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Hitting the Economic Panic Button

Europe is bleeding to death economically and the average American is oblivious to the crisis. Yesterday, while Europe teetered on the precipice of economic chaos, all of the US cable channels as well as the BBC were riveted on the judge’s ruling in the case of Michael Jackson’s doctor. I shit you not.

I understand why the cable news stations and even the mainstream news programs shy away from covering the unraveling of the Euro and the collapse of credit markets in Europe–there is nothing to show on TV. It would be one thing if folks were stepping out on the ledges of tall buildings and flinging themselves into the void. But that’s not happening. I am sure we would have coverage if a tall bank building was consumed by a fiery inferno or collapsed into a pile of rubble.

But just because you can’t show it as a tangible threat on the telly do not make the mistake of assuming this is not a big deal. The world economic leaders hit the fucking panic button today.

In an unprecedented move, the Federal Reserve bank and the banks of Canada, England, Japan, Switzerland and the EU, acted in concert to prop up the Euro and ensure that borrowing could continue:

The U.S. Federal Reserve, after a similar effort in September, will “lower the pricing on the existing temporary U.S. dollar liquidity swap arrangements by 50 basis points so that the new rate will be the U.S. dollar overnight index swap (OIS) rate plus 50 basis points.”

Wednesday’s move from the Fed was matched by corresponding actions from the Bank of Canada, Bank of England, Bank of Japan, European Central Bank and Swiss National Bank. The new pricing applies to operations conducted as of Dec. 5, and the authorization of the swap arrangements has been extended to Feb. 13. (Read the FOMC press release here.)

While the effort to provide more liquidity may temporarily soothe the symptoms of Europe’s debt crisis and allow financial institutions easier access to funding, it does little to address the underlying roots of overburdened governments that need to be propped up while they drastically cut spending.

Efforts to tackle the crucial issues at the heart of the crisis continue to move in fits and starts. The European Financial Stability Fund (EFSF) announced new leverage tools geared at increasing its lending capacity on Wednesday, but it still remains to be seen where the additional financing will come from for the public-private special purpose vehicles the EFSF intends to use to provide funding to sovereign governments through primary and secondary bond market purchases. That funding could in turn be used to recapitalize European banks that are at risk of crumbling due to their exposure to the region’s shaky credits.

Folks, this is the equivalent of the Captain of the Titanic ordering women and children to the life boats. It reminds me of the Japanese struggling to contain the meltdown of nuclear reactors in the aftermath of the earthquake earlier this year. Europe is in a death spiral. Their economies are stalled and they are not generating enough income to pay the growing public debt.

You want to know how bad things are? I have a close friend. He and his wife live in a home in Washington, DC that was worth $2 million in 2008 before the economic collapse. Their combined income is in excess of $600,000. They have an excellent credit rating (above 750). They are trying to refinance their home and are having trouble finding a lender willing to make the deal. If people like this–folks who have significant financial resources–are running into road blocks trying to get funding, what do you think is happening to folks in debt who have credit scores around 500 or to small businesses with limited cash flow? The credit markets are still frozen.

What is taking place in Europe is going to exacerbate the problem of getting credit. This is not going to make money more available to aspiring consumers. Don’t buy into the hype about the “soaring” stock market. It is a temporary surge. Until the fundamental problems of government debt and economic stagnation are solved, the crisis will continue to spread.

  • Anonymous

    I think that in the next 180 days we will find out exactly how deep the hole really is…..

    Buckle up … we are in for one hell of a ride…

    • William L. Donlon

      Popsmoke:

      You Will Know By The End Of February.

      There Have Been Seven Of These ER Crisis Since Greece First Surfaced.

      Each Time The Can Got Kicked.

      Each Time The Crisis Got Bigger

      Each Time The Time Between events —

      Got Shorter By About Half.

      The Next Event Will Be Dec. 9th —

      Just 10 Days

      When It Comes To A Dot In Time —

      It Will Be 2008 x 1,000

      • Anonymous

        Okay William–Dec. 9th–I’m marking it on my calendar….

        • elaine

          He ain’t tellin’

          • Anonymous

            Nope–if he told and we acted on the info, we’d be guilty of “insider trading,” and unless you’re a member of Congress, that can get you in serious hot water….

        • William L. Donlon

          00wawa:

          I Think Dec. 9th Will Be A Day Of Reckoning  Because —

          Both The ECB And The FED Have Set Interest Rates That The Market Is Unwilling To Accept And–

          Credit Is At A Stand Still.— Especially In Europe

          The ECB Policy Makers Next Meet Dec 8th And —

          The Fed Officials Gather On Dec. 13th.

          Both Have Set Interest Benchmarks That Are Out Of Sink With The Markets.

          The ECB Unexpectedly Cut Its Benchmark Interest Rate Nov. 3ed by 25 Basis Points To 1.25 Percent

          Why?? —Because The Turmoil On Nov 3ed Was Considered Threatening Enough That It Could Drag The Euro Into Recession, So —

          ECB Lowered It’s Rates. — BUT—

          Italy Has Met 7.5% Twice In Just Three Business Days, And — 

          Germany Met Higher Than Expected Rates Last Wednesday.

          The ECB Rates And The FED’s Low Rates Are Both Under Attack As Unrealistic.

          The Money From Lending Institutions Has Dried Up At These Low Rates —-

          Both The ECB & The FED Face Two Choices

          Stay At These Low Rates, Which The Market Is Already Rejecting, And Freeze Up Credit.

          Raise Rates And Inflation In A Time Of Recession.

          The Beginning Of The End Was Actually Last Wed. Fri. And This Tuesday When The Market Charged Germany & Italy What They Did For Their Debt.

          The United States Is Next.

          Each 1% Rise On Our Debt Will Cost 150 Billion Extra In Interest.

          • Anonymous

            Buckle up

      • Anonymous

        I think we will get a very bad kick in about 60 to 90 days. But the full force? 180 days for the effect to take its grip and for people to finally get the picture….

        Now Congress has has passed laws that will actually fix some of the budgetary problems….as long as we allow those laws to take effect…..AS LONG AS WE ALLOW THOSE LAWS TO TAKE EFFECT….

        Of course that is not going to happen and Congress both Democrats and Republicans and the White House will screw around and make matters even worse…..

        2012 is going to be a very interesting year…. Be prepared….

        • Wbboe

          I like that line Popsmoke–even though I have not the foggiest idea what it means: be prepared.  It is right up there with Miss Kitty: be careful Matt. Or the terrorist code has been raised from purple to orange OMG.  This leaves only one question unanswered (oh maybe a few more).  What exactly should we do.  Get out of stock.  And go to gold?  Get a gun with 5 years of ammunition? Move to Montana? Any thoughts on that subject. More specifically, what survival plan do you recommend.  This is not a rhetorical question, or a sarcastic one.  It has crossed the minds of millions of people. I had dinner with a friend of mine last night who is moving out of the country, selling everything and moving to a slum area in South America for a last tango in Paris and to get way from all this. If that does not work out then he plans to move north into Guatemala on the beaches.  He can live well down there on his social security, but then of course Obama is pushing that tax holliday and that snake McConnell is backing it because it will destroy social security.  It is hard to know what to do.  His answer is I am too old to worry about it.  I will just go with the flow.  For many of us, especially those with children that is not a satisfactory answer. Nor is the whimsical reassurance handed down from on high by botox Nan Pelosi: just think how much worse things would be in the world if we did not have Obama. She was speaking here of a fate worse than death.  And to think that my friend the arbitrator knew Ms Pelosi quite well actually before she was a virgin.

          • Anonymous

            Yes, be prepared means… exactly that! To ones own means that is…

            Try for example…monitor very closely all investments. Do not just take your brokers word for anything. You must be in the drivers seat. Money? Always have cash ready. How much depends on your financial position, but every penny means something. .. Food? Well I do not believe in the 2012 conspiracies. But monitor food and fuel prices every day. Shop and buy smartly…. Credit Cards… Have at least one with a zero balance for emergency use. Ammo and guns? Always…

            Be prepared means – have an emergency plan ..a emergency financial plan and follow it….

      • elaine

        OK, William L. Donlon, I give up. What is suppose to happen on December 9? I thought the blast off date in the Mayan calendar wasn’t until Dec 21, 2012

        • William L. Donlon

           Elaine:
          OMG!  I Never Made The Mayan Connection, But —

          EU Leaders Are Scheduled To Meet Again In 9 Days — To Do What??

          NOTHING They (Including The Fed On Tues. Night) Have Done So Far—

          Has Anything To Do With Solving The Over All EU Problem.

          You Heard About TARP? 750 Billion??
          Solved The Sub – Prime Crisis Of 2008-09??

          WELL —– How About $7.77 Trillion Paulson & The Fed Spent In 2008 – 09 And —

          Didn’t Tell– Congress About.

          We Are Just Finding Out About It, Thanks To “Bloomburg” Going Through and digging It Out Of 29,000 Pages Of Data Dumping By The FED.

          What Else Don’t We Know About??

          Yesterday The Stock Market Rose 4%

          After A Fed Action In Sept. 2008 The Market Rose 6%.

          It’s Meaningless!!

          It’s Just The Market’s Investment Logarithms. Reacting To A News Cycle.

          On Dec. 9th The EU Leaders Will Attempt To Come To Grips With Their Debt Problem For The Eighth Time

          Our Banks & Lending Institutions Are On The Hook For — Over $100 Trillion — Credit Default Swaps.

          At Some Point This All Blows Up!!

          Elaine — The Mayans Just Might Have It Right.

  • FrenchNail

    It’s the Normalcy Bias. Because the threat is not there, People tends to beleive it is not going to happen.

    BUT it is going to happen. And it is going to be BAD. Not bad like business is hard, yet thing are still going. BAD as in People starving. May be not here in the States, or at least not everywhere, but in other less developped countries. Here we will see lines for soup kitchen, poverty like in the 20′s and on and on.

    “They” have lost control. The reaction of the Stock Market is counterintuitive. It is proof that the Stock Market is now completely virtual. It is the playground for few young managers who have never produced anything in their life and have no knowledge or regards for the real world. And their masters have lost control.
     
    C’est un bateau ivre. Sooner rather than later it will capsized. Hopefully we will have another “Normal” Xmas. But it will probably be the last one for years.

  • Anonymous

    And so the Dow jumps 490 points in one day.  Could be it jumps another 300 points tomorrow.  Or it might go down 5 or 600 points.  This kind of volatility is just plain nuts.  From day to day, who knows what to expect?  The huge jump today is not a sign that things are getting better;  the extreme volatility is a symptom of an unstable and diseased world financial organism.

    • Anonymous

      I thought so too oowawa. The volitility is what frightens me the most.

    • Helen

      And if you look at financial charts of most stocks and mutual funds over the last 5 years you will see the same balloon in prices as just before the crash in 2008.  Look closely and   
      see the same pattern of volatility just before it hit bottom.  There is nothing to support the high prices.  The market is being run by computers and the algorithms fed into them by Ph.D. physicists.

  • Anonymous

    Borrowing and spending.  Then spending and borrowing.
    This couldn’t go on forever.

    If you read zerohedge or mish shedlock, you know we are in deep, worldwide shit.

    But I’m sure most people are more concerned with who won Dancing With the Stars or who will be the next person kicked off Survivor.

    I hope everyone here has stocked up on food.  This things gonna blow any week now. 

    • Anonymous

      ZeroHedge explains it far better than I could.  If I understand correctly, traders today used the same tactics that Soros used when making billions off of currency collapses. 
      Europe is imploding, and yet the Obama team wants to emulate them.  Simply astonishing. 

  • HELENK
  • Anonymous

    Europe is also, for the left, their socialist Fantasyland where everyone has great health care, great wages, all the jobs anybody wants, and the welfare state makes sure everyone is healthy and happy.

    Reporting on what’s happening in Europe ruins that fantasy.

    • Docelder

      Yes, Obama is the left’s spokesperson for how great Europe is… even as the left pushes us to abandon capitalism and embrace European socialism. Even as that model is failing… and it might well be Cloward-Piven type of staged events that has caused it to fail… overwhelming immigration of under skilled and socially needy people to socialistic economies for just one example. The sad truth is… a world where everybody just takes what they need from people who have more than they need will look a lot more like Mad Max than anything resembling any Utopia. Plant a garden folks. It is now 1930 all over again… courtesy of the left and their golfing pitchman.

  • Anonymous

    Perfect example of how nobody cares about this, Larry:
    Notice your lack of comments.
    Apparently,Herman Cain is more important to your readers than  the economic stability of the world.
    Pathetic.

    • Anonymous

      Tam – I thought the lack of comments was telling also!!

      • Anonymous

        It isn’t lack of interest, it’s lack of knowing and understanding what is going on and what any solution might be. Many of us simply don’t know what to say. Or think.

        Then you have people snarling and swearing at one another for simply posting their opinion. Why subject yourself to insults and name-calling from people who think they have all the answers.

        • Anonymous

          I hear you Kenosha.  

          I just remember all the great financial posts here by Larry Doyle of Sense on Cents and others that got so few comment.  I just thought no one want to talk about it.  Didn’t realize it was because people were name-calling, etc in comments.

          • Anonymous

            If you are trying to understand issues and don’t want to appear a fool sometimes, some of us, just read and click where we “like” a comment  and move along.

            Opinionated nitwits, who always know everything about everything pounce on anyone that doesn’t agree with them and tend to get vicious. On issues that I think I know something about I’m willing to jump into the cesspool. On ones that I am not, I’m not.

            One thing I do know is that I ignore anything these nasty critters have to say. If they don’t even have the basic decency to respond with some degree of civility on an issue that has the best minds befuddled then they have nothing to offer. At least not to me.

            I’m willing to fight and name call with the best of them if I am confident enough of my position and my facts. On the economy, not so much. Plus mostly I’m not interested in interaction with people I don’t “like”. And there are a few who have shown up recently I don’t “like’ at all.

        • Anonymous

          right on.

        • Anonymous

          I have relatives who live near Kenosha, Marge.  You’re a smart woman.
          Arm yourself with knowledge.
          Here are two sites to follow every day. 
          http://www.zerohedge.com/
          http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/

          • Anonymous

            I try Tam. I’m learning. I just don’t know enough. I do know enough to know that finger-pointing doesn’t solve anything and that is all the political scum cares about. There is more than enough blame to go around.

            Fortunately for the scum we elected to sit in the capital of our country and represent us they have succeeded in dividing us so that they escape as we snap and snarl at each other. THEY are the enemy. Those pompous, talking-point talking, corrupt POS in Washington D.C. Plus their aiders and abetters in the equally corrupt media.

            Wall Street and Banksters are also part of the problem. One I don’t ever expect the corrupt fools in government to do much about because those are the sugar daddies/mommies that fund their elections/re-elections so that they can screw us some more.

            While we fight and swear at each other, those scumbags are laughing at how well their divide and conquer has worked. At times I simply despair.

    • FrenchNail

      Tam,

      I beleive it is not that the other readers have nothing to say, it is that they do not know what to say.

      My friends have asked me for months: “what’s gonna happen?”

      My answer is that I do not know what’s gonna happen, I just know it is going to happen.

      There is a multitude of pressure points to the situation. I picture it like those cartoons where the character starts blowing and blowing. His suit is getting too small streched to the max, and you know that eventually someting is going to give. Will it be the buttons or the seams? If so where…..

      The very scray part is that NOBODY knows what the day after will be and the days and weeks following. It is just going to be very uncertain.

      The containgency plans from corporate or governements are completely speculative at this point.

      I am looking at the primary season with very detached emotions because there are as many chances the elections are going to take place that they are not (IMO). By then, we might be at war, or under martial law. Or the popular candidate might be from the military. Who knows…

      PS: LIttle known fact: All the euros are not equal. All the Europe nations have the right to print euros and in doing so are leaving a mark of origin on the notes. For years already, German businesses have not accepted “foreign” euros or have turn them over as fast as they could.

      • Anonymous

        Yes–these economic shenanigans perpetrated by the Fed and other world banks are so complex that it is difficult to voice an informed opinion.   In fact, they depend on average joes being completely befuddled by the inscrutability of it all…..

        • Anonymous

          mine was numb to begin with.

      • Anonymous
    • murray

      …Can’t think of one witty comment as I watch these “economic towers” fall, all ablaze.

      Not caring has nothing to do with it.  More of a helpless bystander, “Can’t somebody DO something?”

  • Anonymous

    Glad you wrote about this Larry!!  This is going to be so UGLY.  

    And amazingly there is going to be too many people who will claim to be SHOCKED when everything falls apart.  They have strapped those blinders on pretty tight. 

  • Wbboe

    This will give Barack an incentive to problem solve? NFW.  It will give him an incentive to turn off that cell phone—and campaign until he drops–as in shop until you drop.  He has higher priorities, you see, than saving the country.  As Pelosi would say thing how much worse things would be if he were not the president.

    • Ptab01

      POTUS is praying for this to pop – he wants the example of a civilization in chaos He sees himself as the person who stick his finger in the dike (yikes-no wonder his buddy Love split!) He envisions being the hero

      • Anonymous

        He envisions being PRAISED as the hero.  Actually being the hero might involve something tedious, like effort and work….

      • Wbboe

        I aim for the stars and I end up hitting London–Werner Von Braun.

  • Mandelay

    Larry, very sobering post and on target.  A good way to show this as a “tangible threat” is to do exactly what you did here with the info about your seemingly well-off friends who, even with their resources, cannot get the funding they need for the “everyday” transaction of refinancing their home.  Hoping more people read what you’ve shared and spread the word.  I talk with my friends but I get answers like “Why doesn’t Congress pass the Jobs Bill?” as if that would make a difference.  There is a profound lack of understanding regarding these issues.  Sometimes I think people are afraid of their own ignorance.  How many can say they’ve even thought about making a contingency plan for their family? What you knowingly refer to as “… the fundamental problems of government debt and economic stagnation…” have produced a fearful paralysis in many minds.  When you have fear as the overwhelming reaction to serious problems, nothing gets done.  

  • http://www.alexlogic.com AlessandroMachi

    The only reason the world’s economies are failing is because of interest charged on existing debt. The cumulative affect of never having a payment deducted in full has a cascading effect on everybody.

    As long as people agreed to pay down their debts in exchange for a SEVERE reduction in all interest rate charges, the world’s economy would be in no danger.

    So repeating the economists BS helps solidify it’s menace.  Too many henny pennies, not enough people standing up to the interest rate BS.

    Justifiable debt restructure is what the world needs right now.

    • Anonymous

      Bullshit.
      Stop borrowing money to pay for things you can’t afford.

      Justifiable US restructure is what Obama wants. 
      It’s called communism, and it doesn’t work. 
      Been tried.
      People died. 

      • http://www.alexlogic.com AlessandroMachi

        You’re just a dumb ass who only knows how to say bullshit. I’ll up your challenge, DON’T WORK for a company that accepts credit cards.

        • Anonymous

          I’ve read your comments.  Go look in the mirror to see a dumb fuck.

          And this isn’t a PUMA sight.  There are people with all sorts of opinions here.  You want a PUMA site, then go fucking find one.
          Asshole.

      • http://www.alexlogic.com AlessandroMachi

        You’re just a dumb ass who only knows how to say bullshit. I’ll up your challenge, DON’T WORK for a company that accepts credit cards.

    • elaine

      Alessandro, What about all the bond holders?  Are they just suppose to take a massive haircut? Many pension funds invest in bonds. There are no easy answers.

      • Wwwild

         Yes! They should most definitely take a haircut – whether that’s some rich fat-cat or you and I represented by a fund.  That they have not been willing to and the govt./PTB have enabled them not to is why we’re in this mess, IMO.  There is no free lunch.  There is no way to hedge risk to zero.  The lies (e.g. property always goes up, etc.) should have been believed and to those who did believe, tough luck, you’re fools – that’s what life is all about.

        www

        • Wwwild

          “should have been believed” should have been “should NOT have been believed.

          Sorry,
          www
           

    • Anonymous

      The reason the world economies are failing is because of debt which is a direct result of governments trying to control too much. Entitlements do not equate to freedom and liberty – in fact they are the denial of that.

      This is not just a matter of the interest on debt – it is the debt itself and why they exists to begin with.

  • Wbboe

    Europe is bleeding to death economically and the average American is oblivious to the crisis. Yesterday, while Europe teetered on the precipice of economic chaos, all of the US cable channels as well as the BBC were riveted on the judge’s ruling in the case of Michael Jackson’s doctor. I shit you not.
    —————————————————
    “Already long ago, from when we sold
    our vote to no man, the people have abdicated their duties; for the People who
    once upon a time handed out high civic office, military command, Roman
    legions-everything, now restrains itself and hopes for just two things: bread
    and circuses.” (Satire X by the Roman Poet Juvenal, 1st Century
    A.D.).

  • Ptab01

    I have been watching it roil and bubble for years now (thank you Mr. Batchelor!) I just do not see what else one can do but wait for it to finally overflow the caldron.

    The News networks do not know what to do w/ it at all repeat scenes of rioting in Greece and jabber away? They need moving pictures not persons in debate in parliaments across the globe …

     Even the Coptic Christians are getting more coverage (And Nobody gives a rats ass about them)

    • Anonymous

      Yes, but the Greek riot productions have something special–a photogenic dog who’s always in the middle of every scene!  That’s entertainment!  Person’s in debate?  Boring!

  • elaine

    Larry, Lenders are in the biz of getting a return on their money, your friends with the once worth 2 million dollar house, sound like they’re  looking for a mortgage modification & would also like a lower rate. How does a new lender make $ on that deal?  Doesn’t the new lender have to pay off the initial lender? The profit margin is too narrow to justify the risk. The only way they’re apt to get what they want is to threaghten their current lender with, “Gimme what I want or I’ll walk away.”

    Also I know several low income folks who have gotten lower rates & some who have gotten both lower rates & a big chunk of change knocked off the principle because the lenders didn’t want to take a total loss when the buyers threaghtened to walk away in a depreciating market.

    There’re 7 million surplus houses in the U.S. thanks in great part to the irrational over building, or was it irrational? Actually the out of control building, the cheap credit,  the outsourcing of jobs, tolerance of illegal immigration, foreign nation building, putting the taxpayers on the dime for 90% of all mortgages could just as easily been intentional. Come on, think like a leftist for a minute: if you wanted to install a global democracy (which ofcourse would really be a plutocracy) how would you go about it?

     The clowns who over saw this scheme were smart, perhaps their real genius was as old as any flim fam game known to man, they baited their trap with greed as house flipping became the national industry. Now let’s get down to the serious biz of cutting MediCare so we can float trillions to the EuroZone bankers

    • http://www.alexlogic.com AlessandroMachi

      Or the government and the fed could go back to the boring stuff like being the actual financial backers of home mortgages, instead of having wall street continue to supply their UNNEEDED money.

    • guest

      “Larry, Lenders are in the biz of getting a return on their money, your
      friends with the once worth 2 million dollar house, sound like they’re 
      looking for a mortgage modification & would also like a lower rate.
      How does a new lender make $ on that deal? ”
      ***********
      I went looking for a mortgage about 8 months ago, no one interested.  I checked with 5 banks, both local and national, and I had accounts at three of those banks.  One bank said if I insisted they could put together something for me and see if they could sell it on the mortgage market.

      I was a good risk, with 750 score; I paid cash for the house so I wasn’t a big risk for the lender. 

      • http://www.alexlogic.com AlessandroMachi

        The HAMP program should have gotten Obama impeached. Using taxpayer money to lure homeowners into a program that requires they first DEFAULT on their mortgage payments before they can even APPLY for HAMP is in my opinion a federal hobbs violation, taking property under the color of right.

        • Anonymous

          Seriously, I know 2 people who did exactly that. They intentionally defaulted on their mortgage in order to qualify for HAMP.

  • BINKY

    I wish I understood better just what to do…Should I cash in my I-Bonds and Savings Bonds and hide the money under the bed or what.  It’s too late to buy gold.  I wouldn’t get much.  My Geo Prism and my billfold were stolen early Sunday morning, and not much hope of getting them back.  I think it must be lock and load time.

    • murray

      Sorry to hear about that, BINKY.  Been there, done that…
      remember,
      “Baby Steps.”

    • murray

      Sorry to hear about that, BINKY.  Been there, done that…
      remember,
      “Baby Steps.”

    • Anonymous

      That’s some kind of luck you’ve got going there Binky with a two-fer.   Seriously– sorry about the theft.  Hang in there.  

    • Anonymous

      Sorry to here that Binky. I hope your identity is not at risk.

    • Helen

      Oh Binky how awful.  I’ve had those days but my thefts came from corporations, health care providers, and insurers.
      I almost laughed out loud at the poor soul who stole meter change from my unlocked car.  Did he not know there are bigger pickings elsewhere?  But it hurts – I’m sorry you got stung.

    • http://www.alexlogic.com AlessandroMachi

      Don’t the newer cars have GPS in them that we don’t know about?

  • cookiegramma

    Lack of comments, perhaps; but I do think that people are far too concerned about the situation here at home to pay much attention to problems with the euro. I have been watching people and what I see is real fear. No one knows which company will announce layoffs next and for two years now I have seen houses just sit for sale. I hear all the hype about the black Friday spending, but I was out there and it was just for sale items. It was frightening actually seeing people tear through a store looking for the bargain items like it was the Filene’s basement wedding gown sale.
     From what I have seen and heard people here think that Europe is too far away to bring the economy here down, and the media ignoring the situation is not helping. My own family has discussed the situation and sees many parallels to circumstances in history, WWII and the Great Depression to start with. Sadly we are not entirely convinced that what is happening now is not related to the resolutions of the past. Do we blame the current residents of the white House and capitol Hill, yes we do. They have been short sighted and failed the very people they claim to represent. Most of our representatives in both the Senate and the house are so busy playing politics as usual in an election year that there is little time to confront and solve the very real problems festering in the homeland. Someone down thread mentioned that we might see breadlines in Europe, I read about those same lines already over here. In Dade County Florida the line for holiday food vouchers from the Latino  community served three thousand families this week and could have served double that had the food been available. Times are tough and Yes I am scared, but I know that my grandparents made it through the great depression so I can do the same.

    • FrenchNail

      I meant bread lines everywhere in the world, I you’re lucky to be in a place where there is bread to give out in the first place. I do not spare the US in this situation. I am so glad I left harsh climate and big cities. I remember very well the difference of war experiences my family members had depending on their location. The ones in the south and small towns faired much better.

      It is a domino effect. Wherever the first blow is does not matter. We are all interconnected. 

      The Italian debt is mainly garanteed by the French Banks which are mainly kept in business by TARP (Us taxpayers) money and now the US Feds loans, which in turn are coming from loans from China. And that’s only one tread of this spider web. China is in BIG DOODOO. Their stats are all made up. The reality is far far worse. They cannot afford to have their loans not fully repaid. They would collapse otherwise and they have no social safety net for its population.

      Everybody is talking about the social/political situation of the Middle East but their financial position is also very troubling. Their elite has not taken advantage of the historical and unprecedented transfer of wealth they experienced over the past 50 years to create sustainable industries. They are mainly relying on tourism which is now completely devastated and oil which is very sensitive to social unrest. ( attacks on pipelines, strikes in ports, at sea attacks on tankers, lower demand etc.). Therefore all their money has been invested internationaly and is at much at risk as any.

  • Alice Wolf

    Just as a matter of interest, with what collateral is the FED offering cheap dollars?   From what I gleaned from reading the announcement they put out, the FED is issuing the dollars and the other banks are going to use them.  More dollars leaving the United States?   No wonder your friends are finding it hard to refinance their home.  It might be easier for them if they lived in a country that the FED is pouring funds into, on whose behalf?   We suddenly are responsible for the failure of the EU?   No wonder the storm troopers have been released to arrest and pepper spray and generally harrass the OWS crowd.   The moment they found a collective voice, and demanded that the Glass Steagall standard be reinstated as an integral part of the reformation of the banking system, I kid you not, this was a fact published by Naomi Wolf not a relation of mine, but a kindred spirit, in her recent article regarding the OWS ……….mountains of money was suddenly produced to shut the protesters up.   Take away their right to peacefully demonstrate etc etc.   How much money was magicked up by supposedly bankrupted states and cities to bankoll these forces.
    Some of them were sent by Janet Napolitano supposedly, a sort of police come military army that she has at her disposal to reinforce local policemen and women.   This mad propping up of staggering on their last legs oligarchs banking institutions is not at all convincing as being something that is important.  The monetarist system is hopelessly bankrupt.   The whole daylight robbery that is going on right under our noses could be halted by passing the RETURN TO PRUDENT BANKING ACT HR 1489, to reinstate Glass Steagall.
    The bailouts would be delegitimized, the fraudulent derivative gambling debts would not longer be collectible from taxpayers and the crooked banking cartels would have to pay the piper themselves.
    We here in the US still have the right to have Congress utter Credit under Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution.   We need to break away from the fast sinking EU and get on with the Great Pacific Alliance with Russia and China who are interested in creating a future for their people and generations to come.   Medyedev made a beautiful speech saying that he is taking steps to prevent being attacked by NATO via Syrai and Iran but that he is still hoping to make an alliance with the US and is asking for dialogue with US leadership.  They are just not responding, we need to insist that unless the Obama Administration starts talking turkey that we need another set of leaders who will speak up for the United States and stop this crazy funding of foreign entities who will do exactly what??????????????    Bankroll World War Three perhaps??????????  

    • Anonymous

      Bring back the regulators and enforcement/prosecutions and stop deregulating the financial industry… They have proven that they cannot and will not conduct themselves honorably. Time to drop the hammer…..

      • Wbboe

        Yup. Time to drop the hammer alright.

        • Wbboe

          There is a tribal need for blood letting. By not prosecuting the people who caused this debacle–the politicians, the Ivy League Professors whose action take them past toe business judgment defense, Goldman Sacks and possibly the head of General Electric, the pent up demand for it grows and grows.  There is an interesting video called Inside Job which lays the whole thing out, and it is billed as the documentary that cost 10 trillion dollars to make.  By not prosecuting these people Holder is protecting them–so they can protect their golden calf Obama.  If the Hitler juegen only knew the truth that he is not really their golden calf but the golden calf of the oligarchs their heads would explode.  Gingrich is the only one who is capable of blowing the lid off this whole corrupt systemm and it needs to happen.  And it starts with vigorous Gulilani style prosecutions. Now.

      • Anonymous

        Yup

  • CentralMass

    Our own gross debt to GDP ratio is at 100%. Since 2000, revenue as a share of the GDP has dropped from 38% to 30%.
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/corporate-profits-share-of-pie-most-in-60-years-2011-07-29
    while:
    “According to the latest data, profits of U.S. corporations are at record
    levels even as the U.S. economy gasps for air. Profits have been
    totally divorced from the economic fortunes of the American people”
    “Corporate profits now account for the largest share of gross domestic
    product since 1950 — 12.6%. Wages and salaries account for the smallest share of GDP since 1955 — 54.9%”

    • Wbboe

      There are some simple fixes starting off with tax reform. Simple on paper but politically contentious.  This issue came up recently in the board room of a guy I know.  He wanted to build new factories in this country but his accountants showed him that by building them in Poland he could keep more of his money.  For every 10 million profit he could keep 9 million if they were domiciled in Poland and only 6 million if those factories were domiciled here, and could still sell those products in the United States.  He said Imelt–whom he knows as a competitor is known among his competitors to be a “lying cocksucker”, but on this narrow issue he contended that Imelt is merely responding rationally to tax driven business incentives and constraints.  To do otherwise would breach his duty to shareholders and would open him up to a shareholder derivative suit. The bottom line is the tax law must change, but Obama refuses to do so.  Again, he is protecting his cronies and the interests of his constitutents are sacrificed on the funeral pyre of his own sociopathic ambitions.  He is the enemy of the American People.  When Tina Brown says on msmbc that he is too professorial she is ignorant as a swan.  She may be lying but I do not think so.  I doubt she sees the dark mover behind the scenes who is controlling this thing. And what she does not realize as long as she and her ilk continue to temporize the risk that the whole thing will fall apart, in which case like Willie Sutton politicians will go where the money is. Therefore, from the standpoint of heroic self interest it behooves her to come to a more realistic assessment of Obama. But she and her east coast elite ilk will not do this until they realize that they too are at risk.  Only then will the ground move too little and too late.

  • DM

    Larry, I went to bed last night (Tuesday 11/29) almost at 12 pm PST, and it was clear that we were very close to a credit freeze.  The Fed didn’t have to work hard to convince other central bankers to flood the system with dollars to keep the financial system from collapsing.  That much is clear to me, but I although the banks were saved this morning, I don’t believe it’s going to do the job.  Big banks were downgraded by S&P yesterday.  The banks are weak because they are  holding too many assets that are toxic, worthless euro investments, mortgages, etc.  I’m guessing U.S. banks are holding more than a trillion euros in bonds or other commercial papers from European financial institutions. The banks don’t have money to lend. We’re moving into a world with worthless paper currencies. That is frightening.

    • Helen

      I read on a financial site that many US banks have been pulling out of Europe and that’s what is adding to their banking and credit crises.

  • Anonymous

    The media is not all over this because it will dampen the OWS propaganda bullshit that obummers puppeteers are trying to shove down our throats via the media.  They don’t want the average American who lives off soundbites to put two and two together, that socialized government does not work on a grand scale.  You can’t have more people taking out of the system that putting in. God forbid that people actually got a clue about it.  

    So of course this is not going to be on the news 24/7, its not smutty and stupid enough. 

    I was flipping around the other day and messnbc had a headline/newstory of “the GOP vs. the 99%”.  Really? Its now the GOP that is the 1% and everyone else is the struggling class? 
    sickening………….

    • Mgm

      Most of these same European countries are the ones always cited as having cradle-to-grave government programs.  Does anyone know what is happening financially in the Scandinavian countries who also have these programs?     

  • CentralMass

    His predecessor and that congress started that process.

    In 2000, prior to the tax cuts, we were taking in more in revenue then we were spending. By 2004 were were spending >5% more as a share of the GDP then we were taking in in revenue.

     By 2008 that rose to 7%. Unfunded wars and an unfunded medicare prescription drug plan were big contributors.
    $5 trillion was added to debt and the economic sh.t had hit the fan.

  • Anonymous

    Average Americans go about their lives caring for their families and ringing their hands, waiting for the next shoe to drop, as you have pointed out.Small business is the back bone of our country,and we have broken it with thee election of a BOOB.I watched the Reagan Documentary on HBO,I wanted to cry, yes Reagan’s trickle down may have helped the rich, but people had confidence, felt good about our nation again, I almost forgot how that looked and felt like.People don’t want to move forward,they don’t want to hire or expand business because The BOOB in the White House may crush whatever good may come from it.The economic problems translates very simply for me, will there be steak for dinner or not.
    (you can’t spend, what you don’t have) So, till the BOOB stops buying the steak for dinner and puts on his big boy pants this will just get worse.The push is on to cash out and be a party toyet another bailout.I saw today, The BOOB sitting around the big tabletalking to Europe’s finest and smiling for the camera,WHAT A NIGHTMARE!!!!!!

  • http://www.alexlogic.com AlessandroMachi

    Since when did No Quarter become so full of snot faced socialist crying republican wing nuts?

    Another sad state of affairs no doubt evolutionized by No Hillary Clinton as president. I feel like I walked into It’s a wonderful life, only Jimmy Stewart was never born, and Hillary Clinton was never president.  www.dailypuma.com

    And put some links up to PUMA supporting blogs. sheesh.

    • Anonymous

      There are no socialists in the Republican party that I am aware of.

      • http://www.alexlogic.com AlessandroMachi

        “socialist crying” means republicans using the label socialist as a way to blame main street instead of bankers and wall street not and their rampant fraudulent investing schemes.

        • Anonymous

          I wasn’t aware that Main Street were socialists. Imagine that.

          And when you speak about “rampant fraudulent invewtsing schemes” I guess you’re referring to Solyndra and Lightsquared.

          • http://www.alexlogic.com AlessandroMachi

            I’m not an Obama fan.

            • Anonymous

              haaahahahhahhahhahaa!

        • candymarl

          You mean the billions in stimulus money given to corporate  shysters and signed off by both parties?

          I’m still waiting for the additional stimulus money given out by the current administration to produce those millions of jobs.

          Oh wait. GWB did it too and many of us screamed about it then.  Obama does it more, starts more wars than GWB, (oops I mean bombing for democracy) and it’s now a Republican problem alone.

          Obama came into office with a Dem Congress and Senate and things went from bad to worse.

          We can place the blame where it belongs on both sides.  Or we can say screwing up seems to be an equal opportunity employer.

          • Anonymous

            I’m sure that’s who he is speaking of.

          • http://www.alexlogic.com AlessandroMachi

            yeah, I think it’s important to understand that progressive democrats stole the democratic party from the larger moderate liberal crowd.

            I equate progressive democrats with neo-con and evangelical republicans, they are not in the majority but their intensity (aka squeaky wheel) tends to win out in both parties.

            Hillary Clinton I believe was a moderate liberal, Barack Obama is a progressive democrat, there is a huge difference in my opinion.

        • Anonymous

          Yeah, they did the “robbing” under the laws written by Dems like Bawney Fwank.  Mark to market?  Law passed under Clinton.   And on, and on….

          You want to change the banking system and wallstreet?  Then talk to the legislators who messed it up in the first place. 

          And Obama’s number one donor was…drum roll…GOLDMAN SACHS.

    • Anonymous

      The only snot faced socialist commenting on No Quarter is YOU.

      I looked at your website.  You teach film making classes in the valley?  No wonder you hate corporations and banks.  You couldn’t make it as a film maker yourself. 

      And you support the Occupy movement.  Go figure.  The movement is backed by communists….who support Obama.
      I do appreciate on your site that you admit you know nothing about finance.  At least you’re honest on your own site.

      http://www.trevorloudon.com/2011/12/activist-boasts-of-communist-leadership-in-occupy-movement-%E2%80%93-links-to-re-election-of-obama/

      • http://www.alexlogic.com AlessandroMachi

        tamminator, basic internet etiquette is to not accuse somebody of something unless you are using your REAL NAME. So shut the fuck up when it comes to using the word “you” and directing accusations towards another, until you start using a real name.

        As for why I switched from production to teaching, it was because I started taking on responsibilities caretaking for my father and mother several years ago and could no longer book jobs without the possibility of having to break them because of my caretaking responsibilities.

        No why am I having a discussion with a twit who remains anonymous?

        • Anonymous

          I remain anonymous because it’s dickheads like you who would go to every length to try to destroy my life and business.
          That’s why 3/4 of the people who post on the internet are anonymous. 
          We don’t want occupoopers like you showing up on our doorstep threatening us.  Got it?
          Got it? 

          And good for you for taking care of your parents.  From my years working in Hollywood I wouldn’t have expected that from a socialist ass like you. 
           
          I have a little respect for you now.

          • http://www.alexlogic.com AlessandroMachi

            tamminator, you’re the one who used the word YOU when you had no business doing so. If YOU were to use a real name, then make an accusation if you like. If YOU don’t use a real name, then your behavior is no different than a troll if you attempt to label those who do use their real name.

            Maybe nobody has brought this up to you before.

            • Anonymous

              Then bring it up to 3/4 of the people who post on the internet.  I notice that you didn’t counter my claim that you would attack me personally in my life and go after me.
              That’s because you WOULD.

              You idiots love ANONYMOUS for exposing the world’s crimes, but you never ask who they are, do you?

              And I made no “accusations” against you.  I called you out for being the socialist idiot that you are. 

              Who the fuck would take a class from you?  I’m going to call my girlfriend in Studio City to check out your classes  to see if you are  legit.

              See?  That’s what happens when you post your real name, you moron.

              • http://www.alexlogic.com AlessandroMachi

                I didn’t respond to your accusation because it’s not about you, it’s about you labeling someone else who is using their real name when you are not.

                Normally I don’t fly off the handle so quickly however you did a two striker, you didn’t use your real name while using the word “you” to make an unsubstantiated claim about someone who was using a real name, and you used the boiler plate argument about people shouldn’t borrow if they can’t pay it back.

                The response to your point is, don’t take a job with any company that accepts credit card payments. If you can meet that standard, and use your real name, go ahead and insult someone else to your hearts content.

                You apparently don’t use your name out of fear of reprisal, but then you take advantage of that position by apparently not realizing when you give a bullying, accusatory response to others.

                • Anonymous

                  I just don’t want a loser like you to show up at my house and shit on my lawn, piss on my property(which you fucking commies want to steal) and act like the prick that you are representing on this site. 
                  Hell, I’ll take an ad out in the Hollywood Reporter to tell the world that you are the biggest prick of a teacher on this earth, and that you couldn’t  teach a video class if it killed you.  Do you like them apples?  Cuz THAT is why I don’t post my name. YOU, on the otherhand, are a dumbass who DOES. 
                  Good luck with your business, idiot.

                • Anonymous

                  By the way twinkles, how do I refer to you other than “YOU”.
                  You are so stupid that you don’t even know who “YOU” are.
                  Downward twinkles. 

                  • http://www.alexlogic.com AlessandroMachi

                    I don’t want to repeat what you wrote because I don’t consider it an accurate statement of my life, so instead of making your somewhat cutting remark towards me, the third person would have been proper, as in you feel there are “people” out there who ran up bills irresponsibly.

  • Anonymous

    what do you think is happening to folks in debt who have credit scores
    around 500 or to small businesses with limited cash flow? The credit
    markets are still frozen.

    I know what is happening. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.
    The banks are pretending it is business as usual but they are throwing in little extras – like insisting that they collect the taxes and insurance – that are deep sixing the mortgage deals. And that is exactly what they want.

    Better get used to it everybody – you’re on your own.

  • Anonymous

    I hit the panic button yesterday as our family now joins millions of others who are in crisis mode.
    Our son-in-law lost his job in the banking industry. After eighteen years of being wired to the job 24-7-365 days a year, and some of his innovations being published in trade magazines, he joins the unemployed. He and our daughter have a freshman in college, with the second child due to start next year.
    Last week, my uninsured sister-in-law began a regime of chemotherapy, surgery, more chemotherapy followed by radiation. She did not achieve the five year cure rate.
    Reverend Amy, please add our family to your prayer list. Thank you, and God bless all at NQ during these difficult times! 

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

      Sassy,
      I am so sorry to hear about your family’s rough patch.  We will keep you in our thoughts and wish that the New Year brings your family good health and prosperity.

    • Georgia

      So so sorry to hear of your troubles.   In the season of our Lords birth and his precious gift to mankind, I too shall keep you in my prayers.  Hang tight, keep faith, I know you’ll get through it.  Hugs

    • candymarl

      So sorry Sassy. I’ll pray for you and yours.

    • HELENK

      I will keep you in my prayers.
      My son-in-law who is only 51 was just told he had to make the decision whether or not to undergo another round of chemo or just be kept comfortable.
      My daughter and two granddaughters are devastated but for his sake keep going on. He hopes to make it until my younger granddaughter graduates from high school.

      • Anonymous

        Thank you Helen for your kindness. I know that you had written that your son-in-law’s prognosis was not good. I’m so sorry.
        My husband and his sister are close, and their mother died in March. I worry about his stress level, but we have no choice but to face what life brings.

    • Anonymous

      praying for the family Sassy.

    • Anonymous

      Thinking of you and your family and sending positive energy.  

      • Anonymous

        Thanks Linda….where there’s a will, there’s a way. Once we regain our equilibrium, we will formulate a plan.

    • Anonymous

      Prayers…

    • Anonymous

      Keeping you in my prayers too Sassy. Hang in there kiddo.

    • Helen

      You are all in my prayers.  

    • cookiegramma

      So sorry sassy, it sometimes seems like it never rains but it pours. prayers.

    • Anonymous

      I’ll say a prayer for you and your family.  Sorry about the bad news, sassy

    • Anonymous

      Godspeed to you and your family Sassy

  • candymarl

    I’m just numb Mr. Johnson.  It’s not that I don’t care.  I tend to use humor, sometimes very dark humor, to deal with all of this.

    This is one of those rare occasions when I wish you were wrong.  You’re not.  

  • Anonymous

    The crisis in Europe is in the Eurozone countries, controlled by Germany and France. Not all European countries chose to join the single currency Euro. Britain didn’t, and a bunch of others, yet the EU, led by Germany, is insisting that those countries must now contribute financially to preserve a currency they thought was foolish in the beginning.

    Note: “Britain”, not “England”. Even though the central
    bank is the Bank of England, the country is Britain or the UK.

    • Helen

      Actually, I think Germany which has the most stable economy and reasonable debt of all, is refusing to prop up countries like Greece, Italy, and Spain that want Germany and France to prop them up without making their own people do something about their debt.  I’m not so sure Germany and France need the Euro but the rest do.  Those countries can’t get anyone to buy their bonds except at high rates (7% seems to be a magic “no-no”), and recently China or someone used their leverage to keep Italy’s below that magic number –  and our market took off because everything was now OK in Europe. 

      The PIIGS (Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece, Spain) are all like poor relatives wanting a hand-out from their more prudent relatives in France and Germany. But don’t want to do anything about their spending.

  • HELENK

    e banks?http://www.nationalreview.com/exchequer/284557/fed-pursuing-our-interest-or-banks-interests

    whose interest are the Feds pursuing, ours or th

  • HELENK

    http://www.verumserum.com/?p=34691

    we are not going to dig our way out of this hole with socialism

  • HELENK
  • HELENK
  • Wbboe

    A moment of levity. A fond tribute to fat Bill Richardson.  He is so slimy he gives politicians as a whole a bad name.

    1. Mr. Richardson’s political allies gave $250,000 to placate a woman
    who was considering suing the governor in 2007, exposing their alleged
    extramarital affair, according to people familiar with the federal
    probe. They said the woman was a state employee at the time that she
    allegedly became romantically involved with Mr. Richardson around 2004.
    The woman’s identity has not been disclosed, and the type of suit
    considered has not been confirmed.
    Those familiar with the case say
    prosecutors are seeking to prove that the alleged payment to the woman
    was a de facto campaign contribution to Mr. Richardson, intended to
    further his bid for higher office. In that case, the alleged payment
    could have violated federal campaign-finance law if it was not reported
    and did not comply with limits on political donations.

    Former North Carolina Sen. John
    Edwards, also a onetime Democratic candidate for president, has been
    indicted over similar allegations in federal court in North Carolina.
    Prosecutors in that case allege that Mr. Edwards conspired to solicit
    money from political backers to support his mistress and a former aide
    in an effort to keep his affair hidden during the 2008 campaign. He has
    pleaded not guilty and faces trial early next year.

    2.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJEE282OfjA
    (Note: he appears as the loveable cowardly Sergeant Garcia at 14-17 second mark, where he gets a Z carved on his gluttonous belly.  Zorro is his past catching up to him.  He would be an appropriate candidate for the Democrat Party in 2016.

    3.  I saw this Cole Porter revival on Broadway in the late 80s with Patty LuPone.  It could be Richadson’s (and Edwards) theme song.
    http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=anything+goes+utube&mid=359AD861054D742811B2359AD861054D742811B2&view=detail&FORM=VIRE1
     

  • Wbboe

    Obama has the most politicized and judging by Fast and Furious plus  the infamous Voting Rights case, the most corrupt Justice Department in this nation’s history.  Thus, it is ironic that they would convene a grand jury to investigate allegations that fat Bill Richardson (who could not be reached for comment because he is at an environmental conference in Africa) see below. This can only mean that they have decided to throw fat bill under the bus.  Lo siento mucho por el gordo. (See full article in separate comment).

  • Lemonv

    Yes, like fight the public croyinsm as being advocated by Sarah Palin..

  • Lemonv

    Yes, like fight the public croyinsm as being advocated by Sarah Palin..

    • Lemonv

      And we could have a financial breakdown or a depression on 2012 and thus the doomsday sayers might be correct about the end of the world, just in the financial world and not in the physical world..

  • Anonymous

    I think this guy hits the mark.  And this economic mess is NOT going to end well.
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/sdr-same-demented-regime

  • Anonymous

    Another great piece. My question is why do we have no presidential candiate–or sitting president—–who is even publically addressing this coming crisis for our country. Europe today is the US of tomorrow. Where is a leader of substance in a time of  dire need?

    • Tricia

      Jon Huntsman says it every day (and what to do about it).  No one listens.

  • Anonymous

    I heard on the radio that Obama was meeting with the heads of the “EU” to deal with the “problem”. Later they played a clip of BO saying he was not going to use taxpayer money to bail the EU out.

    …so off I go… fat dumb and happy…. thinking that for once BO got it right… (whose the asshole now Teak? DUOH!!!)

    • elaine

      Teakm He doesn’t need to, Bernake is already doing it by putting the FDIC on the hook for 25Trillion of BOA derivatives & ditto for 29Trillion of JPMChase. I’m not being fooled, just don’t know what we can do about it.

  • Anonymous

    So come to find out…. We did back the EU with its bailout with loan guarantees…..This will come back and bit us in the ass….

    Great news from the Fed! Wait, what did it do?

     Banks’ move to help Europe pushes markets up‎ USA Today
    “The Federal Reserve, coordinating with the Bank of England, the European Central Bank (ECB), the Bank of Japan, the Bank of Canada
    and the Swiss national bank, reduced the cost of short-term dollar
    loans to banks, called liquidity swaps, by a half percentage point
    starting Monday”

    • Anonymous

      This was only stave off a complete collapse. These math geniuses can find many ways of pushng the can down the road but at some point there is no more road.

      Like us these countries have far too much debt because they kept taking over too much of their economy. Countries like Greece are going to be going through hell trying to scale back their government as it affects most of their citizens.

      Give Obama a few more years and he will make sure we get to that point as well.

  • http://www.alexlogic.com AlessandroMachi

    For those of you who have to put up with judgemental, finger pointers who blame main street for our current crisis, please read this confession from a Chase Bank executive.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/01/opinion/kristof-a-banker-speaks-with-regret.html?src=ISMR_AP_LO_MST_FB

    • Anonymous

      Yes, that is what was happening in South Florida as well as around the country. But where did it start? Why did banks begin making mortgages like that? What is conveniently left out of the NY TImes piece (no surprisingly) is the whole history of bad mortgages which begin decades before when the federal government created a law that gave activist groups a license to go to court and sue banks for not giving mortgages to people not credit worthy based on their standards. From there there is a long timeline of one event leading to another and to another.

      Had the CRA never been passed I have serious reservations whether banks would have found a need to break their standard lending practices from what they had at the time.

      • elaine

        Hokma, agreed about the CRA tweek that Clinton enacted but I place equal blame on the repeal of Glass-Steagall.

        • http://www.alexlogic.com AlessandroMachi

          Apparently Glass Steagall did not pass on the first vote. It then passed on the second vote by such a huge margin that Bill Clinton could not have vetoed it even if he wanted to.

      • http://www.alexlogic.com AlessandroMachi

        Lets not forget that in the New York Times link I provided directly above the Chase Bank Banker admits that A. the executives got BIGGER BONUSES for sub-prime loans versus regular loans, and B. minorities that qualified for a regular home loan were still hooked into the sub-prime loans.

        Assigning bigger bonuses to sub-prime loans is such egregiously wrong behavior that to then blame people for not paying their bills when they already have one hand tied behind their backs from the inferior loan they were fraudulently placed into is not a rush to judgement I care to partake in.

        • Anonymous

          All put into law by Bawney Fwank. 
          Thanks your Dems for that one.
          I’ll thank idiot GWB for Tarp.

        • Anonymous

          All Obama voters and bunglers, by the way. 
          And now the sainted Messiah is in Hawaii for vacation.
          Rome crumbles, but Obama is gonna get some sun, sun sun!

  • Chandrthemoon

    america and europian country will became a debtor in short time if  they use chines iteam and service which provided in cheap price and cheap  quality. and china become a super power country.

  • Anonymous

    Wow great blog, I was looking for something else on ask but found your site on page 1 so thought I would pay a visit and now have bookmarked.