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		<title>By: Scottymac54</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scottymac54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 02:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The money that Mitt Romney made when he was at Bain Capital was compensation for  his (apparently excellent) work, but, instead of being taxed as income, it was  taxed as a capital gain. It’s a very cozy arrangement. . .&quot;
So true.  That&#039;s why it was revealing when he reminded us that he&#039;d be paying zero under zero capital gains....

It&#039;s amazing, how we are having to learn to question them, using very specific parameters, as the political establishment has gotten so good at deflecting, and the media gets into the act with creative (and sometimes just careless) editing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The money that Mitt Romney made when he was at Bain Capital was compensation for  his (apparently excellent) work, but, instead of being taxed as income, it was  taxed as a capital gain. It’s a very cozy arrangement. . .&#8221;<br />
So true.  That&#8217;s why it was revealing when he reminded us that he&#8217;d be paying zero under zero capital gains&#8230;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing, how we are having to learn to question them, using very specific parameters, as the political establishment has gotten so good at deflecting, and the media gets into the act with creative (and sometimes just careless) editing.</p>
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		<title>By: Scottymac54</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scottymac54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 02:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would you fear a brokered convention?

The primaries have just started, and Gingrich is likely to have little to no appeal with independents going forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would you fear a brokered convention?</p>
<p>The primaries have just started, and Gingrich is likely to have little to no appeal with independents going forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Scottymac54</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scottymac54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 02:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t answering you, I was addressing PA, I don&#039;t give a fuck about what you think anyway, and, if you don&#039;t want to read what I have to say, skip over and ignore, shut your hole, or go join your old southern-fried moron douchebag cronies, elsewhere.

Asshole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t answering you, I was addressing PA, I don&#8217;t give a fuck about what you think anyway, and, if you don&#8217;t want to read what I have to say, skip over and ignore, shut your hole, or go join your old southern-fried moron douchebag cronies, elsewhere.</p>
<p>Asshole.</p>
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		<title>By: Scottymac54</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/64571/romney-on-the-stump-today-open-thread/#comment-1560134</link>
		<dc:creator>Scottymac54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This morning, on Curtis Sliwa&#039;s show they had on Bob Dornan, former Rep. during Gingrich&#039;s own &quot;Boss Hogg&quot; days.  I vaguely remember him as a little off the wall myself, but he&#039;s billing himself as Gingrich&#039;s worst nightmare, come to life.

Well, for fifteen minutes, he rattled off an eye-popping litany of frauds, chicanaries, and other abuses.  He kept yelling &quot;Ann Manning and Gingrich&quot;, Google it,&quot; LOL!  (Evidently, Manning was another one-nighter in the seventies).

I was left with the impression that, if half of these accusations were true, Newt&#039;s lucky the statute of limitations has run out, because there&#039;s no rational way he could have gone on, for even as long as he was, without someone dropping a dime on him.

There&#039;s NO way your average evangelical voter could justify voting for him, if they heard this list and heard how fundamentally ungrounded he is to their values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This morning, on Curtis Sliwa&#8217;s show they had on Bob Dornan, former Rep. during Gingrich&#8217;s own &#8220;Boss Hogg&#8221; days.  I vaguely remember him as a little off the wall myself, but he&#8217;s billing himself as Gingrich&#8217;s worst nightmare, come to life.</p>
<p>Well, for fifteen minutes, he rattled off an eye-popping litany of frauds, chicanaries, and other abuses.  He kept yelling &#8220;Ann Manning and Gingrich&#8221;, Google it,&#8221; LOL!  (Evidently, Manning was another one-nighter in the seventies).</p>
<p>I was left with the impression that, if half of these accusations were true, Newt&#8217;s lucky the statute of limitations has run out, because there&#8217;s no rational way he could have gone on, for even as long as he was, without someone dropping a dime on him.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s NO way your average evangelical voter could justify voting for him, if they heard this list and heard how fundamentally ungrounded he is to their values.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 19:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t now shit all of what I would welcome and I made no comment regarding Allen West.

Like I said, Piss Off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t now shit all of what I would welcome and I made no comment regarding Allen West.</p>
<p>Like I said, Piss Off.</p>
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		<title>By: PA</title>
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		<dc:creator>PA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where exactly has the DNC and the Unions been attacking Romney? They have been doing practically zero advertising. Why would they waste their money doing that when half the Republican Party is attacking Romney. Do you have proof or examples of where the DNC or Unions are actually attacking Romney?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where exactly has the DNC and the Unions been attacking Romney? They have been doing practically zero advertising. Why would they waste their money doing that when half the Republican Party is attacking Romney. Do you have proof or examples of where the DNC or Unions are actually attacking Romney?</p>
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		<title>By: PA</title>
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		<dc:creator>PA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where exactly has the DNC and the Unions been attacking Romney? They have been doing practically zero advertising. Why would they waste their money doing that when half the Republican Party is attacking Romney. Do you have proof or examples of where the DNC or Unions are actually attacking Romney?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where exactly has the DNC and the Unions been attacking Romney? They have been doing practically zero advertising. Why would they waste their money doing that when half the Republican Party is attacking Romney. Do you have proof or examples of where the DNC or Unions are actually attacking Romney?</p>
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		<title>By: PA</title>
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		<dc:creator>PA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A number to pay attention to is the gap between favorability and unfavorable. That is what most pay attention to who know what they are talking about.

CBS/NYT you quote above. 

Gingrich 17 Fav less 49 Unfav = 32 point spread which is a huge gap

Romney 21% Fav less 35% Unfav = 14 points

Obama 38% Fav less 45% Unfav = 7 points

Obama clearly has a much much better Favorability to UnFavorable ratio than both Gingrich and Romney.

Obama average favorability of your three polls is:

(38+51+49)/3 = 46

Romney average favorability is:

(21+45+43)/3 = 36

Favorability is a better metric to look at rather than unfavorablity to determine how many votes you can get. 

It is a wonder that Romney does not have a much higher favorability rating than Obama, given Romney has had to make zero tough decisions over the last bunch of years as he has sat on his ass and has had 4 years to make people like him. Obama has had to make plenty of tough decisions and operates in the tough economic environment where all incumbents are getting trashed. 

The numbers tell us that Romney has an uphill battle versus Obama. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A number to pay attention to is the gap between favorability and unfavorable. That is what most pay attention to who know what they are talking about.</p>
<p>CBS/NYT you quote above. </p>
<p>Gingrich 17 Fav less 49 Unfav = 32 point spread which is a huge gap</p>
<p>Romney 21% Fav less 35% Unfav = 14 points</p>
<p>Obama 38% Fav less 45% Unfav = 7 points</p>
<p>Obama clearly has a much much better Favorability to UnFavorable ratio than both Gingrich and Romney.</p>
<p>Obama average favorability of your three polls is:</p>
<p>(38+51+49)/3 = 46</p>
<p>Romney average favorability is:</p>
<p>(21+45+43)/3 = 36</p>
<p>Favorability is a better metric to look at rather than unfavorablity to determine how many votes you can get. </p>
<p>It is a wonder that Romney does not have a much higher favorability rating than Obama, given Romney has had to make zero tough decisions over the last bunch of years as he has sat on his ass and has had 4 years to make people like him. Obama has had to make plenty of tough decisions and operates in the tough economic environment where all incumbents are getting trashed. </p>
<p>The numbers tell us that Romney has an uphill battle versus Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he is a good Mormon...at least 10% of his income went to the church which is considered charity.
If you look at most of the people in the very high income brackets charity is a way to help ease the tax burden.
I am still trying to figure out my state.  We get $50/100 off the top of our taxes owned for the first $50/100 we donate for a political candidate. On tax returns one gets the first $50 if single and first $100 if married.  There is no tax break like this for charities, which I would rather see done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he is a good Mormon&#8230;at least 10% of his income went to the church which is considered charity.<br />
If you look at most of the people in the very high income brackets charity is a way to help ease the tax burden.<br />
I am still trying to figure out my state.  We get $50/100 off the top of our taxes owned for the first $50/100 we donate for a political candidate. On tax returns one gets the first $50 if single and first $100 if married.  There is no tax break like this for charities, which I would rather see done.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks beach...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks beach&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow go Tim Thomas...I am not a sports fan.  But am wondering if all the other presidents did all of these similar activities with other top team members.  Since Obama came into office it&#039;s almost as if I hear more about sports than politics.  It seems that Obama has more members of the top sports teams at the WH than visiting dignitaries or politicians to try and settle the world&#039;s or our country&#039;s problems. 
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/tim-thomas-obama-snub-not-politics-party-free-233559431.html
This is quote from Tim Thomas of Boston Bruins.
 &quot;I believe the Federal government has grown out of control, threatening the Rights, Liberties, and Property of the People.
&quot;This is being done at the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial level. This is in direct opposition to the Constitution and the Founding Fathers vision for the Federal government.
&quot;Because I believe this, today I exercised my right as a Free Citizen, and did not visit the White House. This was not about politics or party, as in my opinion both parties are responsible for the situation we are in as a country. This was about a choice I had to make as an INDIVIDUAL.
&quot;This is the only public statement I will be making on this topic. TT&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow go Tim Thomas&#8230;I am not a sports fan.  But am wondering if all the other presidents did all of these similar activities with other top team members.  Since Obama came into office it&#8217;s almost as if I hear more about sports than politics.  It seems that Obama has more members of the top sports teams at the WH than visiting dignitaries or politicians to try and settle the world&#8217;s or our country&#8217;s problems.<br />
<a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/tim-thomas-obama-snub-not-politics-party-free-233559431.html" rel="nofollow">http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/tim-thomas-obama-snub-not-politics-party-free-233559431.html</a><br />
This is quote from Tim Thomas of Boston Bruins.<br />
 &#8220;I believe the Federal government has grown out of control, threatening the Rights, Liberties, and Property of the People.<br />
&#8220;This is being done at the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial level. This is in direct opposition to the Constitution and the Founding Fathers vision for the Federal government.<br />
&#8220;Because I believe this, today I exercised my right as a Free Citizen, and did not visit the White House. This was not about politics or party, as in my opinion both parties are responsible for the situation we are in as a country. This was about a choice I had to make as an INDIVIDUAL.<br />
&#8220;This is the only public statement I will be making on this topic. TT&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we all see what we want to see.  I thought that Newt  was able to handle himself well.  Romney rambled.  I found out after the debate that Romney has investments in Fanny  and Freddie.  After the Florida debate, NBC commented that Newt handled himself very presidentially - he did not implode like everyone expected.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we all see what we want to see.  I thought that Newt  was able to handle himself well.  Romney rambled.  I found out after the debate that Romney has investments in Fanny  and Freddie.  After the Florida debate, NBC commented that Newt handled himself very presidentially &#8211; he did not implode like everyone expected. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;ve certainly embarrassed themselves. Because anytime they ever again mention &quot;family values&quot; people have a perfect right to laugh in their faces.

Someone smarts off to a media type, and in doing so doesn&#039;t answer the question, or spins it like a top, and they are a hero. What absolute b.s.!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;ve certainly embarrassed themselves. Because anytime they ever again mention &#8220;family values&#8221; people have a perfect right to laugh in their faces.</p>
<p>Someone smarts off to a media type, and in doing so doesn&#8217;t answer the question, or spins it like a top, and they are a hero. What absolute b.s.!</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Riot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Riot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this part best:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;All I can say is when you&#039;ve been talking about divorce for 11 years . .
 . and the other person doesn&#039;t want a divorce, I&#039;m not sure there is 
any sensitive way to handle it.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So what, he decided to use the most insensitive way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this part best:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;All I can say is when you&#8217;ve been talking about divorce for 11 years . .<br />
 . and the other person doesn&#8217;t want a divorce, I&#8217;m not sure there is<br />
any sensitive way to handle it.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>So what, he decided to use the most insensitive way?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charen is so right; and the entire SC debacle has been CRINGEWORTHY. These idiots in SC have embarrassed the entire Republican Party. I read their comments on right-wing sites and I am shocked people could be so stupid, so short-sighted, so IGNORANT of how they are being manipulated. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charen is so right; and the entire SC debacle has been CRINGEWORTHY. These idiots in SC have embarrassed the entire Republican Party. I read their comments on right-wing sites and I am shocked people could be so stupid, so short-sighted, so IGNORANT of how they are being manipulated. </p>
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