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So Santorum Wasn’t a One-State Wonder; May Win Three States (+ UPDATES)

Since I don’t have photos of Betty Grable, or my area’s Irrigation Festival Queen, here are screenshot clips of Politico’s homepage as of 11 p.m., 02-07-12:


Update: 3 Colorado’s GOP announces Santorum the victor, via CNN.
Update: 1 Romney is now ahead of Santorum in Colorado – slim lead, reports Wolf Blitzer. May be a long night. Update: 2 Btw, CNN is doing a great job of covering the returns, better than Fox, I must say. (Here’s my POV: Fox’s coverage is always compromised by sticking with the regularly programs (O’Reilly, Hannity, Van Susteran) — is it written in their contracts? — who insist on doing segments completely unrelated to the night’s breaking news. Fox’s apparent inability to break with O’Reilly et al. also badly affects their post-debate coverage. Fox assembles a terrific analytic panel run by a REAL reporter, Bret Baier, but Baier’s panel is lucky to get 5-8 minutes before Fox is compelled to switch to the mediocre, one-note ramblings of Hannity. That’s when I switch to CNN, which outclasses Fox in all respects with its superbly planned coverage of each primary return. Only Van Susteran is up to the job.)

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More below:

Earlier, as I waited for returns, I checked out the list of delegates won to date. This list (see right) will change in the next few hours, thanks to Santorum’s big victories!

Here’s the take from one of Politico’s op-eds:

The AP just called the Minnesota caucuses for Rick Santorum, giving him his second victory of the night.

It’s another no-delegate contest but still a huge feather in Santorum’s cap, after what turned out to be his win in Iowa was called for Mitt Romney on caucus night there.

The Colorado caucuses vote is neck-and-neck between Santorum and Romney right now and will be too close to call for a while. But it is shaping up to be, at least as it stands now, a difficult evening for Romney.

Romney came in third in Minnesota, despite having the backing of former Gov. Tim Pawlenty, in a state where he beat John McCain in 2008. …

  • HELENK

    In the You Can’t Make This Up catagory.

    Bradley Manning for the Nobel Peace Prize

    The Nobel Peace Prize has become a sick joke

    http://hotair.com/archives/2012/02/08/super-bradley-manning-for-the-wait-for-it-nobel-peace-prize/

    • Anonymous

      I heard OWS, the New Black Panthers and Timothy McVeigh were on their short list!

    • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

      1. Getting nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize is not difficult. It doesn’t mean anything. It doesn’t take much to be nominated, it doesn’t mean that person has a serious chance of winning it.

      2. Bradley Manning is a hero.

      • Scottymac54

        I agree with you.

  • Tricia

    I was stunned, frankly.  But what it means to me is that the Republicans don’t like any of heir choices.  They flit around and don’t settle, like “noseeums.” 

    Strange times.  Can someone explain a brokered convention?

  • Tricia

    I was stunned, frankly.  But what it means to me is that the Republicans don’t like any of heir choices.  They flit around and don’t settle, like “noseeums.” 

    Strange times.  Can someone explain a brokered convention?

    • beachnan

       I also think that maybe Romney’s supporters thought they had this in the bag, so they didn’t bother going to the caucuses. 

      • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

        One of the many nonsensical excuses coming from Team Mitt and his supporters.

        The truth is much simpler: People don’t like Mitt Romney.

        • Guest

          Definitely. I don’t care if it was a primary or a caucus…the weather or whatever.  After 5 years and hundreds of millions in negative campaigning this should have been essentially wrapped up three weeks ago. Instead he can barely go one news cycle without a backlash with turnout down in practically every county Mitt has won since SC. The telltale signs are there. People just don’t like him. No matter how they spin it….turnaround specialist… loves this county…can get the moderates…people don’t like him. Get it already or there is going to be a third party. 

           

  • PA

    Romney cannot win in Minnesota where he has had Pawlenty at his back for months.

    Romney cannot win in the mid-west.

    The non-Romney vote is still very strong.

    The biggest story so far in the GOP primaries is the very low turn-out in every state that has so far had a primary. That does not bode well of GOP enthusiasm come November. The GOP can have all the money in the world, but with no enthusiasm it will be tough.

    Romney is still likely to win, but he is not a strong candidate.

    His tax issues alone are going to be a very big problem. A number of Obama’s nominees for positions had to drop-out for many of the same type of things Romney has with his taxes. $50 mm in the Caymen Islands does not look good.

    • Jrterrier

      from another blog:

      Mr. Santorum did relatively well in Minnesota …. but at 44% of the caucus votes, he earned 21,436 real votes. For perspectiv­e, in 2010 the Republican candidate for Governor (Tom Emmer) received 910462 votes – and lost to Democrat Mark Dayton (919,232). So Mr. Santorum received support from less than 3% of Republican voters who showed up at the last Read More… election. He received about 1% support total from among the 2 million voters who cast votes in 2010. This suggests that there is not some huge groundswel­l of support for the conservati­ve Mr. Santorum. Just 3% among Republican­s, 1% among active voters?

      • Guest

        I think the issue here (which PA called “the biggest story so far in the GOP primaries”) is exactly what you’ve pointed out: the low turnout.

        Where’s the enthusiasm for Romney? Why aren’t Republican voters motivated to come out and support him in any sort of numbers? And since they clearly aren’t motivated by strong feelings about Romney, what’s that say about the general election in November?

        Maybe Republicans feel strongly enough about Obama that they’ll pour out in droves to vote against him in the general. But really, given how horribly tepid Republican support for Romney has been, it looks like anti-Obama is the only strategy they can possibly have. Pro-Romney just isn’t going to work.

        • Anonymous

          They have listened to the media constantly saying Mitt is going to be the eventual nominee, so why bother coming out now. They WILL be there in the general.

          • Guest

            I don’t think that’s it. When I am truly excited about a candidate, I will go out and cast a vote for them even if I know it’s not going to be close. Most primary voters are like that — they are the core party members who take politics really seriously. It can’t be a good sign for Romney that they’re so disinterested in him.

            Now, granted, they’ll probably be there in the general, because the Obama hate runs so strong. I’m just saying that Romney’s going to be limited to saying “look how bad Obama is” rather than “look how great I am.” It’s become obvious that nobody thinks Romney is that great.

            • Anonymous

              Seems like the voters were pretty excited in 2010 when they threw the dummies out.

              • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

                2010 is ancient history. The new dummies are the idiots that got voted in that year. The Tea Party congress is the most unpopular congress in history.

              • PA

                We will see how many of those Tea Party morons who got elected in 2010 are still there after 2012.

                Overreach by GOP governors in states like Wisconsin, Ohio, Indiana and Florida will result in a lot of Tea Partiers having a very short career. The Tea Party itself has pretty much already faded, as you are well aware. You yourself have aleady given up the cause and we have not even reach the next Presidential election.

          • PA

            Always the Media’s fault for something with you Republicans.

            That gets a bit old.

            How about your party is just simply lacking talent and has been split since 2009. The more radical Tea Party crowd/Evangelicals, like yourself, in one group and everyone else (like LJ).
            The GOP is essentially falling apart, despite a slight blip in enthusiasm or the protest vote against Obama getting elected in 2010.

            You may be able to win the mid-term with an anti-Obama message, but the electorate is entirely different in the general election where having only an anti-Obama message will not work.

            I increasingly think that Romney is going to get destroyed once the Democrats get to work on him.

            • Anonymous

              Obama is a liar.
              That`s all people need to know.

              • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

                That’s pretty rich coming from a party that is likely going to nominate Mitt Romney who has had at least two positions on almost every single issue. You do not want this election to be about who is a liar. 

                • Anonymous

                  Obama has more positions
                   than the Kama Sutra

                  • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

                    cute line. but no facts to back it up. Romney is on record having been for & against just abouteverything. You can’t just say things have them be true. 

                    Romney is a real flip flopper and the evidence is there to proofve it. 

              • wylrae

                Frankly, I doubt if that will be enough to even come close to defeating him.

              • Anonymous

                Of course he is. He’s a politician. But he claimed to be different. Not so much. Just another mediocre pol with delusions of grandeur.

          • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

            They were there in 2008 too (these same lunatics already hated Obama and they loved Sarah Palin) … there’s not enough of these fools to win a general election.

        • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

          Anti-Obama is going to be a very weak strategy indeed if the economy continues it’s upward swing.

          Obama wanted to be the Democratic version of Ronald Reagan and I think 2012 may end up looking a lot like 1984 (although admittedly – he will lose more states than Reagan as there are a handful of states so red that Obama could still lose them even if he gets 60% of the popular vote.)

      • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

        This is a big problem with caucuses particularly in a party with as many crazies in it as today’s Republican Tea Party. A small portion of the party can control who the party’s nominee ends up being. This is how the GOP might end up getting stuck with a total loser like Santorum… 

        • Jrterrier

          very similar to what happened in 2008 on the DEM side where Obama won a lot of caucuses.

          • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

            The difference is that Barack Obama was a very strong candidate who won the general election easily. Rick Santorum is a nut.

            The fact is Democrats don’t go nutty for people like Dennis Kucinich … we’re a pretty sober minded folk for the most part. 

      • beachnan

         I realize the President is running unopposed, but the turnout for the Dem side is probably as bad or worse.

    • Scottymac54

      “Romney cannot win in the mid-west…”

      Disagree!  You are making the same mistake reporters and the financiers make.  You are not taking the quiet moderates, independents who make highly individualized and changeable judgements of candidates, and the ABOers.

      Independents are the bane of the corporate pollsters’ existence.

      They’ll answer four different polls on one day and provide four different conclusions, based on how the questions are phrased, and their perception of the pollsters. 

      • PA

        Nice spin…. so far we have had blame the media, blame the weather and now blame the pollesters or the way independents answer poll questions….

        come on.. that old NQ logic is just so funny sometimes.

        There has been not one shred of proof that Romney is all that popular. He was not all that popular in 2008 and he is not all that popular in 2012.

      • PA

        Nice spin…. so far we have had blame the media, blame the weather and now blame the pollesters or the way independents answer poll questions….

        come on.. that old NQ logic is just so funny sometimes.

        There has been not one shred of proof that Romney is all that popular. He was not all that popular in 2008 and he is not all that popular in 2012.

  • Jrterrier

    OT– a little shocking to hear a Justice of the Supreme Court saying that the US Constitution should not be a model for the world and pointing to the constitution of S Africa.  Let’s see, the US Constitution has served us well for more than 200 years; SAfrican constitutution, a couple of decades?  She is on tape telling Egyptians to look elsewhere that the US Constitution: 

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/06/ginsburg-to-egyptians-wouldnt-use-us-constitution-as-model/

    .

    • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

      *sigh* more manufactured controversy from the right wing propaganda machine. don’t you guys ever get tired of this nonsense?

  • Jrterrier

    i wonder if the 9th circuit’s decision yesterday to override the referendum against gay marriage in CA helped santorum yesterday.  seems like an issue right up his alley.  the Obama/HHS decision on contraceptives and the catholic church another issue right up his alley.

    • Anonymous

      I don’t think it has anything to do with anything except the Social Conservatives being willing to drive their party into a ditch. They don’t care that Santorum has NO chance to win a general election.

      Here that click? That’s the sound of Independents and women deciding NOT to vote for a Republican.

      Time for a viable 3rd party. The GOP is determined to crash and burn and give Oblahblah a second term. With Santorum, they do just that.

      And every time the anti-Romney folks push another candidate to the front they damage Romney more. At this point I no longer believe that he can win. Obama doesn’t need to defeat him, the Republicans have done it for him.

      • Jrterrier

        I agree with your analysis but am still hoping you are wrong. 

         

        • Anonymous

          So am I Jrterrier. So am I!

      • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

        I think if Santorum manages to win the GOP nom. (which I still think is unlikely even after yesterday) that the Libertarians will likely do very well… but of course that will just increase the size of Obama’s victory.

      • Ellend818

        Absolutely dead-on, Marge!

      • PA

        Evangelicals and the Tea Party drove the GOP into a ditch a long time ago. Their views do not represent the mainstream of America. I would NQbots with this group.

  • Anonymous

    Romney is a Democrat. . . conservatives will never vote for him. . .besides, what are his plans to turn America around?  Finally, the stealth anti-Mormon vote will do him in (why would women and blacks support someone whose religion treated them like inferiors)?

    • Jrterrier

      conservatives and tea partiers voted for him in FL, IA, NV, and NH. 

      and again, as Obama showed, caucuses are like guerilla warfare to a bigger force. 

      here are the total votes so far; romney still has outpolled the others.  even if you add in MO where santorum received approximately 70,000 more votes than Romney:

      http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/republican_vote_count.html. 

      • PA

        Romney got slaughter in the Florida Panhandle, which is more representative of the South, Evangelicals and the Tea Party.

      • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

        If Romney can’t run a successful campaign against total absolute losers like Gingrich & Santorum – what kind of President is he going to be?

    • Anonymous

      Romney is NOT a Democrat. He’s a moderate Republican, a species which conservative Republicans hate worse than Democrats.

       Your bigotry about his being a Mormon is noted and this is the last time I will bother to interact with you. Bigots are so boring.

      • Ellend818

        ” He’s a moderate Republican”

        My husband and I were just discussing this species as it existed in the past.
         Are they rare now (most turned independent?) or are they around but silent?

        • Scottymac54

          Not at all!

          Manhattan is full of them.

          Usually they call themselves “fiscal conservatives”.

          And they generally take pains to distance themselves from progressives and neocons.

          A lot of restaurant owners seem to fall into this category, I’ve noticed.

        • Anonymous

          I haven’t a clue Ellend818. I think moderates on both sides pretty much keep their heads down while the vile shit-throwing partisan clods attack anyone that doesn’t fit their mold.

          Witness several said clods who come here all too often, anyone that doesn’t worship at the Obama alter is a far-right wing Conservative. As a moderate Independent that doesn’t even come close to describing me but then I have never been a racist either and that is another of their shrill and dishonest bits of name calling.

          Moderates in both parties are endangered, IMO, and disgusted.

      • wylrae

        I am an independent but I think that many republicans have viewed what Romney has done (i.e., as gov. of Mass.) and don’t find him to be a republican even though he and the republican establishment may say he is. http://bit.ly/zp59ha

    • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

      By today’s Republican standards Ronald Reagan was a Democrat too. 

      The Republicans have gone so far right wing that they are just about to drive over the cliff. 

      • PA

        Reagan (who was a terrible President) would be considered a RINO. He would have no chance of getting the nomination today.

  • Anonymous

    Oh dear lord now we will have to hear more from this sanctimonious little prick.

    • Ellend818

       Well, Santorum sure eliminated sweater vests for my son – who actually likes them.

      • Anonymous

        An elderly friend told me this morning that he wasn’t going to wear any of his sweater vests anymore.

         And the phrase, “sanctimonious little prick” was his too. The cartoon was in his honor. He had his 89th birthday yesterday.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dolly-Cain/100002303813490 Dolly Cain

    Santorum? Really? I’m beginning to believe the Republicans want to lose this election.

    Maybe Rick can sing a line from a blues song.  Maybe Romney or Paul could as well.  Go find Al Sharpton and sing to him. 

    I’m gonna pull the covers over my head and pray that I don’t hear more stories from unemployed young black men and women.  I’m also tired of hearing about the carnage that is rampaging through our neighborhoods.  Heck, even Maxine Waters begged Obama to address these problems.  I guess a line from an Al Green song  is as good as it gets.

    • Guest

      What’s Romney’s plan to address inner-city unemployment?

      • beachnan

         You don’t need to concentrate on inner-city employment.  Romney wants to get the entire economy rolling again by taking away a lot of the regulations and the fears that many corporations have over Obama policies.  If you improve the entire economy, everyone benefits and that includes the inner city.

        • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

          LOL. In other words he wants to do all of the things George W. Bush did that got us in to this mess in the first place.

        • Ellend818

           ”taking away a lot of the regulations”

          Been there, done that. That refrain is now being used by Banks to avoid going back to Glass Steagall.

      • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

        I’m pretty sure Romney has already admitted that he doesn’t care about “very poor” people, he only cares about “Americans.”

    • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

      It’s beyond ridiculous for someone to complain about how the poor are being treated and to also support the Republican Party.

    • Ellend818

       Maxine Waters was a Hillary supporter. Obama was not her first choice.

  • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew J. Weaver

    This too shall pass. Anyone foolish enough to think Santorum is a viable challenger to Obama needs only to look at his history a bit closer to realize there was a reason Santorum was kicked out of office in 2006 by an historic 18% margin.

    At the end of the process, Republican voters–not the incredibly few partisans that participate in these non-binding events–will prevail and , if they really want to win, will rally around Romney, a credible, consistent, and electable challenger without the extremes, without the negative baggage, and

    • Jrterrier

      i agree with you and from what i’ve seen of media coverage, they agree with you.  that has a way of playing into santorum’s hands because the media isn’t vetting him thinking in the end he doesn’t have a chance.  they are still talking about romney.

      santorum has been less vetted than cain, bachman, and perry.  

      • Anonymous

        I don’t think that matters much at this point. What this does is give all the conservatives their “talking points” about Romney being the non-conservative.

        Santorum couldn’t even keep his Senate seat but they think he can win a General?

        The wins in 2010 were because of “fiscal” issues and therefore Independents voted GOP. They will not vote for a Social Conservative.

        • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

          The fact is fiscal issues were nothing but a ruse in 2010 – the Tea Party has always *always* been about social issues. These people don’t know the slightest thing about economic issues. “Keep Your Gov’t Hands off My Medicare” …

          • Scullman10

            Marvin, you don’t know what you are talking about.

            • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

              I certainly do. Those of us w ho could see through the Tea Party nonsense always knew that movement was really just a new version of the same old culture war that the right wingers have been banging on for decades. I think it was the last gasp of a dying mentality.

          • PA

            Where was the Tea Party when Bush was running up the deficit?

            And if you know anything about why the deficit has grown under Obama, you know that it is all about the recession and the significant decline in tax revenue and it is the Bush recession.

    • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

      LOL  at using the word “consistent” to describe Mitt Romney. And that you have 10 “likes” … wow! Alternate universe much?

      There has never been a less consistent politician than Mitt Romney. He has held at least two positions on almost every single issue.

  • Anonymous

    After listening to Fox Romney supporters, all Mitt needs now is  a month long dose of some good old fashioned conservative boot camp. Expect a makeover in the morning – a tougher image & taking on some conservative causes so that base will trust him!  Nevermind what he truly believes or that the perception of artifice that clings to the man like a rain cloud is already dampening turnout and enthusiasm everywhere he goes. If another morphing strategy fails – watch out ! Because they do have the money & Establishment to destroy Santorum and Newt, but it almost goes without saying that will not work against Obama. 

    The arrogance of East Coast Republicans can be seriously amazing to watch!

    • Anonymous

      The FOX Romney supporters? Since when? It must have just happened last night when I wasn’t watching. They have been so luke-warm and critical of Romney it was disgusting to watch. Even when Romney won it was all about how little he won by or about Gingrich.

      I guess when they reported when he was ahead in a poll or reported when he won a state that made them his supporters. The best they ever did for Romney was damn with faint praise. What nonsense!

    • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

      The thing is; if Romney has to go so far right wing to beat Santorum – he is going to alienate all of the non-crazy voters even more than he already has. 

      On the issues today’s Republican Party is clearly to the far right of the vast majority of Americans – so the more that Romney has to take these far right wing views to win the votes of the Tea Partiers – the worse it is for him in the general.

  • Anonymous

    I’m up late in CO, sick to death about the CO caucuses.  Part of the problem in CO I’m guessing is the weather.  Schools and businesses were closed on Friday because of a big snow storm.  I shoveled almost two hours on Friday, then again for a while on Saturday as more snow had fallen.  Then this morning we woke up to a bit more snow.  It’s cold.  My two big dogs have paths plowed out for doing their duties, but if they tried to take a differen route–to chase a squirrel or something–it’s up to their chests.

    Then there is the fact that CO is not used to caucuses, as far as I can tell.  I believe that the 08 presidential primary was the first in my lifetime. 
     
    Unless you’re a dyed-in-the-wool Republican, it’s pretty annoying to figure out where in the heck one’s caucus location is..  I got a call because my sig other is registered Republican, so I knew.  It was not that close to my house.  But my sig other is now in deep doo doo for being out of state and not participating.  And I get dizzy trying to remember when to change my affiliation if I want to vote in one.  I missed changing to Republican in time from unaffiliated, which I had changed to after voting as a Dem in a recent state election to try to influence a Senate race.  My county voting office is far from my home and you have to get there to sign when you want to change or know far in advance to ask to send it in by mail.  It’s very confusing.

    Colorado Springs, with the Focus on the Family influence and the military influence, is extremely fundamental.  I’m betting the Repubs down there were far more organized.  The Western Slope is also far more fundamental, and Republicans there are more organized.

    I’m wondering too if the Catholic controversy, which was a top story this morning might have also been an influence–given Santorum’s stance.  Living in the Dever metropolitan area, I was taken by surprise by this Santorum thing.

    The Tea Party up north was also very influential last election, now that I think about it. 

    I agree about hating the caucus process.  I know CO changed to it as a money-saving move.  It’s cheaper to let the parties run them when there are no state elections or primaries for state party nominations being held. 

    I’m not sure my nervous system can take this again.  It’s too long a process as far as I’m concerned.

  • Jrterrier

    Romney definitely is the Hillary Clinton of this campaign year.  Here are the vote totals (according to drudge):

    VOTE TOTALS:ROMNEY 1,182,886GINGRICH 838,102SANTORUM 568,723PAUL
    335,951

    • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

      I would say there is some comparison… he is an establishment candidate that very few Republican voters are very excited about… while I would say that Clinton generated far more excitement from Democratic voters than Romney – there were still many who were not excited about her campaign (which is why Obama was able to do what he did)

      • PA

        NQbots believe Obama cheated in beating Clinton. That is one of the central thesis around here.

        Although most that really know what they are talking about know that Hillary ran a terrible campaign. Her own people said she could have run a better primary campaign.

        • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

          I know — I actually used to visit this site back in 2008 because I was fascinated by the PUMA mentality. 

          In January I remembered this site and thought: “They couldn’t possibly still be holding that grudge, right?” … this is what I found. It’s remarkable. 

          • PA

            I have visited this site off and on since it was started right after LJ had a falling out with Daily Kos and started his own site. It was a better site before it became hate Obama 24-7. It was hate Obama before Obama even did anything. Now it is mostly a Tea Partyish site. However, I notice many of the hardest core nuts are gone, but still a few dead enders hanging around and quite a few that really do not get beyond Fox News. 10% of the time LJ is tolerable and makes sense. 90% he is in hate Obama mode, which colors all reasonable thought.  I guess that is what happens after 3 years of running a hate Obama all the time site with all the backslappers and the echo chamber that is NQ. This is a good example of the bubble that conservatives live in and Bill Maher talks about so effectively.

            • Scottymac54

              You have misidentified all of the teams and miscategorized all of the players here.

              And you holding up Bill Maher as “effective” tells everyone, everything they need to know about you.

  • elaine

    Anybody know how the congressional races are stacking up? If the Repubs can win both houses President Obama can be relegated to more of a figure head position. If he gets to nominate 1 more Supreme Court justice we’re screwed.

    Judical Watch sent out a petition, requesting $ ofcourse & a signature demanding Justice Kagan recuse herself from hearing the challenges to ObamaCare on the grounds she advised on it initially. Their position is it’ll bankrupt the country…they’re also claiming AG Holder is not being 100% forthcoming in providing documents on this matter in response to their FOIA request.

    I hope Congressman/Dr Ron Paul can get enough delegates to influence the platform to do something/anything to stop what Fed Chair Bernake is doing to our currency & savers.  I’m glad SecTres Geithner will be leaving, but  then it could always get worse. A friend of mine likes to say, “Why vote? It only encourages
    them.” That line of thinking once ticked me off, now sometimes I wonder…I know I’ve said this before, but it seems people who don’t pay any attention to politics are happier. 

    • Dorinda

      With a weak and unpopular nominee, Republicans will lose seats in both chambers and quite possibly, total control of the House.  Don’t count on any balance coming out of this election but, instead, we’ll go back to what Obama had the first 2 years. 

      • Anonymous

        I fear you’re right. The GOP seems determined to give Obama a second term.

    • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

      Democrats are now leading the generic ballot polls. But really it’s far too far away to know what will happen yet.

      I would say that the idea that we need more conservative justices on the SC is laughable to me. Yeah… we need more “Citizens United” 

      • Scottymac54

        The Republicans demand more conservative courts.

  • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

    Turnout is down in every state.

    Romney’s support (compared to 2008) is down in every state.

    Rick Santorum (an absolute lunatic from the perspective of any sane person) has just won three states (by quite wide margins in two of them.)

    The Republican Party is self destructing.

    • Scottymac54

      Both parties are self-destructing.

      The people are waking up.

  • Scullman10

    And  little man/child ricky  wins Colorado. Ridiculous, maybe like 65 thousand votes, whats the population? The voting population is around 3 million. Safe to assume 1.5 million as Republican. 65,000 turn out for the wonderful Caucuses. Wonderful system.

    • Anonymous

      What else can we expect when we have Huey Dewey and Louie running.

    • Dorinda

      That’s exactly how we got Obama.  He cheated his way through the caucus states.

      • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

        “cheated” ? He played by the rules. It’s not his fault Clinton didn’t bother learning them.

      • Ellend818

         Dorinda, I’ve agreed with everything you said.
        The thing is with Colorado, they have Colorado Springs. I really wish they’d move the Air Force Academy. Since these are the guys who are now flying out as our military front line in a lot of places, I’m really not comfortable with the Fundamentalist influence.
        Country first, guys. Your personal beliefs should take a back seat. Waaaay back.

        • Scottymac54

          Strongly agree.

  • Jrterrier

    approx 70,000 turnout in CO in 2008 republican primaries.  looks like there are going to be fewer than 50,000 voters tonight.

    • Anonymous

      Most people probably thought it was in the bag for Mitt so just stayed home.

  • Jrterrier

    OMG.  santorum wins colorado. 

    • Anonymous

      On the bright side. It will be enjoyable watching Newt do his weekend at Bernies imitation.

  • Jrterrier

    wow, cnn numbers show that Colorado turn-out is much, much lower than in 2008.  in one county in 2008, the total turnout was about 8,000; today, about 200. 

  • Anonymous

    The WSJ has some terrific interactive graphics on the primaries, state by state. I just spent 15 minutes clicking around, and finding more pages with more graphics:

    http://projects.wsj.com/campaign2012/delegates

  • Scullman10

    You know, 46% of the vote is counted in Colorado and only about 8 or 9 thousand people have voted or caucused I should say. That is pathetic. People just do not have the time to sit and argue for their candidate for hours. Ridiculous system. I think I am having PTSD from 2008. I really hate this system.By the way, little sweater vest is winning…women really are their own worst enemy’s.

    • Jrterrier

      wonder whether the bad economy affects turnout also.  if you are working multiple shifts or the night shift somewhere, you may have less time to spare. 

      they also had some seriously cold/snowy weather in CO and MN, i think. 

  • Jrterrier

    this is how someone on another blog is reading the pro-santorum vote tonight.  makes sense:

    “I was just chatting with our friend Larry Kudlow, who shared his read of Santorum’s victories (Minnesota and Missouri, as I blog): It’s a referendum on Obamacare and the Department of Health and Human Services mandate. What’s Santorum known for? His “steadfast pro-life defense.” Larry surmises: “A vote for Rick Santorum tonight was the easiest and most immediate voter path to protest Obamacare and Obama’s pro-abortion view.”

    • Usaproud15

      I agree with that. There is NO WAY I would vote for Santorum. He will lose it for the Repubs…Romney is the best bet to beat Obama,,,,

    • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

      That may very well work with the Republican primary voters – but man will it backfire with normal voters.

      Most people don’t believe that a rape baby is a “gift from God.” Sorry Rick. 

  • Jrterrier

    just listened to the speeches of Santorum, Paul and Romney.  Romney was the best.  I like Paul.  But Romney truly is the class of the group. 

  • Steve_in_KC

    What’s really interesting is that it appears many conservatives for Gingrich have ditched him for Santorum.  Newt is a laughing stock.

    • Anonymous

      VERY SMART OBSERVATION, Steve.  Unless the calendar can squeeze in a debate in every state, Newt loses, and badly.

      Say, if you spot any images or lists we can use as screenshots, it’d be great to get the complete results for each state.  I’ll keep looking too.  Probably the state’s newspapers will have a good graphic?

    • Jrterrier

      Newt’s Q&A after the Nevada primary was a disaster, universally panned by even his biggest supporters.  Also, Santorum has been able to avoid any hits by the other candidates because except for Iowa, he has been running near the bottom of the heap.  I’m sure both the media and the other candidates will start focusing on him.

    • Anonymous

      That almost makes me feel better about this debacle. Almost.

    • Lisa

      Why do you have to be sooo mean?

  • Scullman10

     For one thing, caucuses can be gamed. Romney should have known that, maybe he did and it didn’t matter. Look what happened to Hillary. Only 9% of the population voted in Nevada caucus last week. They have to go. 

    I don’t think women understand that little ricky wants them back in the dark ages, no choice, rape or not. People, wake up!

    • beachnan

       I agree.  I honestly think the Republicans are trying to lose this election.  They say the can’t stand Obama, and then they start voting for the guy who will never get Independents and former Dems to vote for him because of his ideology.  I thought the Democratic party was pathetic, but the Republicans are looking pretty pathetic themselves.

      • Scottymac54

        “I honestly think the Republicans are trying to lose this election…”

        If this doesn’t remind me of McCain in 2008…. 

    • frank

      Not to mention gay rights. Don’t forget his position that couples homosexuals with pedophiles and bestiality. I didn’t think it was possible to find a candidate I would be as repulsed by as Obama, but they’ve done it! Good luck with moderate Dems & Indies if this is the candidate they choose to put up against Obama. Unbelievable. Almost 300 million people in this country and this is the best we’ve got to choose from?!

    • Ani

      Santorum is horrific. No argument there.

      • Anonymous

        Just wait until they find out that he is NOT a fiscal Conservative.

        • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

          Most Republicans don’t really care about that nonsense. It’s all just mumbo jumbo. They’ll go along with whatever they are told to go along with. They never cared about spending or deficits while Bush was in the White House.

          The support for Santorum is support for a war on social issues. They want to go back to the 19th century, the rest of the country is in the 21st.

    • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

      I don’t think you understand how backwards most Republican voters are. When you throw your lot in with the Republican Party – this is who you are sharing it with.

    • kat

      Scullman10

      First of all this is not true. What do you think–a Santorum can reverse Roe? I don’t think so. It is this ideological blindspot that gave us Obama–and even if a social conservative(who’s alot more moderate than he lets on) could turn back the clock(which he can’t) would you really choose a Soros funded Marxist totalitarian dictator over the abortion issue(which by the way is still legal and is doing just fine to the tune of nearly a million a year)

      I’m beginning to think  the American people are their own worst enemies.

    • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

      Any presidential candidate who goes into 2012 not understanding the importance of caucuses deserves to lose. It means he or she is unprepared and not very well organized. 

  • Anonymous

    BUWAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHhahahahaahaaa…aaa…aa….ha.

    • beachnan

       You want Santorum? 

      • Anonymous

        Like I want open heart surgery…

  • Anonymous

    what is interesting is how bad Romney did …
    What happened ???

    • frank

      Conservatives and evangelicals, and the independents went for Ron Paul. Newt wasn’t even on the ballot in MO.

      • frank

        I wonder what the turnout was like, because caucuses can be sparse. I’ll never forget the caucus debacles of 2008. Obama won 12 of 13, but HRC won almost every major state. A bizarre outdated practice that should be abolished, along with the primary schedule. Why do a disproportionate number of conservative states have so much influence on the nominating process? Why don’t we rotate the schedule to give other states equal representation. I am so sick of our electoral system and the duds we end up with.

        • Ani

          Caucuses are unconstitutional, disenfranchising older, poor, disabled, single parent, military, shift workers (including waiters and nurses for example) and favoring those who bully and scream loudly. They need to be abolished in favor of a straight up vote.

          • Scottymac54

            The problem is, doing that would take sustained pressure, starting the day after each election.

            What happens is, the public loses interest, before any effective opposition can be mounted.

            The whole cycle repeats itself, every time the primaries begin again.

          • Anonymous

            You’re right. This is from Scullman upthread:
            “People just do not have the time to sit and argue for their candidate for hours.”
            This is less a legitimate political mandate than a stupid reality show.

          • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

            Agreed. Ridiculous system. 

            Speaking of ridiculous: How about Missouri spending $7 million on a primary that is officially meaningless?

    • Jrterrier

      big evangelical groups in both MO and MN.  and Santorum has spent a lot of time in both those states.  He barely campaigned in FL or NV and focused on MO and MN. 

      • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

        What’s the explanation for this:

        2008: Romney 60% in Colorado.
        2012: Romney 35% in Colorado.

        • Anonymous

           The explanation might be that Colorado really does not like John McCain.  So many of these votes are about who we are voting against as opposed to who we are voting for.

    • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

      Republican voters don’t like Romney. They are concerned he might be smart. 

      Romney’s day was actually much worse than you may realize. Consider that in 2008 he won Colorado with 60% of the vote… even though he lost the nom to McCain – he still won 60% in Colorado. Today he gets 35% and loses to Santorum.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MCA6QIPPR3EXRQRYL3MVYJSKLQ Joe

        Concerned he is SMART?  You mean smart like hiznibz?

        Your comment shows you certainly are not.  The voters concern is that he uses the same tailor…