Obama’s Economic Holocaust

this is off topic but very funny:

http://www.politico.com/largevideobox.html?id=1417170247001

If newt is the nominee Obama will win

Good advice to PA, but even if he started eating a bottle of Metamucil a day for a month, he’d still be unable to extricate his head from his ass.

Anyone who starts out with “given the shit sandwich Bush handed him” — as IF Obama woke up one morning and he was magically POTUS and having to deal with the “Bush economy” was a big old surprise when what actually happened was Obama fought dirty, smeared, cheated, lied, stole and THREW HIS OWN GRANDMOTHER UNDER THE BUS to become POTUS promising all the while that he was the ONLY HOPE to save the USA from the “Bush economy” — has absolutely no credibility.

Well done Larry !!

Yep . Obama would like 4 more in order to achieve his goal.

Obama will probably just ignore the results of the election if it goes badly for him, claim it was rigged by the racist GOP and declare himself the winner just like your run-of-the-mill third world dictatorship.

If the polls are in his favor he won`t, if not………?

Democrats will like this.

NLRB Wants to Force Companies to Turn Over Employee Contact Info

Board Chair Mark Pearce
is introducing a series of new regulations. One of these regulations,
if passed, would require businesses to surrender their employee’s
personal contact information to campaigning union heads.

“If the National Labor Relations Board gets its way, companies could
be forced to hand over your contact information, whether you like it or
not, to union leaders,” Fox host Neil Cavuto said. “Union leaders having
access to your phone number, your email address?”

Schaumber, himself a former NLRB chairman, joined Cavuto to discuss
his great fear: that unions will use that information to harass people not in a union.

“I think it’s terrible. Workers have a right to be left alone,” Schaumber said.

“They have a right not to be harassed during a union organizing
campaign. If a worker has given his or her employer their home phone,
their personal email address, their cell phone, it was in the
expectation that it wasn’t going to be given to third parties but was
going to be used by the employer for the purposes of what it was
intended to be given for. And in most instances that’s to contact the
employee under emergency situations.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/nlrb-pushes-to-force-companies-to-turn-over-employee-contact-info/

What do you make of this Larry? Just a cordial visit or is there more to it.

Obama hosts George H.W. and Jeb Bush at White House

I don’t get it. Some former Hillary supporters, now Sarah Palin supporters, are now rabid Gingrich supporters. How do their heads not explode from the irony? ;-P

I liked Sarah Palin, but I think she’s not thinking this one through, and so willing to give political cover to social conservatives with such an obviously flawed candidate, because it’s unacceptable to have a mormon from MA with corporate and executive experience as their nominee. Definitely takes her down several notches in my book.

This is why I could never be a GOPer. The social conservatives are the right’s equivalent of progressives.

Liked your article Larry. I would like to add that given enough time the  economy usually improves with or without any government help. The good numbers the Obots are using are probably just a reflection of things slightly improving on their own. The numbers you quote are a sobering reminder that we are not out of the woods yet and are probably far from a recovery.

If a sports team is losing they often fire the coach and replace them with someone who can help the team win. If the replacement coach fails to win in three or four years he is often fired and another new coach is hired. Its time to find someone who can lead team America to win. 

What happens when a narcissist is rejected by the entire country?

What happens when a narcissist is rejected by the entire country?

Claim that the entire country doesn’t know what’s good for it, of course.

For a little insight into why many Palin supporters support Newt you go to Drudge and read what she has written about why she wanted an extended primary contest.  Also you might read the article there about how Abrahm’s(?) is shown to be lying about his saying Newt badmouthed Reagan on the House floor.  At this point I would have reservations about voting for Palin if she were the GOP nominee although I would because of the ABO pledge I have taken.

Amazing what one can learn by looking at other sources (paraticularly those that aren’t so blantantly anti-Gringrich): i.e., I did not know Romney was in favor of keeping the EPA (I will have to look and see if he is in favor of downsizing it at all or allowing it to continue running roughshod as it is); nor did I know that Gingrich had written a book on our energy independence (“Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less) which I need to get and read.  The article I read seems to think that Gingrich is a far stronger candidate in regards to energy than Romney and that there really is no real comparison between the two on energy policy.

A couple days ago I made mention to my coffee buddies that it looked like the establishment was getting nervous with Gingrich having made a good showing in SC because they had several people coming out of the woodwork criticizing him (one being Abrahms(?) on Gingrich badmouthing Reagan); seems I was correct.  Might also be a reason that some Palan supporters favor Newt because it is obvious that the republican establishment ( the backroom group or Good Old Club or whatever you want to call it) is so  very interested in taking him down.  But as one of my coffee buddies responded, “Of course they want Newt out, they have to protect one of their own.”

I think he would change things so he could have more than “4 more” because it is going to take him more than 4 more to get things Changed to the what he Hopes for.

Sorry, Larry, PA will not be convinced since you didn’t get your information from the Kool Aid bar.

Following a Gingrich campaign is always a high wire act without the net.

He WILL implode. Probably decide we should build an underwater city to house the homeless or something strange.

 Larry, great article. There are 2 websites  that seem to be pretty decent when it come to real economic news. ZeroHedge is really good, and BusinessInsider is sometimes good.

The economic news is actually worse that what you described.  2.8% is for Q4 of 2011, and most it was restocking for businesses, which means items aren’t selling that much, the business only had to restock and it will stay there for a while. 

And while its 2.8% for Q4 of 2011, there are 4 quarters in a year, so after all 4 quarters are taken into account, then the GDP for the entire 2011 is whopping 1.7%,  yes, folks, you read that right, the Barry worshiping media will not let this out, America grew only 1.7% in 2011.

http://www.businessinsider.com/2011-gdp-2012-1

The economy is not growing slowly, its on the verge of shrinking, why do you think Bernanke is going around saying interest rates will be 0% until 2014, any increase in rates, and the economy will implode immediately. He’s not keeping rates because the economy is strong and can handle it, its the opposite, they are planning to weaken the dollar, print more, keep rates low, all because the economy is that frail.

Why would any business want to expand with Soetero going after them all the time? The man has to be stupider than W Bush, and that’s saying something. He really is so clueless and stupid, but really what can be expected from a community organizer? (and a bad one at that)

Or maybe they have really had to deal with Gingrich in the past.  Once you’ve had to “fire” someone for ethics violations, etc., perhaps you don’t want to deal with him again. 

I get the same in-my-gut reaction to Newt as I get from Obama.  Having been married to a narcissist for 18 years, having had to spend a fortune on lawyers for almost seven years to get out of that marriage since he kept me in court that long, all the while claiming I was the crazy one for wanting the divorce because he “loved” me so much–after telling me privately that I would get a divorce over my dead body–I pay attention to my gut.  Gingrich is a lying narcissist in this race for himself and for no one else–his whole personal history is the story of a man in love with himself.  We do not need one to replace the horrible one we already have. 

I never took an official ABO pledge, but if I had and had realized that to keep it I would have to vote for a person as just as disgusting and incompetent as Obama, I would break that pledge just as I had to–to save my sanity–break my marriage vows and ask for a divorce.

Because the DNC played its games and forced this obamanation on us, does not mean the Republican Party is playing the same games at this time.  From what I can tell, it doesn’t have a Nancy Pelosi, a Harry Reid, a Donna “Stop the Hate” Brazile, a Howard screaming Dean, all reading their George Lakoff theories and ignoring caucus rules and turning their eyes from “super delegate” payoffs and then changing rules about the national convention.  While I keep hearing of the Koch brothers, I can’t imagine they are anything like the English bank breaking George Soros.  And I don’t read that Mitt Romney has a Frank Marshall Davis or a Bill Ayers or Tony Rezko in his background.  I am sure we have far more facts about his college transcripts and his official birth certificate.

If that is happening in the Republican primary at this point, I want to know it from the people Gingrich’s camp, the little people and not from Gingrich.  I want to see a video like the “We Will Not Be Silenced” series.

A vote should be FOR someone, not against someone.  A vote for President of the United State should be FOR someone.  When I voted for McCain, I had reservations because of his tendency to like military solutions too much, but he had been known as a person who would cross the aisle, even Hillary said she could work with him.  I voted for him, not just against Obama.  If I hadn’t been able to do that, I would have simply not voted in the presidential race and would have voted down ticket only.

Great article Larry – what you need to also look at is population growth (those old enough to work) and how that is reflected in the numbers.  It’s just like adding inflation to the cost of fuel/bread/housing etc. and should be added to your analysis to make the numbers match true reality.

Well, it’s not an underwater city to house the homelss he’s offering but a completely new state for our country in outer space. 

Once again Mr. Johnson your writing is a thing of beauty. I was waiting for this.

First he causes or at least contributes mightily to the weakest “recovery” since the Great Depression, wherein more and more people have become dependent on government assistance and/or given up hope – and then he campaigns on a platform of class warfare, trying to rally all of the downtrodden he’s helped to create.  What a cynical strategy for an incompetent whose likely opponent will be a very very wealthy “One Percenter”.
 
Businesses, banks and would-be investors are sitting on cash because of the climate he’s created, rather than hiring and expanding.  Who can blame them — there’s genuine fear of the havoc this POTUS may cause.  He’s beyond pathetic.

LJ,

Didn’t think I was so important. I guess I am, given I am one of the few that dares to challenge you. Good to see you are paying attention.

If you want to go through this whole labor force/populaton argument again then bring it.

But, first, you really think it is meaningless that the economy has been growing again and that GDP growth is back to more normalized levels after having plunged so much under Bush. You think it is meaningless that 3.0 million private sector jobs were created in the last three years. You think it is meaningless that we have had 22 consecutive months of private sector job growth. You think it is meaningless that the unemployment rate has dropped from 9.9% to 8.5% and continues to trend down, despite record number of government employee lay-offs.

If you easily discount all of these trends then you are truly delusional.
It makes no logic sense to say the economy is not improving and the employment picture is not improving, but that is not surprising coming from someone who also denies climate change.

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It is interesting to compare Obama’s unemployment record with your hero Ronald Reagan’s unemployment record, as Obama is so far exactly on the same unemployment rate tragectory as Reagan was on at this point in his presidency.

Reagan: January 1980 (when took office) unemployment rate was 7.5%
Obama: January 2009 was 7.6%.

Reagan: June 1982 unemployment 9.6%
Obama: June 2011 was 9.5%

Reagan: December 1982 unemployment 8.3%
Obama: December 2011 unemployment 8.5%

On second election day Reagan was at 7.4%. Obama may not get that low, but he may get it close to 8% with a positive trend.

So far Obama has made the exact same employment gains as Reagan and Reagan did not face the biggest economic downturn since the Great Depression and two wars and a huge defict and debt and as fierce a political opposition who blocked everything.

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Rational people would also think it was a little unfair to give Obama credit for the increase in the unemployment rate for the first 6 months of Obama’s presidency when it was accelerating because of the massive downturn that he inherited and before any of Obama policies came into effect. You cannot turn off the unemployment switch on day one. Impossible. So you starting the clock above in your analysis in January 2009 is not really all that accurate.

If we start the clock at say June 2009, when Obama’s policies first, came into effect, your analysis is very different.

June 2009 employeed  140,438,000
June 2009 unemployeed  14,721,000

December 2011 employeed  140,790,000
December 2011 unemployeed  13,097,000

That is a drop in the unemployed of 1,624,000 through Obama’s policies. If you consider that more than 500,000 government employees have been laid off during this period, then Obama has really created closer to 2.124 million jobs.

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Now on to your one and only argument; the size of the labor force.

The labor force has been shrinking largely due to demographics and with a slightly higher impact of discouraged workers leaving the labor market.

The best way to look at the employment picture is to look at the percentage employed versus the population ratio.

1) the demographics in the country are changing. The bulge in the baby boom generation means that we are having an ever increasing record number of people retiring every year. The workforce in naturally shrinking.

52.6 mm people were on Social Security in December 2011.

http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/quickfacts/stat_snapshot/

In 2007 that number was 46.6 mm. That is an additional 6 million people retiring in the last 4 years and they are all baby boomers.

The numbers of young people entering the work force has not kept up with the growth in retired people, so the labor market is naturally shrinking. Likely a million or so a year.

2) The decline in the workforce is a long term trend. Civilian employment to population peaked in 2000 at about 64.5%. It is now close to 58.2%. It has constantly been declining for the last 12 years. Well before Obama became President. How do you explain that? That pretty much blows your argument out of the water that unemployment is really much higher because of the lower labor force, but the labor force has been shrinking signficantly for a long time, so it is not all about discouraged workers.

3) The employment to population ratio for those of working age has been fairly constant. Looking only at the working age population eliminates the noise created by changes in demographics. But, even here we have seen a steady decline since the 1990s, as the impact of more women in the work forces has run its course.

If you care to do some actual research beyond FOX, here is a good chart showing the longer term trend in the decline in the participation rate and the anaylsis that says demographic trends are having a bigger impact on its decline in the labor market rather than more discouraged workers.

http://www.upjohn.org/node/701

4) If you look at the Prime age employment to population ratio (25 to 54 years old) which really factors out almost all the demographic changes, it has fallen, but not that much,. No big drop during Obama time. And it itself has been trending down for a very long time.

http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2011/12/comments-on-employment-population-ratio.html

“The employment-population ratio really increased in the ’70s and ’80s for two reasons: 1) favorable demographics as the baby boom generation moved into their prime working years, and 2) a rising participation rate for women. But that trend was about to change even if there hadn’t been a severe recession.”

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We would all like to see a bigger and quicker recovery, but to say there has been no recovery and Obama has had no success in bringing this economy out of a deep dive and improving the employment situation is complete bullshit.

You just have to look at the recent polls.  

“Americans are growing more optimistic about the state of the economy and direction of the country, according to a new NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll out Wednesday evening, and President Obama is receiving better grades on his handling of the economy and job as a result.

More people said they believe the economy will get better (37 percent) in the next year rather than worse (17 percent). That’s the highest level in more than a year and a seven-point jump over last month. It also represents a reversal from October, when 32 percent of Americans said they expected the economy to get worse, versus 21 percent who expected improvement.”

“Republicans had better bring their A game to the election in November, as today’s results are a reminder that as attitudes about the economy improve, so does President Obama’s standing,” said Bill McInturff, a GOP pollster who conducts the Wall Street Journal survey with Democratic pollster Peter Hart.

You do not improve economic confidence without some results.

Now on with the juvenile personal insults or censor me or whatever it is you do that makes you feel happy. Bang away!!

Improving on their own… yes. But only after the morons quit changing everything at once. (actually the republican injection at mid term did this) It was the total uncertainty of the unknown changes that killed more jobs than the anti-labor  policies…nothing is a jobs killer worse than uncertainty… nothing has been for certain since the Obot in chief (who loves himself enough for all of us put together) was sworn in.

By the way LJ, I look forward to your reply. Pull out your next big can of whoop ass.

+2.8% growth is very far away from a second recession.

PA,

You’re giving percentages and statistics, and we know a little about how those percentages can be made to paint a picture that is nothing but fantasy.  Larry is writing about actual PEOPLE when he gives his numbers.  These are the people who will be casting votes.

Yes. There is iron in your words. There is a reason republicans don’t love Romney and it’s not that he is Mormon or that he is wealthy… I wish people could get past these reference frames… but there is a reason they have been thrown up and that reason is to confuse.  Not saying Newt is perfect… but he will make Romney run to the right so long as he stays in… the more Romney runs to the right the better a chance he has to not turn into Obama lite in the general election. My Romneycare is better than your Obamacare… if the debate is this… then we have lost. It needs to be about jobs… the economy… jobs… the economy. Romney doesn’t need to talk about anything else… just stay on point and show the country that he believes in America… believes in Americans and that he has vision… this alone  would separate him from Obama by a mile… Obama has none of this… nor does he understand regular America… he can understand how to dangle the carrot of government money… but we are running out of other peoples money… dangling other peoples money is not vision. Obama has no real vision. He is a community organizer who divides people and creates enmity between people in order to exploit people and co-opt their power to the larger ends of his party elite… in short he is a tool. Nothing more. Ironic his mother’s name was Stanley… a name found on a lot of tools… because Barack grew up to be the biggest tool of a President ever.

It’s easy enough to get a strong feel for the economy just by reading the business section of a pro-Obama newspaper.  Of course there are small improvements in the economy since we hit rock bottom in the same month that it became apparent Obama was going to be elected, but there is no cheer to be found in reading business reports daily.  Stocks go up a little, then back down.  Employment edges up a bit during the holidays, but nobody is celebrating temporary blips.  Housing starts, hiring, interest rates… these are all still in the pits.  If a pro-Obama newspaper can’t find any good news to report on the state of business, employment, stocks, and the economy in general, that pretty much tells the story, even without wavy data graphs and abstruse number comparisons.

You are full of shit.  Deal with the facts.  Almost 6 million fewer people in the work force since Obama took office.  That’s an economic holacaust.

We have Barack Obama, a man with absolutely zero
interest in making plain the nature of the problems we face.  He wants to make it seem like jobs are coming
back, that the deficit is under control, things are on the right track.  Whether this is cynical positioning or mere
delusion on his part is uncertain.  It
has been evident for some time that he and his advisors are prone to buying
their own hyperbolic exaggerations about his greatness, so they might be
convinced by propaganda such as this. 
Regardless, Team Obama cannot be counted upon to show the public exactly
where we are—in terms of the deficit, the economy and the changing relationship
between individuals and the state

Obama is planning mass genocide in the form of thermonuclear World War Three, so why should he worry about people and their lack of a home or a job?   Why should he care if he is being challenged as ineligible to be president?   His track record reeks of bloodshed.
Anyone who is writing a congratulatory piece on the accomplishments of this man has oligarchical ties and hates the human race.   It isn’t possible to love the USA and believe that we enjoy sovreignty based on the principles and mandates of the US Constitution, and be a fan of the man currently living in the WH.   So, false ideology has people deceived who are led by their emotions and live a life dominated by the pleasure/pain syndrome.   Facts are things that can be established in a courtroom and can never be appealed.    The Law itself can appeal legal decisions based on precedent.   So, the guy who is telling you that the economy is improving is factually incorrect, did he present a legal argument that supports genocide?    Anyone who is going along with the current Administration is knowingly or unknowingly a genocidalist.     Someone who practices eugenics.    Like Rahm Emanuel’s brother.

Impossible.   There has to be an intention to follow the intent and principles enshrined in the US Constitution in order for the real economy, the human economy, to flourish.   Any one who will tolerate the oligarchical monetarist system that was imposed on the US by the traitors who allowed the FED to utter debt in the form of money is giving our sovreignty to a foreign power.  The FED is nothing but an offshoot of the Inter Alpha Banking Group that is the cartel that is centered in the City of London and owned by Jacob  Rothschild and family.
Drug money etc is laundered and used to promote war and social uprising and finances both sides of each battle.   How could the true productive human economy that is based on the precepts of FDR and JFK exist when the genocidal oligarchs are intent on triggering World War Three.   How do you think that this will improve things, on any level?  

He’s able to defy the Law and violate the Constitution and lie and cheat his way through each day, doesn’t sound like “stupid” to me, sounds like “UGLY”.     Only thing is, God doesn’t like ugly.    Better look out……………………….

He has said a few sensible things.  This is one of them.
The obstacle to this and any good idea is that first of all the Glass Steagall Act has to be reestablished in it’s entirety.
Once that is done, and the oligarchs are out of business, their monetary system closed down, the gambling casino declared illegal, the bailouts cancelled, then the Congress can utter credit under Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution.
At that point NASA would be one of the first things to refund, and yes, a Lunar Colony would be the first outpost to set up.  Why?
Because the need to provide the power, in the increasingly needed energy flux density required, would have invaluable benefits for civilization, namely nuclear fission and fusion power that will change our world.   We could then plan the manned mission to Mars from the Moon, because the gravitational pull is far less than on Planet Earth.
We would also activate the NAWAPA project, sitting on the back burner since the death of JFK and build the mag lev railroad system we need to meet our transportational needs of the future and in so doing will put the huge chunk of the unemployed back to work.
Meaning ful work, these projects will take in some cases up to or more than two generations time.   We will also have to refinance our states, reinstate their vital services, firefighters and police, teachers and medical workers etc, and get on with a new Bretton Woods, fixed exchange rage treaty with Russia and China for starters, to endeavor to provide a protective defense system for the Planet Earth because of the turbulence in our Solar System in our Galaxy.
Why start putting down a wonderful plan for the future it’s not cool man.

The cash they’re sitting on is worthless.   We need to reinstate Glass Steagall, bankrupt those banksters and start a new National Bank and have Congress utter Credit as per the Economic Model set forth by Alexander Hamilton in the US Constitution.   The Credit would be issued through this new bank, the FED would be under bankruptcy protection.
So don’t worry about the monetary system, it’s as dead as the dodo and it’s not coming back.  No never, anyone who thinks otherwise is flogging a dead horse.  Horse, dodo, take your pick,   the monetary system of the oligarch’s IS DEAD.
So we better pick up the pieces and get on with being American again…………………………..otherwise you may just be waking up to World War Three breaking out, and then what?

That’s fine………………………it’s his choice.

In the loony bin.

Exactly what is happening before your very eyes, and it will get worse if not stopped.   We can’t wait any longer unless you are thinking you might survive thermonuclear World War Three.

That’s why la Rouche put the moustache on his face.

What economy?   How can a dead monetarist system, that is a virtual exercise, that is siphoning off the life savings and pensions and stealing peoples homes lives, their jobs etc, resemble anything like an ECONOMY, the human economy, not the cyber economy is what we need to remember is what the ECONOMY is.  HUMAN ECONOMY.   You can’t mix the monetary system and the Alexander Hamilton economic model in one thought process, one is a system of indebtedness based on oligarchicial genocidal intentions, and the other, a Credit System, with a currency called money too, is how FDR and JFK operated the economy, putting people to work on projects that take us into the future, improve our civilization and extend our human capabilites out to the max.   We have to engage ourselves with projects that increase our resources, and concentrate on developing greater energy flux density fuels so that we can combat the challenges that face us on this planet under the current Galactic turbulence.   You are not going to make a profit or a quick return on the investment in the continued existence of manking, but if you don’t want to go extinct, then we have no choice but to invest in a decent future, and expand our vision to improve our earths weather patterns, and to develop the capability of living and working in the Arctic and Antarctic where so much of our resources are located, and learn the techniques that will enable us to colonize the Moon and launch manned missions to other planets, starting with Mars from their.   To explore the Universe…….   there is so much more than tweeting to life.

Six million no longer in the work force Mr. Colostomy Bag.  Why Colostomy and not Douche?  A Colostomy bag, like you, is completely full of shit.

Hmmm…Larry lays out hard numbers, PA answers with seasonally adjusted percentages of which the basis is not specified, but look suspiciously like those laid out in the Democratic talking points that they send out weekly to potential speakers and blog commenters..  More imporatntly, however, no answer is givien for the six million that disappeared from the workforce under Obama but which appear to be included in (or should I say, omitted from)  PA’s upbeat percentages.  Oddly enough, six million also disappeared under Hitler.  Is history trying to tell us something?

Larry, perhaps the Republicans “disappeared” said six million workers in black boxcars with “UN” painted on the sides that were outfitted with Japanese-manufactured, modern design lightweight aluminum guillotines.  After all, according to PA, the Republicans were smart enough to completely thwart Obama and the Democrats even when the Democrats had unilateral control of the White House, the Senate and the House during the first year of the Obama administration.  If Republicans can do that, getting rid of a mere six million workers without Obama or any of the Democrats knowing about it should be child’s play.

PA, you’ve lost this round, sorry..

Obama never took Econ 101, the asshat just doesn’t get it.  Anyone that supports this moron is either a moron himself or just a plain and simple asshole !  I work with two idiots that support everything thet Obamadinijad does, he can do no wrong in their eyes.  Its sad that people like these arn’t born sterile, because both have produced clones of themselves.  I also work with people that voted for Obama, but they will tell you that they screwed up, and it won’t happen again.  If you learn from your mistake, thats something on the positive side, but to blindly follow this idiot down the path to ruin, and proclaim that you are going to vote for him again is insanity .The only truth that has come from our Moron-in -Cheif, is that he had made mistakes every day . 

I agree but who ever gets the White House usually has long coattails and can carry the Senate and house.

Speaking of the UN.
Try reading this.
Agenda 21: Conspiracy Theory or Real Threat?

http://townhall.com/columnists/rachelalexander/2011/07/02/agenda_21_conspiracy_theory_or_real_threat/page/full/

Republicans can’t be bothered by informing people about the real state of the economy, they’re too busy bashing each other.

I seldom bother to read anything PA says. Same old Obama ass-kissing love fest we’ve had to endure for so long from the obots.

What always intrigues me is why someone like that comes here and tries, and usually succeeds, in picking a fight day after day. He/she/it knows full well they aren’t going to succeed in convincing anyone to agree with them. So what’s the point? Just to be disagreeable? Damn that’s kinda sad when you think about it. Disgusting too, but still sad.

I’m surely not part of any Republican establishment and I want to see Gingrich taken down.  That man has serious and fatal flaws.  He cannot win and frankly, he should not win. 

meant to post this website as well, the stats are staggering as to how much Americans are suffering. This article is really worth a read.

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/if-the-economy-is-improving

PA, don’t let you little empty head swell.  You are still as unimportant as you thought (knew?) you were.  Your only value is that you have become the face of all Obots; all of the paid commenters that are out there to mindlessly enforce a second term for the current Occupier in chief.  That simply makes it easier to address all of you en masse.

While I agree with Larry’s assessment, I do not agree with feeding any troll.  I do believe you (all trolls) are capable of sustenance by consuming your own waste, and you’ve certainly left enough droppings (with just this one post) to feed yourself for years.  Chow down.

and that article’s first stat listed on how this is still a depression;

“If the economy is getting better, then why are there 6 million less jobs in America today than there were before
the recession started?
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Gee, where have I read that before????

You might try taking a look at this article and see what really happened regarding Newt:
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/what-really-happened-gingrich-ethics-case/336051

I am one of those nerdy Star Trek people.  I love the idea of space exploration.  I and from the Kennedy era, when the possibilities seemed endless.

That was then and this is now.  Yes, I would like the space program going strong.

But first there is the sticky problem of our horrible financial situation.

Newt may have grandiose (his choice to accept that adjective) ideas.  Heck, I can have grandiose ideas.  I, however, would not have a clue how to get them working.  And I believe neither does Newt.

When the economy is booming again—I’m all for it.

Serious and fatal flaws? Maybe.  But, Romney was brought up in a Progressive house, looking up to a father who was an admirer of Saul Alinsky.  We’re already seeing Alinsky tatics used in the primary.

I believe as close as we get to elections we will have more paid professional trollers who will distort, lie, deceive, etc……AND attack (or hack) anti Obozo websites. 
So we will see more of PA and all others but not as we have seen in 2008. 

No longer fooled by a fool who is charming and charismatic.   

“The King has no clothes.”  Buy this Hans Christian Anderson Children’s book and Start a chain by sending it to family and friends so they can get the hint. (and have a laugh)

I have already started to send these books out with a note as to “NO longer be fooled by a fool.”

Have you herd that the State of Georgia is challenenging his eligibility to be on their voteing ballet as the Incumbent for the Demcratic Party ?
 The Judge hasn’t ruled on it yet.
 What is your opinion on this matter
 Thanks;
 William L. Partain?

Have you herd that the State of Georgia is challenenging his eligibility to be on their voteing ballet as the Incumbent for the Demcratic Party ?
 The Judge hasn’t ruled on it yet.
 What is your opinion on this matter
 Thanks;
 William L. Partain?

Binky, I lived through the Newt era–he was devisive and corrosive, just as he is now.  I know all the history, though I did take your link but did not learn much new. 

I am totally sick to death of this partisan bickering, so I DO WANT A MODERATE.  It seems apparent to me that many in the Republican Party do not want to have to deal with Newt again, innocent or not.  Newt admits to being grandiose—now look up the meaning of that term and understand that it carries many NEGATIVE connotations.

As far as his class goes that he was sued about, I wish some would do more about bringing cases against the many Marxist professors and ultra-left leaning brainwashing that is going on in many public universities.  That said, I also don’t like classes that might have a political leaning of any sort.  Under our system, however, they are indeed legal.

When did it become right to think we should “frame” students’ minds, to indoctrinate them to some sort of thinking?  I remember when the idea was to present the core knowledge of one’s subject, to present all points of view, to train students in logical thinking, and then to allow them the benefit of making up their own minds.

LJ,
 
 
A pretty lame reply from you to my fairly extensive response to your post.
 
 
Also, it is very cheesy to change your original post and title above after I have commented.
 
 
I think you are confused. You are confusing two issues with your response to my comment. You are confusing your belief that you think the unemployment pictures is bigger or worse because of the shrinking labor market with whether Obama has indeed made progress improving the employment picture. Two separate issues.
 
 
I think when you ask the question whether America is economically better off today than in 2009 the answer is clearly “Yes”, by any measure; employment picture, job losses, GDP growth, stock market, corporate profits, housing market, etc. The country has come a long way back since the depth of the recession thanks to Obama’s policies in helping us dig our way out of the big hole the GOP left us in.
 
 
Let me break it down into two separate discussions to make it easy for you and your NQ readers. They seem to need some help.
 
 
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Lets once again deal with your claim that the unemployment pictures is much worse than we are lead to believe because of the “6 million” decline or “holocaust” in the labor market. As I went through in great detail above, yes there is a larger number of people that have dropped out of the labor market because they are disgruntled. No disputing that. However, the number is not nearly as big as you claim and certainly nowhere close to 6 million in the last few years. There is no “holocaust”.
 
 
The labor market is naturally shrinking. The demographics tell us that because of the huge wave of baby-boomer retirements that are now upon us (really started to accelerate in 2008-2009) there is naturally about a 1.0 million a year reduction in the workforce from baby boomer retirement. The Social Security Admin facts I reference above tells us that. So far during the Obama years almost 6 million more Americans retired and there have simply not been enough 16 year olds to replace the retiring baby-boomers, not even close to enough (read the analysis I reference above). In addition, if you look at the long term trend I show you in the participation or labor force per population charts above, the labor market has been declining since it peaked in 2000. Well before Obama became President. How does that square with your argument?
 
 
I am sorry if your readers don’t understand the reason why it is important to look at the labor market as a proportion of population, as the ratio tells us what is really going on, as it nets out impacts of population growth. It is really not that complicated. You cannot just look at whole numbers.
 
 
Yes, under Obama the number of disgruntled workers has increased, given the unprecedented recession, but not all that much when you look at the Prime age workers of between 25 to 54 years old, which largely nets-out the demographic impacts of the baby-boomers. The change in the labor force for these prime-age workers has basically just followed long-term trends, as I show you in charts above. However, I acknowledge, as I always have, that it is fair to say that the real unemployment may be slightly higher now because of more disgruntled workers, but you cannot go overboard as your claims do.
 
 
Now whether Obama has improved the employment situation is a completely different question to arguing about what has impacted the size of the labor market. And that is where you are confused.
 
 
****
 
 
As for whether Obama has improved the employment picture, the answer is “yes” and those improvements are accelerating. By any measure; employment rate, the drop to well below 400,000 in weekly claims (400,000 is generally considered to be the threshold where you start to see the unemployment rate drop), a net 1.0 million change in monthly job creation (going from a net loss of 800,000 jobs per month in 2009 to now adding +200,000 a month), etc., things have gotten better.
 
 
In fact, so far, as I mention above, Obama is exactly tracking the trajectory of your buddy Ronnie Reagan’s unemployment rate improvement. Reagan did exactly the same as Obama in massively increasing spending and reducing taxes, although many economist think Volker’s reducing of interest rates did more to improve the economy and employment than Reagan’s tax cuts.
 
 
As for you quote:
 
 
“And Obama added jobs? MY ASS!! The number of unemployed has INCREASED BY 1,481,000 since January 2009. Got that? Almost 1.5 milliion people have lost their jobs. Obama claims to be creating jobs but the numbers tell the true story.”
 
 
So lets look at the actual numbers then. Obama became President on January 20th  2009. The drop in non-farm payrolls in January 2009 was 598,000, so most of that cannot be put on Obama. So that takes your number down to 1.0 million more unemployed since Obama took office. You conveniently start the clock on January 1, 2009 when it should really be started according to your logic on January 20th.
 
 
So lets use your strange logic and actually start the clock on inauguration day and blame Obama for the additional one million unemployed since he became President. Unemployment peaked June 2009 at 14,721,000. So base on your logic we can blame Obama for the 1.0 million increase in unemployment in February, March, April, May and June of 2009, even though he inherited the decline in unemployment and those additional job losses came before he was able to put any policy in place. But, lets just say for arguments sake that Obama is responsible for those additional 1.0 million of unemployed.
 
Again, you seem confused, as saying there are more unemployed since inauguration day is not at all the same as saying that Obama has made no progress in improving the employment situation. As he certainly has improved the unemployment situation since peak unemployment shortly after he was inaugurated.
 
 
According to the numbers your quote above, in December 2011 the unemployed stood at 13,097,000. So that is 1,624,000 less unemployed since the peak unemployment in June 2009. That is considered progress in most circles. And if you exclude the +500,000 of local and state government employees that have been laid-off (which Obama has no control over) the decrease in private sector unemployment is well north of +2,000,000 and approaching 3.0 million since the peak unemployment in 2009. That is significant progress and more importantly the employment improvements are accelerating.
 
 
In fact, from the Bureau of Labor the U.S. economy has seen 22 consecutive months of private-sector job growth, beginning in Feb. 2010. During that 22-month period, the number of jobs grew by almost 3.16 million, or about 143,000 per month. In 2011 a fully 1.83 million of those jobs were creating, suggesting an acceleration in job growth. In fact, 2011 was the best job growth year since 2005. Do you dispute these facts?
 
 
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As per you comment:
 
 
“All the Republicans have to do is run an ad every day keeping track of the fact that more Americans are out of work and out of the labor force after three years of the Obama miracle. Those fact will kill any chance of an Obama second term.”
 
 
Unfortunately for you exactly the opposite is happening. In last week’s WSJ/NBC poll the public has become much more confident about the future and more confident in Obama’s ability to manage and improve the economy. Polls also tell us that 70-80%  of people do not blame Obama for the high unemployment, as most know he inherited this mess.
 
 
That is very bad news for the GOP and Romney. Not only does the public have no confidence in the GOP running the economy, but their one and only issue of the economy and unemployment is becoming less relevant.
 
 
 
And as for Romney. he has a terrible jobs record. He was 47 out of 50 Governors when he was Governor of MA in job creation. Romney has no record in job creation. The only thing he was good at doing was increasing public sector jobs at a rate six times faster than private sector jobs in MA when he was Governor.
 
 
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/mitt-romney-tries-to-play-the-jobs-card-2010-02-23?pagenumber=1
 
 
Your personal insults just suggest you have no game or argument, but bang away if you must.

But, if anyone would like have a real discussion and argue the facts, I would be happy to.

Funny stuff…. you are a serious guy.

Funny stuff…. you are a serious guy.

Always an easy cop-out to instead of dealing or debating with an alternative view to attack the messenger as a “paid professional troller”. What a fantasy world you live in. Lame.

Always an easy cop-out to instead of dealing or debating with an alternative view to attack the messenger as a “paid professional troller”. What a fantasy world you live in. Lame.

THANKS LARRY!  Thanks so much for telling the truth.

THANKS LARRY!  Thanks so much for telling the truth.

You are right about Republicans not bothering to inform people about the real state of the economy. That is true.

You are right about Republicans not bothering to inform people about the real state of the economy. That is true.

A completely worthless comment. No substance and just a lot of bullshit. Why don’t you give us you top five beefs with Obama and add some real value.

A completely worthless comment. No substance and just a lot of bullshit. Why don’t you give us you top five beefs with Obama and add some real value.

You to read a little harder and take-off your tinfoil hat.

You to read a little harder and take-off your tinfoil hat.

So you think going from -6.2% GDP decline to +2.8% is a small improvement. So you think going form losing 800,000 jobs a month to gaining +200,000 jobs a month is a small improvement. So you think getting back +70% of the stock market’s value is a small improvment. What world do you live in, clearly not the real world “moderate” Steve_in_KC.

Great comment Diana.  I get that same gut feeling about Newt, that I had about Obama.  Although Newt tries to come up with ideas that will solve our problems, I get the distinct impression that he, like Obama, would never listen to anyone else, because of course, he is the smartest man in the room and knows what’s best for us.

there must be a ‘drink-some-more-kool-aid’ website out there with the numbers PA gave because my stupid liberal friends posted the same sh*t on her FB.  Regurgitate what is spoon fed, that is what they do.

I think at one time, at a younger age,  I would have admired Saul Alinsky too.  I was 18 and young and I didn’t like the Viet Nam War.  I wasn’t a hippie, but I could understand that they thought they were trying to change the system.   Isn’t it possible to change your mind and to become more conservative as you age.  I hate these gotcha-he once supported…  As a recovering Democrat of over 36 years, I can tell you, that your political views can change.  I can tell you that what you believed in your heart of hearts forever, just doesn’t work for you anymore.  You realize that handouts are not the same as a hand up, and that out of control spending is not helpful to anyone.  If I can change as I get older, why can’t Romney too.  I just wish conservatives could stay out social and personal issues and then we could really get along. 

I think at one time, at a younger age,  I would have admired Saul Alinsky too.  I was 18 and young and I didn’t like the Viet Nam War.  I wasn’t a hippie, but I could understand that they thought they were trying to change the system.   Isn’t it possible to change your mind and to become more conservative as you age.  I hate these gotcha-he once supported…  As a recovering Democrat of over 36 years, I can tell you, that your political views can change.  I can tell you that what you believed in your heart of hearts forever, just doesn’t work for you anymore.  You realize that handouts are not the same as a hand up, and that out of control spending is not helpful to anyone.  If I can change as I get older, why can’t Romney too.  I just wish conservatives could stay out social and personal issues and then we could really get along. 

run an ad every day keeping track of the fact that more Americans are
out of work and out of the labor force after three years of the Obama
miracle. Those fact will kill any chance of an Obama second term.
sounds good to me !!!!

Saul Alinsky tactics–get in their faces and shout at them if you have too.  He’s just following the manual, like any good little follower would do.

sing it sister!!!!!

AMEN brother.

What exactly are you disputing? What exactly do you have a problem with?

What exactly are you disputing? What exactly do you have a problem with?

Telling the truth about what?

Telling the truth about what?

Another meaningless comment. Just juvenile personal attacks and no one actually arguing any substance. 

Another meaningless comment. Just juvenile personal attacks and no one actually arguing any substance. 

Yawn.

Yawn.

The number of people actually employed has decreased under Obama.  Starting at 142 million in 2009 and now at 140 million.  Only a totally ignorant twit like you would pretend that things are swell economically. 

The number of people actually employed has decreased under Obama.  Starting at 142 million in 2009 and now at 140 million.  Only a totally ignorant twit like you would pretend that things are swell economically. 

We still have the Way, now we have to reestablish the Will. We have to be willing to do the right thing, not continue to play along with those who are in denial, who insist that the monetary system is here to stay. The reason we fought the War of Independence was to get out of the clutches of the oligarchs and their genocidal banking and monetary system. The somehow or another sneaked back in again one Christmas Eve and the FED has been doling our owr currency in the form of indebtredness and collecting the interest ever since then. This is not in accordance with the Alexander Hamilton model of economy, which is a CREDIT SYSTEM, whereby Congress is mandated by Article 1 Section 8 to utter credit so that the American People’s lives should progress, should be productive, and will keep up with the demands of the times, to provide decent jobs, living quarters, healthcare, retirement for the elderly and education for everyone based on truth, not on the “parrot” way of educating people now, just learning the answer is not being educated.
We have to teach our younger generations how to think based on the truth, and to kjnow and understand the principles embodied in our Constitution and set forth in the Holy Bible.
Not to ram religeon down anyone’s throats, but to instill a knowledge of the Law of the Universe which governs us all and is ruled by our Creator. You may disagree and have opinions about this sort of thing but that’s fine until the arguing and off center interests unbalance the way we are to be governed. Special interest do not have We the People at heart, okay. So we have to reestablish Glass Steagall by passing HR 1489 introduced by
Marcy Kaptur D Ohio and then having placed the too big to fail banks into
bankruptcy protection, including the FED, proceed with step two, which is
to open a new Federal National Bank and have Congres start uttering Credit
through it to commercial banking institutions which will finance guaranteed
gigantic intrastructure programs by the Government for the future
development of civilization and to provide for the ever increasing
population, which by the way is a good thing.
In order to accomplish the projects that are needed to refloat the HUMAN
economy, we will need all the manpower we can get. This is how the human
economy is operated, we plan ahead, sometimes two or three generations down
the line. We need a mag lev Railroad System, we need water and weather
management programs like NAWAPA to be consturcted, we need NASA back up and
running again. All these will be financed by the Credit uttered by
Congress at low interest rates, and the return will not be measured in
terms of another holiday home and a new Royal Britannia boat for the Queen,
it will be valued by the amount of productive lives that are being lived,
and the creative power that is released as a result of liberating people
from paranoia and fear of a “terror” attack. We have to employ our
military to do that for which it was designed. It was never meant that our
forces were perpetually fighting one war after another.
The military men and women who participated in the Moon Mission under
Kennedy, were doing what they signed up for, to defend the nation
Of course we need to take responsibility for what goes on in the “space” we
occupy in the Universe.
We need the Strategic Defense initiative originally planned under Reagan
and now being proposed again in an expanded form for a mutually beneficial
purpose by Putin, in conjuction with the space engineers in China.
There, I hope you won’t get lost in the labyrinth of trying to pay those
pesky oligarchs their unpayable debt any more, there demands are not
iegitimate and the means by which they stole peoples money that was
entrusted to the commericial banking institution and turned their morgages
and education loans in to gambling chips and lost and lost and lost their
hedge bets which were not legitimately covered by the insurance companies
who also stood to benefit short term from this dastardly scheme.
They have to be shut down, by reinstating Glass Steagall. Anyone in
Congress or in the Administration who would stand in the way of this and
saving mankind from certain extinction, is not thinking correctly, and is
therefore not fit to be in their job. We have the 25th Amendment sEction 4
in the Constitution just for this reason, should Obama prefer to go ahead
with World War Three which will undoubted be thermonuclear, then he does
not qualify any longer to act as president.
He should be constitutionally relieved of his duties, to take a long hike,
or vacation or golfing trip, whatever he chooses, take his retinue of chefs
and personal body men with him and let his resume our life as Americans and
lead the world population into a fabulous future leading to the stars,
literally!!!!!!!!!!

We still have the Way, now we have to reestablish the Will. We have to be willing to do the right thing, not continue to play along with those who are in denial, who insist that the monetary system is here to stay. The reason we fought the War of Independence was to get out of the clutches of the oligarchs and their genocidal banking and monetary system. The somehow or another sneaked back in again one Christmas Eve and the FED has been doling our owr currency in the form of indebtredness and collecting the interest ever since then. This is not in accordance with the Alexander Hamilton model of economy, which is a CREDIT SYSTEM, whereby Congress is mandated by Article 1 Section 8 to utter credit so that the American People’s lives should progress, should be productive, and will keep up with the demands of the times, to provide decent jobs, living quarters, healthcare, retirement for the elderly and education for everyone based on truth, not on the “parrot” way of educating people now, just learning the answer is not being educated.
We have to teach our younger generations how to think based on the truth, and to kjnow and understand the principles embodied in our Constitution and set forth in the Holy Bible.
Not to ram religeon down anyone’s throats, but to instill a knowledge of the Law of the Universe which governs us all and is ruled by our Creator. You may disagree and have opinions about this sort of thing but that’s fine until the arguing and off center interests unbalance the way we are to be governed. Special interest do not have We the People at heart, okay. So we have to reestablish Glass Steagall by passing HR 1489 introduced by
Marcy Kaptur D Ohio and then having placed the too big to fail banks into
bankruptcy protection, including the FED, proceed with step two, which is
to open a new Federal National Bank and have Congres start uttering Credit
through it to commercial banking institutions which will finance guaranteed
gigantic intrastructure programs by the Government for the future
development of civilization and to provide for the ever increasing
population, which by the way is a good thing.
In order to accomplish the projects that are needed to refloat the HUMAN
economy, we will need all the manpower we can get. This is how the human
economy is operated, we plan ahead, sometimes two or three generations down
the line. We need a mag lev Railroad System, we need water and weather
management programs like NAWAPA to be consturcted, we need NASA back up and
running again. All these will be financed by the Credit uttered by
Congress at low interest rates, and the return will not be measured in
terms of another holiday home and a new Royal Britannia boat for the Queen,
it will be valued by the amount of productive lives that are being lived,
and the creative power that is released as a result of liberating people
from paranoia and fear of a “terror” attack. We have to employ our
military to do that for which it was designed. It was never meant that our
forces were perpetually fighting one war after another.
The military men and women who participated in the Moon Mission under
Kennedy, were doing what they signed up for, to defend the nation
Of course we need to take responsibility for what goes on in the “space” we
occupy in the Universe.
We need the Strategic Defense initiative originally planned under Reagan
and now being proposed again in an expanded form for a mutually beneficial
purpose by Putin, in conjuction with the space engineers in China.
There, I hope you won’t get lost in the labyrinth of trying to pay those
pesky oligarchs their unpayable debt any more, there demands are not
iegitimate and the means by which they stole peoples money that was
entrusted to the commericial banking institution and turned their morgages
and education loans in to gambling chips and lost and lost and lost their
hedge bets which were not legitimately covered by the insurance companies
who also stood to benefit short term from this dastardly scheme.
They have to be shut down, by reinstating Glass Steagall. Anyone in
Congress or in the Administration who would stand in the way of this and
saving mankind from certain extinction, is not thinking correctly, and is
therefore not fit to be in their job. We have the 25th Amendment sEction 4
in the Constitution just for this reason, should Obama prefer to go ahead
with World War Three which will undoubted be thermonuclear, then he does
not qualify any longer to act as president.
He should be constitutionally relieved of his duties, to take a long hike,
or vacation or golfing trip, whatever he chooses, take his retinue of chefs
and personal body men with him and let his resume our life as Americans and
lead the world population into a fabulous future leading to the stars,
literally!!!!!!!!!!

alicewolf,

Your ideas are as grandiose as Newts.

Just saying…..

We are made in the image of God, so if we have the idea to live up to that then I guess you could call that grandiose. We are also to pick up our cross and follow Jesus, so how grandiose is that. It’s ironic.

The real, actual numbers of people employed and unemployed.  It is called reality.  Try it sometime.  You prattle on about meaningless, manipulated statistics.  I simply put the actual facts in front of you.  Under Obama’s “leadership” almost 6 million people have disappeared from the labor force.  Did they all return to Mexico or were they abducted by Martians?  Then look at the actual number of people employed.  THE NUMBER EMPLOYED DECLINED BY ALMOST 2 MILLION BETWEEN JANUARY 2009 AND DECEMBER 2011.

You can’t stand the truth.

The real, actual numbers of people employed and unemployed.  It is called reality.  Try it sometime.  You prattle on about meaningless, manipulated statistics.  I simply put the actual facts in front of you.  Under Obama’s “leadership” almost 6 million people have disappeared from the labor force.  Did they all return to Mexico or were they abducted by Martians?  Then look at the actual number of people employed.  THE NUMBER EMPLOYED DECLINED BY ALMOST 2 MILLION BETWEEN JANUARY 2009 AND DECEMBER 2011.

You can’t stand the truth.

I can explain it to you, but I can’t understand it for you.  Have another glass of Kool-aid.

You must have trouble reading. I have never disputed any of your facts. You talk about 6.0 million leaving the labor force, but you give no reason why those people left. You need to do a litte more research. A big chunk of those leaving the labor force are people retiring that were not replaced by younger people looking for work. Read the research. This has been the demographic trend for some time, given the baby boomers. The size of the labor force peaked in 2000. 

It is you that cannot deal with reality throwing up numbers with zero context. Amateur hour.

See my comment above regarding total number of people employed. Yes we know the total number of people employed has declined. That is why we have a high unemployment rate. Duhh… What is your point? 

My point is that things in the economy and the employment picture has been improving.

If you want to blame anyone for the high unemployment and lower number of people employeed blame the President who actually was responsible for the recession in the first place. George Bush. Obama has only been trying to clean up Bush’s mess. And he is doing a very good job, particularly given circumstances (biggest recession since Depression, two wars, an opposition that blocks everything and wants to see the country and Obama fail, etc.).

Who says things are “swell economically”? Where exactly have I ever said that?

You like to create strawmen and then basically argue with yourself.

I have only said that things are getting better, which they are. There has been a significant economic turnaround since Obama took office in 2009.

Of course there are less people employed then in 2009, as we have a high unemployment rate, which you can thank your President Bush for that.

Do you even both to look at all the numbers.

In December 2009 there was only 137,953,000 people employed and today there is, as you say 140 million. That is a significant improvement and more than half the way back to the pre-recession 142 million number. That in only two years during the biggest recession since the Great Depression, an unprecedented opposition that blocked everything and with very few tools.Obama policies has put people back to work and has improved the labor picture. That is a fact, using your own numbers. http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_01082010.pdf
137,953,000 people employed and today there is, as you say 140 million. That is a significant improvement and more than half the way back to the pre-recession 142 million number. That in only two years during the biggest recession since the Great Depression, an unprecedented opposition that blocked everything and with very few tools.

Obama policies has put people back to work and has improved the labor picture. That is a fact, using your own numbers.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_01082010.pdf

You keep drinking your KoolAid. I know mine tastes good.

“Obama’s Economic Holocaust”. A Holocaust?  Huh??????

That’s a misleading comment. The population is getting older and as baby boomers start retiring the number of people in the workforce will get smaller. Anyway, what is the House & Senate Republican plan for reducing unemployment? More trickle down economics?

How about , he hasn’t told the truth on anyting since taking office.  He hasn;t created one single job.  He’s dumber than a sack of hammers.  He didn’t  even exist until 10 years ago, try and find a real birth certificate or transcript from any school, or a classmate that actually saw him attend a class.  Appointing 36 staff members that owe back taxes.  Can’t account for the stimulus monies he has stolen.  Can’t operate his zipper without help from Valerie Jarrett.  ADMITS TO HAVING MADE A MISTAKE EVERY HOUR OF EVERY DAY SINCE TAKING OFFIEC.. .

Bush has been out of office for three years now.  It’s in all the papers

Its impolite to talk or post with your mouth full.  Just eat your droppings and be quiet.  

What was the Democrat’s answer to the problem in the first two years of the Obama administration when they controlled all 3 branches.  Oh yea, it was the huge stimulus bill that did absolutely nothing for us except the raise the amount of debt we are in.  Great job!!

The only thing Obama ever created is chaos, anger, distrust, and division among the American people and her allys. The most monthly jobs that have been created since Obama took office was the 200,000 so called “new jobs” last month, in December. But Santa Claus created those jobs, not Obama. And Santa will fire those same people after the holidays are over. We should have hired Santa to run the country instead of the guy who doesn’t even celebrate Xmas and therefore could not have created those 200,000 Xmas jobs. Obama does better at the Ramadon festival when it comes to job creation because there at least he has to hire extra cooks seeing as how Mooshell doesn’t cook. Did you get an invite to the party in Hawaii this Xmas? I hear Larry Sinclair was a no show, because he couldn’t take off from his job. Did you hear about the Georgia trial the other day? Do you think private citizen Obama should be compelled to pay a fine for not adhereing to the subpoena or should he invoke exec. privilege just because he doesn’t like Georgia and its States Rights Laws?    Regards

That’s a hard question to answer, because they claim that those of us who understand it to be a reality, are conspiracy theorists.  And, at the same time, they turn around and confirm its existence.

This is the latest New World Order tactic….deny the legitimacy of our questions, while telling us to get over it, and deal with it, simultaneously.

The other night I went to a dinner party with folks I’ve known for years, and absolutely NO one believes Barky has done a good job.

Some outright claim we have a problem, and the Dems have to find a way to boot the whole gang out of there, before the Democratic Party is discredited for generations (too late….)

Others honestly believe he inherited the WHOLE megillah, but nobody’s claiming that he’s actually competent or has the skills necessary to rise to these challenges.

The only place I see anyone completely defending him and in the tank here are these few commenters here, and on another blog I frequent.

Larry-I know you are open to all points of view, but PA is annoying as hell because he refuses to open his eyes.  Can we please vote him off the Island?

PA: “In December 2009 there was only 137,953,000 people employed and today there is, as you say 140 million.”

PA: “Obama policies has put people back to work and has improved the labor picture.”

If nothing else, PA, you’ve proven that you’re not a “paid professional troller.”

A pro wouldn’t leave a trail of distracting grammatical howlers.

Gotta keep the suckers on message, PA, not pointing and laughing at your 5th grade education.

They got it right. He’s the kiss of death. He could easily be removed constitutionally from office once the penny drops that he is rooting for thermonuclear World War Three. However unpatriotic Congress and or members of the Cabinet may be, realizing that they are looking at the end of civilization and mankind as we know it is what they’re having for breakfast tomorrow morning, then the alternative will suddenly become very attractive.
We have to have a really ambitious plan for the future, a nuclear fusion future, a future that encompasses the global defense system envisioned by Putin based on the Defense Shield proposed by Reagan but never implemented, and the development of water and environmental management by reviving the NAWAPA plan devised under JFK and opening up the Arctic and Antarctic regions with domed cities and mining facilities for the mineral resources we need, which will teach us how to construct colonies on other planets, starting with the Moon and then from there launching a manned mission to Mars. We have to increase the energy flux density of our power supply so we can support the seven billion people we now have and growing numbers, because we will need every hand on deck to get our economy going. We have to do the right thing, reinstate Glass Steagall, shut down the gambling banks, have Congress utter credit at low interest rates for projects that will stretch far into the future, up to several generations time, and the return will not be another vacations home for Jamie Dimon but it will be for the creative ability of the human species to be unleashed and make the transition from being earthbound to the fulfillment of the extraterrestrial
imperative.
When it was said that the world wasn’t flat some people were not able to
deal with the idea, yet we managed to adjust to the idea of the planet
being round, so we will adjust to being able to deal with the Universe as
our future environment not just as a backdrop.
It is essential that we rise to the occasion and start using our creative
natures to create instruments that enable us to see further than the end of
our noses. Kennedy had the courage to get American astronauts to the
moon, and ever since was regarded as a threat to the oligarchs, he and his
brother were asassinated in a heart beat. We have to regain momentum and
leave these unpatriotic fearful losers to their own fate and get on with
what we were created to be, in the image of God. God is certainly not
stuck in an office on Wall Street, looking at a computer screen and
devising another exotic financial instrument, or to put it less politely
another crooked scheme to suck more money out of the veins of the useless
eaters. Next time you have dinner with your friends
you can tell them about all this wonderful stuff and see if they can
still believe in miracles.

Come on people I would expect a higher lever of conversation on here. LJ goes out of his way to post a comment about my comment. I come back with several meaningful rebuttals and all I get from LJ is some BS about what I did not say. He throws out some numbers that make no sense and just hang-out there with no context. Not one single person on here including LJ actually address the issues or point I raise with any substance. Just a bunch of lameass juvenile personal attacks. What are you afraid of? A real debate? Good luck with that come November.

Again, if anyone can dispute the fact that the economy has a pretty good turnaround since 2009 I would like to hear it? So far nobody including LJ has made any kind of an argument to dispute that. This will be the key question come 2012.

And if LJ only qualifier to whether the economy has turned around in only 3 years is that the employment level needs to get back to 142 millon then great. It was 140 million in December. If we do 200,000 job adds a month through 2012, then that will put us at, wait, 142.4 million. 200,000 a month is very achieveable, particularly when job growth has been accelerating recents, as 2011 was the biggest job creation year since 2005. That would be a heck of a turnaround in a pretty short period of time, given the depth of this recession. What are you going to argue then LJ?

And I would add – fast and furious, the racist Justice Department, all the green energy money that has been poured into businesses that are failing, demonization of all who don’t agree with his tactics as “teabaggers” and racists, disregarding his sworn duty to uphold the law of the land (try helping Arizona rather than suing them, Mr. Obama!, and if you don’t like DOMA, work to get legislation through that negates it, rather than just deciding you won’t enforce it!), treating the Constitution like toilet paper, racking up debt at high speed, criticizing the do-nothing Congress while he parties, golfs and vacations the days away……

Oops!  Forgot about – NDAA (and we all know when you make a sigining statement, you don’t mean it), calling Fort Hood “workplace violence”, the czars, legislating through regulation,….
I could go on forever.

I’m thinking that you might suffer from something that I see quite often with people – they don’t understand the math that they are being presented with.  This is very similar to those who say that Warren Buffet’s secretary pays twice as much in taxes as Warren does.  I note there are several ways for this to be misunderstood.
1)  Some people don’t understand that there is a different rate for capital gains than there is for earned income.
2) Some people don’t understand that  Warren Buffet actually would pay much more than his secretary in dollars — it is just the per cent of his earnings that he pays in federal taxes that may be lower.
3)  The average tax payer actually does pay a lower per cent of his income in federal taxes than even Warren Buffet.  This is because most people do not pay the rate that is prescribed for their income level because of deductions, etc.   Their actual rate is much lower when all is said and done.
4)  In order for Warren Buffet’s secretary to pay 25% of her income in federal taxes, she probably has to be making a pretty large amount of money – probably somewhere in the range of $250,000 or more.

Similarly, I’m thinking that you don’t understand that when you remove the discouraged worker from the equation, the numbers change, so that saying that the unemployment numbers are around 8.6% means nothing unless you understand that there’s another several percentage points that are missing.  Also, we are not losing people due to retirement.  In order to keep the rate the same, we would have to be adding 150000-200000 jobs or so each month in order to keep our noses above the water.  In order to reduce the rate, the numbers would have to be much higher. 

I think there’s a reason that most of the people who support Obama and think he’s doing a good job also tend to be people who do not have hard science or mathematics in their backgrounds.  They are easily fooled by the spin on numbers that we are fed every day by those who know that the majority have no idea what they’re talking about.

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I agree he (or she) is annoying, but he is also a good reminder of the stupidity of the Obama team.  We’re clearly getting under his/her skin.

PA, as Larry so elequently just told you, with Obama there is no beef. Just kool-aid and the people like you who drink it.

“I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. I feel something terrible has happened.”

What was the population of Alderaan?

LJ, I vote for the later, “abducted by Martians”.

Of the humans that left the labor pool, the PA says you gave no reason as to why 5,674,000 souls vanished from the rolls.

Here is another “toid” for the board.

There are 1.4 million “very long-term unemployed” who have been out of work for 99 weeks or longer, according to a new report from the Congressional Research Service.
Ninety-nine weeks is a milestone for the jobless because that’s the limit for unemployment benefits (though 99 weeks are not available in all states). Beyond that point, the jobless aren’t eligible for much help besides food stamps and charity. The job market for anyone out of work that long is downright hostile.

and I even quoted Huffpo, so PA could swallow it.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/24/crs-report-99-weeks-unemployed_n_813182.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfFTGOEB-5c

http://www.dlt.ri.gov/lmi/laus/us/usadj.htm you wanna argue those numbers?How about we talk about the carryover in presidential policies as well? Obama’s policies didn’t begin going into effect until around half a year after Bush was done so we’ll say July of 2009. At that point the unemployment rate was 9.5%, we can’t blame him for what it was when he immediately took office because his policies weren’t even in effect yet. Well we can blame him it is just unfair and a false accusation, but that doesn’t stop you and faux!

Oh and since january 2008 (the year and a half before Obama’s policies) the unemployment rate rose a whopping 4.5%!!!! By October 2009, so within a few months of his policies taking effect, the unemployment rate reached its max at 10% and it has been going down since. I think that’s a pretty miraculous turnaround. 

The rate is 8.3% now, that’s 1.2% lower than when his policies started taking effect.

Stop spreading the propoganda that you believe to be truth, if you were to research a little you’d realize you’re the one being mislead.