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Iran Hysteria

The insanity of trying to start a war with Iran continues. The latest appears in the Daily Beast with the headline, U.S., Israel Discuss Triggers for Bombing Iran’s Nuclear Infrastructure:

The Obama administration is trying to assure Israel privately that it would strike Iran militarily if Tehran’s nuclear program crosses certain “red lines”—while attempting to dissuade the Israelis from acting unilaterally. Eli Lake reports exclusively.

When Defense Secretary Leon Panetta opined earlier this month that an Israeli attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities could “consume the Middle East in a confrontation and a conflict that we would regret,” the Israelis went ballistic behind the scenes. Michael Oren, Israel’s ambassador to Washington, lodged a formal diplomatic protest known as a demarche. And the White House was thrust into action, reassuring the Israelis that the administration had its own “red lines” that would trigger military action against Iran, and that there is no need for Jerusalem to act unilaterally.

The only country not eager to go to war is Iran. Ignore the bombastic harangues by Ahmadinejad. The Iranian mullahs and the Revolutionary Guard understand very well that they will be destroyed if they start a war. But that’s not their strategy.

Iran is pursuing nuclear enrichment with the ultimate hope of having the fuel necessary to develop a nuclear weapon, but they are years from acquiring such a weapon. They want a nuke for one reason–it buys them some insurance against being invaded by the United States.

We are acting like a drunk teenager. Most of our political leaders, especially on the Republican side, are insisting that we will go to war to stop Iran from acquiring a nuke. We issue meaningless threats, e.g. “We’re gonna kick their ass.” Sounds good in theory, but when you look at the actual expenses and logistics involved it becomes a daunting mission that could sunder our nation’s economy and offers no firm guarantee of immediate success.

Why is it that we must go to war with Iran who does not yet have a nuke but can co-exist with a nuclear Pakistan? This is just insane. If you compare the terrorism that Iran has sponsored with the terrorism backed by Pakistan, the groups sponsored, funded and protected by Pakistan have killed thousands more Americans than the Iranians. Yet, somehow, we don’t hear politicians lining up to declare that we must stop Pakistan at any cost.

My position on Pakistan is pretty straightforward–leave them to their own devices and forge a close alliance with India. I don’t advocate going to war with Pakistan. Well, if we can live with those salafist assholes in Pakistan, we can certainly find a middle ground with Tehran. The more outside influence and media can infiltrate Iran the more difficulty the mullahs have in staying in power.

There is a smart way to deal with Iran, but going to war with them is not smart.

Iran recognizes that it is in a weak position. We only have to worry what happens if we decide to back Iran into a corner. They may be weak but desperation born of weakness is very dangerous. An unprovoked attack by Israel or the United States almost certainly will spawn a series of retaliatory measures by the Iranians. These will include mining the Persian Gulf, suicide boat attacks on US military ships and oil tankers, terrorist attacks on commercial airliners and attacks on oil fields in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.

Careless threats are not a wise policy. Unfortunately, none of the Republicans (except for Ron Paul) understand this basic point and, with each passing day, neither does Barack Obama.

  • William L. Donlon

    Larry:

     Your “CIA” Take On Something.

    The Drone Downed In Iran Was Intentional.

     It Was “Cheese In A Trap”.

    It Contained A “Virus”.—Etc.

    .

  • Anonymous

    This is why Romney would not be any improvement in the WH…

    Mitt Romney criticizes Ron Paul’s stance on Iran
    http://www.boston.com/Boston/politicalintelligence/2011/12/mitt-romney-criticizes-ron-paul-stance-iran/yiRZHOVELYpmcCUHzpjGGL/index.html

    • Scottymac54

      I’m glad Mitt Romney trusts the government of Israel to determine US foreign policy…

      • Diver857

        I didn’t see Israel mentioned in that link Popsmoke provided. Is it your view that Iran is seeking a nuclear bomb because of Israel or that Israel is concocting this nuclear bomb stuff to take out Iran?

        • Anonymous

          Well I do not know if that is Scotty’s view but it is mine….

          The Ziocon’s have been at the tip of the spear on attacking Iran over the nuclear issue. The politicians are playing this for all its worth. That includes Romney…..

          • Diver857

            So you believe the Jews are pushing the world to go to war against Iran. 

            What would be the harm if Iran had nuclear weapons?

            • Scottymac54

              “So you believe the Jews are pushing the world to go to war against Iran…”

              Absolutely!  Iran poses no threat to America, or American interests.

              The Likudniks want not only Iran, but Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan, as well.

              And the “Spirit of PNAC” is alive and well in the halls of Washington.  Guaranteed we will again see false flag attacks to undermine the strength and discernment of the American public, and they will solidify working-class right-wingers into believing another unjust war will “make them safe”. 

              • Diver857

                Ron Paul once said that to solve the Middle East problem he could see Israel giving back all their land to the Arabs. 

              • Diver857

                Ron Paul once said that to solve the Middle East problem he could see Israel giving back all their land to the Arabs. 

                • http://twitter.com/Juliezzz Juliezzz

                   where do you get this stuff?

                  • Diver857

                    Youtube.

              • Diver857

                Ron Paul has also been very consistent when it comes to Israel and is not in the tank with the Jewish lobby at all. If you go to his book “Liberty Defined” Paul talks about on page 317 for instance about the influence of the Israeli government on America and the “apartheid conditions that Palestinians are subjected to” by Israel. In 2009 Paul was talked to Iranian state TV about the “tragedy of Gaza” and said, “To me, I look at it like a concentration camp, and people [in Gaza] are making homemade bombs, like they are the aggressors?” He made similar comments in an interview in 2010 with Don Imus, calling the flotilla raid “horrible” and again accused Israel of turning the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip into a “concentration camp” by blocking the arrival of humanitarian aid. Paul writes in his “A Foreign Policy of Freedom” that American “dollars and weapons are being used against the Palestinians as the Palestinian territory shrinks and Israel’s occupation expands.” If Ron Paul becomes President Palestinians (including Hamas) will have a strong supporter in the Oval Office.

            • Anonymous

              “What would be the harm if Iran had nuclear weapons?”

              No more, no less than any other nuclear country including North Korea!

            • Anonymous
        • Scottymac54

          Both.

          Iran, IMO, is seeking a nuclear bomb to defend itself against Israeli attack (and I don’t blame them, or any other nation in the region).

          For the better part of twenty years, we have been told that Iran is fifteen minutes away from developing their own.  Against all reason, there are those in America who have elected to buy into this fear tactic, not understanding that we’ve already meddled in Iranian affairs, to their profound detriment.

          We don’t NEED to see Israel mentioned in such a narrative, because they are automatically dictating our foreign policy, through the lobby, the legitimization of Islamophobia as socially acceptable on our shores, and the aftereffects of past endless, failed military adventures, that are repeatedly sugar-coated as noble and righteous victories.

          Initially, I wanted to believe that Romney would adopt a more moderate form of puppetry and at least attempt to lower the rhetoric level, but he appears to be willing to ape Gingrich’s pandering to the lowest Zio-positive denominator.

  • Anonymous

    The Republicans beat the war drums in search of votes. Obama in search of a narrative that shows him a strong leader. He enjoyed his prance on the world stage as the great  Osama killer.

    Meanwhile where are all the smart people who were going to change the attitude in Washington and use diplomacy? I thought that was one of the bragging points of the Dems that got Oblahblah elected in the first place?

    I agree that Ron Paul gets this point. Unfortunately I think it’s about the only point he does get.

    And no matter how many screaming fits and attacks his supporters have against any one that doesn’t support him or think he could win a general election, he will not be the nominee. I’m not a betting woman and I would bet the farm on that!

  • Anonymous

    You have really interesting blog, keep up posting such informative posts!

  • Anonymous

    Meanwhile the House of Suad is saying they can and will replace the Irainian oil.

    I know it isn’t funny in the least but there will be “oil sanctions” against Iran. Obama is dumb enough to start a war without Congressal appoval.
    http://www.moneynews.com/Headline/Gulf-States-Iran-Oil/2011/12/28/id/422301

    I was just stopping NQ, after reading the Irainian chatter …Spot on LJ, but I am seeing BO who is the one being “cornered” as you put it. The Iranians have doing the double edge dance for decades…clueless BO doesn’t know the first step of the dance,  if doesn’t have the look and feel of “pay to play.” Iran is not paying and doesn’t to play either.   

  • Anonymous

    We have to own up, fess up.  We are responsible for allowing this president to remain in office.  Anyone who would promote war with Iran and it’s ramifications, is not sane.  Anyone who would have a bill passed that allows him to detain US citizens for unlimited periods of time with no recourse to a defense of any sort is certainly not acting as the US constitution mandates this country should be governed.  To take away the power of Congress is not constitutional.  To override the Constitutiion and Congress is not what American Presidents are mandated to do.   So, we have no choice, we have to relieve him constitutionally of his authority, invoiking the 25th Amendment Section 4.  This will give us time to catch our breath and reinstate the Glass Steagall Act and the NEED ACT of 2011.   So we can place the too big to fail banks, including the FED and JP MOrgan etc under bankruptcy protection.   We cannot afford another MF Global.  We need to take back the reins and make alliances with Russia and China , first and foremost and then obviously with India as you say.   We cannot allow the murmurs to carry on, the smoke filled rooms housing groups of politicians promoting war with Iran and getting behind NATO attacking Syria.   We were shown up really badly by what happened in Libya, and the murder of Qadaffi was utterly disgraceful, and we should be mourning the fact that we, who are supposed to be civilized, are paying for NATO to carry out barbaric stuff like this.  Whatever happened to “In God we Trust” we are trusting Obama and the drones to get us through.   It’s out of the question, he can’t help himself, he walks around grinning like he thinks it’s funny, but it’s sick humor.

  • http://twitter.com/Juliezzz Juliezzz

    I whole heartily agree!
    I really can’t add much…but this is a interesting perspective to watch

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtELk8S3dhU&feature=player_embedded#!

    • Scottymac54

      For all of the lies we are fed daily about big bad Iran, the fact remains that they haven’t invaded anyone in hundreds of years.

      We are supposedly the mighty superpower and force for good, but can we claim the same?

      • Diver857

        The Iranian regime has not been in power for hundreds of years. But they don’t have to because they are clever enough to use surrogates.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks again, LJ!  I am so sick of sabre rattling.  It’s spoiling the sound of jingle bells and the songs of the season.

    It just boggles my mind that the same people who argue for balancing budgets and living within our means and revitalizingour economy are the same people who feel we should threaten war.  When was the last inexpensive war, and wasn’t much of our current financial recession a result of military spending, not to mention spending for the many contractors in Iraq (of the likes of Haliburton–to name only one)?

    But financial concerns aren’t the most important.  Aren’t we all sick of news of death and destruction?  And that goes for both sides of any conflict.  Our young people deserve to have a future life WITH their families IN their own country, and they don’t deserve to come home from another unnecessary war in body bags or with mental and physical ailments and no job prospects.

    If my memory is correct, the last protest in Iran was bigger and more organized than the one before.  Though that earlier one was staged long enough before to make it hard for our citizens with two-second attention spans to remember, I see a pattern of growing discontent within Iran and from ex-patriot Iranians around the globe.  We’ve meddled enough in their country over the last decades.  I trust them to find a way to change their leadership. 

    Give the protestors a chance to gain strength again for their next attempt.  These are most surely protestors against religious rule.  Don’t make it harder for them to defend their wishes.  Think of how hard it would be to ask for a secular democracy if our secular democracy is bombing them.

    • http://twitter.com/Juliezzz Juliezzz

      Well written truth!

      and…by the way…I prefer the jingle bells as well

  • Jwrjr7394

    Obama wants to pretend that he has a strong foreign policy, no based on appeasement.  Observant, thinking people know better.  Sheeple swallow it “hook, line, and sinker”.

    • Anonymous

      Who cares what Obama “wants”.  It’s time for him to cool off somewhere having been constitutionally relieved of his presidential duties by the invocation of the 25th Amendment Section 4.   He is not in the right frame of mind to lead the Western World, or be commander in chief of our forces.
      It’s so obvious, he is only “himself” when he’s on the golf course, or hanging around with his daughters in his flip flops.
      That is not how we have our presidents, we have them like JFK and FDR who have a vision for the USA and are prepared to get behind the vision.   Doing deals with Ben Bernanke and Tim Geithner to prop up a dead monetary system that is owned by the oligarchs in the City of London , is not visionary, it is genocidal, and guess who is next for the slaughter, us the citizens of the USA.   We are already having the life blood drained out of us by poverty, lack of decent education, rotten healthcare system and brainwashing galore.  Look at what congress is up to under the influence of the Administration.  I rest my case.

  • yttik

    Are we not currently engaged in a covert war with Iran? Or is it Israel that is engaged in all the covertness? Regardless, there are those mysterious bombings that happened, the deaths of some Iranian scientists, the sanctions.

    I disagree with you a bit about this point, Larry, “Most of our political leaders, especially on the Republican side, are
    insisting that we will go to war to stop Iran from acquiring a nuke.” That tough talk was actually first delivered by Hillary Clinton. Republicans have plagiarized her position and distorted it so it now sounds like macho mumble jumble, but her original foreign policy approach was quite good. She spoke about building a security umbrella over Israel, including making it clear that we would take military action should Iran threaten their neighbors. It was a great policy involving peace though strength. She wasn’t coming from a place of fear like, OMG Iran might get nuclear weapons, but rather explaining to them that their future weapons would be rendered impotent because any acts of hostility would guarantee their own annihilation.

    At the time, Obama was waffling around between the very left extreme of sitting down unconditionally with Iran to the very right wing approach of hysterically invading every time we saw a shadow, depending on who he was talking to and what his teleprompter said.

  • Anonymous

    very good read Larry.thanks.

  • Anonymous

    The Bahrain-based U.S. Fifth Fleet said it will not allow Iran to
    disrupt oil shipping through the Strait of Hormuz, Reuters reported
    Wednesday. “The free flow of goods and services through the Strait of
    Hormuz is vital to regional and global prosperity,” said a fleet
    spokesman quoted by Reuters. “Anyone who threatens to disrupt freedom of
    navigation in an international strait is clearly outside the community
    of nations; any disruption will not be tolerated,” the spokesman added.
    Iranian officials have repeatedly said they would close the Strait of
    Hormuz to oil traffic if the U.S. and its Western allies proceed with
    the imposition of sanctions on Iran’s oil industry. The proposed
    sanctions are the result of growing concern among Western nations that
    Iran has been covertly developing nuclear weapons.

    • candymarl

      Now wait a minute. Several years ago Iran already had nukes. Or so we were told.  Then a couple of years ago Iran would have nukes in a matter of months.  Now Iran could have nukes again in a matter of months. Now Iran worked with Al Q on 9-11.  Does any of this sound familiar?  Iran has not declared war on us.  Are they the good guys? No. But Saudi Arabia is also a dictatorship and we’re not talking about overthrowing them.    
      This is insanity on steroids.  When GWB was talking this way and bombing countries many in this country were up in arms. Now? Crickets.  Israel has nukes so I think they’ll be okay.   

      Ah to hell with it. Blow up Iran.  Another undeclared war.  I give up.

      • Anonymous

        War is morally indefensible, especially under thermonuclear shadows.  We need to bank together with Russia and China who have serious intentions to monitor conditions in the Galaxy to make sure that we do all we can to survive the turbulence that is erupting galactically.  Our solar system is in a particularly vulnerable position in the Spur of Orion in the Milky Way Galaxy and we need to be mindful of that.
        The Russians have proposed that we join forces to get a Global Defense Initiative launched to do research that will throw light on the precursors of earthquakes, volcanos, tornados etc.  and warn us of rogue metiorites that might randomly come towards us.
        On Christmas Eve there was a solar emittance of high force that is directly coming towards Earth as we speak.
          We need to concentrate on our survival by developing methods that will include scientific research and put NASA back into business so we can take the steps towards ameliorating the weather conditions in the earth’s atmosphere, like NAWAPA etc, and working towards a better understanding of the North Pole and the Arctic regions which is where the greatest influence from the sun is connecting with our planet.   Check it out.
        It’s a million times a million times more interesting that giving up and throwing in the towel.

        • candymarl

          I suggest we apply sanctions upon the Sun and attack it as its solar flares may disrupt communications and affect our national security. 

          I also suggest we hire a trainer to say “Bad Sun” and smack its nose with newspaper..

          NASA doing Polar research and science stuff is so passe. But I’m a geek and find that sort of thing exciting.  

          Custis! Didn’t I tell you to do somethin’ about the Sun actin’ up?

          I tried to throw in the towel but the ocean threw it back.  Guess I’ll have to keep fightin’.

          Thanks Alicewolf. I needed that kick in the pants!

          • Anonymous

            Sun King?

            • candymarl

              Friends, Americans, countrypeople lend me your Sun. I come to praise the magnetic field for saving our ass. The good that Custis does will live after him cuz I have a cast iron skillet.

              TeakWoodKite you are an honorable person. Please send me your money.

              As I run for office I promise not to start stupid wars or bail out corporations.

              Constitution, constitution, where for art thou constitution?
              Deny stupid politicians and impeach all idiots.

              We few, we happy few, we band of brothers will never deny where we were on election day.

              Damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead.

              For all voters:  Remember when we assume We make an Ass of U and Me. 

              The politicians creed:

              If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance baffle ‘em with bullshit.

              Candymarl,

              Presidential Candidate 

          • Anonymous

            Hi, Sorry you didn’t follow my train of thought. NASA isn’t about to start ice breaking at the North Pole, I don’t know where you got that from, but anyway, yes, the Chinese are manufacturing ice breaker ships so they can navigate the Arctic Ocean. It may be passe, but that’s your opinion, not mine. You are more than entitled to feel that way of course. We can call the Sun as many names as you wish, but unless we decide to take it seriously, and figure out how we can protect ourselves from the effects of solar flares and the like, then we may be toast. That’s probably not geeky enough for you, but it would be more productive for our military to start work on defense of the planet, you know the astronauts were recruited from the American armed forces, and they didn’t do badly. Sarcasm is alright sometimes, but now, because we are in such dire straits, I was hoping that we could become active patriots and stand up for the United States, it’s sovreignty and it’s great creative potential. However, if that’s not up your alley, then who am I to attempt to influence you in any way. Happy New Year………………….

            • candymarl

              I worked for Space Command.  I saw the very first and other space shuttles.  I didn’t mean to diminish your concerns. 

              I understand and support the importance of science.  I apologize for my flippancy. I agree that in these times it may be misplaced..

              • candymarl

                BTW they referred to us as the Space Cadets.  We were very proud of that title.

                • Scottymac54

                  I would be, too.

                  If only our brilliant, forward-thinking government had the same respect for our space program….

              • candymarl

                BTW they referred to us as the Space Cadets.  We were very proud of that title.

              • Anonymous

                Amen my brother.

  • candymarl

    Amen Mr.Johnson. You wrote exactly what I’ve been thinking. The problem is this: How do we stop them?

    • Anonymous

      We need to invoike the 25th Amendment Section 4 to relieve the president constitutionally of his authority.  That would take away the one person who last had a tete a tete with Barak from Israel.   What these two agreed upon, we have not been put in the loop.   We need someone with a steady hand, someone who listens to our Generals from the Pentagon who are telling the administration that attacking Iran and what that would lead to is not a good idea AT ALL.  We don’t need another World War.  We don’t need to fulfill prophesies that say that one third of the world population will be wiped out.  We can stand with God and say we choose life, and life abundant.   We can overcome this plan of the devil to get rid of creative human beings that could be living useful, productive, creative lives and creating a beautiful future for their children and their children’s children.
      What on earth is up with protecting The Market?  The market is just what the oligarchs do to keep us all from existing.
      We need to have impeachment articles drawn up right away for the people behind Fast and Furious, or who are responsible for this, and stop the discussions of war with Iran and Syria.  Ron Paul is right when it comes to his opinion on war.  War is not productive, and it is obsolete as a concept.
      Nuclear and thermonuclear weapons make it morally indefensible to wage war, or World War.   It is blasphemy.

      • FrenchNail

        As usual Alice, you come with some very interesting points of view. I do not necessarily agree with all of them, but they are usefull addition to the debate.

        • Anonymous

          Thanks, always open for new ideas. I’m loving the thought of putting war in the “never again” file to be able to press ahead, using out military to rebuild our country, the Army corps of engineers etc, and to forge ahead with colonizing space. The Russians are planning to build a whole town in the Arctic regions that will employ the same technology as the space station. They will be building a huge dome that will cover the entire city, and there will be dwelling places, a cathedral, stores, a museum parks and everything people need in a city. That will prepare us for building cities on the Moon or other planets, and the technology we will have to use to get NAWAPA built, which will entail in some cases to have to lift huge bodies of water up 2500 feet, to higher levels. This water will if the land is irrigated, and as well as growing green leafy vegetables, we plant green leafy trees, will more than double the amount of water brought to the land in rainfall. This is turn will lower the overall temperature of the regions irrigated for agriculture by about 2 degrees. That is why it would be good to irrigate the Sahara, because the hot winds that blow from there across the Atlantic, pick up speed and start swirling and turn into things like Katrina. So we can work with God to improve the conditions we live in on this planet, and increase our productivity and energy flux density sources, so that we can overcome the weather patterns which are so hostile at present. Not try to make another bubble out of it, and go extinct with the carbon credits choking the oligarchs as they croak. Happy new year everybody.

        • Anonymous

          Thanks, always open for new ideas. I’m loving the thought of putting war in the “never again” file to be able to press ahead, using out military to rebuild our country, the Army corps of engineers etc, and to forge ahead with colonizing space. The Russians are planning to build a whole town in the Arctic regions that will employ the same technology as the space station. They will be building a huge dome that will cover the entire city, and there will be dwelling places, a cathedral, stores, a museum parks and everything people need in a city. That will prepare us for building cities on the Moon or other planets, and the technology we will have to use to get NAWAPA built, which will entail in some cases to have to lift huge bodies of water up 2500 feet, to higher levels. This water will if the land is irrigated, and as well as growing green leafy vegetables, we plant green leafy trees, will more than double the amount of water brought to the land in rainfall. This is turn will lower the overall temperature of the regions irrigated for agriculture by about 2 degrees. That is why it would be good to irrigate the Sahara, because the hot winds that blow from there across the Atlantic, pick up speed and start swirling and turn into things like Katrina. So we can work with God to improve the conditions we live in on this planet, and increase our productivity and energy flux density sources, so that we can overcome the weather patterns which are so hostile at present. Not try to make another bubble out of it, and go extinct with the carbon credits choking the oligarchs as they croak. Happy new year everybody.

  • Anonymous

    DITTO!