Dueling Solyndra

WORKERS!!!!!!!
JOBS!!!!
“O” didn’t care about the worker unless it 
was a union worker, Soyindra was a sink hole 
for good press and appeasement to the left.

You and me and the average Joe, remember him?  
I think you do!!!!!

Left or right, rich or poor lets be fair,
Soyindra is Hailburtion. I guess it depended 
on what side of the fence you were on.
At least you new who Cheney was.

“O” hoped it would look good at the end to wear as a badge 
of courage in 2012 pinned to “O’s” vest like the GM Volt.
Now how is that Hope and Change working out for you !!

Yes I am bitter since the GM takeover, 
dealerships are gone and the workers are gone, why? 
because dealership workers were not union workers,  

GE got contracts and small companies were left to 
fail while GE got a huge tax break.
Use it you Republicans to your advantage,
Wake Up!!!!

Government likes picking winners and losers.
Bad poker players all of them!!!!!
or maybe its just the dealer of the cards, “O”.
That’s it !!!!
_______

Missing Ms. Katmoon and Ferd and their opinions.
Wishing you well.

This is such a weak attempt at creating a scandal for the Obama White House. Obama has had the most scandal free admin. in decades … I almost feel bad for the Koch Brothers that this is the best they’ve got.

Yes, Obama is the most transparent tool of a President we have ever seen… he has no apparent conscience let alone a moral compass… Same here regarding Ferd and Katmoon… This has become bot central. This reminds me of the gang bangers and graffitti… let the graffitti stand and the gang bangers feel welcome… vigilant business owners paint over graffitti as soon as it goes up… they know they can’t afford to let it stand else good people won’t feel welcome. Ferd was vigilant like that. Now that he and folks like him are gone the  obot gangs have taken over and it isn’t the same here… somebody needs to take down the obot graffitti since the admins here don’t seem to mind it… the Internet didn’t need one more obot cheetoh site… but that is just my opinion.

Doc, I am NOT an “Obot”!

No comment, on Ferd, and his “Berflettes”.

“but that is just my opinion”.
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Good opinions are  very much appreciated Doceider.
Keep on, Keep on………..

Ignore them and collapse their comments. They are trying, and often succeeding in distracting. I used to rush to argue with them too. Not worth the effort.

By collapsing their comments you are painting over the graffitti. It’s up to you.

Solyndra caught destroying millions of dollars in assets
More: http://townhall.com/tipsheet/erikajohnsen/2012/01/20/solyndra_caught_destroying_millions_of_dollars_in_assets

No scandal here. At least not one that is much known because the Obamamedia refuses to report on anything that isn’t flattering to their hero.

Ditto the Fast and Furious scandal. If it had happened under a Republican President it would be on NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN and of course the cesspool of cable MSNBC, 24/7.

Welcome to Disneyland on the Potomic !!!! This whole administrtion needs to be in prison.  Is there anyone on this planet that could be a worse president than this asshole ??

I can envision an ad in which it shows money coming into Solyndra out of taxpayers pockets, Solyndra filing for bankruptcy, former employees in unemployment lines, a memo requesting permission to give managers bonuses and the video of these parts being thrown away. And the words: Change you can believe in?

attempt at creating a scandal?

As an American citizen you should be outraged. This isn’t a partisan issue, it’s an American one.

And people wonder why we call you Obots!

I was almost shocked when I discovered it was CBS reporting this.

Newt Gingrich

I kinda like the Obots. Great comedy relief.

A Quote from John Adams:

In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm and three or more is a congress.

This rings true today!   How many useless congressmen and women have remained in congress pass their expiration date.  Have amassed wealth?!  AND have the IQ of a flea…..

It seems that voting for intelligent, patriotic and those interested in serving the people are things that the citizens of the this country have forgotten.

Instead personal gain of our representatives and special interest groups (unions) have dictated to the people.  As if they are herding this country to failure for their own personal greed.

“Why does POTUS Obama want to wade into the sad-sack timeline of the White House pushing Solyndra with the able assist of a campaign donor who visited the White House many times in 2009?”

There was absolutely nothing wrong with giving loan guarantees to Solyndra. Nothing wrong with the U.S. government trying to stand-up the a very important solar industry in this country. This is happening all over the world. The government of China has given loans or loan guarantees to its solar companies to the tune of nearly $40 billion. So far the U.S. alternative energy loan guarantee program has done reasonably well with a very low failure rate. There have been 25 solar, wind and geothermal companies that have won more than $11.4 billion in loan guarantees under the government program.

Also let me remined you that it was Bush who in 2005 created the loan guarantee program through the Energy Policy Act of 2005. It was also Bush’s adminstration that first considered Solyndra itself.

“Among these are the fact that the panel of career officials that remanded the project during the Bush administration is the exact same committee that then approved the loan guarantee transaction several months later after due diligence, the fact that the email stating that the loan was “not ready for prime time” was not a warning about financial risk but was in fact an email concerned with the timing of the announcement and not the merits of the loan guarantee, and the fact that while the George Kaiser Family Foundation made investments, Solyndra had “close ties to both political parties” including the conservative Walton family, which was the second largest investor and is a major donor to Republicans.”

At the time Solyndra (although there were questions, as there always are with start-up companies and technology) looked like a good company to support. If it was not for the Chinese massively dumping solar panels on the market in 2010 and 2011 it is very likely Solyndra would have survived. It was not only the U.S. government that picked Solyndra, but plenty of private investors. Solyndra raised $1 billion in equity from high-profile and savvy venture capitalist investors including RedPoint Ventures, CMEA Capital and RockPort Capital.

“Over the past 18 months, it appears that the Chinese Development Bank has extended more than $34 billion in credit lines to Chinese solar companies. This subsidy program, combined with a softening in European demand, contributed to a 27% drop in the price per kilowatt for solar panels. As a result, Solyndra’s CIGS technology was unable to complete with China’s traditional crystalline silicon photovoltaic (PV) cells.”
 
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/plugged-in/2011/11/18/solyndra-soft-markets-chinese-subsidies-no-apologies/

Solyndra is currently in a restructuring/bankruptcy and it is far from certain how much taxpayers will actually lose, if anything, until after the restructuring or until it is determined if the company is sold. Taxpayers may get back 100% of their money or 50 cents on the dollar.

It always surprises me when CBS actually does some reporting as opposed to pandering and cheerleading.

They are probably are getting reamed by some White House flunky as we speak and are promising Obama his own segment on “60 Minutes.” I don’t mean just another softball interview I mean a real Oblahblah segment where he gets to ask and answer the questions.

Uhmmm, “It was also Bush’s administration that first considered Solyndra itself.”

Considered…. Then denied them because they didn’t think they could deliver.

The China has stolen a lot of intellectual properties from the US and continue to hack into ever system we have.

China has not created anything but has stolen from everyone.

AND, I can’t understand why we continue to give them financial aid!

I am way past find them amusing. I just collapse their comments and ignore them like any other annoying pest.

No the Bush adminstration did not deny the loan to Solyndra. Please provide some proof. They just ran out of time at the end of their Adminstration and the loan guarantee was carried over into the first month of the Obama adminstration. I think you need to re-read the history, timeline and facts. Plus re-read my comment above. It was absolutely the same approval panel who first looked at the Solyndra loan guarantee under Bush who ended up approving it under Obama. Anyways there was nothing wrong with giving the loan guarantee in the first place.

No the Bush adminstration did not deny the loan to Solyndra. Please provide some proof. They just ran out of time at the end of their Adminstration and the loan guarantee was carried over into the first month of the Obama adminstration. I think you need to re-read the history, timeline and facts. Plus re-read my comment above. It was absolutely the same approval panel who first looked at the Solyndra loan guarantee under Bush who ended up approving it under Obama. Anyways there was nothing wrong with giving the loan guarantee in the first place.

Well look at this PA. It`s surprising what you can find if you turn over a few rocks.

California Democratic Party among Solyndra’s creditors

According to campaign-finance records, Solyndra donated $7,500 to the California Democratic Party
in October 2010. It’s legal in California for corporations to make
donations. But that doesn’t explain why the company would identify the Democratic Party as a creditor in its bankruptcy filing a year later.

The same month Solyndra donated to the California Democrats, the company also contributed $1,000 each to three California state Assembly candidates, according to data from the National Institute on Money in State Politics.
The
state Democratic organization was identified in a document called a
“creditor matrix.” It’s a standard filing in bankruptcy cases, where the
debtor provides an alphabetical list of the names and addresses of all
creditors. In the Solyndra case, the list runs more than 100 pages.

Company officials visited the White House
on numerous occasions, hired an expensive team of Washington lobbyists
and, in the months before its bankruptcy, walked the halls of Congress
to personally assure lawmakers that “business was booming,” as one
lawmaker later recalled.
In the wake of the company’s collapse and subsequent raid by the FBI this month, Solyndra’s
top two executives, citing their Fifth Amendment rights, refused to
testify last week before the House Energy and Commerce investigations
subcommittee, which has been looking at the Solyndra
loan deal for months. In bankruptcy records, the company blamed stiff
foreign competition and an oversupply of solar panels for its fast
downfall.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/sep/25/bankrupt-solyndras-curious-creditor/?page=1

“Energy is also not a winning topic just now with the Keystone XL Pipeline.”

Obama gets an “A+” on energy policy. If you think otherwise, I would like to hear it.

He has invested more in Alternative energy than any President before him. The U.S. is currently domestically producing record levels of oil and natural gas. So much natural gas production in fact that the price of natural gas is at record levels and never been lower. We are also producing so much oil that in 2011 the U.S. became a net exporter of oil.

As far as the Keystone pipeline goes, there was not much the U.S. was going to get out of it, other than a limited number of temporary jobs.

It is largely pipeline to nowhere as far as the American people are concerned. Canadian oil is transported across 7 states to a tax free export facility on the gulf coast. Eminent domain is used by our government to force land owners to give up their land. That sure sounds conservative!  On the way it passes refineries which currently refine Canadian oil. On the way it passes Canadian coastline where the oil could be exported without touching American soil.  The USA gets nothing from the deal, apart from the good chance this sticky crude will one day destroy the major source of fresh water in the west of the country.  Benefit goes to the Canadian government, Canadian producers and of course big oil for making this so political.  People in the mid west will see gas prices go up as the Canadian oil currently refined there goes south for export.
Keystone XL Reality Check: 1) The number of jobs that will be created is in the low thousands, 90% temporary.  2) The gunk coming out of the ground in Canada can’t be made into either gas or diesel suitable for use in North America. It has to be exported to countries with terrible emission standards. In other words, it does nothing for our energy independence.  3) Port Arthur, the southern terminus of the pipeline, is in a “special enterprise zone” which means that its output can be exported tax free.  4) Why send it all the way to Texas instead of building a new refinery in Canada? Because the old refineries in Texas have been grandfathered into out-of-date lax environmental regulations – whereas a new refinery would have to been compliant with modern standards.  Add it all up, and what do you get? The Republican party demanding that the government use its powers of eminent domain to force this pipeline on private landowners in seven states, with the lasting benefits of the project going only to big oil.   In short, this pipeline is a crony-capitalist abomination, which the Republicans are supporting only because of Obama derangement.   Seeing the supposed party of “limited government” backing this monstrosity is proof positive the GOP leadership has completely lost its mind and that the right-wing media has had its thought processes hopelessly disconnected from the reality-based community.

History, Mr. Silver, proves otherwise. Internal Energy Department
e-mails indicate the panel evaluating the loan unanimously decided to
shelve Solyndra’s loan application two weeks BEFORE Obama took office.
But that didn’t stop a green-driven Obama administration from changing
course. Two months later, new Energy Secretary Steven Chu announced the
government would give Solyndra a $535 million loan, funded with money
from the stimulus program passed in February 2009.

History also shows that the Obama White House asked the Energy
Department to make a decision on the loan so they could schedule a visit
by President Obama to the Solyndra facility to announce the loan.
Records also show that Oklahoma billionaire George Kaiser was a private
backer of the deal and that he raised tens of thousands of dollars in
2008 for President Obama’s presidential campaign. Kaiser made repeated
visits to the White House as did Solyndra executives (more than 20 to be
exact). Solyndra executives also were telling Democratic members of
Congress that Solyndra was a financially strong company that was doing
well. They were telling this to the Obama White House and Democratic
members of Congress even just weeks before the company shut its doors
and filed for bankruptcy.

http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-chicago/storm-clouds-gather-over-obama-solyndra

Hurry down to the local ER Marvin, get put on life support, you are already brain dead !!

The United States imports some 1.4 million barrels per day of oil
sands crude, or 15 percent of all U.S. oil imports. The bulk of it
arrives by a network of pipelines that run from Alberta to refineries in
the U.S. Midwest.
About one-third of the imports arrives through
TransCanada’s existing Keystone pipeline, which carries about 435,000
barrels of oil sands crude every day through the Dakotas and Nebraska,
ending at refineries and oil hubs in Kansas, Oklahoma, Missouri and
Illinois. Another major pipeline—Kinder Morgan’s Trans Mountain
system—pumps about 100,000 barrels of oil sands per day directly into
Bellingham, Washington.
A growing amount of the total flow—today,
it’s about four percent—ends up in California, where it is primarily
refined into motor and aviation fuel for use in the state.
Almost
all of the oil sands that enters California comes via Kinder Morgan’s
Trans Mountain pipeline, which carries about 300,000 barrels of crude
oil per day from Edmonton, Alberta, to Vancouver. Of that total, about
50,000 barrels per day is piped to the Port of Vancouver oil terminal,
where the vast majority is eventually shipped down on tankers to
California refineries.
Forest Ethics,
a San Francisco-based environmental advocacy group, has identified
five refineries in California that can now process heavy crude from
Alberta—Tesoro’s two facilities in Wilmington and Pacheco,
ConocoPhillips’ refinery in Los Angeles, Valero’s facility in
Wilmington and ExxonMobil’s refinery in Torrance. Chevron’s refinery in
Richmond also imports refined products, not raw crude, from Alberta.
The oil giant has filed a permit to expand its refinery to process more
heavy crudes, though it has denied it is doing so to accommodate more
oil sands. Across the country there are nearly 50 refineries in total
that can refine blended bitumen.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/jan/20/canada-tar-sands-legal-ruling

oowawa left also, and I rarely read NQ now. The old saying “familiarity breeds contempt” does not apply to my long-time friends on this site. I miss their insights, jokes, and comraderie.
The writers here may like diversity…speaking of which: Where is Reverend Amy?

You, more than anyone else, are responsible for Ferd’s leaving. You are a rude person who attacked him for no reason. Apparently, you think your opinion is the only relevant one. We enjoyed Ferd’s wit and his presence here. Because you didn’t, and attacked him remorselessly, we are now deprived of his wit and insight. Instead we get your long boring posts. Not what I would call a good trade. So shut up about Ferd. You aren’t half the person he is, and you never will be.

Alternative energy is all very well, and should be pursued. However, practical application of the idea should be the first item on the agenda. Spending billions of taxpayers’ money on pie-in-the-sky projects is stupid. Instead, they should push things that already exist, like natural gas powered engines. They are non-polluting and very efficient, already in production in a limited way and have been street tested. In the NE, the Schwann’s trucks are all run on natural gas. They are freezer trucks that deliver frozen food. All run on natural gas. And we have a supply of natural gas, a big one. Just what is under West Virginia will power the country for a couple of centuries. By then solar and such will be practical. What Obama is doing by vetoing the pipeline is pandering to a small group of his donors. This is not surprising since pandering is what he does instead of governing.

Obama’s Iowa New Media Director Charged with Identity Theft – Faces 2 Years in Jail

Zach Edwards directed the Obama campaign’s New Media operations in
five primary states. Yesterday he was charged with identity theft.
Barack Obama’s 2008 New Media Director was arrested on Friday and
charged with identity theft. Zach Edwards currently works for a
Democrat-affiliated organization with ties to Iowa Senator Tom Harkin.

Barack Obama’s 2008 Iowa New Media Director was arrested Friday for
attempting to use the identities of Secretary of State Matt Schultz,
and/or his brother Thomas, with the intent to falsely implicate the
Secretary Schultz in illegal or unethical behavior. Zach Edwards, 29, of
Des Moines, currently works for Link Strategies, a Democrat-affiliated
organization with ties to Iowa Senator Tom Harkin. Edwards is the
Director of New Media for Link Strategies.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/01/obama-new-media-director-charged-with-identity-theft-faces-2-years-in-jail/

Marv wrote: “Obama has had the most scandal free admin. in decades”.  Marv, the talking points guidance from the campaign said to say, “Obama has had the most scandal free administration in history.”  Please don’t change the talking points when commenting on right wing blogs. 

PA wrote, “Please provide some proof.”  A wise standard for all who would assert in a blog comment.

 ”As if they are herding this country to failure for their own personal greed. ”
I’d take out the “as if”.

“GE got contracts and small companies were left to 
fail, while GE got a huge tax break.
Use it to your advantage Republicans, ”
Unfortunately, Samb, I think they did exactly that.

I started a comment once by writing that I sometimes agreed with Scottymac’s points but did not like how he attacked people.  And then I was attacked in return.  I am still extremely hesitant to reply to him or even push the “like” under his comments.

Well, maybe equally as bad. 

That was  great Harp! I live in  LA and wondered where our oil was coming from.
There was another refinery in, I think, Fresno that shut down a while back to great uproar. It may be, from your post, that it was too far inland and  getting the oil there was a problem – no one ever explained it – but so many that you have listed are near the coast so that may be the case. And it coming by ship makes sense.
In LA we have sunshine as our major commodity and thousands of rooves. Looking forward to getting off the grid if the price can  come down.

Now doesn’t this news simply have “Chicago politics” written all over it?

Harp2—thanks for your comments to PA. 

Harp2—thanks for your comments to PA. 

Did you read that the quotation about his supposedly scanda-free administration came from the very time that said administration was making all these deals that spent our money so unwisely–and for which our kids will be paying the debt?  He did it for POLITICAL pursposes, not for the good of the country no matter how you try to look at it.

Did you read that the quotation about his supposedly scanda-free administration came from the very time that said administration was making all these deals that spent our money so unwisely–and for which our kids will be paying the debt?  He did it for POLITICAL pursposes, not for the good of the country no matter how you try to look at it.

A zombie obot!!  Very frightening!!

A zombie obot!!  Very frightening!!

A politician doing something for political purposes? Wow! Ask the Republican congress about that. They are purposefully sabotaging our economy to hurt Obama’s reelection prospects.

But it’s not working well enough – yesterday Romney admitted the economy is getting better and … well how is he going to run against Obama if he admits that?

These aren’t talking points. It’s obvious from looking back at the past few presidencies that Obama has had less scandals than they have. I can’t speak of all of presidential history because there have been 43 other presidents and I am not a presidential historian. I don’t live in a fantasy world, unlike those with Obama Derangement Syndrome. 

Outraged about *what* ???!!! Are you joking? It’s amazing watching you guys try to manufacture something out of nothing. There’s no *there* there. 

Our last President lied us into a war and crashed our economy. You are going to have to do a helluva a lot better to get people’s attention.

Unprecedented is his favorite word. Ugh.

What’s even funnier is that despite the ethical claims, they’re 3 MONTHS into a presidency and they’re declaring MOST ETHICAL PRESIDENT EV-AH!!

Never mind that there’s still 3 YEARS and 9 MONTHS to go, it has been declared so it must be true!

And that’s the way it was back in 2009. All down the Obot memory hole…

I should have said for “personal” political purposes. O wants to retain his position to push a leftie agenda, which many in the country do NOT like.  The Dems had a majority in Congress when O was placed in the WH. NP and HR ran the show as if they were little Khruschevs pounding their shoes on the table.  Guess what?  They lost the House because of it.  The citizens of this country are not all so stupid that they can’t see that the Republicans kept putting things through to the Senate only to what HR sit on them.  Seems to me the Dem political structure caused things to stall, not the Republicans.  Get it straight–this is a republic, not a soicalist party system.

Thanks Harp2!  
PA you are not dealing with uneducated or uninformed people!
So take your lies elsewhere…like Chicago.

Marvin,

For count nouns you should use the word “fewer” instead of the word “less.”  And obviously you are recalling history through your Democratic talking point emails.  I am betting you love MoveOn.

And to me Obama Derangement Syndrome is a syndrome that obots have.  They have a deranged idea that Obama is not a narcissistic, incompetent, inexperienced thug who learned politics the Chicago way.

wow. 

the only path to victory for newt, as for obama, is to divide the country.  if these two run against each other, it will set back this country 50 years.  there will be a racial divide like we’ve never seen before.  rational discourse will go out the window.  and the merits of any policy initiative will disappear. 

I wonder if some of these green energy companies are fake!!!  Are they using them to distribute tax dollars to Democrat candidates????  I guess it beats using foreign money and taking the chance of getting caught. OH WAIT! Our MSM would never figure out either nor would they report it if they did

BINGO !!!!

You, more than anyone else, are responsible for Ferd’s leaving…”
Oh, CRAP. Ferd treated this comments section like his own private duchy, and, as Doc pointed out above, appointed himself attack dog against any remotely opposing viewpoint, while his wife coldly muckraked behind the scenes to rouse the rabble, to re-engineer the ideological makeup of the posters, and create a hermetically sealed auditorium focused exclusively on hating Obama and cruelly mocking misinformed “retrogressives”, rather than the inclusive, critical, incisive outlet for informed seekers of truth, liberty and intelligence these comments had been, during the 2008 campaign, when media pundits and political operatives used “No Quarter” as a worthy, go-to resource.

“Apparently, you think your opinion is the only relevant one…”

Not at all. But I am NOT a “troll”, just because I’m not cowed into only agreeing with two or three self-appointed blowhards and arbiters of political rhetoric.

Which is why I abruptly abandoned “The Other Democrats”, as quickly as I left DU.

“We enjoyed Ferd’s wit and his presence here…”

GOOD! So recruit HIM, to come back! I never lobbied for him to leave and, AFAIK, he vanished of his own accord, so why blame me?

I personally believe Ferd’s pride was damaged, because his strong support for Cain was strongly rebuffed, and Cain imploded. He could use his passionate dislike for me as an excuse to set sail for more ideologically friendly waters, without having to cop to it.

Do you REALLY believe such an unceasing blowhard just disappears from the blogosphere, LOL!

I personally enjoy the dozens of new and former, more open and independent occasional commenters, who now speak truth to power here, who remained silent during Ferd’s camp’s occupation.

“Because you didn’t, and attacked him remorselessly, we are now deprived of his wit and insight…”

Excuse me, Little Ms. Revisionist History??

Perhaps your recall is growing dim, but I made COUNTLESS attempts to try to reach out to Ferd.

And was rewarded with increasingly hostile, baseless personal attacks and attempts to have me “banned”.

I have NEVER “attacked” anyone here, pre-emptively.

“Instead we get your long boring posts…”

I do not consider holdover feminist issues, sharia law, and Michelle Obama’s latest fashion catastrophes to be crucial to our current political or societal crisis, or effective platforms to defeat Obama, much less restore liberty and justice to this nation.

“Not what I would call a good trade…”

As worthy as your mercantile mindset is, you have not been elected to control this dialogue, and are not what I’d call any sort of power broker.

In short, what do I care?

You’re just one, in a sea of malevolent voices.

Should I feel guilty, because the tide has changed?

“So shut up about Ferd. You aren’t half the person he is, and you never will be. ”

NO. I will NEVER “shut up”. EVER.

“You aren’t half the person he is, and you never will be. ”

Blessed Is The Lord.

Enough old curmudgeons on their online porches, whining about their taxes, after lining their pockets with the spoils of the poor, for three decades.

Your despicable “class” is dead,
FLDemFem.

You, more than anyone else, are responsible for Ferd’s leaving…”
Oh, CRAP. Ferd treated this comments section like his own private duchy, and, as Doc pointed out above, appointed himself attack dog against any remotely opposing viewpoint, while his wife coldly muckraked behind the scenes to rouse the rabble, to re-engineer the ideological makeup of the posters, and create a hermetically sealed auditorium focused exclusively on hating Obama and cruelly mocking misinformed “retrogressives”, rather than the inclusive, critical, incisive outlet for informed seekers of truth, liberty and intelligence these comments had been, during the 2008 campaign, when media pundits and political operatives used “No Quarter” as a worthy, go-to resource.

“Apparently, you think your opinion is the only relevant one…”

Not at all. But I am NOT a “troll”, just because I’m not cowed into only agreeing with two or three self-appointed blowhards and arbiters of political rhetoric.

Which is why I abruptly abandoned “The Other Democrats”, as quickly as I left DU.

“We enjoyed Ferd’s wit and his presence here…”

GOOD! So recruit HIM, to come back! I never lobbied for him to leave and, AFAIK, he vanished of his own accord, so why blame me?

I personally believe Ferd’s pride was damaged, because his strong support for Cain was strongly rebuffed, and Cain imploded. He could use his passionate dislike for me as an excuse to set sail for more ideologically friendly waters, without having to cop to it.

Do you REALLY believe such an unceasing blowhard just disappears from the blogosphere, LOL!

I personally enjoy the dozens of new and former, more open and independent occasional commenters, who now speak truth to power here, who remained silent during Ferd’s camp’s occupation.

“Because you didn’t, and attacked him remorselessly, we are now deprived of his wit and insight…”

Excuse me, Little Ms. Revisionist History??

Perhaps your recall is growing dim, but I made COUNTLESS attempts to try to reach out to Ferd.

And was rewarded with increasingly hostile, baseless personal attacks and attempts to have me “banned”.

I have NEVER “attacked” anyone here, pre-emptively.

“Instead we get your long boring posts…”

I do not consider holdover feminist issues, sharia law, and Michelle Obama’s latest fashion catastrophes to be crucial to our current political or societal crisis, or effective platforms to defeat Obama, much less restore liberty and justice to this nation.

“Not what I would call a good trade…”

As worthy as your mercantile mindset is, you have not been elected to control this dialogue, and are not what I’d call any sort of power broker.

In short, what do I care?

You’re just one, in a sea of malevolent voices.

Should I feel guilty, because the tide has changed?

“So shut up about Ferd. You aren’t half the person he is, and you never will be. ”

NO. I will NEVER “shut up”. EVER.

“You aren’t half the person he is, and you never will be. ”

Blessed Is The Lord.

Enough old curmudgeons on their online porches, whining about their taxes, after lining their pockets with the spoils of the poor, for three decades.

Your despicable “class” is dead,
FLDemFem.

You shouldn’t feel that way, DLC.

I may disagree with you about many things, but agree with you frequently on many more, but am reluctant to reply to you as well, because I’m concerned about getting berated in return and I don’t know how to take you sometimes.

But I have no beef with you whatsoever.

People need to think back and remember how relentlessly I was hounded as a “troll” when I reemerged here, particularly by six or so people, and how it felt on my end, when no one would stand up against the abuse, because they disagreed with me politically.

“Our last President lied us into a war and crashed our economy. You are going to have to do a helluva a lot better to get people’s attention…”

But Bush is not running for President again.

And, in case you’ve noticed, the Republicans have come a long way in accepting Bush’s crimes, and errors, and no longer defend him.

Marvin, there’s a big difference in claiming that Solyndra is not important, and saying the improprieties just don’t exist.

Which is it?

I think you’re just rejecting it out of hand as having any merit, because you don’t want to learn that serious questions HAVE been raised, and that it fits a pattern that, as I’ve mentioned before to you, is hard to deny.

Bush will not be held to account for his transgressions, that is painfully clear.

Are you saying this buys Barky indemnity and he is free to plunder, the same way the neocons did?     

“But it’s not working well enough – yesterday Romney admitted the economy is getting better and … well how is he going to run against Obama if he admits that?”

A possible alternative to this fake left-right paradigm lockstep, Marvin, is to consider Dr. Paul, and think about what political gains could be made during a Paul presidency, that might be pleasing to you, going forward.

I suggest this, because I share many concerns you’ve brought up, and, I agree, there really is not sufficient difference between the other candidates to expect better than we’ve gotten, thus far.

Romney is NOT Satan.

I’m just skeptical that his election will cause much of a marked difference in real terms to what we’d be stuck with, anyway.    

Good point!!!!

I like Ron Paul. He’s a good honest guy. But Libertarianism is not the solution. Progressives are the reason the world is a good place for so many people… check out some history books. It wasn’t that long ago that only the wealthy had a good life.

I think, and we are loathe to accept it, that we are closer to this sort of a “civil war” than ever before.

One of my concerns with Barky continues to be that his, out of all the political machines, is the MOST likely to promote such unrest, as a way to consolidate power.

I have spoken to a few Dem “machine” pawns lately.  They are very, very frightened.

The whole “Chicago Politics” attack is so amazingly weak. This is a guy who had a relatively scandal free White House (quite obviously to sane voters) so to try to hit him on this just because he is from Chicago is… it’s just weak. It’s like when Obama said he wanted to shrink the Gov’t by making six agencies into one and the GOP response was.. “err….. ” they just don’t know to deal with the reality of who Obama really is because they’ve created this… image that has no relationship to reality.

This is the derangement. You’ve decided for some reason or another (I won’t pretend to know why) that Obama is this terrible evil guy… so now that there is absolutely no evidence of that… you try to create some out of thin air. It’s … interesting. 

You’re right: Bush is not running again. This crop of Republicans makes Bush look great by comparison. This is the worst Republican field ever.

Great news but Obama will throw him under the bus and the MSM will yawn.

right on John…

Well, Obama really is transparent because there is nothing there to begin with.

Incorrect (IMHO).

What he is doing is giving up on the white working class.

The jobs it would have generated are in overwhelmingly white areas, and those areas are disproportionally populated by white working-class voters who have overwhelmingly given up on Barky as a wise political choice for their interests and their principles.

The “pandering” theory pushed by so many right-wing bloggers evades the real societal motivation and pushes one easily understood by “pro-business” people, who are trained and directed to respond to political favors vs. kickbacks.

They cannot touch the true motivation, because, God Forbid they invoke anything smacking of “class warfare”, a concept “pro-business” types revived.

So the Monica Crowleys of the world give you an ostensible reason, to explain it away, minus accountability.

I agree. If we are to invest in alternative energy with tax dollars it should be for proven, truly “shovel ready”projects.

I find it just the least bit ironic that we have to get this wealth of factual information from the Brits.

But Bush is not running for President again.

Thanks Scottymac54. This has become a tiresome, familiar meme for Dumbs, I mean Dems. I wasn’t any great fan of Bush but much of what he did occurred while Dumbs, sorry I mean Dems, were in control of Congress and responsible for oversight and controlling the purse-strings.

{clapping hands.}.

It always surprises me when CBS actually does some reporting.
or any of the others too.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203441704577068670488306242.html

“U.S. exports of gasoline, diesel and other oil-based fuels are soaring, putting the nation on track to be a net exporter of petroleum products in 2011 for the first time in 62 years.

A combination of booming demand from emerging markets and faltering domestic activity means the U.S. is exporting more fuel than it imports, upending the historical norm.”

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/12/05/us-on-pace-to-become-net-fuel-exporter/

“For anyone bummed out about the United States’ dependence on foreign oil, try this forecast on for size: The U.S. is on track to be a net exporter of petroleum products this year for the first time in 62 years — and yet, domestic gas prices remain at or close to record highs for this time of year.
Data released last week by the U.S. Energy Information Administration shows that the U.S. sent abroad 753.4 million barrels of gasoline, diesel and other oil-based fuels in the first nine months of 2011, while taking in only 689.4 million barrels.”

The U.S. energy industry is on fire. They are producing domestically record levels of oil and natural gas. So much so that we have now become a net exporter. There is no need for this oil from the Keystone pipeline in the U.S. The Canadian just want the pipeline so they can export the oil to South America and Europe.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!

I miss them too.and also some others.maybe they will come back.

I was wondering that too.

The loan guarantees where given in March 2009 (less than two months after Obama took over), so those 2010 donations were a bit late and were to the California Democrats. How much did Solyndra donate to the Republican party? The Washington Times does not tell us that.

From the very conservative Reason Magazine:

http://reason.com/archives/2011/09/26/solyndra-and-the-gop

“Solyndra and the GOP”

“In 2010 and 2011, according to Senate lobbying records, Solyndra spent $130,000 on lobbyists at the Washington Tax Group LLC. Solyndra’s lobbyists there included Greg Nickerson, a former aide to Republican congressmen Bill Thomas and Jim McCrery. Mr. Nickerson “served on the Delegate and Caucus Team at the 2004 Republican National Convention in New York and worked as an attorney advisor to the National Republican Senatorial Committee during the 2004 and 2006 elections,” according to his biography on his lobbying firm web site. Also on the Solyndra account at Washington Tax Group LLC was Jan Fowler, whose Capitol Hill experience came as an aide to another Republican, Sen. George Voinovich of Ohio.”

“In other words, rather than simply attacking the Democrats for shoveling taxpayer money into a solar energy company that eventually failed, the Republicans might ask themselves how so many of their own former public servants wound up on the company’s payroll, and why so many of their own senators and President Bush backed the law that created the loan guarantee program.”

Companies make donations all the time. Good for them. The billions pumped into Washington by big oil and big nuclear leave those of the alternative energy or solar industry in the dust. Hard for the alternative energy sector to get any love or attention in Washington when they are up against the big money of the oil and nuclear energy industries. Those two big industries outspend (mostly with Republicans) the alternative energy sector a thousand times over.

Why have there been no charges laid or any real claims of corruption, given this Solyndra transaction has been looked at with great detail by Republicans? Nothing really has come out of this.

Not sure what the point of your article really is?

Take off your tinfoil hat. Give us some proof. Anything…..

The reason you can make the claims that Obama is scandal free is because the MSM gives the guy a total pass. Obama was a member of a virulent white hating “church” for 20 years. But that didn’t become a scandal because Obama and Wright staged a breakup and everyone in the MSM went along with it. It wasn’t as if they had any reason to doubt Obama. I mean, he didn’t rail against whites in any of his books or anything like that.

I’m neither a Republican or a Democrat, neither conservative or liberal. I am a moderate, something that both sides despise equally. And the feeling is mutual.

Shelfing the project by the Bush Admin two weeks before Obama took over is hardly denying the loan. It was shelved because the clock ran out for them. It was taken up again after Obama took over, like many many things when a new adminstration takes over.

Again provide any proof whatsoever that the Bush Adminstration actually killed the approval. In fact, many of those under Bush who first looked at it eventually where the same ones (panel) who approved it.

Kaiser was also connected to the Walmart family who are big time Republicans and investors in Solyndra. In additioin, Kaiser himself had no investment in Solyndra, only a family trust did, so no personal financial gain.

Besides all of this BS, there was nothing wrong in the first place with giving the loan guarantee. We should be supporting our solar industry.

Is there any other kind?

They are purposefully sabotaging our economy to hurt Obama’s reelection prospects.

Oh really? How many budgets and bills have passed the Democrat controlled Senate?

Did you bother to read the article Harp2 provided…
“The fact is the Energy Department under President Bush DENIED the loan request from Solyndra during the administration’s waning days in early January of 2009. The Bush Energy Department denied the loan because the “company didn’t have good long-term prospects.”
PA, try reality for once.
Perhaps olivia1998 is right.
Didn’t Valerie Jarret had some scheme in chicago housing funds…..?

Marvin, the number of “Obama=Satan” voters pale in comparison to the number of those who have simply never seen him as competent, qualified, and ideologically appropriate to serve as president.

You’re not targeting the unhinged wingnuts here, and you know it.

You’re trying to propagandize Americans who realize they own their votes and are willing to assert that Barky’s rule has exceeded their worst expectations of what they knew would transpire, if he was elected in 2008.

I’d be willing to bet there are readers that are so disgusted by the GOP candidates, they will stay home, or even might vote for Obama.

What you don’t get is, you’re doing such a perfect representation of the 2008 Obots that demanded blind obedience to their ideals, that you’re having the opposite effect of what you intend.

You’re REMINDING them why they left the Democrats as a whole, and reinforcing why they would never choose to return.  

How sad is it that we are surprised when a network, a news media actually does it’s damn job?

That is not really an article. It is an opinion piece written by a very conservative writer. The “denied” is just the author’s BS opinion. Show me a quote from anyone of significance that was involved in the process that say the loan guarantees to Solyndra were “denied” under Bush. The decisions were just held-over for the new Adminstration. They were in process. 

wow, you still have that tin foil cap on!  And a little bit to tight I might add.
http://nation.foxnews.com/solyndra/2011/09/14/bush-admin-voted-against-solyndra-loan
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63484.htm
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63484.htm

I think you need to dig a little harder.

Again, you quote fairly meaningless articles that do not say or quote any saying that the loan guarantees were actually rejectreject by the Bush Admin. What sentence says that exactly?