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What Will Barack Do About Iraq?

(bumped up by NoQuarter)

News today that the Government of Iraq is ready to sign onboard to an agreement that withdraws all U.S. forces by December 2011. That is thirty-six months:

The US and Iraq will formally commit to a pact that withdraws all American forces from the country within three years, and pulls all combat troops out of most provinces by mid-2009, the Iraqi cabinet announced yesterday. The deal for the first time prescribes a timeline for an American departure from Iraq, which the US president-elect, Barack Obama, had foreshadowed as top of his foreign policy agenda when he takes office on January 20.

In a development that caught coalition officials by surprise, Iraq’s cabinet yesterday ended one year of protracted negotiations by agreeing to a series of US amendments to draft documents. All but one cabinet minister present at the meeting committed to the agreement.

On Saturday the leading Shia cleric, Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani dropped his opposition to the deal, in a shift that some observers believe paved the way for a Shia bloc in the cabinet to vote in its favour.

Who cares if the Government of Iraq wants all U.S. forces out of Iraq by December 2011? Barack Obama initially promised to have all U.S. combat troops out of Iraq by December 2009. (I would refer you to the webpage but the Obama campaign scrubbed this site. I presume they decided this was not a promise they could keep.) A copy of the original position paper is still available here:

A SUBSTANTIAL, IMMEDIATE REDEPLOYMENT OF AMERICAN TROOPS

“There is no military solution in Iraq. The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq’s leaders to resolve their civil war is to begin immediately to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year–now.”

All Combat Troops Redeployed by 2009: Barack Obama would immediately begin redeploying American troops from Iraq. The withdrawal would be strategic and phased, directed by military commanders on the ground and done in consultation with the Iraqi government. Troops would be removed from secure areas first, with troops remaining longer in more volatile areas. The drawdown would begin immediately with one to two combat brigades redeploying each month and all troops engaged in combat operations out by the end of next year.

Obama would immediately begin to pull out troops engaged in combat operations at a pace of one or two brigades every month, to be completed by the end of next year. He would call for a new constitutional convention in Iraq, convened with the United Nations, which would not adjourn until Iraq’s leaders reach a new accord on reconciliation. He would use presidential leadership to surge our diplomacy with all of the nations of the region on behalf of a new regional security compact. And he would take immediate steps to confront the humanitarian disaster in Iraq, and to hold accountable any perpetrators of potential war crimes.

But President-elect then changed the timeline. To 16 months. Assuming we start the clock on 20 January 2009, that means all U.S. soldiers should be out of Iraq by 1 June 2010.

All of this still hinges on the Iraqi legislature approving the deal. The key provisions are:

_ U.S. forces must withdraw from Iraq by Jan. 1, 2012.

_ U.S. forces must withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009.

_ Iraqi authorities are granted extensive power over the operations and movements of U.S. forces.

_ The U.S. cannot use Iraqi territory to attack Iraq’s neighbors, including Syria and Iran.

Iraq’s neighbor, Iran, who has been supporting the Government of Maliki, expressed surprisingly strong support for the deal:

Some hard-liners continued to lash out at the agreement, but comments in the state media and from one of the clerical state’s most powerful figures signaled Tehran may be taking the view that no matter what it dislikes in the deal, it will eventually mean the departure of the Americans.

“The Iraqi government has done very well regarding this,” the Web site of Iran’s state television quoted judiciary chief Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi as saying. “We hope the outcome of (the deal) will be in favor of Islam and Iraqi sovereignty.”

Iran welcomes anything that it believes will reduce U.S. influence in the region.

This will be one of the first nettlesome issues facing Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Will President Obama insist on his 16 month timeline or will he decide he must be more flexible and deal with the realities on the ground? I am guessing the latter. What do you think?

  • BernieO

    He said as much in his interview on 60 minutes.

    • nancysabet

      he couldn’t say much, there was no teleprompte..he said today he wants to “fix things up”… ?? was he really graduated from Harvard?
      e has no f…idea what he wants to do with Ir, he will wait till Hillary tell him how.

      GO TO TIME , and VOTE Who Will Be Person of the Year 2008?

      http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1857576_1858035,00.html

      Vote for Hillary or Palin please.

  • sowsear

    Is Hillary SOS for sure? How sad to be under that pipsqueak’s thumb.

    • Galt’s Pizza Parlor & While You Wait Exorcisms

      If that’s true there is one side benefit: the folks over at the orange place, their underoos will be in knots! :shock:

      • TeakWoodKite

        Sheeees baaaack!

    • catherine

      If she accepted than she must have something on him. Hillary may be many things but naive and dumb are not among them.

      Although I’m against her being SOS…simply because I distrust Barky. If she accepts, however, it means more likely that she has enough to have him under her thumb and he can’t try any BS with her.

      Something’s up. Nobody outmaneuvers the Clintons. For them politics really is a game of chess. A move we may consider “unwise” can prove to be merely the necessary first step to checkmate.

      • Winston

        Nobody outmaneuvers the Clintons.

        Were you watching the DNC primaries? The Clinton’s got out manured. The thugs from Chicago and Pelosi stole the selection. The Clinton’s got checkmated (rooked) so Hillary was forced to campaign for Obama or the party was going to throw her under the bus. Looks like Barry will be there for 8 years for sure now. Sad.

        • imustprotest

          Yep, thugs from the Chicago Combine. Disgusting is what I say.

        • Dumb Mel

          I dunno.

          If the Rezko type stuff heats up, in conjunction with Iraq, and our bankrupt economy, it could get interesting.

          Right now, the US must evolve, finding a way to heal it’s economy, ridding itself of the world corruption that affects it, while still maintaing a strong strategic position.

          Given lemons, you make lemonade, right?

          • sowsear

            Fitzgerald is a goner,(at least for the time being)

            • Dumb Mel

              While they might promote him up, it might be too obvious to simply get rid of him.

              But I don’t know, it’s up to them.

              I wouldn’t think the whole thing depends on Fitzgerald, the criminality in part, I bet, is what broke the treasury, affecting national security. The corruption in Iraq traces right back to Chicago, among other places.

              And a lot of people, including the Pentagon, have to be concerned about it…

          • DogLegLeft

            Right.

            As much as many of us dislike Obama and are beyond angry about the way things went down in the primaries (I’m certainly one of them) our country cannot afford to fail. Failure is not an option.

            Since we appear to be stuck with him, let Obama make his hopey dopey speeches and “fireside chats”. Blah, blah. Who cares. Let those who know what the hell they’re doing get to work and pull us out of this morass. He doesn’t know his asshole from his elbow on just about everything. We all need all the help he get. jmo.

            You’re not so dumb, Mel. ;)

        • catherine

          Yeah, I watched how Hillary was fighting against 3 (the media, Obama’s vicious campaign AND the corrupt DNC) with both hands tied behind her back and she still whooped his ass. The nomination was STOLEN from her right in front of the entire kool aid induced nation.

          • Galt’s Pizza Parlor & While You Wait Exorcisms

            WE bore wittiness and will never forgive nor forget.

            • Galt’s Pizza Parlor & While You Wait Exorcisms

              Freudian slip, should be “witness” but the other works too. ;)

              • Steve_in_KC

                Some of us bore witless, but we still won’t forgive or forget. ;)

        • Winston

          In 8 years Michelle Obama will move the NY and Barry will help her become a senator. She will sit around and not do much of anything and years later end up in some cabinet position. The cycle will be complete. That’s the change we can believe in.

          • TeakWoodKite

            Would some at NQ please re-post Dr. Carol’s letter for this person called Winston?

            Winston the wheels of progress grind slowly. The wheels of justice even slower. Karma is instant.

            You honestly think Senator Clinton “sat around” ??? Where were you on 9/12/01?

            I can grantee you, Hillary was not at ground zero to do “not do much of anything”.

        • NoBamaNoWay

          i think it was the 24/7 pro-obama MSM propaganda and the racist block voting of AAs in particular and some hispanics (in the primaries). how could nay body win against that.

          • warehouse553

            The majority of hispanics stuck with Hillary in the primaries. 90% of AA were the ones who abandoned her!

        • csuzeq

          You took the words right off of my comment.

        • mimi

          Well, since I’m no Republican, and since my vote for McCain didn’t add up to a hill of beans, I accept that Hillary’s chances for 2012 are over. I don’t know why people keep insisting that isn’t the case. That’s the whole reason behind actually pulling the lever for McCain. Hillary’s only chance was if 0bama lost.

          And I’m not going to speculate on the possible doomsday scenarios vis a vis 0bama and subsequently, Hillary’s chances.

          Right now, the economy is center stage and I’m thinking that 0bama just might, be making the only choice he has right now. Let’s face it, if he had gone another route, he would surely be putting his presidency in jeopardy right from the start. I’m sure his expectations are that Hillary will handle things and at least keep any kind of nasty twitches from abroad at bay. (And it doesn’t hurt that Hillary always has Bill, an ex-POTUS riding shotgun.) The move really sets a tone throughout the world that a neophyte like 0bama desperately needs.

          I basically hate the idea of losing my Senator, but given that her Democratic colleagues all but dissed her openly, I don’t know if I’d want to work with these asswipes either on a daily basis. And the idea that Richardson and Kerry are getting screwed, is just to delicious for me to bear.

          I’m letting Hillary take care of Hillary. Even if it turns out to be the disaster a lot of us feel it could be, her life is still times better off than mine.

  • LD

    Are we ever to believe anything said during a campaign? Politicking is purely about telling the people what they think they want to hear…that has absolutely nothing to do with the truth or maintaining any degree of consistency let alone integrity.

    • Galt’s Pizza Parlor & While You Wait Exorcisms

      Which is why we examined Opampers past associations, record (or lack thereof), character (or lack thereof) and campaign tactics such as caucus fraud. He got a big fat goose egg for a grade on all those counts.

    • gregoryp

      You are absolutely correct on this and are 100% to blame for it as well. Until the American public starts making politicians accountable for their lies, half-truths, semantics, etc. then they will continue to lie through their teeth on the campaign trail. I want to elect people who are trustworthy. People who will actually do what they say and not waver. That way I can judge them on their results and not some goofy abstraction like feeling good or liking the way he sounds.

  • Galt’s Pizza Parlor & While You Wait Exorcisms

    What Will Barack Do About Iraq?

    Since he is a serial liar who the fuck knows.

    • NoBamaNoWay

      correct on both of your above comments.

    • http://~ jackie

      He will facilitate the deaths of more soldiers because he has no idea what he is doing and will waffle around so much the terrorists like his pal Ayers will gain courage and strike back.

      Bullies are defeated by brute force delivered without mercy or remorse.

  • I’m a Linda too

    It looks like we all win prizes with “I TOLD YOU SO”.

    The stories of Barry’s foreign policy advisers secretly talking about having half the amount of troops there at the end of 2010. Yep WE WERE RIGHT, Barry was planning on keeping the troops there as long as possible and AGAIN, playing politics with our TROOPS, HE WILL HAVE THEM HOME BEFORE THE NEXT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

    I guess you can say, we pay attention.

    • I’m a Linda too

      Obama Advisor: 60,000 Troops Should Stay In Iraq Through 2010

      April 4, 2008

      A key adviser to Senator Obama’s campaign is recommending in a confidential paper that America keep between 60,000 and 80,000 troops in Iraq as of late 2010, a plan at odds with the public pledge of the Illinois senator to withdraw combat forces from Iraq within 16 months of taking office.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/04/obama-advisor-60000-troop_n_95026.html

      OR

      http://www.nysun.com/national/obama-adviser-calls-for-60000-80000-us-troops/74207/

      NO-YOU SAY?

      • I’m a Linda too

        And then of course, Samantha Powers in her BBC interview telling us he will craft another policy when president, not use his campaign stump.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzy3lObigF0

      • csuzeq

        Well, of course I am so shocked by that. Someone who stood by his pledges on FISA, Public Financing, well, everything he stood for, of course he would…Oh, oops. I guess not. Hmmmmm. If nothing else, Barfy should be an educational president if the stupid bots aren’t so learning impaired!

        I hate being stuck with Obarfy! Quick! someone invent a time machine and take us ahead to 2012 and if that sucks take us to 2016. It may be our only hope!

        • TeakWoodKite

          csuzeq; Dr. Who has the Tartus…you could hitch a ride maybe.

          I am sure he will stop at Galt’s Pizzeria and Department Store on the way there.

  • Cubs in 09

    He would call for a new constitutional convention in Iraq, convened with the United Nations, which would not adjourn until Iraq’s leaders reach a new accord on reconciliation.

    What was that about respecting Iraq’s sovereignty? :mrgreen:

  • sevan

    We have a problem. Obama secretly asked iraq to not reach an agreement on troop withdrawal until he was in office and could pull it off and get the glory.
    Poor guy. Just when he has all his ducks lined up, it comes to another person and he is out of the loop.

    • Galt’s Pizza Parlor & While You Wait Exorcisms

      Wow that was a quick honeymoon, and he hasn’t even been sworn in yet. LMAO.

  • DogLegLeft

    I think it will be the latter, as well.

    The 16 month timeline was always a carrot for votes out of the left. The “get out now” crowd.

    Working the political solution in Iraq and a start date to begin the withdrawl. But no end date. So says General Clark. He’s been saying it for years and it’s what Hillary said, as well. Even if some didn’t want to hear it.

    Obama knew better about the 16 months. Yes. He lied. And I expect him to backtrack after “he gets an on the ground assessment”. Wink, wink.

    However, if you believe General Clark and you believe Hillary. Dropping the end date is the best approach. The “responsible” approach.

    • TeakWoodKite

      Whats par for this hole?

      These two items;
      Iraqi authorities are granted extensive power over the operations and movements of U.S. forces.

      _ The U.S. cannot use Iraqi territory to attack Iraq’s neighbors, including Syria and Iran.

      are not a military smart move. It appears like Storman Norman can’t get a break.

      LJ, what do you think the odds are that there will be a major problem on this?

      Mukhtar Al Sadar, Iran and Syria are waiting for their Tee time as our troops are garrisoned.

      What a mess!

      It will take a well qualified SOD working it with SOS to get this done. And the the most twisted thing about it is BO is not part of the Adult Club.

  • Will Smith

    Hillary Clinton to accept Obama’s offer of secretary of state job.
    Hillary Clinton plans to accept the job of secretary of state offered by Barack Obama, who is reaching out to former rivals to build a broad coalition administration, the Guardian has learned.

    guardian.co.uk

  • http://ontheseventhday.wordpress.com/ oo12oo

    Congratulations to the former First Lady, US Senator Hillary Clinton, if it’s true that she will indeed accept the offer of US Secretary of State in the incoming Obama Administration.

    Al

    • WildChild

      There might be hope for the world yet. Though it’s ironic that the hope came in the form of a Clinton… and the BOBO wanted us to believe that Hillary was the last thing America needed.

      • imustprotest

        Maybe he thought she was, “likeable enough” for the position, excluding the times she “periodically felt down.” I guess he’s forgiven her and her husband for being “racist” and for her “calling for his assassination” by bringing up RFK.

        • WildChild

          LOL I wonder how many times he had to say please. It probably looked something like this.

          Please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please (gasp), please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please,….

          • torland077

            I don’t understand how this is a good thing. SoS still works for the president doesnt he/she? She is going to have to go around doing Obie’s bidding. How is that good for Hilary or US? And if he don’t like what she is doing he just fires her, and then she is neither SoS or Senator. The SoS may have some input but it is not their call.

  • catherine

    It’s not gonna be in 16 months. There’s the fantasy idealistic rhetoric of campaigning (dare I say fairytale)and then the inescapable realities of governing.

    Too bad kos trolls. Your rock star “messiah” is going to have to become a pragmatic grown-up if he wants any chance of success.

    That’s why politics is really for ADULTS and not children….especially the Paris-Hilton-reality-shows Generation Loser that is so enamored of Barky.

    Perhaps the voting age should go back to 21. If these kids are’nt old enough to drink why on earth would we allow them to help elect the leader of the free world???

    • WildChild

      It gives the rest of us a reason to drink.

      • imustprotest

        Who needs a reason? Cheers!

        • WildChild

          salut!

      • Judy L. NC

        LOL, y’all!

  • Dumb Mel

    How does America’s current broken economy, for lack of a better word, play into this decision?

    We can’t afford to send 11 billion, per month, into that black hole, contractors, of which Rummy was so fond, cannot be paid.

    How does the failure of AIG play into this decision?

    And if Clinton has in fact accepted the SOS position, how will it play into establishing an Iraqi American alliance, will this open middle eastern diplomatic doors the Bush administration couldn’t budge?

    And how does the corruption, rampant in Iraq, play into it’s stability, meaning if some are paid to “stay calm,” what happens when the cash is withdrawn?

    Will Iran want to take responsibility for Iraq, economically, or even Russia (oil, say)?

    I hate to say this, and I do not mean to disparage the tragedy this war has brought, but it feels like we’re cutting a tumor off…

  • pal3

    Let say Israel strikes Iran. What should the U.S do?

    • Dumb Mel

      Bombing Iran could lead to Russian intervention, in addition it could adversely affect Israel’s economic infrastructure, destabilizing an already tentative political climate, certainly the LAST thing it needs, at this point, is to open an active front in an already inflamed Middle Eastern asymmetric war.

      It could also lead to retaliation against US troops still in the area, again, not a wise move.

      • Dumb Mel

        Israel is dependent on US aid, so I guess that could be withheld if an unwise military move was in the offing.

    • yttik

      Call Hillary at 3 am and ask her what to do?

  • typical.white.person

    The incompetence of Obama voters:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8

    .

  • Strawberrybitch

    I always loved the fact that Barky uses the term “Combat troops out” But the Iraqis use the term “ALL US forces”. He’s such a wanker. He must think people are too stupid to see the difference…oh wait.

  • csuzeq

    I have been known to say:

    The dumbing down of America…complete. Mission accomplished.

    Now I have to rethink that because there are a few of us here with working brain cells.

    • Galt’s Pizza Parlor & While You Wait Exorcisms

      True, but we don’t wield any meaningful power over said sheeple of mission accomplished. Not sure how much good it does me anymore to have a clue. I’m miserable knowing.

      • Vampira for Amerika

        Animals, Galt. I’m retreating in to a focus on to them…while moving to protect my assets. Animals are so pure, they take the 0bama misery away. I too wish I didn’t know so much, but it’s already saved my retirement that I did.

  • warehouse553

    Please somebody stop Hillary from taking this job!

    • Judy L. NC

      I’m with you, warehouse553.

  • honora

    I went to the Time Person of the Year site listed above. Tina Fey has more votes than does Hillary Clinton, America does not deserve Hillary. I’m with you Warehouse.

    • csuzeq

      Yes, but does she have more than Odrama? We already know he is going to win. I don’t know why they are bothering with a vote. I don’t know why we even had a Primary for crying out loud! The media already told you 2008 belongs to Odrama. They won’t even consider another. Don’t waste time voting when you know the answer already.

      Hello? who has listened to us here in 2008? Just us folks here.

      suck it TIME magazine. Just suck it and enjoy your token POTUS while you still can.

  • Sassy

    Barack will wait to be told what to do and say about Iraq!
    It was never much of a priority for him since he was forced to visit that country!
    Delegate the responsibility…Biden has lots of ideas!

    • Arabella Trefoil

      I thought Obama was going to apologize and take all the troups out of Iraq.

  • http://americasfavoriteterrorist.com/ Gerard McNedich

    what will Obama do?

    ask Soros:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=aF7fB1PF0NPg

    hilarious…

    a. hillary
    b. mccain

    america first!

  • Sassy

    The Senate Republicans held together well on the issue of Iraq.
    Do they still have the will to carry on with diminished numbers?
    Only time will tell, but I hope that everyone involved puts the well-being and honor of our troops first.
    We could have had a President Clinton or a President McCain to insure that…what a loss!

  • Lisa-NY

    It’s a political mind-f**k if Obama selects Hillary as SOS. If she accepts , then I wish her a successful ride down the toilet bowl of political mistakes. Play it smart Hillary…stay here in New York.

  • Doc99

    There’s still time for Obama to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq.

  • http://thatsmeontheleft.blogspot.com/ Puget Sound Island Girl

    I hope she stays far away from SOS. If she does not then under the bus she will go.

  • Mandelay

    “Iraq quietly trims corruption oversight” New York Times

    http://www.slate.com/id/2204893/?from=rss

    • Doc99

      Does anyone still subscribe to the NY Times?

      • Mandelay

        I doubt it, but the story is interesting. The link I provided is to the Slate site which mentioned this story in its news round-up of a number of stories from different papers.