Setting the Record Straight

I’m not a Bush fan, but Odrama makes him look good. I am just dreading the new Worst POTUS in history.

America just elected the scariest person in the world (Hey, maybe Olbermann coulg get in on that) and think he is going to change things in a positive way.

The dumbing down of America, complete…mission accomplished.

are we to read into this article that No Quarter is going to join the Barackula lovefest now?

I may be negative and anry, but some of us have to stay away from the kool aid and actually try to hold this guy accountable. Can you please do that No Quarter? Who else will?

I’ll be able to admit if he does something good. Clinton SOS to me will be good for country, maybe not for her, but she chose that back in May. But let us not forget that this guy is creepy and someone must remain on guard.

I whole-heartedly agree. Many in the Bush administration should travel straight to The Hague to stand trial on January 21st. (Lawyer up, Big George, Dick, Don, Colin, Paul, Doug, Little George!)

I continue to maintain Obama will be just as bad….starting with abuses of his database of email addresses of who are loyalists. I won’t be convinced that he won for any reason other than he’s not Bush.

“If those of you who come here to be apologists for George W. Bush don’t like what I’ve written, well, I don’t actually give a fuck.”

How does ending a post by telling readers you don’t “give a fuck” help?

I am one of those who have had little to say of late. Obama is the same despicable character today as he was on November 3, 2008. I do not intend to forgive and forget. The right wing nuts are going crazy after finding out that by not supporting and voting for Obama, they now have him as their President.

If people feel xenophobic, why shouldn’t they feel free to express it? Maybe websites need to post a roster of “values” so that any prospective contributor can see if he/she falls within the acceptable political sphere for that site.

Well, I’m sick of the lovefest for both.

Never liked any of the Bushes…and I don’t like Obama.

Too much taking up for Bush from people who say they’ve been democrats all their lives, or independent. I could never in my wildest dreams imagine me saying “Bush kept us safe for all these years!” I can only imagine republicans saying that. Maybe there’s been so much hatred for Obama, that it’s blinding the hatred for Bush??? Or in some minds, Obama just makes Bush look that much better??

I’m not going to sit here and take up for the republicans who have shit on us for years. Nor will I say “Oh, I’ll give Obama a chance”. If he’s a bad president…I expected as much. If he’s a good president, I’ll be happily surprised. I’m kinda banking on that he’ll be a complete do NOTHING president, like he’s done his whole life…nothing.

I’m 41 years old. Bill Clinton is the only president I’ve liked in my lifetime, and I’m pretty down on politicians. So I expect them to suck.

This is a scary time. People don’t know what to think because we know nothing about him. He’s been protected and things are covered up for him. What is he going to do as president that we won’t even know about.

I do think it’s wrong for people to assume the worst, and I do think it’s wrong for people to assume he will do the best he can. He’s been on that Afghanistan committee and not held ONE meeting??? How can you say that’s doing the best you can??

I love dcmediagirl’s blogs and tend to agree with much of what is written. however, this entire board has been calling Obama a muslim, American hating, marxist, Hitler throughout the entire primaries and elections. This isn’t anything new. And I don’t see anything wrong with people expressing that.

I still think he needs to show his birth certificate. However, it’s been too long with too much procrastating that the ones who question him now won’t ever believe it’s real. Like me.

It seems like a lot of Obama lovers are hanging on here. I’m getting pretty tired of the “I know more than you and am better than you because I’m not scared about Obama” attitude. I was scared when Bush took the presidency. I cried saying “what will happen to this world” when they took Florida away from Gore. I’ve been just as scared with obama. The man keeps talking about war with Pakistan – he’s got a wierd obsession with it like Bush did with Iraq.

I’m all about moving on but not about forgive and forget, not for the Bush crowd.

I’m also not about to forvie and forget the Obama crowd. What was done to Hillary. What was done to Sarah Palin. What was done to Joe the Plumber. What was done to SUSAN! The bots on this site. I’m not forgetting any of it. I can move on, but I’m not forgetting.

Ok, already written too much…no one will read this!

dcmedia girl wrote:
“I’m all about moving on but not about forgive and forget, not for the Bush crowd.”

from helping LIEberman keep his gavel to saying he has not plans to prosecute or even fire the government employees who tortured people I think we begin to get an idea of what is coming.
I hope not but that is my fear.
but your post is right on. Bush apologists should be put our of our misery or try posting at townhall.

I think 10 million Republicans might have stayed home because they were told by the MSM McCain was 15 points behind…especially on the west coast, where the polls close after results are coming in on the east coast…

the MSM really does control a good deal of this , and with BO in office, and the extreme affair the MSM is having with his image, we are in for a long ride. I just got my Newsweek, it is unbelievable…it reads like Axelrod wrote it,..or maybe Ayers.

thank youuuu media girlllll!!!!!

I second that emotion!!!

:0)

I read your web page every day. I hope that you will continue to inform us.

I was a strong Hillary supporter and not too keen on Obama. I still don’t like the President Elect. I watched Obama from the very beginning. I saw how he lied; there are too many things that just don’t sit well. For example: Contributions, Ayers, Wright etc. etc.

I’m not much of a writer which is why I have not been posting.

Lisa

dcmediagirl
I respect the perspective you offer, and your sharing your thinking even as you expressed reservations about putting your thoughts out here!

One of the [many] aspects of the Obama movement that unsettled me from the inception of his campaign, is the tendency to categorize and pigeonhole people using stereotypes and generalizations. I see this trend reflected in your piece, as you make references to “those of you”, “those posters”, and “the tin foil hat crowd”. In my opinion, generalizations are divisive and severely limit opportunities for thoughtful dialogue. Similarly, suggesting that people need to “check” themselves, or characterizing unspecified individuals as “hysterical” or “unhinged” is not, in my opinion, an invitation to open discussion.

Offering disagreement or even waging good conflict is a wonderful way to expand thinking and knowledge. Negative stereotyping of PEOPLE, in contrast with crtiticizing IDEAS – or a statement like “I don’t actually give a fuck” – are very effective ways of dumbing down and shutting down serious discourse.

I value NoQuarter as a forum to learn and engage in ‘conversation’ about issues that are extremely important to me. I also value it as a place where there are still opportunities for “thinking out loud” and exchanging ideas. In life, in general, 90% of what we say is bullsh-t, but we have to be open the the entire 100% to get to the 10% that’s real!

JMHO

Hey, I don’t like George OR Barack. I think the voters got the government they deserved for eight years. You vote for it, you deserve it. Now they will get the government they deserve for at least the next four.

usually the comparison to Stalin or Hitler is in the way Obama attained the Presidency.

perhaps the more moderate users have been banned due to minor transgressions sometimes in response to Obots. I hear alot about that.

I am very much sick and tired of the writers at No Quarter WHINING about the comments. First, it was a stern admonition that we had to only respond to stories strictly ON TOPIC unless the topic said “open thread.”

Now, we’re told we’re not welcome here if we have genuine concerns over Obama’s cult of personality and narcissism leading to a Hitler-like regime? And we’re told we must hate Bush to be here?

I personally think it’s the over the top Insane Bush Hatred that PUT Obama into office in the first place!

Meanwhile, the reason the comments here have lessened recently is OBVIOUSLY because the election is passed, and some folks have moved on while others have been taking a break. I’m not here as much as I used to be for that reason.

If the Powers That Be want more intelligent conversation in the comments, then they can contribute some. Otherwise, to continue to complain that your site gets lots of traffic and interaction, but boo hoo, it’s not exactly the “quality” of people you were looking for???

Well…keep at it with the high-minded attitude and you WILL chase away everyone but the most extreme.

You don’t create good online communities by berating people like this.

Is the crime outlined below somehow not relevant because it was not commissioned by Bush but instead by the Messiah?

A late breaking story today could make the next 24 hours much more interesting as explosive allegations were published today in the American Spectator regarding Obama’s Aunt Zeituni Onyango (”Auntie Z”) confirming that the Obama Campaign and Mass. Governor Deval Patrick had knowledge of her illegal status and willful violation of the 2004 deportation order as early as 2007. If true, such actions by the Obama campaign and Patrick could constitute criminal acts according to Section 1324 under 8 U.S.C.A. 1324 (a)(1)(A)(iii) and (v).

The main source on for the published article regarding the Obama campaign’s knowledge of Auntie Z’s situation is an employee at AKP&D Message and Media, which is a political consulting firm employed by the Obama campaign. A secondary source for the fact that the Obama campaign was well aware of the status of Obama’s family members is an Obama campaign media aide. The gist of the allegations is that in early 2007, David Axelrod, the crack chief strategist for the Obama campaign, ordered a full investigation of all of Obama’s family members to prepare/defend against possible political attacks regarding Obama’s family during the campaign.

Obama’s position is that he had no knowledge of Auntie Z’s status as an illegal alien:

KATIE COURIC: you have an aunt who’s been living in this country apparently illegally, and your campaign says any and all appropriate laws should be followed. So would you support her being deported to Kenya?

SEN. BARACK OBAMA: If she has violated laws, then those laws have to be obeyed. We’re a nation of laws. And, obviously, that doesn’t lessen my concern for her. I haven’t been able to get in touch with her. But, I’m a strong believer that you obey the law.

According the main source at OBama’s political consulting firm, AKP&D Message and Media, here’s how Obama’s campaign came into knowledge of Auntie Z’s status and how it was dealt with:

Axelrod had actual knowledge of Auntie Z and all other relatives in early 2007, and decided to use Deval Patrick as a monitor over Auntie Z to make sure she stayed out of trouble and out of the media’s eye:

Back in early 2007, as Obama’s chief campaign strategist David Axelrod was organizing and planning the Obama campaign, he identified Obama’s unique family situation — a number of half-brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, some living overseas — as a potential problem, says an employee for Axelrod’s political consulting firm, and who has done work on the Obama campaign. “Given [Obama's] father’s family history here and in Africa, David wanted the campaign to know who was who, where they lived, and what they were doing. No surprises. We knew she was here illegally. We knew her income levels, but I don’t think anyone from the campaign had had contact with her.”

Instead, according to the source, Axelrod reached out to his former client, Patrick, who had retained Axelrod’s firm for his run for governor. Onyango was living in a state-funded housing project, “so Patrick’s people could just as easily keep track of things, and could do it without drawing a ton of attention,” says the AKP&D Message and Media employee, who requested anonymity as he hopes to get a job in an Obama administration should the candidate win. “If we had Obama people around, the media would probably have found her much sooner. She was in [Obama's] book, it wasn’t like she couldn’t be found.” Indeed, that is exactly how the London Times found her.

While the South Boston housing project is managed by the Boston Housing Authority, it is a state-funded facility, according to the BHA press office, and so it would not be uncommon for state housing officials to be on the grounds or in the area. “Patrick was the go-between, he’s trusted by David and Senator Obama,” says the aide.

An Obama campaign aide, the second source, at least partially confirms the AKP&D Message and Media employee’s account with respect to Axelrod’s knowledge of all Obama relatives:

Some Obama aides believe that Obama was briefed at least twice by Axelrod or campaign manager David Plouffe on the status of family members. “We tracked who was talking to the press, we kept in touch with some of these people,” says an Obama campaign media aide. “Anyone who thinks we didn’t doesn’t understand just how nervous we were about all of these people, particularly the members of [Obama's] father’s family. Axelrod had everything covered.” The aide said she was never present for such a briefing, but “we all knew the candidate’s family was being taken care of, to protect their privacy and try to contain any damage.”

To summarize, according to the two sources quoted by American Spectator, the Obama campaign was well aware of Auntie Z’s immigration status and presence in America in early 2007. Furthermore, if true, the Obama’s campaign used Axelrod’s client and Obama’s ally, Patrick, to keep watch over Auntie Z until after the election. The allegations of the two sources is confirmed in part by Auntie Z’s quoted response to the British press before they broke the story:

“I can’t talk about it, I just pray for him, that’s all,” she said, adding: “After the 4th, I can talk to anyone.”

It is well within the realm of possibility that Auntie Z would have only known to refuse comment if she was told to say that, likely by the Obama campaign. The two sources, Obama’s political consultant’s employee and the Obama campaign media aide, bolster this likely occurrance. The importance to tomorrow’s election becomes whether or not such agreement between the Obama campaign and Patrick to “monitor” Auntie Z until the election is a vioation of federal immigration laws, namely 8 U.S.C.A. 1324(a)(1)(a)(iii) and (v), which prohibit as a felony:

(a) Criminal Penalties
(1)(a) Any person who…
(iii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, conceals, harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien in any place, including any building or any means of transportation;…
(v)(I) engages in any conspiracy to commit any of the preceding acts, or

(II) aids or abets the commission of any of the preceding acts,

If the Obama campaign had knowledge of Auntie Z’s immigration status in early 2007, and then Axelrod worked with Patrick to suppress any uncovering of such status since then, there is an arguable violation of the statute above as such actions would each constitute an individual act which “conceals, harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien”, as spelled out in (iii) in the statute above. Any Obama campaign employees or Patrick staffers could be liable for conspiracy to commit violations of the Section 1324 and aiding and abetting violations of Section 1324 under subsection (v).

A review of case law regarding this matter tends to support the position that the Obama campaign’s activities, in conjunction with Mass. Governor Patrick, could have violated Section 1324. Indeed, the entire purpose of Axelrod’s alleged contacts with Patrick regarding Auntie Z was to suppress the public disclosure of Auntie Z’s illegal alien status and the lawful, immediate deportation under the 2004 Order. If true, the statements quoted in the American Spectator make out a prima facia case for a criminal indictment under Section 1324. As the 5th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals, U.S. v. Cantu, 557 F.2d 1173 (5th Cir. 1977) opines:

We agree with the conclusion in Lopez that section 1324 does not prohibit only smuggling-related activity, but also activity “tending substantially to facilitate an alien’s ‘remaining in the United States illegally.’ ” 521 F.2d at 441.

Jury instruction as to meaning of “shield.” Cantu requested that, in charging the jury concerning the meaning of “shield” as used in section 1324, the district judge include as a synonym the word “hide.” The judge declined to include “hide,” and Cantu contends that this refusal was error. Although “shield” and “hide” may in some contexts be synonymous, in the context of section 1324 they are not. Section 1324 forbids attempts “to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection.” Were “shield from detection” used synonymously with “hide” then “conceal” would be redundant. Therefore, the district judge did not err in omitting from his charge “hide” as a synonym for “shield from detection.”

If Axelrod coordinated with Patrick to keep watch over Auntie Z since early 2007, with knowledge of Auntie Z’s status as facing a deportation order, a prima facia case can be made under Section 1324 for a criminal indictment. Considering the seriousness of these allegations, CentristNet hopes that the mainstream media moves to ask these questions before America votes tomorrow. Moderate, centrist and independent voters will be on the edge of their seats to see what the Obama campaign and the mainstream media has to say about his interesting controversy.

The ultimate question is whether voters agree with Obama’s position that he had no knowledge of Auntie Z’s situation, or whether voters tend to distrust Obama’s position that he had no knowledge. Perhaps such issues will be irrelevant as Obama has promised not to speak wth the press until after the election. Regardless, the Auntie Z episode leaves many questions unanswered by the Obama campaign, and every centrist, independent moderate voter can only hope that the Obama campaign decides to provide information regarding their actions pertaining to Auntie Z prior to the election tomorrow.

all the regulations in the world won’t hurt BAMBI

if his own birth certificate or
college records
or health records
or Acorn records
or State Senate Records
or SCARY associations and mentors

didn’t DERAIL HIM

I rather doubt a OLD tired illegal Auntie of the newly elected CIC will matter to even the Enquirer

jmo BUT hope I’m wrongo

DCMediaGirl,

Thank you for your post. 8 years of Bush have indeed been dreadful. That is that. And 9/11 did happen on his watch. There were warnings but since this administration had no respect for Clinton’s — they did not heed them.

As for Obama, I do not need to paint him in extreme terms to feel he is dangerous. He is dangerous because he is unqualified and completely dishonest. His whole campaign was based on one fabrication after another. That is dangerous enough for me. No other concerns are needed for me than that.

You forgot the collapse of the American economy.

As Wes Clark said, quoting Eisenhower, (paraphrasing) our strength is not derived from our military, but our economy.

Bush trashed it, it’s important to remember this needs to be addressed, and soon.

Thank you for entry, btw.

Guantanamo: PATRIOT Act -
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I hope the Guantanamo is kept and we keep these murderous yellow bellies (using kids and mother for bombing )people inside “forever”. Without any tials or speech. You might say to yourself, “why the soldier is not forgiving – well, this soldier knows what these yellow bellies will do when they are loose in the United States waiting for trial, they will regroup and bomb us again. No paranoia just facts. The Patriot Act- yes keep the damn thing on – when Obama gets in the white house it will change to “Citizen Act” and all the internet and blogs will be spied into IP addresses anyway, so why don’t we just keep the old Bush Patriot and not give the SOB a chance to pass a new one with new spy language.

I know that you were referring to others on your lengthy long writing, but, let me make something clear to the readers and you, This country was based on Yeshua’s laws, founded on Yeshua’s law, and Judeo-Christian values- if you are a different faith, such as jews and muslims born and call yourselves ‘americans” – then fine- but let not others come or write and tell us that this is “not a christian nation” and if some of you liberals or unbelievers can’t handle the truth- well….there are other countries you can go to worship the G-d you love. America and Yeshua all go in the same pocket bag. As Yeshua might be saying to some of you- get over it!

You all kill me!….you really do…this site is full of people being WAY too sensitive to every word that comes out of Obamas mouth. Give me a break…the man bleed’s just like you and me …HE CAN NOT WALK ON WATER AND PACIFY EVERYONE AND BE PERFECT IN EVRYONE’S EYE’S. He is a MAN, not God or Jesus for that matter,..neither is he the anti-christ for god’s sake. You know what he is?….same thing Reagan AND Clinton were, a lucky SOB that came along when the country was thirsty for change from the previous party in control.

I still read the articles often when there aren’t any comments yet, but I’m just sad of the ignorant. I knew those 12 questions they asked the obama people. everyone here could have gotten at least 10+. But the obama people mirrored those of my friends. very sad.

I agree with “Hillary or Bust” further up in the comments.

As for the original post:

There are those of you who are writing about Barack Obama in increasingly hysterical terms, comparing him to Hitler

Say what now? You disapprove of those comparing Oblowme to Hitler? WHO were the people posting the videos that juxtaposed Oblowme’s Blueshirt Children next to Hitler’s Youth? Oh, that’s right–NoQuarter posters like Uppity Woman and Rabble Rouser Rev Amy. Are you telling them to “go check themselves”? Because IMO, those two are a couple of the BEST posters we have here at NoQ! In fact, MOST of the awesome NoQ posters here–posters, not commenters–are the ones posting the videos that have Obama compared to Hitler and Hitler’s tactics (which I appreciate, BTW, because I haven’t the energy to seek these videos out on YouTube myself). Where the Hell does your sentiment come from, dcmediagirl? How do you reconcile that the commenters who comment like that are merely coming away from the posts with the same sentiment as the original posts?

Nice going using “hysterical” in your description, too. That’s not at all sexist/contrary to the party line here, either.

The fact is that a lot of us still hate Bush and that hasn’t gone away, but Obama is the one who had his Blueshirts from Camp Obama raze the entire Democratic Party and then the country with the same kind of charisma (and branding) that Hitler had. Oh, and that way cool two-parter about Obama and Narcissistic Personality Disorder? I believe that too mentions something about Hitler (I believe, I’m not sure, it’s been a couple of days since I read the first part of the article). Should the author of that one “go check herself”?

I love NoQ, but every once in a while there’s this one post that’s severely off the mark…I guess this one is it for this month.