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Romney Today * Open Thread (Several Updates)

NOTICES: Join us here tonight in a live blogging thread to discuss, mock, cheer, and cringe during the latest GOP presidential nominee debate. The four-candidate debate in Tampa, Florida airs at 9pm ET/8pm CT and 9pm PT on NBC (FYI: NBC, I’m told, failed to update its programming schedule so you may not see the debate in your cable/satellite schedule. Be assured the debate will air on NBC TV’s channels nationwide.) Read more debate details below.

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Below you’ll see what I’ve just now transcribed from Mitt Romney’s Q&A session this morning in Tampa, Florida, live on CNN. Later, CNN returns to Q&A, and goes on to raise concerns that if Gingrich were the GOP nominee, who knows how many “October surprises” there will be, perhaps as many as one a day. As for calling Gingrich a lobbyist, Romney quipped, “If it walks like a duck, acts like a duck. …” More: Gingrich now calls for dismantling the federal Dept. of Education yet, says Romney, Gingrich was instrumental in creating the federal education agency. Then there’s that very recently, Gingrich raved about Romney’s Massachusetts health plan, yet only now attacks it. Gingrich, observed Romney, is like a pinball, bouncing all over the place.

CNN HOST: [Romney] is taking questions right now in Tampa, Florida, addressing Gingrich and the charges that Gingrich has made against him and his leadership.

MITT ROMNEY: … The policies of Freddie Mac as well as the policies of government. I didn’t hear that nationally.

I didn’t hear [Gingrich] making those warnings to the nation. He should have. He was working inside this industry, providing counsel to them. He should have provided that advice to them and communicated that to the nation.

ROMNEY CONTINUES IN HIS TAMPA Q&A: But, because of the mistakes of Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae and those associated with those entities — as well as people in Congress, and Wall Street, and bankers, and mortgage bankers, and in some cases speculators — we see a crisis which has an enormous human toll.

And so I am calling on Speaker Gingrich again to … release all of the work product associated with his work at Freddie Mac, and also return the funds that he made from Freddie Mac. I wouldn’t have normally suggested that except that he was the one who suggested that if you made money on this failed model, that you should return the money.

QUESTION FROM REPORTER RE ROMNEY’S TAX RETURNS: [Question inaudible, but it apparently has to do with the date that Romney's tax returns will be made public.]

ROMNEY: The reason that they are being released that day is because the trustee for the trust of our family funds is available that day. His name is Brad Multh [sp?], and he is in New York that day. And I don’t know the time. I think it is sometime in the morning. But it was just to accommodate his schedule.

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Conclusion of CNN’s coverage of the Romney Q&A.

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Here is the remainder of the debate information that begins at the top of page one of this post:

Alternative live streaming from 9pm to 10:30pm ET only NBCPolitics.com, National Journal, and TampaBay.com.)

Debate moderators: NBC’s Brian Williams and a panel including National Journal’s Beth Reinhard and the Tampa Bay Times’ Adam Smith.

  • Anonymous

    What will the release of Romney’s tax records show? That he’s a very wealthy man? Well dayum, there’s news! Let’s all make sure we hate him for that. After all success is something to be avoided at all costs.

    I’m confused, when did the GOP start hating success?

    I’m not talking about the hate-Mitt/anti-Romney nits, I’m talking the majority of Republicans? Because for the hate-Mitt/anti-Romney nits there is nothing he can or could do that they would consider right.

  • Anonymous

    I hope he keeps going after Gingrich in this way. 

    Were those the only two questions?

  • Anonymous

    I am not really a Newt or Mitt fan…Actually I am not totally behind anyone on the Republican slate.  I will vote for any person or thing that is running against Obama.

    If  Mitt wants all Newt’s  business and political records released, it might be a good idea to start realeasing his stuff too.  Mitt is the richest candidate in the campaign, so how did he get all his millions??? In fact Mitt has the biggest amount of campaign funds too. 

    Mitt better start walking the talk he is talking or he is going to lose big time. In other words..Dont ask for records of the other person/people when you haven’t done so yourself.  Voters dont like that.

    Right now its like hey Mitt where are your tax records.  Hey Mitt what happened to your hard drives during your governorship.  Hey Millt lets see some of your business records.

    Don’t spout transparency when you dont have it yourself. Thats what Obama did and look how much he let and has let us see.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MCA6QIPPR3EXRQRYL3MVYJSKLQ Joe

    I know there are many Newt-naysayers, but it is becoming evident that Romney is being outplayed…

    Gingrich suckered Romney into this and has already announced this morning that he is comfortable with some of the confidentiality issues, and the agreement will be released.

    If this is a game of chess, Mitt just may have sacrificed his queen.

  • Teststuff

    I don’t think the appeal of Newt is that he is a ‘moral and upstanding’ guy. It’s that he is displaying that he has the courage (or 
    chutzpah or arrogance ) to say what other candidates won’t.  Things that some voters want to hear. So I fail to see how smearing a candidate with well-known dirt is the best strategy. Perhaps they would make more of an impact if they went after his strength/weakness…push him to verbally go too far. He doesn’t have enough restraint to know where that line is. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MCA6QIPPR3EXRQRYL3MVYJSKLQ Joe

    You nailed it.

    Gingrich is simply willing to put everything on the line, and fear nothing in the scorched earth of politics.  That may be what makes him unbeatable.

  • Guest

    No kidding. 
    Mitt looked so smarmy with that superior look on his face, going after Newt while we wait for him to release his hidden tax records showing income scrubbed through Bain harbored in the Caymans and his hidden gubanatorial records showing God knows what. Disgusting !  Gingrich may have used legal loopholes to avoid Medicare taxes but Romney has a Medicare scam on his hands that wasn’t cleaned up at Bain.

    Newt it too media savvy and comfortable on camera to be roped by Mittens on these issues. I don’t see how Romney come out ahead in any debate with Newt. 

  • Teststuff

    Dear Mitt, Be yourself. Focus on your best attributes. You can hold your own in making a good case that YOU are the best candidate to know how best to create jobs and clean up some of the financial mess. That you governed in a state that was 85% opposition and did NOT have the gridlock that exists on Capitol Hill. Be proud of your track record and explain how you want to provide opportunities for all Americans. Opportunities that existed to provide economic traction for some that you want to provide for all that are ready to move forward. Don’t fall for the old playbook and try to be all things to all people. Attacking Newt is just going to make you the same old type of candidate.     

  • Anonymous

    Romney has been trying to play Obama’s 2008 game and it ain’t working.  In fact of all the Candidates, Romney was the one least picked on until just recently.

    Obama kept asking for all this kind of stuff from the candidates and yet we never saw very little from him.

    Obama screamed about GW not being transparent and look at the transparency now…

    Just my 2 cents…

  • Anonymous

    Romney has been trying to play Obama’s 2008 game and it ain’t working.  In fact of all the Candidates, Romney was the one least picked on until just recently.

    Obama kept asking for all this kind of stuff from the candidates and yet we never saw very little from him.

    Obama screamed about GW not being transparent and look at the transparency now…

    Just my 2 cents…

  • Anonymous

    Mitt, when going on the attack, always sounds like he is reading a press release. He needs to put a little passion in there. I don`t think he has it in him.

  • Anonymous

    Mitt, when going on the attack, always sounds like he is reading a press release. He needs to put a little passion in there. I don`t think he has it in him.

  • Scottymac54

    “I’m confused, when did the GOP start hating success?”

    They don’t. In fact nobody hates success, unless they’re neurotic, or insecure.

    This is a poorly thought out tactic the “anyone but Romney” campaigns employed, to attack Romney on a perceived weakness, that they saw as his alone.

    IMHO, they tried to capitalize, no pun intended, on the legitimate questions the OWS movement, and sympathizers like myself, posed, regarding hypercapitalism, and the role private equity firms and derivatives played in our current economic woes.

    This was foolish. First, they tried to jump on someone’s else’s train, without paying the fare. Not one of the other three is in a position to throw stones at Romney, and they opened themselves up to legitimate criticism about their own hypocritical positions.

    This tack was so obviously coordinated and divisive, that it raised questions as to each challenger’s true committment to the positive capitalist and entrepreneurial attitudes that have and always will have guided our nation on a steady path.

    And, it raised doubts as to whether or not the GOP and each of the candidates’ campaign leaders are fixated primarily on winning, or fostering the stability and consistency with those things that work, as opposed to leeching off the public’s honest desire to reform that, that doesn’t.

    Those of us who are putting Romney’s principles under a microscope, need to show a little intellectual honesty, as, IMHO, Dr. Paul did, and denounce these misguided tactics, instead of doing as I did, which was sitting back, with popcorn, and watching the feeding frenzy.

    Dr. Paul’s strong and prompt statements caused me to examine my conscience, and realize that it’s irresponsible to throw the baby out with the bath water, just because it’s politically expedient, and promoted my own personal agenda.

    Honestly, I was not putting my country first. I fell for false, ingrained left/right attitudes, and right/right, in-house squabbles that I didn’t fully understand.

    I apologize to Romney supporters for aiding and abetting political operatives, and going along for my own free ride.
    FWIW, I don’t “hate” Romney.  He’s just not my personal preference.

  • Anonymous

    Dont ask for it from others if you dont want to produce it yourself.

  • Scottymac54

    I think we need to establish one standard.

    Until then, there’s no universally agreed upon standard, for them to meet.

    The candidates will just use the revelations therein, to get a leg up against each other.

  • BINKY

    Here’s a good article on Private Equity firms the helped me to understand a little better about what they do and how they make money and the tax loop-hole that helps them out.

    http://www.newyorker.com/talk/financial/2012/01/30/120130ta_talk_surowiecki

  • BINKY

    Up til now, I think Newt has shown plenty of restraint; perhaps he’s mellowed somewhat over the years.

  • Scottymac54

    “Attacking Newt is just going to make you the same old type of candidate…”

    This would be a wise approach.

    “Be within, stay above.”

    He’d be building on one of his strengths, which is an image of rationality.

    When he got testy with Baier, I was a little surprised.

    There may have been a personal beef there. I remember hoping it was an aberration, but I would think that voters that are open to considering him would watch him a bit more closely, not just to judge, but to evaluate his ability to handle pressure.

  • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

    Buddy Roemer testified against repeal of Glass Steagell. http://www.politico.com/2012-election/buddy-roemer/

    His bank did not take any TARP money and did not foreclose on any mortgage holder.
    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/12/buddy-roemers-overshadowed-new-hampshire-retail-experiment/250191/

    Romney and Gingrich are not the only candidates vying for the R nomination for President.

  • Anonymous

    Newt is like a caged up tiger who has just been realeased on the person that has been sticking them with an electric prode.

    When he came out at the media at the last debate, he was voicing what many of the anti-Obama people have been saying for years.  Newt is one of the few politicians to say to the media “Quit covering Obama’s butt!”

  • Anonymous

    Attacking the press might be great sport and I must admit I enjoy watching media blood split but that is no way to run a White House and Mitt should say so. Damn……dosen`t he have ANY advisers with a clue.

  • http://uhscuseme.wordpress.com/ Pat Riot

    Mitt has to “attack” Gingrich. He really has no choice. It was his lack of (or meager) counter-attack that got him into the place he is now.

  • yttik

    I know! If Mittens doesn’t find that fire in his belly and start showing some passion, nobody is going to want to follow him. He’s just there like a warm body.

  • Guest

    “Gingrich, Romney observed, is like a pinball in a pinball game, bouncing all over the place”

    I can’t believe he said that….Gingrich: Romney “bouncing around,” without a message…If there is no “there there,” it can collapse like a house of cards. 

  • wylrae

    No, No, No!  Those in the know (or who think they are in the know) say he has not changed and he could not change.  Guess mellow and change aren’t exactly the same so they might agree he has mellowed but not changed.

    Frankly I think Newt’s debating abilities and apparent willingness to take the heat and throw it back in his questioner’s or the other candidate’s face is his greatest strength.  I really look forward to his being on a stage debating Obama.  He certainly doesn’t fit the mold of many of the past republican candidates who is going to play nicey with the opposition or wimp out when the going gets tough.

    Just the HO of a “stupid” none “true-blue conservative” supporter of Newt who is still ABO and will not attach exceptions to that such as … or except for Newt … or except for Paul, … or except for Romney, …. or etc., … or etc…… 

  • wylrae

    I think you have hit it.  Mitt’s trying to “be all things to all people” is the reason many of us have in connecting with him.

  • wylrae

    Agree.  Mitt is a likeable individual but his nicey, nicey attitude (almost coming across as I sure hope I am not upsetting anyone in his responses) is not going to defeat Obama.  Just MHO.

  • http://thesibylspeaks.wordpress.com/ Anthony

    I’m perfectly fine with “Romney 2012: Oh, why not…”

  • Guest

     If Gingrich comes away big in Florida, is it possible we could get another establishment candidate as a desperation effort to stop Gingrich ? Huntsman got out a week early and unless the situation deteriorated into pure panic, it sure wouldn’t look good to make any moves at this point. Not to pin it on a single individual or entity in particular, there is way too much blame to go around. I just find it beyond tragic that we are faced with this choice.

  • Guest

    It might look less desperate/forced/inauthentic if he had spent the last four years practicing an attack dog persona instead of a sudden strategic pivot that fails in the same way going after Huckabee failed in 2008…I agree Romney is out of other options at this point. 

  • Anonymous

    I`m willing to give Mitt some free advice…………Get under Newt`s skin and watch him self destruct.
    Try saying how can you expect the people to trust you to run the country when you can`t even get your name on the ballot in all states.

    Maybe Newt`s initial plan was just to sell books.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    However, I do believe there are many who don’t have a clue about his background and his past.  The younger voters don’t read newspapers and don’t watch t.v. news. 

    I watched a segment on O’Reilly (I think–he’s usually too arrogant for me, but there was nothing else to watch) with a guy who was showing photos of recent past presidents.  It was so surprising how many of the young people didn’t have a clue who those presidents were–couldn’t name them.

  • Anonymous

    However, just watch the General public turn off in regard to his refusal to answer or his doing that rip on the questioners.  Many don’t know to question.  And just watch him make a comment during the GE about making young inner city (read AA) youth have to clean their schools. 

    (I know this is a practice in Japanese schools, or at least I know it was a few years ago.  So it’s not as horrid an idea—but only if he says those kids (white) in the wealthy districts ought to do it also.  He makes a comment like he did about that and is NOT in SC, he may really blow everything.  HE IS A JERK, in my opinion.)

  • Anonymous

    I’m liking it for a change.  I am so sick of the ANGER politics we’ve endured. 

  • Scottymac54

    Agreed.

    Newt’s tragic error (besides speaking in the first place) was to choose the word “janitorial”, which conjures up images of heavy mops, high buckets, toxic floor waxes, etc.

    He should have put forth a concept based more on straightening up, hauling trash, filing, replenishing bathroom supplies, etc.

    He could have framed it in a way that would have spurred a discussion about teaching respect for one’s surroundings and a place of learning, as well as teamwork, and it would have been food for thought, if not really practical.

  • Anonymous

    Mitt seems to be aiming at what he thinks is the voters’s achille’s heel.
    Yet what he has been hitting is his own heel.
    By asking for all these records of Newt’s, people are thinking about the ones he hasn’t released and the ones he has hidden. You know like his taxes, the hard drives from his governorship, his own business records, his own political financing, cayman islands and the list keeps getting longer as Mitt’s aim gets worse.

  • Mgm

    I’d be happy to have a self-controlled, affable, competent president for  a change, and I think the country needs someone whose first response is thoughtful and sane.  Americans have had enough ranting and excusing oneself and indecision and hypocrisy and incompetence, don’t you think?   

  • Guest

    Romney has become more animated during the past few debates…But he hasn’t done anything to earn our trust and it doesn’t quite come across as being genuine. It sounds like he’s trying to say what he thinks people want to hear rather than expressing something he genuinely and sincerely believes in. No one is going to vote for a candidate because they are better organized or on the ballots in all 50 states. 

  • Mgm

    A brokered Republican Convention is what I fear—and wonder if the hand of Karl Rove is being played behind the scenes here.  In which case, the candidate now behind the curtain with Rove could turn out to be…Jeb Bush. 

  • Anonymous

    Here Ya go Mitt. Do I have to do all your bloody research ?

    UNBELIEVABLE?! Newt loves FDR, models himself after Woodrow Wilson and admires SEIU’s Andy Stern…

    In his book “Real Chance: From the World That Fails to
    the World That Works,” Gingrich praises the SEIU head, who remains a
    close adviser of the President Obama. Pitching the need for
    conservatives to respect organized labor, while simultaneously pushing
    back against some of
    Labor’s more cherished legislative goals, he wrote the following:

    ” Conservatives cannot cheer unions overseas and then be blindly
    anti-union here at home. There are legitimate historic reasons for
    workers to organize together, and there is a strong need for a healthy,
    competitive, union, movement that helps improve the lives of its members
    and the competitiveness of our country.

    Andy Stern, the head of the Service Employees International Union, is
    the union leader who probably best understands the challenge of the world
    market and the need to make American union members productive in the
    face of world competition. Sadly, he is a distinct minority among union leaders. “

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CgdzZJePL04#!

  • Anonymous

    From what I have seen Romney has be the one flipping and flopping on political issues…And not once has Romney admitted that he changed his mind…
    Politically it doesn’t look good when you opponent can put up a video with you adamantly stating one political view and just a few years later state the opposite or close to the opposite view.

  • Anonymous

    No they want Romney to rant and rave and then they can call him a phony because he isn’t acting like himself.

  • Anonymous

    Pass the popcorn!

  • Anonymous

    could be..lol

  • beachnan

    Again, I am going to point out that according to some study done and presented on Fox News, Romney has had way more negative coverage in the MSM then any of the other candidates, (something like 70% negative vs 30% positive) beginning with the message that Romney was inevitable.  People don’t like being told something is inevitable.  I’m sure that Romney didn’t start that.  Also the comment, “anybody but Ronmey”, was promoted by the MSM.  MSM is controlling a lot of perceptions and most don’t even realize they are being manipulated.  Just remember the comment by MSM that Hillary was divisive.  How many OBOTs fell for that one?

  • beachnan

    Unfortunately for America, debating well and speechifying well does not determine how great a leader you are.  Quit falling for the same issues that don’t matter.

  • Anonymous

    The American public isn’t looking for mindless aggression or more mud-slinging attacks. What they do want is a candidate that will speak forcefully on their behalf and defend why he should be president with passion and conviction. The last man standing strategy of forcing everyone else out of the race with money backed by a vaunted organization isn’t going to cut it.

  • Anonymous

    Unless you can bring up reliable stats I will go by what I have been hearing in the news…
    During the last 6 months or so the main news about Romney was his status in the polls..His up and down ride as the media took out one candidate after another with their constant negative hits.
    Whomever hit the top of the polls got it in the beginning…Cain, Bachman and Perry were a few of them, even Trump got blasted for a while..

    I kept thinking that wow Romeny must be one H3LL of an angel cause they are not trying to hit him in any form.

    After the first of the year it became noticiable that Romeny was getting some negative press after the primary voting was to begin.

    As I said I am not for any of the idiots on the slate. Right now I think the choices all stink.

  • Anonymous

    Bring on a Mitt attack. Those quotes are so out of context Gingrich would totally school him. 

  • Anonymous

    You got that right Foxy…Dont’t move or blink for the real show has just begun.

  • BINKY

    A couple of tidbits from Rep. Allen West’s Weekly Wrap-Up:

    [Snip]  Speaker Gingrich’s victory is a testimony to two factors: debates matter, and people are looking for someone who will fight, both the establishment and the liberal elite media.

    [Snip]  A critical part of our national security, as well as our economy and job creation, is energy independence. President Obama surrendered this week to the State Department to declare the Keystone XL project is not now in the national interest. A project studied over three years needs more time to be studied? I suppose this is what you get from a President who has a history of voting “present” most of his short political career. 

    America  needs the Keystone XL project now, especially when we here in South Florida are watching China place oil rigs capable of drilling just 45 miles off our coast. This issue is far from over. 

    http://email.address-verify.com/q/OtxlKQ0TKV4kNtrn-Lm_uRAKVu7uUQFlkLwDG1kq9Or2CkzQ02PyM38sP

  • BINKY

    Newt has show the same in-your-face quality that boosted Cristy’s polularity.

  • beachnan

    Have you been paying attention to any of LJ’s articles.    This is the knock on Gingrich-he is disorganized.  He has grandiose ideas, but then has a hard time implementing his ideas.  It is a knock that he isn’t more organized and hasn’t put himself on the ballot in all 50 states.  He deserves that knock.   He has been all over the map himself-an advocate of global warming and praising Obama Care for instance.  What about those ethics charges.  A $300,000 fine is no small matter.    He keeps pointing fingers at Mitt, look over there, don’t look at me.  His answer is to tough questions is to not answer and blast the media.  This is going to wear thin as it will only work with a Republican crowd-not Independents and Democrats.  Try winning the election without those two groups.  You should be concerned that he hasn’t gotten his act together.

  • Anonymous

    A brief moment of honesty? However unwittingly Romney did once slip AFAIK. Between “I stand by my positions. I’m proud of them” then acknowledging flip flops only to end up back at “I’ve been as consistent as any human being can be.”

    Either he is lying to himself, lacking any sense of self-awareness; or believes everyone to be as deceitful, calculating and completely incapable of consistency as himself.

    The upside of course of changing position on various issues because  “I’m running for President.” NOT, I really believe this or this or this, and that’s why I’m running” is that he would no doubt be a relatively weak executive malleable to work with, or be an ally to, whichever party takes control of the legislative branch.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002509315863 Kata Kimbe

    Seriously, you deserve the money he is paying the advisers… THEY SUCK.

  • PA

    What is clear is that the more people get to know Romney the more his support fades. If you look at his polling numbers in New Hampshire, South Carolina and now Florida that is the case.

    More generally, according to CBS News/New York Times Poll. Jan. 12-17, 2012 poll, which was taken before South Carolina, Romney’s Favorability rating is only 21% and his Not Favorable rating is 35%.

    http://www.pollingreport.com/r.htm#Romney

    The same poll puts Gingrich’s Favorability rating at 17% and his Not Favorable rating at 49%.

    http://www.pollingreport.com/g.htm#Gingrich

    Both Gingrich and Romney are polling terribly and both are terrible candidates for the general election. It will be hard for either candidate to win the election with such low favorability ratings.

    This says it all about Gingrich:

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/gingrichfamily.jpeg

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/2012/01/22/gingrich-family-values/

  • PA

    Rep. Allen West is a little misinformed.

    > oil from Keystone XL pipeline was going to be exported out of the U.S., so how does that help U.S. energy security? Why doesn’t Mr. West support congressional Democrats’ demands that as a condition of approving the pipeline Congress put in to law that the oil from the pipeline must stay in the U.S.? Lets call the GOP’s bluff.

    > The route of the pipeline was changed in December. There have been no environmental studies done regarding this new route, so it is not fair to say that the project has been studied for three years.

    The Republican Party is demanding that the government use its powers of eminent domain to force this pipeline on private landowners in seven states, with the lasting benefits of the project going only to big oil.   In short, this pipeline is a crony-capitalist abomination, which the Republicans are supporting only because of Obama derangement.   Seeing the supposed party of “limited government” backing this monstrosity is proof positive the GOP leadership has completely lost its mind and that the right-wing media has had its thought processes hopelessly disconnected from the reality-based community.

  • beachnan

    Sorry about not having reliable statistics.  I’m just stating what I heard on Fox.  I believe it was done by a University.  Everybody’s perceptions are different.  In other words, you say you are not for Newt or Romney and yet you always find fault with Romney.  Last election, I felt the media was skewed against Hillary.  Statistics proved that correct, but you can’t imagine how many OBOTs that were complaining about how unfair they were to  Obama. 

  • beachnan

    Again, it’s all in one’s perception.  No one looks smarmier than Obama and Newt to me. 

  • Anonymous

    On Hllary I heard and saw it…Was really shocked when no one was doing anything about it…The Annie Oakley skit is burned into my head…
    WIth the GOP stuff…I was and am  not for anyone..
    Whomever got top ranking the media went after them, with their either their past and present politica views, and their personal life.
    When Cain got to top poll rating I remember distinctly thinking OK what are they going to be doiing to him  You got it they slammed him out of top rung.
    He was like the 3rd or 4th one to get to the top, especially if you include Trump that the media fried out of being the top GOP runner in the polls

  • Anonymous

    I am trying to remember back to the 2008 primary…If I remember correctly Romney wasnt doing too back in the first few polls back then either.  Not on top but not on the bottom.

  • Anonymous

    Tell me then why the DNC is going so hard after Romney?  I guess they have so much money they want to throw it away on ads and numerous appearances by their talking heads.  But its very easy to see they aren’t worried in the least. 

  • Anonymous

    Ok ok I was out of touch on here for a while due to my Mom’s death. 
    Where is Amy…What happened to her.  She hasn’t been here for quite a while…

  • Jrterrier

    I think there is no correlation between the two.  Because the others have so little money, when the fight turns to the particular state, attacks on Romney begin for the first time.  Before then, the others had no money or presence in the state and Romney had it to himself.

    In NH, he had 6 or 7 candidates all hitting him in the debate. 

    SC is the result of a lot of factors, Newt’s “moment’s” against the media, a friendly Southern home turf for Newt, and the media’s and others’ desire top stop the Romney run-away train.  FL is a reaction to SC, and in many ways quite similar to SC at least in the panhandle.

    Newt made the sam attacks on the media before the IA and NH debates but it didn’t play as well. 

    Time will tell.  I don’t think that Romney should completely remake himself into an angry, nasty guy although he needs to tinker somewhat.

  • Jrterrier

    Hunstman got out because he was polling below Colbert.  If you think SC didn’t warm up to Romney, there is little to show that they would have warmed up to Huntsman.  Both Romney and Huntsman are thoughtful men; Newt is the town bully. 

    And the people of SC were looking for a bully to go against what they see the stacked deck of the MSM + Obama.

  • Jrterrier

    I think that Newt’s run will slow down once he gets out of the south.  If it doesn’t, then Newt’s run the table and there won’t be a need for a brokered convention.

  • Jrterrier

    the problem is that Mitt’s fire doesn’t look the same as Newt’s.  Newt’s is playing in the Jerry Springer show; Mitt is playing at a Q & A before a board of directors. 

  • Jrterrier

    i have a recollection that she had announced she was going on vacation or a cruise or something like that.

  • Jrterrier

    from an article on the web:

    Don’t underestimate tribalism.

    On paper, there’s no way that Gingrich wins a state like South Carolina, with its intense distrust of the federal government and its deep-seated social conservatism. Not only is Gingrich the definition of a political insider—a former high-ranking lawmaker who left office under a thick plume of scandal—but with two affairs and three marriages, he appears to be the antithesis of social conservative values.

    Despite this, South Carolinians love him. Brian and Cathy Renaud, who attended a Gingrich rally in Mount Pleasant, were typical of those who forgave the former speaker’s indiscretions and dismissed the new allegations from his second wife. “I think we all see through the media’s ploy,” Brian said. “Putting her up to talk two days before a primary? Give me a break.”

    The simple fact is that Newt Gingrich comes across as one of them. He is fluent in the language of white resentment and understands the fear and disdain for a government that takes from the “hard-working” and gives to the “undeserving.” “I think his message is pretty simple; he’s looking for people who want a hand up and not a handout,” said one attendee at a Gingrich event in Charleston, “[people] who want to get a job, and want to contribute to society.”

    Yes, Gingrich excelled in large part because of the two debates. But the scale of his success had a lot to do with the authenticity of his persona and his ability to speak the language of his audience. Put another way, a politician who casually refers to the Civil War as “the War Between the States”—which he did at the aforementioned rally—is the kind of politician who is well suited to the home of John C. Calhoun and Preston Brooks.

  • momule

    Christie is nothing like Newt if you really pay attention. He is straightforward and says what he thinks, and if someone is offended then those are the breaks. However, Newt sets out to demean and diminish anyone who dares criticize or disagree with him. Of course, he also pretends to be outraged in order to stir up trouble. Christie is like someone who gives you a swift slap on the butt if he thinks you are dissing him. But Newt is the one who goes for the belly with a knife. He always reminds me of a Hungarian word for describing someone which translates to “poison bagpipe”. He is full of hot air and himself and he has a poisonous bite

  • Anonymous

    Not one of these guys has an actual plan to do squat…. Its all sound bites and bullshit…

    I would like to know details….details…economy and foreign policy…details….

  • Jrterrier

    gingrich supposedly has posted one of the contracts he had with Fannie Mae but I cannot find it on the web.  If someone locates it, please post a link. 

  • Anonymous
  • Scottymac54

    I think the public face of their policies is so similar, that they’re reluctant to go into detail, because the vision offers nothing that improves on the policy of the past….they’re still wedded to partisan ideologies, and don’t want to step out of the box.

  • Jrterrier

    romney’s saying that the contract was with the chief lobbyist at fannie mae. 

  • Jrterrier

    newt offered freddie mac strategic advice largely based on his knowledge of history “including my history of washington” 

    love it.  so, see, he was hired as a historian after all.

  • Jrterrier

    newt is trying to go juan williams on mitt.  except this time with medicaid.  sounded good for FL. 

    mitt is hitting back.  forget brian williams.  where’s jerry springer. 

    i think mitt gave as good as he got.  if you are getting paid by an entity and you then advocate legislation that helps the entity, that’s influence peddling.

     

  • Anonymous

    Mitt seems to be doing a little better tonight. He should keep the argument about business……Something he knows.

  • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

    Mitt is kicking Newt’s ass on the Freddie Mac.  Newt looks stunned.

  • Jrterrier

    i like ron paul.

  • Jrterrier

    newt is a mere mortal without the applause. 

  • Jrterrier

    santorum to paul, it’s not 1982.  cuban, guatemalans and nicaraguans.  wasn’t that iran-contra?  sure sounds like 1982.

  • beachnan

    So sorry for your loss.  I lost mine two years ago.  Time heals, but there will always be a hole in your heart.  Peace to you and your family.

  • Guest

    Thank goodness.

  • Anonymous

    It has been that way since the dawn of man. Good luck with universal thing.

  • Anonymous

    What’s the matter Popsmoke? This house of blue lights not skanky enough for ya?

    Their givin away Cuban cigars away for free at the one down the block…ya still have to pay to get in.

  • Anonymous

    True that Harp. Hasn’t he ever yelled at his kids? Geez.

  • Anonymous

    Please sight instances of where Mitt Romey has been an SOB. We damn well know Obama is 24/7.

    Like Popsmoke wants…details.

  • Anonymous

    “U.S., so how does that help U.S. energy security?”
     
    You have to ask? http://fossil.energy.gov/programs/reserves/spr/
     
    The oil is Canadian, not the property of the US. Thats said…the right of way isn’t free.

    On Nov. 14, TransCanada announced it supports proposed legislation within the State of Nebraska to move the Keystone XL pipeline project forward. If passed, this legislation, introduced the same day in the State legislature, will ensure a pipeline route will be developed in Nebraska that avoids the Sandhills.

    They were working with the state of Kansas untill BO used it for political ends.
     

    In what has been interpreted as a virtual green light for the project, a State Department report in August concluded that the pipeline would have minimum environmental impact if operated under federal regulations.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/us/transcanada-in-eminent-domain-fight-over-pipeline.html?pagewanted=all

    The eminent domain thing ? Ugly.

  • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew J. Weaver

    Who the heck is Buddy Roemer and why are one or more people repeatedly trying to insert them into the discussion about 2012? Shall we also talk about Lyndon LaRoche? Seriously, can we stay focused on defeating Obama, which means discussing Romney, Paul, Santorum, and Gingrich?

  • Anonymous

    OT, what’s up with this?
     
    In a criminal complaint filed on Monday, the Federal Bureau of Investigation accused John Kiriakou, the former C.I.A. officer, of disclosing the identity of a C.I.A. analyst who worked on a 2002 operation that located and interrogated Abu Zubaydah. The journalists included a New York Times reporter, it alleged.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/24/us/ex-cia-officer-john-kiriakou-accused-in-leak.html?_r=1&src=un&feedurl=http%3A%2F%2Fjson8.nytimes.com%2Fpages%2Fnational%2Findex.jsonp

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002509315863 Kata Kimbe

    CBS News/NYT, 1/12-17

    Newt Gingrich: Fav 17, Unfav 49
    Mitt Romney: Fav 21, Unfav 35
    Barack Obama: Fav 38, Unfav 45

    Fox News, 1/12-14

    Newt Gingrich: Fav 27, Unfav 56
    Mitt Romney: Fav 45, Unfav 38
    Barack Obama: Fav 51, Unfav 46

    CNN, 1/11-12

    Newt Gingrich: Fav 28, Unfav 58
    Mitt Romney: Fav 43, Unfav 42
    Barack Obama: Fav 49, Unfav 49
     
    Too bad Obama’s Unfav ratings are higher than Romney’s.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002509315863 Kata Kimbe

    They want to make sure Newt is the candidate.  Same thing goes for the Unions… they are hitting big on Romney for a reason.

  • http://uhscuseme.wordpress.com/ Pat Riot

    Romney won the debate. Santorum did well for himself. But damn, he is boring as hell. Gingrich took some real hits and tried to act as if it didn’t happen. The look on Callista’s face kinda said it all. Even she knew he got what he deserved. Paul is starting to piss me off. I really like him.

  • BINKY

    I don’t hate success and I don’t “hate” Romney.  I don’t trust him and like you, he’s not my personal preference.  But something does trouble me…and that’s a tax code that gives the wealthy like Romney and venture capitalists unfair advantage over those who work for a wage.  What I’m talking about is something I learned today about private equity and the tax loop-holes.  I refer you to the article in New Yorker:  ”The real reason that we should be concerned about private equity’s expanding power lies in the way these firms have become increasingly adept at using financial gimmicks to line their pockets, deriving enormous wealth not from management or investing skills but, rather, from the way the U.S. tax system works. . . The money that Mitt Romney made when he was at Bain Capital was compensation for his (apparently excellent) work, but, instead of being taxed as income, it was taxed as a capital gain. It’s a very cozy arrangement. . .”

    If interested, you’ll want to read the whole article.
    I believe in capitalism and the free market system, but the rules via tax code should be fair to all.Read more http://www.newyorker.com/talk/financial/2012/01/30/120130ta_talk_surowiecki#ixzz1kLlyHee6

  • BINKY

    venture capitalists, I meant private equity firms like Bain.

  • Scottymac54

    Santorum was cracking me up.  He starts off, trying to be, oh, so mellow, and he’s sounding better than he usually does.

    Then Terri Schiavo is mentioned and….CLICK!

    From that point forward, it looks like there’s a dog growling inside his head.  Even though he did the best he could to contain himself, he’s just in “Mr. SnarlyFace” mode for the rest of the debate, and there’s nothing he can do about it, because it’s just who he is and what he’s about.

    Gingrich is Gingrich….BUT, his remarks on “English Only” perfectly captured my opinions on the subject.  Unfortunately, I’d never trust him to actually go forward and follow through with his statements.

    He’s like a chameleon.  He knows how to change colors to blend with whatever ideological decor he’s surrounded with at the moment, he doesn’t even have to think, before he speaks.

    It’s seamless.  He’s been doing it his whole political life.

    I thought Dr. Paul was sharp as a tack and on target tonight.  This might have been my favorite debate of his.

    I think, out of sheer practice of having served so many years and being able to shoot from the hip, he’s confident and seems unscripted, because he is.

    He has a much easier time of this than the other guys do.

    Romney?  He’s hard to figure out, IMHO.  His answers still sound too much like recitations, although you can tell he’s been working on that.  I still have the sense of him being too one-dimensional, unable to break out of the “businessman” box.

    That said, I’ve been seeing a lot of totally anti-Romney comments on other blogs and hearing a few tirades, and I’m sorry….he’s just not as bad as he’s being painted.

    I think he’s become a receptacle for conservative frustration but the level of invective is too over the top, and they’re still throwing out those litmus tests, instead of seeing him as someone it would be possible to work with.

  • Scottymac54

    If the GOP puts West in as VP, we’d might as well just cancel the election, because Barky would be guaranteed reelection and the Republican Party would be called upon to just disband themselves, out of sheer incompetence.

    I would think you’d welcome such a possibility.

  • Anonymous

    Just attack the media and we’re at your feet
    By Mona Charen
    But really South Carolina — a whooping ovation for Gingrich’s denunciation of John King? King asked a perfectly legitimate question. It was Marianne Gingrich, not “the liberal media” who made this a story. Gingrich knows this perfectly well, but he can turn a hangnail into a conspiracy by the media. And so he crafted his reply to leave the second Mrs. Gingrich’s agency out of it entirely. “To take an ex-wife and make it two days before the primary, a significant question in a presidential campaign, is as close to despicable as anything I can imagine.”"Every person in here has had someone close to them go through painful things,” Gingrich added, as if he were the wounded party.Sorry, but it’s impossible to sit still for that kind of cynical manipulation of an audience. Gingrich is not just someone who has “gone through painful things.” Instead, he has inflicted pain quite promiscuously to those nearest him and justified it because he was destined for greater things. He cheated on his first wife, Jackie, and then divorced her while she was fighting cancer, telling a friend that she was neither “young nor pretty enough” to be the wife of a president. Jackie was obliged to petition the court to enforce child support and alimony orders. Gingrich later peddled the story that it was she who had wanted the divorce. “He can say that we’d been talking about it for 10 years,” she told the Washington Post in 1985, “but it came as a complete surprise.”

    More: http://townhall.com/columnists/monacharen/2012/01/24/just_attack_the_media_and_were_at_your_feet

  • Anonymous

    Great assessment!

  • Anonymous

    Romney paid 6.2 million in taxes – gave even more to charity
    More: http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2012/01/24/breaking_romney_paid_62_million_in_taxes_over_last_two_years_gave_even_more_to_charity

    Omigod, Romney is a very rich man who paid a lot of taxes and gave a lot to charity. Let’s string the evil bastard up!

  • Anonymous

    I don’t normally get my panties in a twist over talk about this kind of thing. But when ABC gives this man a stage to tell us in no uncertain terms what they think, well, I do believe we should listen to them.

    In an interview Sunday on ABC’s “This Week,”British radical Muslim activist Anjem Choudarymade clear what he and his Islamist brothers have planned for the West. 

    “We do believe, as Muslims, the East and the West will one day be governed by the Shariah,” he said. “Indeed, we believe that one day, the flag of Islam will fly over the White House.” 

    He then quoted a hadith, or saying of Muhammad, as related by 10th-century Muslim scholar Al-Tabarani, that “the final hour will not come until Muslims conquer the White House.”

    Another version of the saying goes, “A small portion of Muslims will rise and conquer the White House.”

    Must read full column:

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/oct/4/islamic-flag-over-the-white-house/

  • Anonymous

    Evangelicals are BIG GOVERNMENT advocates who love government intrusion into people’s lives when it suits their agenda. THAT IS A LIBERAL policy position, folks, not a conservative one. 

    Very good point, Pat, thanks for highlighting it. 

  • Anonymous

    Watching Republicans defend G.W. Bush for 8 years taught me a very hard lesson: There is no end to the capacity for hypocrisy among Republican voters.

    I thought they had learned their lesson after Obama was elected; but clearly that is not the case. I am dismayed and disheartened to see how NEWT GINGRICH of all people is carrying the day with GOP voters. No, those aren’t the appropriate words. The appropriate word is “APPALLED.” 

    I am APPALLED that anyone would give Newt Gingrich a vote–knowing what we know all too well about this man!

    It is a very SAD statement of the mindset and the mood out here in America. I am not joking when I say that economic crisis brings out the most dangerous election results. It happened in Germany in the ’30s and it is happening before our eyes in America today! Dangerous manipulative demogogues and despots know how to use emotional appeals to stupid, non-thinking people who eat up the red meat they toss at them. They discover all too late that they followed these hideous psychopaths down the road to hell. 

  • Anonymous

    Charen is so right; and the entire SC debacle has been CRINGEWORTHY. These idiots in SC have embarrassed the entire Republican Party. I read their comments on right-wing sites and I am shocked people could be so stupid, so short-sighted, so IGNORANT of how they are being manipulated. 

  • http://uhscuseme.wordpress.com/ Pat Riot

    I like this part best:

    “All I can say is when you’ve been talking about divorce for 11 years . .
    . and the other person doesn’t want a divorce, I’m not sure there is
    any sensitive way to handle it.”

    So what, he decided to use the most insensitive way?

  • Anonymous

    They’ve certainly embarrassed themselves. Because anytime they ever again mention “family values” people have a perfect right to laugh in their faces.

    Someone smarts off to a media type, and in doing so doesn’t answer the question, or spins it like a top, and they are a hero. What absolute b.s.!

  • Lisa

    I think we all see what we want to see.  I thought that Newt  was able to handle himself well.  Romney rambled.  I found out after the debate that Romney has investments in Fanny  and Freddie.  After the Florida debate, NBC commented that Newt handled himself very presidentially – he did not implode like everyone expected. 

  • Anonymous

    Wow go Tim Thomas…I am not a sports fan. But am wondering if all the other presidents did all of these similar activities with other top team members. Since Obama came into office it’s almost as if I hear more about sports than politics. It seems that Obama has more members of the top sports teams at the WH than visiting dignitaries or politicians to try and settle the world’s or our country’s problems.
    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/tim-thomas-obama-snub-not-politics-party-free-233559431.html
    This is quote from Tim Thomas of Boston Bruins.
    “I believe the Federal government has grown out of control, threatening the Rights, Liberties, and Property of the People.
    “This is being done at the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial level. This is in direct opposition to the Constitution and the Founding Fathers vision for the Federal government.
    “Because I believe this, today I exercised my right as a Free Citizen, and did not visit the White House. This was not about politics or party, as in my opinion both parties are responsible for the situation we are in as a country. This was about a choice I had to make as an INDIVIDUAL.
    “This is the only public statement I will be making on this topic. TT”

  • Anonymous

    thanks beach…

  • Anonymous

    If he is a good Mormon…at least 10% of his income went to the church which is considered charity.
    If you look at most of the people in the very high income brackets charity is a way to help ease the tax burden.
    I am still trying to figure out my state.  We get $50/100 off the top of our taxes owned for the first $50/100 we donate for a political candidate. On tax returns one gets the first $50 if single and first $100 if married.  There is no tax break like this for charities, which I would rather see done.

  • PA

    A number to pay attention to is the gap between favorability and unfavorable. That is what most pay attention to who know what they are talking about.

    CBS/NYT you quote above.

    Gingrich 17 Fav less 49 Unfav = 32 point spread which is a huge gap

    Romney 21% Fav less 35% Unfav = 14 points

    Obama 38% Fav less 45% Unfav = 7 points

    Obama clearly has a much much better Favorability to UnFavorable ratio than both Gingrich and Romney.

    Obama average favorability of your three polls is:

    (38+51+49)/3 = 46

    Romney average favorability is:

    (21+45+43)/3 = 36

    Favorability is a better metric to look at rather than unfavorablity to determine how many votes you can get.

    It is a wonder that Romney does not have a much higher favorability rating than Obama, given Romney has had to make zero tough decisions over the last bunch of years as he has sat on his ass and has had 4 years to make people like him. Obama has had to make plenty of tough decisions and operates in the tough economic environment where all incumbents are getting trashed.

    The numbers tell us that Romney has an uphill battle versus Obama.

  • PA

    Where exactly has the DNC and the Unions been attacking Romney? They have been doing practically zero advertising. Why would they waste their money doing that when half the Republican Party is attacking Romney. Do you have proof or examples of where the DNC or Unions are actually attacking Romney?

  • PA

    Where exactly has the DNC and the Unions been attacking Romney? They have been doing practically zero advertising. Why would they waste their money doing that when half the Republican Party is attacking Romney. Do you have proof or examples of where the DNC or Unions are actually attacking Romney?

  • Anonymous

    You don’t now shit all of what I would welcome and I made no comment regarding Allen West.

    Like I said, Piss Off.

  • Scottymac54

    This morning, on Curtis Sliwa’s show they had on Bob Dornan, former Rep. during Gingrich’s own “Boss Hogg” days.  I vaguely remember him as a little off the wall myself, but he’s billing himself as Gingrich’s worst nightmare, come to life.

    Well, for fifteen minutes, he rattled off an eye-popping litany of frauds, chicanaries, and other abuses.  He kept yelling “Ann Manning and Gingrich”, Google it,” LOL!  (Evidently, Manning was another one-nighter in the seventies).

    I was left with the impression that, if half of these accusations were true, Newt’s lucky the statute of limitations has run out, because there’s no rational way he could have gone on, for even as long as he was, without someone dropping a dime on him.

    There’s NO way your average evangelical voter could justify voting for him, if they heard this list and heard how fundamentally ungrounded he is to their values.

  • Scottymac54

    I wasn’t answering you, I was addressing PA, I don’t give a fuck about what you think anyway, and, if you don’t want to read what I have to say, skip over and ignore, shut your hole, or go join your old southern-fried moron douchebag cronies, elsewhere.

    Asshole.

  • Scottymac54

    Why would you fear a brokered convention?

    The primaries have just started, and Gingrich is likely to have little to no appeal with independents going forward.

  • Scottymac54

    “The money that Mitt Romney made when he was at Bain Capital was compensation for his (apparently excellent) work, but, instead of being taxed as income, it was taxed as a capital gain. It’s a very cozy arrangement. . .”
    So true.  That’s why it was revealing when he reminded us that he’d be paying zero under zero capital gains….

    It’s amazing, how we are having to learn to question them, using very specific parameters, as the political establishment has gotten so good at deflecting, and the media gets into the act with creative (and sometimes just careless) editing.

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