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The Lost American Work Ethic

Work!?

Immediately, we old codgers remember Maynard G. Krebs, the goateed, sweat-shirted beatnik, played endearingly by Bob Denver, on the early 60s TV show “The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis.”  Any time the word “work” was said in Maynard’s presence, he would go wide-eyed in alarm and squeak out “Work!?”  The very idea of work was frightful and appalling to Maynard.   Millions of today’s young folks should be able to relate to him.  Hell, they ARE him!

Unemployment is sky high, and it has been for over three years.  So you would think that when a company advertises for young people to hire, they’d be overwhelmed with applications, but that’s not true for many employers.

I speak from first-hand experience.  Part of my job is recruitment of new hires.  The positions we need to fill are in light construction, either in the field or in our metal shop.  If I place an ad, I consider myself lucky if I get more than two applications.  If I schedule two applicants for interviews, it’s likely that neither one will show up.  At least the bums didn’t waste more of my time pretending to want a job.

Even if we interview someone who is capable of doing the job and we make an offer, they often will accept the job during the interview, then not show up for work.  Sometimes they do all the paperwork of a new hire, and I give them the form to take to the clinic for a drug test, and that’s the last I see of them.  It’s extremely frustrating, to say the least.  We have more work than we can do, we offer competitive wages and benefits, and we can’t get anyone to take the job.  Apparently the young dudes don’t need to work anymore.  They are living off their girlfriends, their parents, or the government.  Or all three!

It becomes pretty clear to us — after this happens consistently for over a year — why these guys don’t accept a job.  They never wanted it in the first place.  They are obligated to apply for jobs to continue getting their unemployment benefits.  But we sure as hell know what they don’t want: “WORK!?”

There’s absolutely no doubt that many people, most of them supporting families, have been saved from complete financial ruin by the unemployment benefits that have been extended well beyond the customary 13-week average during normal times.  What is it now?  Like 99 weeks?  It’s an absolute godsend for honest people victimized by the economic crisis, but it’s just another entitlement for the lazy-ass layabouts, slackers, and cheats.

Officially, some 9% of our work force is unemployed, but the  well-informed know that 9% only represents those people drawing unemployment benefits.  In reality, I think it’s more like about 20% of the work force that is unemployed for one reason or another.  And I have no doubts anymore that at least half of the ones drawing unemployment now consider it their primary vocation.  They’re professional gamers of the system.

These are able-bodied young people who are just enjoying the gravy train.  What a ride!  Work a few months, get fired, and spend the next few months sleeping in and playing with their iPads.  If money gets too tight, of course they’ll go crying to their parents who in all likelihood will bail them out by paying their rent so they don’t get evicted and have to move back home.

What a dilemma we have!  If we cut long-term unemployment benefits, it sends many thousands of honest households into bankruptcy and even homelessness.  If these people don’t have money for basic needs, there is even less commerce, therefore, less need for workers.  But by extending benefits for such long periods, we’ve created an underclass of loafers who have forgotten what it’s like to work for a living.  They’ve gotten soft and dependent on government handouts instead of working hard at finding work!

This unemployment benefit thing is only one aspect of the lost American work ethic.  For years, it’s been a nightmare finding good help for average jobs.  I think it started in the 80s, maybe earlier, but it seems  like each successive generation spoils their kids more than the previous, like more and more young people were being raised without being taught a work ethic.

If those kids in the 80s were slackers then, they’re now in their 40s, and a good number of those people still have no work ethic.  And those people now have lazy teenagers with no responsibilities… but they have every electronic gizmo on the market.  They may live in a shabby apartment and drive an old car, but they’ve all got 2-way TV phones that even Dick Tracy would envy!

Every time I talk to another employer, the talk turns to this topic.  Kids today do NOT want to do actual labor.  They expect that “work” means sitting at a computer so they can surf the web and chat with friends on Facebook when the boss isn’t looking.  Or maybe they “work” at a retail store or fast food place, where there’s a bunch of other kids their age so they can yak it up and socialize with each other while their adult customers grind their teeth as they wait to get some service.

How many times have you stood in the checkout lane of a store, waiting to pay for your groceries, and the cashier and the boy bagging your food are engaged in a conversation or flirtation?  They’re totally ignoring you as they slide your purchases over the scanner and stuff them into bags, and the first acknowledgment of your existence is when the cashier announces your total and sticks her hand out for your money.

I’ve talked to employers in other parts of the country, too, and it’s the same thing everywhere, apparently.  Can’t get anyone to take the jobs.  Can’t get them to perform well and be productive if it means actually doing physical labor.  And can’t get them to stay on the job once you’ve spent weeks training them.  They just have no concept of what a work ethic is.  They show up late, drag their feet on the job, complain about the work, and want to go home early.  They think a 40% chance of rain means they don’t have to show up that day.

I had chores as a child.  Before I was a teen, my father was taking me to work with him.  He owned a window cleaning business, and had some nighttime janitorial jobs on the side to keep his workers busy.  He had several employees, and Dad made enough money to belong to the local country club, where he spent most afternoons playing golf and drinking with the other business owners.  But whenever his employees didn’t show up for work for whatever reason, I got drafted.  He always paid me something, but it wasn’t about the money.  For me, it was about helping Dad.  It was what passed for quality time.  Really, I have rather fond memories of it.  I enjoyed working.  It made me feel important to be the person who emptied all the wastebaskets that night!

When I became a teenager, every boy my age that I hung out with had a job.  At 14, I started as a car hop at a drive-in burger joint.  I worked my way up for two years, to fry cook, then grill cook, and by the age of 16 I was night manager.  Almost all the guys I knew were working by the age of 15.  As we got driver’s licenses, we got better jobs.  My friends and I had to pay for our cars with our own earned money – our parents didn’t give us cars.  In my circles, a guy without a job was a guy without a car.  If you paid for your car with your own money, you took pride in it, you appreciated it, even if it was an old rusty clunker that was hard to start and had bad suspension.  Actually, that last phrase kind of describes me lately!

I also worked many short-term jobs when I was young.  There was always somebody looking to have their lawn mowed, their sidewalks cleared of snow, or dandelions to be dug up.  And my friends and I would always be happy to oblige if it meant a few bucks in our pockets.  Having our own money, which we worked hard to earn, was a great feeling.  Being able to pay for things with your own hard-earned money made a boy feel like a man.  And if he really wanted to feel like a man, he could buy a pack of Luckies from the machine for half a buck.  And if he was really feeling lucky, he had coins for those machines in the men’s room.  As the Boy Scouts say, “Be Prepared.”  But I digress…

Anyway, it just rankles my ass that with unemployment so high, and with assistance for needy families increasing our national deficit, meaning higher taxes for us all eventually, and the unemployment hurting small businesses because fewer people have money to spend – with all the problems unemployment creates, some companies can’t even get suitable workers to apply for job openings.  When employers hire young people, who should be grateful as hell to be employed, many of them are piss-poor employees who are unproductive, untrustworthy, and just passing through.

Of course this doesn’t apply to all young people, or all job types.  But I am confident that if you ask employers across this country about the work ethic of today’s young people, if you ask employers in fields like construction or other physical labor jobs, you’re going to find many of them agreeing with what I’ve written here.

Our American work ethic is in serious trouble.  And it just may be that many small business employers are finding a stronger work ethic among legal immigrants who come to America to work – I mean actually WORK.  Industrialists may find a stronger work ethic in the countries where they have moved their factories.

Employers and policy makers are not the only ones bearing the blame for our lingering unemployment problem.  Part of the blame must rest with parents who coddled their kids instead of teaching them ethics, how to appreciate earning what you want.  But ultimately, a lot of the blame sits squarely on the heads of people, especially younger people, who have no work ethic and expect the government to support them all their lives.

I’m not downplaying the serious unemployment problem this economy has created in this country and many others.  If you’re looking for an office job, you’re probably SOL.  But if you’re an employer looking for able-bodied young folks to do physical work… well, all I can say is “let me know how that works out for you.”

  • sanschu

    I agree with everyone later in this post that kids now days are lazy and ungrateful for the efforts their parents go through to provide for them.   An additional aspect that is missing is all of the OCA rules that keep kid from being hired.  You use to be able to go out and work on a farm or something at 12 and 14. Kids use to deliver news papers and mow lawns.  No IRS wants to treat anyone who mows your lawn, walks your dog or babysits your kids as a household employee.  The jobs kids once did are now limited to 18+ years old due to all the liability and labor rules and the litigious nature of our society.  What is left for the kids to do if you yourself don’t run a small business.
    My mom drove me out to the country to several farms and I picked berries and vegetables.  Can’t do that now.  I baked pies for the neighbors.  Goverment will come down on that.  I sold lemonaid.  Need a $1000 permit for that.  Whats a kid to do.

  • quentin

    I’m not convinced it’s as much a fault of the kids as it is the system. There is a huge push for every kid to go to college and get a degree and an executive position and a career etc. in reality, not every kid should go to school, not every kid can handle college. As a result of the “every kid should go to college” mindset, skilled trades, and trade schools, are being neglected, and losing enrollment. Apprenticeships for skilled trades. Are rare, and finding people to fill trade positions, like you mention here, is difficult, but not always just because the kids are lazy and spoiled. I am an entrepreneur and I love my job, but if for some reason I have to go back to the workforce, I guarantee it will be to a trade or labor position. I love my job, but the thing about electricians and mechanics and carpenters is that when budgets get tight, those jobs cant be shipped overseas to some call center.

  • Anonymous

    Hey, young dude living off of his stripper girlfriend.  Interesting concept.  Which is the exploited, and which is the exploiter?

  • Anonymous

    Bo don’t know no English

    DIRTY: Says Republicans want ‘dirtier air, dirtier water, less (sic) people with health insurance’…

    • Ferd_Berfle

      Asshat. Since he’s going to give a laundry list of complaints, here are mine:

      Bo Kettle wants:

      More government
      More authority
      More control
      More regulations
      More power
      More money
      More division
      More socialism
      More chaos
      More talk

      And what’s he against? Well, he also wants:

      Less oversight of his (mal)administration
      Less capitalism
      Less individualism
      Less responsibility
      Less accountability
      Less action

      He’s going to get but one thing come ’12:

      The middle finger.

      • Anonymous

        Ferd, you left out something very important, especially considering the topic of this thread.

        Bobo wants less WORK!?

        I have a feeling he will get that wish in about 15 months.

        • Ferd_Berfle

          I sure did, Steve. Thanks for completing the list.

        • Ferd_Berfle

          I sure did, Steve. Thanks for completing the list.

  • Anonymous

    This song fits quite well in this category and the forum about the Wall Street Protests.
    I turn on the tube and what do I seeA whole lotta people cryin’ ‘don’t blame me’They point their crooked little fingers ar everybody elseSpend all their time feelin’ sorry for themselvesVictim of this, victim of thatYour momma’s too thin; your daddy’s too fatGet over itGet over itAll this whinin’ and cryin’ and pitchin’ a fitGet over it, get over itYou say you haven’t been the same since you had your little crashBut you might feel better if I gave you some cashThe more I think about it, old billy was rightLet’s kill all the lawyers, kill ‘em tonightYou don’t want to work, you want to live like a kingBut the big, bad world doesn’t owe you a thingGet over itGet over itIf you don’t want to play, then you might as well splitGet over it, get over itIt’s like going to confession every time I hear you speakYou’re makin’ the most of your losin’ streakSome call it sick, but I call it weakYou drag it around like a ball and chainYou wallow in the guilt; you wallow in the painYou wave it like a flag, you wear it like a crownGot your mind in the gutter, bringin’ everybody downComplain about the present and blame it on the pastI’d like to find your inner child and kick it’s little assGet over itGet over itAll this bitchin’ and moanin’ and pitchin’ a fitGet over it, get over itGet over itGet over itIt’s gotta stop sometime, so why don’t you quitGet over it, get over it
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kslHr7_9Zac

  • HELENK
  • HELENK

    WOW what an article. It should be bookmarked and brought out for the 2012 election cycle.
    We tried to tell you in 2008 what a failure obama  would be

    http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/did-2008-come-true/

    • Anonymous

      Why, thank you, Helenk, I’m very flattered.  I … wait a minute.  You’re not talking about MY article, are you?  You mean that link you posted, and not my piece?  Oh.  Well, I guess that’s OK.  I agree, it’s a good article.  Maybe not quite as good as… well, never mind.  Thanks anyway.  :(

      heheh

  • HELENK

    from forbes

    OWS = inclusive

    TEA PARTY = reclusive

    well since the ows now has China, Iran, the American Nazi party, the American communist party, the black panther party, backtrack and the dems encouraging it. I think the TEA PARTY is in American best interest and the ows is not.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/toddessig/2011/10/16/the-contrasting-psychologies-of-occupy-wall-street-and-the-tea-party/2/

  • Wbboe

    I have no doubt that the Occupy Wall Street Movement hatched in the basement of the White House, probably in the same room where Axelrod and Emanuel cut the big pharma protection racket side letter with Billy Tauzin.  Obama, I’m sure, was upstairs in sweats watching a basketball tournament and could not be disturbed.

    They see this movement as a critical path to his re election.  It is the kind of mega event that big media loves to cover, it gives juronolisters a chance to manipulate and it gives Bambi a chance to distract, distance himself from the impact of his failing policies and to blame the country’s woes on Republicans. Therefore, he has now publicly embraced it.  And so has his party.

    Diamonds may be forever, but politics is not. This strategy has two fatal flaws.  First, by endorsing it, he turns off many independents. Why?  Because these people want better economic times, but more than that they want law and order.  Second, by exciting these passions and blaming Wall Street, he sets himself up to be the fall guy for the left.  They see him as too weak to stand up to Goldman.

    Here are Morris’s thoughts on the subject.

    http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/occupy-wall-street-could-be-deadly-for-obama-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert/

    • Anonymous

      Axelrod was too young to understand the political climate in 1968 and certainly has learned the lessons of that time.

      The Democrats efforts to tie their wagon to the anti-war and counter-culture movement resulted in disaffecting a majority of Americans (the Silent Majority) and an easy win for Nixon in 1968.

      History will likely repeat itself.

      • Anonymous

        Excellent point, Hokma!  Excellent!

        I think Oboeman is desperately trying to rekindle that youth movement, that children’s crusade that John Batchelor referenced, that propelled him into the WH in 08.  Back when children were telling their parents who to vote for because he was so cool.  It must be painfully obvious to him that his youthful coalition has fallen apart, that many of those young idealists feel betrayed. 

        In fact, maybe more than we realize, they may know that he is a corporatist at heart, that he loves him some Wall Street money.  That’s why he bailed them out, because they had contributed to his campaign in 08 and it was time for the quid pro quo.  Trouble is, Wall Street doesn’t like him anymore, so he’s trying to pretend he’s not one of the filthy rich scum that these kids hate so much.  But I think it’s Game Over. They’re onto him.  He’s just another pandering politician, another lying jackal of the Establishment.  In fact, he’s The Man now, as in “The Man has his foot on the neck of the people.”  

        If I was a cartoonist, I would draw one of Obama the Corporatist portrayed as the Pied Piper trying to get all these anti-corporatist kids to follow him, oblivious to the fact that they’re not listening… maybe with their fingers in their ears as his pipe or flute is making horrible honking sounds instead of music.

      • Geoff C. The saltine

        Hokma, we can only pray. I for one want this OWS to go on as long as it can, it will show the U.S.A. who the left is, commie bastards

      • Wbboe

        Great point Hokma.  Obama’s problem is not unlike the problem of those shitbirds at MSNBC:  Q: how do you run against the establishment when you are the establishment?  Does the hope and change rule book tell you what to do in that situation?

        • Anonymous

          This is like Alice in Wonderland. I was watching Russell Simmons getting interviewed on MSNBC and Martin Bashir never once brought up the fact that Simmons is one of the people these protesters are railing about.

          Simmons owns a predatory debit card called RushCard which charges a fee PLUS a fee for every single transaction – the very same practice that these people are condemning Bank America for.

          Then you have a heir of the Johnson & Johnson family acting like he is a poor indigent.

          And then you have all of these Hollywood morons who get paid BIG money bank financed producers and, in the case of Alec Baldwin (The Bloviator) who gets paid for his endorsement of Capital One bank.

  • HELENK

    have you seen this? This is most of America

    http://the53.tumblr.com/

  • Anonymous

    MSNBC Expert Calls for a List of the Rich to Pressure Them to ‘Give Back’

    Brzezinski wants anyone making a lot of money to be pointed out, but a
    short time later he says he does not want Wall Street “demonized.” Then,
    he returns to his demonizing of people who legally earn a lot of money
    and spend it in ways that apparently he would not. Pay close attention
    to his statements about “control.”

    “We have to have disclosure.”
    “We have to have transparency.”
    “We have to have control.”
    “More fair distribution of Social Responsibility through taxation and elimination of loopholes.”
    “And pressure even on the rich to avoid flaunting their wealth.
    ”http://www.theblaze.com/stories/msnbc-expert-wants-media-to-publish-list-of-rich-people-to-pressure-them-to-give-back/

    • Ferd_Berfle

      Zbigniew is an anal-retentive asshole. I can’t stand that over-hyped toadie.

    • Anonymous

      Then will come the re-education camps, Good God, how insane can these pundits be?

    • CCG

      “And pressure even on the rich to avoid flaunting their weatth” Let’s start with King Putt and Her Royal Highass.  He fires up his little boy toy to go get a cheeseburger and she parties and vacations sans equal.  Do the MSM ever notice this indulgence/extravagence? **And if they had a list of charities they would really blow the cover on the Gulfstream liberals who never give away their money.

    • sowsear1

      See who is ultra-vacationing all over the world at our expense…How’s that for flaunting?

  • Anonymous

    My goodness, The Dems really DO have a big tent.

    Sex Offender Registers Occupy Portland Camp as Address (Video)

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/10/nazis-commies-and-pervs-sex-offender-registers-occupy-portland-camp-as-address/#comments

    • Anonymous

      Oh goody, drugs and sex. Who could ask for anything more?. tra la la la

  • Anonymous

    I borrowed this from BigFurHat over at IOwnTheWorld…

    http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=99550

  • Anonymous

    Steve – If you are old enough to remember Maynard G. Krebs, what did the “G” stand for?

    • AC

      Possible “Grimy” as his sweatshirt always looked soiled.

      • Anonymous

        Nope – Not even close.

        • Anonymous

          I looked it up.  It stands for Walter.  Go figure.

          • Anonymous

            SSDD2 is a cheater!!!

            Looked it up!  How is that fair??

            I knew the answer, I just couldn’t think of it.  It was right on the tip of my tongue, but then I bit my tongue, so I lost it.

            • AC

              I don’t care what anyone thinks, intuitively I was closer than anyone.  G = Walter give me a break not even in Germany or  Poland does G = Walter

            • Anonymous
            • Anonymous

              sowsear1 figured it out. It was “Walter” a joke but is was based on old German dialect. But Maynard was a beatnik which meant he could say anything and it would make sense to him.

            • Anonymous

              sowsear1 figured it out. It was “Walter” a joke but is was based on old German dialect. But Maynard was a beatnik which meant he could say anything and it would make sense to him.

  • HELENK

    Backtrack henchman tells republican to put “country before party”
    do they ever come up with something original?

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/16/obama-spokesman-asks-gop-to-put-country-before-party-hours-after-obama-implored-americans-to-not-question-each-others-patriotism/

    • Anonymous

      O’butthole needs to practice what he preaches.  When did that fool ever put country before party.

      • Anonymous

        Actually, I thought about it and Barry never puts anything before a game of golf.

  • Anonymous

    This is the last straw.

    Students in a Texas public high school were made to stand up and
    recite the Mexican national anthem and Mexican pledge of allegiance as
    part of a Spanish class assignment, but the school district maintains
    there was nothing wrong with the lesson.

    It happened last month in an intermediate Spanish class at Achieve
    Early College High School in McAllen, Texas — a city located about 10
    miles from the U.S.-Mexico border.

    Wearing red, white and green, students had to memorize the Mexican
    anthem and pledge and stand up and recite them in individually in front
    of the class.

    That didn’t go over well with sophomore Brenda Brinsdon. The
    15-year-old sat down and refused to participate. She also caught it all
    on video:

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/blaze-exclusive-tx-high-school-students-made-to-recite-mexican-national-anthem-pledge-of-allegiance/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YC3xejOJyrI

    • Ferd_Berfle

      Wow. I wonder what Gov. Perry will say about that?

      Crickets.

    • Anonymous

      WTF!  I’d like to say this is unbelievable but it’s totally believable in our liberal PC public school system.

  • Anonymous

    Yipeeee!!! Chinas on board !!

    China: Occupy Wall Street’s issues worth thought Strange how all the communists countries are providing encouragementhttp://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_CHINA_WALL_STREET_PROTESTS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-10-17-07-40-45.

    • Ferd_Berfle

      Yeah, but the support of communists is so much better than the alleged and unproven Koch brothers’ support of that evil man, Herman Cain, don’t you know?

      • Anonymous

        Before I left I saw that thayt fraud economist Jeffrey Sachs (The Earth Institute at Columbia U – whatever that is) get hammered by Joe Scarborough and ever the other libs trying to compartmentalize Herman Cain a a lackey for the Koch brothers. And Scarborough was angry with Sachs insinuations.

        • Ferd_Berfle

          About time Joe awakened.

    • Anonymous

      So to summarize, this Occupy Wall Street fiasco is being heraolded and endorsed by:

      China, Iran, Hugo Chavez, Nancy Pelosi, Van Jones, and Barack Obama as well as very Obama loving media sycophant. 

      And this is the Democratic Party strategy to keep the White House?

  • Anonymous

    Couldn’t agree more Steve. A friend of mine is Human Resources manager at the local K-Mart. They are desperate for help and can not get enough. Many adults on unemployment won’t work there because they make more with their unemployment check. The young people that used to apply only want a job, as you said, sitting in front of a computer.

    Ditto your experience in check out lines. It would behoove merchants to be on the lookout for such behavior. With business down and prices much the same many have only customer service to make their business stand out. We have one store in town that is out of the way a little for us but we always go there. Prices are good and service is even better. And guess what, they are always busy.

    • Anonymous

      Extending unemployment benefits is a bad idea, because people hardly ever seriously look for work until right before their benefits run out.  I think that if you can’t find some kind of job in 6 months, you aren’t really trying.  The problem is that people always want a job exactly like they had or something better.  A job is a job and people should have to take reasonable work they are qualified to do, no matter what it is.  Just because the job you were layed off from was in an office, doesn’t mean you can’t bag groceries at the local supermarket.  It is always easier to find a better job if you are currently working at some kind of job.

  • BINKY

    “Protesting is as old as America, so there is that. But what is clear is that others will use this movement for whatever purpose they want. To forward whatever political or economic agenda that helps that individual.Me? I’m going to continue sitting here what I do day in and day out — try and run my small business in an increasingly competitive environment. And in an economy that does little to reward hard work.”http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2011/10/16/the-psychology-of-occupy-wall-street/

    • Anonymous

      Binky, that’s an interesting article. Talking about the phenomenon of the OWS movement brings to mind what they said about Boob. He was a blank slate, a Rohrschock test that revealed more about what a person wanted to see than what he actually was/is. Boob was/is a hologram, a void, only what you wanted to see. OWS is not really a movement, it is a crowd in search of a purpose. They are one in the same thing. 

      What people have been talking about, in this thread, is a foundation of values and principles which you can use to guide yourself through life’s challenges. Without this foundation, you become that rudderless ship at sea and what passes for guiding principles and values is something unreal, an illusion, a type of spiritual drunkenness that soothes your pain for awhile but robs you of any meaning in your life: The Great Lie. 

      I think the conservative movement is a counter to this sense of aimlessness. It is not about gay marriage, abortion, or other issues of the day. It’s about having and acting from an authentic, substantive center. Without that center, there can be no real solutions, no real society. We have no sense of who we are, so we don’t know how to respond to other people or problems in a creative way. We try to make a society that is proscriptive, controlled in minute detail by others, not the individual.

      • Anonymous

        I think the conservative movement is a counter to this sense of aimlessness. It is not about gay marriage, abortion, or other issues of the day. It’s about having and acting from an authentic, substantive center. Without that center, there can be no real solutions, no real society.————————————————————————–
        Fantastic interpretation greenlantern, well said.  I listened to some kid on one of the protest twitters blasting soldiers for wanting their veteran’s benefits saying, “You volunteered, you don’t have more rights to an education than we do, if you can go to college for free, we should be able to as well”-my blood is still boiling.

        • Anonymous

          Thank you, Kat. 
          To borrow from Donald Rumsfeld, they do not even know what they don’t know. If they did know, and someday they may, they will die of shame.

        • Anonymous

          Perhaps those soldiers should have asked those idiot protesters would they willingly sign up for a job, defending people they’ve never met and could lose their life doing.  I don’t consider it a free education anyway…those who serve this country more than earned it during their service.

      • Ferd_Berfle

        One of my favorite quotes is one from Albert Camus:

        “If there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life.”

        Hope and change is a sham and one must work with what they have.

        • Anonymous

          Ferd, thank you for that quote. Already copied and pasted, my good fellow!

          • Anonymous

            Just saw this at MOTUS re: MO
            “Or maybe it’s just that changing its skin won’t make a lemon sweet”

        • Anonymous

          Oooh, I love collecting quotes.  I’ll ad this one to my collection.  Maybe we could have a “quotathon” where everybody submits their favs.

          • Anonymous

            I also love quotes. I do one everyday at SWYW aka Psstt’s House.

            Here’s the one I did today: Don’t find fault, find a remedy. ~ Henry Ford

          • Anonymous

            I also love quotes. I do one everyday at SWYW aka Psstt’s House.

            Here’s the one I did today: Don’t find fault, find a remedy. ~ Henry Ford

      • AbigailA

        Greenlantern:  Yes!  Every single word.  You’ve captured something that so many have struggled to explain. 

        I had the very same thoughts last night, but was too tired to sit here and form them into your comment.  I’d been doing yard work yesterday and while tidying up, it seemed so clear to me.  I asked, “Why, if socialism/Marxism/Communism has always failed in the the history of the world, do we still have great numbers of people who periodically assert it as a solution to humanity’s problems?”  I think the answer is because the reasons for its existence haven’t gone away.  I’m bewildered and angry that even with hundreds or thousands of so-called journalists and various other writers whose job is to articulate events, that none of them is able to successfully explain this.

        One of the big differences between the sentiment of the Taxed Enough Already movement and the Occupy Wall Street people is the OWS’ers mistakenly believe the government is a benevolent, even fatherly, arbiter of justice and fairness.  Oh, perhaps they realize that there is an occassional mistake, but overall big government, to them, is the only way to contain the voracious appetite of free enterprise — it’s “corporate greed.”  What they have ignored entirely is that we have more than enough laws to prevent corruption in corporate America, just not enough honesty, courage or intent in big government to enforce the laws.  I think of how Eric Holder and AGs before him have steadily politicized that office to a point now that even the most blantant lawbreaking, voter’s right violations (NBPP) and the Pigford ripoff, for example, have been ignored by the biggest police chief in the land.  A people who cannot love that justice is blind, over their own interests, is simply asking for tyranny; the logical conclusion to “father government.”

        Two groups of people, each seeing big government in two entirely different ways:  One seeing the blatant failure of big government to enforce the law, the other seeing big government as not having written more laws.

        Like the ancient trees,  whose roots reach deep into the soil, liberty will not be moved by the greatest storm which seeks to topple it nor destroyed by fire or pests.  A sappling cannot withstand a mild wind without a stake to prop it up.  

        • Anonymous

          Abigail, yes. To every single clear, authentic word, yes!

      • Ferd_Berfle

        It is not about gay marriage, abortion, or other issues of the day. It’s
        about having and acting from an authentic, substantive center. Without
        that center, there can be no real solutions, no real society. We have no
        sense of who we are, so we don’t know how to respond to other people or
        problems in a creative way. We try to make a society that is
        proscriptive, controlled in minute detail by others, not the individual.
        =====================
        What an excellent commentary, particularly the proscriptive, controlled part. By mollycoddling the youth of this nation, we’ve programmed “failure” out of life’s equation and hence, its lessons. The government (while not even able to perform the most rudimentary functions required of it) in its zeal to emphasize entitlement, goes to great lengths to ensure that outcomes are equal, irrespective of effort so that excellence becomes nothing more than a quaint idea from a time when such an end was used to separate the wheat from the chaff.

        A person with a set of core values needs no externally-derived entitlement from some unknown bureaucrat in the bowels of government.

        What you cannot find within thee you will never find without thee.

        • Anonymous

          “we’ve programmed “failure” out of life’s equation and hence, its lessons”.

          That goes to all of the great comments here by you and others about what has been lacking in parenting this last generation. Underneath the righteous anger, I detect a considerable amount of grief for the emptiness of children not allowed to fail and not able to fully apprehend what has been thrown away.  

          • Anonymous

            Yes, imagine if our Founding Fathers, hadn’t made a few runs at creating this great nation, they had some failures before they came up with the Constitution. Steve Jobs had some failures before he created many of his billion dollar gadgets, The Wright Brothers, The Nasa Space Program, and so on.the only failure there is would be to not make an attempt in creating, or throwing yourself into an effort. I remember I think it was DianaLC and HelenK who said the word “can’t” was verboten for them. That is one of my greatest concerns, that loss of curiosity that fuels people to discover and try, whether it is for the self or for others, it is IMHO one of the most important attributes to generate growth of the human spirit and of the capacity/comprehension of intellect.

  • BINKY

    Brought up from the thread below where I posted it originally:
    This is off topic, but there’s not a new Open Thread…Since we had discussed the Darden Restaurants (Olive Garden) issue previously, I wanted to post this information where more people might see it.
    - – - – - – - -
    Andrea Shea King received a tip about the relationships between Michelle, Barack, and Darden Restaurants’ CEO, and found out that Darden Restaurants got a special waiver from Obamacare  . . .
    Andrea reports, you decide:
    http://radiopatriot.wordpress….

    • AbigailA

      Thanks, Binky!  Very interesting, indeed.

  • Geoff C. The saltine

    Steve I have been there. I have a small construction co. in Seattle. The first thing that comes out of their mouths is, what are your bennies, how much vacation time do I get, sick days, what holidays do I get off, and I need to start at $25.00 per hour, and do you give bi yearly raises. Then we can start talking about what the job that they are looking for will require them to do, and are they qualified to handle it. They come with no basic tools and hardly any on the job experience. They have no clue how long it takes for some one to trust you with a $ 50,000.00 check as a down payment to start a job, and the years it takes to build a relationship with the designers and architects. My first job was grinding fiberglass with foamglass off of the side of a 78 foot boat that we had glassed by hand, no power tools, for the sum of $2.00 an hour. I also was glad to have a job, and worked hard at it, it started the foundation of my work ethic. That is what is lacking in the young today, work ethic. Oh yea the old man that owned the boat worked with us everyday
     

    • Anonymous

      Yup, you nailed it Geoff C., “What’s it pay?” is usually the first question, followed by “What are the hours, benefits, days off, sick days, vacation days, etc.”

      And they don’t even have any experience at the job!

      • quentin

        Maybe you should hire them and give them some experience. Instead of expecting every applicant to have 10 years of experience. News flash, these no work ethic kids you are whining about don’t have 10 years of work experience doing anything besides cleaning their room.

    • quentin

      Again, I think this better illustrates the lack of focus on skilled trades and labor as post high school options. There is nothing wrong with asking pay rates and benefits, if they’ve interviewed more than one place they need a basis of comparison, and not everyone will come with intimate knowledge of the job. Maybe they’re switching careers, maybe they were unemployed and are trying hard to get a job, in a different industry. Do you expect them to just work without asking what it pays? That’s tremendously backwards thinking. While your anecdotes are undoubtedly true, they’re gross generalizations and conclusions drawn from incomplete data sets.

      There’s a whole lot of “kids today aren’t as good as we were at their age” which happens with every generation.

  • benny

    As the work ethic deteriorates and becomes virtually non-existent, pax americana will soon come to an end. Its gradually happening, but the sense of entitlement will speed up the process. 

  • Anonymous

    Talk about a work ethic…

    http://youtu.be/qsoa1wHJT2E

    “Say What You Will…It Feels So Good”

    • Ferd_Berfle

      Mining is difficult, dangerous work and one of the few occupations where a union is still needed.

  • Anonymous

    I remember interviewing people and one of the first questions would be how much lunch, how many breaks, how many holidays, and how much vacation.

    • Anonymous

      1% are changing the light bulbs while the other 99% are complaining it is not bright enough.

      • Ferd_Berfle

        Yeah, HARP, and that 1% that does something approaching work consists of a union to bring the ladder, another to bring the bulbs, a third to climb the ladder, and a fourth to hand the third the bulb and a fifth to flip the switch.

        And when the new bulb doesn’t work, the order of disassembly is reversed and the several union members scratch their heads and call in the electrical union that proceeds to trace down the line to its source to determine where the fault lies.

        No one checked the bulb.

        It’s insanity.

        • Anonymous

          Hey, Ferd and HARP, have you heard about the 53% blog?”

          http://the53.tumblr.com/

          • Ferd_Berfle

            Great web site. There are a lot of us here who make up that 53%.

  • Anonymous

    Journolist 2.0: OccupyDC Emails Show MSM, Dylan Ratigan, Working With Protesters To Craft Message

    Journolist 2.0 includes well known names such as MSNBC’s Dylan Ratigan, Rolling Stone’s
    Matt Tiabbi who both are actively participating; involvement from other
    listers such as Bill Moyers and Glenn Greenwald plus well-known
    radicals like Noam Chomsky, remains unclear. The list also includes a
    number of Occupy organizers, such as one of the Occupy Wall Street main
    organizers Kevin Zeese.

    http://bigjournalism.com/dloesch/2011/10/16/journolist-2-0-occupydc-emails-show-msm-dylan-ratigan-working-with-protesters-to-craft-message/

  • Anonymous

    In a time where the is such a sense of entitlement, why would anyone need a work ethic?  When work ethics are displayed, many people are just plain shocked.  Work ethics need to come back into vogue, along with good manners and consideration for your fellow man.

    O/T….this is what MLK’s kin asked for:

    http://news.yahoo.com/kings-call-economic-fairness-mlk-memorial-220251475.html

    “Say What You Will…It Feels So Good”
    http://www.saywhatyouwill.proboards.com

  • Anonymous

    Hold up………………there’s an answer to your unspoken question, which would seem to be why is the younger generation disinterested in the jobs that are out there?   It could be that their parents are a bad example of what happens even if you go to work every day.  Maybe their parents live in a dull neighbourhood and watch dreary TV shows and have nothing to say, and haven’t got anything interesting to say.
    The government is responsible for promoting the sex, drugs and rock and roll phenomenon which has captured the imagination of so many and ruined their lives too, which was most likely the desired result from the diabolical shadowy political and power hungry oligarchs who have nothing better to do than fixate of genecidal strategies and the virtual economy.   The reason there are so many kids protesting in the streets is because it’s something to do, and at least they are being filmed and talked about and it’s a way  of passing  the time of day instead of checking your email or facebook or my place or twitter or whatever else you can check, that actually doesn’t buy you anything decent to eat.   The only people who seem to have a relatively fun life are Brad Pitt , Angelina Jolie, Johnny Depp and  Prince Harry.   So that ‘s why your job isn’t being pounced upon, because the future has been hi jacked by President Obama and company.   Ben Bernanke and Time Geithner have sold out on the sovreign republic of the USA and the stock market is set to blow………………………………..Will you give the applicants somewhere to live and health care and some valubable training  that will mean something to them and encourage them to get married have children and build a future for mankind not only on this planet but in the Galaxy someday.   FDR and JFK had a vision for the United States and it inspired the rest of the world to see the innovation and changes happening in the States, now under a succession of lousy Administrations, the Constitution has been trashed and the document that contains the principles that would be the fundamentals of the change of society that need to occur right now are being peverted,  Maxine Waters opened her mouth and introuduced a bill to repeal the concept of the Super Congress on Constitutional grounds.
    She is the leader of the pack at present and if I were a young person I would call her up and offer to work for her as a volunteer, and get the Constitution printed up and have seminars on every street corner in every US city until the light comes on.

    • Scottymac54

      This is true.

      Thank you for your clarity of thought, your originality, and your spirit.

      Your manner of expression conveys much.

    • Scottymac54

      This is true.

      Thank you for your clarity of thought, your originality, and your spirit.

      Your manner of expression conveys much.

      • Anonymous

        Wow.  Thanks a lot Scottymac54. 

  • Anonymous

    Herman Cain Move Protests To the White House

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7y07nfMCRA

    • Anonymous

      Would it be too much to ask for those protestors to take along some tar and feathers?  :)

      “Say What You Will…It Feels So Good”

      • AbigailA

        They can barely do the bag drag with their own stuff.  You can’t expect them to haul along excess cargo.  That’s “unfair!”

        • Anonymous

          They might for a price…How much you offering?

    • Anonymous

      Why aren’t they protesting Hollywood?

      Link: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46697

      • Anonymous

        They don’t even have to go to Hollywod. All they have to do is ambush the entertainment morons who are trying to latch onto the latest chic socialist happening and, for instance, hammer Russell Simmons on his predatory debit card company – they should demand why these stars get overpaid as much as they resulting in unaffordable movies.

  • Anonymous

    I would like Hannity do a little experiment. Take $ 100,000 down to the zoo-cotti park and give someone the option to keep the whole thing or immediately split it with the closest 50 people standing near him.

    • Anonymous

      I think we all know which choice they’d make.

    • Anonymous

      Immediately there would be a stack of 500 people on top of the one getting the money….

  • Anonymous

    Do you really think if longterm unemployment was ended, that foreclosures, etc, would substantially rise?  I wonder if it’d be like the welfare reforms Clinton made?  Everyone screamed about how the kids and women would suffer and end up poorer than they started but it in fact had an opposite affect.

    I think if people know their benefits are ending, they go get a job. Any job because otherwise, they’re not eating. Going hungry seems to be a great motivator.

    • Anonymous

      I honestly don’t know the answer to your question, and I thought about it long and hard while writing this piece.  The one big difference is that people who were cheating welfare in the 90s were doing it by choice.  Most unemployed people today don’t have a choice.  And if they are over 50, they have a harder time getting jobs.  The irony of that is astounding, considering the older people have the experience and the work ethic that the younger ones don’t.

      • Anonymous

        I can say there is a horrible amount of bias if not out-right civil rights violations during interviews for people over 50; have had a few myself; not a picnic to be interviewed in such a way.  

        • Anonymous

          I know what you mean. Shortly before I retired I was walking out of an interview, for which I was actually “overqualified” and heard the young man say to his secretary: “hiring her would be like having my mother work here.” I knew I wasn’t going to get that job.

          (Note to young people, all old fogies ain’t deaf.)

          • Anonymous

            “Note to young people, all old fogies ain’t deaf”.

            …and maybe also, Marge, not thrilled about the prospect of being the parent of such a little turd!

          • Anonymous

            “hiring her would be like having my mother work here.”

            That’s exactly why the guys I work with like having me around. They know an adult is taking care of them. I actually had one who left for another company say to my daughter “I miss your mother.”

            • Anonymous

              Trust me EllenD the pimply young “turd” I was referencing didn’t like the idea of having a “motherly” type around.

              Lucky you to work with some smart young’ens.

          • Anonymous

            (Note to young people, all old fogies ain’t deaf.)

            Nope but young people are.

            • Anonymous

              That’s selective hearing..even my husband has that.

        • Anonymous

          It’s a proven fact that older folks, and I count myself in that population, make better employees.  It’s a shame employers still haven’t figured that out.

          • Anonymous

            Too many can’t see past the wrinkles and gray hair. Being old, or even looking old is not welcome in this youth obsessed society.

            One woman actually told me she was worried that old employees might not be able to be reliable because they would be “sick” too much. I nearly laughed in her face. I hadn’t missed a days work in over 5 years at that time and spent far too much of my time covering the absenses of all those “healthy” young things. (Especially the ones with the Monday morning flu.

            • Anonymous

              Really no shit. I’m in my late 40′s and haven’t missed a day of the retail job I got 6 months ago. Nor have I been late once.  I only took that job because I wanted to work and after being a homemaker so many years, noone would hire me for “professional” work. I figured an $8 job on the resume is better than nothing.  The younger people I work with?  They’ve all missed a day or two or are constantly late clocking in.  The thing is, older people have already had kids, are usually settled so no worries about maternity leave, hitting the bar every night so coming in hung over the next day and non-stop romantic drama of many of those in their 20′s and early 30′s. 

          • Anonymous

            Too many can’t see past the wrinkles and gray hair. Being old, or even looking old is not welcome in this youth obsessed society.

            One woman actually told me she was worried that old employees might not be able to be reliable because they would be “sick” too much. I nearly laughed in her face. I hadn’t missed a days work in over 5 years at that time and spent far too much of my time covering the absenses of all those “healthy” young things. (Especially the ones with the Monday morning flu.

      • Anonymous

        Well I think many collecting unemployment are gaming the system. Why work a so-so job for the same amount of money you’d get on unemployment?  Just collect your money while waiting for the “perfect” job.  Even though, having ANY job on your resume is a lot better than no job at all considering HR managers are now bypassing those who apply who aren’t currently working no matter how qualified.

    • Anonymous

      I honestly don’t know the answer to your question, and I thought about it long and hard while writing this piece.  The one big difference is that people who were cheating welfare in the 90s were doing it by choice.  Most unemployed people today don’t have a choice.  And if they are over 50, they have a harder time getting jobs.  The irony of that is astounding, considering the older people have the experience and the work ethic that the younger ones don’t.

  • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew J. Weaver

    While this might have some merit, I do think it is generally unfounded criticism.  The job market has changed with most jobs we took as youth now filled by illegal aliens.  I recall back in high school in the 70s that wherever you went, it was high school students, even college students, filling the entry level and low-skilled starter jobs.  These are gone.  They’ve been gone for more than 20 years, which means the parents of today’s youth also did not have job experience when they were kids in high school and college.  It’s a bad cycle that we’ll be hard pressed to break until we remove illegal aliens from the work place.  Our job market is broke even higher up as companies opt for experienced H1B and L1 visa workers at cheap rates rather than offer entry level jobs and training programs to young American workers.  So, in my opinion, the problem isn’t so much today’s youth as it is the workplace we’ve created over the past 20-30 years.  Work ethics may need to be taught but first let’s open up those jobs now taken by illegal aliens, H1B, and L1 visa workers to American workers and youth.

    • Ferd_Berfle

      It’s a bad cycle that we’ll be hard pressed to break until we remove illegal aliens from the work place.
      ===============
      The democrats need the votes so don’t expect changes any time soon.

      Another answer, of course, is for these self-entitled bums to take a one of those jobs that only an illegal alien would take and learn the value of hard work.

      Darn–there’s that vitriol again.

      • Anonymous

        I have a better idea, Ferd. If they want a good job with interesting work and health care, they should join the military. I think that the recruiters for the armed services should set up tables in all the parks occupied by these jobless twits. Put a big sign up, JOBS, TRAVEL, ADVENTURE!! See how many of them sign up.

        • Ferd_Berfle

          Yeah, I remember the “Fun, Travel, Adventure!” when I served. We had another definition for the initialism, FTA. :-)

          • Anonymous

            Remember “Join the Army, travel to distant lands, meet exotic people, and kill them.” ?

      • Anonymous

        What can one say when the two amigos work for 10 dollars and hour doing landscaping? and the tween thinks there’s a lawn mower app in his iPad that will do it for nothing?  The only thing I think,Steve, is ther are some very motivated young people….the current cultural climate not with standing.

        • Anonymous

          One of my grandsons, who is just now 14, has had a job for two years mowing the lawn in the summer and shoveling the driveway/sidewalks in the winter for a single lady. Originally the guidance counselor asked two boys if they wanted to share the job/split the pay. It has ended up that the other boy doesn’t show up so my grandson does the job and gets the entire amount.He is saving his money and has quite a stash…He is a A student, a good athlete, and a “nice” kid, if I may say so myself.

          • Anonymous

            Yes you better say so!. Good for him for following thru and making the money. Better still he saved and has a bankroll of his making. Sounds like he has some great family that has pointed him in the right direction, and sounds like he has, on his own a solid work ethic.

    • Anonymous

      Sorry to disagree, but that is not the answer.  If you do some research, the fruit/vegetable picking jobs are not exactly being snapped up by American citizens; fact is, they can’t even fill these jobs.  It is so easy to blame illegal aliens, but I believe many have/are going back home as there are no jobs.
      Why not point your finger at obama & Company, and other pols who have not done a damn thing to create jobs?

      “Say What You Will…It Feels So Good”

      • candymarl

        Uh I followed the season doing several of those jobs “Americans will not do”.

        In fact, all of the workers I knew have been replaced by other types.

        The government does not create jobs but has federal positions for a specific purpose (aka the military, civilian contractors).

        The job of the government is to help create a thriving atmosphere where business can hire those that need work.

        WE THE PEOPLE are the government.  It is not a separate entity above us with “One Ring to Rule Them all”.

        I think most Americans have forgotten that fact.  When we take off “The Ring” and remember who we are then maybe, just maybe, things will get better.  

        • Anonymous

          You could not be more correct….of the people, by the people, for the people….how soon they forget.

          “Say What You Will…It Feels So Good”

        • Anonymous

          Quite right.

    • Anonymous

      Near the end of the summer, there was a cat 3 hurricane which was supposed to hit Ocean City, MD. We received a notice that the first persons who would be evacuated were foreign workers. They were to bring a backpack, their passports, and medicines in case they had to be shipped home directly from the evacuation point. They were told to prepare their other luggage, leave it with their landlords, for possible shipment by the landlord to their homelands.
      I guess there were no Americans who wanted these summer jobs.

    • Anonymous

      Mathhew and Ferd,

      I’ll give a middle point of view.  I have to agree with Matthew a bit.  I recently helped my uncle edit the first half of his autobiography.  He made it only through ninth grade because he didn’t need to go further than that.  (He’s now retired from the USPO).  He worked on his older siblings’ farms then joined the Navy.  He grew up working on a farm, helping to drive the equipment at an early age. 

      When my younger son read it, he was green with envy.  He said he wished he had grown up then.  When he was young he did a paper route, and he worked part-time in hs for spending money.  He’s not a lazy kid.  When we wre working to landscape his back yard that had been overgrown with weeds, dead bushes, and dead trees, at one point we did hire a landscaping company because he and I just couldn’t do what was needed since we didn’t have equipment and vehicles able to bring rented equipment.  He was almost jealous of the probably illegal people brought in by the company to do the work.

      Around here, most natives can’t get that work.  Believe me, they make it darned uncomfortable if you don’t speak Spanish to work with them.

      Ferd, I did read on the other thread with the obnoxious Scotty that many of the OWS crowd are also upset by illegal workers–so I am not sure this complaint appliies only to progressive liberals.  I do sense a growing acceptance of the idea that we have to do something about the borders.

      • Docelder

        The obnoxious one has Bronwyn’s support… he can’t get banned it seems. Whatever… might as well make him a full time writer here because the posts are half his dumb ass.

        • Geoff C. The saltine

          SAD. He just replied to me on the last post and said what he said to Sybill was “nothing”

          • Scottymac54

            It was, Geoff.

            She leveled a vile homophobic attack at me just out of the blue and I responded in kind.

            I do have a right to defend myself, you know.

            Funny how you never saw fit to make mention of your friend’s hateful comment, since she fired first, and has made such comments before (although never as vile).

            It’s almost as if you WANTED it to happen, so you could washerwoman what I said, to build up further hatred and get me booted, no?

            And you’re STILL stirring up trouble, even after you’re told your new kingdom will now be “Clintonista-frei”,
            LOL!

            Geoff, seriously?  Get help.  It’s not hard to figure out your role here, and how you see yourself.

            Frankly, (and this applies to everyone else), if you wanted me to leave so badly that you’d go through these gyrations, couldn’t you have just ASKED?  I mean, really…

            Think about it.   Good luck in your travails….

            • Anonymous

              Good grief,  If you think telling someone to eat a bowl of dicks is homophobic, then you are more insecure with people’s sexuality,and more thin skinned than I suspected. 

            • Ferd_Berfle

              There now is your insular city of the Manhattoes, belted round by
              wharves as Indian isles by coral reefs–commerce surrounds it with
              her surf. Right and left, the streets take you waterward. Its
              extreme downtown is the battery, where that noble mole is washed by
              waves, and cooled by breezes, which a few hours previous were out of
              sight of land. Look at the crowds of water-gazers there.

          • Anonymous

            Call me Ishmael. Some years ago–never mind how long precisely–having little or no money in my purse, and nothing particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a little and see the watery part of the world. It is a way I have of driving off the spleen and regulating the circulation. Whenever I find myself growing grim about the mouth; whenever it is a damp, drizzly November in my soul; whenever I find myself involuntarily pausing before coffin warehouses, and bringing up the rear of every funeral I meet; and especially whenever my hypos get such an upper hand of me, that it requires a strong moral principle to prevent me from deliberately stepping into the street, and methodically knocking people’s hats off–then, I account it high time to get to sea as soon as I can. This is my substitute for pistol and ball. With a philosophical flourish Cato throws himself upon his sword; I quietly take to the ship. There is nothing surprising in this. If they but knew it, almost all men in their degree, some time or other, cherish very nearly the same feelings towards the ocean with me.

        • Scottymac54

          Read my signoff on the “other thread”.

          It’s been a pleasure, both of you.

        • Anonymous

          I refuse to “talk” to him…and I wish others would do the same.

    • cynic

      So true Matthew.  My son detassled for a few weeks each summer during his early teen years.  He learned what hard work (under pretty lousy conditions) was, and had to be at the bus stop very early every morning.

      One summer, there was very little work.  It turns out that some Illegals were hired instead.  I am sympathetic to know that these people probably had families to take care of, and my son was saving up for an X-Box, but how do our kids learn responsibility/hard work, etc. if those jobs disappear.

      I am happy to say that my son is now 22, is in the Army Reserves, working full-time, and taking night classes at our local Community College.  I am so proud of him.

      • Docelder

        The biggest attraction with the illegals is this…they can work for less than minimum wage in cash because they get social services… plus if they get hurt on the job there is no workers comp because they are illegal and being paid in cash most of the time… which is good for them because they can get full social benefits to live on and wire the cash home… So in effect social programs in this country subsidize illegal labor practices… which is great if you run a corporate farm… not so great for those of use who know somebody who would love to have a legitimate job… those of us who pay taxes that pay the medical care on these illegals… those of us who support feeding these folks from social services when their cash money leaves this economy altogether. I don’t hate the illegals… I do hate the way the system allows them to be used… and subsequently used against the rest of us legal citizens. We don’t need a fence we need reform. 

        • Ferd_Berfle

          Yeah, Doc, this is where the retrogressives and the neocons are in cahoots. Crony capitalists need the cheap labor and the retrogressives need the votes so they can continue to rob us blind. Until we throw both groups out of positions of authority, we’re screwed.

      • Anonymous

        Sounds like your son has worked hard, good for him. It takes some guts to get it together when we fall a little. It is wonderful to hear parental pride like yours, no doubt your encouragement helped a great deal as well.

  • Anonymous

    On a similiar note, I was out and about today and this morning on the best of Sean Hannity he had some OWS callers on. I was impressed with Sean for letting them go off on their rants for a couple mintues but it was a great example of how whacky these people are, and it was great radio.

    Anyway, he had one girl on who graduated from Columbia and was now working for a masters in engineering (!? WTF) and was ranting on about the evils of corporations and capitalism, and how terrible it was that she has $80,000 in student loans. Hannity was a student and said he had a lot of student loans that he had to pay back and it took him years to do it. So the OWS lady get’s all excited and says, “how did that make you feel?!”

    Hannity responded, and I did as well almost word for word with Hannity, when she popped that question, “ummm, I felt like I borrowed some money for college and had to pay it back?” OWS lady went virtually silent. Like it never dawned on her that, yes, sometimes people have to take loans or get credit and that means you have to pay it back.

    It’s like the idea of borrowing money and having to pay it back was some over the top, out of control corporate behaviour that needed to be stopped and so she was entitled to that $80K and that’s that. The sense of entitlement, even when presented a loan in which you agree to fully pay back plus interest by signing on the dotted line, is staggering.

    • Anonymous

      This attitude must come from those parents who are handed a Christmas list by children and they FOLLOW IT.

      • Anonymous

        Children learn what they can expect from their parents..Somebody must have asked for a list to begin with…, but if the child came up with the idea himself,,,then the first list could have been the last list.

        • Anonymous

          Actually, I remember being asked as a child what I wanted for Christmas. Once I wanted a “talking doll”. This was a 3′ tall doll which had some kind of record inside and cost about $35. This was during the Great Depression and $35 was a fortune…My parents ended up getting me a baby doll that made some sort of crying noise when it was turned over. Unfortunately, I was disappointed.
          In that case, my parents probably should have encouraged me right off the bat to choose something else..

    • Anonymous

      This attitude must come from those parents who are handed a Christmas list by children and they FOLLOW IT.

    • Anonymous

      I don’t think anybody put a gun to her head to force her to take out those student loans.  People like that irk me.  As Bugs Bunny would say…what a maroon.

      • AbigailA
        • Ferd_Berfle

          LMAO.

        • Anonymous
          • Anonymous

            LMAO!  Honestly, I could sit and watch Bugs Bunny cartoons all day.   

            • Anonymous

              I won’t post another that I would like to, but go to YouTube and search for “Feed the Kitty”; it is the silly cartoon with the dog who finds a kitten and passes out when he thinks the kitty gets baked into the cookie dough. I still fall out over that one. Well, I still love Warner Brothers Cartoons.(The Scarlet Pumpernickel, etc.).

          • candymarl

            My sides hurt OMG!

    • Anonymous

      I don’t think anybody put a gun to her head to force her to take out those student loans.  People like that irk me.  As Bugs Bunny would say…what a maroon.

    • yttik

      Some of these people going to fancy universities and working on advanced degrees astound me. I mean, do they not understand how privileged they are? Many people, heck, most people, can hardly afford to go to a community college. An education is a privilege. Being affluent enough to qualify for school loans is a privilege. If you don’t think it’s worth the money, then don’t do it, but don’t pretend you’re the victimized 99% because having access to a masters degree from Columbia is something that 99.99% of the world’s population can only dream of.

  • Anonymous

    And speaking of lazy, we have a “Leaf Wars” situation going on with the goober kitty corner to us. This lazy man, who can’t stand to have a single living thing growing in his yard, blows his damned leaves across the street into our yard and another neighbor. Don’t think he owns a rake. Here in Tennessee you can rake your leaves out of the gutter area and into the street and we actually have city workers who come and pick up the leaves.We bag them from our yard, and rake out of the gutter the other, usually a two day process every couple of weeks in the fall. This neighbor is so damned lazy, and intent on having the sterile lawn, I swear not a flower or a tree. Ferd and I have about 32 trees and so does our neighbor behind us, and directly across the street. I guess he gets shook up over having a leaf show up on his lawn, it happens- its fall! Anyways, he usually just sits out on his porch with a beer shouting at games and his wife mows and glares at everyone else, because of our natural yards. We don’t let it get crazy we mow, and take really great care of it, but to see someone use an effort to get rid of a job they should be taking care of, instead the effort goes to trying to pass the work on to someone else. Pathetic man.or as Ferd calls him, that lazy Sum B**ch (okey for SOB).

  • Anonymous

    And speaking of lazy, we have a “Leaf Wars” situation going on with the goober kitty corner to us. This lazy man, who can’t stand to have a single living thing growing in his yard, blows his damned leaves across the street into our yard and another neighbor. Don’t think he owns a rake. Here in Tennessee you can rake your leaves out of the gutter area and into the street and we actually have city workers who come and pick up the leaves.We bag them from our yard, and rake out of the gutter the other, usually a two day process every couple of weeks in the fall. This neighbor is so damned lazy, and intent on having the sterile lawn, I swear not a flower or a tree. Ferd and I have about 32 trees and so does our neighbor behind us, and directly across the street. I guess he gets shook up over having a leaf show up on his lawn, it happens- its fall! Anyways, he usually just sits out on his porch with a beer shouting at games and his wife mows and glares at everyone else, because of our natural yards. We don’t let it get crazy we mow, and take really great care of it, but to see someone use an effort to get rid of a job they should be taking care of, instead the effort goes to trying to pass the work on to someone else. Pathetic man.or as Ferd calls him, that lazy Sum B**ch (okey for SOB).

    • Anonymous

      I feel for you, Katmoon.  Your neighbor sounds like a real peach.  There’s a man living in the house behind me that sounds very similar. 

    • Anonymous

      We’ve lived in our house for 45 yrs…The house to our northside was a parsonage, but sold recently to a young couple…her father lives on the other side of her. Their lot has a line of gigantic black walnut trees which are toxic to most plants/trees. Those trees have killed all of our trees and plants, their roots have heaved our driveway, and the walnuts have covered our driveway, roof, and drains. The crushed ones have stained everything they come in contact with.
      Naturally, there are tons of leaves. Last week, our neighbor on the otherside who mows for us blew some towards their lawn. The girl’s father first went to our mower and then to us complaining that we blew leaves over there….In the interest of maintaining peace, my husband apologized…talk about the war of the leaves treaty!

      • Anonymous

        Ugh, nasty black walnuts..I am grateful we are not dealing with that. I don’t mind picking up the leaves, and people have been sneaking their leaves onto other people’s lawns forever, hell I have read cases where gunfire has broken out over such foolishness. This neighbor just is so in everyone else’s business, worrying over their lawns, in a control freakish sort of way-they mowed today, so everyone else is suppose to do the same, crazy making. 

    • Anonymous

      We don’t have any large trees on our lot but are surrounded by neighbors that do. Some, not many, like your neighbor blow the leaves into the street. And we do not have anyone pick them up. Often they clog the storm drains. No good.

      The pinhead head smirked at me one day when I was sucking up leaves with my mulcher about how I must be angry about having to deal with “his” leaves.

      I told him that I wasn’t angry at all. In fact the leaves I vacuumed up and shredded with my trusty “Craftsman 12 AMP Electric Blower/Vac are the stuff of which my free compost for next spring will be made. While he will be haring off to the garden center to pay good money for his not to mention the time he’ll waste doing it. The smirk evaporated.

      Composting is it’s own reward and at times a nice little jab at asshats. Not sure which I enjoy more.

      • Ferd_Berfle

        Indeed, Kenoshmarge. I compost as many of my leaves as I can and the rest are picked up by the city to sell later a mulch. With respect to my situation, it wasn’t so much that this goob blew leaves away from his yard but that he went into the street in front of his house and blew all the leaves on the street onto my property and the property across the street. While I do have a lot of trees, so do many others in this 120+ year old neighborhood. I didn’t see any serial numbers on them that would demonstrate with absolute certainty that those particular leaves he was blowing my way actually came from my yard. My other thought was how long had this idiot been doing this? I have enough work to do with a large lot, lots of trees and shrubs, and an old house that I’m trying to restore to its former grandeur. I don’t need some lazy bum making more work for me because he can’t pick up a rake and a bag and do some real work.

        • Anonymous

          Always some jerk around to make life miserable for others. When it’s a lazy jerk don’t ya just wish you had a giant blower and you could “blow” the asshat, and his leaves, back into his own yard?

           It would be a sight to see any way. Even if only in the imagination.

        • Anonymous

          Always some jerk around to make life miserable for others. When it’s a lazy jerk don’t ya just wish you had a giant blower and you could “blow” the asshat, and his leaves, back into his own yard?

           It would be a sight to see any way. Even if only in the imagination.

  • yttik

    Good post Steve KC. Yes, it is incredibly hard to find good employees. Indeed, many people seem to feel like they’re being exploited, that their employer owes them. Many do seem to want to play on the computer, to steal office supplies, to avoid working as much as possible.

    I talk to people who seem to think a business is like a big pot of money and it’s being deliberately kept from them. One thing I try to do is encourage people to start small businesses, to become self employed. That’s a real wake up call, LOL.

    However, one problem is government interference, things like mandatory minimum wage. Where I live minimum quickly becomes maximum wage. Employers think, the Gov says this amount is fair, so that’s what I’ll pay. Then you add on requirements for UI, L&I, healthcare, overtime, and employers are like, hey I don’t really have to take care of my people, I’m paying a ton of taxes to the government so they will do it!  So I’ve watched benefits decline, the responsibility employers feel towards their employees, indeed, their whole community, decline. And wages comparable to the cost of living have declined dramatically. Coincidentally, the motivation to actually work has also declined.

  • candymarl

    I had a crush on Maynard G.

    What??? I was a kid.

  • Anonymous

    Do not link to Drudfge report that Portland protestors are singing F…USA.</b
    My
    laptop just sustained a big hit from it…Cannot get rid of the
    video/song and freezes everything up. I'm running whole security scan
    now…

    • Ferd_Berfle

      Thanks for the info, sowsear.

      • Anonymous

        I sent Drudge a message, but so far it’s still up..Drudge is going to take a hit too if  people cannot trust their posts.

        • Anonymous

          I suppose that’s the intention…

          • Anonymous

            Thanks… There is one about the OWS in Chicago cheering on the speeches of self described communists. If true it means Obama is on record as supporting communists. Way to go Obama.

          • Anonymous

            Blaze also has the story…with 280 comments…no I didn’t open it there.
            My laptop seems to be ok now..altho Firefox apologized for not being able to reopen the file after the scan had finished.  
            I hope the fix lasts. I do have Norton 360 which is top security, I’m told by my geek friend.

            • Anonymous

              Oh. I thought the chicago thing was a virus. I mean we now have the POTUS publically supporting communists. That sounds like a virus of the worst kind…

    • Anonymous

      Thank you sows; so sorry you got hit by it.

    • Anonymous

      Oh geez, I saw that.  Glad I didn’t link to it.  Hope you get your laptop staightened out sowsear1.

  • Anonymous

    “It is a subject he has obviously studied at length, and he explains how the real unemployment rate is actually well above the official level of 9.1%, which only measures people who have applied for a job within the previous four weeks. In fact, he says, unemployment has even surged beyond the Department of Labor’s “U-6″ number of 16.5% that has received increasing attention lately because it includes people who have given up looking for work within the past year, plus people who have been cut back from full-time employees to part-timers.
    Mr. Zuckerman says that when you also consider the labor-force participation rate and the so-called “birth-death series” that measures business starts and failures, the real U.S. unemployment rate is now 20%. His voice rising with equal parts anger and sadness, he exclaims, “That’s not America!”
    There is a difference between working an iPad and working for an iPad.
    Unenjoyment ?
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204002304576628673446417268.html

  • Anonymous

    Steve, I’m here taking a break from granding papers, so thought I might add comments about what I’m seening in the schools.. 

    When I first began teaching in 1970, I could expect to receive homework assignments to be turned each time for about 80% or above the number of students in my class.  If you subtracted the number of students who were absent that day, it was a pretty high number.  As an English teacher, grading nearly killed me and left me with NO FREE TIME.

    In my last years of teaching high school and now in the community college, I can get 50% of the papers turned in if I am lucky.  Though my syllabus has strict rules about absences, you can’t believe the excuses I get and the whining about how I might flunk them because they JUST HAD to miss for some reason or another.  I can tell them, they flunk themselves, but it falls on deaf ears. You couldn’t believe the pressure we get to accept “makeup” work.  You can’t believe how annoying it is to be set to grade the papers that are due and then have to go back and grade late work. 

    I am learning that many are registered because they qualified for Pell Grants, etc.  They work the system and their parents.  In some cases it’s just a way to hang out and not have to try to find a job.  In others, it’s just inability to make themselves do the work for the class.

    There are the students who make up the other half, the ones who come and do the work.  But, I worry they will not find work afterwards as most aren’t training for the type of work you describe.  Others may get work:  they’re training for work in healthcare-related fields or criminal justice work.  Sad, isn’t it.

    • Ferd_Berfle

      When I was in college from ’79 to ’82 if I didn’t turn in a paper–too bad, so sad. They didn’t accept excuses and expected the work to be done and the students to be present every day unless they were at death’s door. And I had actual tenured professors educating me and not some TA with only marginally more knowledge of the subject than I possessed. I didn’t take fluff courses either–chemistry and philosophy. I loved it.

      • Anonymous

        Heck, I missed my brother’s wedding in CA because I had to work to pay for college and because I would have missed a Humanities test.  These people miss for torn fingernails.

    • yttik

      LOL, I coach sports sometimes, science teams, things like that. Your post made me laugh because I’m in trouble again for gently pointing out to the kids that I am a volunteer, that a lot of time and money is being invested in providing them with this opportunity. It is disrespectful to waste my time, to goof off, to not come prepared. I reminded them all that they are not entitled to be there, this is something we are doing for fun. The kids understood, they got my point, but the parents, good grief! How dare I imply that their kids aren’t entitled to be there! How dare I threaten not to waste my time anymore!

      And the rewards we have to give these kids just for participating! Every year the parents want pictures, designer sweat shirts, trophies, pizza parties, awards ceremonies. My goodness, in real life nobody is going to throw you a parade just for showing up!

  • Anonymous

    Excellent post, Steve. Many of the younger generation thinks that all they should have to do is show up, sit on their behinds and collect a paycheck.  I’ve worked with some seriously lazy ass twenty-somethings in my life.  They often seem to be “allergic” to actual physical labor of any kind.  I’ve had to work at all kinds of jobs and some were pretty physical.  I had to do whatever I could to survive.  There wasn’t anybody I could run to if I didn’t have an income to pay my bills.  Parents aren’t doing their kids any favors by letting them spunge off of them ad infinitum.  I understand wanting to help your kids when times are tough for them, but sometimes you don’t help people by helping them too much, if you know what I mean.

    • Anonymous

      You are exactly correct SSDD2….tough love is not a bad thing!!  Much of the problem (in my mind anyway) is that the computer/video/ipad/iphone/ipod generation are not exactly used to having to move.  You can sit at home, download music, order pizza, order clothes, order groceries, etc and you never have to leave the house!!

      There is not much out there in the way of motivation.

      “Say What You Will…It Feels So Good”
      http://www.saywhatyouwill.proboards.com

      • Anonymous

        I don’t have this on personal experience, but I have been told by friends and by a friend who books cruises not to take a cruise with an American crew. They say that American crews are lazy, slovenly, and passive aggressive if not insolent. My one friend said that she took a cruise out of Hawaii where the dining experinece was a disaster, the cabin help a laugh.

  • Anonymous

    Steve I think part of it also goes back to how a child is raised. As a single mom, way back when, if my son wanted those pricey labels, he had to pay half for the item(shoes, jersey’s, etc.) he ended up taking better care of the item, and also learned a bit about money, and also had to get a job to support a taste that was not in our budget. He did this willingly. I remember his first job was a Subway at 16 and he thought it was great because he got a free sandwich. Next he worked at the junk yard taking tires off of rims, it wore him out, calming those raging hormones a bit and also gave him a better wage than sandwich making, and he learned how to get his hands dirty and a few blisters. I never made him pay for my responsibilities as a parent, but for the extra goodies, and spendy items, he had to come up with some of the cash if it was an item I would normally get as required(clothing, school stuff and so on). He learned quickly how easy it was to be taken advantage of by friends who were slackers, he learned that quality isn’t always the item that is the most pricey, and mostly he learned there were things he really wasted money on and he wished he hadn’t. At the time, cell phones hadn’t hit the market yet, pagers were all the rage, so we didn’t have that issue. He didn’t need the pager I did, he called me to let me know where he was and when he would be home. None of this was easy, but I think because we really had to make our pennies count, he didn’t argue with me, he was honest and hard working, and kept up with his school work and sports as well. This is the son I talk about when I speak about my soldier, he is an only child who has carried that “worth of work” ethic forward. Oh another thing, when he wanted to go to school, we agreed to providing for him at the community college level first, then we would help him. He did that then went to Eastern Michigan, but stepped out and joined the service his mid junior year, and has loved it ever since. 
    Yes, I think part of parenting is sometimes teaching your child what the word “no” sounds like, explaining that they will not die if they don’t have the newest, most expensive, blah blah blah, and maybe even teach them to clip a coupon or two. Children don’t learn to suddenly handle anger when they turn 18, nor do then suddenly understand how to handle money, or comprehend the voting process, as parents we must teach them in advance and make them a part of the realities they will later encounter in life on their own. JMHO

    • Anonymous

      Beautiful story and sounds to me like you were instrumental in the instilling of a good work ethic, morals and integrity in your son.  Pampering children and letting them run amok has taken the place of NO in too many households and the results have been less than stellar.

      You do nice work Katmoon…  :)

      “Say What You Will…It Feels So Good”

      • Anonymous

        Thanks PsstCmere, but my son has that intestinal fortitude as part of who he is. God gave me the best teacher I have ever known, my son. Being his mother has made me, a far better person, and better parent. He continues to inspire me, as I watch him with my grandchildren.

        • Anonymous

          That reminds me…please thank your son for his service to this country, Katmoon.  It isn’t everyone who willingly does a job where they could actually give up their life doing it.  It takes a very special kind of person to do that.  It takes a hero.

          • Anonymous

            Thank- You! I sure will, his whole little family amazes me, all of them heroes in my eyes.

    • Anonymous

      My youngest son had  a job in a clothing store one summer during high school. He could get the clothes he bought at a discount…so he came home with a couple of doozies. One was a pair of silver “parachute pants’ which he ended up never wearing…Luckily, he did remember to save enough so that he had some spending money when he went back to school in the fall.

    • Anonymous

      My youngest son had  a job in a clothing store one summer during high school. He could get the clothes he bought at a discount…so he came home with a couple of doozies. One was a pair of silver “parachute pants’ which he ended up never wearing…Luckily, he did remember to save enough so that he had some spending money when he went back to school in the fall.

      • Anonymous

        ROFL Sowsear, I think my son had the matching jacket to those pants; silver with a lime green piping(yuck). I didn’t say a thing but his girlfriend(now his wife)nixed the wearing of the jacket on dates; she tole him he looked like a pimp. Roflmao, thanks for reminding me of that ugly jacket!

        • Ferd_Berfle

          Oh, God, that was one fugly jacket.

          • Anonymous

            The 80′s. 

            • Anonymous

              Exactly.

        • HELENK

          wait until you have grandchildren that are old enough to enjoy the  pictures of their parents when they were young. Those are great blackmail  pictures.
          Or do as I did  two Christmases ago, I wrote memory books for each of my children reminding them of their childhood activites. Scared the hell out of them as they were afraid their children would find out about their exploits. Naturally I would never put anything in the book to lower the respect of the child for the parent, but kids sweated blood until they read the books.
          It is fun being a grandparent

          • Anonymous

            Excellent idea Helen, mind if I use it?

  • Anonymous

     
    Steve – This is an very insightful and unfortunate statement about American society. It is also very relevant given these Wall Street protests and the support coming from Obama.
     
    When I was a kid whenever there was a snowstorm all of us used to go out with shovels and make money shoveling out cars and driveways. Today, you never see a kid with a shovel and that chore is done by latino laborers.The kids today are pampered and lazy.
     
    But I also happen to know men in their early 50′s who have found ways of playing the system – concocting ways of being “disabled” in order to collect social security disability and even medicare. I know one person who was layed off two years ago and never bothered to look for another job because he kept getting unemployment benefits from Obama.
     
    Since World War II we have created a welfare society meaning we rely more and more on the government taking care of all of our needs. 
     
    These people that are protesting all believe that they don’t have to work hard for a living – that society owes them a good life without earning it – and a good education without paying for it. This is the society of government reliance – a society that was never imagined by the founding fathers. 
     

    • Anonymous

      Hokma, it’s true that age is not a defining factor in people gaming the system.  There have always been lazy pikers, get-rich-quick types, gamblers, thieves, and con-men.  But few can deny that young people are taking longer and longer to grow up, and that our American lifestyles have become more sedentary.  We’ve coddled our kids to ruination for several consecutive generations, each worse than the last.  I probably should have placed more blame on the parents than I did.  I mentioned it, but I think I should have hammered the point.

      • Ferd_Berfle

        We’ve coddled our kids to ruination for several consecutive generations, each worse than the last.
        =======================
        We sure have–from not allowing little Timmy and little Sally to learn about the real world to little Timmy and little Sally getting an award simply for showing up.

        Little Timmy and little Sally are told they can be anything they want to be. What they weren’t told, and this is where the my-child-is-my-friend type of loony parenting is so ineffectual, is that it wouldn’t be handed to them and that they would actually have to work at it.

        Takers.

    • Anonymous

      Yep, when I was a kid, a snowstorm in winter, the falling leaves of autumn and the overgrowth of grass in summer all promised earning potential.  You could rack up a tidy sum if you were industrious.  Not anymore.  You’d be hard pressed to find a kid to shovel your driveway, rake you leaves or mow your lawn these days.  They’re all sitting in front of the TV, playing video games or chatting non stop on their cell phones.  They can just go to mom or dad and ask for money to buy things they need or want.  Nobody is expecting them to earn it anymore.

      • Anonymous

        Also collecting pop bottles, babysitting for .50 an hour, walking dogs, to name a few. Heck we even did the smudge pots in the orchards in the winter to keep the pears from freezing.

    • Anonymous

      Somewhere else I have recounted how my grandson shovels snow and mows lawn for a single lady who lives near him….has been doing so for a couple of years now.

  • HELENK

    I hear what you are saying and agree with a lot what you say. But there is one thing that keeps getting overlooked. The so-called rights of children have tied the hands of many parents.
    No I do not think you should be able to harm a child but you should be able to correct them.
    My daughters have told me, that today I would be in trouble for the way I corrected my kids.
    My house, my rules.
    example
    I came home from work one morning ( I worked third shift) my son who was a senior in high school decided not to go to school that day.
    I called the marine recruiter and asked where do I sign. Now I knew at that time they would not take him he had not finished school, but  my son did not know that.
    He was told . you have a choice, school, job or uniform, I did not raise you to be a load. Today that would be considered child abuse.

    My oldest daughter decided to skip school, when I found out, I took her to school and told her, you act like a two year old, I will treat you like a two year old. I will hold your hand and take you from class to class. needless to say it did not happen again.
    But today parents are not allowed to do that.

    Was I tough on them ? Maybe but someone had to teach them and I gave birth to them and it was my job

    • Anonymous

      I hear you Helen. The law to protect children has gone way overboard, because of the new group of very negligent parents, and true abusers. As a CASA volunteer I can tell you 90% of the cases we see are pure neglect. Without going into the gory details, often it is a lack of food, or care or correct clothing for weather because Mom and baby daddy are higher than a kite.
      I went thru a short rough patch with my son, he got sassy one day and told me he didn’t like how I was doing his laundry-from that day forward he became responsible for doing it himself. I did tell him I would rather not have to hunt him down if he was foolish enough to lie to me about skipping school, so I allowed him a “mental health” day every now and then. He was not allowed to leave the house, had to stay home as if he were ill, and was held to the homework schedule required for make-up; I think he used only twice his whole time in high school. When he was 13 he got the insane idea to put his hands on me and push me, I did knock him on his butt without thinking(I have 5 brothers an am the only girl). I called the police so they could check him out and confessed to my part in the situation, the cop had a good horse laugh and showed him the information regarding what happens to someone who assaults their parent. He never tried that game of pushing Mom again. I did feel guilty, but in the 17 years that have passed, my son actually told me he thought I was a very loving mom, and totally understood why I reacted, that one time that way.
      As the shift to keep children safe has become insane in the inability to allow “normal” discipline, children can and do become unmanageable as they have no boundaries nor routine. As my grandmother always said, just remember when your child goes out into the world, not everyone is as fond of him as you are. You do him a disservice if you let him be a petulant child; just teach him to be loving and responsible for his behavior.

      • HELENK

        I know I could not be a parent today. I have a neighbor  who has two teenage boys. One of them called her an f–king whore. this one is almost 19 and has no job and is not really looking for one.  the other one told her she needed to get a job, he thinks school work is for someone else.
        I know me, they would have been out of my house so fast they would not have known what hit them and they would not get back in.

        Mine were taught that I did not lose my right to respect when I had them and I would not put up with it.

        • Ferd_Berfle

          It’s a pity there aren’t more parents like you raising children today. And don’t get me started on our system of education. I once had a teacher actually lecture me for being *too hard* on my daughter. (To think, horrors, that I actually made her do her homework and even turn it in was too much for this teacher, apparently). I told her to mind her business unless she wanted me to lecture her about the crap being taught in the schools. She zipped it.

  • Ferd_Berfle

    Thank you Steve for a well-documented, well-written short-course in Generation Duh. I am fortunate in that I work in an extremely technical position that requires both a real education and years of first-hand experience. We don’t have anyone younger than 40 working in our group and we always exceed our goals and are on time and under budget unless the government steps in asking stupid questions.

    I wish I had better news for you, but it isn’t going to get better any time soon.

    • Anonymous

      Thanks, Ferd.   I’ve been trying to tell my boss for four years that we should always hire older workers whenever we have the chance.  But he’s so conditioned to wanting young bucks under 25, it’s like a bad habit he can’t break. I think he looks at it like professional sports, where a guy over 30 is a has-been.  Over 40 is a novelty act.

      Lately, he’s been hiring “green card” Mexicans, which is fine with me.  It’s kind of amazing that these guys are twice as productive as the white boys, and they never complain, never miss a day, and have sunny dispositions even at the end of a hard day.

      • Anonymous

        Funny how gratitude makes one appreciate a job. I think graduated is one of those lost character traits of the last decade, along with self-respect, and maturity.

      • Ferd_Berfle

        I don’t know what your employer is thinking, Steve. Those older than 40 still have a work ethic and your boss would be well-advised to think again about who he is hiring.

        A couple of years ago I needed to replace the main water line from the meter to my house. To save money (~$600.00), I told the plumber I would dig the trench from the meter to the house. The plumber raised his eyebrows but said OK. I told him to be there the next day early and ready to work.

        I dug the 30-ft trench in about 4 hours using a post-hole digger. The plumber came early, expecting a poor job. When he looked at the trench, which was to depth and width specifications and had a gravel base already laid, the plumber then asked if I wanted a job.

        • Anonymous

          Funny, I dug a trench for a plumber too – but manually. Guess they think people in their sixties (and women) lose their ability to use a shovel.

          • Anonymous

            I believe the post-hole digger, is a hand-held shovel type tool as well.
             

            • Anonymous

              Thanks, Kat & Ferd. Out here they have automated ones too but I should have known Ferd wouldn’t use anything so sissy ;)

            • Ferd_Berfle

              but I should have known Ferd wouldn’t use anything so sissy ;)
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              ROFL. Actually, I’m a bit clutzy around power tools because I’m always thinking about three steps ahead so I do prefer manual tools.

          • Ferd_Berfle

            I hear you, EllenD. Katmoon is always out helping me. We’re the old fogies who do everything by hand. A post-hole digger, btw, is a manual digging device with two blades attached to two handles. It is not easy work.

            I do everything the old-fashioned way–I get exercise and the satisfaction of knowing that the work I did was performed correctly. because of the number of trees and underground utilities, the use of a power digger was impossible.

            • Ferd_Berfle

              Post hole digger

            • Anonymous

              Us middle aged folks take pride in what we do.  A half assed job is the same as no job at all.

      • ctfsh

        Why didn’t you include this in your original piece? This is very pertinent. Some of us ARE over 30 and would love that job. This seems to be happening everywhere.

      • ctfsh

        Green card is in quotes? So this guy hires illegals.

        • Anonymous

          No, you’ve misread my use of quotes.  They are legal, they have green cards. I put green cards in quotes not as a wink, but because I wanted to stress that they were legal, that they have work visas.

          • JustMe

            Green Cards make the person a legal resident. You can apply for a green card after having come to the States on a visa, which is normally dictated on the length or type of the visa! No work visa is necessary once you have obtained a green card! You can move freely within the States and apply for a vacancy within most companies. Unless they advertise the position for citizens only… Legal resident/Green card is unable to apply for is a government position, one needs to become a citizen.

            • Anonymous

              Exactly, green cards are how one gets employment, legally.

      • Anonymous

        “I’ve been trying to tell my boss for four years that we should always
        hire older workers whenever we have the chance.  But he’s so conditioned
        to wanting young bucks under 25, it’s like a bad habit he can’t break. ”

        Then it’s his tough luck that he is discriminating against the best employees and can’t get the immature young males he wants to hire to care about his job.
        (I am assuming that females also fit into the discrimination as they aren’t “bucks”.)
        Your boss can’t complain that no one wants the jobs when he only wants “the young bucks under 25″.
        He just lost any sympathy I have.