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Perry vs. Romney (UPDATE)

Let Michelle Bachmann enjoy her Iowa straw poll squeaker. Like Ron Paul, come January 2012, she will be a non-factor. Has nothing to do with her wearing a skirt. If she flipped roles and experience with Tim Pawlenty I would be making the case that T-Paw is an air-head with no substantive leadership experience and that Bachmann is a potentially formidable candidate. (UPDATE–Looks like Pawlenty is pulling the plug based on his tepid reception in Iowa.)

But that’s not the case and, based on what we’ve seen this week, I remain convinced that five months from now the battle will boil down to Perry vs. Romney.

The crucial issue will remain the economy. Perry will sink like a stone if he persists in pushing or touting a social conservative agenda. Most Americans could care less about that nonsense. You know, “pecker” politics–abortion, gay marriage, and stem cells.

JOBS, JOBS, JOBS. That will be the issue. On the surface Perry appears to have a strong advantage. He will claim credit for creating 37% of the jobs during the Obama “recovery.” However, he has a tendency to speak and sound like George W. Bush and I’m not sure most Americans want to revisit that nightmare just to escape the horror show that is Obama.

Romney is running a smart campaign for now. He has avoided the mistakes he made in 2008. Back then he pandered relentless and was compared to a windmill spinning in a hurricane. He was going in all directions. Mormonism is still a bugaboo but, unless he starts doing public prayer meetings, will probably fade as an issue as he shows up in a variety of religious settings.

His Achilles Heel remains the Massachusetts health bill he championed. He will have to do a better job of explaining away that turd of a decision.

If you want a taste of what awaits Perry, check out Paul Begala’s opening salvo:

I first met Rick Perry in 1985. He was a Democratic freshman state rep, straight off the ranch in Haskell, Texas. He wore his jeans so tight, and, umm, adjusted himself so often that my fellow young legislative aides and I used to call him Crotch. Even among state representatives, even among Texas Aggies (graduates of this cute remedial school we have in Texas), Perry stood out for his modest intellectual gifts. Hell, he got a C in animal breeding. I have goats who got an A in that subject. But lack of brains has never been a hindrance in politics.

Privately the Obama team fears Romney more than Perry. I won’t get too excited about any candidate at this point. I will wait until September 2012. In the meantime all of the candidates still have time to make a name for themselves or set their own hair on fire.

Count me in the “competition” is good camp. The more they slug it out and battle the more hardened they will be for going up against the Chicago kid. I don’t discount the possibility, however, that continued deterioration in the economy could propel Obama to abandoning his second term bid. At that point the Dems would face a conundrum and might plead with Hillary to bear the banner. I give that only a 20% chance of happening, but it is in the realm of the possible.

  • Anonymous

    Romney was taken down in 2008 for other reasons than Larry J. wrote in his blog. 

    Romney would be a blight this nation does not need to be in the White House, and if you’re upset a V. Plaimes  law suit being toss out, look toward harry reid, orrin hatch, and bob bennett. all you ex federal agents in the CIA who are Val’s Plames freinds  truly do not have a clue what is going on?   No wonder our country is in trouble. 

    You mean you younger generation CIA agents don’t know a thing about the Mormon Mafia?   Gee…..

  • nqisfun

    Larry,

    Quick question related to your comment:

    “He will have to do a better job of explaining away that turd of a decision.”

    Why do you think the Massachusetts healthcare bill has been a failure?

    By all accounts it has been a success. It has gotten like 97% of the people in the state health insurance and its costs have represented less than 1% of the state budget. Also, no one is complaining about the mandate. There have been no big issues with the healthcare bill in MA.

    Romney should be proud of the healthcare bill. It was his biggest achievement as a Governor. His worst achievement was on jobs, as the state under Romney was 47th in state ranking of job creation during his time in office.

     http://www.tampabay.com/incoming/dems-say-under-gov-mitt-romney-massachusetts-ranked-47th-out-of-50-states/1177061

    Perry’s record on jobs is also a sham.

    Unemployment in TX is 8.3%. Lower than the national figure sure, but higher than MA. And Texas is basically an oil state that didn’t experience a particularly serious real estate bust because guess what, they have quite rigorous state mortgage lending laws.

    Most of the jobs that have been created in Texas are low wage jobs. Low skill, low paying jobs barely meet the necessities for food, clothing and a roof over one’s head. How does an economy grow if people don’t have the dough for purchasing goods and services? This is a recipe for a Third World economy, and Texas is essentially a Third World state. If Texas didn’t have oil under the ground it would cease to exist.
    His state has benefited hugely from $100 oil and massive military spending. Energy employment in Texas has soared by 16.8% over the past year alone. Perry also took more than most from the Stimulus Bill and thanks to Hispanics his State’s population has been growing at twice the nation average, which led to higher job growth.

    The Texas Enterprise Fund has awarded companies $440 million to relocate since it was created in 2003. That is big tax payer subsidies and a big government to steal jobs from other states. That is actually not really creating new jobs for the nation, but only stealing them from somewhere else in the country.

    In addition, many of the jobs he’s created have been government jobs. The size of Texas’ government has more than doubled since he’s been governor.

    etc., etc., etc.

  • Patience

    I’m sorry Pawlenty dropped out — I was just getting to know him and I was impressed with him in the debate. 

    Bachman’s an idealogue and I dare say is getting more attention than she deserves because Big Media seem to have an agenda of giving her lots of exposure in order to make conservatives look flaky for supporting such a lightweight.  I know some NQers will be pissed off by that remark but I truly believe it.  She seems like a kind of Republican version of the POTUS. 

    Ron Paul, bless his heart, sticks to his principles but since roughly 40% of Americans are still in the POTUS’ camp in spite of his help in creating the worst economy since the Great Depression, I don’t see a libertarian getting anywhere in national politics.
     
    I haven’t focused much on Perry but there’s something about him that causes me to instinctively recoil.  It may very well be (and is probably likely) due to the Texas thing that Larry pointed out (admittedly, it would be unfair and unwise to automatically dismiss Texans simply because of GWB).  Maybe it’s the gay rumors/Marlboro Man looks.  Maybe it’s because he’s been a government employee all of his adult life.  Maybe it’s his petulant-sounding threats about Texas seceding from the US.  Maybe it’s the photo of him praying for the country that Drudge featured last week (I’m not anti-religion but I’m a bit turned off by people who are indiscreet about their faith).  Having said that, considering the state of the union I certainly wouldn’t discourage Divine intervention.  We can use all of the help we can get. 
     
    So far, I still think Romney’s the candidate with the best chances of winning.  I’m not sure Perry can overcome anti-Texas prejudice (which Big Media will do their best to incite) enough to beat Obama. 
     

  • Patience

    I’m sorry Pawlenty dropped out — I was just getting to know him and I was impressed with him in the debate. 

    Bachman’s an idealogue and I dare say is getting more attention than she deserves because Big Media seem to have an agenda of giving her lots of exposure in order to make conservatives look flaky for supporting such a lightweight.  I know some NQers will be pissed off by that remark but I truly believe it.  She seems like a kind of Republican version of the POTUS. 

    Ron Paul, bless his heart, sticks to his principles but since roughly 40% of Americans are still in the POTUS’ camp in spite of his help in creating the worst economy since the Great Depression, I don’t see a libertarian getting anywhere in national politics.
     
    I haven’t focused much on Perry but there’s something about him that causes me to instinctively recoil.  It may very well be (and is probably likely) due to the Texas thing that Larry pointed out (admittedly, it would be unfair and unwise to automatically dismiss Texans simply because of GWB).  Maybe it’s the gay rumors/Marlboro Man looks.  Maybe it’s because he’s been a government employee all of his adult life.  Maybe it’s his petulant-sounding threats about Texas seceding from the US.  Maybe it’s the photo of him praying for the country that Drudge featured last week (I’m not anti-religion but I’m a bit turned off by people who are indiscreet about their faith).  Having said that, considering the state of the union I certainly wouldn’t discourage Divine intervention.  We can use all of the help we can get. 
     
    So far, I still think Romney’s the candidate with the best chances of winning.  I’m not sure Perry can overcome anti-Texas prejudice (which Big Media will do their best to incite) enough to beat Obama. 
     

  • wodiej

    Perry used to be a Democrat and wouldn’t support Reagan in 80 or 84. Which means he supported Mr. Peanut Jimmy Carter.  Had a college GPA of 1.8.  He supports illegals.  If Gov. Sarah Palin gets in, it’s all over for both.  

    • Patience

      Whoa, a 1.8 GPA? 

  • Anonymous

    What stuns me is the foolishness of anyone supporting Perry’s candidacy even if he is a great candidate. (Which I don’t think he is.)

    Oblahblah has about run out of time to be blaming Bush for all the ills in the world. So why would the right want to give him another Texas Cowboy to run against? Do they think people know, or care that the Bushs don’t “like” Perry and vice-versa? Do they not think that Oblahblah and his minions will lose no opportunity to draw comparisons? Perrry will be used as a Bush clone. Perry as a candidate is an Oblahblah dream IMO.

  • Wisewoman

    I am an AA and I did not nor will I ever vote for Obama.  We are a family of 12 siblings (all but 2 college educated) and my sister and I were the only ones in our family to vote against Obama.  My sister who is from chicago even prayed that he would not win because she thought he was unqualified and would not be able to lead the country.  My hope is for a Rommney/Perry ticket or vice versa:  Rommney because he appeals to independents and Perry because he would make mincemeat out of Obama as either the vice president or president.  That is the winning combination needed.

  • Wbboe

    Larry–I know you have been careful not to credit anything Ulsterman says, and I have my own misgivings about him as well.  I feel comfortable labeling Obama a sociopath, because I can read the medical definition, observe his overt behavior and draw a layman’s conclusion that that is what he is.

    But I find it difficult to accept what purports to be inside information from an unidentified source inside the Obama administration  as to Obama’s grand strategy.  He claims to be a former supporter who now realizes it was a mistake for the party and the country to nominate and elect Obama, respectively.  But that is not sufficient to satisfy my doubts.  There is something else there and I do not know what it is.  It could even be disinformation.

    Be that as it may, the Ulterman insider now tells us that Obama was considering quitting a few weeks ago, changed his mind, and is now planning a political jihad against white American in the 2012 election.  I am quite sure he is capable of it, and if he does, I am sure that the party will back him because they have run off most of the white demographic and blacks control the party.  This Rosa Parks episode is some evidence of that strategy, but inconclusive.  For the reasons discussed above big media would support such a strategy if he pursues it and will even fan the flames.  At the Battle of Seattle I personally witnessed a New York Times reporter inciting the rioters so I have no illusions about their motivations.

    The main reason I am skeptical is because nothing would do more to destroy whatever legacy  Barack Obama hopes to leave for posterity than to pull some foolish stunt like this. And if it did result in the kind of race riots that his supporters Governor Doug Wilder Jessee Jackson III and Reverend Al Sharpton threatened us with in Denver, his place in history would be right next to Caligula.  He cannot afford that to happen.  That is not to say that I do not worry what will happen when and if he realizes he is not going to win.

    I cannot really ask what you think about all this, but I am certainly curious.  At this point perhaps the issue is not ripe, but when and if that changes we may wish to revisit all this.

    • Wbboe

      By the way, the reason I say the party will back him is because their leadership–Tim Kaine (DNC), Chris Van Hollen (DNCC), and others had no qualms about calling white Americans racist and incorporating that kind of rhetoric into their talking points, which they repeat ad infinitum ad nausuem to this day.  They have also included the word terrorist. This is reminiscent of the Nazis and it is also why I do not hold out much hope for the future of that party as a constructive force in American society.

      • Ferd_Berfle

        This is reminiscent of the Nazis and it is also why I do not hold out
        much hope for the future of that party as a constructive force in
        American society.
        ====================
        The democratic party is dead.

    • Scottymac54

      Do you think the “insider” is Rahm Emanuel?

      Consider the tone, the braggadocio.

      Or is that what we’re all supposed to think?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HGANMGQB7HNZG62RMJSQH4BVGQ Puma GSD

      I lived in the South in 1969 in a small town where both
      Blacks and Whites treated each other with respect.
      Economics were not an issue here because both
      races worked as  either a merchant marines or steveadores.
      Outside agitators came in and burnt the white school,
      the National Guard was called into Wilmington, NC
      because of the Wilmington 10.   I was in Frankfort,
      Germany in 1970 and the 1st thing I saw  in front
      of the airport was a protest to free the Wilmington
      10.
      History will repeat itself if BO has problems getting
      re-elected..These flash riots and attacks  we are
      seeing are just an exercise for 2012.

      Sort of like Hitler’s question, “Is Paris Burning?”

    • Anonymous

      ” Obama was considering quitting a few weeks ago, changed his mind, and
      is now planning a political jihad against white American in the 2012
      election.”

      Oh yeah, that will work…a jihad against 70% of the population, a good many of whom are armed to the teeth. Good luck with that!!

  • Anonymous

    I think a Perry/Rubio ticket would send Barry running back to Pakistan.

  • Anonymous

    Begala is your typical crass liberal, and what he said about Gov. Perry is disgusting and uncalled for.  Begala supported and helped elect the most pathetic excuse for a President ever, so he really should keep his mouth closed about anybody else.  The Dems are screwed this time around and they know it, so they will be using ever dirty tactic in the book against the Republican candidates.  That’s just how they roll.

    Perry is a successful governor. Texans would have given him the boot long ago if he was incompetent.  Texas is one of the few states that is doing pretty well when many others are in big trouble.  I think that speaks for itself.

    As for Romney, I don’t care for the man because he’s a RINO and I’ve had enough of them.  His being a Mormon doesn’t matter to me one way or the other.  

    • Scottymac54

      Perry’s all about tyranny.

      Just the idea that he would force little girls to take an STD vaccine (“Gardasil”) against their parents’ will would give most adults of any political stripe pause.

      Wasn’t the “Tea Party” supposed to be about “smaller government” and “liberty”?

      I guess appearances trump true character and values nowadays, because this is exactly what I saw with Obama, during the 2008 primary.

      And, I guess it’s across the left/right paradigm as well (I knew that, but I was hoping more folks had gotten a clue).

      • Ferd_Berfle

        Wow, still harping. Look, what Perry did as governor is not translatable to what he might to as President and implying such is mere speculation. Besides, that isn’t enough to preclude him from consideration unless you are a single-issue blockhead. I can think of one position that I dislike for each candidate out there. My choice then become to determine what is important or to do what a moron would do and not vote at all because this person is for or against x. I would call it petty.

        What you’re doing is akin to quibbling over the color of the firetruck when the damn house is on fire.

        • Anonymous

          I am now in love with you, Ferd.  

          Snotty Scotty is back with nothing intelligent to say again.  

          *yawn*

          • wodiej

            and you just insulted Scott so how does that make you any better? It doesn’t.

        • Scottymac54

          Ferd, I understand exactly what you are saying, and I agree with you.

          PLEASE read this article.

          http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/14-reasons-why-rick-perry-would-be-a-really-really-bad-president

          But there are many reasons to QUESTION whether or not Perry is worth voting for.

          I’m frustrated, because I am seeing the exact same stick-your-hand-in-the-sand attitudes that so many, Obots and etc., had in 2008, JUST to get rid of Bush.

          I see very few questioning, sharing information, weighing the positives and negatives, challenging the hype.

          It’s all FEELINGS.  (“He’s so down to earth”, “they’re SCARED of her….”)

          I despised Bush and everything he stood for, but I didn’t think “anyone but Bush” was the right way to evaluate a prospective candidate for president.

          A lousy candidate will not necessarily bring better results, just because they are not Barky, and they’re from the other side.

          You’re TRUSTING THE SYSTEM to do the homework and “vet” the candidates for you!

          Why?  It didn’t work last time!

          And there were few enough who listen to people like me, who were against Obama from the start, and saw him for what he is.

          Why is there total defensiveness for anyone who has an “R” after their name?  This is

          RIDICULOUS!

          I’m sorry, Ferd, really.  I just get really upset when Americans keep demanding so little, and always get exactly that.

          Everyone’s buying into all these illusions…and the election is still a year off!

        • wodiej

          Perry is a RINO.

          • Ferd_Berfle

            A RINO by any other name would still be better than That One. We’re working with the 20% or so of the country who are independents. 42% of democrats and 38% of Republicans will vote for their party’s candidate no matter what. That leaves the ~20% that the two parties are going to fight over. If the Republicans go too far right with social issues or with an ideologue, the Republicans will lose the war.

          • Ferd_Berfle

            A RINO by any other name would still be better than That One. We’re working with the 20% or so of the country who are independents. 42% of democrats and 38% of Republicans will vote for their party’s candidate no matter what. That leaves the ~20% that the two parties are going to fight over. If the Republicans go too far right with social issues or with an ideologue, the Republicans will lose the war.

          • Ferd_Berfle

            A RINO by any other name would still be better than That One. We’re working with the 20% or so of the country who are independents. 42% of democrats and 38% of Republicans will vote for their party’s candidate no matter what. That leaves the ~20% that the two parties are going to fight over. If the Republicans go too far right with social issues or with an ideologue, the Republicans will lose the war.

      • BINKY

        Please note:
        Governor Perry issued an Executive Order (EO) (RP#65, February, 2007) which mandated that all Texas girls be vaccinated prior to their admission to the sixth grade. Parents were allowed to opt out of the mandate by filling out an affidavit. . . .Perry maintains that the justification for his executive order making the shot mandatory was twofold: 1) that the vaccine offered a chance to save lives that might have otherwise been taken away by cervical cancer and, 2) that insurance companies wouldn’t cover the $360 cost of the vaccine ($120 for each of a 3-shot regimen) when it was simply an optional “recommended” vaccine. That put it out of the reach for most low-income Texans. This from the Time Magazine article (linked above), “Some pediatricians and gynecologists are refusing to stock Gardasil because many insurance companies reimburse so little for the vaccine, which costs $360 for the three required doses.”When Perry mandated Gardasil, it would have become part of a school-related vaccine package which was then covered by insurance for simply the cost of a co-pay.http://peskytruth.wordpress.com/2011/07/19/rick-perrys-negatives/

  • Wbboe

    I agree.  Let us hope that the American People are more rational in 2012 than they were in 2008.  The economic climate should be a catalyst.  However recent polling results on the debt negotiations which suggest that the American People thought the Republicans were radical tend to suggest otherwise, i.e. that they are not rational even now.  Why not? Because they are heavily influenced by big media.

  • Propertius

    As Molly Ivins pointed out back in 2000, the Texas Constitution makes the governorship a largely ceremonial post, with very little real authority (unless, of course, you have the misfortune to be on death row, hoping for a pardon or commutation), so I’m not sure how much credit he can take for the Texas economy. That won’t stop him from trying, of course (any more than Obama’s complete uninvolvement kept him from trying to claim credit for getting bin Laden).

    That sword cuts both ways, though. If he starts making claims about the Texas economy, someone is going to bring up the Texas deficit:

    http://www.texastribune.org/texas-taxes/2011-budget-shortfall/

    or the fact that the only reason it didn’t show up last year was Federal stimulus funding:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/01/texas-used-stimulus-to-cover-97-of-its-deficit/70077/

    That’s going to pretty difficult to explain once he has to duke it out in the primaries.

    Perry’s weird secessionist/dominionist rhetoric gives me the creeps, and I think a lot of independents and anti-Obama Democrats feel the same way. If he gets the nomination, that will cost him in the general.

    I’d really like to see Hillary mount a primary challenge, unlikely as that might be.

  • Anonymous

    all politicans appeal to their base to get the nomination and then move to the center in the general. that is what perry will do. he is establishing his creds with them. he was pragmatic in texas btw. also consider how obummer has dissed christians and praised muslims. they doesn’t sit well with even independents also. this is not your normal campaign because we don’t have a normal president. i’d vote for casper the ghost to get that fool out of our house.

  • HELENK

    off topic

    just how much damage could this do? pakistan let china have access to downed helo in ben laden raid.

    http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/09700746-c681-11e0-bb50-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1V1sGarET

    • Anonymous

      A lot.  If the Chinese can do it, they will steal the technology. 
      Not good. 

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think any of the pundits or prophets recognize the role that women are playing in elections since Obama 2008. Personally I think all of the polls are off because they don’t really know what the group of probable voters is like (what percentage are dems, indies, repubs, tea party, men, women, young people, older.) People seem to be following old formulas and completely missing what the actual mood of the populace is.

    I think Bachmann has a good chance of winning the nomination, unless Palin jumps in.

    She did a good job on Wallace’s show this morning…and he asked all his “gotcha” questions.

    • HELENK

      the 2008 primary and the treatment of Both Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin woke up a lot of women.
      Many decided women will no longer accept such treatment by people who have screwed up the country.
      We know we can do better That glass ceiling in not just going to crack , it is going to shatter and be gone.. That is new is this country

      unemployment needs to start in DC asap

      WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

      PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

    • Ferd_Berfle

      I think Bachmann has a good chance of winning the nomination, unless Palin jumps in.
      =================
      I think she does, too, unless progressives keep harping on wedge-issue drivel that always seems to sidetrack voters away from the best person based upon a single stance on some policy that isn’t to their liking.

  • HELENK

    Who ever gets the nomination , I do hope they tap this man for vice president. Do not just make him an empty place sitter but  have him be a part of the decision making. He gets it
    My hope is still for an Palin – West ticket. That I could vote in a heartbeat and feel like it was a vote for the country and not just against backtrack.

    http://shark-tank.net/2011/08/13/allen-west-drops-the-hammer-on-ron-paul/

    unemployment needs to start in DC asap

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

  • Anonymous
    • Anonymous

      The President has been downgraded.

      solid B-

      • Wbboe

        You know HARP2, just as America will always be a AAA+ nation for Obama even if our s&p rating is in the shitter, Obama will always be a 99%’er in the eyes of big Media even though his Gallup rating is hovering around 32 and everyone else is unemployed.

    • Anonymous

      Where in the heck is the “love” button???

    • HELENK
      • Anonymous

        The thing about Rasmussen that Democrats hate is that they are usually right.

    • Anonymous

      They say once a President hits the 30′s they stay there.

      “The party’s over . . . ‘

      • Anonymous

        I hope he rots there…

        “Say What You Will…It Feels So Good”

    • Ferd_Berfle

      I wonder if he’ll start to work on 30%. After all, he wants to be the “best” at something it may as well be with the worst approval rating ever recorded.

    • Wilson

      Unfortunately the republicans have had to talk down every trace of confidence, stall out the recovery, and induce a profound state of national depression to accomplish that.  That’s what it will take to make another right wing Bible thumper from Texas seem momentarily attractive.  

      • Ferd_Berfle

        Unfortunately the republicans have had to talk down every trace of
        confidence, stall out the recovery, and induce a profound state of
        national depression to accomplish that.
        ==============
        Your boob in the WH is the one who did all that and all by himself, to boot. Wow, just how much is That One paying you to post and do you know where you’re at? This is NQ and not Puffington Compost.

  • Anonymous

    I’ll vote for anyone who will get Obumba out of the WH.  Even Romney – which is a very distasteful thought at the moment.    Not even Hillary is going to make me vote for a DEM in 2012.

  • HELENK

    http://hotair.com/archives/2011/08/14/breaking-t-paw-dropping-out/

    T-Paw dropping out asked by GOP to run for senate

  • HELENK

    I brought this up from downstairs.
    When you are spending almost double than what you are raising, you have a problem. Also look at the bundlers.

    http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/summary.php

    Neither Perry or  Romney make me want to vote for them. They just seem like the same politicians we have now in DC, who forgot who they are supposed to represent.

    unemployment needs to start in DC asap

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

    • HELENK

      Total Raised: $48,662,185

      Total Spent: $80,235,455

      Cash on Hand: $37,110,346

      Debts: $412,878

      Date of Report: Jun 30, 2011 

  • http://twitter.com/torquepilot JCLISE

    I wouldn’t vote for either of these RHINOS if my NADS were on fire!!!

    • Docelder

      Then Obama is your man… enjoy your time with him while it lasts. You have until January 2013.

      • Anonymous

        Good one, Doc!
         I’m sick of the idiot conservatives who scream “RINO RINO” and stay home.  It’s partly their fault that Obama is President.  They’ll never be satisfied with ANYONE, so who cares about trying to convince these idiots that it should be ABO.

        • Ferd_Berfle

          You get the cigar. Had Republicans come out en masse in ’08, we wouldn’t be dealing with this poser in the WH.

          • Anonymous

            I doubt “staying home” is a mistake most Republicans will make again. However, you can put forth a candidate that makes Independents stay away.

            Personally I will show up and vote for anyone against Oblahblah. But I would like to support someone that I genuinely believe can beat him. I want him beaten like a red-headed stepchild! I want him embarassed! I want him whipped, dipped and shipped out of town on a rail!

            I don’t care if the candidate is a “RINO.” Even though I don’t “like” any of the candidates I will vote for any of them over Oblahblah the POS POTUS.

            I have seldom gotten a chance to vote for the person I would most like to see a president. So I suck it up and vote for whoever is the best of the rest. (I always vote – don’t vote? Then don’t bitch about what the bastards do to you.)

            • Ferd_Berfle

              I agree.

            • Ferd_Berfle

              I agree.

            • Ferd_Berfle

              I agree.

            • Anonymous

              I want him whipped, dipped and shipped out of town on a rail!

              ditto

            • Anonymous

              I want to see the temper tantrum he pulls after he loses. I am betting on a total melt-down. Ok, not betting, hoping…hehehe

      • Anonymous

        Beware of daily hits from concern trolls from hereon out.

  • Hillary2016

    Larry, any truth to Clarke’s charges?

    Former NSC’er Richard Clarke Charges CIA
    Knew and Covered Up Intel on Saudi Terrorists
    August 13, 2011 • 6:20PM
    As part of a documentary to be released on
    the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, former National Security
    Council counter-terrorism head Richard Clarke charges that the CIA
    covered up crucial information in 2000 and 2001 that could have
    prevented the attacks. Clarke, in interviews released to the Daily Beast
    website, charged that the CIA was attempting to recruit two of the 9/11
    hijackers, and therefore withheld information from the White House, the
    NSC, and the FBI. Clarke has charged that the cover-up at the Agency
    came from the very top — staring with then-CIA Director George Tenet.
    What is even more fascinating about the Clarke charges, is that the
    two hijackers he is referring to are Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid
    al-Mihdhar, the two West Coast-based Saudis who were the recipients of
    funds from the Saudi embassy account of Prince Bandar bin-Sultan and his
    wife. It was the Bandar-Hazmi-al-Mihdhar financial links that were
    covered up by the George W. Bush White House in the now infamous 28-page
    chapter from the Joint Congressional 9/11 probe, which remains
    classified to this day.
    Clarke was in charge of counter-terrorism at the NSC under Presidents
    Clinton and G.W. Bush. He charged in the documentary interview that he
    gave in 2009, that the CIA had shared massive amounts of information
    with him in the run-up and aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, but had not
    made any mention of the fact that they knew that al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar
    had been in the United States since late 2000. Clarke said that if he
    had known about the presence of the two men in the United States, “We
    would have conducted a massive sweep. We would have conducted it
    publicly. We would have found those assholes. There’s no doubt in my
    mind, even with only a week left. They were using credit cards in their
    own names. They were staying in the Charles Hotel in Harvard Square, for
    heaven’s sake. Those guys would have been arrested within 24 hours.”
    Both Tenet and Cofer Black, the head of the CIA’s Counterterrorism
    Center at the time of the 9/11 attacks, have denied the charges and
    denounced Clarke for his reckless allegations.

     

  • AbigailAdams

    “NOTHING created by people is a person except children.”

     

    That sounds good, and it’s technically correct, but I think a lot of people understood what Romney meant when he said that corporations are people.  When I think of Apple, for example, I think of Steve Jobs (so interesting, isn’t it, Steve’s last name?)  When I thnk of Microsoft, Bill Gates, and so on. 

    And I think of the hundreds of thousands of opportunities that were made possible for people because of these men’s and women’s “brain children.”  I was a technical recruiter for one of these orgs during its metoric rise and witnessed the kinds of personal and professional growth made available to eager, hard-working people.  I doubt a Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos or Howard Shultz are the interchangeable, disposable parts that anti-business, “corporations-are-evil” adherents think they are.  Not only are corporations people, they are really special people who recognize they have great odds of failure — not just because of bad ideas, but perhaps more because this government is gunning for them and robbing them of any incentive to take the risk.

     

    At the base of the message that argues against corporations are people is that corporations are indifferent, mindless, robotic machines that don’t care about people and are a blight to humanity and even worse, “they’re not fair!” 

     

    I can’t think of a delicate way to put this, EllenD, but I think anyone who doesn’t see Romney’s point is just being oppositional. 

  • Anonymous

    I agree with your views.

    Regarding Perry, in the last cycle the media was on the edge of their seats anticipating the entrance of actor and former Senator Fred Thompson. They thought he would be an instant front runner. No sooner did he announce on TV, he dropped like a lead weight quickly. The same could happen to Perry. We will know within the next 2 weeks.

    If he does survive the immediate onslaught then it could be a battle of him and Romney, although I think that Bachmann will remain competitive as others start to drop out.

    Regarding Obama stepping aside, if the numbers don’t begin to dramatically improve I disagree and believe the odds are much higher that a group of Democratic elders and major donors will persuade Obama to not pursue a second term and contrive a respectful way out and hand the nomination to Hillary. At this point now, with the liberal press chatter about Obama’s lack of leadership ability,  the odds have to be greater than 50:50 that that happens, but events can change that over the next 8 or 9 months.

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  • Wbboe

    Larry–your analysis is correct on every point. 

    The commies do, in fact, fear Romney more than Perry.  It gets back to the theory of brands.  Perry is the Marlbourgh Man redux.  His Texas cowboy image qua religious personna is reminiscent of Bush, and the Obama campaign will exploit that comparison openly and subliminally.  Remembering how CNN has hired trained marketing experts to come up with words like cold polarizing etc to describe Hillary and then fed those loaded words to their talking heads, it is reasonable to assume big media (not FOX) will do the same thing here, in their effort to promote Obama.

    Let me beg you indulgence and re post something I just finished posting under the last article because I think it will affect not only the primary, but the general election.  It was in response to an excellent post that the problem in this country is not so much a matter of leadership per se but rather the wholesale repudiation of the values that made this country great.  Since most people may not go back and read what was said before, allow me to repost it here:

    Absolutely, positively right.  And I will tell you EXACTLY where it starts. Not the traditional press which saw its role as protector of the community, but big media which sees its role as controlling the political system, supporting the east coast elites, and denying the American People the information they need to make informed choices.  Instead, they denigrate the role of the American people.  They give us bread and circuses.  And they lie to us to us and cover up routinely.  They deny us the information we need to make sound political decisions. They promote candidates like Obama who are responsive to their interests no ours.  And they tell us what to think rather than giving us both sides of the issue and letting us do the thinking. 

    This radical transformation of our media from the small town newspaper which was accountable to its readers,  and saw its role as one of protecting the community, to the reichministry we see today is an understandable evolution once you understand who owns big media:They are owned by multi national corporations i.e. NBC (General Electric–soon comcast), CNN ( AOL Time Warner),  ABC (Disney), CBS (Westinghouse).  The senior staff of Associated Press comes from New York Times, Poltico is part of Washington Post, etc. The editors are the problem.  There is no Chinese Wall separating the newsroom from the parent corporation. That separation died when Welch bought NBC and he recounts i his book Winning how he as leader of GE crushed the independence of their newsroom, and made it responsible to the parent.  This is why Immelt was able to go into an NBC affiliate in New Jersey and kill a story critical of Obama. 

    The people who simply work for these organizations are oblivious to what is occurring.  Understandably perhaps, they are primarily concerned with their jobs and families.  Thus for all their pretensions of a world view, they do not comprehend the harm they are doing on a daily basis to the American People.  The subtlety of it makes it all the more pernicious.  They do not consider themselves anti American, quite the contrary.  But if you ask them what they think of the American People you are apt to get a radically different response closer to what Obama said about people who live in small towns and love guns and religion.

    In sum, and much as I hate Obama, and have always believed he was the wrong man in the wrong place at the wrong time, I would rather have Barack Obama and an honest press that behaved like the small town newspaper, than someone who was not Barack Obama and the press we have today.  If you want a perfect example of what I mean, consider the Republican debate.  As you look at that stage of candidates, and consider the immense problems engulfing this country, is there anyone on that stage who has the intellect to deal with it?  Anyone besides Gingrich??  Yet big media (David Gregory on Meet The Press) is less concerned  with the solutions he would offer, but more concerned with putting words in his mouth and wondering about his bill to Tiffanies.  They have killed the candidacy of the one Republican who could have saved us.  Just as they killed Hillary’s candidacy, since she too had alot of constructive solutions.  Ultimately, big media wants someone Obama can beat and they will slant their coverage that way.

    Anyone who thinks that is responsible journalism needs to see nqisfun’s lobodomist.  Coincidentally, a friend of mine who was a professor of communications told me on Friday that she wrote a letter to Gingrich telling him what he needed to do to push back against the likes of David Gregory and get his important message across. He did what she said. I suspect she was not the only one telling him this since it is obvious.  For the longest time, my friend believed that big media would come around once Obama’s shortcomings became manifest.  I argued the opposite–that apart form considerations of access and influence, because of the problem of common ownership and control they would never turn their back on Obama so long as he serves the interests of their masters..That is now self evident.

    • Sandra Peters

      I am with you, Wbboe.  I think the person with the brains is Newt Gingrich.  He has some problems, but I think the person who could bring your country back from the brink financially is Newt.

      • Wbboe

        Thanks Sandra.  I am glad you and I see it the same way.  The problem as I see it is two fold: a media that has forsaken its proper role in a democratic system–to be the educator as opposed to the propagandist.  But the other problem is the management model we tout today.  Let me explain.

        A couple weeks ago I met a man who is one of the great leaders in our country, but his name is unknown to most people.  I knew his company by name when I was in the air express business, but I never realized broad the scope of his vision and his operations.  I guarantee you Larry knows him.  His commitment to this country and to this planet is sublime. He is a private company so there is no need to keep Wall Street happy–he can and does plan long term.  I have been trying to meet him for five years and three weeks ago I got lucky. I sat through his staff meeting and watched how his team works. It was a paradigm of leadership.  If I had only known him when I was writing that book—I struggled to find the right paradigm of a business leader to illustrate my points, then it would have been a better book.  He is open to input from his people but the management style is top down.  And there is accountability.

        How different from what we see today in Messiah Obama.  But in some respects, Obama is simply a manifestation of the new age model of management, which contends that there are no great leaders any more i.e. God is dead, and the management model that succeeds in this modern diverse interconnected world consists of an articulate front man–in effect a promoter backed by an army of lawyers, accountants and other specialists. Like Obama, this leader does not need to understand the business because he has got all those experts around him to hold his hand. Professor Reardon who works for Warren Bennis at USC Graduate School of Business talks about this change in thinking, but alas she seems to agree with the conclusion, whereas I do not.

        Big media has reduced the selection of president to celebrity analysis–a form of marketing and who can walk the gauntlet of gotcha questions.  What I would like to know about each candidate is:i) what is their specific plan to meet the country’s challenges?, ii) are they capable of executing it in a reasonable time frame? and iii) and who are their top 10 contributors? If the American People have that kind of information they can make an informed judgment..

        The thing that makes Gingrich special if the fact that he understands the big picture and knows how to fix it.  In that respect, he is like the businessman I mentioned above.  The late Congressman I was friends with was in his inner circle, and told me that Newt can get wound up at times, but he is centered and  when the tough decisions come along, then he can answer the 3 pm call.  That is why I had hoped that for the good of the country he would be the nominee.  In a debate, he would make mince meat out of Obama–with or without his teleprompter.

        • Wbboe

          3 am call.

  • Anonymous

    Perry speaks like a Texan because he IS a Texan. 
    It’s a mistake to sell the American people short.  They are able to distinguish between the two men, Perry and Bush, and as a very seasoned and savvy politician, Perry will be able to show that he is not Bush on so many levels.
    The attacks on Perry by the Dems is a clear indication that they are petrified of him.  He is charismatic, self-assured and a fighter, unlike any of the other Republican candidates. 
    His history is an undeniable American success story and he came up the hard way, unlike Obama, about whom we still know very little, except that he has an uncanny ability to destroy everything he touches.
    Having said that, I want to know more about Perry’s views on immigration, the muslim issue and foreign policy. 
    I don’t care how he speaks.  I care what he says and believes.

    • Anonymous

      elizabethrc:  Your comment reeks of rational thinking.  I love it.

      • Anonymous

        Disqus generic email templateThanks, Abigail. It’s always nice to get affirmation that I’m not completely off my rocker. Elizabethrc
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    • Docelder

      No Perry is not Bush. That being said Bush was elected twice. Therefore, the comparison is not all bad. Who wouldn’t want to go back right now to Bush? We just about all would. I think the Perry is Bush argument will play well with folks that aren’t going to vote for a religious conservative to begin with… other folks will know better or won’t care much either way… because neither Bush or Perry is Obama. That much is a no brainer. I think the argument can be made on the other hand that Romney is Obama. Romneycare is Obamacare. 

      • Anonymous

        I hope they compare him to Bush.  There is a reason that you see those billboards everywhere that say,
        “Do You Miss Me Yet?”  LOL.

      • Anonymous

        If it were possible I’d vote for W in a heartbeat over Ozombi.  And I pretty much detested him during the first term…and again by the end of the second.

        • Anonymous

          Madame, I absolutely agree.  I was not a fan and felt he was also in over his head, but he knew enough to appoint people certainly more competent and experienced than Obama’s choices.  So much for Obama’s highly touted ‘judgment’.
          As an aside, neither he nor Laura disgraced and cheapened the office like Obama and Michelle.  They understood what a special place they occupied.  They didn’t use it as a weapon to pay back the generations of ‘perceived’ slights they still keep alive in their hearts.  So much for healing.

    • Anonymous

      What’s wrong with being confident?  I like the guy so far.

  • no longer a dem

    ABO,  Perry was a dem at one point like me, I’m no longer a democrat, but an
    independent, the undemocratic party has gone far far left, and after what I saw
    done on May 31th 2008, the party is less democratic than the republican
    party.

     

    So what Perry campaigned for Al Gore? I voted for Gore, if I was older I
    would have been one of those Reagan dems.  As for the social values, Perry has
    stated on record he stronged backs the 10th amendent, so when he was asked about
    NY’s new gay marriage law, he said while he himself dosn’t support gay marriage,
    as a strong supporter of the 10th amendent, he respects NY’s law, just as he
    would UT”s law banning it;;;  as long as individials, gay, straight, white,
    black, whatever are not discriminated against, I can tolerate Perry’s policy,
    seems to make sense.

     

    I’m pro-choice, the dems can try can scare all they want, won’t work, and
    being pro-choice is not the same as pro-women’s equal rights, I saw how
    “equally” the treated Hillary and her supporters in 2008.

     

    So, I like Perry, I like Romney, heck I would vote for a toilet roll over
    Obama. So I will re-register as a republican briefly to vote for Perry, but if
    Romney wins the repub nominee or a toilet roll, they’ve got my vote and campaign
    time.

     

    A.B.O.   This country will not survive another 4 years of this foolish
    petulant man-child.

    There will be only 2 choices next year, Barry the marxist, or someone else,
    not looking for perfect, just an improvement. And staying home out of a temper
    tantrum is giving a vote to Barry the marxist.

    • no longer a dem

      sorry about the spacing, I’m still new to this blogging thing.

    • Docelder

      So was Reagan once a democrat… Reagan said the party left him… indeed. Now it has left everybody who cares for anything past some single issue agenda.

    • Anonymous

      You have more sense than most conservatives I know.  You’d vote for a toilet roll. 
      I’ll do you one better:  I would vote for a turd over Obama.  
      A turd is less intrusive in our lives and won’t be able to sign any stimulus bills because it has no arms.  
      And it couldn’t stink any worse than Obama does right now. 

    • Anonymous

      Exactly.  But I have already read posts over at Weasel Zippers from staunch neocons who are having a hissy over his statements regarding NY gay marriage.  But this is what we want…someone who will not try to push his personal agenda against the constitution as O’Bumbler has.

      They’d better put on their thinking caps and suck it up because no extreme social laden agenda is going to win over Obama.  People are tired of being told how to live.

  • Anonymous

    Expect to see “Corporations are people” T Shirts if Romney gets the nomination.
    Now I manage 3 small business corporations. Corporations are structures. Corporations are frameworks. They are CREATED BY people.
    Now maybe he meant they encompass people but so do buildings and I haven’t seen the Supreme Court say a building is a person … yet.
    NOTHING created by people is a person except children.

    • Anonymous

      No matter whether corporations are large or small, he meant that people run corporations – people earn a living at every level in corporation – people invest their money and savings in corporations whether it is in direct stock purchase or indirectly through mutual finds or 401Ks or out of their pocket to help start a corporation.

      Liberals use “Corporations” in an irresponsible and demonic way because they believe in socialism, and class warfare, and because in free market capitalism their policies always fail.

      And Romney did hit a cord that he can explain and it will resonate with average people who have lost money in their 401Ks because Obama has been an enemy of business and “corporations” which includes the small business owner who is incorporated.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W6RLFUOLWP23SJ5RQHENEPHKME David L

    Pawlenty dropped out this morning.  I don’t know if he will be missed after his attacks on Bachmann.  I know I won’t miss the pettyness.

  • yttik

    I don’t like Perry at all and I think he’s going to catch himself on fire before the campaigning is over, but I think it’s going to be fun watching him because he at least will fight back.

    It’s kind of astounding to me, with the exception of Bachmann, all these early diversionary candidates don’t have any fight in them. I mean Pawlenty? Romney? Give me a break. You have to not only believe in your message, you have to be able to fight for it.

  • Anonymous

    I think Romney could beat Oblahblah. I don’t think Perry could. As you say, too much of a reminder of Bush and those that couldn’t stand Bush would not be apt to support another Texas Cowboy.

    Straw polls don’t mean much. If they did we would have had Obama vs Huckabee. I find Ron Paul’s perpetual campaign a dead bore. I’m afraid Pawlenty, who I think could have been a good solid president is toast.

    I find Begala’s “crotch” politics about par for the kind of remarks one can expect from the left these days. Either my memory is bad or they once had people of substance that could make a case for “their” candidate instead of the perpetual attacks on the other one.

    Perry may appeal to the base and their obsession with “pecker” politics, as the left is obsessed with “womb” politics but both parties know they have to get the votes from the Independents who don’t much give a rat’s ass about either parties damn social issues. Hell even the conservatives in the Tea Party don’t care much.

    Much as I would like to see a woman in the White House I do not believe for a minute that Michelle Bachmann could beat Oblahblah. And if she did? Has she any more gravitas than he did when elected?

    • Anonymous

      Sorry to be so long winded but I also don’t think the right will sit home like they did with McCain. They now see, or the smart ones do, what their little temper tantrum did. I doubt they want it repeated.

    • Patience

      Ditto Marge

    • puma_for_life

      That’s how I see Bachman; she has no accomplishments or experience, does not know how to get things done, and is all me me me.  She is a conservative Obama.

      (she’s a fighter who has never won a fight because she doesn’t know how).

      • Nobama4me

        I am with you, Puma. She never even ran a state-wide campaign, for crying out loud!And like Perry, she needed the help of the “real” TP leader to win her seat.  Personally, I think the real front-runner is not  even in the race…yet. When she announces, all bets are off.

      • Anonymous

        Although I respect Michelle Bachman, I too am not feeling the prolife meme of hers.  I am former democrat who now considers myself a tree hugging republican who shall remain pro choice. 

        Prolifers although I have to respect their position even if I don’t agree with it, need to simply stop revolving around anything and everything being born.  Then as being “conservative” want to cut social programs that will pay for their views.  Sorry peeps can’t have it both ways.  you can’t be prolife and then stop supporting the losers pumping out kids like its going out of style.  Its one or the other.  How about educating on birth control options including sterilization as an options for the poor who live off government assistance to avoid the argument all together.

         

  • Ferd_Berfle

    The crucial issue will remain the economy. Perry will sink like a stone
    if he persists in pushing or touting a social conservative agenda.
    ==================
    I emphatically agree. The economy transcends all else and I would dare say this country is in an economic existential crisis and nothing else will matter if the economy does not improve or worsens. “It’s the economy, stupid” has never been a more appropriate phrase for an election. We can exist as a nation with or without abortion, gay marriage, stem cell research, and the other hot-button items used to bash an opponent over the head. I don’t think we can if the economy completely collapses. Flash-mobs would be the least of our worries.

    • Anonymous

      Perry will sink like a stoneif he persists in pushing or touting a social conservative agenda.==================”I emphatically agree.”

      And yet, you disagreed with me when I said it and called me a progressive to boot. You are a strange man Ferd.

      • Ferd_Berfle

        Because YOU keep bringing it up as though conservatives are the only ones who do it. I don’t like the neocon agenda any more than I like the progressive agenda and that is the difference between my commentary and yours. If you ever actually READ any of my posts, you would find that I take both sides to task for doing the same thing while pointing an accusatory finger at the other side.

        You keep muddying the waters with irrelevant social issues, pushed by BOTH sides.

        And finally, Perry won’t get his type of social beliefs enacted into law because a majority of the public won’t sit still for it. So again, it is a non-issue for me.

        My other problem is that the morons who are allowed to vote do listen to claptrap such as “Perry will take away a woman’s right to choose” as though he would actually have such power as president. Jesus H. Christ on a crutch, this is just stupid on a sandwich.

        So every time you criticize Perry for belief x, you’re perpetuating the myth that because he believes, so it will be.

        It’s crap.

        • Anonymous

          Perry will sink like a stone if he persists in pushing or touting a social conservative agenda.==================
          “I emphatically agree.”  Ferd

          “Finally, every time you criticize Perry for belief x, you’re perpetuating the myth that because he believes, so it will be.” Also Ferd

          Spoken like a true wedge driving bullshitting politician. Emphatically.

          • Ferd_Berfle

            I stand by what I said. That you can’t read or don’t understand what you do read is on you, chump.

            Emphatically.

    • Docelder

      Perry held the faith rally before announcing… now he has the far right without having to overtly campaign to them. He can talk business and jobs solely and the right will turn out to support him election day. He is being a lot smarter than he is being given credit for on this blog. The mistake would be trying to pick Palin or Bachman as a running mate. we don’t need any more history right now… we need results and we need experience. Coupled with Newt as VP he would invoke the Reagan period republican values he will need and that we are going to need. Perry and Newt could take down the new democrats.

      • Anonymous

        I would vote Perry/Romney or Romney/Perry.  Why not have two strong leaders who seem to have the facts down.

  • Driguana

    Paul Bergala is obnoxious and a complete idiot. So what if Perry got a C in “animal breeding”….at least we know what grade he got! What grade did Obama get in college in constitutional law?

    • Anonymous

      Bergala’s mind seems to be perversely focused on Perry’s sexuality.  Animal breeding?  Crotch?  Come on . . .

      • Anonymous

        Will he take Tingles place as the new closeted reporter?

        • Anonymous

          Yes, he and all his “fellow young legislative aides” couldn’t help but notice how tight his jeans were and how the tall muscular titan kept grabbing his crotch….

    • Anonymous

      can’t be good else they would be bragging about it.    lol

    • Wbboe

      I completely agree.  What does that little ass kisser know about Perry.  Does he know Perry personally, or is he merely repeating dim talking points. Paul is pretty pathetic.  As for Texas A&M again he shows his ignorance.  In the field of agriculture they are one of our greatest institutions, and they have produced a lot of military leaders over the years as well. Again, the little fool has not done his homework.

      • Anonymous

        He doesn’t need to do his homework. Talking out of one’s ass is all the rage in the circles he inhabits.

    • Anonymous

      I’ve been saying this for years, but my theory on why they don’t show any of Obama’s college information is that he was on a foreign student scholarship.  
      I’m sure this will all come out after the Phony One is out of office. 

      • Anonymous

        I’d love it if it was exposed.  Curtains for eternity for the Dim party and well deserved.

    • Anonymous

      I dunno.  Is Animal Breeding 101 a requirement for POTUS?  Could be.  Evidently a non-productive head of the Harvard Law Review, resume boosting Community Organizer was a qualification.

  • annie

    I feel that Perry is too sure of himself just something about him I don’t like.Of course there are other people I wish that were running but they are not yet. I am from MA and I will help Romney get elected and hope that he gets a good candidate for VP. I believe he is alot smarter then the O. 

    • MG

      With you on that one.  Romey did well for a gov in Mass.  He really had to bargain in order to get anything done bc everything was stacked against him.  That is something people didn’t know, its hard to be a Repub. gov in a blue state with an all democratic Senate and HR with a history of total corruption.  
      He was right about healthcare in Mass.  People we going to the hospitals for free care (specially the illegals) despite having the ability to pay for their own insurance.  The hospital were about to tank so something had to be done.  So, he took the steps and I know people who were self employed and got free care.  They weren’t happy about having to pay for their insurance but I was.  They also didn’t pay Taxes (loopholes). But of course having a dem Senate and house perverted what he intended and the current Gov Pat D a dem opened it up to illegals and now we are failing as a State.  The Dem gov has given all ( specially illegals) free cell phones and car loaners to look for work( yeah right…drug dealings and such), no checking for US status so everyone is joining in the GAME.  
      So really guys…you have to see what he intended and how the dems have corrupted it.

    • Anonymous

      The rocks in my back yard are smarter than obamadinejad…lol

      “Say What You Will…It Feels So Good”

    • Anonymous

      “just something about him I don’t like.”   He does sound a bit Bushy: “Perry was a prankster in college. He once placed chickens in the closet of an upperclassman over Christmas, and also utilized M-80 firecrackers
      and knowledge of plumbing to frighten students on the toilet.”
      (Wikipedia)

      But I will suspend judgment until I see how he handles himself in the debates.  I like his military service (a pilot, for real)…..And his wife Anita will be a big plus for his candidacy….

      • Anonymous

        If they are bringing up pranks from college, then the left is desperate to trample Perry.  

        How many people do you know who are in their 60′s who are still doing the idiotic things they did 40 years ago?  
        I don’t know any.  

        I think they are VERY afraid of Rick Perry.  

        • Docelder

          Yes… Romney they call mittens. Perry carries a gun with him when he jogs and once shot a coyote on the jogging path with it. No need to have any Kerryesque goose hunting trips with Perry. Yes… Perry scares them almost as much as Palin does and for some of the same reasons. As he should.

          • Anonymous

            And I still want Sarah to run. 
            *sigh*

            • Anonymous

              I would be happy to see Sarah and Secretary of Energy…that might go a long way in getting us back on track.

            • Anonymous

              Mme. deFarge, I think Sarah would make a better Sec. of the Interior. The Mines and Minerals division is where oil leases and their supervision(including safety inspections) are dealt with and there are, of course, the National Parks. She has excellent experience in dealing with both.

      • Anonymous

        Here is some more on Perry..he does pay-for-play with his donors, apparently. A lot more than his immediate predecessors.
        “Perry has received a total of $37 million over the last decade from just
        150 individuals and couples, who are likely to form the backbone of his
        new effort to win the Republican presidential nomination. The tally
        represented more than a third of the $102 million he had raised as
        governor through December, according to data compiled by the watchdog
        group Texans for Public Justice.

        Nearly half of those mega-donors received hefty business contracts, tax
        breaks or appointments under Perry, according to a Los Angeles Times
        analysis.”

        Here is the article in the LA Times about it.
        http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-0816-perry-donors-20110816,0,6024689,full.story

  • Anonymous

    “Most Americans could care less about … “pecker” politics.”

    Most Americans are not in the Repuke base. Pecker and womb politics, and the politics of My Jesus Is Better Than Your Jesus are a huge hit with the Repuke base.

    Perry could win the nomination with that platform. But it will poison the well for the general election. And even if he loses the nomination the Party will be painted and tainted by the Perry brush.

    • Ferd_Berfle

      All those issues are irrelevant and if you progressives would stop bringing them up and focus on the real issue as LJ writes, we’d all be better off. But that is all you have because nothing else you believe in or push actually works. Nice try, though, and thanks for playing.

      • Anonymous

        “if you progressives would stop bringing them up”

        Fred – Larry brought up Pecker Politics.

        • Ferd_Berfle

          That would be Ferd

      • Docelder

        Democrat politics caters to single issue voters. Period. Some will vote against any republican period. So what… it’s ridiculous these bots come here saying they can’t support somebody who does (insert your single issue here). When they aren’t going to support any republican anyway. Concern trolls stirring the pot. But it’s the economy. Now more than ever… it’s the economy. They can dress somebody up like Perry next time  and push granny off a cliff… but it’s still the economy. 

        • Ferd_Berfle

          And honestly, Doc, it doesn’t matter what Perry thinks on the social issues because most are pretty much decided, anyway, and his beliefs would never have the force of law. It is just a crock of reeking wedge-issue manure they keep wanting to bring back into the debate.

          • Docelder

            Yep… Perry is governor in Texas and welfare still exists… abortion still exists… atheists exist. these are really non issues. It’s the economy… it’s jobs.

    • no longer a dem

      As a pro-choice voter, an ex-dem, now independent, I could care less about social issues this time in 2012. I am more worried about the destruction of the productive economy. Please by all means keep scaring people on social issues, Perry may be against gay marriage, but he is a strong supporter of the 10th amendment, which he has stated on record, so he can respect NY’s choice to support gay marriage, just as he will support UT’s choice to ban it.

      And really, I DO NOT CARE about social issues this time around.  We will be 17+ trillion in debt, and china getting massive in its economy and military… the debt and economy, pro-growth, limited govt policies is what I’m looking for.

      • Daisy Mae

        I agree with this.  Let me add:  I do not like the so-called “social politics” of Pres. Putts, whatever they are (flippy floppy, whatever you want to hear, in whichever sector you are). The socialistic policies I hate. And the present outcomes in the economy are not indicators of success.

      • Anonymous

        “As a pro-choice voter, an ex-dem, now independent, I could care less about social issues this time in 2012.”

        Don’t tell me. You need to tell the candidates with the talking points and pledges. They are still making issues of things most voters don’t care about.

        Personally I’d rather hear a candidate support the Ninth Amendment. The forgotten amendment. As a pro choice voter, you should familiarize yourself with it and why it became an amendment.

        Or maybe the Ninth Amendment, which has been thoroughly trampled by the very big corporations and right wing packing of the courts.

        • Ferd_Berfle

          It is a common error, but an error nonetheless, to talk of ‘ninth amendment rights.’ The ninth amendment is not a source of rights as such; it is simply a rule about how to read the Constitution

          -Laurence Tribe

          • Anonymous

            “The exceptions here or elsewhere in the constitution, made in favor of particular rights, shall not be so construed as to diminish the just importance of other rights retained by the people; or as to enlarge the powers delegated by the constitution; but either as actual limitations of such powers, or as inserted merely for greater caution.”
            - James Madison to Congress in his support for the Ninth Amendment.

            Madison wrote the Ninth Amendment.

            I am pretty sure Madison knew what he meant.

            You really think Laurence Tribe, ad admitted plagiarist who grew up in Southeast Asia and has a Harvard Law degree (sound familiar) knows what Madison meant better than Madison himself?

            Lawrence Tribe was repremanded instead of being canned by Law School Dean Elana Kagan. Tribe rewarded Kagan for the light punishment by publicly urging Obama not to nominate her for Supreme Court Justice calling her a bully and ”not as smart as she thinks she is.”

            I’ll stick with Madison’s interpretation. 

  • Anonymous

    The critical dimension to this race will be………..Who can beat Obama. Anyone of them will get my support.

    • Anonymous

      mine too!!!!

    • Anonymous

      Same here Harp, I am an ABO all the way. That being said let me make it clear by no means does that imply that I agree with all of what any candidate running against Obama has to say, but I am not worried about any single issue, except for the economy. I have no worries that Roe V Wade is going to be overthrown, I am not concerned that we will lose anymore rights under the candidates I see; I am sure we will under Obama. I am sure we will not have a hope to cling to or change in our pockets. I am not going to get involved in support as in promoting whomever it is, unless it is Palin. I am simply going to vote, period. Otherwise I will also do all I can to see that voter rights and acorn crap are kept separate. I figure it must be time to volunteer somewhere involved in the Presidential voting process. Those are the support standards I can offer. I don’t feel anyone is as inexperienced as Obama when he came into office. Its time for me to roll the dice and hope like hell the republican ticket will be a strong one that is difficult to beat, and that no republican fall on their face in some weird ass scandal. If we keep the voting process as clean as we can, at least there will be a chance, because you better believe Obama’s supporters know he is starting to ride low in the toilet and will do whatever it takes to get him re-elected. Hell he has the protection of the justice department, you know there will not be a single follow up on any questionable activities. Time now to get into formation and get ready, know your state/federal voting laws, volunteer to work on the elction commission, or at polls. Go stand guard over voting areas with camera in hand. Be present and be aware, and have more than one plan in advance, particularly if there is any redistricting going on in your state or change of primary voting dates. And, of course, vote. 

      • Anonymous

        I would also add be on the look out for any state legislation that changes voting/and its format in any way. Identification requirements, fights against identification requirements, soldiers ballots being mailed in a timely manner, absentee ballots, student ballots for in state and out of state students, etc. What system is being used for voting, is it the first run for said system. How are counts done, and recounts…. Be aware of dates and deadlines-are they published, is the public informed? Really know your states voting procedures, and hold them to it. Always be on the look out for any change that favors one party over another in time, location, legislation-or gives voting rights to those who should not have them by law. Finally see to it that organizations like Acorn if allowed into this process are met with an equal representation of those watching over their shoulder.

  • politicsisdirty

    ABO

  • Anonymous

    I watched Perry’s announcement twice, and I like his down to earth origins! His father was a veteran and tenant farmer, and Perry also served in the military. I’m planning to donate to his campaign and see how things play out.
    I have seen Romney show some personality in a couple of informal venues. He needs to bring some of that to the campaign trail.
    I will be voting for any republican who gains the nomination, but I do like some more than others.