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Is Sandra Fluke Really Up for Rhyming with Fuck?

I don’t claim to be an English scholar, but I do understand basic conventions about spelling and pronouning English words. Why is the media and most pundits insisting on pronouncing Sandra Fluke’s last name as “FLUCK.” What the fluck is going on?

Let’s do a simple test. How do you pronounce “Luke?” Does “Luke” rhyme with “Luck?” Nope. How about “puke?” Is “puke” an alternative way of spelling “puck?”

Personally, I want to puke or use a nuke when Fluke is pronouced as Fluck. It is a fluking nightmare to insist that fluke is actually fluck. Since when does “fluke” rhyme with buck, truck, fuck, duck, muck, luck and suck.

I know some of you are very creative. How about some haikus featuring words that rhyme with fluke and fuck. If Sandra Fluke really is a Fuck with an L, then let’s explain the etymology of that word. I don’t get it. Of course, I don’t get how a girl attending one of the priciest law schools in America has time to “fluke” around and engage in consensual sex with a frequency that requires, per her calculus, more than $3000 worth of contraceptives. That level of sexual activity is indicative of someone who is psychologically ill or, to paraphrase Rush Limbaugh, a morally skanky person who loves the penis.

How much? A twelve pack of condoms (on the internet) cost $9 dollars. If you take Flukes claim at face value, she needs $3000 worth of contraceptives in a year. Divide $3000 by $9 and multiply by 12. That gives you 4000 condoms. Divide that by 365 days. That means Fluke is getting nailed almost 11 times a day, every day. Now, we can all agree that she has a “special” time of the month when she probably does not feel up to getting “fluked.” Right? So that means she is getting laid more that a carpet at a rug store.

Come to think of it, is that level of sexual activity normal? Or is it more associated with a prostitute or a slut?

Am I “flucked” up? What do you think?

  • AnitaFinlay

    Someone attached a link of this post to one of mine the other day.  I did not see it when it was first posted, likely due to caring for a hospitalized parent at the time, but many days late and many dollars short, I feel compelled to comment…whatever joke Larry is efforting to make, I don’t appreciate ridiculing Fluke (even though he is ridiculing the idiot media at the same time), particularly not for her name or doing what appears to be “slut shaming.” 

    No matter what Ms. Fluke’s story is, a woman winds up getting the worst of it when in the media’s crosshairs or in those of her critics.

    There are always civil ways to take someone to task if you disagree with them, or think they are ‘full of it.’  Just as I don’t appreciate when people on this blog are uncivil with me, I would have appreciated a more civil tone to this post.   

  • respectfulguest

    Have you ever seen one of those shiny, flashy lures you use when fishing?  They move and glimmer.  They make a sound going through the water.  They say ‘here I am, and I’m gonna taste real good’.  If that doesn’t work, sometimes a scent is added to get the fish’s attention.

    Fluke is just bait.  That high cost estimate and her unlikely testimony is just some flashy  lure.  Hmmm.  Need something else to get attention?  Let’s pronounce her name “Fluck” and someone won’t be able to resist commenting on that.

    Poor  Miss Fluke.  She likes getting used a lot.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W6RLFUOLWP23SJ5RQHENEPHKME David L

    Isn’t a fluke a parasitic worm ????   Sounds like she has been named correctly !!

  • TeakWoodKite

    The part I don’t LJ is that it is a Jesuit University she attends. Has she no respect for the values of  the institution she was ACCEPTED at? Perhaps the fluke got plucked one too many times…oh one other thing Condoms should be traded on the comodities market…oh wait! they are…BO is the perfect example mistaking them for pig skins…..

  • http://twitter.com/Mumphrey333 Upshur Whittock

    And I”d also like to point out that Raymond Luxury-Yacht pronounced his last name “Throatwobbler-Mangrove”.  People get to choose how they say their own names, not you.

  • Anonymous

    I had to laugh hard at the name pronunciation rant.  Larry, you are a humorous guy.

    Alas,condoms are not the contraceptive of choice–I am sure she was referring to the pill, and that needs to be taken most days of the month (depending).  She was also referring to the full term of law school (3 years) I believe, not just one year.  So that is about 1,000 pills.

    Still that’s a little pricy.  I got a kick out of CNS’s story about how she could have gotten her pills for much less at Walmart, just a few blocks away.   http://cnsnews.com/news/article/sandra-fluke-says-she-didnt-know-target-sells-birth-control-pills-9

  • Anonymous

    LJ,

    I know you were doing your usual snarky commentary on an issue that shouldn’t be an issue but that was foisted on us (and in many ways foisted the progs on their own petards).

    But for the sake of many who might be interested in this (and I am sure you may have done some research also), my first reaction to the way people “in the know” pronounced Ms. Fluke’s sirname was to believe that the name was Germanic in some way.  Since my foreign language education is heavily weighted in German, I though of several German words:  “Flocke” and “Fluch” were first my main suspects.  I had also thought of Flucht (I can’t put any umlauts in with this) which means an escape or flight from, but has that T sound and the umlauted word might mean that English listeners give it a more long I pronunciation.

    Flocke means basically the same as the English flock, as in a flock of wool (or perhaps a ball of fluff–a translation that might really suit Ms. Fluke).

    Fluch mean an anathema, a curse–also a translation that would fit the roll Ms. Fluke has played.

    But then I discovered the possible Dutch connection–especially with the word “vlak” which is sort of like one of our prepositions meanting “low” or like a plane (not airplane).  But in usage it seems to be sort of the way we say “right” as in “right in front of us” (which also suits her, as she seemed to want to be right in front of our faces).

    And finally I discovered a history of a German family name going back to an early immigrant to the U.S.  It’s a name that is derived from “Pflug,” which means “plow.”  It follwed–as is the normal course for sirnames in the U.S. a change in spelling from things like “Fluck” to “Floock” and then to “Fluke.”  (Spelling is always a provlem when going from one language to another in terms of family names.  English tends to keep foreign spelling in most instances for words it assimilates from other languages—a problem for O obviously when he mispronounced “corps” ans in “Marine Corps” as one might pronounce the dead body of ObL (i.e., corpse).

    Whatever the pronunciation of Ms. Fluke’s name and whatever the derivation of it, she and her progressive handlers put her out there for public commentary.

    I am so upset with the idea that ALL women must agree with her position, just as I was and still am upset with the idea  that ALL AAs must be on O’s bandwagon just because he is half-Black.

    I grew up and got through college in the days just before and during the time pills for contraception became available.  As students the idea of “recreational” sex would have been a shocking concept to most of my friends.  Sex was supposed to mean something other than fun and games.  Using contraception was supposed to be a well-thought-out decision between a woman and ONE man.

    I must not be in the cranky, out-of-touch generation because I still believe that graduate students should be working to put themselves through school and STUDYING rather than worrying so much about having recreational sex.

    And as for those who need it for medical problems, I will say this also:
    I do not remember so many young woman having those problems until the use of contraception became so common.  I never even heard the term “endometriosis,” for example, or of a friend or acquaintace suffering from something like it until I was in my late 40s.  And, while no one wants to bring this up, I believe there are some in the medical profession who suspect that it might be caused or exacerbated by the use of contraception.

    What in the world has the world come to when an air-headed young woman suddenly is brought before Congress to give her “opinion” which was, as she has admitted, based on little good research?

  • Anonymous

    I guess the Monty Python gang will have to revise the definition of that most useful word in the English language to include Fluke.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhh7Iu76yUA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

  • Anonymous

    There once was a woman named Fluke
    Whose vagina had run out of luck
    The cost of her pills
    Gave liberals and shills
    The political strength of an eunuch

  • http://www.thecoffeeshopblog.net/ Rose

    And anyone who was listening knows that it was exactly that kind of math that led to Rush calling her a “slut.”  More or less in these words. “If she is doing it three times a day every day for three years, she’s not a law student, she’s a slut.”

    The origin of the term got lost in all the uproar that followed. And of course, he loosed the hounds when he said, further, if he was going to have to pay for it he wanted something in return, how about a video.”

    Madness. We are living in a Mad Hatter world when someone like her, with no credentials, goes before a mock legislative hearing staged for propaganda purposes, and “testifies” to Congress that she could not afford “Contraceptives.”

    When every woman knows that there’s been no problem getting “Contraceptives” (wasn’t it called “The Pill”? Or “Rubbers”?) since at least 1970. And for God’s sake, at every clinic you had to fill out forms, because if your income was not high enough, you got FREE “Contraceptives.”

    Madness. Where in the world is the portal back to our own universe? I am not liking this strange, bizarro world.

    • Anonymous

      “We are living in a Mad Hatter world when someone like her, with no credentials, goes before a mock legislative hearing staged for propaganda purposes, and “testifies” to Congress that she could not afford “Contraceptives.” ”

      Her credentials is that she is a woman who would typically be impacted by the issues of contraception, “religious freedom”, health insurance, etc. Congress all the time calls witnesses that are impacted by legislaton to testify.  

      It is not about access, it is about fair treatment. It is why should women not have their healthcare needs covered by their health insurance, when men in some plans have their Viagra covered.

      The only strange bizarro world is LJ calling Fluke a slut or thinking that she is having all this sex, which is somehow wrong, because she wants the pill paid for by her insurance.

    • Anonymous

      “We are living in a Mad Hatter world when someone like her, with no credentials, goes before a mock legislative hearing staged for propaganda purposes, and “testifies” to Congress that she could not afford “Contraceptives.” ”

      Her credentials is that she is a woman who would typically be impacted by the issues of contraception, “religious freedom”, health insurance, etc. Congress all the time calls witnesses that are impacted by legislaton to testify.  

      It is not about access, it is about fair treatment. It is why should women not have their healthcare needs covered by their health insurance, when men in some plans have their Viagra covered.

      The only strange bizarro world is LJ calling Fluke a slut or thinking that she is having all this sex, which is somehow wrong, because she wants the pill paid for by her insurance.

  • Anonymous

    My question about this whole “Fluke, Fluck” controversy is this?  Couldn’t Nany Pelosi and the dems have found a more “sympathetic” figure to make their case?  Let’s face it although Ms. Fluke is on public assistance she is attending a very expensive, prestigious Catholic law school by “choice”.  Why couldn’t Ms. Pelosi have found some working single mom who is taking night classes at a lesser known, less expensive Catholic college who is not going to become part of the “10 percent” when she graduates but just wants to provide for her children a little bit more than she has and where even and extra $9 or $10 a month for contraceptives at Walmart stretches her already too tight budget.  Surely if Ms. Pelosi stepped out of her “insulated upper-class” bubble she could find these kind of women. Of course these women probably don’t have time for congressional hearings and may be more concerned about filling up their gas tanks so they can get back and forth to jobs, school, the babysitters, and other necessary trips for themselves and their families.

    • Anonymous

      So only poor women or someone not going to college have the right to ask for their healthcare and contraception be covered by their health insurance? To stand up for their rights. Nonsense.

      • CathyInKs

         No PPAA I’m not saying that at all.  I was once upon a time a single mom – not poor but my salary (which was considered good at the time) barely paid for putting food on the table, babysitters, and other essentials such as gas, water, and electricity and this was long before gas prices soared.  My recreational activities centered around freebies or nearly freebies that I could also take my children to.  Of course I had no worry about contraceptives because my social life was non-existent at the time.  It also seems many women I knew  – neighbors, co-workers, at my church were going through similar trying times as single moms.    (BTW I was already a college graduate at the time but I toyed with the idea of going on for a graduate degree – just couldn’t afford more babysitting for night classes so I settled for a “meditation class” where they provided free child care while I “destressed” for about an hour.) 
        Today, I know of many young parents – both “single” and where both parents work.  Most of the young women have nothing in common with Ms. Fluke, other than being the same “sex”.  They’re not expecting someone to give them “designer contraceptives”.  They’re going to places like Planned Parenthood and Walmart which apparently Ms. Fluke and her friends would not be “caught dead” at – probably “too common and vulgar” for their tastes.  So someone else has to pay for their lifestyle choices so they can do whatever they damn well please while the rest of we poor peons foot the bill.

  • Anonymous

    The trolling is getting very distracting, hard to read the real comments.  Why even come to this site, I guess AxelHole is paying the trolls earlier than he did in 2008; lots of disruptions, lots of insulting.

    • Anonymous

      They have taken the insulting to different levels this time around.  As I recall last time “racist” was the prime term used against you if you disagreed with 0zer0 or some of his cool aid drinking followers.

    • Anonymous

       This what happens at spring break.

      • foxyladi14

         coulda went to the beach.  lol

  • Anonymous

    “Am I “flucked” up? What do you think?”

    LOL, oh that’s funny. I’m going to subsitute that word for the one without the L.

  • Anonymous

    “Am I “flucked” up? What do you think?”

    LOL, oh that’s funny. I’m going to subsitute that word for the one without the L.

  • Anonymous

    For anyone still supporting Ricky.

     
    Santorum suggests Obama preferable to ‘Etch-A-Sketch’ Romney

    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-santorum-etch-a-sketch-obama-romney-20120322,0,1519900.story

    Hey Ricky….What about your flip flop from 4 years ago ?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dolly-Cain/100002303813490 Dolly Cain

    Well Fluck me~  

     No brain . Brain dead. Neocon  same as Obamabots.  Both of them put me to sleep.  I’ll count all the promises Obama failed to keep.I want Obama exposed. Nah nah ne na. Rah rah rah.Let me feel the fluck. Help me find the fluck. Every time Obama lies under the sun. Sung to the tune of Spotlight. Protected as parody.Please  repeat any musicians out there..

  • http://twitter.com/Mumphrey333 Upshur Whittock

    Dude, you don’t hear too well, do you?  Her name rhymes with “look”, not “luck”.  And, really, whay does this bother you?  Many people have names than aren’t spoken the way they read.

    Beyond that, though, this is about the most execrable thing I think I’ve seen since the 2008 race.  It’s downright pitiful when people have so much invested in willfully misunderstanding what someone said.  I’d ask whether you even know what she said in her testimony, but the answer would be, of course you did.  You aren’t ignorant about it; you aren’t dumb enough to truthfully misunderstand what she said; you’re just lying.  I’d say you’re twisting her words, only you aren’t even doing that.  You’re stuffing things she never said, or even hinted at, into her mouth wholesale.  You ought to be ashamed, only I’d be amazed if you have any shame.  You truly suck.

    • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

      You’re a disgrace to Upshurs every where.  The original pronunciation is, “Upyours”.  

      • http://twitter.com/Mumphrey333 Upshur Whittock

        If you knew anything about Upshurs, you’d know there’s no way to disgrace us.  We’re born disgraced.  And as for the pronunciation, historically, it was normally pronounced the way it looks, “Upshur”, though it was spelled Upshire or Upsher or Upshur 4 or 500 years back.  “Upyours” was, and still is, an accepted alternate pronunciation, though.

        • Anonymous

             I suppose the libs will call this art.

          If any sacred cow whines to YouTube and Facebook, whatever that sacred cow is whining about is immediately taken down. 

          But a song that openly calls for the killing of Rush Limbaugh apparently doesn’t offend YouTube or Facebook, in the least.

          http://www.breitbart.com/Big-H

          • Anonymous

            A scared cow is in the end, still a cow.

    • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

      You’re a disgrace to Upshurs every where.  The original pronunciation is, “Upyours”.  

    • Anonymous

      I guess we can have this discussion when the Speaker is no longer called BONER by the Dems.

  • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

    Will  ”Fluke You!” get you kicked off the air in LA if the caliweirds have their way?

  • Anonymous

    Completely OT, but one of my clients who stays up nights worrying about black boxcars with Japanese-manufactured guillotines just sent me this link.

    http://gulagbound.com/27615/did-obama-assassinate-clinton-delegates/

    This is the pure cyberheroin of the far right, totally uncut by any left leading baby laxative.  If you think that Pierre Gemayel was a lefty, this will be right up your alley.

    • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

      Recently, I saw an internet post with a  list of all the people who have met untimely ends and been associated with the Clintons and the Obamas.  
      It was frightening!

      Get past two and it begins to look like a pattern…

      • Anonymous

        Just add in the Kennedy’s and see what the numbers say.

        • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

          I shudder at the thought.

  • Anonymous

    Boy am I fluking confused….

  • Anonymous

    What happened to……..No glove……No love….?

  • Anonymous

    What happened to……..No glove……No love….?

    • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

      Hide the salami with the wrapper on?  Or maybe that was just at my university…

      • Anonymous

         salami ?   The bots just deal with those little Vienna sausages.

        • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

          LOL!!! 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

    OT — Santorum just endorsed Obama over Romney today. I’ve been saying for a while that he was working to re-elect Obama, so I’m not surprised in the least. 

    http://hotair.com/archives/2012/03/22/santorum-maybe-americas-better-off-with-obama-than-taking-a-risk-on-an-etch-a-sketch-candidate/

    • Anonymous

       If he thinks that, why doesn’t he cease campaigning. He can’t beat Mitt and seems to think that Obama can. So he should step aside and let the chips fall where they may.

    • Anonymous

       There is something seriously wrong with Santorum.  The man should be drummed out of his party and left to himself in order to ponder his own stupidity.  He is hurting the Republican chances of ousting the no-nothing we currently have in the White House.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Saxon/500073609 Ryan Saxon

    Larry Johnson continues to prove day in and day out he is a racist, misogynistic creep.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Saxon/500073609 Ryan Saxon

      Here’s good old Larry further down the comments proving that literally nobody in America should listen to him:

      “She obviously pulled that figure from her overused vagina. “

      • Anonymous

        Larry does at times have an unusual or uncommon way of expressing doesn’t he?  And oftentimes his manner of expression generates some interesting discussions.  Wonder if maybe he plans it that way?  Don’t know, but do know that if I don’t like a particular blog I just don’t go there anymore.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Saxon/500073609 Ryan Saxon

          Sadly, there is nothing unusual or uncommon about misogyny and racism.

  • Anonymous

    This post is a new low, by the way. Jesus Christ. 

  • Anonymous

    when she went before a democratic made up panel after being told you do not have the expertise needed to be a witness on the real panel. My first thought was ” honey  you are a con  artist and not a good one”
    The real panel was not on who gets free birth control but was about the government crossing the line into religious beliefs.
    The dems did a good job of obfuscating the true subject and she went along for the ride.
    Did it blow up in her face?? Maybe that is just what she wanted

    • Anonymous

      You have no idea what you are talking about. Did you even listen to the testimony of that all male panel? Do you have any idea what was discussed?

      Contraception was continually discussed. Women have a right to be heard in any discussion involving so-called religious freedom, contraception and women’s healthcare insurance coverage. Who gets to decide who is qualified? A morom like Issa?

      • Anonymous

        “A morom like Issa?”

        Here we go!!! Another typical left wing friggin bigot.

        Who do you want to decide? The arrogant socialist parked in the oval office and his death panels?

        • Anonymous

          ???

          • Anonymous

            Convenient edit.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/355NZSQ5KXLSGEJARE6XIFIPRE Anonymous

    All I have to say is get the fluke outa here…

  • Anonymous

    No you are PLUCKED up

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

    Fluke (or one of her ancestors) wouldn’t be the first person with a bad sounding last name who altered the regular pronunciation.  I went to school with a girl whose last name was Gross but she pronounced it “graahs.” You kind of can’t blame them & since it is *their* last names, you kind of have to go with it, IMO.

    • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

      Fuchs comes to mind.  Or how about Barfus…or a classic, Balls.

      Yep, they all twisted the pronunciation.

    • Anonymous

      What was that Brit sit-com where Mrs. Bucket insisted on her name being pronounced “bouquet?”

  • Anonymous

    I was also perplexed by the pronunciation of Ms Fluke’s name. Even a cluck like myself doesn’t understand how fluke doesn’t rhyme with cuke instead of pluck.

    She needs to take some math classes because she doesn’t seem to be able to things add up. Either that or she’s the stupidest consumer on the planet.

    She had an agenda. She has now gotten more attention than she was worth. Fluke? I just don’t give a phuck.

    • respectfulguest

      One more ripple of attention for her.  The MSM is happy to oblige. 

  • Anonymous

    ” I don’t get how a girl attending one of the priciest law schools in America has time to “fluke” around and engage in consensual sex with a frequency that requires, per her calculus, more than $3000 worth of contraceptives. That level of sexual activity is indicative of someone who is psychologically ill or, to paraphrase Rush Limbaugh, a morally skanky person who loves the penis.”

    You are joking? You are putting your foot in your mouth just like Limbo….

    Why don’t you actually listen to the 11 minutes of Fluke testimony before you comment? You have no idea what you are talking about.

    Listen to it here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlRC0nsjtKQ

    First of all, Fluke was talking about the medical benefits of taking the pill. I suggest you look up why many women take the pill and it has nothing to do with contraception. Try looking up: “endometriosis”.

    Second, you do not take the pill when you are having sex. You take the pill continueously. The cost of your contraception regarding the pill does not go up and down by the amount of sex you are having.

    All Fluke was talking about was that women should be able to have their contraception or reproductive healthcare covered by health insurance. By the way many health insurance plans will cover Viagra.

    “Come to think of it, is that level of sexual activity normal? Or is it more associated with a prostitute or a slut?”

    Why would any woman want to come to this NQ website with that kind of comment? You sound just like Limbaugh. You are essentially calling all women “sluts” because they want their reproductive healthcare covered by their health insurance, which they pay for through premiums. You really put your foot into it this time.

    Now lets watch your fan club try and defend these comments.

    • Anonymous

      Actually, if you read the HHS directive it’s all about “free access” to contraceptive care. Funny, people taking medicine for things like high blood pressure, asthma, COPD, organ rejection medicine, all medicines and services they need to stay ALIVE, but God forbid if an insurer wants Fluke’s friend to make a $5 co-pay.

      • Anonymous

        Another off topic Boogie comment. Who was talking about co-pays? Not Fluke.

        However, by the time Fluke was talking, the discussion was a broader discussion because of the Blunt bill. The GOP wants to give employers the right to eliminate contraception or any medical service or treatment from the health insurance they provide their employees.

        With regard to the broader discussion, I have not heard of anyone saying they would not be willing to make co-pays related to health insurance and contraception. You already have to make co-pays with all healthcare plans.

        In terms of the exemption given to religious organizations and the requirement by insurance companies to give contraception coverage for “free” to those being insured by religious institutions that do not want to cover contraception, sure it might be “free”, but it is actually to the economic benefit of those insurance companies and their premium payers. It is cheaper for insurance companies to give away free contraception than to pay for all those unwanted pregnancies. And the funny thing is the more contraception the less abortions.

        I also bet that those being given “free” contraception by their insurance companies because their religious employer does not want to cover it would be willing to pay a “co-pay”.

        The GOP and LJ can throw in with Limbo and conservative Catholic clergy, but whatever is gained in the Catholic Vote will be overwhelmingly lost in the woman’s vote. Keep digging that hole. Keep talking contraception.

        What is the most clear is that the Catholic Church was not able to convince their followers to not use contraception, given 98% of Catholic women have used contraction, so now they want to use government to try and restrict contraception use for women. They counld not do it themself, so now they want to use government.

        • Anonymous

          “I have not heard of anyone saying they would not be willing to make co-pays related to health insurance and contraception”

          How about the socialist in the oval office. “Free” means “free” – no money – no co-pay.

          As far as woman working for religious organizations, they have a right to work elsewhere – but the federal government has no right to subvert religious institutions.

          • Anonymous

            You really have a reading comprehension problem. As I say above, with regard to the broader issue now being proposed by the Blunt Bill (do you even know what that Bill is?) there is no one saying they will not make co-pays? It is only religious exemptions where the “free” comes in. Do you understand the difference?

            “As far as woman working for religious organizations, they have a right to work elsewhere – but the federal government has no right to subvert religious institutions.”

            And if religious institutions do not want to work within the rules faced by all insurance companies then they do not have to sell health insurance. Remember it is the Catholic Church asking for the exemption. They are the ones asking for a subversion of government or minimum government standards and policies. Keep your religion out of my government.

            • Anonymous

              No you can’t rewrite what the administration wants – “free” – that means no co-pays.

    • Anonymous

      First of all, Fluke was talking about the medical benefits of taking the
      pill. I suggest you look up why many women take the pill and it has
      nothing to do with contraception. Try looking up: “endometriosis”.
      ————

      From Fluke’s own testimony…

      “These denials of contraceptive coverage impact real people. In the worst
      cases, women who need this medication for other medical reasons suffer
      dire consequences. A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian
      syndrome and has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from
      growing on her ovaries. Her prescription is technically covered by
      Georgetown insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy.”

      Wait, did you catch that?

      “Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy”.

      • Anonymous

        Your cut off of her testimony is a bit convenient.  Here is what you left off…

        **“Unfortunately, under many religious institutions and insurance plans, it wouldn’t be. There would be no exception for other medical needs. And under Sen. Blunt’s amendment, Sen. Rubio’s bill or Rep. Fortenberry’s bill there’s no requirement that such an exception be made for these medical needs.

        “When this exception does exist, these exceptions don’t accomplish their well-intended goals because when you let university administrators or other employers rather than women and their doctors dictate whose medical needs are legitimate and whose are not, women’s health takes a back seat to a bureaucracy focused on policing her body.”

        “In 65% of the cases at our school, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they needed prescription and whether they were lying about their symptoms.“For my friend and 20% of the women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription. Despite verifications of her illness from her doctor, her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted birth control to prevent pregnancy. She’s gay. So clearly polycystic ovarian syndrome was a much more urgent concern than accidental pregnancy for her.”

        “After months paying over $100 out-of-pocket, she just couldn’t afford her medication anymore, and she had to stop taking it.”**

        • Anonymous

          Wait, I thought she was there to give testimony on Georgetowns policy, now she’s an expert of on the health plans of all religious institutions?

          How would she even know of such a thing? I don’t know the details of what’s in my neighbor’s health plan and coverage. Yet she knows about the non-pregnancy preventative contraceptive services and coverage offered or not offered to every religious institution.

          • Anonymous

            Really good point ObamaDubya. I only worked for one insurance company at a time but even in very small claims offices, I might handle anywhere from as little as 15 to 50 different plans.

            • Anonymous

              No Boogie makes a very stupid point.

          • Anonymous

            Again you show your ignorance on what Fluke even said and why she was brought in to testify.

            She was giving a young woman’s perspective on how important and valuable it would be to have health insurance cover contraception, particularly as a woman’s health issue.

        • Anonymous

          I’m finding Ms. Fluke’s figures a little difficult to believe.  It’s been years since I paid Accident and health group health insurance claims but when I did “no contraceptives” were covered if they were used as “contraceptives”.  However if a covered person was taking “contraceptives” for a medical condition such as polycystic ovaries and there was a physician’s statement on file stating this, every plan I worked with (and I worked with hundreds of them) covered the contraceptives because they were being taken primarily for a medical condition. This has been over 30 years ago.  I cannot imagine the same would not hold true today Catholic institution or not.  Perhaps Ms. Fluke and her friend don’t understand the difference between “covered expenses” vs. what might actually be “payable”.  Or perhaps the insurer doesn’t have a signed physician’s statement on file verifying that in fact the claimant does have said medical condition and that she needs to take the contraceptives for the treatment of her medical condition.

      • Anonymous

        From Fluke’s testimony..

        “One student told us that she knew birth control wasn’t covered, and she
        assumed that’s how Georgetown’s insurance handled all of women’s sexual
        healthcare, so when she was raped, she didn’t go to the doctor even to
        be examined or tested for sexually transmitted infections because she
        thought insurance wasn’t going to cover something like that, something
        that was related to a woman’s reproductive health.”

        Wow. So reporting an aggravated sexual assault to the POLICE isn’t/wasn’t an option? Really? We’re really to believe this? So, if she had coverage for the birth control pill she would have went to the doctor’s after being raped? But not report it? Why does reporting a rape contingent on the fact of having birth control coverage? She does realize that states allocate funds to rape victims for medical expenses related to their sexual assault, right?

        • Anonymous

          So in your world if she doesn’t feel able to report the rape to police, she shouldn’t be able to get medical care thru her insurance?

          And if a person gets beat up they shouldn’t be able to get the medical care they need unless they report it to the police?  

          Seriously?

          • Anonymous

            Ummm…nooooo..I think she should have went to the police to report the
            assault so the scumbag can spend a few years behind bars in a state pen.
            Contraception should have nothing to do with whether someone should or
            should not report an aggravated sexual assault. As I noted, states
            provide funds for rape victims.

            Perhaps with a physical description they could have caught the guy? Is
            this person a possible serial rapist? Who knows, Fluke doesn’t say. Only
            that it’s our duty as a nation to make sure this victim has birth
            control pills.

            But this is the absurdity of this debate. It’s actually more important
            for this person to have contraceptive coverage than what should be a
            reasonable and logical question, why didn’t she report the rape?

            Or perhaps like the $3000 figure, this is another story she pulled out of her ass. Legally I believe it’s called “heresay”.

            • Anonymous

              You are so very confused. Stop commenting. You are making yourself look like an idiot.

            • Anonymous

              Agreeing with you again ObamaDubya.  It looks like Ms. Fluke likes to shall we say “fabricate”.  Her stats and her stories lack credibility. I have never been raped but years ago I was assaulted.  Fortunately I wasn’t seriously injured although saw stars out of one eye for about 30 minutes.  The first thing I did was report this incident to the police because this happened in a park across from our home and I didn’t want something worse happening to another woman or God forbid – a child!  The second thing I did was go to a hospital emergency room to make certain the orbit of my eye wasn’t fractured because I was slugged extremely hard in my left eye.  I was extremely upset.  The last thing on my mind was how I was going to pay for the medical bills.

        • Anonymous

          You are always so confused in your replies.
          Where did Fluke say anything about the Police and not reporting the rape? Can you read? She was talking about not going to the Doctor to get checked fo VD because the woman likely could not afford to pay out of pocket for it.

          • Anonymous

            Dude, if she was raped states provide funds for medical costs at no charge.

            http://www.rainn.org/public-policy/legal-resources/compensation-for-rape-survivors 

            Once again, it’s easier to get caught up with the “War on Women” hysteria than to be reasonable and logical.

            • Anonymous

              Another strange reply from you. You always completely change the topic and can never address the issue at hand. You continueously create strawmen.
               
              You make the claim that Fluke said that in her example that the woman did not contact the Police about a rape. That statement by you is completely false. You are either lying or are just stupid. Nowhere in anything Fluke said did she say the woman did not report the crime to the police. You even went out of your way to bold POLICE.

              And now you reply with some comment about how States MAY cover some costs related to rape, which has nothing to do with your BS claim that she did not contact police. For the sake of argument, I even read you link and it says nothing about covering the cost for being tested for VD. It is very understandable that a woman would be concerned about her health insurance that is not covering the costs of VD testing, if it was not covering contraception. However, this has nothing to do with whether she went to the Police or not. As usual you are very confused.  

              • Kickhimtothekerb

                Ha, ha, ha…..ALL your replies are strange

            • Anonymous

              Another strange reply from you. You always completely change the topic and can never address the issue at hand. You continueously create strawmen.
               
              You make the claim that Fluke said that in her example that the woman did not contact the Police about a rape. That statement by you is completely false. You are either lying or are just stupid. Nowhere in anything Fluke said did she say the woman did not report the crime to the police. You even went out of your way to bold POLICE.

              And now you reply with some comment about how States MAY cover some costs related to rape, which has nothing to do with your BS claim that she did not contact police. For the sake of argument, I even read you link and it says nothing about covering the cost for being tested for VD. It is very understandable that a woman would be concerned about her health insurance that is not covering the costs of VD testing, if it was not covering contraception. However, this has nothing to do with whether she went to the Police or not. As usual you are very confused.  

      • Anonymous

        What is your point?

        And if the GOP and the Catholic Church has their way, it will not be covered by health insurance at Georgetown.

        But, that is just Georgetown. Fluke was talking for all women and not only with regard to women who work for religious institutions, given the the Blunt bill was potentially going to help restrict contraception in any health insurance provided by any employer.

    • Anonymous

      Please understand endometriosis can be treated with the pill but about 50% of the time it is contraindicated–infact the pills can cause the endometriosis to grow out of control–to the point of life threatening conditions like liver failure.

      The pill is given out like candy without regard to its impact.  We are giving it to 12 & 13 year old girls to avoid zits, without regard to the impact on developing reproductive systems.

      The Pill is not a necessary medicine except in the most limited of circumstances. It is not healthcare.  It is an optional medication just as a face lift is optional.

      I should not have to pay for her meds nor should you.  I pay for my own meds (I have no insurance thanks to Obamacare expense and Pelosi’s waivers).

      Ms. Fluke is a taker not a team player. Rush Limbaugh stepped in a trap set by the DEMS. This is a NON-Issue.

      There is no war on women. That is a smoke and mirrors game of semantics.

      • Anonymous

        “I should not have to pay for her meds nor should you.”

        Fortunately for your oh-so-sincere fiscal concerns, studies have found that every dollar spend on birth control saves four dollars in costs associated with unintended pregnancy. 

        So actually, federally-funded birth control SAVES the taxpayers money that would otherwise be spent via Medicaid.

        Give the great sincerity of your fiscal conservatism, no doubt this information will inspire you to change your position on this issue. Right?

        • Anonymous

          Problem is, this is true for almost every condition.

          I have asthma and I use alburterol. It’s cheap and effective, saves me unneeded trips to the emergency room, ambulance rides, expense ER services, if it’s really bad you can have a tube put down your lungs to aid breathing, then there’s the lost time at work, the follow up appointments, etc. All of which is expensive.

          So, where’s my free inhalers? If I don’t have them, I can very well die. You’re not advocating that Fluke’s vagina is more important than keeping an asthmatic out of the hospital and alive, are you?

          Or how about organ rejection medicine for transplant receipients? There’s a real case where not taking those meds means organ rejection and immediate death. Yet I don’t hear calls for free rejection medicine for transplant recipients. Is Sandra Fluke’s vagina more important than them too?

          • Anonymous

            I’m for single payer, bud. So take your straw men elsewhere; I’m for federally funded preventive care across the damn board.

            And until we get that, I’m for whatever bits and pieces we can get. Birth control is one of them.

            • Anonymous

              I’ll take that as a “yes, Sandra Fluke’s vagina is more important than an organ transplant recipient receiving the needed drugs to keep them alive.”

              • Anonymous

                Incorrect, and also pretty stupid of you. And for the record, I’m not getting into discussion of Sandra Fluke personally; that whole angle on this is simply repulsive, and you should be ashamed of yourself.

                As a matter of public health, I would bet — although I’m not certain either way — that reproductive health is a “bigger” deal than organ transplants. On an individual level, an organ transplant certainly seems more important.

                But it doesn’t really matter. On either issue, I am in favor of federal funding for preventive care. It’s not zero sum; I’m not in favor of one “over” the other, I’m in favor of one AND the other. We should do both. If we aren’t doing both, I’m glad we’re at least doing one.

                Run along now.

                • Anonymous

                  HAha, PWNED!

                  • Anonymous

                    Kid… someday you’re going to look back on yourself with shame. That’s all.

              • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

                Our only hope is that they give Ms. Fluke, Fluk, Flock, Fluffy her BC so that she won’t spawn any more mini mes such as herself.

            • Anonymous

              “I’m for federally funded preventive care across the damn board.

              And until we get that, I’m for whatever bits and pieces we can get.
              Birth control is one of them.”
              Strangely, I agree with you for once.
              As for the rest of this discussion, I will not attack Ms. Fluke in any way for her opinions.
               

          • Anonymous

            What a ridiculous and stupid response as usual from you?
             
            Inhalers and organ rejection medicine are often covered by health insurance. Tons of preventive care is covered by insurance companies and increasingly more preventative care is covered by insurance companies.

            Why should contraception be any different, particularly if it is going to save a ton of money in unwanted pregancy costs and prevent many abortions?

            • Anonymous

              http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2012pres/01/20120120a.html

              In August 2011, the Department of Health and Human Services issued an
              interim final rule that will require most health insurance plans to
              cover preventive services for women including recommended contraceptive
              services WITHOUT CHARGING A CO-PAY, CO-INSURANCE OR A DEDUCTABLE. 

              ———
              Prove that this mandate is allotted to any other condition or group.

              • Anonymous

                What is your point?

                All other services are mandated in the minimum healthcare insurance requirements set-out by healthcare reform. What do you think this whole bruhaha is all about? This carve-out is only required because a religious organization wants it to be carved out. 

      • Anonymous

        “Ms. Fluke is a taker not a team player. Rush Limbaugh stepped in a trap set by the Democrats.”

        Yeah, that is the easy way to make excuses for Limbo.  Blame the Democrats.

        Do you even have any idea about the events that transpired?

        The Catholic Church made this an issue by asking the government for an exemption from health insurance regulation. The Republicans made it an issue, by publicly getting out there and making a big deal out of the exemption that was granted to religious institutions. It was the GOP who made it political. It was Limbo who made it a big issue.

        As I say below, the Catholic Church failed in its attempt to convince its followers to not use contraception, as 98% of Catholic women have used contraception, so now they want to use the government to restrict their followers from being able to get contraception or having it covered for them in their health insurance plans. Shame on the Catholic Church and these political Bishops and shame on the GOP. If the Catholic Church really cared about health insurance covering contraception then why have they not put up a fuss in the States that require contraception to be covered by health insurance or why do they not care about public health insurance systems in France or Italy covering contraception?

    • respectfulguest

      I don’t see how you manage to fool yourself with this wimpy line of reasoning. 

  • Anonymous

    Larry,

    Perhaps the guys that Sandra is flucking don’t like to wear condoms.  She certainly doesn’t appear to be the type of woman that would say, “Put on this raincoat or hit the road, Jack” on a cold Washington night after a guy has picked her up at a Georgetown watering hole and pumped $100 plus worth of drinks into her.

    That could explain the need for more expensive contraceptives.  Of course those types of contraceptives don’t protect against STDs, but STDs are covered at taxpayer expense, so no problem.

    Your analysis is really slipping, compadre.  Don’t you remember what it was like to be a young, single, horny CT prowling Georgetown and whipping out your badge to clinch the recruitment on a likely developmental?

    • Anonymous

      Another degrading comment to women from I am sure an old guy who seems to have a problem with women standing up for their rights. You really represent the worst of this country. With comments like this why would any woman want to come to NQ.

      How about admiring the fact that this woman has the guts to stand-up for women across America? To put herself out there.

      I doubt anything you did in your career in SPOnaj when you were wasting all those taxpayer dollars comes close to what this woman has done. What will you be remember for?

      • Anonymous

        Hey, I think that I really got to the little pissant!  He sounds madder than a Republican protesting Bill Maher’s misogyny.  Kid, you are clearly frustrated.  Perhaps a massage with a happy ending might help.  Or, if you can’t afford a massage, just give yourself a happy ending.  It’s what got me through many a cold, lonely night on static surveillance during my early years of SPOnaj;)

        • Anonymous

          You are a funny guy. Thank god you are retired and I no longer have to pay your salary, although I am sure you have a nice retirement package. I am sure you deserved it.

          • Anonymous

            Actually, she’s a licensed massage therapist, and a pretty good one, at that.  Her favorite video on the topic is:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btheeIEDIrE

            • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

              Ah, the UID* is a KIA*

              * Useful Idiot Drone
              * Know It All

              Must be getting spring break pay from Axelhole while at the Odummer Camp for Political Indoctrination.

            • Anonymous

              And who is calling who “kid” here. You lost too many brain cells in your career.

              • Anonymous

                Please note that PPAA is now totally defensive, reduced to feckless ad hominem attacks.

  • Anonymous

    Fluke wasn’t discussing her coverage, nor yearly coverage for contraceptives…

    “Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school. For a lot of students who, like me, are on public interest scholarships, that’s practically an entire summer’s salary. 40% of the female students at Georgetown Law reported to us that they struggle financially as a result of this policy.”

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

       Okay, spread the sexual activity out over three years, vice one.  That’s still the equivalent of almost four condoms a day.  Who does that?  Seriously.  Who does that?

      • Anonymous

        Condoms aren’t the only form of contraception used or required for a variety of health reasons.     

        • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

           Understood.  Let’s look at an alternative.  OK, per Planned Parenthood, the cost of birth control pills ranges $15 to $50.  Let’s split the difference and call it $30 a month.  Times 12?  $360 x 3 years?  $1080.  Flukes math is totally flucked up.  She obviously pulled that figure from her overused vagina.  Reality more likely is that she is chaste and barely sexually active.  I just hate scams..

          • Anonymous

            And some brands cost $90 a month (90x12x3 = 3,240). And not all brands work without side effects for everybody, so some women really ARE stuck with the top shelf brands.

            Again: the pill is not the same as condoms.

          • Anonymous

            What the “F” are you talking about?

            Do you even know what Fluke said? She mentioned that for some women contraception can cost UP TO $3,000.

            “She obviously pulled that figure from her overused vagina.”

            Do you understand that taking the pill for either health reasons or for contraception has nothing to do with the amount of sex you have?

            You are terrible. A new low on NQ. What does Ani and Rev Amy think about these comments? They claim to be Hillary Clinton feminists. You really feel good about broadcasting this garbarge out to the world.

            • Anonymous

              “She mentioned that for some women contraception can cost UP TO $3,000″

              That’s his point idiot. Either she is making up numbers or women who spend that much money have to be fornicating at a Guinness World Record rate.

              So which is it? Likely it is more of the same old lies that Liberals love to spread thinking that the rest of us are morons.

              • Anonymous

                You’re not very smart, and/or you don’t understand how the pill works at all. I’m going to guess both.

                The frequency of sexual activity has NOTHING — literally nothing — to do with its cost of birth control. The pill isn’t a condom.

                I mean… you guys are just aggressively stupid with this stuff.

              • Anonymous

                You are a complete idiot.

                I am sure that you know that you do not have to take the pill every time you have sex. You take it continueously and pay the total cost no matter how much sex you have.

                Contraception for someone can cost up to $3,000. And as Fluke also says it can cost about $100 a month.

                As usual you NQbots in your hatred of Obama and anyone who stands up to your BS really do not even take the time to know exactly what you are even arguing about. You just make stuff up. Did you even watch or listen to or read Fluke’s 11 minutes of testimony? Do you even have a clue what she said?

                It is disgusting that you are even trying to defend LJ and is terrible comments.

      • Anonymous

        Much like this chick’s first reported age, it turns out the “$3000″ was some BS figure for something like non-generic hormone pills that somehow Fluke’s friend couldn’t find at a Target, and Fluke then used the absolutely highest price possible…more likely though she just pulled it out of her ass.

        I was figuring it out to be 3.91 condoms per day, but Larry obviously knows a better deal on rubbers than I do ;-P

      • Anonymous

         Actually, you can use more than 4 condoms a day.  I once used a whole pack of 25 in one afternoon. Of course, I wasn’t using them as condoms, I was using them as water balloons. Very effective, especially when the people you drop them on look at them and think the congealed lube and spermicide is.. well.. you know.. and that they were used before filling. That really freaks them out.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

       One other point.  Do law school students buy one Starbuck’s per day?  That’s $1642 dollars and change isn’t it.  That’s called a luxury, not a necessity.  Similarly, a level of sexual activity that requires $3000 worth of condoms spread out over three years is a lifestyle choice, not a necessity.  I’d like to be a member of Augusta’s Golf Club, but just because it is something I want and would like to do does not mean I get it or that you should pay for it.  However, if you do want to pony up the bucks (or is it “blukes?”) I will happily accept.

      • Anonymous

        The “level of sexual activity required” is in fact zero. Women take birth control pills for many medical reasons other than contraception. 

        And even with respect to its contraceptive effects, it needs to be taken continuously, nearly every day, to work — it’s not like a condom, where you consume one unit a pop (pun intended).

        • Anonymous

          The point being, a woman could have sex only once a month, and still require daily birth control even if she’s taking it solely for its contraceptive effects.