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C’Mon Santorumites, Tell Us

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Would a supporter of Rick Santorum please stand up and explain why we should take this guy seriously? I do not get it. Yes, Rick is a nice guy (as long as you are not a homosexual), but he has been a creature of Washington, DC for more than 20 years and, despite giving lip service to so-called conservative values, freely indulged in the kind of Big Government hubris that has helped balloon the national debt.

Has Rick eschewed earmarks? You know, putting specific spending measures in a bill to benefit constituents and supporters? No. He was a big player in this regard. Did Rick want to keep Government out of health care and limit its size? Double hell no. He fully backed the idiotic Republican sponsored prescription drug benefit.

Has Rick ever created a real job in the private sector outside of hiring consultants to help him get elected? Very few (and here I’m counting clerical staff and legal aides at his law firm, though he was never a Managing Partner).

So why are conservatives so enamored of this guy?

I understand the hunger and passion to get rid of Barack Obama. But wanting to get out of a burning airplane does not justify strapping a concrete block to your back and jumping into the abyss.

So here is your chance to tell us why Ricky should rule.

  • http://www.facebook.com/alex.frey.pattaya Alex Frey

    Why would anyone support him?
    SANTORUM MAKES A LOT OF SENSE WHEN YOU DON’T KNOW POLITICS, the more you know the less electable he gets. The mainstream doesn’t vote for programs they vote for phrases and decent hair cuts. Santorum got both but he doesn’t have a program or to be fair, not a program that lifts America out of the hole it is in right now. I will admit that Santorum is a hard working candidate, he had to overcome a lot of obstacles but he is also one of the most corrupt politcians, he exploits peoples faith in God to garner votes and he claims to be a conservative while he is in fact a big government liberal. He has a record of betrayal and big spending and he will not survive this campaign till the end. Why people want to support him…? It’s like I said, because they are uninformed. 

  • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

    Where is the Republican outrage over the latest Catholic priest sex abuse scandal? Why is birth control something worthy of throwing a ridiculous hissy fit about but the abuse of little boys is not worth a mention?

    • Scottymac54

      What does one have to do with the other?

  • Ptab01

     I see you have cast the gaunlet to conservatives as to why they would support Santorum . To be perfectly clear i will support whoever is the nominee . First I will address the negatives you have laid out, and then follow up with a big point you avoided to mention. 1) the deadly threat of earmarks – true some of the past decades earmark projects and pork barrel spending were wasteful expenditures meant to lock in support for other projects and votes. That is the ugly way of Washington DC.  Party politics and back scratching are the way things are done from getting for Osprey helicopters ( Santorum voted Yes) to funding high speed rails between cemeteries and prisons ( tarp money to CA for that ) .  In comparison to the spending our federal government is currently engaging in, is to compare a shot glass to a beer vat.  Earmarks are in fact a duty of a congress person and representatives, to trying get tax money back to their own states to fund infrastructure projects ( not one man in the primary today is clean of the practice of petitioning for earmarks for their states  Goggle It ) That is part of their responsibility. Have there been excesses? You betcha.  But in the grand scheme of Santorums efforts are softball compared to the likes of Saint Hillary Clinton (in fiscal 2008 alone out earmarked all by 5 times the amount. )  I see that Senator Kennedy and Representative Barney Frank grand slammed earmark dollars and I can’t seem to recall a peep out of an alleged Conservative Governor during his single term in office. So bang your drum people earmarks are evil and installing central planning health insurance with unconstitutional mandates on all living citizens of a state is a Ok. 2) Job creation –  Santorum can’t compete to Romney’s Jobs creation can he? He certainly didn’t run a venture capital business that had access to business’s across the spectrum of the economy.  No – as a senator he wasn’t in the business of hiring people on that level. He voted in congress and worked to achieve funding of projects ( earmarks) to bring tax money back into the state to increase hiring. He supported Tax cuts to ensure the business community had the money to invest in their business either human resources or products which produces human capital in other business’s .  He opposed NAFTA that endangered his constituents work opportunities ( it did by the way). He voted  for tariffs on imported steel and consumer products coming from China based on their currency  manipulation. He has voted for labor unions in the past due to the wishes of his Constiuents and has  indicated his support for national right to work legistations if serving as President. I have little reason to doubt that considering ratings from the American Conservative Union are at 90%. So while he didn’t create jobs so to speak he did take the available avenues of his position to spur job growth in his state. 3) The gay marriage issue/ family values – though you did not mention it I feel it needs to be addressed. IE: goggle Santorum   When Rick Santorum discusses family values – he is aimed at the traditional family model Father,Mother and children. Some people who have targeted his position  like to mention a lack of sympathy to the changing metrics of American families. His main conviction is that the traditional family model offers the best chances of raising better prepared children. It offers children stronger economic parameters, better foundations in understanding healthy adult relationships and a respect for discipline.  While he understands that the modern family is shifting from two parents and single earner households to single parent/earner households he still maintains correctly it is less than optimal to raise a family in such a manner. A common model developing the past thirty years is that of extended family members acting in surrogate parenting roles, which can be a good substitute given the circumstance. His views on homosexuality are more faith based than an outward fear and intolerance of this group. His principled arguments regarding same sex marriage is that once breached the definition of marriage will stand multiple contests to continue extending it out past two individuals of consenting age.(slippery slope argument). Aside from that, he makes the case across the globe no civilization in past history of mankind had ever thought to grant same sex marriages before the Netherlands did in 2001. Of the countries that have elected to go this route (Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Canada, South Africa, Norway, Sweden, Portugal, Iceland and Argentina) all are witnessing declining birth rates and  an increase in fatherless children. One may question if being a fatherless child is a bad thing on occasion  but statistically speaking it has an adverse effect. In fatherless children you can see higher incarceration rates, education drop out rates, suicides, gender identification confusion, juvenile delinquency, and aggression in young males.  So in a nut shell as a conservative I can back Santorum without batting an eye. So perhaps maybe some folks here can explain to me, how exactly is Romney ( the newly crowned  conservative by CPAC) going pull this thing off? He has lost the healthcare debate before day one. And that is HUGE . . . With that one issue – you show Barrack Obama as singularly focused on achieving that one objective that he allowed the economy to tailspin for the first 18 months of his term.  The occupy movement was spawned and designed to eviscerate a potential top earner like Romney… The language of class warfare ( which he has foolishly embraced on occasion) is set to be drag before the mass media markets to the politically unattentive, like a famished lion eviscerates its prey. Add to this, his recorded gaffes,  to be edited & used out of context  … I like to fire people & I don’t care about the poor . . . He is already facing a swift and certain defeat.  His new found conservativism is strikingly slim on historical evidence. Supporting a minimum wage increase is definitely not a position on the right wing nor is it a blessing to his job growth platform. In fact while in his single term as MA governor He opposed an increase correctly noting the horrendous track record it has on job growth. His proposed tax plan is completely uninspiring and he has not shied away from a tax increase on people/ small business earning $200,000. ( sounds vaguely familiar don’t it?) No flattening of the rates and no laid out tax reform of substance leaving yet more uncertainty to clog the gears of the economy.  He is now a staunch anti illegal/ undocumented worker hawk. & yet when he was the acting Gov of MA his position was quite different.  2005 Boston Globe interview has Romney supporting legistations that allows illegal aliens to obtain citizenship after registering waiting 6 years & then paying a fine . He called this a reasonable course of action.  That is a far cry from what he as a Canidate has said and there where no efforts in his time in the Governorship to authorize state police to arrest persons on visa/immigration violations until the last month of his term in office. 

     My thing is … Saying one thing is merely lip service compared to what you do when you are in the position to do it.  For all the most dedicated Romney folks smashing every other Canidate to pieces, Tell me how Romney Vs Obama is any different from Willkie vs FDR in 1940.

    • Wisewoman

      Again yours is an anti Romney rant.  If people are too ignorant to realize that romneycare as you like to call it was a mandate for people who did not have insurance to purchase it or put up some money to pay medical bills.  How does that square with Obama compelling businesses to not only buy insurance for their employees but dictate what kind of policies they must purcahse, e.g. contraceptives, morning after pills, etc, in addition to mandating individuals to purchase insurance.  PEOPLE DO NOT SEEM TO REALIZE THAT OBAMA HAS IMPLEMENTED BOTH AN EMPLOYEE AND AN INSIVIDUAL MANDATE.  Hillary was for an employee mandate and the repubs exocoriated her.  So did Obama when he was running in the primaries.  Remember Herman Cain fought for restuarants not to have to provide coverage.  With his initial demand of the Catholic church, Obama is implementing both an employee and an individual mandate.

  • Anonymous

    More Dadaism

  • Flop flipper

    Ricky should rule because we really need to go back to the dark ages but with snappy sweater vests instead of chain mail. Obama has shed way too much light.

  • Jrterrier

     
    copying from another blog something i had forgotten or overlooked:

    “Santorum hasn’t won any primaries; all four ‘wins’ have been caucus states. He hasn’t been awarded a single delegate from any of those states with the exception of one ‘bound’ super-delegate.”

    i have some experience with caucuses during the 2008 primary. i happened to be on the westcoast on business and scheduled a layover in Vegas for the day so i could attend the nevada caucus and help out as i could. i had contacted the hillary campaign in advance and was told to go to a local polling place in vegas high school gymnasium. good thing i did; they needed all the help they could get.

    when i got there, the people running the caucus were elderly ladies, who had little knowledge of how to run a caucus (it was a first for Nevada) and were in over their heads with the huge number of people that had showed up. i had never been in a caucus either but soon figured out the game.

    lo and behold, a group of youngish lawyers from john podesta’s center for american progress (CAP) arrived, all DC residents who worked at CAP, were pro-obama and were veterans from the iowa caucuses and giddy with power from their recent win in Iowa; they started to take over.

    there were a lot of pro-hillary voters, mostly working class people, with little or no understanding that they would be required to sit around for several hours on a saturday morning in order to make their vote count. they thought once they signed in & marked the ballot with hillary’s name, they could be on their way. they didn’t know that they had to sit around for hours, waiting for everyone to sign in, convene in groups, have their votes counted.

    there were long lines just to sign in and get their ballots. no votes were to be counted until everyone was separated into their “neighborhood” sections, speeches given, the local African-american ladies who ran the caucus (a couple of which were wearing obama buttons – a no-no since they were running the caucus) were droning on about rules. the obama out-of-town veterans saw what was happening and started to stall the process as more and more voters started to leave.

    along with another person, i sprang to action, handing out the ballots to those waiting in line and helping to get everyone signed in. i explained to as many people as i could that if they left before it was all over their votes wouldn’t count. i got a lot of nasty looks from the youngish DC lawyers because i was trying to get things moving. in the end, we lost some voters but were able to keep a majority of the voters there long enough for their votes to count.

    in the end, it took more than 3 hours for the people to sign in, break out into groups by neighborhoods, and have their vote counted.

    hillary won that particular caucus but not by much. i left convinced that if i and the other woman there hadn’t sprung to action, hillary would have lost the caucus because it would have taken much longer and more voters would have left before the votes were counted.

    it was awful. i left dismayed at the ease with which a caucus can be manipulated.

  • Anonymous

    Once again, Mitt put his finger in the air to see which way the wind was blowing and had to make the point that he was a “Conservative” at least 29 times at CPAC and one “Severely Conservative.”  What is a “Severely Conservative”? 

    I’m sorry folks, but I do not like Romney, I do not trust Romney.  I have the same feelings toward Romney that I had toward Obama and I was right on the latter.  I will Not vote for Romney!  Nothing will change my mind.

    • Jrterrier

      Mitt Romney has spoken at CPAC for the past several years.  ”For three straight years Mitt Romney won the CPAC straw poll — 2007, 2008, and 2009.”  in 2010 and 2011, Ron Paul won.  instead of repeating empty statements, why don’t you define what you mean by conservative — if its the big govt high spending, living off the fed govt and crony capitalism, social conservatism (do as i say not as i do) republicans like newt and santorum, which brought you the financial debacle that was W’ administration, that exploded deficit spending with earmarks and the prescription drug program,
      then romney is not a conservative.  if it’s a man, who balanced the budget the 4 years he was govt, took a deficit and turned it into a 2 billion rainy day fund, reduced taxes 19 times, turned an olympics around, and became independently wealthy creating a company in the private sector, and living a truly conservative wife with one wife, 5 children, donating 10% of his income to charity, then give me that person.  name it whatever you want, he’s a man whose life and conduct have shown what it means to be successful in a capitalist society. 

      well, you will be voting for obama if you don’t vote for romney.  because that is what you’ll get.    

      • Kenoshamarge

        Perhaps Romney feels the need to say he is a “conservative” since so many are saying he isn’t. But don’t bother Jrterrier, the RDS like any other DS doesn’t want facts. Just the rabid hatred they live for.

        Oh and lest someone suggest that I suffer from ODS I have dozens of reasons for loathing our POS POTUS.

        I’ve expressed all, or most of them on this very blog.

        • Anonymous

           and always received a round of applause too Marge

          • Scottymac54

            I’ve always applauded, even though I’ve done my best, not to show it, LOL!

        • Scottymac54

          There IS one parallel I see developing, between “anyone but Romney” voters, the ones called “Obamabots”, and the “ABO” voters.

          It’s not about issues anymore.

          Slowly but surely, they are admitting to the fact that it is all about “don’t like”.

          It’s not a fundamental disagreement over policies, besides “Obamacare”, which they believe any candidate BUT Romney, can wave a magic wand, and eradicate it from memory.

          It would not surprise me, if the birth control controversy, is the last real “debate”, that we’ll see.

          From here on in, it’s going to be about slinging mud, not because there aren’t valid issues to be discussed, but because the public has been whipped up into an irrational frenzy.

    • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

      “Severely” conservative seems like a Freudian slip to me. It’s clear that Mitt Romney has about as much respect for far right wing conservatives as I do (which is none at all.)

      • Flop flipper

        In MA, the very use of the phrase “fiscally responsible” is considered “severely” conservative.

      • beachnan

         Marvin-you and PA can keep coming here.  Because as long as you do, it reinforces my determination to vote ABO!!!

        • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

          Look – you have too high of an opinion of your single vote. Elections are not won by pandering to lunatics. 

          • Scottymac54

            But Beachnan owns your vote.

            Who owns yours, Marvin?

      • Anonymous

        Right on Marvin.  I wholeheartedly agree with you.

    • Anonymous

      It seems that Romney campaign chest has run a bit on the dry side.  They saying he has 17 days to raise more money.
      Why…
      Why does Romeny need to spend 10xs the amount of the other candidates if he is such a good candidate???
      If anything he should be spending maybe just a bit more or maybe the same amount…Yet it seems that he is burning up his campaign chest like money grows on trees…
      To me this reckless spending of money makes me wonder if he is the one to save our country financial status.

      • Jrterrier

        so he can compete in all 50 states and DC and counter the MSM. 

    • PA

      Funny stuff….

      Romney the ”severe conservative”.

      His straw poll win was a bit BS. Here is an interesting article on the inner workings of Romney’s time and supposive straw poll victory at CPAC.

      “CPAC settles for Mitt Romney’s ‘severe conservative’ routine – At least Romney’s creaky simulacrum of a true conservative at CPAC meant he escaped being totally upstaged by Sarah Palin”

      “At the hotel pub the next day, a typical CPAC attendee, hailing from South Florida, was describing this scene to a friend. “How can anyone get that excited for Mitt Romney?” she said, with a tinge of disgust in her voice. “What is there to like so much about him?” I interrupted her description of this horror show to ask her whom she supported. 

      “Oh, Mitt Romney.”

      And that’s how Mitt Romney won the CPAC straw poll. His “supporters” – or should we say vote-casters – may find him as lame as Democrats do, but oh well, he’s still the only one who seems capable of beating President Barack Obama, the most vile creature in the history of civilization. Just don’t ask them to cheer enthusiastically. Most of them aren’t there yet, and may never be.”

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/feb/12/cpac-mitt-romney-severe-conservative?newsfeed=true

      A you want this guy to be your leader? Again funny stuff.

      • Jrterrier

        55% of the attendees were under 25 — so your “typical CPAC attendee, hailing from South Florida” is hogwash.  and he also won a telephone poll conducted by CPAC of non-attendees.

    • Ptab01

      And that would b foolish not to cote for any of these guys if they Obama.

      Obama is an exsistensal threat to this nation another term under will spell certain collapse. To say at this conjuncture that u would not vote against him no matter what is to sign the death warrant for your children and their families. at the very least the constitution will completely disregarded and obslete. And then it is a short march to despotism.

      HONESTLY PEOPLE … Wake the fuck up and look around

    • Ptab01

      And that would b foolish not to cote for any of these guys if they Obama.

      Obama is an exsistensal threat to this nation another term under will spell certain collapse. To say at this conjuncture that u would not vote against him no matter what is to sign the death warrant for your children and their families. at the very least the constitution will completely disregarded and obslete. And then it is a short march to despotism.

      HONESTLY PEOPLE … Wake the fuck up and look around

      • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

        … you are insane.

  • Jrterrier

    I’ve decided that Romney is the greatest politician in America today. 

    Every Sunday news show has been dumping on him — Face the Nation and This Week with Stephonopolous had Santorum on; Fox had Sarah Palin on, which after she finished subtly dumping on Romney (cricitizing Romney care, the money he’s spent campaigning, and that we need someone who doesn’t need to learn how to be a conservative), said that it was time for the candidates to stop criticizing each other.  And invariably someone says that Romneycare has the same contraceptive rule as the one the Obama/HHS is trying to implement.  Never mind that no one mentions that the contraception rule was passed before Romney became governor and that it had a broader exception for churches (does anyone think that Catholic MA would do otherwise), the

    Again, continuing to blame the low numbers on romney’s “negative” campaigning (no mention that he didn’t run campaign ads in MN, CO, or MO but the numbers were down); no mention of Newt’s horrific run calling him a liar when romney was not lying. 

    Then we’ve got santorum runing select states excusing his loss in Maine because he didn’t campaign there; but no mention that Santorum was in CO/MN/MO 22 times to Romney’s 2 times (according to Rove last week).  Now, Santorum is focusing on MI while Newt is going to focus on AZ.  So, the only person running a national campaign is Romney (even Paul is self-selecting states).

    A lesser man would be behind.   Go Mitt.    

    • Kenoshamarge

      I’ve thought, and I think said the same thing many times. (Not saying he was the greatest

       but surely the strongest.) How anyone can say with a straight face, er keyboard, that he’s the choice of the establishment and that media prefers him is beyond me. A lesser candidate would have folded long since.

      Come to think of it, several did. And one Grinchy Gingrich who won’t go away but isn’t going anywhere. Even his funding is drying up and the rumor is that the Adelmans will support Romney or whoever it takes to beat Obama.

      And little Ricky is about to discover that being a frontrunner means you have to take the attacks. Wonder if he’ll do as well as Romney has done or if he’ll huff and puff and whine like Gingrich.

      Super PAC – What Super PAC
      link: http://decoded.nationaljournal.com/2012/02/campaign-2012-weve-memorized-t.php

      • Happycamper

         I don’t think the MSM will provide much fodder for Saintorum attacks. On a few of the morning shows today it was obvious that the Dems were salivating at the prospect of a Saintorum nomination.

        • Nellie

          Here is a brief article from the PA papers that give you 10 Plus reasons NOT to vote for Santorum. Forgive me but I do not know how to get links to post so I will just spell it out.

          Title: The Rick Santorum America Doesn’t KnowLink: www  philly . com/ philly / blog/ attytoodclose spaces in link

          • Kenoshamarge

            Here’s the link for you Nellie:
            http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/136706293.html

            Good source with a lot of information that people need to know in order to make informed choices. Right now the media is trying to make this a “class” battle. Romney being the “white collar/establishment” choice and lying little Ricky being the “blue collar/people’s” choice. And many blue collar people are thus far fooled by Sanctimonious Santorum.

            Once the truth gets out they’ll be as disenchanted with this POS as they were with their other choices in their obsessive search for the anti-Romney. Alas, all their idols have feet of clay.

    • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

      “I’ve decided that Romney is the greatest politician in America today.” — Really!? It’s clear to me that Romney is not a particularly good politician, if he wins the GOP nomination it will be by default. He has not to face a single opponent thus far that any reasonable person can imagine in the White House.

      • Jrterrier

        i was a bit hyperbolic to make the point that he is running against the entire MSM, right and left wing. 

      • Jrterrier

        obama ran with the entire MSM (except fox) supporting him and the DEM party taking votes from hillary in their infamous meeting where they decided to award some michigan votes to obama on some insane rationale (can’t remember what it was) and didn’t award (or cut in half) the FL and other state delegates in states won by hillary. 

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

          This is so true — Obama didn’t “win” the Dem. nomination; he was carried over the finish line by the DNC. Most people aren’t aware of it because they buy the b.s. the MSM spoon feeds them — no wonder these same ones think Romney is the “pre-selected” candidate & that Newt is a “true conservative.”
          Oh, and the insane reason for the DNC taking away delegates from Hillary — delegates that represented people who had ACTUALLY voted for her — and give them to Obama was because they decided that IF Obama had bothered to be on the ballot those people WOULD have voted for him, not her. So they gave Obama those Hillary delegates plus ALL the undecided delegates. I’ve never seen such a travesty of justice — not even FL Bush v. Gore.
          One person, one vote, my ass.

          • PA

            Still smarting over that BS.

            Clinton ran a terrible campaign, which her own team have since admitted.

            Obama took the air out of her balloon and then went on to win enough delegates to win the nomination. Period.

            If you are talking about Florida and Michigan, it was irrelevant whether Clinton got those delegates or not, as she still would have lost.

            What delegates were taken away from Clinton and given to Obama? Completely BS.

            • beachnan

               Michigan you idiot.  Obama wasn’t even on the ballot and they took away some of Hillary’s delegates and gave them to the turd Obama.

              • PA

                She still would not have had enough delegates.

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

               I watched the DNC meeting myself and saw it happen you morons. It is people like you & Marvin who make the world a sucky place with your ignorance & assholishiness.

              • Jrterrier

                i was there too.  disgraceful.

            • Jrterrier

              here is the NY Times report on it.  they took votes from Hillary and gave them to Obama; and also gave all the uncommitteds to Obama.

              http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/31/the-dnc-deliberates/

          • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

            Get over it. You people are crazy.

        • Kenoshamarge

          Even now with the media singing Obama’s hosannas he can’t get above 48%. With the media, the left, but I repeat myself, and the right all piling on Romney 24/7 he’s still in the running. On a level playing field you have to wonder how he’d do.

          Obamacrats must think he is really weak if they feel the need to constantly prop him up. He’s never been able to stand on his own. Even with the the JournOlist presstitutes acting as his press agents he flounders and flails and is constantly in hot water for his own stupid actions. On a level playing field you have to wonder how he’d do.

          Does Romney make gaffs? Damn right he does. All pols do. The difference is that the media highlights and plays and replays and spins and distorts Romney’s foot in mouth moments while ignoring or spinning Obama’s’.

          Those facts tell you who the weakling is.

          • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

            Presidential approval is tied to the economy — the fact that Obama has 48% approval with a bad economy shows how personally popular he is. If the economy continues to recover he will do extremely well this fall. That is why the GOP is desperately trying to change the subject from the economy.

            • Scottymac54

              I have to agree with you there.

              If the economy is made to look as if it is better, Barky has a much better chance to win, then the Republicans will admit.

        • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

          I know that’s the myth here at NoQ but it’s simply not true. Obama had to go through all kinds of nonsense to win the nomination. A clip of his pastor played on repeat for weeks on all of the major networks.

          Obama was attacked for things that his acquaintances did to a level that I’ve never seen of any other presidential candidate… ever. There was some absolutely insane video of Sarah Palin and some snake charming lunatic in her church and the MSM barely made a peep about it.

    • PTAb01

      He’ll 22 times w/ zero cash I think he earned it don’t u?

  • Anonymous

    “Santorum is a nice guy (as long as you are not a homosexual)….or a woman.

    • Anonymous

      I’m not a Santorum fan, but at least as far as I can tell, Santorum is being honest about what he believes.  Are any of the other candidates being honest about their political beliefs?  I guess Ron Paul can be added to the honesty list.

      What’s Romney’s stance on homosexuals and same sex marriages?

  • Anonymous

    Why?  He seems fairly normal?  He isn’t Romney and they all have been brainwashed to hate Romney because he is so Liberal.  Imagine that.

    • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

      It’s frightening to consider the mind of someone who considers Santorum “normal.”

  • Anonymous

    hello

  • Kenoshamarge

    I am not a Santorumite {{{shudder}}} so I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would support this man for President of the United States. He may well be a “good” family man. I can appreciate that. Not enough.

    Social conservatives have a deep and abiding hatred for moderates and so must flail and flounder trying to find one who they believe they can put in the White House. Not gonna happen.

    No one gets to the White House any more without the votes of the Independents. And Independents don’t, for the most part, care about the Social Issues that are an obbsessive part of the far right, and the far left. Right now moderate Republicans, and Independents are looking for someone to defeat Obama come November.

    If the GOP keeps up this desparate attempt to knock down the only candidate who has a snowball’s chance of doing that Obama will coast to victory.

    The sound of running feet you hear is women and Independents distancing themselves from Santorum and his kind. Social Conservatice appeal only to Social Conservatives. The rest of us want a fiscal conservative and that ain’t Little Ricky.

    • Kenoshamarge

      How come I have to login every time I try to post a comment this morning? And where did my Mammy Yokum avatar go?

      [NOTE FROM ADMIN: It's baaaaaaaaa-ack!"]

      • Anonymous

         I can see you Mammy

        • Kenoshamarge

          so can I now. But I also don’t have an edit button and I can’t delete the post so here I am with egg on my face.

          • Kenoshamarge

            Now you see Mammy, now you don’t.

            • Anonymous

               lol

        • Anonymous

           me too.

    • Jrterrier

      worse than that.  both newt and santorum continue to say that they are the true conservatives but their votes are anything but those of a true conservative.  on vote after vote, they voted in ways that would have every pundit calling them liberals or flip-floppers if it were Mitt. 

      Santorum — just look at his votes for earmarks (bridge to nowhere), minimum wage, for Sotomayor to the 2d Circuit (when most republicans voted against her because they new she was in line to go the SCt); supported Specter (who ran pro-choice even as a Republican); against right-to-work laws; prescription drug plan; now living off lobying/advising industry groups. etc, etc.

      I won’t go through the Newt litany of non-conservative votes, life-style, and post-House income. 

      • Anonymous

        “****minimum wage****”  Well at least he didn’t want COLA for minimum wage like Romney.

    • Flop flipper

      I see the conservatives as being as out of touch with the heart of America as the liberals. And apparently they are just as stupid. Without the Independent moderate vote the Republicans will enable another 4 years of the current occupant.

      If Sanny boy is the nominee I will look elsewhere for a candidate to vote for.

    • PTAb01

      I am working on a piece now about y u may want to reserve ur faith in Mitt as the only hope 4 GOP win. I think u see it is not so certain he is the best match up to Obama.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dolly-Cain/100002303813490 Dolly Cain

    Oh Ricky you’re so fine
    You’re so fine you blow my mind
    Hey Ricky!
    Hey Ricky!

    That’s why he should rule.

    Signed,

    Another American Idol Voter

  • Kenoshamarge

    Not a Santorumite, {{{{shudders}}}} so quite honestly I haven’t a clue why anyone would support him.

    The anti-Mitt bunch are so desperate to keep a moderate from being the nominee they will back anyone, and call him a conservative so long as he/she/it is a social conservative. They can’t even honestly pretend that Santorum is a fiscal conservative, well maybe they can. After all they tried to pretend that Gingrich was a good social conservative and family man until the laughter got too loud.

    Quite honestly I believe that social conservative hate moderate, you know the ones that don’t hate homosexuals or think that women are too emotional to serve in combat and a host of other nonsense, more than they hate Democrats. After all in 2008 they sat home rather than vote for McCain. Actually they should have been voting for Cindy McCain because she has run a big business for years. But then she’s one of them “emotional” wimmenfolks.

    • PA

      “The anti-Mitt bunch are so desperate to keep a moderate from being the nominee they will back anyone,”

      How about the fact that people just don’t like Romney. He lost in 2008 to McCain and now he gets like 25% of the GOP vote.

      Nobody wants to elect a serial flip-flopper out-fo-touch Wall Street 1%er. It is partially that many think him a moderate and want a more conservative candidate, but is also that many think he is just not the right candidate at this time. Romney’s popularity continues to plummet with Indenpendents and moderates.

      • Anthony

        “Nobody wants to elect a serial flip-flopper out-fo-touch Wall Street 1%er. ”

        Dude…   Seriously?

        Obots already did that in 2008. 

        • PA

          Name me three serious issues that Obama has flip-flopped on.

          Romney has been on every side of every issue.

          I would hardly think Obama is comparable as a Wall Street 1%er. That is a joke.

          • Scottymac54

             ”would hardly think Obama is comparable as a Wall Street 1%er. That is a joke…”

            Who financed his 2008 campaign?

            Who’s financing him now?     

            • PA

              So you think taking campaign contributions is the same as actaully being a Wall Street 1%er?

              So you think Romney making a couple of hundred million and actually being a Wall Street guy is the same as Obama the community organizer who took some campaign contributions from guys like Romney.

              Wrong. False equivalency.

              • Scottymac54

                Yes, I do.

                I’ve completely rejected your false left/right paradigm.

                It all leads back to the same starting gate.

          • Anthony

            You are in so deep its scary.  If you ever take a minute to stop kissing his ass and blindly defending him, you might want to research his performance. You’d see what we all see.  But then, you’d have no hero, would you?

      • Flop Flipper

         Well, I like Romney. And I am a people or something like that.

        It’s obvious that you want the O dude re-elected.

        • PA

          Obama has been doing a very good job. He deserves to be re-elected, particularly compared to the clowns on the GOP side.

          Sorry if I do not want to hand the keys back over to a moronic party that drove this country into a ditch and wants us to go back to the same supply-side economics of the last 30 years which have done nothing but increase both the income and wealth gap for the select few in this country and gotten us into neocon wars.

          • Scottymac54

            “He deserves to be re-elected…”

            Barky thinks so, too…..

            “Sorry if I do not want to hand the keys back over to a moronic party that drove this country into a ditch and wants us to go back to the same supply-side economics of the last 30 years which have done nothing but increase both the income and wealth gap for the select few in this country and gotten us into neocon wars…”

            I agree fully, but, you know what?

            You and your fellow useful idiots have hijacked my party, so I’ll not vote for your candidates, until you come up with a qualified one…

            • PA

              “Your party”…. that is funny. I am not sure it ever was your party.

              Not sure what you complaints are with Obama and the Democrats, but it is competely moronic to move your support to a Republican party that has gone off the deep-end. That does not make any sense. What has the Republican party done for you lately? What are they acutally offering which is attractive? The fact that they want to defund contraception for women or want to blow further holes in the deficit and debt with more irresponsible tax cuts?

              Again, Obama has been doing a very good job. Healthcare for all, the economy is on the mend, the deficit is going down, we are getting out of wars… etc. He has made significant progress on all of the major issues left by Bush.

    • PTAb01

      Conservative are a bit tired of mOderates this true – moderates like to give in or up a bit too easily Don’t believe me? Look at where GOP is today they fought 4 Keystone Xl and got squat. they fought 4 balanced budget – zip They threaten gov shutdown over payroll taxcut – zilch. They cave. The only the GOP has the today was for Tea Party and conservative send in some fresh blood – what is happening now – they are called Hobbits by none other than McCain who lost the last election b/c he wouldn’t do the heavy fight needed.

      Yeah moderates get under my skin – compassionate conservative means fiscally reckless and socially ambiguous. When the GOP needed someone to fight in opposition to Obamacare it wasn’t a sea of moderates In frnot of the capital building.

      Let me explain something – it easier to negotiate something from a hard position (left or right) than from a soft position (center) b/c from the hard position u still end within your principled values from the center/ moderate u can be pushed either wAy out of your values.

    • Scottymac54

      “Quite honestly I believe that social conservative hate moderate, you know the ones that don’t hate homosexuals or think that women are too emotional to serve in combat and a host of other nonsense, more than they hate Democrats…”

      BUT, take note, that they don’t exactly turn away moderate votes, when they support the same eventual candidate.

      What basis for comparison do we have?  Well, we were Hillary supporters.

      More and more, I’m seeing “far-left” commenters on other blogs claiming they ALWAYS hated us, and regarded us as an impediment to “real progress”,LOL!

      I don’t think “real progress” has worked out too well.

      Too much reliance, on what’s been tried before, and failed.

      And original thoughts and ideas are not valued.

      But when we refused to line up like ducks behind them when their preferred radicals started showing up on the ballot, THEN, all of a sudden we were “expendable”, and they started pushing us off onto the waiting garbage scows….

      Better to align with “independents”, I think.  We’re more of a wild card. 

  • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

    Rick Santorum supporters don’t really care about anything other than social issues. They want another culture war. None of this has anything to do with government spending or the deficit. These people didn’t care about that when Bush was in power and they don’t honestly care about it with Obama in the White House (except for it’s another thing to complain about)… what they care about are social issues and they know Santorum is on their side on these things (and they also know that Romney isn’t – no matter what he says this week.)

    I would say that the only government power thing they do care about is ObamaCare but that’s only because they’ve been told to believe it’s so terrible. This is funny in a way because it’s this very irrational hatred of ObamaCare that may keep Romney from winning the nomination (as Santorum has been attacking RomneyCare lately… and I think this is a big part of his surge.)

    The reason I find this so funny is it’s sort of like Frankenstein, isn’t it? The Republican establishment has created a monster: the average GOP primary voter. This is a person who lives entirely “in the bubble” … this is a person who sees Rick Santorum as Presidential and Mitt Romney as a Liberal.

    The GOP has made their bed… and now they may end up sleeping with Santorum.

    • Anonymous

       Just another Dada party member, hoping his lobotomy will be covered under Obamascare.

      • PA

        You just another NQbot that has nothing to add but personal insults. You have no argument about anything, so you just insult people with with personal attacks like a juvenile. You should change your name to Ferd.

        • Anonymous

          Poor PA. I do believe his feelings have been hurt.
          The easiest way for you to save face is to keep your lower half shut.

          • PA

            What are you afraid of? A little debate? Something a little different than your Fox News?

            You should put your moronic flag back up.  

        • Anonymous

          Ferd?  Where is Ferd, I’ve missed him.

          • Scottymac54

            Oh, he’s here, stirring the bot–I mean, pot.

            Recruiting for his new cesspool of a blog, so I hear.

          • Scottymac54

            Oh, he’s here, stirring the bot–I mean, pot.

            Recruiting for his new cesspool of a blog, so I hear.

    • PA

      Funny listening to the hypocrite Santorum on the morning shows and conservatives in general talking about the intrusion of the government and then at the same time talking about abortion, contraception, gay marriage and other issues and how the government should intrude in peoples lives and ban these things.

    • Anonymous

      “These people didn’t care about that when Bush was in power” 

      You are wrong with that statement, we all cared and so did a lot of Republicans. They (Repugs) could see the direction that Bush was taking this country with all the spending and they were rebelling.  Look what happened when the Dems took over power in 2007 – nothing, the spending got worse.

      Both parties are run by idiots who do not care about getting our “fiscal house in order”.  If you think the Repugs are, then you are wrong; if you think the Dems are, you are wrong. 

      Oh, and if you think Romney can get our “fiscal house in order” you are wrong. Obama and the last Administration so thoroughly screwed up our economy that it will take at least a decade to right the wrongs.

      • Scottymac54

        “They (Repugs) could see the direction that Bush was taking this country with all the spending and they were rebelling…”

        Carol, there was total silence from ALL Republicans until after Barky’s inaugural.  NEVER, was there any sort of self-criticism, until AFTER Bush was out, and there was nothing even close to the way we Hillary supporters took on the hijacking of our party.

        Now, of course, it’s a different story.

        But all sides have reverted to form.

        And, sometimes, it seems former Democrats have become the worst of neocons.

        • Anonymous

          “And, sometimes, it seems former Democrats have become the worst of neocons.” 

          Who are you referring to?  I don’t think anyone on this blog can be labeled with that title.  I hope I don’t come off as being a neocon.  I just don’t want to have the Government take what I have and spread it around, nor do I want to pay for somebody else’s medical insurance, or tell me what I should drive and what I should eat. 

          I probably should have made myself clearer in stating the Repugs could see the direction Bush was taking.  I should have said my circle of friends and acquaintances that included a lot of Repugs were very vocal on the subject of the Bush Administration’s spending.  I think that is why we saw Obama win by 52%, a lot of disenfranchised Repugs voted for him because they thought he really could turn the economy around.  Why they thought that I will never know, except maybe they didn’t want’ to be called racists anymore.

          Us enlightened Dems knew that Bush was Dem Lite and we all knew that Obama was worse than Bush but nobody listened to us.  We were fighting tooth and nail for Hillary because we were intelligent enought to know that she would have turned the economy around and would have been an even better President than Bill.  But the Dem establishment threw her under the bus and ran over her again and again.  I lost all respect for the Democratic Party after that, held, my nose and voted fo McCain. 

          Now we have the Repug establishment telling us we need to vote for Romney because he is the only one who can beat Obama.  God Help America, but I don’t think Romney nor any of the Republican candidates can beat Obama.   I hope I am wrong.

          • Scottymac54

            “I don’t think anyone on this blog can be labeled with that title…”

            No, definitely not.

            And I voted for McCain, as well.

            My whole thing is, after being exiled from our own party, I’m not positive supporting the opposition serves our interests, for the simple reason that there is no place for us, with them.

            This primary debacle has demonstrated to me, that the establishment Right, is so caught up in ideological battles, there’s no interest on their part to address our unique issues, or even acknowledge our existence, even though we hold the votes they need to carry them to victory.

            I see the whole process of disenfranchisement starting up all over again.   The only difference is, this time I’m awake to recognize it.

            Regrettably, I see Barky poised to prevail, at this point. 

        • Ptab01

          U are incorrect the first acti e protest @ Wall St. The day after Tarp was signed. I know b/ c I was there.

          That was breaking point for many conservatives – we hated Medicare part d – we hated no child left behind- we hated the backtrack on GSEs Fannie & Freddie and we sat In The back of bus
          TARP snapped us… Birth of the TEA parties right there

  • Anonymous

    Santorum’s wife looks creepy.

    • Anonymous

      What’s that got to do with anything?  Go back to your hole and don’t come back up.

  • Anonymous

    Larry, your young Asian hotties are back.

    • Anonymous

      Ah, old males, that’s better.

    • Anonymous

      Asian hotties? What Asian hotties? I don’t see any Asian hotties. Or is that a new code word for trolls?

      • Anonymous

        Hi Arabella, nice to see you. How is your medical career going?
        There is an Asian dating site ad that has been cycling in under Larry’s picture from time to time. It features pictures of nubile young girls smiling in a come-hither fashion with their ages featured and inviting you to contact them.
        It’s sorta now you see them now you don’t.

      • Scottymac54

        “Or is that a new code word for trolls?”

        ROFLMAO!!

  • Jrterrier

    by the way, i hate to be a conspiracy theorist but all this talk about contraceptives and the HHS/Obama compromise brings to mind that out-of-the blue question by George Stephonopaulus at one of the NH primaries about contraceptives.  Romney handled it well, not falling into the trap and just asking George why he was asking the questions as he didn’t know of any state trying to outlaw contraception.  i’m not sure george ever explained why he asked the question or whether he had any inside info that the HHS rule was coming. 

    there is a split of opinion on whether in the end this helps or hurts.  while everyone is saying this will hurt among catholic voters, still instead of talking about the lousy economy on Obama’s watch, we are talking contraceptives.  i’m a not-so-good catholic and think the HHS rule is outlandish but think in the end, the courts will resolve the issue in favor of the church.  i’ve seen a number of younger women at catholic colleges rebelling against the church’s position. 

    wonder whether the obama campaign isn’t trying to paing the republicans into a corner with women.

    • Jrterrier

      shouldn’t we be talking about the obama budget?  http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703584804576144050996875790.html

      • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

        Obama has already proven himself as President – this election is going to be about the GOP clowns that want to screw this country back into bad old days of Bush.

        • Anonymous

          When and where has Obama proven himself as President?  Unless him wanting to give more handouts to the people.  Please give me facts!

          • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

            1. Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive.

            2. The stock market has nearly doubled from the bottom of the Bush Recession.

            3. 23 consecutive months of private sector job growth. 

            4. Health Care Reform. As Joe Biden would say: It’s a big friggin’ deal. It’s not perfect but it’s a step in the right direction.

            There are many more accomplishments of the Obama admin: go to “What The Heck Has Obama Done So Far?” to find out more.

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

               The only thing that isn’t complete & total b.s. on your list is #1 and that has as much to do with W. as it does with Obama. If you believe the rest of your so-called “points” I have to ask — what color is the sky in your world?

            • Anonymous

              Well Marvin unlike my last reply to you, I do not agree with you this time.  Yes BL is dead – Thank you Navy Seal Team Six.  He had no choice but to get him.

              Government Motors may be alive overseas, but their 90-day wonder the Volt is dead in the waters in the USA.

              23 consec. months of private sector job growth? Where and Who?  Fulltime – not.  Good wages, Not!

              The stock market had no where else to go, but up.  It also had nothing to do with Obama.

              HCR:  Wow Government handout 101.  Who is paying for this? You and me!  My health insurance premiums keep going up because of Obama Care.

              Oh one achievement of his that I can think of is – he has put more miles on Air Force One during his 3-yr. stint than any other Prez.

              Achievement No. 2:  He and the 1st Lady have spent more of the taxpayers’ money flying here, thither and yon than any other Prez & 1st Lady.

              Don’t forget he’s the 1st Prez to sue a State because that State tried to enforce laws that he is suppose to enforce.

              The “I know nothing” about the Government gun runners!  I know, I know, Bush did it too, but Bush informed the Mexican Government and people in his Admin.

    • Jrterrier

      shouldn’t we be talking about the obama budget?  http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703584804576144050996875790.html

    • Anonymous

       The
      Supreme Court ruled unanimously – unanimously – against this viewpoint in its
      Hosanna-Tabor v. Smith decision. It found that churches are not required to
      comply with the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) when it comes to it’s own
      “ministerial” employees. Ministerial was defined very broadly to include
      teachers in religious schools if those teachers have any responsibility for
      teaching church doctrine.

      The Obama administration argued in this case
      there should be no “ministerial exception” whatsoever, so this contempt for
      religious freedom is not new for them.

      • Anonymous

        Why would a church fight the ADA act?

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

           Um, the church didn’t fight the ADA — the ADA doesn’t apply to ministers — that’s what a ministerial exception means & why it was ridicule for the O admin. to argue otherwise. Kagan basically mocked the Obama solicitor general (her successor) when he argued against the ministerial exception.

          If you want more info on the particulars of that specific case & the “called” teacher who developed narcolepsy & tried to get the ministerial exception thrown out to force religious institutions to comply with the ADA re: minsters, then Google it. But if you do, FYI — you don’t need to write the word “act” after ADA.

          • Anonymous

            Perhaps I was unclear. I meant that the spirit of the ADA (no act) would seem to be something that would be of a kindred spirit with the values of Christians.
            I understand the legalities involved but sometimes I expect churches to rise above the law – to voluntarily go beyond what they legally HAVE to do.

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

              Seriously, what you just wrote makes no sense. The ADA does not apply to ministers of a religious institution because a religious institution has sole discretion whom to hire/fire to minister religious doctrine and the government cannot mess with that discretion under the First Amendment. And, btw, this applies to NON-Christian religious institutions as well (they do exist you know) although you keep referring o “churches” — there are mosques, synagogues, etc. This case was a Lutheran institution, I believe.

              And you obviously do not understand the legalities of the case or you wouldn’t have initially asked why the church would “fight” the ADA. Not only because of the particular facts of this case but because  a religious institution doesn’t have to “fight” the ADA when it doesn’t apply to them in the first place.

              • Anonymous

                Looks like you don’t get my meaning. I give up.

      • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

        1. Churches are already exempt from this law.

        2. This is already the law in 28 states. Obviously if the courts were going to strike it down, it would have been struck down already.

        This is just another example of the Republicans trying to create an issue where there isn’t one to distract voters from the real issues.

        • Wisewoman

          “Romney defended this very law as Mass. Gov in 2005. It is beyond preposterous for him to be acting like it’s some “attack on religion” now…. just absolutely absurd”.  That kind of false statement is why we despise you Obama, lying trolls.  If you can’t impart truthful information STFU.  The so called contraceptive law had passed before Romney became governor so his health care reform had nothing to do with the issue.  Liars, liars, liars, that is why I sometimes wish Larry would band you lying trolls.

    • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

      This is already law in 28 states. The courts have sided with the law every time. This isn’t even close to a real issue. This is a ginned up attempt by the Republicans to start a “war on religion” meme.

      And it’s hilarious that you are saying that it’s a bummer we’re not talking about the economy – that’s the entire reason the Republicans made a big deal out of this! They don’t want to talk about the economy now that people are seeing it as improving. 

      But yes, as usual, Obama is about 10 steps ahead of the Republicans – the idea that being anti-birth control is a political winner is insane. Once again the Republicans are marginalizing themselves as the party of the crank old white man who lives in the past. Once again they are anti-women. Once again Obama is the adult in the room offering a reasonable compromise.

  • cookiegramma

    Okay Larry, you asked. I am a conservative and a member of the Tea Party Patriots, and I will vote for Romney if forced, but I neither like or trust the man. First issue is Romneycare. I live in New England and have family in Massachusetts. None of them are any too happy with the healthcare up there except the one that works in the medical industry and is union. The rest of them think that healthcare has become drive-by medicine. I will grant you that the state is a liberal one, but from here they have far too many government run programs that cost big in taxes. I also very much dislike word I am seeing about the connections with George Soros and some of the first supporters speaking out for Romney.
    The other very real problem I have with Romney is the similarity between his run for the nomination and that of one Barack Obama. I do not want to be told before the voting even really begins by Washington insiders who the choice will be, and I suspect that there are many more like me out here. In all honesty one good thing about Santorum is that the elite of the party are not jumping on the bandwagon.
    To be fair I do not believe that it much matters who gets the nod, the difference has to be in the senate. I am so hoping that poor Harry Reid can get more time with his avocado trees and not in the office of Senate majority leader next year! The man is a nightmare with all he has blocked from even a vote. The American people did not elect Senators to see them sitting on their hands because mr. Reid does not have enough control of his membership to trust that they will be fully on board his point of view.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

       Do you realize you made a list of why you don’t like Romney, but Larry asked for reason to like Santorum?
      Basically, you likr Santorum only because he isn’t Romney.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

       Do you realize you made a list of why you don’t like Romney, but Larry asked for reason to like Santorum?
      Basically, you likr Santorum only because he isn’t Romney.

      • cookiegramma

        That may be true, but there really isn’t much to choose from now is there? I will admit that there are some out there that I would much prefer to have been able to choose from, but not one of them stood up to try, probably means that they are smarter than the ones running from what I have seen of politics.
        I do think that a lot of the spin about Santorum is a product of the msm, and I do think that he respects the difference between states rights and the role of the fed. I cannot hold against him the whole thing about earmarks, he was in office at a time when to not bring in the pork to your state was a losing proposition. being a female I do feel that women do see things differently than men. That does not mean that I think that we cannot be affective on the front lines. Perhaps things should not be judged in sound bites that are chosen by the msm.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

          Hey, the choices aren’t great — I didn’t mean to imply that they were. I was just pointing out that Larry asked for reasons to *like* Santorum & you basically listed “that he wasn’t Romney.” That isn’t the same thing. Just saying.

          As for Santorum respecting state’s rights, I have to laugh. Santorum doesn’t even know what state’s rights mean given the way he says Obamacare is the exact same thing as Romenycare.

          • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

            If you really think it’s going to fly to say that RomneyCare is different from ObamaCare because it’s a “states rights” thing… wow.  You are delusional to say the least. Not only is RomneyCare exactly like ObamaCare (and was the basis for ObamaCare) but Romney is on tape saying that it would be a great model for the whole nation.

            • Flop flipper

              Romneycare is ONE STATE making a choice. It does not IMPOSE that choice on other states. Big difference, regardless of what Romney may have said in the past.

              • PTAb01

                Regardless of one state or not it’s mandate require MA residents to purchase insurance simply b/c they are alive is WRONG and sets an unholy precedence for the state to continue to overstep their authority It is Bad Law

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

              You are a moron if you don’t understand the difference between state’s rights & the federal government or the difference between saying something and IMPLEMENTING something. Further, as someone who actually claims Obama has done a bang up job, have no business calling anyone else delusional.

            • Wisewoman

              Liar number???  Glad you did not put that in quotation.  I saw it and he was referring to other states in the US and you know it .  Larry you may want to consider banding intentional liars.  This election is too important for Hillary type attacks against any candidate to become commonplace on your site.

        • Kenoshamarge

          I don’t think the MSM needs to spin about Santorum. He was out of step enough that he lost his Senate seat by a lot.

          I don’t like Social Conservatives. And I don’t like Santorum because he’s a hypocrite and  a liar about fiscal issues that he supported. He’s a big ear-marker from waaaay back.

          If you think that MSM is pushing one way or another do your own research. There is plenty of information if you take the time to find it. Turn off the television because you won’t find the truth there. You will find bias and opinion. We need facts.

          I am far from a social liberal or a social conservative. I want both of them to keep their damn noses out of my personal business.

          Santorum stands for going backward and I don’t want that for myself or my 7 granddaughters. Obama stands for big government intruding into our lives more and more every day. I don’t want that for me or my 7 granddaughters.

          Romney is far from perfect. But at this time and place I find him the best choice.

          I cannot, will not vote for Santorum and I hope that all the anti-Romney people do not damage Romney so bad that we have 4 more years of Obama inflicted on us by people who have drank so much kool-aid they don’t care what happens to the country.

          • Ptab01

            Another lunatic… Fully aware that in refusing to vote for someone they elect Obama. More reason to close up shop and go to Paraguay thanks for that.

            • Scottymac54

              You’re not far off, LOL!

      • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

        So? The thing here seems to be anti-Obama. I’ve seen many people here saying they will vote for any lunatic (even Rick Santorum) as long as he isn’t Obama because of their frankly irrational hatred of the President. 

        Why would one be surprised that there are many people who feel the same way about Mitt “Believe in the Cayman Islands” Romney?

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

           So? SO? Can no one read? The “so” is that the question is why should we “like” Santorum not why we shouldn’t like Romney. Reading comp. 101 — try it.
          No wonder you like Obama.

        • Ptab01

          Irrational hatred ? Nah mine is entirely rational ANY POTUS that can sign a bill that authorizes indefinite detention under mere suspicion of being an associate of a terrorists or support of for US citizens is worth being consider the worst person in the world

          Aside from that… Targeting US citizens w/ drone attacks is four steps to far towards a despot for my opinion

          As well as anybody who can pass up building a pipeline ( not to mention the jobs) and allowing a potential strategic threat gain in the process is completely asinine

    • Wisewoman

      “ I also very much dislike word I am seeing about the connections with George Soros and some of the first supporters speaking out for Romney.”  Please don’t be taken in by this foolishness.  Don’t you recognize propaganda when you see it?  Soros is trying to help Obama by turning people against Romney.  It’s as plain as the nose on your face.

  • PA

    Two things Santorum has going for him versus Romney and Gingrich:

    > he is the only Republican candidate to talk with a more economic populism tone. He is the only candidate talking about the struggles of the middle class in any kind of real and believable way. That is hitting a cord with many Republicans versus Romney’s big business tone and Gingrich’s trashing Romney’s tone.

    “Is Economic Populism Behind Santorum’s Surge?”

    http://www.catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=24443

    > he is also a genuine conservative. Both Romney and Gingrich are not “genuine” conservatives. On social issues he is clearly the most conservative, which is all about half the Republican base cares about. On fiscal matters he is at least as conservative as anyone else running. 

    • Jrterrier

      who cares about economic populism.  i’m interested in economic success.  talk is cheap.  can the person get the job done?

      • PA

        Good for you, but clearly Santorum talking about the economy and the issues face is connecting with people. I agree I am interested in a party that can get the job done and the GOP has a poor track record of managing this economy. The trickle down left us in the the ditch.

        • Dorinda

          Santorum talks much more about social issues than economic populism.  Did he try to claim states rights on the Terry Schiavo fiasco?  Hell no.  He wanted the federal government to take a decision from the hands of her husband.  Santorum’s positions are only true conviction when convenient to him.

          • PA

            Agree.

          • Ptab01

            He is right to life
            There was no living will
            And Schiaro parents were his constituents
            He did his duty morally and ethically

    • Sousay

      UH…   last time I checked Ron Paul was still in the race. 

  • frank

    It’s not just homosexuals–Rick’s attitudes toward women are prehistoric. Just this week he was talking about how women “have different emotions” so are unfit for combat. I guess he thinks they should be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen. As an independent, I would never vote for this guy–and considering how much I want to get rid of Obama, that puts me in a terrible position. (Not that I would ever vote for O either, but a non-vote is critical this year.)

    • Jrterrier

      i also read a story about a santorum appearance at a school where he said that gay marriage was wrong.  problem is that two of the school kids lived in families with two gay parents.  really, why do you need to take that message to a school.  not nice to the children. 

    • wylrae

      “…and considering how much I want to get rid of Obama, that puts me in a terrible position.”

      Pretty much my sentiments; however, I would vote for Santorium before I would vote for Romney.  To me Romney is just the usual Wall Street, establishment backed candidateselected for us to support.  Frankly I am more interested in significant changes in Washington and I certainly don’t see that in Romney; i.e., that is why I am supporting Newt — yes, Ron Paul too could change Washington but for me his foreign policy statements for the most part turn me off. 

      • Jrterrier

        i don’t understand why everyone thinks that romney has been selected for us.  what i see, as a romney supporter, is that romney is having to fight the MSM, Foxnews, almost every politics-driven website  (except this one).  some former politicians support him but that’s about it.  neither the current speaker nor the Senate minority leader have come out in support of him.  none of the radio talk personalities are for him.  michelle malkin is backing santorum. only coulter supports him. 

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

           And previously, Malkin supported Bachmann, then Perry, then Cain, then Newt and now, finally, Santorum. IOW, whoever had the highest numbers and wasn’t Romney.

          The meme that TPTB “pre-selected” Romney is a fairy tale from the anti-Romney crowd — just like the meme that TPTB pre-selected Hillary was a fairy tale from the anti-Hillary crowd. And just like Hillary, each of Romney’s wins/strengths/achievements are being downplayed/dismissed by the MSM while the others are being treated with kid gloves. The only difference is that there was only one other real “not Hillary” choice in 2008 (Obama) while the “not Mitt” choices have fluctuated. And you know it is bad when the MSM is even treating Newt with kid gloves (never thought I’d see that happen) with all the focus on Romney’s “negative attack ads” against him, while failing to note that those ads were basically Newt’s true & accurate record.

          • Jrterrier

            the MSM thinks that romney is the only with a chance to beat obama so they don’t want him to get the nomination.  if santorum or newt get the nomination, the MSM will tear them apart.

            • Scottymac54

              “if santorum or newt get the nomination, the MSM will tear them apart…”

              And deservedly so.

          • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

            People like  Malkin aren’t the GOP establishment. They are sideshow barkers. 

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

              Gah, you really don’t have any reading comp. do you? I was directly replying to the previous poster’s comment on Malkin — the conversation had evolved (that’s what conversations do — at least among the non-kool aid addled — for the kool aid swillers like yourself who basically sit around echo chambers in a giant circle jerk, I see you don’t get the concept). I didn’t write anything to imply that Malkin was “establishment” – I was addressing the particular point made about Malkin backing Santorum. Go back to the circle jerk on the big cheeto.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

           And previously, Malkin supported Bachmann, then Perry, then Cain, then Newt and now, finally, Santorum. IOW, whoever had the highest numbers and wasn’t Romney.

          The meme that TPTB “pre-selected” Romney is a fairy tale from the anti-Romney crowd — just like the meme that TPTB pre-selected Hillary was a fairy tale from the anti-Hillary crowd. And just like Hillary, each of Romney’s wins/strengths/achievements are being downplayed/dismissed by the MSM while the others are being treated with kid gloves. The only difference is that there was only one other real “not Hillary” choice in 2008 (Obama) while the “not Mitt” choices have fluctuated. And you know it is bad when the MSM is even treating Newt with kid gloves (never thought I’d see that happen) with all the focus on Romney’s “negative attack ads” against him, while failing to note that those ads were basically Newt’s true & accurate record.

        • cookiegramma

          Have you forgotten that the elder Bush came out quite a while ago for Romney?

          • Jrterrier

            who listens to the elder bush?  the elder bush is a decent man.  is that the establishment? 

            • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

              just about all of the establishment endorsements have been for Romney. you’d have to be blind not to see that Romney is the “chosen one” … the only problem is that people just don’t like him. … the GOP & the media keeps underestimating how much Romney turns people off. … but it’s quite obvious the way he keeps falling behind obvious losers like Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, & Rick Santorum that people just simply do not like him.

              This is just the worst presidential field in memory… it’s shockingly bad.

              • Dorinda

                If he is the worst choice, why is the Obama campaign focusing exclusively on him in their attack ads, in all their punditry talking points, and in Obama’s snarky comments?  They wouldn’t waste time or money on someone they consider as a weak contender.  And I say this is a Democrat who quickly turned Independent in 2008. 

                • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

                  I didn’t say Romney is the GOP’s worst choice. Considering this terrible field he is clearly the only chance the Republicans have. 

                  That’s sort of the point though: The GOP establishment recognizes that Santorum & Gingrich can’t win a general election and that is why they are pushing Romney down the throats of the Republican voters when it’s clear that they want someone (anyone) else.

        • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

          That’s because most people can’t stand Romney. He’s clearly a smarmy full of crap liar. But that doesn’t mean that he isn’t seen as the GOP’s best hope and that the Republican establishment hasn’t been pushing him as the only real choice… it’s quite obvious that they have.

          • Anthony

            “He’s clearly a smarmy full of crap liar. ”

            I completely disagree with your characterization of Romney, but let’s play by your rules:  If this is true, then it would stand to reason you would LOVE him!  You’ve spend a lot of time defending and supporting the quintessential smarmy, full of crap liar of all times – Obama.

            I think you should read Dorinda’s comment above – right on the money.

            You guys are scared shitless of Romney, and all of us former Dems know it.  

        • Dorinda

          I thought Coulter backed Romney.  Did I get that wrong?

          • Anonymous

            No you are right, Coulter backs Romney.

    • PTAb01

      Women in combat roles? Seriously? U gonna slam a guy for not wanting to sacrifice women on the front lines of a war?

      Is not it bad enough that we gotta send in ANYONE! Jesus H Christ!
      I am pretty damn sure the average guy/gal/kid would certainly be happy to b kept from the horrors of War.

      If u want a historical reference in WW II the Russians used women In combat and while they were effective at brutally killing Nazis they were violently gang raped anytime they captured and summarily executed. Yeah… Let’s send our gals in for that… U r nucking futs !

  • Anonymous

     The media must be crying a river because Mitt won CPAC and Maine. How can they say Romney is on the way out now?
    Poor Ricky…….You got some ‘splainin’ to do!”

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

       Ha, ha! Well, obviously there was voter fraud in Maine, because no way did Paul lose that one & besides that, Rick didn’t even campaign there, so it doesn’t even count. AND when the results of the CPAC poll were announced, the CPAC audience wasn’t “too enthusiastic” for Mitt (nevermind that 38% of them had just voted for him). AND the CPAC audience was full of 25 year-olds & younger, which explains Mitt’s showing — Santorum is better among the oldersters (that’s a bad thing, I guess because the GOP doesn’t want to attract younger voters?)

      Seriously, I’ve already seen these memes being spewed all over the internet to dampen today’s results for Mitt. I wish I was making it up. SMH.

      • frank

        So both the CPAC vote AND Maine were fixed? That’s quite a stretch based on no evidence.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

           That’s kind of my point. I didn’t think I needed snark tags.

      • Jrterrier

        by the way, the 38% vote count in CPAC is the highest voting percentage except for 2000, when W got 40% of the vote before his presidential run.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

           Really? I didn’t know that — and I will not be holding my breath for that to get widely reported either. Thanks for letting me/us know.

        • Lisa

          Romney is going to be another telaprompter president if he wins.  All the candidates give me heart burn.  If Santorum wins – I will vote for Obama.

      • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

        A much more relevant poll was also released today and Santorum is up on Romney by 15% points. (38% to 23% nationally.)

        • Flop flipper

           None of these “daily” polls mean a thing. The only real poll that matters is winning. It’s something even the MSM can’t spin totally away.

        • Wisewoman

          We Hillary supporters also remember how false polls showing large wins by Obama which in many cases did not materialize did damage to Hillary and were used to help defeat her.  The same play book is being used against Romney.  Romney is being subjected to the Hillary tactics.  The latest ABC poll showing Santorium at 30% and Romney at 27% polled 350 people with a margin of error of a little more than 5%, yet they talk about this error prone, lying poll excessively.  We know who the dems want to run against, Paul, Gringrich, Santorium in that order.  They know Mitt is the only one who can give them competition that is why their hounds are doing their dirty work.

          • Georgi

            You are so right.  I’m still mad about it too.

      • Kenoshamarge

        How can this be? Aren’t we told, constantly, that the “establishment” is in Mitt’s back pocket. Or he’s in theirs I can’t keep the drivel straight.

        I know I saw several headlines about Maine in which the word “squeaked” out a win was used. Makes my case of how even when he wins he’s damned with faint praise.

        Gingrich’s rant about the “establishment” didn’t seem to do him much good did it?

    • PA

      Who in the media is saying Romney is on his way out? Never heard that from anyone. Most are saying he has had some setbacks, but he will eventually win. Name anyone of any significance in the Media saying Romney is on his way out. Given us a link. You have the entire Google to give us one example. More BS from you.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

        Do you even know what the word “surge” means? ‘Cause that’s what every outlet has been calling Santorum’s wins last Tuesday — “Santorum’s Surge!” Do you further understand how a “surge” works? (hint if one person is surging, the other guy cannot be).

        But you are going to have to Google examples (and dictionary definitions) for yourself, I’m not your personal librarian.

        • PA

          Don’t avoid addressing the question. Again give us one example of as HARP2 say of anyone in the media saying that Romney is on is way out? Complete BS.

          HARP2 continually likes to set-up these strawmen so he can essentially argue with himself.

          A surge by Sanotrum, which is true, is not the same as someone in the media saying that Romney is on his way out.

          Sorry if you cannot understand the difference.

      • Anonymous

         Well look at this. A member of the Dada party has a pulled himself out of the dung heap long enough to enlighten us with his wisdom. I can rest easy tonight knowing I have been educated by one of the “head sphincters” muscles.

        • PA

          You are funny. You insults just show us how weak your arguments are.

        • Anonymous

          who let the dogz out?

      • Anonymous

         Well look at this. A member of the Dada party has a pulled himself out of the dung heap long enough to enlighten us with his wisdom. I can rest easy tonight knowing I have been educated by one of the “head sphincters” muscles.

      • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

        Good point. Most in the media are still saying Romney is bound to win… despite the fact that he’s getting trounced by Santorum in the latest polls and the hasn’t been able to hold onto the lead in the national polls for more than a week. I mean… there’s no reason from the results alone to think that Romney is inevitable… yet most in the media still say that he is.

        • Flop flipper

           They build him up so they can tear him down.

    • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

      Nobody cares about that stuff. It’s like winning the Iowa Straw Poll or some such nonsense.

      New national PPP poll: Santorum 38% Romney 23%… without Gingrich Santorum is up 50% to 28%. Things are looking terrible for Mitt right now. 

      That’s not to say I don’t think he’ll still pull it out… he probably will but only because it’s beyond reason to think that Obama could get lucky enough to get to run for reelection against Rick “Sweater Vest” Santorum. 

    • Flop flipper

       Haven’t you heard? Saintorum is implying that Romney bought the CPAC vote.

      • PTAb01

        Paul is claiming Romney bought ME.
        Santorum is claiming Romney stacked CPAC.

        Believe it or not it makes little difference