s not that stupid or will do it only after she prepares herself for this being the end to her political career. If she is chosen as SOS and it works out, Obama will score a point with me, but the problem is how little I trust the guy so I am not sure how much he has to do to prove to me he knows what he is doing and can be decent. Hillary needs to remember that he refuses to pay off her campaign debt and refuses to put her in charge of Health Care Reform. If things were all peachy with her, that campaign debt would be made to disappear from great wizard Odrama.

        • nancy sabet

          I don’t trust hussien obama, period. Hillary is smart and knows what is going on, so I am sure she will do what she thinks is best for her country and her.

        • getfitnow

          I believe Obama is banking on swaying Hillary supporters by throwing them this bone. As sec of state, she will be obliged to push the president’s agenda, not her own. I hope she stays in the senate.

      • La Compania Volante

        I agree–the SOS serves at the pleasure of the President. He could fire her at any time, use her as a scapegoat for his inevitable foreign policy failures. She’s far more valuable in the Senate, where she could oppose the left’s more radical legislative initiatives, perhaps even organize the “Blue Dog” Democrats into a sensible loyal opposition.

      • mimi

        “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.”

        I don’t trust this at all. This is a final move to discredit her entirely.

        Sorry to be this negative, but I don’t trust this prick one iota.

        But who knows?

        What I do find laughable is this: all of his supporters and Hillary-haters talked about how she had no more foreign policy experience than he did. Of course this isn’t true. But how do they do this with a straight face? And how do all the Hillary-haters and those who called the Clintons racists behave as if this is terrific.

        I’m annoyed. And will remain annoyed until he is out of office. I now agree with the American Idol metaphor. Why not save all this money and let people phone in their votes the way they do on American Idol?

        • RobWarrior

          Actually, Obama is coming to Hillary to bail him out again. The liklihood is that he promised this post to three or four different people already. If any of them got it, the other three would be screaming about broken promises.

          Yet, if Hillary gets it, they can’t say anything. Obama’s folks simply say, she was first in line and no one can argue with that

          It also takes her out of the Senate where she could be a moderate voice and potential challenger to Harry Reid on certain issues. She certainly has the ability to command coverage and were she to oppose the leadership on various issues, it could be problematic.

          So make her Secy of State, get her out of the Senate and let Kerry, Richardson any anyone else who traded an endorsement for the job sit there and stew.

      • socalannie

        I agree. I think this is one of those “keep my friends close & my enemies closer” type of thing. I can’t think of any moves Obama has made that benefit anyone but himself.

        I think Hillary’s talents will be better used for the country as a leader/fighter in the senate. I’d like to see her take on Reid’s job. If she’s part of Barks admin, that in effect neuters her ability to challenge him on any of his wackjob ideas. She would be taken from the domestic issues that are so important to all of us & instead spend her time visiting other countries and/or running State. Let someone else do that. We need Hillary here, fighting for the domestic ideals she has worked on all her career.

        I will be very disappointed if she takes this. It’s not like there would be any important gender significance to her taking it, since she wouldn’t be the first woman to do it.

      • amanda_tx

        mmm, I have to admit this possibility had not occurred to me. Good points. Im conflicted about Hillary accepting this post because Id rather not see her get entwined with the catastrophe of a BO administration, but Im also hoping that she might save his scrawny ass, and ours on the way, since we need a very strong SoS, and his grasp of foreign policy is nil.

    • babinuta48

      I absolutely agree with You! I will love to see as someone more independent, She is to strong to have a boss as Obama…

  • JS Ruby

    She would make a great Sec of State, but I don’t trust BO at all.

    • Ellen D

      I agree. I’m afraid she’d lose her credibility like Colin Powell when she is forced to defend an Obama action that she really disagreed with. Then if it turned out that she just went along, like Powell did it would be the end of her career.

      • NCgirl

        I agree. Obama will use Hillary just as Bush used Powell. Because she would serve at Obama’s pleasure, he would take full advantage of that fact. With all the problems we are facing in the world right now, she would surely be asked to cover for him and fall on her sword in the event things go sour. She doesn’t need to answer to a person with no scruples or character who doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground.

        • nancy sabet

          Oh God, how much we dislike this guy, he just can’t help but to do things that make you more hetful of him.

    • beebop

      The things that bother me:

      1. This “leak?” It smells.
      2. It will all be Hillary’s fault.
      3. It will always be Hillary’s fault.
      4. It will excuse barky when it is Hillary’s fault.
      5. Always hold that carrot out to the “little” woman and then hit her upside the head with the stick.
      6. Did I mention whose fault it will all be?

  • Ani

    I’m very conflicted as well. I have seen nothing from Obama to convince me he has anything but nefarious motives, especially where Hillary is concerned.

    Yeah, she’d be great — we’d be lucky to have her in any leadership role — just be aware that the powers that be — Pelosi, Reid, Obama hate and are jealous of Hillary — she would then be his appointee — at his beck and call and not an elected official — meaning he could blame her and fire her — then no more Hillary.

    I hate to be negative here but I do not trust this guy as far as I can throw him.

    I also find it ridiculous that his entire campaign he pretended she had no foreign policy experience and that she traveled to 80 countries having one big tea party — so now he would be admitting that he lied through his teeth about that, too.

    Uuugh, this is so aggravating.

    • uni.mo

      I agree. As Secretary of State (or any other post in his administration, for that matter), she would serve at his pleasure. Meaning he could fire her whenever he wanted. In the Senate, she has 4 years left to her term. In O’s administration, she might have years, or she might just have a few months, after which she would be out the door with no job and therefor no platform from which to do anything.

      In the Senate, she can actually do something about her own agenda, or at least try to. If the leadership won’t give her any chairmanships or projects to lead (and it’s looking like they won’t) she can still at least have a voice and sponsor legislation and put forward proposals.

      • uni.mo

        Question:

        How much influence and power does a Sec of State really have? I suppose it depends on the individual president and the individual SofS, and their relationship and how much respect the pres has for the person in the SofS role.

        If she works for O, even as Sec of State, how much influence would she have in making foreign policy, and to what extent would she be merely carrying out his foreign policy?

        • Karma

          You know the answers to all of that….

          And here are two words to remind you.

          Colin Powell

          • uni.mo

            Colin Powell is the one I was thinking of when I wrote that. I was trying to get people to think about it though.

            Also Condi Rice.

            • babinuta48

              oh no, not Rice!!!

        • ginaswo

          listen another aspect to look at is how just her apt would alter how OTHER countries see their options

          she is a hawk, they all know it,
          she has Big Dawg connections and years of connections abroad

          she would make a hugely positive impact AND would unite the party, at least me and my small band of merry DEMS who have gone rogue…

      • IndayHill

        uni.mo,I have the same feeling as you and some of the posters here. Senator Clinton is a hard working civic leader, who deserves the best for her efforts in bringing justice to people.She can succeed in the Senate, where she has the control for her future career.As Obama’s appointee, she is under his command. Her future is in his hands.I do not trust Obama and his wife, Michelle.
        If I were Senator Clinton, I will say, “Thank you” but I want to have control of my future.”
        Senator Clinton, I wish you the best.

    • Karma

      Ani,

      That sums up my feelings exactly!

    • Liberty Belle not for Obama

      One of my favorite sayings, and one I’ve said about Obama: I don’t trust him any further than I could throw him either!

      • Seattle Moss

        Nice Moniker Liberty Belle

        When you fear the government you have Tyranny

        When the Government fears the people you have Liberty

        Liberty and Freedom..This is what I learned this year. Without you have nothing

  • Rah-Rah

    Clinton would be fantastic and she has earned an international stage! For all of her talent, intelligence, and expertise, the Senate is becoming small potatoes.

    I would applaud Obama for making this appointment.

  • rjj

    It is a way of neutralizing her politically isn’t it?

    • Tuppence411

      That is the way I see it. It removes Hillary from the domestic policy arena, her strongest suit.

    • ginaswo

      uhm no, she would have much more experience in international affairs after this

      SoS in the current state of affairs will be much more important than NYSen!

      we have global financial meltdown and war on two fronts as well as imminent power plays by Russia/China/Cuba and a nuclear Iran to look at plus whatever we sont know about

      yeah SoS is foreign policy in a time when it is all foreign policy, a NY Jr Sen has no power on that scale

      • Ani

        She would be under Obama’s thumb and his scapegoat — forced to defend his inane policies or be ousted. Not a good idea in my view.

        He is not to be trusted. He has shown that daily.

      • Tuppence411

        If foreign affairs were a predominate factor for voters, McCain would be president not Barky. The fact of the matter is Hillary is looked to as a leader on domestic policy by the people, many dems and quite a few moderate republicans. Didn’t Barky steal all her policies? Didn’t McCain turn to her for advice on a mortagage buy-out?

        He wants to nuetralize her appeal and power as an alternative Dem voice to his domestic proposals. What better way to do that than bring her into the administration, under his control, and directed towards foreign policy?

        Besides, this won’t appease me. This glass ceiling has already been shattered by Albright and Rice.

        • amanda_tx

          The ironic thing is that Hillary would have made a better President than either McCain or Barky, since she had a superior domestic policy AND she had years of experience meeting with foreign leaders in a non-official diplomatic status. Dont care about a glass ceiling at this moment in time, Id just rather not see the world and the US deconstruct, so Hillary would be instrumental in position of foreign policy leader.
          I dont believe Hillary will run for President again. As far as him appointing her only to then fire her that wouldnt be the best move for him, though its true he cant be trusted.

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte

    I’m conflicted, also. If this is just a move by Obama to keep her from running in 2012, I don’t want her anywhere near that liar and thief. But, if Barky is in the WH then we need someone to save the country in the inner circle.

    This is a tough call.

    • Ani

      she can’t run in 2012 anyway unless he resigns or says he is not seeking a second term. When the hell has anyone ever run against the incumbent?

      If he is serious about this, it is just a move to oust her. She is safer in the Senate.

      • http://deleted Buzz Latte

        Four years is a long time…things can change on a dime.

      • Erasmus

        When the hell has anyone ever run against the incumbent?
        Reagan ’76, Kennedy ’80.

        • http://wiskeytangofoxtrotoscar.blogspot.com/ James (San Jose)

          And Kennedy lost against Carter and Regan lost against Ford. And the Both Carter and Ford lost in the General. Very bad ju-ju. HRC is not interested in a Kamikaze run against BHO in 2012.

  • citizenjane

    I think Hill would make a great S. of S., but I personally want her to stay as far away from that man as possible.

  • Mercedes

    And then, of course, there is that comment from Joe Biden during the course of the campaign that Obama will be tested within the first 6 months of his term and that although his decision might not appear to be the right course, it will be and Obama will need support from the public.

    That sounds serious to me and coupled with the financial crisis is doubly foreboding. I think Hillary has had some substantive diplomatic experience in eastern Europe. My guess would be that she might have more respect in certain quarters there than she has in her own country.

    I don’t consider this thinking on the BRIGHT SIDE because there is nothing bright about those kinds of prospects. But when the stakes are high and there are few tenable options, even the most deluded people have to face reality.

    If Obama chooses Hillary for that post, I will definitely temper my opinion of him and his administration (as if that matters to anybody but me and the poor victims who have to listen to my rants).

    • /www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibsP6XN2dIo&eurl trixta

      We shouldn’t “temper our opinion of him,” but rather be ever suspicious and vigilant of his motives.

      • beebop

        BINGO.

  • Typewriterstreaming

    She is enormously qualified for the job, but I am going to have a difficult time not seeing her just slopping up anything Barky throws her way.

  • Mr. X

    Hillary has only gotten more powerful since the primaries. I don’t know what to think about her being Secretary of State. It would be a slap in the face to Kerry and Richardson which would be very cool. But there’s something that isn’t adding up. We know both Clintons hate Obama. So why is she still playing nice? And if she’s in talks, she must want it. What’s really twisted is that Obama’s own people want Hillary. That just smells bad on a nuclear level. Did Obama see something so devastating that he needs Hillary? Under normal conditions, I see no reason why Obama would talk to Hillary at all.

    Something BIG is up. I just don’t know what yet.

    • ginaswo

      well since Medvyvev is going to Cuba and China is going to Cuba and Hamas is still launching rockets at Israel and vice versa, I figure he realizes he needs someone seen as a hawk that has instant stature and support and can bridge diverse views and both sides DO respect her after the campaigns..

      imagine what is going on we DONT know, yeah Kerry? Richardson who didnt know there was a Russia sec council VETO? pulllezze

      whomever he picks it needs to be someone serious and good and to me that is Hillary

    • ben

      The Clintons do not hate Obama at all. You’re just building a straw man and resting all your assumptions on it.

      How about this: Hillary didn’t want to be VP because the job of VP entails nothing. She wanted to be something more powerful and my bet was always that she’d angle for a Supreme Court nomination but perhaps the new Condi Rice would be up her street, too.

    • Karma

      Well the alphabet agencies are moving out of DC.

      And into an area out of the ‘blast zone’.

      Washington Post reported it a couple of years ago.

      The FBI, Coast Guard, FEMA, Homeland Security, and other agencies are discussed in the article.

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/25/AR2006122500637.html

      • Karma

        other unnamed agencies

    • /www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibsP6XN2dIo&eurl trixta

      Also, they’ve been working on HRC through Michelle who called her recently for “advice” on protecting the Obama kids, etc. This is all highly suspicious, considering that the Obamas really hate the Clintons. Why didn’t Michelle call Laura Bush on this matter? After all, she has stated publicly that she “admires” and holds First Lady Laura Bush as a role model.

      Rest assured, they will use HRC and Bill— i.e. plumb their brains and knowledge— than spit them out.

      BTW, I think Rove is still advising Obama. I mean, wouldn’t it be in the GOP’s best interest to have HRC out of the Senate or the political scene altogether?

      THERE’s A BIGGER PICTURE HERE, FOLKS!

      • mimi

        Michelle called Hillary?

        I thought the Clintons were racists?

        I’m NEVER going to let that one die.

        Got it?

        • Ani

          Brava — me neither.

        • Wisewoman

          Me either. Never, ever will I let it go. Oh now Obama you need the two racists to campaign to help you win? Take positions in your administration to help you govern? This AA female Hillary supporter says f— you now and forever.

          • mimi

            Wisewoman,

            This AA Hillary supporter says the same.

            You are very wise, indeed.

  • Maria3

    Stay in the Senate Hillary that is where you will have Power!!! Not as Ovomit’s employee

    • bystander

      What power does a Junior senator with no seniority have? She’d have to wait 15 – 20 years for a committee chairmanship.

  • gmanedit

    Isn’t this the real issue going forward — do those who never found him trustworthy now decide to trust him?

    • ginaswo

      I trust HER, so in that sense yes it would change my feelings and make me more optimistic about the future

    • jjsmoof

      I find myself thinking this as well. What are the blogger boyz saying? IF they like it then its bad news.

  • Marilyn

    It’s not going to happen.

  • Marilyn

    It’s not going to happen. Obama lies as easily as we breathe.

    • ginaswo

      this would be an incredibly STUPID move on his part, to loudly float her in a trial balloon if he had no intentions of following thru on any role for her

      it would reopen wounds still not healed frankly, it certainly wouldnt help unite people in the party behind him as he enters an incredibly difficult 100 days..

      his people are not politically stupid so I think she is a serious candidate

      • hadenough

        That’s the point. Think 3:00am text message.

        And see the video 2 posts below where maddow says: Gee it would be and insult to float Hillary’s name and then not pick her

        Exactly. They are children.

        • DAB

          I agree that he kind of HAS to pick Hillary now but you never know about the guy. It may just offer him one more opportunity to stick his finger in her eye and/or flip the bird.
          He could always say that her 7-page application form exposed too many skeletons and his hands are tied.

          Who knows what this guy is thinking!

          I, like many of you, have very mixed emotions about this scenario. I would like to see Hillary as Senate Majority Leader instead of Harry Reid who has been ineffective. My vindictive side also wants to see the Dems fail but I know that if they do, that we’re all in deep doo doo. What a serious mess this whole thing is!

          • /www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibsP6XN2dIo&eurl trixta

            Really, it’s not about Republicans vs. Democrats anymore. There is something more sinister going on, since the same fascist elements who installed GWB in power are also behind Obama. There really hasn’t been a change of power so much as a change of players. I think the “economic crisis” and bailouts are proof of this, since both Parties are complicit in in the economic downturn.

            Anyway, according to WhatReallyHappened.com we’re getting closer to a one world government. The US, Canada, Central America, and Latin America will soon be using the AMERO as our currency to compete with the Euro. Rockefeller has some good things to say about that.

            • Alice Paul WPB

              I believe you might be right. I think everyone agreed on who was going to win this year. By everyone I mean Dems & Repubs alike.

        • ginaswo

          yes just watched them and they nailed this down nicely

          :0)

        • mimi

          Yes, he is a child. A spoiled brat child, at
          that!

          Go ahead 0bama… give me yet another reason to despise you. Keep piling up the shit heap.

          Float her name around and then pick someone else. Act like it was her who didn’t want the job. Blame Bill Clinton’s conflict of interest.

          We know the drill, how you operate.

          You think people are pissed now, see what happens if you don’t pick her after this.

      • csuzeq

        Well, he doesn’t think or care about what others feel. he is an NPD, it’s all about him.

  • ginaswo

    we certainly need her in this role, and Hillary has never said no when she knows the country needs her..

    Baucus seems to have healthcare well in hand with Kennedy and Hill is shut out

    she didnt get a subcmte chair as I had hoped

    she is a hawk, yay! and hopefully will cause Iran to think again, harken back to her wipe them off the map/obliterate them, love that strength on Israel

    and frankly it would do a helluva a lot to soothe me anyway

  • Marilyn

    If it’s good for the country, Obama will not do it.

    • Janet in Texas

      But it might be good for BO — he could hide his weaknesses behind her.

  • Silver

    I’m tired of thinking negative, and I’d like to start thinking good about the world and this upcoming administration. How can we expect the economy to turn around if everything is doom and gloom??? I don’t want to chuck in my my job, my savings, my retirement, my kids’ future—just so I can point my finger at people who voted for Obama and say, “I told ya so!!”

    Hillary would be fantastic at ANYTHING she chose to do!! The fact that she is being considered for this post tells me that Obama is at least giving her the respect that she is due, and that her amazing intelligence and capabilities are being acknowledged. Yes, indeed, there is a light at the end of the tunnel after this long, dark election.

    • ginaswo

      I totally agree with you, this is excellent news IMO!
      I would prefer we not return to the middle ages and get bombed and tank the economy any further, and Obamas apparent willingness to move away form radical left positions to centrist moderate positions and accept team members from the Clintons Admin is for me a great thing.

      here’s hoping it comes thru :0)

    • Lorelai

      Exactly. I feel the same way. I’m at the point now where I’m just tired of fighting with my friends and family that voted for BO. I actually WANT this presidency to be a success. That’s what’s best for the country. I want him to fix the economy and end the war and bring us back from the disaster of the Bush years. And obviously, that’s what Hillary wants too. I know she will help him in any way that she can.

      • C.S.

        That’s where you and I part company because you can’t choose the least qualified person for a job and then hope that he will be responsible enough to hire someone more qualified to come in and rescue him; thereby making himself look even less qualified.

        We have George W. Bush as a prime example of the Peter Principle; why would we risk another mediocre man of mystery falling below the low bar set by Bush?

        You can’t expect a different result in 2012 without shoring up the Constitutional foundation that The Democratic party took a sledgehammer to in 2008.

        • Newly Independent

          Exactly.

          And as much as I can’t stand Bush, he didn’t cause all of these serious problems by himself. Many corrupt Democrats went right along with many of Bush’s schemes – including Barack Obama himself.

          Obama is just like Bush. Which is why America is in serious trouble right now – with the very real potential to get much worse in the next four years. It would be nice to “hope” otherwise, but I live in the real world. And “hope” will not necessarily make it so.

    • rjj

      That is a lovely sentiment.

      What about reality?

      • mimi

        They depend on people to get tired.

        Well I’m not. Maybe because I refuse to discuss politics and fight with people. It’s so much better to let the events unfold.

        If this happens, I won’t rag Hillary. But I am going to play close attention and am going on record as saying this is a trap.

        0bama can forget it when it comes to me. I certainly want the country to get better. I certainly don’t want him to be worse than Bush.

        But I will NEVER like him! He stole the nomination. He called the Clintons racists. He exploited the AA community.

        Even if he does a good job. I will never forgive him for that. I am not a “the ends justifies the means” kind of person.

        • C.S.

          Very well put mimi. This democracy needs fewer appeasers and a lot more like you.

        • Ani

          Agreed.

          • Erasmus

            Agreed

        • jjran

          THANK YOU!THAT IS EXACTLY HOW I FEEL!

    • /www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibsP6XN2dIo&eurl trixta

      Don’t forfeit your critical thinking faculties for wholesale “positive thinking.” This is no time to get sentimental about BO. Save that for HRC or for your family and friends. Remember, democracy doesn’t just happen — an informed citizenry makes it happen.

      We must be EVER VIGILANT!

  • Dutch

    If it’s good for the country, Obama will not do it. It just will not happen.

  • TMendez

    Obama is not considering HRC as Secretary of State. He got a lot of grief from HRC supporters when he didn’t even consider her for VP, and now he wants to show that he is at least considering her. I hate to be so cynical, but can’t help it where Obama is involved.

    • Lorelai

      Actually, I hadn’t thought of that….

      Gee. You make a lot of sense. He may just be going out of his way to make her feel included, even if she really isn’t.

      • IndayHill

        Lorelai, ouch !! that is double whammy for HRC & her supporters, not mentioning for decent, civil people!
        It is really a tough decision for HRC, IF Obama decides to give her the position of SoS.She will be Obama subordinate, instead of vice-versa.But her patriotism to her country might prevail over her ambition.
        We wish you GOOD LUCK & BEST OF WISHES, Senator Clinton.

  • http://www.democratic-disaster.com//index.php?topic=286.0 missy

    I thought he promised this position to Jesse Jackson.
    Hillary, don’t go there, we need you to stay independant from this administration.

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte

    Obama is just a puppet. He’s a brand and it’s too bad the retail sales of him didn’t plummet before the election. We’ll lose this great country if he is allowed to screw up by incompetent sycophants.

    The country needs Hillary. If he’s smart (which we know is debatable), he’ll put true leaders in his cabinet. Since Obama is just a nothing, we’ll need people in the top tier that actually KNOW what they are doing.

    Obama – already in the running for Worst President Ever!

  • suzeeQ

    B.O. has got Rahm buzzing in his ear now and Rahm loves the Clintons, so it might be a go. I hate to see her in any type of subordinate position to O’WorshipMe, too.

  • Elliott

    No. She should not have to flunky for this guy. He put her through hell and disrespected her in every way imaginable. This is how you get rid of the competition. Merge (put her in the Cabinet) then get rid of her next year after she is out of the Senate. SOS does what they are told to do, US Senators do not.

    • suzeeQ

      that is basically what O’Reilly (of all people) was saying last night. Never thought I’d be quoting him! He said that the SOS serves at the pleasure of the prez, and the senators are on equal footing. I’m not sure that I agree that Senators are on equal footing but they do have a lot more leeway than than the toady SOS.

  • tillthen

    he is for sale. The price $15MM to pay off her campaign debt. The snakes in Obama’s camp are working out just how much they can tie her up for that price. Its all about the money. The country means nothing to this empty pants-suit.

    Wise legislation? What legislation? Even her husband says that all of her programs came from him, even the medicare debacle, and he admits it was his fault. She is just as much a fraud as Obama, and for all of the empty-headed HRC fans out there, do not accuse me of being a troll. I have been on this site and a contributor since last winter. Your unflagging loyalty is a dead give-away for either a lack in judgement or a plethora of blind idolatry for whatever psychological hang-ups you have. She is not worthy of respect on any level. The last straw for me was the stumping for the Evil One…and don’t give me the story about political exigencies. America first, and I will do whatever I can to help women achieve fairness and unconditional respect but, for that woman, never in a position of public trust.

    What is frightening about this woman, is the number of citizens who are drinking her flavor of KOOL-Aid. She and Obama are so similar. They care about no one. Whatever it is you want to buy, she’ll sell.

    • suzeeQ

      sadly I agree with you on several points…but we need to stop & keep reminding ourselves that these are all POLITICIANS & they all have a self-serving, political agenda. Any of us that get too heavily invested, emotionally or otherwise in these people are delusional & will be disappointed sooner or later. They all offer their own flavor of Kool-aid (as you put it) and we are the fools for buying into it so fanatically. I repeat…they are ALL POLITICIANS.

      • csuzeq

        Are you trying to steal my name bot? I have a bot swatter and I am not afraid to use it.

      • C.S.

        So you are rejecting Soertoro/Obama and his devious tactics? And you are admitting that political parties run by politicians have no Constitutional standing and thwart the Will of the People to elect good public servant caretakers of our nation? If so, then welcome to our democracy. If not, then what gave you your first clue that “politicians” didn’t have your best interests in mind when they asked for your vote?

    • ginaswo

      man you guys have CDS bad huh?

      she JUST got an AMD plant opening for upstate NY with THOUSANDS of jobs you tool

      she puts COUNTRY FIRST

      this is why I stopped coming here, the frakkin Hillary haters

    • Karma

      With all due respect, I think you are missing the point.

      Hillary IS a politican. All of your complaints are about issues directly related to her job.

      It is like whining the fisherman smells like fish.

      LOL

    • /www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibsP6XN2dIo&eurl trixta

      So what! HRC is still better than BO by a 1000 times! I’ll drink HRC KoolAid any day—at least its NOT made of artificial sweetners. Hers has substance!

      As all politicians, the Clintons were not perfect, but they are patriots. Obama is an opportunist and not really beholden to any ideology. Scorbough this morning said as much, but in a nice way by calling Obama “post-ideological.”

    • memi

      Till then

      Why don’t you go to an Obamaphonic well or a McCain treatment plant and start drinking whatever ails you, imbecile!

      For you to make your asinine, vindictive assertions proves that you’re not only a Hillary-hater but an accomplished liar and venom producer of the same class as Bushie.

      Take a hike, moron. And go tell it on the mountain–wherever it is located in your peabrain, you impecunioius dunderheaded basement dweller of dubious mental acuity.

  • Rah-Rah

    One more comment on this:

    If, as was reported on NQ, Kerry did approach Hillary during the Primary and offer to endorse her if she would give him SOS, to which she said no… And then, if, as reported, Kerry approached Obama with the same offer and Obama said he would consider Kerry as SOS, I would sooo love the big FU to Kerry (a man I used to support) when Hillary decides to accept this position.

    And for those of you who believe the Senate more powerful than SOS, consider this: If Condi Rice were to suddenly run for the Senate, would you not see that as a step backwards from her present position?

    SOS is a different stage with immense possibility, and Hillary would make it an even more powerful position than it already is.

    I’m not making nice with Obama, but this would be a very smart move on his part.

    • tillthen

      What an interesting story, Rah-Rah. Yeah, I like the Perry/Hillary twist. Except I have a tough time accepting her as a credible SOS. She would be ridiculed everywhere.

      • Rah-Rah

        ridiculed how and why and by whom? i don’t agree with you at all.

        i supported clinton because she is scary-smart…i don’t think for a second she is going to do something she does not see as a positive for herself and for the country; she doesn’t settle for sloppy seconds.

    • uni.mo

      If Condi Rice were to suddenly run for the Senate, would you not see that as a step backwards from her present position?

      No.

      • Rah-Rah

        seriously? condi rice goes from secretary of state to senator from her, say, home state of alabama? and you see that as a step up? no offense to the state of alabama, or any other state, but i think you are overestimating the senate (lower approval rating that bushie) and underestimating what senator clinton could do as secretary of state.

        i see all of clinton’s faults, but i think she would have an enormous impact.

    • rjj

      Condi Rice were to suddenly run for the Senate, would you not see that as a step backwards from her present position?

      No.

      Accepting SOS would be volunteering for scapegoat duty. She would be blamed for mismanagement of whatever catastrophe comes next.

      • Rah-Rah

        give her some credit. she is not colin powell.

      • /www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibsP6XN2dIo&eurl trixta

        I agree! HRC would be the scapegoat here as SOS.

        There are too many negatives for HRC concerning the SOS position. I don’t think it would be wise for her to take it—especially during Obama’ first years as a president.

  • POdVet

    I suspect he may very well choose her, and here’s my reasoning. Hillary more than anyone else knows how “anonymous sources” leaking information from inside an administration can damage the agenda. If Barack truly wants to get any of those things he campaigned on done, he is going to need someone in his administration who knows where the likely leaks will come from. And also knows how to close them, Hillary could do that! She also has a position she and Barack could point too incase Biden’s “warning” comes true and Obama is tested and people wonder if he’s responding in the wrong way. I know he lambasted her over her Iraq vote, but the truth of it is, her speech before she cast her vote is still not widely known. He could point to that speech as proving her good judgment on such matters while still not admitting he intentionally misled people calling her out on it. He could simply say she should have KNOWN not to trust Bush! While this might be a little prod at Hillary if it happened, it’s nothing she couldn’t deal with. He also has a sticky situation to deal with because he promised both Kerry and Richardson the S.of S. job. Choosing Hillary to “re-unite” the party would go a long way to mollifying both of them.

    There is also a rather large block of women in the US who are not happy with the DNC and MSM’s treatment of Sarah Palin. And blogs everywhere are calling for a more prominent roll for women in the Obama administration. If he fails to address this, then 2012 will see Sarah Palin as a nearly unstoppable force as the Republican nominee. We know Barack loves to pander to large groups he may need at a later time, this would most certainly do that.

    • csuzeq

      I am conflicted about this issue as I wrote above one view, but here is another. He may very well offer her SOS because she knows things about him. When someone can do damage to your image image, you may want to keep them where you can watch them and have a vested interest in them. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Then he would not be able to fire her either becasue she has the goods on him. I may like Hillary as SOS.

      We’ll see what happens, but I think if she accepted SOS, we could determine she has something on him because Hillary would not make herself that vulnerable otherwise.

  • Andrew P

    As a New Yorker I want her in the Senate. No good will to come to her through further association with Obama. He isn’t ready for the presidency and he’ll disgrace himself. He’ll take his people down with him. Richardson is perfect. The MSM is pointing out that he is Hispanic, as if that’s a qualification for the job. But of course, in the new order, it is. Why not Oprah? Why not Whoopi?

  • TorchWood

    This is a total set-up. Obama doesn’t want Hilary as Sec of State, HE WANTS HER HUSBAND. They do come as a pair y’know, and the Big Dawg is the most popular former US President abroad.

    This looks like the ultimate 2-for-1 deal in terms of foreign diplomacy for Obama AND he neutralizes a potential 2012 challenger.

    Hilary, run as far away from this as fast as you can.

    • Betty Lou

      Can you imagine being such a wuss, you’re afraid to even have a woman in the room, so to speak?

      Now that is pussy.

      • babinuta48

        can You imagine Pelosi with Hillary. Pelosi want power for Herself, She Hates Hillary. Pelosi is selfish as far as I can see, and She will not stand another woman especjaly Hillary in Her face!!!

      • /www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibsP6XN2dIo&eurl trixta

        I take issue here. Obama is not a “pussy”; he’s a wet noodle.

        PUSSY POWER!

    • mimi

      Hate to say it, but I agree, Torchwood.

      He wants Bill. In Hillary, he gets the both of best worlds. He appeases women in one fell swoop, thus neutralizing Palin and he gets a former POTUS who is a hightly seasoned pro. This guy is clueless about what he’s doing. And I think he’s not enjoying Biden’s so-called foreign policy expertise.

      I don’t trust 0bama.

      NOT AT ALL!

  • Betty Lou

    Your unflagging loyalty is a dead give-away for either a lack in judgement or a plethora of blind idolatry for whatever psychological hang-ups you have

    I disagree with your assessment, just because you say so, or adopt a pattern of rhetoric, without showing credible reasoning, doesn’t mean you’re right, or your opinion viable.

    I mean, you can kook your way to your death, so to speak, no amount of intellectual pretension can hide a flawed theory, or flawed intelligence, pretty easy to tell.

    BTW, no one embraces Clinton as Jesus, she was legitimate candidate, smart enough to govern the country, somehting Obama, and his followers, and the neocons, and their followers, aren’t.

    Shes’ not perfect, she’s just not a stupid tool.

    Sorry.

  • Baba Rum Raisin

    Anone who thinks this can actually come to pass has seen too many re-runs of, “The West Wing.”

    • ginaswo

      well baba, since Larry ODonnell helped advise the campaign, and many of Axelrasputin memes came straight out of the last season, that just makes it MORE likely in my book, with Hillary in the Alan Alda role, yep

      • Baba Rum Raisin

        O’Bannon (the only way I can speak Its Name) naming HRC Sec of State is like Jimmy Carter making BILLY Carter “Ambassador to Bang-the-Desk.”

        Out of sight, out of mind, and OUT of the Running.

        I am certain that O’Bannon is so full of himself that he doesn’t feel the need for a Sec of State and will prefer to Wheel and Deal with whomever on his own…no preconditions.

        And, RE: Alan Alda
        Remember at the Emmies in 1983 when he and Phil Donahue got into a fistfight backstage over which one of the, was more…”sensitive?…”

  • trist

    I don’t believe for one sec “that one” wants her as SOS. What I am certain of is he delights in doing what ever he can to hurt those he has grudges against, like kicking people off his plane, or cutting off tv reporters who don’t play his game, or sending out his hit squad to squelch free speech. Not to mention what he does to his competitors. And Hillary being his chief one, can count herself as personal enemy #1.

    He wants her out of Wash. period. leaking this rumor does 2 things, when Hillary rejects it, she’ll come off looking as the bad guy, against the ever generous messiah, and her pettiness will be used against her in 2 yr when he tries to run someone against her for her senate seat in 2010.
    If by some horror she actually took it. I think he would assure her tenure failed so he’d have reason to fire her leading to his ultimate goal, her expulsion from DC.

    The man is malicious and until and unless he under goes a monumental change shouldn’t be trusted.

    Hillary stay far away!

    • Betty Lou

      Like Rove, like Cheney?

      What happened, there?

      Where the hell are these people, planet kook?

    • Ani

      Her seat in the Senate is not up for re-election til 2012.

  • SJ

    It is a set up who do you feel will shoulder the blame if anything goes wrong with his plans to end the war in Iraq and start a new front in Pakistan?

  • tillthen

    Obama is already an embarrassment, and in the eyes of the world she would redouble it. She will be the butt of jokes where ever she goes.

    I can see the cartoonists world-wide licking their chops waiting for this empty pants-suit to cross their borders. Believe me, the sniper fire will be just one of many spring-boards for their sharp tongues and styli of biting observations awaiting this disingenuous Obot tool. She reeks of the phony and they will seize upon it. She will never pass herself off as a statesman, uh, statesperson. What wrong with the spell check? It won’t accept ‘statesperson’. How outrageously un-PC.

    • Betty Lou

      Obama is already an embarrassment, and in the eyes of the world she would redouble it. She will be the butt of jokes where ever she goes.

      ——–
      Right.

      Who would you want watching you back, Obama, or Clinton?

      Be honest.

      • tillthen

        If you water-boarded me, her, of course.

    • /www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibsP6XN2dIo&eurl trixta

      Obama could just make up another Uncle-who-freed-the-Jews-from-Auschwitz story to distract us all.

  • Alice Paul WPB

    Look I’ve said this elsewhere, this was all worked out after the primaries and he needed both of them to win the election.

    Do you think she sold her soul for nothing? Then you don’t know the Clintons very well.

    I am ecstatic. I feel more comfortable about the safety of Israel and between her and most of her staff being in the White House, who do you think is going to be running the show?

    BO owes her big time. She and Bill are the only reason he won.

  • http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com OBAMA IS A FRAUD

    If this is happening NOW, after Obama has spit on Hillary for months and months…I believe it’s because he’s scared to death and FINALLY knows he can’t do this job. He has been stealing from the Clintons forever, and now he has the old Clinton staff heading to the White House. I am conflicted on this as well. I don’t want to see Hillary playing indentured servant to Obama AT ALL. And I think it’s a smack in her face STILL that she should have the job of POTUS and he stole it. Nevertheless, it’s the one thing that might keep me from leaving the country. I would feel a little safer with Hillary around in some position of influence. Although I do doubt this will happen.

    • Betty Lou

      It’s important to always put the country first, there is no ideal, ever, whether democratic, or republican.

      Certainly no one wants to be the bitter ex, using the kids to fight the former husband, or wife.

      That’s just sick.

  • WasLNbutNoBamaBotsKeepStealingMyName

    Wow…I don’t know what to think. I agree that Hillary would be simply awesome as Secretary of State and would bring some much needed wisdom to the ovomit cabinet. Oh the other hand, I don’t trust Himself as far as I could throw him, and that’s not very far.

  • Kathleen Wynne

    Hillary would have made an even greater president!

    Remember, if she is offered and accepts the SOS position, she serves at obama’s pleasure. Any mistakes in foreign policy, no matter what the circumstances, would be blamed on Hillary.

    By offering her SOS, obama effectively ends any chance that Hillary would run against him in 2012.

    I have no doubt Hillary would be a formidable SOS, I just don’t trust obama and his merry men of misogyny, whom I believe would like to get Hillary out of the way, once and for all. This way they can do it without appearing as if it was deliberate. Obama will be made to look magnanimous by offering it to her, but Hillary will be walking in a political mind field if she accepts.

    For one reason, Hillary is a real threat to an agenda that’s being pushed by Soros and Brezinski to finally implement a one world government. This concept has been around for a long while and obama is just the front man to help them succeed.

    Another curious thing. Have you guys noticed that both Soros and Brezinski have been making the rounds in the MSM lately? They were virtually invisible until obama was safely the president-elect. It’s even more telling that Ayers and Wright have suddenly been accepting interviews with the media. Why the sudden desire to be front and center?

    IMO, Hillary is taking a real risk in accepting a cabinet position in obama’s admin., because she will be the scapegoat for everything that goes wrong, foreign or domestic. We all know that the MSM will gladly lend a helping hand in discrediting her whenever possible, in order to keep obama from taking the blame and to keep the illusion intact that obama is actually calling the shots.

    I say, “don’t do it, Hillary!” Run against him in 2012.

    • Karma

      Great points….

    • rjj

      I said same thing upthread before I found this post. Did not say it as well, though.

    • csuzeq

      She won’t run against him in 2012. She kissed butt for the party in 2008 and will have to do so again then. Her shot would be 2016 and she’ll be ready to retire then.

      With Barrakula in the white house, Hillary will never be POTUS. Sadly, that is the reality.

      • Steve1

        Never say never in politics, Richard Nixon, “Won’t around to kick anymore-went on to get elected-twice! In politics, anything can happen.

        • Steve1

          be

  • SJ

    Oh the games people play, power really corrupts, is this not the same Hillary that was wrong on the war and not able to answer the 3am phone call, kind of strange all of a sudden Obama finds that she is the most capable in foreign affairs.

  • bayareavoter

    I just can’t help thinking that people would see SOS as a real conflict of interest regarding Bill’s international foundation and contacts.

    So if she is offered or accepts the position does it also put a muzzle on the Big Dawg which is what Bambi would want to do?

  • serena

    I hope Hillary tells him and the Dems to fuck off. She should never ever let her guard down around these assholes.They hate her and Bill and would love nothing more than to wipe them off the political map.

    Don’t do it Hillary. Remember how they treated you in the primary?You won the most votes and they stole delegates from you to give to him. They wouldn’t even allow a role call vote that was always par for the course with the men candidates. They have not and will not change.

    Run away from them. Stay in the senate where you can do the most good.Please don’t fall for their trap

    • ben

      I seem to remember in the DNC Hillary called off the roll call vote and motioned to declare Obama the nominee by acclamation? [ADMINISTRATOR: Ben, we banned you once before, and are doing it again. Crack open those books at UC Davis, and get some studying done.]

      • http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com OBAMA IS A FRAUD

        Troll…she was FORCED to step down. ROFLMAO where do they get you people?

      • Karma

        Nevermind they had to hold the real roll call in secret and shut that down too when it got too close.

        LOL….none are so blind as those who will not see.

  • SJ

    That is sure a quick way to get her to leave the Senate I wonder who Obama has in mind for that spot

    • Betty Lou

      Conversely, if she, or they, see this as something more than cynical politics, you know, someone who can actually do the work, for once, it can only be a win for the country.

      The democrats, unlike the neocons, do have viable talent.

      But, who knows, Clinton isn’t perfect, either.

  • mel

    There is no bright side for anyone who will be “serving at the pleasure of the POTUS” when that POTUS is Obama.

    The only bright side out of any of this would be for Obama in bolstering his inexperience and ignorance of matters as stated by the President of France.

    Hold true to MLK’s words of “charater over skin color” unlike the election proved and let this person with sewer sludge character sink alone and not have his character bolstered by those he used every lowlife tactic in the elections to defeat, since he could offer nothing of principle to defeat them, only dirty street talk which was greeted enthusiastically by the mental kids of the nation to promote a lowlife to the position of POTUS!

  • Woodhull

    I think it’s all just a lot of talk — just like so much of bo’s talk. Look for the catch because there’ll be one. With bo there ALWAYS is.

    Besides, I’m already feeling a little “played” by HRC and the Clintons. If this turns into “politics as usual” and the remarks about Bill’s racism and the finger salute to HRC and “99 Problems” and all the rest of it was just theater, then we’ve all been played — no matter how we voted.

  • Sarracuda

    He didn’t even consider him for Vice President because he didn’t want the Clintons down the hall now he is thinking about her being Secretary of State, PLEASE, he is not gonna pick her, and if he does, it’s just so that he can place the blame on her if some terrorist attack happens. They will blame the Clintons like the some McCain staff members blame Sarah Palin. I thought Obama was about “change” instead he is bringing back all of the people that worked under Clinton, I guess this guy was never about change at all

  • Sassy

    Senator Clinton is more than qualified, and would be an immediate asset.
    However, since she will be linked to that one, for the rest of her career, she would be wise to decline!
    I would have preferred that the Clintons stayed away from the pretender, but they chose a different course.
    I am no longer a supporter, although I still think they are very talented people!

  • SJ

    People can say what they want but the fact is that America has elected a man as POTUS that does not know one crap about anything. He is going to surround his self with people and sit back and watch on, while delegating for the next four years.

    If they are successful he will get all the praise as the greatest president that ever lived. Now I see McCain jumping into the act and meeting with Obama on Monday, my god and Republican still wonder why they lost.

  • Sara

    Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State… Not likely if Hillary has some common sense left…
    November 14, 2008 by PUMA Pundit
    Well, what can I say. If Hillary Clinton is hell bent on putting a nail in her own political coffin, so be it.

    For a woman who is a sitting Senator, serving at the pleasure of the people of New York to trade that position to be the Secretarty of State serving at the pleasure of Barack Obama. Well, bigger political miscalculations have happened in the history of the Republic.

    If Hillary accepts, and I hope she doesn’t, she will literally bring an end to her political career, and join the league of political has beens like that other former Secretary of State, Colin Powell. It was vastly experienced and respected Powell, who squaneded whatever respect and goodwil he may have had when he went in front of the UN and misrepresented lied about the true state of affairs vis-a-vis Iraq on behalf of the inexperienced and inept George W. Bush…

    So Hillary, if our advice means anything to you, and with your going all out for Barack Obama during the campaign, it’s hard to say that it does, please stay in the Senate and serve this country. This is infinitely better than engaging in crass political opportunism and serving Barack Obama as his Secretary of State…

    Posted by PUMA Pundit

    http://www.puma08.com/2008/11/14/hillary-clinton-as-secretary-of-state-not-likely-if-hillary-has-some-common-sense-left/#comment-5936

    • OhioMary

      I agree with your comments. If she serves as SOS and he asks her to do something she is not willing to do – then what – she steps down and and she is out – which IMO is just what he wants.

  • babinuta48

    I dont trust Obama and His intention toward Hillary, He is looking at Her as potential candidate for 2012 election. But, I hear that She wont run, ans I agree with Her…

    • Sarracuda

      Obama isn’t worried about Hillary anymore, he is too busy having nightmares of the Baracuda coming in 2012 and ripping him a new ass

      • wodiej

        LOL…good one

  • ritamary

    I think Hillary should stay in the Senate. As Secretary of State she can be fired at any time. And I doubt if Michelle has stopped hating Bill. That would be rather awkward being in constant contact with her.

  • Kathleen Wynne

    ben,

    regarding his Kenyan birth, it’s all about being truthful and transparent. These are the high flown qualities upon which obama ran. People, with the help of the MSM, believed him and took him at his word. A gift never offered to Hillary or Palin or McCain! Obama ran on being above politics as usual and proved to be nothing but politics as usual in the end!

    Obama came to power under the most corrupt political machine — the Chicago Daley machine — which doesn’t allow any politician in Chicago to rise to power without the explicit approval and help of Daley, himself. With that approval comes complete allegiance to the party leaders in complying with their demands with regard to who gets into power and who doesn’t.

    Hardly change I can believe in.

  • Patience

    I think HRC could help repair the shaky relationship Obama has with Israel (as well as women, of course). And since so many old WJC hands are on deck in the Obama administration, she may have an advantage.

    But, as pointed out, she will serve at his pleasure. I read an article just yesterday about how Romney will have a harder time remaining a viable 2012 candidate because he no longer holds elective office. Could this SOS appointment be an avenue to ultimately neutralize HRC?

    Another thing (OT but still related to foreign affairs) has been worrying me. Remember the LA TIMES item about the video where Obama attended the banquet honoring Rashid Khalidi? The video was rumored to be provided by a pro-Palestinian member of the AAAN (Arab American Action Network), Ali Abunimah, because of concern about Obama’s pro-Israel campaign rhetoric. I’ve been wondering if the video leak was essentially a blow across the bow, a warning to Obama about his stance on Israel.

    Obama associated with several anti-Israel/anti-Semitic parties in his past. My fear is that these associations could come back to haunt him somehow, and add to Middle East tension.

  • candymarl

    I think many are skeptical because some gave GWB the benefit of the doubt as a “uniter” and an anti-war Republican in 2000.

    Hillary was denied a subcommittee chairmanship. She’s a second term Senator yet Obama got a subcommittee during his first term.

    If I were Hillary I would say “no”. She can outshine Obama from the Senate (see her economic plan).

  • somerset

    If H. Clinton takes SOS, it is always the bridesmaid, never the bride. In the short term this, of course, would be better for obama’s term. In the long term, it indicates that you can destroy the democratic process and get away with it. I would say suffer now without her rescuing him, and see to it that qualified women and men get elected from now on instead of this media-driven fraud.

  • Grrrr

    I want to see women in higher positions in govt. So, it is difficult but I must concur w/ the other readers that it is all that they think it might be or worse.
    However, the suggestion that she may be selected as SoS is vindication for much of the horrible things that were said about her by bots while she was running for Prez – ie – that her trips abroad didn’t count for much.
    The fact that she visited 80+ countries, has pursued a better quality of life for those at home and abroad is substantial. That she has been doing it for the past 30 years makes her a better person than umm, you know.

  • wodiej

    great post…

    what is this supposed to be, some kind of consolation prize?? Fuck that. Obama can’t do this without the Clintons. I guess he is thinking if he has their wind behind his back, the people who remember the Clinton years, will get behind him and forget all about what a fraud he is. Count me out, If they do give Hillary Sec. State, I hope she is allowed to have an impact but I am not counting on it.

  • Steve1

    This is a total set-up. I hope Clinton does not take role. Screw Barry Soetoro…let him fail on his own. I don’t care if he is suppose to be the 1st Black prez……his actions durinf the primaries, his lies, his personal behavior should not be overlooked. We are in for a terrible four years. Clinton, should wait till 2012. She should be the presz….she should have been the VP choice. F88k Barry Soetoro. Now, lets all play nice, look the crumbs we are giving you!

    • Steve1

      during…..F**K

  • Patti

    By offering her SOS, obama effectively ends any chance that Hillary would run against him in 2012.

    I think her quest for the WH ended November 4th. In my warped fantasy life the only way she runs again is if

    A. He pulls an LBJ.
    B. He sucks so bad, that ALL the democrats BEG her
    to run for President in 2012.

    The other question is if he is serious about it *(I have my doubts)* and she accepts. What happens to her Senate seat.. Damn I will have to check into this.

  • Steve1

    I hope Hilary stays in the senate. She will have much more power and influence. She will be used by the thug Soetoro, throw under the bus at his will, blamed for any mistakes, eliminated as a contender for the 2012 election. Barry Soetoro is not to be trusted!

    • Steve1

      thrown..

  • EightBelles

    If Obama had his druthers, he would ask Joe Biden to step aside for health reasons so Sen Clinton could be tapped to assume the role of VP. Likewise, in an ideal world, the DNC and RBC would admit the nomination process left much to be desired and let the chips fall where they may. As we know, the world we live in is a far cry from ideal, while honesty and integrity took a hike during the Democratic primaries. For those reasons, Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State is better than nothing and sure trumps a ho hum John Kerry or that lap dog Bill Richardson. Such an appointment might even send a signal that Mr. Obama truly intends to take steps toward reconciliation within the Democratic Party. Furthermore, if Barack Obama is indeed eligible by The Constitution to become POTUS, he should bend over backwards to assuage any doubts cast upon the integrity of the party as a result of divisive tactics within his campaign, the RBC and the DNC. If BO is ineligible to be POTUS, he should bow out gracefully and let there be a run off between Sen Clinton and Sen McCain.

  • Dr. Kate

    Just my opinion, but I don’t believe one thing that barky has to say. I think he’s buying off everybody he can so they don’t question his eligibility.

    Barky cannot be trusted, ever. For the good of the country, we need to absolutely keep track of him.

    Its just words to consider HRC, or he’s looking for someone to blame. Yes get her out of the senate and then destroy her career.

  • suzeeQ

    many of you keep saying have HRC wait & run in 2012… enlighten me. When has a person in the same party as the encumbent prez ever taken the candidacy away from the prez? Does anyone ever seriously challenge the encumbent?

    • Patience

      Granted, it would be an unlikely scenario if his presidency is uneventful. But it’s not out of the realm of possibility. For instance, what if impeachable issues come to light, like caucus or campaign finance fraud? What if he pardons Rezko? What if there’s an attack on the homeland? What if the Middle East blows up? Any of these things could make his renomination uncertain.

      Harry Truman was challenged with the possibility of his own party nominating Dwight Eisenhower (who refused). Strom Thurmond also challenged him. Ronald Reagan challenged Gerald Ford in 1976.

    • Ani

      That it what I said above — no they don’t.

      He would have to resign or pull an LBJ. She would never be able to run against an incumbent president. That’s just not the way it works.

      Her only shot to run in 2012, barring force majeure is if McCain won.

    • Newly Independent

      Does anyone ever seriously challenge the encumbent?

      Well, even though he didn’t get the nomination, Ted Kennedy ran against Jimmy Carter for the Democrat nom back in 1980. It was a bitter fight too. Had it not been for the Chappaquiddick scandal and the Iran hostage mess, Kennedy may have beaten Carter.

      • mimi

        What are you saying? If it hadn’t been for the Iran hostage mess, the Carter may have won.

  • rollingthunder

    Remember the latest OBOT talking points? They want us to forget the election and come together. Well, this is all designed to make it look like he deserves our support if he mentions Hillary is being considered for SEC Of State..
    This is more of the same. He puts the carrot on the stick and dangles it in fornt of multiple people..
    ONObama is a game player. He already knows who he is going to pick. This is crap. She needs to stay in the senate and know that time is on her side. When Kennedy kicks the bucket, she’ll get her 100% health care to pass. She’s the only one who has a plan that will practically pay for itself. I do hope that Barky picks ex Governor Kitzhauber from Oregon to be on a committee even if temporarily. He is a master at Health Care Plans. He is the first to enact a state wide health care plan.
    ONObama needs to pay off her debt and pay it now! That’s what he needs to do for her 200 rallies and her delivering 80% of her votes!
    We need to be careful what we believe when we hear the news. 99% of it is all lies..
    Like, I don’t believe he called Nancy Reagan and I don’t believe his wife called Hill asking for advice. The news lies. I don’t believe his granny was alive during this election..she’s been long gone.
    Suddenly she dies when he’s about to get elected. He is one walking pack of lies..which is why people can’t support him.

    • http://wiskeytangofoxtrotoscar.blogspot.com/ James (San Jose)

      Rolling, the president has next to no influence on committee appointments. Obama may have saved Holy Joe’s bacon but that is about it. Harry Reid and the leadership will decide the chairs and composition of the committee. BHO’s input will be non-existent.

    • mimi

      If that is true, he’s still making a mistake. It means he still doesn’t get that many of Hillary’s supporters will NOT be appeased by such an obvious move.

  • LindaSFNM

    Knowing O, the only reason he would do it is because he’s relying on so many of the Clintons people AND, it’s a way for him to choose neither of the ones he promised the position to. lol

  • kailyne

    there’s no doubt in my mind that she is
    a. qualified for the job and
    b. deserves to be offered the job

    i don’t personally care what his motives are, but i am concerned to hear how much credit some people are giving him for even considering her in the first place.

    if the offer happens and she accepts – i know she would do a great job, if given the opportunity. but, as much as i think we could use her help right now, i really hope she declines. her job would be to save the day over and over again, with no credit or validation. she’s probably a better person than me, because i think i would walk away.

    in either case this recent development does nothing to alter my viewpoint of our president-elect. i have seen too much this past year, and all the years prior in my life and the lives of countless women around me.

    i respect everyone’s opinion on this, but i am concerned about what appears to me as giving him way too much credit at this point. and as i said in an earlier post, it kind of creeps me out.

  • margarita

    I do not trust 0bama about anything and I’d be shocked if this actually happened.

    Reaching new heights of cynicism,
    margarita

  • http://N/A breeze

    She will get her 30 pieces of silver from the
    ‘messiah’, whatever that may be….

    As for real Karma, we’ll just have to wait and see
    what will be the result of hrc’s going over to the
    ‘dark side’ in such a spectacular way…

    • memi

      breeze

      sweetie, has the breeze affected your grey matter?

      • http://N/A breeze

        Memi,

        Maybe the kool-aid has affected YOURS?

  • jjran

    THIS WHOLE THING SMELL ALL OVER. WHY WOULD THEY LEAKED IT..? IF THEY WHERE SERIOUS..?

    HILLARY PLEASE STAY IN THE SENATE!

    OBAMA IS A FRAUD AND IT STICKS!!!

  • Murray

    Given that MEEchelle recently called up Hillary for advice on how to raise her daughters in the WH, as well as for advice on schools…
    This piece of info directly opposes all the, “Michelle won’t let Hillary near the WH” that had been taken as fact for nearly a year.
    I have to laugh when I remember the SNL skit, where Hillary explains to Barack how to re-set the WH furnace.
    Yeah, he needs her and everyone knows it.

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    • http://wiskeytangofoxtrotoscar.blogspot.com/ James (San Jose)

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  • snowhite

    There are no heroes or honest politicians.Obama lied about Ayeres,Rezko,Reverand Wright and the Clintons.Hillary and Bill lied to get Obama elected.I do not care what any of them do to each other.I just pray that all the lackys that work behind the scenes get this country in the right direction.

    • memi

      Snowwhite

      Sweetie, how come you stateth the Clintons “lied to get Obamarama elected?” Come on, don’t you know there are some Dems who remain loyal to their Party regardless of the treatment received? to do otherwise, snowwhite sweetheart, would be inviting your own political hara-kiri and I don’t think either clinton is dumb enough to follow your bankrupt logic to its Bush-dumb Obama-proofed conclusion.

  • Newly Independent

    It makes me sick to my stomach to see the extremely talented woman who made history during her run for the Presidency this year get cheated out of her hard-earned opportunity to become President because of her gender.

    Now said woman is getting a token dangled in front of her face by the less experienced & lesser talented man who stole her rightful nomination and the Presidency.

    I hate sexist trash.

    • memi

      Newly Independent

      Yes, indeed! It makes sick to my stomach to see this woman, the most comptent, hardworking and intelligent be ‘passed over’ in favor of this Anorexic Resume that lied and cheated and thuggged his way to the ‘finish-line’ fraudulently created by a misogynist media.

      Let’s hope Hillary whether she stays in Senate or become Secretary of State will attempt to show the wisdom of having legislation to deal with Sexism and Woman-hatred same way we deal with Racism.

      The problem is we talk about this, but how are we acting to prevent the Sexist Media from ruining the chances of yet another capable Woman Leader? Guess our girls will have to demand this of us at some point….Can;’t rely on Barky and his gender-neutral perennially Angry spouse to do anything to progress Women’s Issues.

      Hillary challenged the Bejing leadership in ’95:

      “Women’s rights are Human rights and Human Rights are women;s rights” — how true and how misunderstood…Hillary got it. Michele can only glimpse at this as printed words. It means nothing to her. As for Obarama expect him to do his JayC rapper-wannabe act on youtube: “Obama Gives Hillary the Finger”….What a clown!@

  • Erasmus

    I think Obama is following LBJ’s dictum vis-a-vis J.Edgar Hoover:
    ‘Better to have him inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in’.

  • Tristan

    HRC should have been President and Sec of State is a sorry compromise. OTOH I’m happy he’s making the appointment.

    Now if I do want to be cynical:
    1) Maybe he *didn’t* announce her as Sec of State, but this story was planted by Clinton people to get her the gig, and now if he refuses he looks like a heel.

    2) Maybe he’s setting her up to fail in some way and she’ll be scapegoated for that foreign policy failure.

  • Linda C.

    I hardly see Hillary Clinton being silent while 13 year old female rape victims are stoned to death for adultery in Somalia. Not only was I supportive of Hillary Clinton domestic policies, but her foreign affairs commitment to international human rights for women and children was the most compelling ever put for by any candidate. The atrocities committed against women and children around the world had a chance to become to the front of the American psyche to see it as the brutality that it is. It would to be dismissed as some form of cultural norm not worthy of consideration compared to where to put are frickin missiles. Recently Laura Bush only notes “sadness” that girls in Afghanistan were attacked with acid being thrown in their faces for simply wanting to go to school. However, I also don’t see Obama giving Clinton any power to challenge these issues since he thinks he may be able to negotiate with some elements of the Taliban

    What angers me is that when Hillary Clinton discussed her foreign relation experiences it was dismissed by Obama as having tea with Bhutto. The male bobble heads of the media shook their head in agreement because the Man said so. Now her name is being floated as a qualified candidate for the most powerful position in foreign affairs. The male media bobble heads shake their heads in agreement because the Man said so.

    What a bunch of sexist misogynistic troglodytes

    • memi

      Linda C.

      Thank you for a most insightful, intelligent post!

      Thanks to the media misogynist frat-boys-and-gals the anorexic resume Barry Hussein Obama was pushed to a fraudulent ‘finish-line’ of superdels.

      What a bunch of sexist misogynist troglodytes indeed!

    • mimi

      The American government will never challenge these issues until the women of America come together to protest and vote people in office who will challenge this policy.

      Sadly, when the women of America united against Hillary and then Palin, that pretty much showed how much concern they have for other women.

      The 0bama administration will not challenge this nor would an McCain administration have.

      The ball is in our court.

  • jdona

    Hillary as secretary of state would be my nightmare come true. Let Obama’s administration sink without her throwing a lifeline. His opinion of Hillary was made very clear during the primaries. Why should he be rescued by her now?

  • bish66

    She would be crazy to accept any job where Obama can fire her. Joining his administration in any position is political suicide. After a few weeks, he will create a scandal, claim differences in opinions and out she goes… Senate seat gone, no chance at the other seat in New York, no chance at Governor of NY, politically dead.

    She is smarter than that, I hope…

    • Ashy1

      It is true that Hillary would be an excellent Sec of State, and she deserves it. However, knowing how BO (I still can’t force the words “President-elect” out of my mouth) has no problem using people and throwing them under the bus when they are no longer useful, I don’t trust that sack (O.S.)

      Bish66, I agree totally with your comments. This would be an effective way to eliminate her influence for good.

  • Ashy1

    Please stop, just for a few moments, imagining the darker motives that Obama might have. Think instead about the THUNDER SHOCK he got when he got elected, got those scary-as-all-get-out intelligence briefings, talked to the people who’ve actually worked in the White House, toured the White House and got some frightening info, surely, from President Bush. Obama realizes he needs someone with Hillary’s profoundly deep knowledge and good common sense and worldwide connections. Think on the BRIGHT side, if for a moment.

    THINK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE!? What has happened over the last year that should give me reason to do that? A black man has been “elected.” I really wish I could feel ecstatic about that, but all the things that have happened to bring it about will not allow it. He will need stars and hearts coming out of his a$$ before I can go there. Sorry, no can do.

  • Ashy1

    In fact, he will actually have to BE the second coming of Christ–and provide substantial proof–before I’ll go there.

  • warehouse553

    Hillary for the love of GOD, please DO NOT give up your senate seat for this evil man!

  • warehouse553

    Hillary let the unqualified affirmative action President sink on his own!

  • NYC

    My sixth sense tells me that Hillary is going to accept the nomination as Secretary of State. That’s why she and her husband were campaigning so hard for The One. It is now or never for her. I am so tired of this game…

  • NoBoma2008

    C’mon guys he hates Hillary. We must keep up our opposition to Obama regardless of what happens with Clinton and SOS. Impeach his ass!!!

  • m Andrea

    Can we pleeeeeeze have some cynicism? From the other post:

    Should something happen to Joe Biden, gven his medical history, this would put Hillary in a perfect position to move up to V.P., and I bet Obama has realized he would much prefer to have her as his V.P. than Biden and a lot of other people.)

    If Obomination had wanted Hillery as his VP, then he would have made it happen.

    The only reason this news was “leaked” was to sow consternation and confusion among the top contenders for the post. He’s wanting a last-minute favor or concession out of them. And the added bonus of getting the hopes up of the Hillary brigade, so he can have the satisfaction of crushing them later.

    As soon as you start thinking like an evil world ruler who hate women, it becomes obvious…

    • mimi

      Andrea,

      You are my kind of cynic.

      Yes, he wants Richardson and Kerry to grovel, publicly.

      This is how 0bama rolls.

      If you saw the Hillary yesterday at the transportation conference where she was scheduled to speak, Hillary had a smirk on her face and put the ball back in Barky’s court saying she was going to let the 0bama people deal with anything pertaining to his Cabinet.

      Hillary’s laughing at him, Kerry and Richardson. This is a win-win situation for her no matter how it plays, especially if he goes with someone else after letting this leak. They are trying to blame Clinton’s people for this, but it won’t work.

      His people let this leak, not hers.

      No matter how they try to spin this, if he doesn’t choose her, he’s going to look bad, it will greatly weaken his ultimate choice and the great part is Hillary gets to stay in the Senate and challenge him as she pleases.

      0bama may think he’s the best at being a snake, but he forgets, that he has to govern, too. The more ill-will he garners, the less people will help him and trust him.

      He’s got too much on his plate to play Chicago-style ‘snake-in-the grass’ politics.

      Frankly, he’s off to a great start, one that is already predicting his doom.

      Keep it up Barky!

  • NYC

    I think this man is desperate because as someone mentioned before, he realizes after his conversation with Mr. Bush, that being a president is not the same as posing for the cameras and the only solution for him is to pick capable people that know their business and can make the ride easy for him. He can play Mr. Nice with Hillary Clinton, not a problem for him. We know how an opportunistic and cynical man he is. I still think that the offer is serious and that Mrs. Clinton will accept.

  • NYC

    “a man”

  • NYC

    Another installment of the Secretary of State drama:

    The aide said that in the last few months of the campaign Mr. Obama came to appreciate the effort she made to rally her supporters on his behalf.

    Should he pick her, Mr. Obama may further unite and energize his party, make clear to the world that he is serious about diplomacy, and send a substantive political signal to women.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/15/us/politics/15obama.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin