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Ann Barnhardt’s Crazy SEAL Team Six Conspiracy Theories

Normally I would ignore the rantings of a know nothing like Ann Barnhadt, but her rantings are making the rounds on the internet and a response is warranted.

Barnhardt, who writes at http://barnhardt.biz/index.cfm, pushing the fantasy that Bin Laden was already dead and that the May 1, 2011 hit was pure fantasy:

All were in total agreement that the Bin Laden episode was pure theater. The SEALS were sent into a compound as evidenced by the lost chopper on site. But Osama Bin Laden wasn’t in that compound. Osama Bin Laden has been dead for years. Bin Laden had a genetic condition that caused renal failure (this genetic condition is common among deeply inbred Saudi arab muslims). Bin Laden had been on dialysis BEFORE 9/11. Dialysis is difficult enough for people in first world countries who can have it done in outstanding facilities. Bin Laden was having it done either in caves or in homes post 9/11. People in renal failure having dialysis done in fricking caves do NOT live for ten more years. Period. There was no dialysis equipment found in the compound the SEALS raided on May 2. Of course there wasn’t. Bin Laden wasn’t in that compound because Bin Laden has been dead for years.

Seriously, is she really this delusional?

I have worked with the US Special Ops community for 18 years. I have helped provide training for elite Navy and Army special ops units. I have been fortunate in my life to also have worked at the CIA. I have friends who are still active in key positions in both the military and intelligence community.

The facts are quite simple:

1. In August of 2010 a Pakistani intelligence officer walked into the US Embassy in Pakistan and claimed to have knowledge about the location of Osama Bin Laden.

2. Skeptical of this report, the CIA proceeded to try to verify the walk-in’s claim. By October of 2010, after setting up a safehouse in Abbottabad, the CIA had confirmed the walk-in’s claim.

3. CIA Director Leon Panetta started pressing for a military strike in February 2011 to take out Bin Laden. Obama’s senior advisor, Valerie Jarret, counseled Obama not to go forward unless he had 100% guarantee that OBL was in the compound.

4. By mid-April Hillary Clinton and Bob Gates joined Panetta in pushing for action. Their combined pressure forced Obama to stop dithering and the strike was ordered.

5. Although the SEALs were given the mission (largely because Admiral McRaven at JSOC and Admiral Olsen at SOCOM are both SEALs) the mission was going to be covered by the story that Bin Laden was killed in a drone strike. Senior Pakistani leaders agreed, albeit reluctantly, to allow the US force to enter Pakistan and carry out the hit on the condition that their role was not revealed and that Bin Laden’s presence at Abbottabad was not exposed.

6. When one of the Black Hawk helicopters carrying elements of a SEAL boat team crashed during the assault on the OBL compound, Obama’s National Security Team (Donilon, Brennan and McDonough) decided to bag the cover story and go public with the news that Bin Laden was killed by a team of Navy SEALs.

7. It is true that the Obama White House was trying to milk the maximum political advantage from the news that Bin Laden was dead. In the course of pursuing this objective the Obama team unwittingly compromised classified capabilities of the SEALs and betrayed Generals Kiyani and Pasha in Pakistan by acknowledging Bin Laden had been housed in Abbottabd for years. White House officials, such as John Brennan, briefed reporters on background that the attack was carried out by Navy SEALs.

Barnhardt claims that it was Biden on 3 May who exposed the SEALs.

May 3, 2011: Within hours, Vice President Joe Biden destroys any notions of OPSEC and bellows to the entire world in public remarks at a dinner at the Ritz Carlton that the Bin Laden raid was carried out by “the SEALS”. Within hours Obama regime had gleefully leaked that the raid was carried out by “SEAL Team 6?, also known as DEVGRU. Up until this point in history, all DEVGRU activities and information had been highly classified. Now the term “SEAL Team 6? was blasted across every newspaper in the world, with Disney even moving to trademark the name. The Obama regime wanted the ENTIRE WORLD to know the name “SEAL Team 6?.

Just not true. Do a Google search for yourself. The role of the SEALs was being leaked on the evening of the 1st and appeared in a variety of articles published on 2 May.

Barnhardt spins off into full delusion with her unsupported, specious claim that the Obama Administration set up SEAL Team Six to be executed.

I’ll say what everyone else is thinking but is too scared to say. The Obama regime is almost certainly directly complicit in these deaths. The time, location and most especially, the PASSENGERS in the Chinook were passed to the Taliban. . . .

Why would the Obama regime kill Americans? I think the question is, why WOULDN’T the Obama regime kill Americans? The Obama regime is composed of Marxist-Leninist psychopaths. A glancing, superficial survey of 20th century history shows one glaring fact above all others: MARXISTS MURDER PEOPLE WITHOUT COMPUNCTION. Marxists also hate Americans, by definition.

Regular readers of this blog know that I am no fan of Obama and I will work to defeat him in his bid to be re-elected. It is outrageous, almost criminal, for Barnhardt to accuse Obama and unnamed members of his Administration, of passing info to the Taliban and arranging the murder of our military personnel. No one in the Obama Administration did anything to directly facilitate the death of the SEALs who died on August 6 during an operation to reinforce members of the 75th Rangers who were engaged in a combat op.

Here is a typical example of Barnhardt’s malevolent nuttiness:

WHY WEREN’T OUR NAVY SEALS AND SPECIAL OPS FORCES IN THEIR NORMAL, UPGRADED ARMORED CHINOOK! WHY WERE THEY IN AN UN-ARMORED REGULAR CHINOOK
TRANSPORT HELO?
Tip from Afghanistan:
Posted by Ann Barnhardt – August 7, AD 2011 6:57 AM MST
I received a tip from a soldier stationed with an aviation brigade out of Jalalabad overnight.
“Almost immediately, after news of the crash began to spread, we were placed in an internet and phone blackout. This means communication with family, friends and “others” back home, in real time, is prevented until further notice.
However, there are also chinook pilots, crews and mechanics assigned here who were privy to the details of the crash almost immediately. One of confirmed details they have been discussing is that the chinook shot down belonged to a National Guard unit.

Let’s start with the fact that the pilot and crew of the downed chopper were US Army Reserve not National Guard. I know this firsthand. How? My cousin’s husband is one of the pilots in that unit.

Fact is that US Army Reserve and National Guard pilots fly Special Ops forces in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Back in 2006, for instance, I was sent to Iraq by JSOC. Flying into and out of country I flew on birds piloted by Army Reserve and National Guard pilots. Why? We don’t have enough regular Army and Air Force assets by themselves. Guard and Reserve assets make up the difference.

I can also tell you that pilots in the Olathe based Army Reserve air unit had trained with and flown SEALs previously.

The death of the SEALs was horrible and sad. They were two weeks shy of finishing their tour in Afghanistan. They may have been victims of a suicide bomber on board the chopper. That’s still being investigated. But they were not the victims of an Obama conspiracy. Spreading such a lie is a stain on the memory of those heroes.

Barnhardt needs to shut her yap. She is spreading malicious lies and half-truths. There is plenty of political ammo to use in attacking the sorry record of Obama. Making up bullshit out of ignorance is inexcusable. Let’s stick with the facts.

  • yttik

    I can understand why people come up with bizarre conspiracy theories. We have a media that constantly feeds us misinformation and a government that either outright lies or politicizes everything. There are always so many facts missing and dozens of people more interested in their own agenda rather than in telling you the real story. In that environment everything just screams cover up, including a silly story on dairy cows I watched yesterday.

    I think there’s also a misconception that our government is really organized and clever and capable of orchestrating elaborate conspiracies. It almost makes me laugh typing that, because obviously these people have never spent 3 hours at the DMV.

    I do think it is really inappropriate and tacky for her to be accusing Obama of setting up those Seals. It’s disrespectful of their deaths, but it’s also just plain wrong and contributes to this false notion that Obama is very clever, although evil. He’s neither, he’s simply naive, inexperienced, arrogant, and the master of unintended consequences.

    • Ferd_Berfle

      Agreed. In the absence of truth, which the government seems utterly incapable of providing the public for one sorry excuse or another, we get conspiracy theories to fill the void. It is a well-known secret that we have too many secrets.

    • Ferd_Berfle

      Agreed. In the absence of truth, which the government seems utterly incapable of providing the public for one sorry excuse or another, we get conspiracy theories to fill the void. It is a well-known secret that we have too many secrets.

  • Fygsmom

    YAY FACTS

  • Anonymous

    Speaking of bizarre theories Larry, check out Gordon Duff over at Veterans Today.  I have the utmost respect for veterans and others who have served our country but some of the commentary on that blog is sickeningly chilling.  As in FBI agents used to kidnap children off the street for the purposes of handing over to the pedo’s in Congress.

  • Anonymous

    But Larry, everyone knows that Bin Laden died earlier, was flash-frozen by the CIA and then his frozen body was propped up in a standing position in Abbottabad so the SEALS could shoot him when they came in. The “wives” were Hollywood extras.
    Gosh, everyone knows that!

    • Anonymous

      It’s lucky we have a Hollywood insider to bring us the true info!  Can’t wait for the movie!  An animated version, perhaps?

      • Ferd_Berfle

        Will they call it 0.44? Or maybe just 44.

        Either way, it will be fiction.

        • Wbboe

          Obama will be Agent 000.

          I understand that he was confronted by a tea party leader at one of his love fests. He asked Obama to stop calling American citizens racists and terrorists just because they happen to disagree with him and exercise rights of free speech and free assembly guaranteed under the 1st Amendment.

          Whereupon Obama invited him to speak privately with him about that matter.

          I hope the Tea Part leader told something along the following lines:

          1.  Sir, with all due respect, we do not need a beer summit to settle this issue . . . .

          2.  All I am asking is for you to stop calling American People who exercise their rights under the First Amendment racists and terrorists unless you have credible proof.

          3. In addition, as leader of your party I am asking you to instruct Schumer, Downer, Kaine, Van Hollen et al to cease and desist as well, to eliminate that language from their talking points and take a pledge to that effect

          4. May I have your word on this, as you stand there before us now, and hear my question as you do now, that you will take a pledge to that effect right here and right now?  

    • Anonymous

      Actually his wax likeness in Madame Tussaud’s is actually Bin Laden - stuffed.

  • Anonymous

    Larry, thanks for clearing things up.  I bet you’re right about the suicide bomber.  That’s what I thought when I heard that the bodies were unrecognizable.  

    This incident still stinks to me.  Has someone from the Taliban infiltrated the Afghani Army?  How did they know these guys were all Navy seals? I hope we get more answers in the near future.
      
    In the meantime, I’ll pray for the families of these brave men.  
    Tragic.  
    Just…tragic. 

  • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

    I’m sorry, Larry, you can yell at me but I don’t think the guy they killed in Pakistan was Osama bin Laden and the real OBL was dead years ago. The fact that the quickly “buried” him at sea and didn’t show any visual proof of his death is fishy – and if you recall, the mainstream media actually ran a “fake” Osama bin Laden picture the first day or two before admitting it wasn’t real. In fact, Senator Scott Brown first said he’d “seen” the picture of OBL dead and then later realized it was the MSM fake. 

    Nothing you can say will convince me that there wasn’t something fishy going on with that raid. Oh, I’m sure there was a raid, and I’m sure they fought and killed somebody. But it could have been a fake OBL that the CIA had set up all along.

    Call me an idiot if you will, but my intuition for me trumps any “disinfo” the Pentagon and media might put forth. It was simply too convenient how this whole OBL thing came up right after Trump started making noise about Obama’s birth certificate. It was a perfectly timed distraction. 

    • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

      Oh and PS, the fact that Sony is making a movie about the OBL raid timed to come out a month before the 2012 election doesn’t also raise a red flag with you? C’mon, this whole thing is just massive kabuki theater. 

      • Alex Clary

        What is the value of a movie? Minus costs, perhaps 50 or 100 million if they are lucky. If there was going to be a conspiracy to kill Bin Laden, it would have to be worth many billions of dollars for that to even make any sense.

      • Tommy Ge

        Yep BP, I agree. All kabuki theater coming out of this administration. First we are told that OBL’s body was quickly buried at at sea to avoid him being used as a martyr. BS. If that was the case, why was any of this let out? Why not just go in and kill him, and leave it at that. No, Obama needed to look tough! Now all of this clandestine stuff is being made into a movie! All of that top secret stuff being provided by the Obama administration.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      I know guys on the inside of this and it was a legit hit.  No doubt Obama is trying to use it to his political advantage, but he just got lucky on this.

      Not going to yell at you, but you are dead wrong.

      • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

        I’m sure the guys you know are telling you the truth; what I question is whether they were told the truth. If there was an Osama bin Laden double living in the compound, and only certain higher ups knew about it, then the raid could have been carried out with the participants none the wiser. 

        • Ferd_Berfle

          It is difficult to know what is real any more since politicians and bureaucrats, particularly democrats, seem to suffer from a congenital aversion to the truth.

      • Dbb

        How does a commando kitted out for a helicopter borne raid conceal a suicide bomb best or it’s very obvious bulge from his mates, Larry? I see you’re still peddling Ulsterman bullshit disguised as insider knowledge like your Whitey tape. So while this lady is a ridiculous fantasist, you’re not the one to be calling her out.

        • Ferd_Berfle

          Just who let you and your fellow traveler nqisfun out of Bellview?

        • Ferd_Berfle

          Just who let you and your fellow traveler nqisfun out of Bellview?

      • KentPerry

        You may know people involved with this and they may be telling you all you have told us but THAT doesn’t mean it’s true.   It only means they believe it was him but not even they can prove it.  This is why it was so important to NOT dispose of the body and they KNOW this, but they had no choice really.   I don’t owe Obama a damn thing least of all the benefit of the doubt.    My recall of the things Cheney was toying around with using a seal team for propaganda and all these hit men he was supposedly working with until the entire SEAL team Six fable was debunked as part of the collateral damage throwing Valerie Plame under the bus.  

        The fact is, Bin Laden died not long after 911 and many I know that were close to this, that knew Bin Laden on more than a first time introduction at night in without so much as asking him if he is who they thought, but he looked like the guy they had seen in the photos but he wasn’t Bin Laden and to suggest this President is above using Dick Cheney’s mysterious assassination hit squad to pull off something along the lines of  the stunt they pulled using an actress phony testimony about babies left on the cold floor to die or the Jessica Lynch Rescue or the one they had going about Pat Tillman till his Mother got the truth,, all of that was staged BULLSHIT by our Government and I know unequivocally, Bin Laden was dying back in 2001 – 2002  and that one of his doubles lived in Pakistan and THAT is who they killed.  

        I know they WANT to think they got Bin Laden but they know as well as I do, the holes in this fable are so cooked up and so easy to demolish.  

        You want to believe they killed Bin Laden and I know THEY want to believe they did but knowing his condition and that he had ZERO chance of living another year when he was given his prognosis,  accepting the Obama Saga in just another great aggregation of the many lies he has made where once again, we are supposed to just trust him and his chosen colleagues that always vouch for him, while things like Documents and evidence, or people  are either conveniently destroyed, missing or  dead, and other records are sealed from public view.  

        He then would tell us what is on these alleged documents which totally removes any reason for not showing them.  If something is good enough to put into words, then it’s good enough to put in writing so lets see if what he says is backed up in what is written.  

        Nope, no, only an idiot or someone having nothing to hide would do that and he is neither in that regard.  

        http://ultramedia.freehostia.com/idiots_in_denial/new_pa4.gif

        The last issue I have with this is just WHY should I believe Barack Obama or his circle cabal of criminal mischief when the ONLY reputation he has ever established can be summed up in two equally distasteful alternatives that he uses to either corroborate one, with the other while usually failing to substantiate the whole.  

        These two idiosyncrasies he has relied on since he began his first campaign and are the most compelling arguments to impeach his testimony and they are,

        everything he does is an act and

        everything he says, 

        is a lie

  • Never Say Never

    You may be totally right in your theory, Larry.  However, after the lies and unbelievable things we’ve seen with the Bush Jr. and Obana administrations, I can never say never. 

    • Anonymous

      It’s really hard to believe what they say, isn’t it . . .

      • Ferd_Berfle

        Especially when they’re shaking their heads while they say whatever it is they’re saying. It rather gives it all away.

  • Anonymous

    Well, yes, Ann is one of a kind….

    Here is her hand, holding her pink weapon:

  • Anonymous

    sorry, I also believe bin lizard was dead before.  Benazir Bhutto in one of her final interviews mentioned that everyone knew bin laden was dead except the US.  I just don’t buy that this guy was alive and was more a propoganda bullshit act by the US which cost the soldiers their lives ultimately.   I don’t care if you or anyone feels I’m delusional, on drugs, don’t know what I’m talking about, etc. 

     We all have a right to our opinions and this is simply how I see it.

    • Anonymous

      Anything is possible and plausible. Probable? With actual Navy Seals inolved probaly not.

      • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

        Have you ever met someone who looked like someone else you knew? Sometimes the resemblances between different people, totally unrelated, can be uncanny. If there was an Osama bin Laden lookalike in that compound, how on earth would the SEALs have the time to fully check the guy out and know the difference? OBL would have aged in the past 10 years…and they would be in a hurry anyway and not have time to really scrutinize the guy. Certainly no DNA test would be done there at the fight.

        There have been many reports of fake bin Ladens, and it was also known that Saddam Hussein also used doubles throughout his life. Given the number of reports that bin Laden died years ago (and needed dialysis due to Marfan’s Syndrome), is it highly “probable” that the OBL killed this year was the original one? I have no doubt that most of the people involved in the raid were simply doing their jobs and thought they were getting the real OBL. I simply question whether that man who was thrown into the sea so quickly after the raid was the original Osama, that’s all. And given the way the government so quickly and permanently disposed of the body, it seems “probable” someone was covering something up.

        • Alex Clary

          DNA swab. Osama has relatives in the US, and their DNA is on file.

          What concerns me is that so many people think so highly of themselves that despite having very little knowledge of a situation, feel confident enough to spread conspiracy theories that can be picked apart by most casual observers.

  • HELENK

    both Pakistan and China deny reports the China had access to the downed helo

    http://news.in.msn.com/international/article.aspx?cp-documentid=5370398

    I do not know if Pakistan would allow them access but I would not doubt that they would.

  • Scottymac54

    Everyone has an agenda nowadays, and there have been so many lies, cover-ups, and disinfo, that Americans are wise not to outright dismiss anything they hear because they are told it is a “conspiracy”.

    Be patient.  The truth will be revealed.

    • Anonymous

      The last line is sarcasm, right?

      • Scottymac54

        No, I’d never be sarcastic regarding such a serious issue.

        The truth will be revealed.

      • Ferd_Berfle

        I’m still patiently waiting to find out what came down in Roswell, NM back in 1947….
        ===============
        Weather balloons apparently filled with Argon or Krypton so they would sink rather than rise.

        Uh, yeah.

      • Anonymous

        I did…my buddies were disected but I escaped….

  • Anonymous

    Thank you Larry; I will say this one small thing without revealing too much-many soldiers also were delayed in their homecomings because of the downed forces. Much more was at risk than people realize. I normally don’t care when people go off on their theories, but this one can cause harm and danger for our troops, as well as soil their good name, and that I won’t stand for.

      ” There is plenty of political ammo to use in attacking the sorry record of Obama. Making up bullshit out of ignorance is inexcusable. Let’s stick with the facts.”

    Exactly

    • Anonymous

      What I am saying is it is far more plausible that the Aghans were trying to shoot down forces who were redeploying from country, and just got this group instead~and the other likely scenario as Larry says is that someone on the transport had explosives and was working undercover. It isn’t all that uncommon for Afghans or Iraq’s loyal to the cause to do such a thing. Ft Hood, anyone? 

      Also a specific question for Larry-Have you ever read “On Combat” by David Grossman?

      • Ferd_Berfle

        What I am saying is it is far more plausible that the Aghans were trying
        to shoot down forces who were redeploying from country, and just got
        this group instead
        =====================
        Especially considering the roundabout way forces redeploying to the mainland must go to get out of Afghanistan.

  • Anonymous

    I never heard of this person and had you not brought her up would have gone through life never reading a word she posts.

    I am certain there was plenty of evidence seen by more than the inner circle of the administration to corroborate what transpired and the taking out of Bin Laden.

  • Lupe

    Hmmm….I’ve never heard of Barnhardt before.  I’ll have to check up on her….getting this much and this kind of attention suggests to me that she might be someone worth listening too.  I say that because she certainly is not the only web denizen making these claims, many of whom are quite knowledgeable, quite intelligent, and with their own sources of very credible intelligence.

    If 9/11 happened the way our government says it happened, then this Obama saga would seem to be a logical conclusion to the government’s 9/11 storyline.  However, if the buildings didn’t come down the way our government wants us to believe, then their Obama saga is almost a minor, trivial…convenient…. embellishment of their huge 9/11 deceit.

    My engineering training convinces me that all of the Trade Center buildings fell because of some form of controlled demolition and the real story, from start to finish, is much different than…we are led…to believe.

    • BINKY

      http://www.barnhardt.biz

      She minces no words about Islam!

    • Ferd_Berfle

      I would wager that you also think that the moon landings were all staged.

      • texmexsoup

        they weren’t all staged? before my time….

      • texmexsoup

        they weren’t all staged? before my time….

        • Anonymous

          I know they were staged.  I remember the documentary film that exposed the scandal.  I think O. J. Simpson was one of the astronauts….

    • Alex Clary

      I feel bad for whatever mechanical engineering program had you. The World Trade collapse is well-documented and has been analyzed by many engineering groups.

  • nqisfun

    “Barnhardt needs to shut her yap. She is spreading malicious lies and half-truths.”

    Sounds likes Barnhardt should be a writer for NQ with those qualifications. 

    • nqisfun’s suffering accountant

      Your lobotomy and subsequent surgical removal of your head from your posterior has put you in a financial hole, nq. Please go back to work and stop frittering away valuable time posting garbage on the internet.

      –Your accountant.

    • Anonymous

      Were you born stupid or did the OBGYN doc slip and drop you in the waste pail? Coz clearly something happened to you to make you turn out so bitter at the world.

    • Ferd_Berfle

      Looks as though you’ve been “liking” your own comments, troll. It must be a difficult life for you, living in Mommy’s basement with only a bag of cheetos and a glass of Kool-Aid for company.

      • nqisfun

        Talking to clouds again… rahhharahhh “get off my lawn” Ferd…

        • Ferd_Berfle

          Yes, you are a cloud, dink. Here’s another flag for your very own.

          • nqisfun

            rahhrahhharahhh… flag, flag, flag…  you are a funny person old man Ferd with your flags…

            • Ferd_Berfle

            • Ferd_Berfle

              nqisfun as it responds to rational argument.

            • Scottymac54

              Would that be a “false flag attack”?

              LOL!!

            • Scottymac54

              It’s a “false flag attack”!

              LOL!!!

    • Anonymous

      Well, since you’re here all the fucking time, you must like reading the articles posted.  The writers here are thoughtful and well informed, so you are just plain full of shit.

  • nqisfun

    One question, if they were going to cover up the Seal/helicopter raid with a drone strike how exactly were they going to do that? Plenty of neighbors came out on to the street, as they heard the attack and likely heard and saw the helicopters. There were plenty of witnesses. Also, what were they going to do; drop a bomb on the compound after the fact to claim it was a drone attack?

  • Anonymous

    O/T

    MUST SEE:
     
    Obama’s Frightening Bus Tour

    Keith Koffler
    on August 16, 2011

    If you have children, don’t let them see this. Put on one of the Friday the 13th movies for them and watch it yourself.This is some great video of the Obama Spookymobile cruising through some town in Minnesota. As a reporter I’ve seen and been in a lot of presidential motorcades, and I’ve never seen anything this long. There must be an army a secret service along for the ride – undoubtably a good idea – as well as a slew of White House staff.

    http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2011/08/16/obamas-frightening-bus-tour/

  • candymarl

    I grieve for the loss of our own.  However this is a true story.

    When the 1st Gulf War broke out I told my people “War just broke out”.  None of us had access to a radio or TV.  I just knew from the job I did. When we came to work the next day they all looked at me with worshipful eyes and asked “How did you know?”

    All I told them was that I’d been doing this for a very long time.
    OSAMA was our boy when the Russians invaded.

    Maybe he was our boy this time. Or not. 

  • MG

    Ok, I’m going to change the subject a bit…about Perry:
    http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Perry-Muslims-president-2012/2011/08/16/id/407505?s=al&promo_code=CD88-1.
    Ok, he made changes to teach about Islam.  Well, why not teach about the Buddha, Hindu, The Pope, and other religions in the public school system.  Wait, didn’t the atheist sue so religion and or prayer be not allowed in the public school system.  So why is islam given a pass? Where are the atheist in this one?  Didn’t the atheist protest about the ten commandments being in front of the court house?  Why are they not protesting against Shari’a law being part of the OUR legal system?  Can the Catholics demand that cannon law be part of our legal system?  Oh Hell!  Lets just include  Hindu, Mormon, Protestant, Anglican, shintu, Christian science and any other laws into our legal system so no one feels excluded!  

    • Ferd_Berfle

      You forgot Taoism. The great uncarved blockhead in the WH would be miffed.

  • Wbboe

    Larry—

    Is there a possible connection between Brennan’s disclosure and the subsequent death of SEALS  in the helicopter incident? 

    The reason I ask is because you say that Brennan’s disclosure  “compromise(d) the classified capabilities of the SEALS.”

    Since I do not know what specific capabilities he compromised, I cannot tell if is a causal connection myself.

    Please advise.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      We’re dealing with an unfortunate occurrence.  If you knew what these guys have been doing on a daily basis over the last 9 years you’d be more shocked that something like this has not happened more frequently.

      • Johnny Genlock

        Richard Marcinko, co-founder of Seal Team Six, spoke of how often highly trained Seal Team members were used for grunt work by the higher up brass who had no respect for their abilities as a resource.  Is it this kind of abuse/mis-use of a valuable resource you’re talking about, Larry?  

      • Johnny Genlock

        Richard Marcinko, co-founder of Seal Team Six, spoke of how often highly trained Seal Team members were used for grunt work by the higher up brass who had no respect for their abilities as a resource.  Is it this kind of abuse/mis-use of a valuable resource you’re talking about, Larry?  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W6RLFUOLWP23SJ5RQHENEPHKME David L

    The real truth is that Abraham Lincoln is not dead, he lives in a bunker under the Lincoln Memorial, he planned this whole thing.  US Grant piloted the first Blackhawk chopper in the OBL  raid, Gen George Armstrong Custer actually flew the other, the one that crashed, George could never do anything right.  Everything else is hazy, Grant had a drinking problem you know.  Debriefing these two morons proved quite impossible, so, Al Gore was brought in to concoct a story, he had done very well with his global warming theory, and the inventing the internet scam.  As Paul Harvey used to say, Now you know the rest of the story !! 

  • elaine

    Larry, Off topic but want to make sure you’re aware that Navy vet, Donald Vance’s lawsuit against Rumsfeld is moving forward.  It’s an interesting & scary tale of corruption, cover-up, failure to protect & torture of 2 U.S. citizens who were alledegedly acting as whistle blowers. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IEBTEF3GHLDGZDQZAYC2X4PVUI Robert

    I can’t say whether I agree with you or Ann but I can say that something does not seem right having 22 Navy Seals on the same helo. If you are trully connected to the Seals you will know that they travel dispersed on seperate birds with air support. I’m not saying that the Whitehouse is involved nor am I saying that the Bin Laden raid was a farce, but I am saying it does not add up that 22 men from the same unit were killed. The Navy Seals are meant to be invisible. They are stealth warriors and until recently; non existant to the public. I’m not saying it is the Obama administration, the Pentagon or the media, but I will say that no one should have even known about the helicopter being shot down and identified until the family members were notified. I do respect your views but I do think there is a degree of cover-up. The morning that I heard the news something just did not add up. I think there should be a foraml investigation on this. If there is nothing shady the White House and the Pentagon should be willing to lay the cards on the table. Until then, more and more people are going to be left wondering, “what really happened.”  I think until someone can disprove Ann, this story will grow longer legs and travel to more and more inquiries. Also if Osama was killed in that raid, it was the Bush Administration that should be congradulated. It is ironic that there is going to be a movie made about this event one month before the 2012 election. I pray that the truth is exposed before then.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      No, you really don’t know what you are talking about.  Stop pretending that you really know what the SEALs do and do not do.  I’ve only been involved in training them for 18 years. So I guess in your book I’m just spouting an opinion.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IEBTEF3GHLDGZDQZAYC2X4PVUI Robert

        To make my point clear; no one (in the public sector)knows what really happened. I do respect that you have trained with the Seals for 18 years. It has nothing to do with who the Seals are and what they do, it has to do with the protocol that was ordered to them. Before the ‘Bin Laden’ raid no one knew who Seal Team Six was. They are stealth operatives and are not supposed to be identified to the public.

        I know that none of the Special Operations teams would ever be placed with such a large number (other than the armored chinook). Not even Rangers or Special Forces would be sent like that. I may not know “enough about the Seals” but I have a strong intuituion that something was not right about the operation. I won’t even talk about my credentials and what I have experienced but I am entitled to state my case as well as you are. I do apologize for discrediting your involvement with the Seals and meant no disrespect, but I have served in the military and I know that even if you have trained with them, there is still many aspects that are not made known to anyone other than the operators. If you did it would violate the code that makes special operatives what they are. Where I was stationed, our officers did not even know anything until the orders were given. I am a veteran so yes I do have a bit of insight.

        I don’t think you are spouting an opinion, I have just read many conflicting accounts and I know that there are those in uniform ordered to keep their mouths shut and it just seems too suspicious. Whether I read your article and Anns or not, I base my decision on what I already sensed when I suddenly woke up the morning the incident happened and that is not based on anything I know about what the Seals do. but I do know that they always travel on seperate transportation with air protection when they enter enemy air space. I know for a fact that both Rangers travel in small elements; always and that the Seals are far superior too them. The bottom line is that my prayers go out to the families and loved ones of those effected and may the truth be exposed.

        • Anonymous

          That’s what I was upset about.  Why were so many Seals from that Unit on the same chinook?
          Who KNEW they were on that flight?

          Stinky stinky stinky.  

        • Anonymous

          Here’s where you are off-based. These units do travel at times on a single aircraft. In this particular case they were on call as the QRF for that night.

          Your mistaken belief that they fly around in “armored chinooks” is just Hollywood bullshit. I’m not going to get into the particulars of the sof air assets and how they are deployed. Suffice it to say that taking a ride on an US Army Reserve bird is not unusual. Maybe not the preferred option, but this fell into the routine, response category. This was not a SOF mission a la taking out UBL.

  • wanderer

    The administration absolutely guaranteed the spinning of massive, crazy conspiracy theories when it ordered OBL’s body cremated and buried at sea, instead of ordering it to be preserved, brought back to the US, thoroughly examined and autopsied, DNA identified, stuffed, and then put on public display.

  • NotSuchAYoungOne

    Thanks for clearing this up, Larry. Hadn’t heard the theories being set forth but it was obvious they would come.

    My only small nitpick is with regards to Pakistan. They have drug their feet, aided and abetted both Al Qaeda and various Taliban factions, arrested and detained American operatives, and may have had a larger role in terror attacks on the US and her interests than a theoretical Iran did in the neocons’ wishful thinking. To some extent, even though it might work against our best ineterests, I was mildly happy to see Pakistani officials exposed as phonies who are not really helping as much as the press would have us believe. Do you think I’m wrong about that? How so? As I recall they kept a lot of details pre-raid from Pakistani officials because they feared it being leaked by Pakistani intelligence to OBL allies.

  • kerry anderson

    Hopefully Ms. Barnhardt’s inquisitive commentary will encourage you to pursue this further….we are all very skeptical with good cause about the way our government has handled the OBL take down as well as this helicopter tragedy.

  • Bountyhunter

    My question is, Why did the Seal team go into a firefight instead of Marine Recon? Is this a normal practice for the Seal Teams? I thought their Specialty is extraction of Hostile Combatants, not to fully engage a Regular Army unit. Perhaps even Delta is more suited for this mission. So let the Conspiracies Fly. 

  • bing

    then why did the Taliban acknowledge his death within a day or so of the event?

  • Proshop40

    You maybe right but still no body no pictures and a no supporting doc’s to back your statement up. Just words like our president uses just words with no meaning to support the answer. I work special ops as well.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carol-Jean-Goodwin/1513718033 Carol Jean Goodwin

    Where did the information come from about Bin Laden’s ‘renal failure’ come from? Where did she get the story that he had been dead for years?  Anything is possible but this sounds a bit fishy to me. I am not standing up for Obama as I have no use for anyone who lies as much as he does and this Ann Barnhardt is sounding like a bit of a prevaricator herself! 

  • JANEY

    I BELIEVE  BINLADIN DIED YEARS AGO.  IN THE OLD VIDEOS HE LOOKED OLD AND SICK WITH A LONG GREY BEARD.  IN THE LAST COUPLE OF  YEARS THE LATEST VIDEOS SHOWED HIM AS A HEALTHY MAN WITH A DARK SHORTER BUSHY BLACK BEARD. THERE IS NO RECOVERY FOR KIDNEY DISEASE. I THINK HIS DEATH BY OUR MILITARY IS A HOAX AND THAT A LOOK ALIKE WAS USED FOR OSAMA.

  • JANEY

    I BELIEVE  BINLADIN DIED YEARS AGO.  IN THE OLD VIDEOS HE LOOKED OLD AND SICK WITH A LONG GREY BEARD.  IN THE LAST COUPLE OF  YEARS THE LATEST VIDEOS SHOWED HIM AS A HEALTHY MAN WITH A DARK SHORTER BUSHY BLACK BEARD. THERE IS NO RECOVERY FOR KIDNEY DISEASE. I THINK HIS DEATH BY OUR MILITARY IS A HOAX AND THAT A LOOK ALIKE WAS USED FOR OSAMA.

  • Oxnobious

    Barnhardt’s comments are at least partially believable. The idea that a DNA test could be completed within 24 hours, the results verified, and still bury Bin Laden at sea to honor the Muslim faith is so far-fetched as to bring into question other aspects of the whole mission. It appears that once again the truth has been preempted by political ambition. Let’s just imagine that President Bush released that kind of information . . . the national media hue and cry would be deafenining. Any idea why it took us so long to “find” Osama Bin Laden? We’ve been played for a gaggle of dull-witted chumps. Sad part about it is, now our government is being played the same way.

  • Popknot

    OBL was dead. He was on kidney dialysis before 9/11. the average life expectancy is about 4 years, IF you’re not hiding in a cave.

    ALSO, like Ron Brown, the chinook probably wasn’t brought down by the other side. But by the ones with the most to gain. POTUS needed an “october surprise” and the OBL death, which was probably being saved for the reelection, was rolled out.

    It does not dishoner those lost to bring about the truth of their death. It dishonors them to mindlessly accept the pablum/lies spread by the powers-that-be.

  • see it all in color

    not buying it, ben laden was already dead that story on how they killed him pure comedy and then seal team 6 ends up dead ? that story was made up to make obama look good to take americas mind off what a jerk he is.

  • Biglou

    well i don’t know where i stand here
    what i believe

    first take is larry is the voice of reason here
    no grassy knoll cuban psycho nut jobs;;;

    ann is the nut job here
    but maybe she’s right
    maybe the gov’t would lie

    i suspect she’s wrong
    wacky and nutty

    but even if wrong about obl love her take on muslim extremism

    4 in the morning-play some leonard cohen

    we’ll see….

  • Mo_abdula

    Ann claims that Biden exposed the SEAL team on May 3rd and you point out that the media was reporting that the SEAL team was involved on May 1. This refutes any claim that the White House leaked the info about the SEALS how?

    • Alex Clary

      He was refuting Ann’s claim. The White House released the information because it was obvious what had happened and lying about it would make them look bad. That there is a highly-trained special ops force nicknamed ST6 is an open secret and has been since at least the early 90s, if not earlier.

  • Buzz

    Larry I’ve done a little time working with the CIA and nothing in my experience precludes Barnhardt’s statements from being possible.
    So many levels of deception are built into each operation that no one suspects they are a tool adding to plausable denial. What ever you think you know is just a possibility of what has actually occurred.

  • http://twitter.com/rfisk Rick Fisk

    Bin laden died in 2001. The last verified video and speech of him was then. You’re assertions to the contrary are not backed by anything but superstition and absolute belief that US intelligence agencies and the press are pure as the driven snow.

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  • Doritomig

    She just spoke out loud what a lot of us ‘whacko fringers’ thought as soon as we heard it… And I would even go so far as to say that losing 20 of our best seals in one helicopter was a way to silence the rest of the seals from ever talking with a real threat of assassination.

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  • Bobpurser

    It is particularly interesting that such a large number of individuals continue claiming they knew those from the Seal Team.
    I’m sorry but it speaks cover-up, cover-up, cover-up.
    Who do you believe? Those on the left or those on the right.
    ALWAYS  buy into the side on the opposite of the politicians side.
    Liars, liars, liars, liars, liars!

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  • Anonymous

    If you’re going to keep photos of the event secret and immediately bury the body at sea then of course you shouldn’t be surprised when people start questioning your veracity.

    She certainly is correct in her general assessment of Islam as a political organisation at war with the rest of Humanity and we also know without doubt that this administration is fantastically corrupt, even by Washington standards. It is now more logical to expect what we are being told to be a lie rather than the truth. I feel that floating conspiracy hypotheses is not as unreasonable a tactic as you seem to believe.

  • David Huck

    Yeah, you need to wake up buddy, remember how Dec 7, 1941 went down? That was a stand down, and its in the history books. You don’t think the money-military-industrial complex would kill a few young americans to perpetuate the lie?

  • Dqfreemind

    I’d believe Ann Barnhardt long before I believe anything the Government says. The government lies, conspires and lies some more because it is in their interest to do so.
    Ann Barnhardt has no reason to lie. Common sense, Larry, common sense.

  • http://twitter.com/WayOffTheRecord terry howard

    There’s probably more truth to her ‘nuttiness’ than this article would dare to admit….

  • Anonymous

    People in renal failure having dialysis done in fricking caves do NOT live for ten more years. Period. There was no dialysis equipment found in the compound the SEALS raided on May 2.
    This was never addressed.
    Then there is beyond partisan comment regarding the timing of the upcoming movie. B. Hussein Obama doing the intro?

  • Anonymous

    or she’s spreading the truth and that makes you uncomfortable. Ann Barnhardt’s zeal for the truth and her intuition and intellectual sharpness makes her a national treasure by default.
    I’ll accept her insight at face value and without compromise.

  • http://www.nleomf.org/officers/ FlatFoot

    Anything short of kidney transplants, which sure as heck isn’t like walking into a clinic and having an ingrown toenail removed, dictates that OBL was dead and rotted away long before BHO personally saved the world from OBL.

    And until the citizens of the USA are shown incontrovertible proof by this seditious and morally bankrupt Obama Administration otherwise — that is and always will be the naked truth.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CCDDFMJE6CF4O2KG2HWW25IRKU R T

    I find anything coming from our media and our government hard to believe. Since the late 1980′s, when a girlfriend’s father (Air Force C130 Pilot), told me what “actually happened during the Iran Hostage Crisis Rescue attempt (Operation “Eagle Claw”, April 1980). The “cover” story was that one of the helicopters (with partial hydrolics damage) crashed into one of the C-130 aircraft (containing fuel), destroyed both aircraft. The mission was aborted.
    The real story comes from the pilot of one of those C-130’s and in 1990 told everyone at his Thanksgiving dinner table (including me)  “what really happened” on that mission… there was no accidental helicopter crash, rather two Russian MiG-25’s took out that helicopter and the C-130, forcing the mission to abort. They had been ‘made’, and had no other choice than to bug-out!
    So the lesson here, is rather than tell another embarrassing truth to the public, Carter and his administration (who were trying to save his shot at a 2nd term with this rescue op) spun the aforementioned story. Had Reagan been in office those few weeks earlier, he would have taken those MiG fighters out!
    Moral of the story, don’t believe what you hear!

  • http://www.facebook.com/sbroiles Steven Broiles

    I’ve heard you on John Batchelor before, and you’re pretty good. But for someone who claims to be so anti-Obama, you certainly seem to bend over backwards to accommodate the Henry Jamesian comedy of manners. Just because Ann Barnhardt has histrionic personality disorder (what most people call “rabies,”) is no excuse to dismiss her out of hand. Bin Laden has been dead for years, Obama IS a liar (and he’s a pretty lousy one at that) and he IS a loser. Face it: You’re professionally jealous that ANYONE would DARE to grab their spot in the limelight! (And, NO, I am not marrying Miss Barnhardt!)

  • Undecider

    It’s been admitted by several White House insiders (Madelin Albright, Dr. Steve Pieczenik, etc.) that OBL had been
    dead for years (late 2001/early 2002). It was published in the [more trustworthy]
    international media that he died some time ago.

    Once again, the real disinfo is how SEAL Team 6 killed a “live” OBL. Maybe his body was there. But “he” wasn’t there.

    Americans love fairy tales and just can’t seem to grow up. Don’t worry, you can keep your worship of those in uniform as you grab your ankles for the TSA. Since you believe in the war on terror, make sure you don’t miss out on any of the trappings. You can sing “God Bless the USA,” while you’re sitting in a FEMA camp.

    Side note, ask yourselves why much of SEAL Team 6 was set up for assassination by the very people who sent them after OBL? Is there some word their masters didn’t want to get out? The same happened to the people tasked with sneaking out a nuke on a B-52 pylon for Dick Cheney.

    Pull your heads out and think for a moment. The war on terror is a total fraud.

  • David

    Larry,
    You offer no evidence that it was Osama except a lone informant and the CIA. What about the burial at sea which no one witnessed? Barnhardt’s opinion agrees with most of what I have read outside the mainstream media.

  • http://twitter.com/TheMadElephant Jim A. Campbell

    Let’s see a know nothing like Ann Barnhardt? Let’s be clear, it was revealed two days ago that Obama conveniently made the announcement 3 days after the event allegedly happened. Now if he did that to cover and court hearing to determine if he were a natural born citizen, think about it Mr. know it all, this was his planned October surprise to win the election going away. Get a clue before dissing somebody of Ann’s stature. I’m J.C.
    I will take all comers on this story, Osama died in the early 2000′s post 911 Prove me wrong you sanctimonious prick.

  • eruaran

    I decided to watch one of her videos and though I thought she seemed a little “off” she at first made sense and it sounded solid… but as the minutes went by I became less convinced. The clincher came when she said that people who don’t believe in charging interest on loans are anti-semites, while she had a kind of Glenn Beck crazy eye look going on… She completely lost me at that point and I couldn’t watch any more.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kim.stempien Kim Stempien

    I too believe that Bin Laden could well have been dead prior to this staged event. Where’s his body (that Obama & friends claimed had been dumped at sea)? Where are the photos? The only photos we have are of the compound post attack, and of Obama & friends looking horrified watching SOMETHING, but only by their word would we think they were watching Bin Laden being captured/killed…and we know how good Obama’s “word” is (think middle class tax hikes, NDAA, Guantanamo, torture, etc.) Nothing wrong with some good, old-fashioned CRITICAL THINKING by Barnhardt. At least someone’s not drinking Obama’s Koolaid!

  • Marc

    Sorry , you might have friends every where in the intelligence community, but looks like you know nothing about KH-12 and KH-13. Bin Laden was desintegrated on February 2002.

  • gordythreehorses

    she is not but you are. you know nothing, obama loving, commie fag, and i hope you die in a most hideous way