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The Curious Conservative Civil War

Are you a “conservative?” If so, help us out here and explain just what that is. Newt Gingrich is furiously trying to make the case that he is a Washington outsider and a true blue conservative. Meanwhile, Mitt Romney, who has never served in Washington is being portrayed by Gingrich supporters as the consummate Washington Insider. That is the pathetic state of what passes for conservatism these days. Let’s be clear about one thing–Gingrich has grown rich based on his Washington experience and ties. If he had not been Speaker of the House he would not have the clout he has.

Then there are the repeated “grandiose” comments by Newt that raise real questions about his support of so-called conservatives. He did harshly criticize Ronald Reagan and his policies in the 1980s. The quotes are what the quotes are. Newt sat with Nancy Pelosi and pressed the need to do something about global warming aka climate change. Newt trashed Paul Ryan’s visionary plan to get entitlement spending under control.

My point? For conservatives to bitch that Mitt Romney is a pretender and that Newt is the real deal is just delusional and crazy. How about a little intellectual consistency?

Is Mitt Romney a conservative? Well, if his past support of Paul Tsongas is the litmus test, no. Did he pander to moderates in Massachusetts in order to get elected Governor? Yes. Mitt does not have a record of being a bed rock ideological conservative. However, in terms of his fiscal policies? He has been conservative. He is not reflexively thinking about expanding government programs and increasing Federal spending. That is a big contrast with Newt.

Given all this I am thoroughly impressed by the parade of arch-conservatives like Ann Coulter, Elliot Abrams, R. Emmet Tyrell and others who are trashing Newt. For those who have not been in the Washington DC Republican political circles over the last 30 years it is difficult for you to appreciate how toxic and dysfunctional Newt is. Newt has done an amazing job of reinventing himself as a rebel outsider, but that is a pure lie. Many of Newt’s political enemies, especially those who are conservatives, remember how he sold out conservatives at critical junctures. They remember how Newt would do anything to advance the cause and career of Newt. Those are the traits that have fired up many conservatives to speak out about the dangers of Newt.

Not looking good for Newt, especially after his debacle in the debate last night. The Business Insider reports:

Romney managed to sound both more conservative in the substance of his immigration plan, and more temperate about the issue overall.

Later, Gingrich was invited to attack Romney’s wealth. He tried to say that Romney had made money from investments in mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, so Newt’s involvement isn’t so different.

Big mistake.

Romney pointed out that Gingrich had a similar portfolio but that owning a mutual fund that invests in them is different from consulting and shilling for them. In other words, I may indirectly own a little Freddie Mac. But Freddie Mac leased you.

Romney looked in command the whole time. Gingrich looked tired.

Halfway through the debate, Gingrich almost tried to retreat into his old tactic of calling for a truce among the candidates.

It was a pathetic showing for Gingrich. Romney was more righteously indignant and in command. Santorum was more conservative. And Ron Paul was delivering better one-liners.

I voted early in Florida and voted for Romney. I registered as a Republican in December so I could vote in the primary. Several friends who are Republican also voted early and voted for Romney. I don’t know a single person who voted early for Gingrich (I’m sure there are some). My point? Romney as a pretty size-able lead in the early voting.

My Florida friends who live in various parts of the state are keeping me posted on what they are seeing and hearing on TV and radio. Here’s my buddy in the Sarasota/Tampa area reporting on the latest ads:

They have a couple of new ones out. One shows multiple images of Newt saying I made a mistake on whatever, then I made a mistake on this, I made a mistake on that etc. it ends with haven’t we had enough mistakes.

The second one shows Newt saying I worked with Ronald Reagan and then say he has dropped his name in over 50 situations while Reagan only mentions Newt once in his memoirs and then only to say he rejected Newt’s ideas as being detrimental to the US.

It looks like Romney’s ads are about 85-90% negative against Newt. Newt is about 50-50% negative against Romney and 50% positive (like I created over 11 million jobs in the 90’s etc.). I think most folks are getting very tired over the negative ads and want to know the candidates’ stance on the issues and how they would attack the nation’s problems. Actually Newt’s positive ads look very good and if I didn’t know what type of person he is and what happened in the early 90’s I would think Newt has a very strong message and is quite attractive.

Newt still may have a chance to pull of an upset but it looks increasingly unlikely. If Newt wins the Republicans are in real trouble. They don’t have a viable, tested alternative to Romney and Newt cannot win a national election. He has too much baggage. We will have a clearer picture next Tuesday. I just wonder what will be left of the so-called conservative base.

  • Anonymous

    Larry. Mitt will win for sure if this happens.

    The Hispanic Republican political world is buzzing with talk that
    Puerto Rico’s governor, Luis Fortuño, has been in talks with Mitt
    Romney
    for an endorsement – and sources tell The Miami Herald he could swing
    his support as early as tomorrow in Orlando.Romney’s campaign wouldn’t comment.

    Friday would be a perfect day for an endorsement for Romney, who’s
    attending the Hispanic Leadership Network forum tomorrow in Doral before
    he heads to Orlando – seat of Orange County, which has one of the
    largest Puerto Rican Republican communities in the state. More
    than 21,000 Hispanic Republicans live in the county, about 11 percent of
    the registered GOP. Nearby Osceola County has more than 8,500
    registered Hispanic Republicans – about 21 percent of the GOP. It’s
    unclear how many are of Puerto Rican descent.Romney has
    scheduled a 6:15 p.m. press conference in Orlando. Said one Republican
    about a potential Fortuño endorsement: “This should happen.”

    Said another: “It’s 99.9 percent going to happen.”
    Read
    more here:
    http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2012/01/source-puerto-rico-gov-luis-fortu%C3%B1o-considering-romney-endorsement.html#storylink=cpy

    http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2012/01/source-puerto-rico-gov-luis-fortu%C3%B1o-considering-romney-endorsement.html

  • Anonymous

    . They don’t have a viable, tested alternative to Romney and Newt cannot win a national election.

    This is the meat of what you said. It is what it is and all the squawking in the world isn’t gonna change it.

    I’ve watched and listened and tried to figure who I thought would have the best chance to defeat Obama. Romney seemed a decent, moderate man who just might have enough business experience and know-how to pull us out of the mess our free-spending leaders, both left and right have gotten us into. It seemed to me that he had the best chance to defeat Obama. It seems to me that Gingrich has no chance to beat Obama. And so I support Romney as the best hope.

    I don’t know if he still has a chance. The negativity has been brutal and given that who wins or loses is up to Independents, who mostly don’t like the nastiness, he may have all ready been too badly damaged to win. My crystal ball isn’t working right now so I just don’t know.

  • PA

    LJ,

    Are you really going to try and make the case that Romney is more conservative than Gingrich. Come on. That is a joke. It is easy to check each of their records.

    “Did he pander to moderates”

    Romney was not pandering to moderates. Far from it. When he was Governor he was just not that conservative. Pick the issue.

    Gingrich’s voting record is far more conservative.

    There is no evidence that Romney is more fiscally conservative than Gingrich. Gingrich and the House that he lead did after all help Clinton balance the budget.

    The precise problem Romney has is that he is not, as you say, a “bed rock ideological conservative”. More than 50% of your party is looking exactly for a “bedrock ideological conservative”.

    However, the problems with Romney are much much deeper than how conservative he actually is. The bigger issues are that no one likes him or trusts him. He has taken ever side of every issue depending on the audience he is talking too. He is therefore lacking of principal. In addition, even Conversatives are not looking to vote for an Establishment 1% Wall Streeter. His Mormon religion also frightens a lot of people.

    Newt is a far terrible candidate than Romney, but don’t try to sell Romney as a “conservative”.

    Romney is also a terrible candidate and I don’t think all of your NQ readers are supporters of Romney.

    In the most recent NBC/WSJ poll nationally Gingrich is way out in front of Romney.

    “Gingrich leads Romney 37 percent to 28 percent nationally among registered Republicans likely to vote in the primaries; Rick Santorum is in third with 18 percent, and Ron Paul is fourth with 12 percent.”

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/26/10245644-nbcwsj-poll-gingrich-leads-romney-but-badly-trails-obama

    But, nice Gingrich smear on NQ like what the GOP Establishment is trying to do. There is a good chance that the more the Establishment smears Gingrich the stronger he will become.

    If Santorium pulls out and a lot of those votes go to Gingrich then it is over and Gingrich will win.

  • Anonymous

    Analysis: Republican Romney back on track in White House race

    Less than a week after a stinging setback in
    South Carolina, Romney moved ahead of rival Newt Gingrich again in
    Florida polls on Thursday and turned in his strongest debate performance
    yet in a seesawing Republican presidential race.Three
    new polls showed Romney taking a solid 7- or 8-point lead in Florida
    hours before his confident and aggressive debate performance put
    Gingrich on the defensive repeatedly in their final showdown ahead of
    Tuesday’s state primary.”This was
    his best debate exactly when he needed it. Romney won the debate and he
    may well have won the primary,” Republican strategist Ron Bonjean said.http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/27/us-usa-campaign-romney-idUSTRE80Q0A020120127

  • Anonymous

    PA, I’m a little suspicious of an obvious obot Kool Aid drinker pushing Gingrich.  Is it because you fear Romney would have the better chance of defeating Obummer?

    It’s why on the MSM–especially that left-wing, bought and sold station msnbe they are pushing the idea that Gingrich is clearly the conservative choice.  (By the way, what are the poll numbers for who watches msnbe and what their audience rating is?)

  • PA

    I am not pushing either candidate, as both are terrible. I am just calling-out the BS and spin on how great Romney is.

    In the last week LJ has clearly made his choice for Romney. Now it is nothing but trash Gingrich and spin Romney on NQ. Old-school conservatives like LJ now want everyone to fall in line, but he forgets the revolution that Republicans have just gone through with a massive move to the right through its Tea Party, which I might add was helped along the way by NQ itself.

    LJ through NQ has helped to create a monster with his constant trashing of Obama and pushing the most far right conspiracies and now he will not take credit for it and expects everyone to go back and fall in line with establishment conservatives.

  • Anonymous

    Just four days before the nation’s first big-state presidential primary, former Massachusetts Gov.
    Mitt Romney opens up a 38 – 29 percent lead over former House Speaker Newt Gingrich among
    Republican likely voters in Florida, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.
    Only 6 percent are undecided, but 32 percent say they might change their mind by Tuesday.

    In today’s survey, men back Romney 36 – 29 percent, a shift from January 25, when men
    backed Gingrich 37 – 33 percent. Romney leads 40 – 30 percent among women, virtually
    unchanged.

    Romney gets a 61 – 28 percent favorability rating from likely primary voters, compared to
    50 – 38 percent favorable for Gingrich, 53 – 19 percent favorable for Santorum and a negative 35
    - 42 percent for Paul.

    http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/florida/release-detail?ReleaseID=1696

  • PA

    HARP2,

    You deserted the Tea Party pretty fast. Now the most un-Tea Party candidate Romney is your man, even though Palin, the one who you have had unwavering supported for on NQ for years, supports Gingrich. Funny stuff. No shame.

  • Anonymous

    The problem with the terms “conservative” and “liberal” is that they can carry so many meanings and connotations. I, as an ex-Dem, have a more “liberal” view of some issues–especially those where animal rights and environmental issues are concerned.  Heck, I also sometimes like social programs–as long as they can clearly show their effectiveness.  I’ll pay tax dollars for things like Head Start, etc. as long as those programs are managed well and checked for effectiveness.  However, I’ve also been all my life a more moderate liberal when it does come to economics.  I was raised too poor not to understand that we should not spend more than we earn or we’re going to be in big trouble down the road.  In that case then, social engineering has to be left by the wayside until we can afford it better.  It’s the way I do charity.  I am one of the first to give to my favorite charities when my budget is not tight.  I’ll give for those causes rather than buy something new for me with any extra money.  But, when my budget is tight, I pull the purse strings tighter.

    I am a conservative in terms of education.  There are many strides that have been made in teaching for special modern skills:  computers, technology, etc.  But, because our public schools were founded on the idea that we needed educated voters to keep our democratic republic safe, we are failing miserably, graduating students with almost no knowledge of history, no reading and writing skills past doing texting and sending out tweets.  Believe if or not, there is little in the way of deep thinking that can occur if you can’t also read and write in compound complex sentence structure.  And that is especially true if you have no knowledge except about the newest celebrity gossip or the latest sports figures.

    I am not a conservative at all if it means that the term applies to only those people who have been loyal to what has in the past been called the conservative cause.  That would mean that with my Democratic past I could never be considered a “conservative.”  I was always a bit put off by what I viewed as the “Old Boys’ Club” that seemed to run the show with the Republicans.  Maybe I just didn’t see it happening with the Dems though it was also true of them.  I certainly saw it in regard to the 2008 primary–there seemed to be much in the way of backroom string pulling then.

    I think it’s time to get rid of those terms and talk single issues and what makes sense in regard to them.  If there is some kind of ideological agenda evident in any argument, then I am against it.

    But, down to this election.  “It’s the economy, stupid.”

    The conservative in this race is the one who is NOT FOR BIG GOVERNMENT SPENDING.  It is not anyone who wants to play class warfare and pit people against each other in terms of taxes.  It is the one who wants to pay down the debt and build businesses and jobs.

  • Anonymous

    LOL, that’s what happens when you have independent thought, unlike the kool aid swigging Obots like yourself.

    If Obama thought it was awesome eating his own feces you would be here day in and day out telling us how wonderful your shit tastes.

  • Anonymous

    I would vote for Charles Manson if I thought he could beat that pussy assed thing you call a President.

  • PA

    All the hate is a complete mystery to me. I would love to understand all the hate for Obama. Does not make much sense. Obama has spent 3 years trying to clean up the mess left by your party.

  • Anonymous

    Apparently he is not up to job then.
    What a loser.

  • http://www.dwarfhamster.com/ dst

    ” I’m a little suspicious of an obvious obot Kool Aid drinker pushing Gingrich. Is it because you fear Romney would have the better chance of defeating
    Obummer?”
    In the past few months I’ve seen numerous
    Dem-pontiffs almost shedding tears for the poor Repub’s if they should nominate
    any other than MR. I never thought they were so concerned? Maybe they just want
    you to think that. That 3AM call which did not work for HC will
    be back in force, this time with the MSM far more supportive and didn’t Romney
    way back 4 years ago suggest he’d consult his lawyers or experts. Will there be
    some Oct-Surprise War vs. candidate against which Obama and crew will spend
    half a billon $’s showing him to be the ultimate flip/flopper and it will be
    one of the few honest things he/they would have done. He will be up against the
    man who decissivly killed OBL and few will have read “Your –LJ” comment from election night-

    “Obama
    takes an undeserved victory lap for finally ordering the hit on Osama Bin Laden.
    That is bullshit number one. He only agreed to do the strike after Leon Panetta, with the backing of Hillary Clinton and Bob Gates, vowed to report to
    Congress that Bin Laden had been located.
    Panetta wanted to do the strike in January 2011. Because of Obama’s waffling,
    he did not greenlight the strike until April.”
    Never thought I could say this and he’s no JFK, RR, WC but vs. Mitt I think I’d sleep better with BO.

  • waiting to vote

    Romney pointed out that Gingrich had a similar portfolio but that owning a mutual fund that invests in them is different from consulting and shilling for them. In other words, I may indirectly own a little Freddie Mac. But Freddie Mac leased you.
    LOL!  True dat.
    I’m not a conservative but, fiscally, I believe that I am.  When I hear Newt speaks, I’m shaking my head.  Really?  Attacking the media and being angry is getting old.  In some ways, his I-am-not-happy-if-I-don’t-get-my-way tantrums are reminding me of one Barrack Obama.

  • wylrae

    I sure hope Romney can live up to the expectations that are being created here and on other blogs; i.e., he is the only candidate who can possibly defeat Obama.  I don’t buy that.  I believe Obama will wipe the floor with Romney when  the Obamacare/Romneycare discussion is out there.  Also, I think there will be quite a bit made of a such a rich 1%er being president and unfortunately I expect we will hear about his religion being offshoot of some weird sect.  If the election was only about getting people back to work I might lean more in favor of Romney but I think we have other problems which need to be addressed also and I think someonewith the intellect to think outside the box is what we need.  I guess I don’t Newt as the true-blue conservative that LJ talks of but he most certainly is far more conservative than the Paul Tsongas supporting Romney.

    I too am not overly impressed by the field of candidates but I chose to support Newt because I think it is time we have someone in Washington D.C. who is going to shake things up and Romney certainly isn’t going to do that.  He certainly is not a conservative (and I have yet to be convinced he is even a fiscal conservative); I still see him as a weak moderate (somewhat more liberal than McCain).

    I am an ABOer so will vote for whomever the establishment decides the republican candidate is but I don’t buy into the thinking that we have to all independents to defeat Obama especially when it may come with losing a good number of conservative voters in the effort to garner independent votes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

    “For conservatives to bitch that Mitt Romney is a pretender and that Newt is the real deal is just delusional and crazy”

    Yes, it would seem that way — but there is a method to their madness. It is, in truth, the “Mormon” thing they can’t get over — and they can’t very well say “We don’t like Romney because he is a Mormon” so they say “Romeny-ness,” “Pretender” and “Washington insider” while, at the same time, making up outsider, conservative bona fides for Newt, all evidence to the contrary be damned.

    It’s the same reason they see the guy with 3 wives and multiple affairs (we are all “flawed” after all, they say) as a better protector of “family values” than the guy with the same wife for 43 years.

  • PA

    “Apparently he is not up to job then.”
    How do you figure? 

    I doubt McCain would have done a better job. McCain was too afraid to even go into Pakistan to take-out Bin Laden.

    Obama has done a heck of a job, particularly given the shit sandwich handed to him by Bush.

    Just economically the numbers tell a story of a significant turnaround since Obama took over. You cannot dispute the facts, but I guess you can stick your head in the sand or try and change the definition of the facts, as you do.

    > from 4Q08 -6.2% GDP to +2.8% GDP growth in 4Q11.

    this is a pretty impressive turnaround chart:

    http://www.taintedalpha.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/TaintedAlpha.com-U.S-GDP-28042011.gif

    > Job growth went from losing close to 800,000 a month to gaining 200,000 a month. That is a net swing in jobs of 1 million jobs amonth. 22 straight months of private sector job growth.

    this is another impressive turnaround chart:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/speakerpelosi/6647977025/sizes/z/in/photostream/

    and the unemployment rate has gone from 9.9% to 8.5%.

    And yet another impressive turnaround chart.

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate

    what exactly where you expecting?

    A miracle? 

    It is doubtful that all your Republican supply-side economics would have done any better.

    If it was not for all the obstruction by your GOP buddies I am sure the economy and the employment picture would be in even better shape.

    If you can show me a counter argument, I would love to hear it. So far nothing ever posted on NQ has been all that impressive.

  • PA

    The details of Romney’s offshore bank accounts have not really come out yet. That will be a bigger deal than people think.

    Could you imagine in 2008 if Obama had offshore bank accounts and what guys like LJ and NQ would have been saying.

    What a “patriot” Romney is with hiding his income overseas. I don’t think Ann Romney every lived in Switzerland.

  • Scottymac54

    To me, Pat Buchanan is one of a very few I recognize, is being my idea of a “real” conservative, so I guess I favor a paleoconservative mindset.

    This also leaves me shit out of luck, when shopping for a political ideology to latch onto, as I look at what the GOP is trotting out on a regular basis nowadays.

  • Anonymous

    2011 GDP: 1.7%

    That’s the final, pathetic growth number for 2011.

    From the just-released GDP report:

    Real GDP increased 1.7 percent in 2011 (that is, from the 2010 annual level to the 2011 annual level), compared with an increase of 3.0 percent in 2010.       

    The increase in real GDP in 2011
    primarily reflected positive contributions from personal consumption
    expenditures (PCE), exports, and nonresidential fixed investment that
    were partly offset by negative contributions from state and local
    government spending, private inventory investment, and federal
    government spending.  Imports, which are a subtraction in the
    calculation of GDP, increased.
    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/2011-gdp-2012-1#ixzz1khLQkDusIs President Obama Creating A Nation Of Dependents?Direct payments. The amount of money the federal
    government hands out in direct payments to individuals steadily
    increased over the past four decades, but shot up under Obama,
    climbing by almost $600 billion — a 32% increase — in his first three
    years. And Obama’s last budget called for these payments to climb
    another $500 billion by 2016, at which point they would account for
    fully two-thirds of all federal spending.http://news.investors.com/Article/598993/201201260805/entitlements-soar-under-president-obama.htmThe parent company of an electric car battery maker that received more
    than $100 million in government funding from the Obama administration
    has filed for bankruptcy protection, the company announced Thursday.
    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/ener1-parent-obama-backed-green-company-files-bankruptcy/story?id=15456414#.TyMdsPlAVPkYEP…HE IS A REAL PIECE OF CAKE.

  • Lupe

    To me a conservative is someone who promotes, either legislatively or by example, traditional family values anchored in traditional religious beliefs…..and who does not support or promote giving away national resources to any person, group or organization in exchange for nothing of value in return.  I am thinking of defense contractors, corporate raiders, hedge fund managers, illegals, welfare recipients, academics, non-profits, third-world freedom fighters, corrupt heads of state, banksters, real estate developers, agribusinesses, etc, etc…..all the places and people who reap the rewards of the enormous waste in the US budget. 

    I don’t think either Romney or Gingrich is a conservative in this sense.  I don’t even think Ron Paul is either.  Rick Santorum probably fits this view of a conservative better than the other Republican contenders.  At this point, I don’t know if I could vote for any of them even though I know for sure I would never vote for Obama. 

  • Graywolf98

    There’s a reason the Republican party is the stupid party.

  • PA

    I think you are more than a little confused.

    You are perfectly willing to hand the wheel over to the party that drove this country into the ditch?

    You are perfectly willing to vote for a party that has given us 30 years of supply-side economics and endless tax cuts that have reduced social mobility and massively increased income and wealth disparaty in this country. A party that’s main focus seems to be tax cuts for the rich while reducing the social safety net for the middle class.

    Like I said before, you are more than a little confused.

  • Ptab01

    Mr. Johnson I consider myself a conservative or at least a partition of one as I am sure you are aware Conservatives are just a divided as the liberals are. Fro
    Neo con to paleo con fiscal con to social con and a broad spectrum of in betweens cons so it rational to have such a wide range of personalities fighting for the title up there Gingrich is the bad boy who was run outta government and has aged the smoke filled backrooms the past decade. Romney is a financial con who has an on again off relationship w/ conservative leanings. His trouble has been consistency and the very real trouble of Romney care which is the template to the number one beat down stick on POTUS. Ron Paul is perhaps the closest to the original version of conservativism and yet there is much people such as myself do not agree w/ shutting down US military bases in Asia legalizing drugs and normalizing relations with Marion states that clearly can not stand
    Us Ans I can understand his positions more closely align w/ the ideology as it existed @ the turn of the 20th century we as a nation far removed from that for better or worse.

    Santorum is a Social conservative similar to Reagan but without the acting chops to make people feel at ease.

    I have not settled for anyone yet but recognize the traits each one
    Brings to the table that would help win election My trouble is I don’t believe any of them will effectively manage the presidency and the enormous uphill road we must go through to get things back in order &
    Then move forward…

    In other words I think we are pretty fucked

  • http://www.dwarfhamster.com/ dst

    The statement “the most un-Tea Party candidate Romney is your man” is an actual point that should be considered, you may believe it you may not but its a valid concept to consider whether or not SP agrees.

  • Anonymous

    LOL…

  • wylrae

    I too think those offshore accounts will come up but that will just be written off by LJ and others here as part of the blind trust investment operation and Romney had absolutely no knowledge of those.

  • wylrae

    Have to disagree with you on this  (and this is coming from a 40+ registered democrat who became an independent on May 31, 2008 — so was a registered democrat during GW administration).

    Logically would you not expect that in three years a sitting president could have improved the situation that existed when he took office?  How has Obama improved things?  Think the resounding response to the question “Are you better off than you were three years ago?” would be an overwhelming “Hell No” from the vast majority of citizens.

    IMHO not only has Obama not cleaned the mess left by your party (wasn’t my party then or now) but the mess has gotten worse.

  • yttik

    “Are you a conservative?”

    No, if I remember right, I’m actually a bitter small town gun clinger, a racist, and a Republican ratfu%er. I’m also a Clintonista, a Palinista, and member of the Dunkin Donuts crowd.

    I’m teasing but it should be obvious to everybody now why I’m not a Dem anymore.

    Larry, I completely understand Newt’s appeal. He’s done a better job of convincing people that he represents them, that he is like them. It’s not Newt’s fault that Romney has failed to try and connect with Tea Partiers, with the working poor. He is Willard Romney Mittens the Third, born with a silver spoon in his mouth and a smoking jacket. He’s an incredibly wealthy private investor. He needs to pull an Obama and emphasize the fact that he was really born in Detroit to a poor Morman woman on foodstamps. People don’t trust him, they aren’t convinced he’s going to represent them. Blame Newt, blame conservatives all you want, but it’s the Romney campaign’s fault.

  • Anonymous

    There is good rich and There is bad rich?
    Obama has many times used this 
    same tactic to rally his base.
    This is no different then what Newt is doing to Mitt,
    except Newt has wrapped it up in a fancy conservative
    bow tie.
    Newt – I am accomplished, yet a flawed person,
    and Mitt well he is big business and big money or 
    so what Newt would have us believe. 

    They have been cannibalizing each other.
    I have to be honest with you, it is a truly 
    amazing spectacle to watch.
     
    The GOP is now playing host to many different 
    people who do not consider them selves as true
    conservatives, me included, we are the walking 
    wounded, leftovers from the 2008 election, you 
    remember that “The DNC Dog and Pony Show.”
    So the conservative movement is still alive 
    and well, but now they have a new influx of 
    new people who are looking for a place inside 
    The Republican Party.

    I don’t consider myself a moderate and I am 
    not big on third parties but I am a person who because 
    of Obama and his minion that will never ever go 
    back to the Democratic Party!!!
    This has opened me up to a new appreciation for
    GOP favorites like, 
    West
    Rubio
    Palin
    Ryan 
    Brewer and I’m sure there are others…..

  • wylrae

    Pretty much is a description of me and my life also.

    as for: “we are failing miserably, graduating students with almost no knowledge of history, no reading and writing skills past doing texting and sending out tweets.” I have to disagree about the texting and sending out tweets.  With the way things are in text messages if the trend continues IMHO in a very few short years we will have a big bunch of people who won’t be able to spell or put together written thoughts which most will be able to understand.

    And the “Old Boys Club” sure rings a bell; hum, sure get that old feeling with Romney. 

    .

  • Anonymous

    So, PA–your true colors are showing.  In some posts you seem to try to pretend to push Gingrich, as if you are a political conservative.  But, as I said in a different comment in reply to you, all one has to do is one’s nose long enough to watch a few minutes of MSNBC or any of the other liberal-leaning news outlets to see that they, too, are pushing Gingrich.  The message is clear: they want him to win the nomination because they are frightened that a Romney nomination will mean they have lost their pipeline to the gas coming out of the WH, since they are Obummer’s pocket.

  • Anonymous

    Well, this assumes that some people will go in lock-step with whatever “the party” tells them. Been there, done that, clapped enthusiastically for every POS democrat that came down the pike, no matter how lame they were.

    I like Romney for many of the reasons Larry Johnson brings up, I don’t care if he’s not Sarah Palin’s officially blessed pick or not, even though I support Palin and the TP in spirit.

    God gave you your own mind…use it.

  • Anonymous

    See, I don’t get that with Romney.  I think he has lots of money backing him, including his own.  I think that many of the current people in the Republican party are backing him because they do feel he has the best chance at this point of beating O.  But, I certainly can’t seem him in the back rooms of the Party get togethers.  They just like that he was elected in a Dem state, and I think they are smart enough to know that they HAVE to get the independent votes.

    I am sure they also know that many PUMAs as I was helped McCain.  As far as the “Old Boys’ Club” goes, that is one thing that hurt me so much about the last primary.  I, like more women than I could name, felt it was our last chance to see a woman in the WH.

  • Anonymous

    Please go back and give me a count of the times the Dems have controlled Congress compared to the Republicans.  I don’t think you’ll find much difference.  In my mind at this point both parties are corrupt as all get out and equally to blame for the mess we’re in.  I also feel that O has been a miserable disaster as a president, an he lived up to all I expected from him.  So, I have to nearly puke if I see him on television or hear his voice.  You should have seen the videos on Denver t.v. last night of the VERY TEPID reception he got here for his fourth visit to our important state for this election, and it was–as usual–a hand picked audience.  We’re all very, very, very tired of having a Campaigner in Chief rather than a President.

    I am an ex Dem, so I know Party generated pablum when someone is trying to spoon feed me–and PA, you don’t do half as much as some of the earlier obot trolls who’ve come to this blog during the years I’ve been following it.

  • wylrae

    I think we need to modernize: i.e., maybe the back room of party get togethers has been replaced by board rooms!

  • http://www.facebook.com/mary.cusack Mary Cusack

    Sara Palin endorsed newt again today. Personally I am sick of her. go home sara , you’re and idiot

  • PTAb01

    There is much in Newts history to make people nervous and I reckon the surplus of support comes from a distrust of Mitt Romney for several reasons 1) his history has been pretty JohnKerry like He is on record to an independant, a progressive, and a moderate and as of 2008 a conservative ( kinda late in life to find your idealogy if you think honestly about it)
    2) the number issue in this campaign is the disastrous obmacare and he is complicit in it is synthesis . Obamacare was/ is the key road to every business owner out there the future is just way too uncertain to invest in personnel now – the economy has several deep problems but this equivalent to having the brakes clutched in the closed position 3) He is the Modern day Wendell Wilkie to a Populist Incumbent POTUS and the lesson from then to now is if that populist rhetoric doesn’t serve up votes dole out more cash (think of Keystone Xl kind of things meeting approval in October before theelection)
    Gingrich’s biggest allure is being assertive and agressive Calling out the media Slamming the POTUS verbally he has not used kid gloves as our last candidate did or played passive aggressive as current speaker has After that, it is alot of hotair with an occassional meaningful thought about a policy. It is pretty easy to see why there would be a great divide between the two camps. And both men are prepared to go sorched earth.

    The next tier of Ron Paul and Rick Santorum have their own baggage tied Round their necks that will be thoroughly exploded by the Media who completely in the bag for Obama ( it is not even a question any longer the bias can be tasted now)

  • BINKY

    I don’t think Romney’s a conservative.  I was surprised though to read today that Romney’s dad was a fan of Saul Alinsky:
    http://sago.com/2012/01/24/when-liberal-governor-george-romney-met-saul-alinsky/
    This is the second article I’ve read and I plan to search to see if there’s more information on this.  It does explain some of Romney’s tactics though.

  • BINKY

    I watched the debate from start to finish, except for one teeny part when I was putting out food for the kitten.  You could tell when Romney had practiced an answer and when he had not.  He almost stuttered on some of his answers which was reminicent (to me) of Barack without a teleprompter.

  • BINKY

    puh…leeze.  I never believed someone could destroy a country in 3 years the way he has. If it weren’t for the coward career politicians in Congress, Obama would have been impeached by now.

  • Anonymous

    So, basically you are saying you want a liar in the WH.  I am so tired of candidates who feel they have to relate to me personally.  Heck, if they could I would probably be nervous about them being in the WH.  I personally would have no idea about what to do in the WH.  I am not stupid, however.  I know that any candidate at the level he is running for a nomination for the presidential race has more money than I could dream of having (just as I knew it about Obummer and was digusted with his lies), has more powerful connections, lives a lifestyle more lavish than I can’t relate to.  All I want is a person with dignity and character who does seem to have some skill and knowledge enough to, perhaps, turn this economy around.

    Newt has no character other than a sleazy one.  I really haven’t been convinced that Newt has any accomplishments to brag about since his version of his history is so very different from what you can see in old videos and read in old stories.

    Out here next to Utah I’ve met many Mormons.  From my experience Romney’s reticence to fight, to draw attention to his person or his private life, etc., is very typical of Mormons.  I find that, personally, so refreshing in the age of Snookie and  the Situation or any of the “real” housewives.  Romney is not Jersey.  He’s not from my part of the country, but I do really like his biography much more than Newt’s.

    It’s time for us to drom the theatrics from elections in this country and become citizens who can use our heads to pick candidates.  I don’t want this long dragged out mess of a nomination and election process.  It seems that it was only yesterday that we were going through the same turmoil with the last Presidential primary and GE.  When can we get politicians who can concentrate on governing and not having to woo us?

  • Anonymous

    I do hope you’re wrong about that, but something in me worries that you are right.  Too bad so much of the “entertainment” lately has been centered on the plural marriage angle of Mormonism.  As a mainline Protestant, I just can’t get into the Mormon theology.  But, living out here next to many Mormons, I don’t distrust them and often admire them.  As with any group, there are a few crazies.  But I can’t find any religion that doesn’t have those.

  • Anonymous

    I do hope you’re wrong about that, but something in me worries that you are right.  Too bad so much of the “entertainment” lately has been centered on the plural marriage angle of Mormonism.  As a mainline Protestant, I just can’t get into the Mormon theology.  But, living out here next to many Mormons, I don’t distrust them and often admire them.  As with any group, there are a few crazies.  But I can’t find any religion that doesn’t have those.

  • Anonymous

    I am ROTFLOL!

    My ex was his mother’s favorite son.  His older brother used to say something similar to this about his mother, who was anal retentive about her housekeeping.  He said that my ex could squat and take a dump in the middle of her formal living room on the sanitized carpet that no one was really allowed to walk on, and she would find it an amazing and wonderful thing.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t understand your concern over the Tea Party since it is really not much of a concern for the Republican Party at this point, other than as a subset of the party.  Are you hurting because they were able to call many of the problems with the healthcare boondoggle, even the “death panels” that many surgeons and doctors do claim (using other terms) will happen?

    Where or where is there any mention of O considering an OWS appointment to another czar position?

    I’d say the Republican Tea Party was smarter and more effective than the OWS crowd. 

  • PA

    That response is such an easy cope-out. I think you need to spend a little more time thinking about the issues and who is saying what. You seem very confused.

    If you think Obama has been a miserable disaster as a President, then you clearly live in an alternative universe.

    Give me 5 meaningful things that you believe Obama has so completely failed at that you are willing to give up being a Democrat and switch to the far worse party of the GOP.

    What precisely is the attraction of this Republican Party? They are complete nut cases with zero plan for the future other than the same tired ideas that got us into this mess.

    Can you tell me what Romney’s job creation plan is? What is his plan for the Economy? What is his plan to fix healthcare in this country? What is his foreign policy? What is his plan to fix the massive inequality in income and wealth?

  • PA

    Except those offshore accounts were not blind trusts. Can you imagine electing a 1% Wall Streeter that pays no taxes and tries to hide and shield his income overseas. What is the GOP thinking?

  • Anonymous

    Well the first thing he can say is …..I inherited a mess from the previous administration and then he could implement some of this.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/r/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2011/09/06/National-Politics/Graphics/BelieveInAmerica%E2%80%93MittRomney%E2%80%93PlanForJobsAndEconomicGrowth.pdf?hpid=z1

  • PA

    Same BS from you. I think you need to study the facts a little harder.

    Obviously, when you have high unemployment more people are on government assistance. The high unemployment is the direct result of the Bush recession.

    In 2010, we had the economic stimulus so growth was higher. In 2011 the stimulus spending was largely over. Just shows you that maybe we should have done more stimulus spending. The massive cut in spending and employment by local and state governments has also held back GDP growth in 2011, as your own quote says.

    We are a long way from the -6.2% GDP decline of Bush’s last quarter and there are increasing signs that the recovery is sustainable and on a better footing, away from the stimulus spending.

    Just shows you how deep a hole Bush left this country in. It has taken us so long to get out of this economic mess.  

  • Anonymous

    Well, as far as I am concerned, my response was not a cop out.  As for being a “cope-out,” I can’t figure out what that means.

    And guess what—I am an independent, as my answer suggests.  That should clue you into the fact that I am also not a Republican, just as I am also no longer a Democrat.

    As far as Romney’s job creation plan goes, I am almost certain that it doesn’t involve borrowing money for “shovel ready” jobs that don’t exist and putting us further into debt.  Since his company DID in fact create jobs, I think I’ll trust him far more than I would someone whose job that his good friend Billy Ayers got for him, with the Annenberg foundation was a miserable, costly failure.  I know of no other real job he held, other than as an adjunct professor (which I also am), a supposed writer, though again it’s pretty clear Ayers did that for him also.  And in Illinois, all he could manage do do in the legislature was vote “present” and allow himself to take credit for others’ legislative work.  During his time in the WH, I’ve got to learn about his numerous golf outings and his expensive family vacations, but mostly about his constant, never-ending campaign tele-prompter readings.  I’ve never really seen him being POTUS, except in name only.

    Right now, I won’t even give you my suggestion for the “healthcare fix” since the most important thing at this time is to undo the “fix” the NP/HR cabal foisted on us that will bankrupt us.  And Romney has made a promise about that.

    I did see Romney speak about national defense.  It certainly didn’t appear to me that he would be bowing to the Saudi royalty and kissing their rings or exchanging books with Chavez.

    And, you know, this meme you guys got going about the massive inequality of wealth is just not “speaking” to me.  Times are tough during this long recession.  There are very wealthy people—as always–and “the poor will be with us always.”  But,  I look around where I live and I just don’t see the stirrings of discontent that might give you the bloody French Revolution you seem to expect.  I still feel Americans enjoy a pretty darned good lifestyle in comparison.

  • PA

    Actully the country is far better off then it was three years ago. We were falling into the abyss. We were losing 800,000 jobs a month, GDP was shrinking at more than 5% a quarter, the stock market was in the tank, the entire financial system was on the verge of collapse, the auto sector was close to liquidation, we were mired in an never ending war in Iraq, etc. etc. etc.

    Seems funny you would stop being a Democrat when we were on the verge of getting rid of Bush.

    How exactly have things gotten worse? You live in some weird alternative universe.  

  • PA

    It is the GOP establishment that is wants its party to go “lock-step with whatever “the party” tells them; ie. Romney.

    Romney has lead no revolution.

    What exactly do you like about Romney? What is the attraction? Do you even have any idea about what his ideas are for the future of this country?

    Convince me to vote for him.

  • Anonymous

    Speaking of wealth. Look at Miss goody 2 shoes.

    Millionaire Elizabeth Warren misleads on wealthy: ‘I’m not one of them’ [VIDEO]
    “She earned more than $429,000 from Harvard last year alone for a total of about $700,000, and lives
    in a house worth $5 million,” the story said. “She also has a portfolio
    of investments in stocks and bonds worth as as much as $8 million,
    according to the form, which lists value ranges for each investment. The
    bulk of it is in funds managed by TIAA-CREF.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/27/millionaire-elizabeth-warren-misleads-on-wealthy-im-not-one-of-them-video/#ixzz1ki0Gig46

  • HELENK
  • Anonymous

    Very weak response.
    No Government handout for you Sparky.

  • PA

    I don’t think anyone has a problem with the wealthy or people getting wealty. The American dream. I think the problem is when the system is rigged in favor of the wealthy, primarily through the tax code.

    Don’t know what Warren is worth, but good for her for making something of herself. I am sure she pays more than 13.9% in taxes and did not make her money leaching off of other peoples ideas and sucking companies dry.

  • Anonymous

    TIAA–CREF was created to replace the system of free pensions provided by Carnegie Corporation
    for professors. When the original fund proved inadequate, TIAA was
    created in an Act of the New York State Legislature in 1918 as a stock life insurance
    company for the purpose of providing retirement income for professors
    through fixed premium guaranteed deferred annuity contracts. Later in
    1952, CREF was created to allow professors to invest in the stock market
    through the nation’s first variable annuity. Its core business
    continues to be retirement plan administration and annuity products. It is by far the largest manager of so-called employer-sponsored 403(b) tax-sheltered annuity plans, a defined contribution retirement plan for employees of 501(c)(3) educational, religious, and charitable organizations. The company also offers 401(k) and 457 plans, Keogh plans,
    and Supplemental Retirement Plans. Contributions from these plans are
    typically invested in the company’s traditional or variable annuities or
    its line of mutual funds.

  • PA

    Is there any proof whatsoever that Bain created any jobs anywhere? Being an investor in companies is not being a job creator.

    Romney’s job creation record as a Governor was 42nd out of 50 Governors at the time. He was terrible at creating jobs as a Governor.

    There have been 3.0 million private sector jobs created in America since Obama has been President (in three years). During Bush’s 8 years there was no job creation, if not negative job creation given the recession.

    What is actually wrong with the healthcare reform that was inacted? I have never heard an actual good arguments on NQ as to why the healthcare reform is so bad. Is it the fact that it will create nearly universal coverage, get people who were freeloading before to actually start paying for their healthcare, that it gets rid of pre-existing conditions, that it creates competition with exchanges, allows parents to keep their children on their plans longer, etc. etc. So basically Romney wants to get rid of the same system he created in MA. That does not make any sense.

    And you are happy with more tax cuts for the wealthy and turning your medicare into a voucher program, etc. etc.

     

  • cookiegramma

    The problem with Romney is Massachusetts. Everyone I have talked to that openly admits to being against him says that it is the so called Romney Care, but there are other issues there. Massachusetts is a very liberal state and they chose him. He cannot get rid of the identification with that state.

  • Jrterrier

    i wonder whether newt isn’t bipolar or manic depressive.  he said one of his parents was bipolar and there is a strong genetic predisposition. 
     
    he is now saying that the reason he didn’t do so well at the campaign on thursday was because he was shocked by what he described as rival Mitt
    Romney’s “totally dishonest” replies to several questions.
     
    his alleged examples were totally off the wall.  as if.  nevermind that newt has had to backpedal on a number of previous statements (ie, that abc rejected the multiple witnesses they had offered to refute his former wife’s assertion that newt wanted an open marriage). 
     
     

  • beachnan

    That’s why I couldn’t understand Sarah Palin saying that it was good for the party to keep this thing going.  It seems to me that the longer these campaigns go on, the more entrenched people become behind their particular candidates and then refuse to support the other candidate in the general election.    I so disagree with that line of thinking.

  • beachnan

    What a patriot Obama was for receiving all that money for his campaign from overseas.  By the way, who paid for Obama’s college education? 

  • yttik

    I think Sarah Palin really nailed it again. This is about so much more than Newt.

    Cannibals in GOP Establishment Employ Tactics of the Left

    http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150516734848435

  • beachnan

    You never really understood the Tea Party.  It was and still is, a group of individuals that came together because of their disgust with the wanton ways of DC and the current administration.  People didn’t feel represented and didn’t feel like their money was being well spent, so they decided to protest.  The protests were done in a civil manner and were truly a grass roots movement.   Even though the tea party candidates that were elected came from the Republican Party.  The original Tea Party protestors were affiliated with various groups-Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, etc.

  • beachnan

    You seem confused about the how long the Democrats were in charge of Congress, and that began in 2006 and continued until 2010.  Maybe they should have done a better job. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

    Don’t get me wrong, I think the Mormon religion is pretty much a cult (not Scientology crazy, but still . . .). On the other hand, my religion tells me that the  bread & wine becomes the body & blood of Christ when the Priest consecrates them — and I even believe it! So maybe I shouldn’t be so quick to judge. In fact, the Mormons I’ve actually met in my life have been, to a person, really good, honest, hardworking people. Oh, and none of them are bigamists, either.

  • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew J. Weaver

    Conservative?  In my opinion there is no single answer as this requires ___ conservative.

    But even before that, “conservative” doesn’t always mean picking a particular candidate.  Consider in my case, for example, that I disliked Reagan (thought he should have been impeached), like Carter as great ex-president, neutral on Bush Sr., hated Bush, Jr. (the village idiot in my opinion), liked Clinton, liked McCain 2000 and not so much 2008, very actively supported Hillary, dispise Obama, supported McCain/Palin, liked Palin (less and less this past summer, especially the way/timing when she dropped out/chose not to run and even worse, her support of Newt–a complete reversal of all she claims to believe in).

    I consider myself a Tea Party supporter but even that is wearing thin as the general group is being hijacked by right-wing religious-oriented extremists.  I’ve always preferred to think of the Tea Party as anyone questioning the status quo.

    Anyway, today I’m currently a Romney supporter.  He’s conservative (I’ve yet to meet a Mormon who is not conservative) and represents the best of ‘family values’.   That he’s a ‘moderate’ in the eyes of some is simply a reflection of how extreme some people are.  Further, I’m very disturbed with the thinly veiled and often open anti-Mormon hate and bigotry expressed by some people.  Personally, I’ll vote for Romney as much to make an ‘in your face’ statement as for any other reason.

    The conservative extremists that are trying to take over or control the Republican party are increasingly marginalized by picking flavor-of-the-month candidates that are embarrassingly flawed and often not representing anything they claim to stand for.

    When Romney wins the nomination and defeats Obama in December he’ll do it despite these conservative extremists.  They lose, we win.  Romney–hopefully–will thereafter ignore them as should we all.

    Romney’s conservative enough for me and I think–gut feel–would lead the nation responsibly and intelligently.

    Now, what is a conservative and am I one?

    - Fiscal conservative?  Yes.  Cut everything, starting with those nice to have things and saving the must-haves, like core defense needs.  Even there, I’d say bring troops home from Korea, Japan, Europe, etc. as we can so easily deploy them and use other means to deliver our military might.

    - Law & order conservative?  And, no not the often racist stereotype of years ago.  I firmly support quick trial and, if convicted, immediate execution of anyone killing, raping, or molesting, etc.  No mercy, execute them at noon in the public square.  Heck, if we can’t do this, hard to justify carrying out executions virtually in secret in the dark of night.

    - Social conservative?  No so easy.  So many different litmus tests for this.  Abortion?  No, except life of mother and also not ready to tell others what to do/not do.  Marriage? Man and Woman only. Allow civil unions for other arrangements.  Adoption?  Heterosexual only.

    Unions.  No unions for government workers.  Right-to-work nationally.
     
    Education?  I firmly believe that any American-born student with decent grades should get tuitition-free access to any school they qualify for.  And if a school accepts federal aid, then no foreign students if there is a qualifying American student, period.  And never allow an illegal alient to attend any American school.

    Health care? None for illegals unless conditioned with immediate deportation after sufficient treatment to keep them alive until they cross the border.

    Immigration?  Deport any illegal alien, beginning with Obama’s family.  No exceptions.  And employers hiring illegal aliens?  Jail ‘em.

    Health care for Americans?  No ObamaCare but yes to some serious patient Bill of Rights, including no denial of coverage requirements in trade for licenses to operate.  And allow companies to cross state lines, etc.  Finally, goes against the grain of negotiation but one-price for services to end the disparity of insured and uninsured prices.

    Language?  English as national language and English-only for ballots, etc.  If you can’t read/speak English, sorry no vote.  Allow exception for Puerto Rico as it is and has always been Spanish-speaking.

    And make Puerto Rico a state or give it independence.  Doesn’t matter if they are majority Democrat or not.  Nice to see Romney take this stance.

    Cuba?  Normalize relations.  Now.  It has been stupid and counter-productive to isolate them as we’ve tried.  Engage them, money talks, business talks, flood them with capitalism.  This will lead to quicker change than what we’ve pig-headed attempted over the past 50 years.

    Taxes?  I’m tired of the near tyranny of nearly 50% of the population payomg no taxes yet deciding what tax paying citizens should pay.  I’m all for a flat tax or–better yet–an end all federal and state income taxes–replacing them with a single sales tax.

    Environment. Protect the public lands we have, proscecute polluters, and so forth.

    Religion?  I’m Catholic but don’t wear it on my shoulder, don’t attend church except on holidays, and have no interest in anyone putting their religion first in any coversation or action.  Too often these same people are the biggest hypocrites.

    Racism, etc.  I didn’t grow up with it and see it today as very much the exception in society.  I don’t know anyone personally that is racist, never continued any level of relationship with anyone who was racist.  Zero tolerance, period. That includes any race-based organizations, set-asides, whatever.  If you can’t replace the race name with another, then it is wrong for both.

    Okay, I’m on a rant here….

    Did I mention that I also like a lot of what Ron Paul supports.  Just don’t like his ‘crazy uncle’ image.  I think Ron Paul is just as conservative, maybe even more so than Romney.  As a veteran, I definitely like his position against military action without a declaration of war.  At the same time, more than once I’ve suggested/exaggerated that we should nuke a few countries.

    I also support Paul’s attitude to treat Israel no differently than any other country.  Otherwise, in my opinion, we should more forcefully tell them what to do or not do for the dollars we give them.

    I could go on and on, but you likely see the point that ‘conservative’ isn’t a easy label to put on a person or to profess.  No different than ‘liberal’ for anyone that gives it much thought.  I figure I am a bit ‘all of the above’ and happy about it.

    At the moment, how about Romney for president, Bolton in State, Paul in Treasury, Trump as ambassador to China, Rubio as ambassador to Cuba (he was an anchor baby and since his parents were not US citizens, he’s no more eligible to be president than Obama is), Palin to (uh, nowhere), etc.

    Okay, maybe I’m being a bit silly now.

  • beachnan

    Isn’t that ridiculous?  Here is a man, who might be able to get us out of the mess we are in and people are worried about his religion.  The guy we have right hung around with criminals, sat in Wright’s radical church for upteen years, admitted to doing cocaine, and was a Chicago thug, oops I mean community organizer.  Yet the right is worried about Romney’s religion.  Crazy times.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mary.cusack Mary Cusack

    drivel, pure kiss ass drivel.  she’s a fucking idiot.  took a while but I finally see her for the idiot she is

  • FormerLiberal

    Your post Matthew almost parallels my political experience exactly. I have changed from a life long Dem to a Republican in just a few short years. Some would call me a flip flopper but I like to think of myself as someone who finally realized I had a few things wrong in my political prospective. Many people will not even listen to the other sides argument because their egos won’t allow them to admit that they may be wrong (too bad for them).

  • FormerLiberal

    A few years ago those same social conservative would not have supported a Catholic, now Santorum is their favorite. Sometime it takes time and someone to set a good example to change peoples ideas.

  • FormerLiberal

    The one thing that impresses me about Romney is that he has truly proven that he can work with both sides of the aisle. We need someone who can truly get the job done and not condemn our county to an endless political stalemate in Washington. Conservatives need to learn that they will never get everything that they want; and sometimes it is better to get most of what you want than nothing at all.

  • PA

    What is our point? It is a Teachers retirement fund. Big deal.

  • PA

    Grassroots my ass. More like corporate shills. Explain the funding and support of Dick Armey and Freedomworks.

    Same small group of diehard conservatives who have been around forever. Where was all the complaining when Bush was running up the debt and deficit and spending their money. 

    Yeah those protests were of a civil manner. All that screaming at Townhalls seemed very civil.

    The original Tea Party was a tax revolt. Your taxes have gone nowhere but down under Obama.

  • PA

    Do you have any actual proof that Obama received one dollar in overseas money or are you just talking out of your ass?

  • Anonymous

    Well, I don’t envy you being bombarded by ads. Reminds me of when Meg ran for Governor here blanketing the airwaves until everyone was sick of her. And we know how that turned out.
    “Are you a “conservative?””
    Um, no. I’m a Canadian and pro single-payer so by definition I must be a Socialist. But I am ingrained with the Conservatism that kept the Canadian banks out of the financial mess.
    Oh, I’m so confused.
    Please find a label for me. Right now the closest is “Independent”.

  • Anonymous

    “To me a conservative is someone who promotes, either legislatively or by
    example, traditional family values anchored in traditional religious
    beliefs”
    Well, I guess that leaves out Atheistic me. I’ve never found that anyone’s morals were necessarily in sync with their professed religious values so I’m happy to leave religion out of it completely.

  • Anonymous

    I find eating symbolic flesh washed down with blood one of the most grotesque ideas ever devised.

  • Anonymous

     Me too, Diana. The only thing I disagree with is the “class warfare” slogan which is meant to obscure the fact that we have come miles away from even the tax rates under “Saint Reagan”.
    If it is class warfare to want to return to that I say “Bring it on.”

  • Anonymous

    HARP-
    I enjoyed reading your stats on your two posts 
    it reminded me of The Breeze Report.
    Thanks.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t understand her either. I most certainly don’t agree with her. Nor do many other conservatives who’s opinion I respect.

  • Anonymous

    What Newt was shocked by was Romney finally standing up to his bullying and fighting back. Bullies like Newt usually collapse when given some of their own back. Especially when it comes from someone for whom this kind of behavior is out of character.

     This “confrontation” schtick isn’t Romney’s “thing” but he proved that he can do it if he has to.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think she’s an idiot. But I do disagree with her. Completely.

    I disagree that this lenghty bash fest by the GOP is helpful. I also am somewhat confused by her rush to defend Gingrich when he get’s attacked. She was certainly silent when Gingrich and his supporters smeared Romney.

    I was once a fan. I’m rethinking that position. Right now I find her profoundly disappointing.

    Perhaps we shouldn’t be taking advice from losers.

  • Anonymous

    So do I and I was raised in the Catholic Church. It always bothered me.

  • Anonymous

    But those same people will cheer on Scott Brown is much the same type. Oh wait, he’s not rich so the fact that he’s a moderate Republican in a very blue state is okay.

  • Fygsmom

    Look PA if you want to ensure income redistribution (fairness in DEM speak) you must get rid of income tax and tax property and investments only.

    Income tax only ensures the status quo.

    The extremely wealthy of the world:
    Gates(56B), Buffet(62B), Romney (250M), Walmart clan, Jay Leno (150M) David Letterman (400M) do not derive the majority of their wealth from classic income any longer.

    But if we took every penny from these elites every cent of value it would not deal with the debt.

    Obama is using classic politics of envy to make himself wealthy at the expense of the rest–he is the “more equal pig” just like inside trader Nancy Pelosi.

  • tired of the spin

    there have been 4 million jobs lost since 2009 and millions of workers not even looking anymore.

    More homeless and hungry children.

    Less coverage by health care insurance because (for instance my company) got a waiver and no longer offers credible healthcare coverage.

    I am most assuredly not better off than I was under Bush.  Then my household income after taxes was 90K now it is under 40K.  But Obama is “good for the economy”  Blow it out your ear

  • Fygsmom

    Unlike many many rich Dems Romney hasn’t not paid a full tax and a full tithe on every penny he has whether offshore or on.

    Unlike most americans I have bank accounts in Germany because I go there and it make it easier to convert money to Euro at a better rate. I am not wealthy not by a long shot.

    He hasn’t tried to hide his wealth he does use it to do good works.

  • Fygsmom

    ROMNEY PAYS TAXES EVERY YEAR

    Not as much as you would like but unlike Geithner, Daschel and a host of other WEALTHY AMERICANS
    he doesn’t have back taxes or unfiled tax returns

    Wesley Snipes ring any bells????

  • Strange Bedfellows?

    He wasn’t–Gov Romney had a problem to deal with in his inner cities and Alinsky claimed to represent the poor black community.  Consequently they met several times.  As a cordial and professional host the governor was welcoming and respectful.

    Often as a leader we have to be nice to people we would rather spit on.

  • jlp

    I am a life long Democrat.  I disliked what Obama did to Hillary, and at the moment could never vote for another Democrat.  When Hillary was defeated by Obama in the primary – I switched immediately.  I saw the same BS with Repubs against McCain.  I heard it locally – well, we just don’t like McCain. He is not a conservative.  And, my answer was:  beats the alternative.  The repubs are doing the same thing again.  The Ann Coulters are defeating their candidates with their screaming hysterics,  I am beginning to believe that Obama is going to win again for some of the same reasons he did in 2008.  The republican elites are crazy.  I am very concerned that this country cannot survive another 4 years of Obama, but the Republicans have a self defeating approach to the 2012 election.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, there is good rich and bad rich. Good rich is where you go into business and make money because you are good at the business. Bad rich is where you are run out of public office for ethics violations and then turn around and use the access and information gained through that public office to enrich yourself by selling access and influence to the highest bidder. Guess which is which when it comes to Newt and Romney!!

  • Scottymac54

    Amen….I swear not to get fooled again, until the next time…

  • Scottymac54

    I brought this up as a theory, a few weeks ago.

    I’m not excusing the evilian aspect, just looking for root causes.

    I also think Barky’s similarly afflicted, but my take is, he’s heavily medicated.

    Gingrich has resisted treatment, but is rapid-cycling, IMHO. 

  • PA

    And who is to blame for that?

    The Great Recession started in 2007.

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