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Pro Life Hypocrisy?

Conservatives claim to believe that the power of government should be limited when it comes to personal privacy. At least that is what I believe. Conservatives bristle justifiably at the intrusion of TSA agents groping one’s crotch at an airport security checkpoint.

So here comes Virginia with a new law requiring a woman who wants to get an abortion to undergo a sonogram:

The Virginia state legislature has introduced a bill requiring women get a sonogram before they get an abortion. It must be given by an MD at least two hours before the procedure — not one of the “nurses” employed by the abortion clinic — and the woman must be given the opportunity to see the ultrasound image and hear the heartbeat.

She is not required to do either, but the option must be made available to her. Pro-abortion advocates immediately flew into attack mode, because heaven forbid anything be done to ensure women get the correct medical information before having an abortion! Hysterics over any attempt to curtail abortions are nothing new, and this time they’ve come up with a rather… interesting argument. Ultrasounds equal rape!

Well, is it rape?

Leave it to Jon Stewart to answer that question:

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Yes, if the State can force you to spread your legs and insert a foreign object against your will, that is rape. While I can understand the desire of pro-life advocates to ensure women have all information about the fetus before choosing to abort one, the State has no goddamned business imposing this kind of procedure on any woman.

Your thoughts?

  • Anonymous

    “This title is incredibly misleading.  If you want to point out pro-life
    hypocrisy, how about noting the number of pro-life people that are also
    pro-death penalty?”

    I one used a similar argument when I was pro choice but mine pointed out ” that they are also pro war.” Matthew there is a bit of difference between a innocent unborn baby and some evil adult who chooses to kill others in cold blood. An example:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/27/conn-home-invasion-killer_n_1237416.html

    • Anonymous

      Tried to put this as a reply to Matthew J. Weaver and something went wrong.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe this would be better.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHhZjMulhiA

  • Anonymous

    Don’t be stupid. At least, don’t be stupid on purpose.

    A woman CHOOSES to have an abortion. She consents to what happens.

    A woman who the government FORCES to have a transvaginal ultrasound DOES NOT CONSENT to what happens. She is FORCED to submit.

    If you really can’t see the difference, well, then at least you’re not being stupid… on purpose.

    • http://ptab-outoforder.blogspot.com/ Ptab01

      Stare funded abortions legally can require an ultrasound/ sonogram
      Private funded abortions covered by individuals own health insurance will cover what the insurance is written for – typically abortions due to health concerns of the MOTHER, rape or incest.

  • Anonymous

    OK please let me rail against Virginia. While they are busy butting into people’s personal lives they are letting business being done in the state go down the tube.
    We  have an employee who works offsite who moved there and I am going throught sheer HELL just trying to sort out their taxes for him. Most other states, you register with them, they send you a number and a tax booklet and you can either mail it in or pay online.
    Virginia  has TWO departments – One for UI and one for taxes so you need TWO numbers. Their website self-admittedly doesn’t work so you have to mail in your application. The people you phone have completely given up on the situation and are no help.
    I just want to pay the $%&#% State taxes and everyone there seems to be fighting over abortion!
    And yes, I do use an outside payroll service who tells me it is MY responsibility to sort it out with Virginia.

     

  • Anonymous

    Since Roe v. Wade..and abortion was legalized …. and your US taxpayer $$$ goes to help fund Planned Parenthood..an estimated 13 – 15 MILLION African-American babies..have been aborted.  Is this a good thing? I am having second thoughts.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8977zALdnkc&feature=related

  • Anonymous

    I think there should be a law requiring that right wing politicians have
    their colons transrectally ultrasounded every time they want to take a shit, to give them a good look at their pre-birth shitty ideas.

  • Anonymous

    How on earth can anyone support a law like this? Forced by the Government to have something inserted in your vagina is okay but TSA patdowns are wrong?

    This is not only wrong, it’s damn sickingly wrong. It’s the kind of thing that makes me wonder how I can support Republicans. I thought Bob McDonnell was a moderate and a decent man. Not any more.

    • Anonymous

      And just when I’m ready to swear off the damn Republicans, as I’ve sworn off the majority of Dems, I find this youtube moment from Governor Chris Christie. OT but fun just the same.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrt_7uS9bwI

  • Anonymous

    I think male members of the Virginia legislature should be required to have a prostate exam before every vote.

    • Anonymous

       They will need to have their heads forcibly removed from their asses before that could be possible.

      • Anonymous

         Damn! I knew I was forgetting something!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5LZSPYBO4QY2EQFQ7TC6SDMK24 Janet

    Since when during an ultrasound do they insert anything? Ultrasound is above the skin, its a camera that transmits the view to a screen. 

  • Anonymous

    Freaky shit, LJ.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DXEH5226VXYIM22E66OTQCVPRE Jacqueline S

    It is important to recognize that in the State of Virginia the women seeking abortions or taking abortificants through Planned Parenthood are already getting VAGINAL Ultrasounds in 86% of the cases.
    This is done to ensure that the surgical abortion does not puncture the uterus and that the womb is completely cleared of all material associated with the pregnancy to avoid life threatening infections for both medicinal and mechanical abortions.

    The catch here is they do not show the image of the baby nor do they allow the woman to hear the heart beat.

    I am no fan of government involved in my uterus. That is between me and the Creator of the Universe–should He not get the joke I will pay eternally. Nuff said.

    But this is not the “rape” the women’s movement is claiming. This procedure is performed in the VAST MAJORITY OF ABORTIONS NATION WIDE now and viewed as necessary for maternal well being.

    Just show the pictures that is what VA is asking. 

    As sad as it is there are many women who really don’t get that a feotus is a baby in process. 

    Women need control of thier bodies. But they need to respect them as well.

    • Anonymous

      Why do you single-out Planned Parenthood? You sound like an ideologue.

      “It is important to recognize that in the State of Virginia the women seeking abortions or taking abortificants through Planned Parenthood are already getting VAGINAL Ultrasounds in 86% of the cases.”

      Do you have any actual proof of that? How about a link to a credible source to prove your BS.

      If it is required for “maternal well being”, then that should be between a woman and her Doctor.

      That moron Governor McDonnell finally woke-up and has made it optional. The GOP keeps back-pedaling on their war on women. To late though, as they are going to feel it in the polls.

    • Anonymous

       I think that most women do see their fetuses as babies (children). At least, most, if not all of the women I have known throughout my lifetime have.

      I don’t believe that most women consider an abortion as something akin to stopping at Starbucks for a cup of coffee.

      I agree it is a matter of respect. It’s a difficult decision but always the woman’s decision to make. Not the state or fed.

    • Anonymous

       I think that most women do see their fetuses as babies (children). At least, most, if not all of the women I have known throughout my lifetime have.

      I don’t believe that most women consider an abortion as something akin to stopping at Starbucks for a cup of coffee.

      I agree it is a matter of respect. It’s a difficult decision but always the woman’s decision to make. Not the state or fed.

    • Anonymous

      “Women need control of thier bodies. But they need to respect them as well. ”
      Speak for yourself lady without the holier-than-thou attitude toward others.

      • Anonymous

        Damn straight EllenD818! How can you have control of your body if the damn government can insert foreign objects in it against your will? When a stranger does it to you in your home it’s called rape. When the government does it to you in a medical facility it’s okay? Not in my book it isn’t!

        • http://ptab-outoforder.blogspot.com/ Ptab01

          I find it absolutely hilarious you fein this moral outrage over this and yet believe that government should force insurers to pay for such proceedures.

          The hypocrisy is palpable

          • Anonymous

            Sorry pinhead but I don’t feel the government should force insurers to pay for such procedures.

            I don’t “fein” outrage, I am outraged.

            Save your scolding for someone else. Or someone that gives a rat’s ass just what you find absolutely hilarious.

            • http://ptab-outoforder.blogspot.com/ Ptab01

              In the state of VA public funds are utilized for abortions.
              Therefor they are free to require sonograms of pre aborted human children ( and yes let us say that, over a purposely dumbed down term as “fetus”- because that life form is not going develop into a cow or a dolphin or a cat – it is A developing Human Life)
              Studies are showing that as early as 26 weeks ( the end of the 2cnd trimester) the human life in utero is the child’s brain is capable to discern soundwaves, visual acuity, it is linked to it’s nervous system and capable of feeling it’s environment and extremely likely capable of feeling pain. Pro abortion defenders proclaim this to be of little consequence since the chid is not to have formed a consciousness.
              But by all means let us fight over a procedures

              • Anonymous

                I have no intention of fighting with you over anything. I don’t find you worth the time or effort. You said something about me that wasn’t true. I corrected it.

                Now you are once again saying something about me that isn’t true. I am most definitely NOT pro-abortion. I would never have had one and find the practice of them for birth control despicable. As I ‘ve stated several times.

                You don’t know me and you don’t know what I think or how I feel. So STFU about me.

                Done with you.

    • Anonymous

      It is rape if it is done against your will. Some rapists, who are impotent use foreign objects to rape their victims. This seems the same thing to me. The government has no damn right to force a woman to have a probe inserted in her vagina. For any reason.

      What the hell is wrong with you? Respect your body? Fine. In your own damn way. Mine is to refuse to have the government insert itself, pun intended, in my private life in any way.

      I get that you are pro-life. Your choice. Not your right to force your choice on the rest of us.

      FYI, I personally would never have had an abortion. I would have taken the morning after pill in the case of rape or incest. I find abortion as a means of birth control repulsive. My choice. Not my choice to force on someone else.

      What a bunch of damn hypocrites. TSA pat-down = wrong and invasive. Forcing a woman to have a probe inserted in her body = fine and dandy.

      Every woman in this country should be outraged, pro-choice or pro-life.

      • Anonymous

         

        It is rape if it is done against your will.

        Game. Set. Match.

  • Anonymous

    The State needs to stay out of the issue ENTIRELY!

    • Anonymous

      Yep.

  • Anonymous

    The Governor put out a statement this afternoon that he’d consulted with numerous people and would not sign the bill that Del. Marshall wrote (and that George Allen vigorously supported) which called for an internal or vaginal ultrasound rather than an external or abdominal ulstrasound.  While it was reported that most abortions are preceeded by an ultrasound (probably standard of care), it’s an abdominal ultrasound and is done to date the pregnancy and note any abnormalities that could cause problems, like a perforated uterus.

    So, the Gov has asked that amendments to the bill be debated and it would not stand as written.  Poor George.  He always comes down on the wrong side of the issues then gets left holding his finger to the wind.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not pro-life, not pro-abortion either, I want that choice up to the woman, the choice has to be respected either way.
    I know several nurses who I was discussing this with sort of ambivilance about it. I asked them why.  Apparently, before a woman has an abortion she needs an ultrasound anyways, PP uses them pretty much 100% of the time before the abortion, I would assume they would have to for medical purposes.
     And I suspect this law is from the pro-life community to try to sway the woman’s decision and choice their way.
    I do have a problem with this type of ultrasound, there are others that can be used. As long as that is amended I would have no issue with this law, that is a state’s right issue and as long the woman is not stopped from her decision, either way.
    Its the invasive ultrasound I have an issue with, there are others that can be used that are not this invasive, VA I assume is a more conservative state, as long as they amend it and do not stop a woman’s decision either way, then I would say, well, ok, fine.

    • Anonymous

      Planned Parenthood, and many other abortion providers, administer ultrasounds IMMEDIATELY before performing an abortion. This is to verify the gestational age of the fetus, because a fetus that is too far along generally can’t be aborted legally.

      Virginia — and other states already requiring forced ultrasounds — would require a SEPARATE ultrasounds, at least two weeks prior to the abortion procedure.

      Big difference. The former has a purpose, and the latter has none.

      • Anonymous

        Yea, the nurses I spoke with mentioned that. I’m pretty pro-choice straight down the middle, I agree this law is to sway women to not abort their fetus, and I would say, ok, fine, they want to advocate for it, fine. Va I guess is conservative so it would make sense why they want this.
         My main issues is 2 fold, as long as the type of mandatory ultrasound is changed to a noninvasive one, fine (other states have a noninvasive mandatory one), and second, if a woman still wants to go through with it, then her wishes have to be respected, either choice she makes.
        I already know the purpose of this law, I’m also a big believer in a state’s right, VA is conservative, NY is not. So, if VA wants to sway women one way, ok fine, women who want this procedure are smart enough to figure it out, so just make the mandatory ultrasound noninvasive, and respect the choice of the woman’s decision, whichever choice she makes, then I’m ok with the law.

    • Anonymous

       As long as the decisions are made by the general consensus of medical professionals and not by the state I can live with it, even if it pisses off some liberals.

  • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew J. Weaver

    Larry,

    This title is incredibly misleading.  If you want to point out pro-life hypocrisy, how about noting the number of pro-life people that are also pro-death penalty?

    Look, this lot is not hypocritical at all.  It is a pragmatic step to encourage reflection before having an abortion.  Read what its says, they must be given the opportunity to have the ultrasound, NOT required to have it.  As a voluntary option before having an abortion, why not?  Again, it is not requiring the test and, should the woman want to proceed with the abortion, the law is not stopping her.  Consider the alternative with Santorum, if he could not ban the abortion outright, he’d make this and other procedures mandatory.  Or, with Obama and Democrats offering up abortions and birth control to little girls without parental involvement.

    Given the choice, I’d prefer no abortions; as a compromise asking people to think first and consider the consequences is very reasonable.  Again, what is the downside?  A few less abortions?  Is that bad?

    Matthew

    • Anonymous

      Wrong on the facts:

      “Read what its says, they must be given the opportunity to have the ultrasound, NOT required to have it.”

      Incorrect. They must be given an opportunity to VIEW THE RESULTS of the ultrasound. There is NO option NOT TO HAVE the ultrasound. So, get your facts straight.

      Wrong on the logic, too:

      “It is a pragmatic step to encourage reflection before having an abortion.”

      This presumes that women do not give careful thought on their own to terminating their own pregnancies. That’s absurd (and this is a man speaking) and, frankly, offensive. There is no woman in the world who does not already know what it means to end a pregnancy. They don’t need a shove from the government to get them to think about it. And that’s not the government’s job, in the first place.

      • Anonymous

         I wish I could like your comment more than once.

    • Anonymous

       ”This title is incredibly misleading.  If you want to point out pro-life
      hypocrisy, how about noting the number of pro-life people that are also
      pro-death penalty?”

      You are right on target here……

    • Anonymous

       Women already make these difficult decisions on their own. The STATE has no right to verify that they have thought it out first.

      If the STATE isn’t paying for it then it is really none of their concern. I thought we wanted to end the “nanny state.”

      • Anonymous

        http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2012/february/planned-parenthood.html

        The $1 billion-a-year organization said in its most
        recent annual report that it performed 329,445 abortions in 2010. $487
        million, 46 percent of its revenue, came from government health service
        grants and reimbursements. The organization cannot legally use taxpayer
        dollars for an abortion. But, pro-life activists allege, the agency does
        not segregate funds as it should, effectively resulting in taxpayer
        support for abortion.
         

        • Anonymous

           

          But, pro-life activists allege, the agency does not segregate funds as it should, effectively resulting in taxpayer support for abortion.

          An allegation is not a fact. Provide proof and you may find allies. Innuendos, maybes and mights don’t sway me.

          I don’t support abortion as a general practice. But I would have no problem having my tax dollars assisting a woman that was raped have an abortion, if she was unable to afford it on her own.

    • Anonymous

      Given the choice, I’d prefer no abortions;

      Then don’t have one!

    • Anonymous

      How condescending and arrogant of you to assume that a woman seeking to end a pregnancy hasn’t thought long and hard about this decision and doesn’t know EXACTLY what she is doing and why she is doing it, long before she gets to her doctor’s office.

      • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew J. Weaver

        My first thought on reading your rude and insulting comment was to ignore it. But as I reflect, I’ve decided to respond to you because I am tired of people opting for rudeness like “condescending and arrogant of you to” instead of engaging in tolerant, mature discussion. Is this the best you can do, be rude and offer insults? You know, the balance of your comment was good but got completely lost by your opening insults. Why not keep the insults, rudeness, and anger to yourself and instead write to invite a discussion of ideas and opinions that is respectful of the many writers and commenters here on NoQuarterUSA?

        • Anonymous

          I see. You imply that women seeking an abortion don’t even think about it beforehand and are incapable of making their own informed decisions. You state that any woman who seeks an abortion is fair game for being the target of state-mandated rape (which you describe as ”a pragmatic step”). Yet I am the one who is “rude” for calling you on such insulting, paternalistic and cruelly inhumane views.

          Well pardon me if I LOL. But I do apologize for offending your exquisite (if entirely self-referential) sensibilities.

          One thing’s for sure, you would never make it as a female in this country. One walk past an open construction site and you’d crumple up whimpering on the pavement.  

          • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew J. Weaver

            Calling an ultrasound “rape” is farcical hysterics. Note they’ve removed “transvaginal” from the ultrasound requirement, so the suggestion is for an external ultrasound, which is often done anyway. I’ve got 4-year old twin boys and we went in and got ultrasounds at least once a week, especially late in my wife’s full-term pregnancy. Rape?! Get real, nothing of the sort.

            Look, I don’t agree with abortion, except in the life of the mother. As a Catholic, I’m not even supposed to allow for that. I absolutely object to any tax payer funds used for one; as a small business owner, I would object to the government telling me that I need to subsidize it in insurance I might offer, and as a taxpayer, no way as well. Now, if you want to go get an abortion and you think it is morally and ethically okay, and on your own dime, go for it, but even then I do not see what is wrong with society and the state asking that you consider getting an ultrasound, maybe even looking at and hearing the life you are about to kill.

            Nothing paternalist, nothing inhumane about such a small step as an ultrasound, which you are likely getting anyway. Heck, talk about inhumane, you are talking about killing an innocent baby, a fetus, if you prefer, but still an innocent human life who’s only misfortune is having you as a parent. Again, asking and requiring this little step is not onerous and, as others note, is common step before killing through abortion anyway.

            • Anonymous

              “I absolutely object to any tax payer funds used for one”

              Then you will be happy to learn that the idea that federal tax dollars are ever used to pay for abortions is a 100% myth.

              “Asking and requiring this little step.”

              The government forcing you have a wand inserted into your body against your will, for absolutely no medical purpose, is hardly a “little step,” and it’s incredibly disingenuous to characterize it that way. And yes, that’s EXACTLY what they wanted to require, and the only reason they didn’t get away with it is public outrage.

              As for your continued insinuation that women are too stupid or heartless to consider with care their own decisions about the own pregnancies… the less said, the better.

            • Anonymous

              “I absolutely object to any tax payer funds used for one”

              Then you will be happy to learn that the idea that federal tax dollars are ever used to pay for abortions is a 100% myth.

              “Asking and requiring this little step.”

              The government forcing you have a wand inserted into your body against your will, for absolutely no medical purpose, is hardly a “little step,” and it’s incredibly disingenuous to characterize it that way. And yes, that’s EXACTLY what they wanted to require, and the only reason they didn’t get away with it is public outrage.

              As for your continued insinuation that women are too stupid or heartless to consider with care their own decisions about the own pregnancies… the less said, the better.

              • Anonymous

                Planned Parenthood does get money from the US Government:

                http://conservapedia.com/Planned_Parenthood

                The Planned Parenthood Federation of America operates clinics which perform abortions and provide birth control[1] and a limited amount of health care. Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in the United States. [2] It performs nearly 200 times more abortions than referrals for adoption. [3] It is a eugenicist-founded organization. It is taxpayer subsidized based upon its tax exempt status and federal funding for birth control. 

                (snip)

                2001 through 2006.[4]
                and had over $1 billion in income in 2006. Planned Parenthood had a
                surplus of nearly $115 million and received $336 million dollars from
                the government in order to carry out its operations, including almost
                300,000 abortions that year.[5]

                 

            • Anonymous

              Obviously I was not referring to exterior ultrasounds as rape. The original bill did require state-mandated rape — transvaginal ultrasounds performed without the woman’s consent – for most women seeking abortions, because exterior ultrasounds are utterly useless in the early months of pregnancy. 

              Not onerous? For many poor and low- and middle-income women, a very expensive, medically unnecessary procedure performed without the woman’s consent, requiring a waiting period of several hours to several days (requiring not one but 2 different appointments, with the comcomitant additional time off from work/school, travel expenses, arranging and paying for child-care for kids at home, etc.), delays which may well render the procedure more dangerous for the woman’s health, and accompanied by moralizing lectures from medical professionals you’ve gone to not for unneeded moral guidance but for needed medical treatment — I daresay quite a few women might consider that extremely onerous. (It appears you lack the empathic capacity to put yourself in those women’s shoes, so I’m sorry I’ve taken the time to try to explain this to you).

              Any woman who truly shares your belief on this issue is not going to be seeking an abortion (although of course Catholic women do have abortions at about the same rate as non-Catholics). The ONLY purpose of this burdensome, insulting requirement is to bully, shame, threaten, assault, and guilt-trip women who DON’T share your beliefs, to completely disempower them, and to wear them down to the point that they agree to having your beliefs imposed upon them — however much they later regret it. 

              It is as clear a statement as can be made that – in your view and in the view of Virginia’s Republican legislators – women are completely unqualified to make their own decisions about their own bodies, their own health, their own lives, and their and their families’ well-being. If that’s not pure paternalism, then nothing is.   

        • Anonymous

          Oh, come off it. Sorry it hurts your widdle feewings to be called out on the condescending and arrogant opinion that you expressed.

          And yes: it IS condescending and arrogant to imply that women need the government’s help to think through their decisions about their own pregnancies. So don’t be an ass if you don’t like being called an ass.

          • http://ptab-outoforder.blogspot.com/ Ptab01

            Just one question for you’ Win43,

            What makes you think a woman has throughly thought it over?
            It would seem by your comments that you are certain of it, I am not so … A great deal of females are in fact directed to the local PP and a short interview w/ a brochure and an appointment. Very inquiry made on the phone or in the office is, by management directive, is to be convert to a purchase of service.

            How much counseling is really taking place there?
            I have witnessed the sales pitches… They are better than most automobile salespersons.

            But by all means continue your fictional narrative of the thoughtful young woman faced with tortured feelings about what they considering It is so entirely WE network.

            • Anonymous

              “Counselling” has nothing to do with it. Women seeking an abortion have already thought about it and made their decision before they contact a medical professional or organization to have the abortion procedure done. Just as any person would about any medical procedure. Duh. 

              Why is it so difficult for people to respect women’s decisions about their health? Why do you assume women don’t know what they are doing when they seek medical treatment? If a man decides to seek medical treatment, wouldn’t you assume he knows what he is doing? Jeez.

              • http://ptab-outoforder.blogspot.com/ Ptab01

                It is a bit of a straw man argument Ro ask Men aren’t faced w/ similar questions… Men can not conceive and there for bring life into the world

                Guess the real becomes what the value of life? If u look around the globe only ethnic populations believe in the notion of having large families. Most western societies are not breeding to even a replacement level.
                Whatever… I am not against abortion b/c seeing a child under the care of a parent who doesn’t care for them is almost as bad as the being killed before birth.

    • Anonymous

      How condescending and arrogant of you to assume that a woman seeking to end a pregnancy hasn’t thought long and hard about this decision and doesn’t know EXACTLY what she is doing and why she is doing it, long before she gets to her doctor’s office.

  • Anonymous

    Shit like this is why I voted Democrat for so many years. This is the old-school GOP that claims to stand for the Constitution but only if doing so supports their demented aims. Frankly, if the GOP doesn’t change it’s attitudes and policies in the very near term then I’m going to look elsewhere for political representation. The state has absolutely NO right to invade an individual’s personal privacy. It’s so unconstitutional that I think I could get my two month old nephew to understand it. This is the political equivalent of flag burning.

    • Anonymous

      I told myself long ago, I would no longer 
      be a single issue voter.
      I will not vote DEMOCRAT again,
      but when the GOP plays this crappy card 
      it gets my back up.

      The GOP’s intention to divide their
      party further and cause people like me
      to grin an bare it, PISSES ME OFF.

      It’s a wedge issue, that should be retired.

      • Anonymous

         I completely agree with you. I’m starting to lean left and if these crazy bastards don’t shift gears and pay attention to the real problems in our country I will abandon them like I did the Democrats.

      • Anonymous

         ”It’s a wedge issue, that should be retired.”

        I agree and this was retired until Santorum took the front runner position. Look I’m pro life but since it looks like the only way to get Roe vs. Wade overturned is thru a Constitutional amendment. And getting an amendment thru doesn’t have one chance in hades. So leave it be, there are a lot of problems in our country that require attention.

      • Anonymous

         ”It’s a wedge issue, that should be retired.”

        I agree and this was retired until Santorum took the front runner position. Look I’m pro life but since it looks like the only way to get Roe vs. Wade overturned is thru a Constitutional amendment. And getting an amendment thru doesn’t have one chance in hades. So leave it be, there are a lot of problems in our country that require attention.

    • Anonymous

      I know exactly how you feel. Just as I cannot, will not support the damn “Nanny” state I cannot and will not support a “Pappy” state either.

      Republicans who can support this forcible invasion of a woman’s body and have a hissy fit about the TSA are incapable of rational thought.

      Libertarian Party and Gary Johnson are looking better all the time.

  • Anonymous

    “While I can understand the desire of pro-life advocates to ensure women have all information about the fetus before choosing to abort one”

    These laws are not about “information about the fetus,” and they never have been. They are simply about creating as many hurdles as possible for any woman who wants to terminate a pregnancy. Forced ultrasounds (transvaginal or otherwise) take time, and more importantly make a decision that is already emotionally wrenching, and make it even harder.

    Women who choose to end their pregnancies already know what that means. They don’t need to be raked over the coals by forced ultrasounds to give them more “information” about their choice. This is simply punishment of women by those who disagree with their choice on moral grounds.

    PS: No doubt there are some here who believe that abortion is wrong, and that it should be illegal with limited exceptions. That’s fine — it’s a difficult issue, and people of good faith can have differing opinions. But the fact is, abortion IS legal. There is a constitutional right to have an abortion. And I do not think it is the government’s proper role to punish women for taking a legal action, simply because some citizens disapprove of it.

    • Anonymous

      And these moronic conservatives complain about government overreach.

  • Anonymous

    This whole thing has pissed me off.

    The words I heard Megan McCain 
    use were  Vaginal Probing.

    It’s Rape!!!!

    http://www.breitbart.tv/for-the-record-meghan-mccain-not-pro-vaginal-probing/

  • Anonymous

    The GOP’s war on women continues…  and they expect to win elections on this stuff?

    Abortion restrictions, no insurance coverage for contraception, personhood legislation that would ban most forms of contraception, defunding Planned Parenthood and now his…

    What is next?

    • Anonymous

      What’s next?  How about the universal right to a free abortion paid for by taxpayer dollars via a national healthcare system?  Surely the entire planet would support that.

      • Anonymous

        “How about the universal right to a free abortion paid for by taxpayer dollars via a national healthcare system?”

        That’s miles and miles away from the current state of the law. Currently, ZERO federal dollars are used to pay for abortions. ZERO. No state provides free abortions, either. 
        What we have, in any state where the Republicans have majorities, is a systematic rollback of a woman’s right to make her own determinations about her own health care with respect to whether she will or will not bear children. We have seven states ALREADY requiring ultrasounds before an abortion may be obtained. We have waiting period and notification laws designed solely to make it more emotionally devastating than it already is to get an abortion. We have laws restricting medically necessary procedures that occur prior to fetal viability. All this is on top of efforts to defund women’s healthcare groups like Planned Parenthood, and restrict access to the single most basic element of reproductive health: contraceptives. 

        You are apparently living in a land of make-believe, if what you think we have is anything close to free abortion on demand.What’s next — I hope — is that we will stop seeing reproductive rights curtailed federally and in GOP-controlled states. The way things have been going for the last decade, just holding ground is a win.

        • Anonymous

           I suppose the next logical step for these maniacs will be to require women that get abortions to wear a Scarlet A anytime they are in public. Burkhas can’t be far behind.

          • Anonymous

            Evangelicals are the Taliban of America.

      • Anonymous

        “How about the universal right to a free abortion paid for by taxpayer dollars via a national healthcare system?  Surely the entire planet would support that.”

        You need to get out more.

        In fact, the entire planet other than the U.S. does pay for abortion in their taxpayer funded national government healthcare programs.

        Another classic NQ response by you. Hall of Fame material and a very funny response.

      • Anonymous

        as long as it meets our inter-state commerce clause….the shipping is free.

        • Anonymous

           Unfortunately for the Obots this is not within the realm of our Constitution. Damned glad of it too.

    • Anonymous

       Strangely, we almost agree on this subject.