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Economic/Market Highlights 11/20 … D-E-L-E-V-E-R-I-N-G !!

There were major forced liquidations on the parts of hedge funds, asset managers, and insurance companies that went through the markets Thursday. Laszlo Birinyi, a noted market tactician whom I follow quite closely, indicated today that given the market price action that making investment decisions now is “strictly guesswork”.

Equity markets traded down another 5.5% to 6.5% Thursday with much of that selloff occurring in the last hour which is an indication that orders from asset managers and mutual funds built into the close. The delevering process (the selling of assets purchased with borrowed money) continues!! Volume on the NYSE was 8.8bln shares, 44% above average. Clearly a strong indication of massive liquidations. Oil and copper were down 6% and 4% respectively given continued expectations of economic weakness. When does OPEC come out and announce aggressive cuts in production?

Government bonds rallied by 30basis points in the 10yr (a huge move) in a “flight to safety” trade.

While the safest bonds rallied, bonds with a risk component (high grade corporates, mortgage-backed bonds, high yield) either did not move or in the case of high yield traded down in sync with equities.

Check out more about rates for corporate bonds on this piece from Harvard economist, Greg Mankiw. Corporations are and will be hard pressed to finance their operations at these higher rates which will further depress growth prospects for our economy.

Here is Greg Mankiw’s blog.

I have been talking about a trading range of 7500 to 9500 on the Dow so for those who have dry powder and nerves of steel, I can prudently recommend putting a small percentage of that cash to work. Keep the bulk of the powder dry because I think there will be more opportunities at even cheaper levels.


Economic Indicators

A manufacturing index known as the Philadelphia Fed Manufacturing Index dropped to a level not seen in 18yrs.

Leading Economic Indicators showed a decline of .8 …U-G-L-Y…

Expectations by leading retailers is for a holiday season that is flat to +1% vs 2007. A normal holiday season shows an increase of 4-5%. Flat is U-G-L-Y…but given this economy that may be pretty!!

Hedge Funds/Asset Managers
In speaking with a close friend at an asset manager this afternoon, he shared that his fund is expecting a 20% redemption this year for a fund that is only down 10% on the year. That level of redemption is twice what they expected and this is for a stellar fund. This indicates to me that the “baby is being thrown out with the bath water” but also indicates that investors NEED liquidity so they will go wherever they can get it.

If they are seeing redemptions twice expectations, I am sure that other funds will see at least that if not more. These redemptions are why we see markets trade off sharply into the close.

Another very interesting observation about hedge funds that shows the level of distress is the fact that a secondary market has developed that is trading hedge fund participations. I will try to keep this as simple as possible. Say that you had 10k in a hedge fund and wanted to get liquidity. There are investors in these hedge funds who are willing to sell their participation at a significant discount to the fund’s supposed NAV. This occurs in closed end funds but has not occurred prior to this meltdown in the hedge fund world. Another indication of a NEED for liquidity.

Auto Situation
Make no mistake in the midst of this enormously stressful economic situation there is a LOT of politics being played.

Congressional leaders, Reid and Pelosi, informed the markets and the CEOs of the Big 3 (isn’t that a misnomer now) that those CEOS should go back to Detroit, work at developing sustainable and viable business plans in the midst of this tsunami and then come back to Washington (but not on their private jets….coming to Washington on private jets looking for a bailout is not a good move…what were they thinking??) in early December. Congress will reconvene for an emergency session in early December to address.

Reid did offer that if President Bush wants to use any of the funds from the already approved TARP then he should feel totally authorized to do that. Clearly that is a political move on Reid’s part to put pressure on the Republicand and the administration. The Republicans have no problems seeing the Democrats face off against the UAW. The public does not support a check to these companies with little to no teeth. Either through bankruptcy or restructuring, the auto industry in our country will be a much smaller industry with significant job losses and squeezing out of excess capacity. Where it will get very interesting is how the auto companies handle their pension guarantees and payments to retired workers. Will the companies propose an offer of 60cents on the dollar or some reduced number in an attempt to keep the companies viable? This is not easy for all concerned but a business that can’t finance itself and produce a diversified set of products in a profitable fashion is not a business.

Ken Lewis commented today on the need for private capital to come into the mortgage space. He also offered that both lenders and borrowers are equally to blame for “a nation drowning in debt”. He further offered that there will clearly be more consolidation in the banking industry. Thanks, Ken. Tremendous grasp of the obvious but perhaps will help those who have been asleep for the last 24 months.

Company News
Citi closes down another 26% on the day which puts it down app 80% for the year. You know why….embedded losses….!!! We have been highlighting that here at NQ. The status quo is not an option for Citi. They either need to find a merger partner or get a major equity infusion.

Read more about how “Citi Weighs Its Options.”

Freddie Mac announces that they will not exercise any foreclosures on home mortgages that they are holding until January 9th. Very nice of them but on top of that Freddie Mac was delisted yesterday from the NYSE given that its stock has traded below $1 for the last 30 days. How the mighty have fallen.

Keep your head about you as those around you lose theirs….

LD

  • notrees

    30%-40%-50% OFF–shop now and santa will slide down your chiminey (lay away now). Hang on kids, the big one is just around the next corner. Maybe Obama will give everyone 40 acres and a mule for the upcoming depression in commemoration of his beloved(?) Abe. Well maybe I would rather have the mule than a new ford or chevy that you can’t buy parts for anymore (after they sink into oblivian). How long before prices fall so low that the ranchers will begin to kill off their cattle to bring the price of beef back up or the farmers burn their crops (doubtful if OPEC will burn off their excess oil even if you can buy a can of kerosene for a nickle), or, god forebid, WW111 begins? We are in for one helluva rough ride for at least the next few years. America survived the last one to become the most powerful nation EVER on the face of this tormented earth.

  • http://my.wrif.com/mim/?p=916 Canadian4Hillary

    LD, thank you for your articles, very informative & easy to understand.

    These companies need to trim some fat from the top down, get rid of the jets, bonuses/perks. When they make a profit then a small bonus or reinvest it in the company.

  • notrees

    Excellent article LD–thanks.

  • Alex

    World Net Daily has officially taken up the cause of digging up the truth about Obama’s birth certificate! Please go read, DIGG, and sign the petition at World Net Daily:

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81581

    Thanks!

  • LD

    Alex,

    Not sure how Obama’s birth certificate impacts our economy and markets but thanks for sharing.

  • http://my.wrif.com/mim/?p=916 Canadian4Hillary

    Alex, great article on WND , i was wondering what Corsi was up to.

    click my name to listen to WRIF radio Detroit, MI
    interview Kenya Ambassador says O born there. 20mins

  • AnninCA

    I’ve been watching Citi…hard to believe they can’t find a good merger.

    And Romney’s piece on the bailout for the auto industries was strong, given his background.

  • lark

    America survived the last one to become the most powerful nation EVER on the face of this tormented earth

    This time it will not be like that. Survive yes, but not to return at the most powerful nation ever.

  • lark

    Every company from now on should be required to produce a birth certificate with ample information about its owners, mission and directors motives. Those could be incorporated into the Dept of State Corporate data files.

  • notrees

    done

  • wodiej

    thanks for the post. No bailout for auto industry. They have been living high on the hog like alot of companies for quite some time and fleecing the public to do it with high consumer prices. Come back down to earth w the rest of us and after a couple rough years maybe we can get things on a more fair playing field especially w exec pay.

    That takes a hell of a lot of guts for all 3 auto execs to fly to Washington on private jets. Complete and total arrogance. It’s time to bring the hammer down on this greed.

  • http://americasfavoriteterrorist.com/ Gerard McNedich

    OT:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1088188/U-S-embassy-guard-accuses-Obama-doing-deals-terrorists.html

    U.S embassy guard accuses Obama of doing deals with terrorists
    By RASHID RAZAQ
    Last updated at 1:16 PM on 21st November 2008

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    A senior security officer at the US embassy in London is being investigated after accusing Barack Obama of brokering secret deals with terrorists.

    Joe Hubbard, a security supervisor who is in charge of patrolling the Grosvenor Square building, claims the President-elect secured backing from terrorist organisations, including Hamas and Colombian guerilla group FARC, in return for changing US policy.

    In a vitriolic tirade in an online blog, Mr Hubbard, an American, accuses Obama of having a hidden Muslim agenda and claims his election campaign was funded by anonymous Middle eastern contributions from countries which “pose a hostile threat” to America.

    a. hillary
    b. mccain

    america first!

  • lark

    Thanks. In Kenya everyone is sure Obama was born there.

  • notrees

    Unless they want to merge with the European Union conglamorates there most likely aren’t that many good options out there.

  • http://www.patriotroom.com Bill Dupray
  • AnninCA

    BofA?

  • LD

    Gerard,

    Not sure what this has to do with the economy and the markets but thanks for sharing.

  • AnninCA

    This is off-topic and should be posted at an open thread.

  • AnninCA

    Off topic….

  • Alex

    ZOMG! That is incredible! For anyone else who wants to listen (and that should be everyone), the sound bite is at 12:34. Kenyan Ambassador His Excellency Peter Ogego says they will be erecting a monument to Obama in Kenya at Barack’s birthplace! Granted, it may be that Mr. Ogego was just talking out of his hat, and doesn’t really know whether or not BO was born in Kenya. But this tape is still dynamite – I hope someone is saving this to several safe, undisclosed locations, because it will surely be “disappeared” soon! Thanks, C4H – I will be blogging this all over :-) .

  • AnninCA

    Off-topic

  • AnninCA

    LD…..I’m one who pretty much is stuck in the stock market. Losing money fast, but I see no sense in liquidating a portfolio. First of all, I’d get slammed on taxes, since it involves a lot of very long-term blue chip stocks.

    If you are so inclined, I’d love to see some suggestions on personal investment approaches for people.

  • LD

    I will work at developing “model portfolios” for people. Obviously they will ahve to be fairly generic in nature as every individual’s situation is different.

  • MrMike

    Do you think things will get bad enough to shake the public out of it’s complacency and start to demand honest government that doesn’t pander to special interest groups?
    Since the biggest part of the budget is military spending lets start the pruning there.

  • AnninCA

    Of course, I was just wondering where people should think about putting cash right now.

    Let’s say you had $20,000 to play with.

    Where would you put it?

  • MrMike

    If you are a good distance away from retirement you shouldn’t have too much to worry about.
    The big problem will be for people in their late 50′s early 60′s counting on their retirement investments. I think you will be seeing a lot of folks putting retirement off if they can or taking up extra jobs to make ends meet.
    Slightly off topic but if Hillary had been successful back in the 90′s health care expenses would have been one less worry.

  • bemused

    It seems off-topic, and yet–every day I see something like “when it was reported that_(fill in blank with almost any event)_, the market fell/rose.” In other words, the stock markets ought to be rational, but these quick responses indicate otherwise, that rumors have real effects. And I have noticed many days lately where there will be a rise or fall of 100 points in an hour. There’s an element of mystery (and panic?) here that isn’t helping most people understand what’s happening. Maybe that could be a future topic for you–what peripheral things or gut feelings or rules of thumb affect the markets, beyond the more objective reasons for buying and selling.
    Thanks for explaining about the leveraging. I have been noticing also how gold and other metals always go up overnight, in the Asia market, and then usually go down with stocks (or sometimes up with stocks) the next day. In the good old days, usually if gold was up, stocks were down, and vice-versa. I have just been on jury duty, meeting a lot of people I might not otherwise, and from the Postal Service to babysitting, everyone is seeing a crimp in activity.

  • William L. Donlon

    THE MARKETS ARE HEALTHY!
    THE MARKETS ARE DOING EXACTLY WHAT MARKETS DO!

    The World Economy is sick, but the markets are fine.

    The Markets are telling you to get to rehab or your “CAREER” IS OVER.

    The Markets are doing what the Politicians lack the courage to do–

    THE MARKETS ARE “SELF REGULATING”!.

    “Bailouts” are the Addicts attempt to avoid the “Hangover” the “Withdrawal”, the “PAIN” that results from false induced “Highs”

    DOW = 14,400. Bullshit!

    That was a false induced high and the Bailouts are an attempt to sustain it.

    The DOW’s real “Value” is 5,200

    This “World Economy will reset and get on with Business, with you or with out you.

    The “Game” will go on.

    If you wnat to be a “Player” in that future economy, now is the time to go to “rehab” (Chapter 11) Clean youself up and “TRY” to get back in the game.

    No One And Nothing Is “Too Big To Fail!”

    If You Are Seeking Or Giving Bailouts, You Already Have!

    “DENIAL IS A CAREER ENDER!!!

  • AnninCA

    I think, personally, that people are aware today of excessive executive compensation packages. The Big 3′s boo-boo…..private jet to Washington.

    Come on, nitwits. Get a clue!

    Back in the 80s, the executives I worked for had a private jet, private chef, rugs in their offices worth most people’s homes.

    They eventually ripped off every single shareholder in that company and sold out to “Eurotrash.” We came within an inch of being taken over by FSLIC.

    What punishment for them? Nada. When we were “merged out,” they walked out with millions in cash and more in stock options.

    I watched then as Martha Stewart goes to jail over what was it….a 40 grand transaction? (Sexism, guys?)

    It’s theft.

    It’s pure and simple theft.

    And, btw, I used to be one of the people paid to make sure that we wrote executive compensation information in a way that met congress’s mandate for open communication while also making sure only someone like LD could figure it out.

    Hey, it’s a living. Don’t blame me.

    Anyway, I fear the public’s attention will be shortlived. The reality is that these guys are uncontrollable.

    Control them too much? They’ll just take their marbles to Ireland.

  • AnninCA

    5200? Yikes!

    You could be right.

    I agree. The markets will finally adjust to a real value, and America is in for a shock.

    We are a second-tier country.

  • blogforce one

    LD IMHO the structural challenges in our economy cannot be repaired until the debt obligations get reduced substantially. I propose an emergency measure fixing all credit card debt at 2.5% for 5 years and all home mtg debt at 5% for the same time period. this MAY enable consumers to save again. without savings being built up again there is no long term solution, it’s old school economics. People work, then save, and when they have enough saved they buy stuff. Cars houses etc. also there should be a blanket loan modification plan in place for all delinquent mortgagors whereby all delinquent debt is rolled into the principal and the loan becones interest only . American Home Mtg servicing Inc.the sucessor to Option One has been doing just that! what do you think?

  • AnninCA

    I like it. I think the credit card policies today are nothing more than old-fashioned debtor’s prisons.

    It’s ridiculous.

  • notrees

    MRMIKE
    I don’t mean to be arguementative, but if that course had been taken in the last great depression Hitler may very well have ruled the world. Granted there is no one around by the name of Hitler who is ready to take on the world and we are not [yet] in a depression (are we?). But why invite trouble? Russia is in the Carribean and Chavez is salivating at the thought.

  • Sassy

    Thanks L.D. and also for your previous response.
    We have no debt, an emergency cash supply, long term and short term C.D.s, and an annuity.
    Our market investments were in lower risk, less yield funds…of course, they are dropping like a stone now!
    We will have two grand-daughters in college in two years, and had planned major renovations on our 40 year old home.
    Not now!
    Thanks for your reply…misery loves company!

  • LD

    I think that some of the best values are in the following: with the exception of the two bank stocks these other calls are all contrarian plays. The financial stocks (larger banks and brokers remain under pressure as their business models are broken)

    1. Higher quality municipal bonds
    2. A high yield bond fund….contrarian play
    3. Two strong regional banks are Hudson City Bancorp and Cullen Frost. Quality will win out. These banks may end up being purchased.
    4. An oil play such as Schlumberger

    My gut is that if you have 20k to put to work, then put 5-10 of it to work and wait as the markets remain volatile.

  • workingclass artist

    Hmmmm….Thanks LD for another heads up on the market. You are skillful at breaking t down for peons like me who flunked Math but by applying common sense and the study of history…I think I get it. So I heard that Citi was weighing it’s options on th auction block and splitting up to sell off smaller chunks of itself…Wasn’t this part of what regulation was supposed to be about…Not just monopolies but also economic stability so that the fall of a behemouth would have less impact…Were these guys ling to congress about these embedded costs? Maybe I missed that…Hmmmm….Or did congress just lie to us?
    Bt hey they can throw 3 day long colossal binges in Dubai for the elite to open a hotel…Why does this feel like 1929….sheeeesh!

  • wodiej

    that would likely help but there would need to be a freeze on any future borrowing during that time period. No new charges on CC, no new ones opened etc. If borrowers signed up, they would have to also sign a form saying they agree to this and then their SS # would be on alert at credit reporting agencies. If they tried to apply for new credit, it would hit one of these agencies and would come back denied. Some consumers need to learn restraint.

  • blogforce one

    Another thing, all fees and surcharges by banks and credit card companies should be fixed at $5 per fee transaction for a five year period.These fees amount to nothing more than incremental equity looting in order to improve their balance sheets. These charges amount to billions per year.

  • MrMike

    How do no bid contracts ensure national security?
    How does paying for defense systems still in their testing phase and thoroughly unreliable do likewise?

  • LD

    IMO

    If we think that there were excesses in the banking system, then the system that takes the cake in terms of excess is our political system. The two party system with no degree of campaign finance reform has been IMO reduced to a bad joke.

    Our nation is screaming for statesmen and leadership and I see VERY little of it.

    I hope that this economic turmoil brings out some leaders but I always viewed “hope” as a lousy hedge.

  • workingclass artist

    Ehemmm…I apologize for my cheap and tempermental keyboard…scuse’

  • CT girl

    LD:
    All the business commentators on tv say that removing the safeguards from the New Deal is a major part of the problem with the market. Why hasn’t there been any talk about putting them back in place?

  • lark

    The off-topic issue is more taxing to me than anything else. I hate it more than anything else. If people are not allowed to post whatever they wish and these sort of comments are limitations, then I am repulsed by the practice.

  • MrMike

    Also we did did pretty good in that war considering there was no military industrial complex sucking the cash out of our wallets.

  • workingclass artist

    Yeah I heard that on the news this morning…How all the Buy and Hold folks were selling off like crazy but telling others to buy and hold..Shameful…

  • workingclass artist

    Funny how close we came…A lot of Wall St. thought Fascists had good idea…I remember reading about that Wall St. Plot to take down FDR…interesting…

  • LD

    Blogforce….what institutions will offer credit cards and hom e mortgages at those rates? If it is Uncle Sam then we will all underwrite tremendous risk in the process as those rates will incentivise people who aren’t credit worthy to borrow.

    That approach will also crush the profitability of our private banking sytem.

    Youu arew right that people need to reduce debt and save.

    Let the market flush the losses and transfer assets from weak hands to strong ones. It’s painful but it’s the only way.

  • AnninCA

    Well, having been in the financial industry, albeit, I’m not a bean-counter and know virtually nothing about economics, I do know I watched as we waxed and waned on regulations.

    I’m not in favor of Congress imposing regulations.

    They don’t know what they are doing, which is obvious from Freddie and Fannie, which was our tipping point.

    I still think McCain had the right ideas.

  • LD

    Blog…Also most of these assets (cards and homemtsg) ahve been packaged and sold. Contractually it would be very difficult if not impossible for the government to contractually change those securities.

    Investors would run away from these markets “faster than a speeding bullet” which would mean that longer term the rates would actually be even higher.

    Unintended consequence but a likely reality.

  • blogforce one

    perhaps this idea should be applied to current delinquent debt obligations to the aforementioned entities.This is a dire emergency and I just read that there is $37 trillion dollars in U.S. debt obligations… How do we reduce that? the interest is crushing the life out of our economy.

  • lark

    I can appreciate that.

  • LD

    CT girl,

    I am not familiar with exactly what those safeguards are.

    I have not heard these stories. Sorry.

  • blogforce one

    Debt modification is much preferable to outright default which if en masse, closes banks and cc co.s down through forced mergers/liquidations. How are the mtg co.s able to do debt modification- interest only 5% -5 year plans now? They are doing this to save them selves from having non-performing assets on their books. This situation can get much worse with a complete loss of trust in entire banking system.We have to consider thinking outside the box that we are in.

  • LD

    Bemused….I will write more about what is causing this major “volatility” but in short it is all a function of the major unwinding of the leverage that was created over the last 5 yrs.
    This leverage has been displayed in a lot of institutions but primarily the hedge fund community. Hedge funds are structured so that they are VERY ACTIVE traders. They also have employed a lot of leverage in their strategies.

    I will write more in future pieces.

  • Zimeeisme

    I personally do not mind comments OT. Too bad a few of you seem to be so anal about it. Berating people for doing so reminds me of the “know it all” kid in class that everyone wants to tell to shut up.

  • notrees

    OH! Right, they are not a part of that Trading PAC –YET–. Remember? “If You Are Not With Us You Are Against Us”?

  • AnninCA

    *clueless*

    I’m really a dummy in this area.

    I just raised a family off of the financial industry, put two kids through college, wrote speeches for 4 major CEOs.

    But I truly haven’t a clue! LOL*

    Which just goes to show you that it doesn’t take real depth, I guess.

    I honestly haven’t any clue as to what your post is saying.

  • workingclass artist

    Hmmm…America emerged from WWII by basically obliterating the competition…What Hitler didn’t bomb into submission…We did to win the War and then we had the structure intact while it took Europe at least a decade…Ugly but true…

  • AnninCA

    You know, Lark…..what moves me is the writer’s request. They do put effort into their pieces.

    It’s frustrating to have every thread hijacked by the b/c issue. You want a thread on your pet issue? Submit an article!

    But why is it so awful to request that you go to an open thread?

    How does that infringe on you?

    good gravy….

    If you want IM buddies, just sign up! It’s free.

  • LD

    Working…fyi…Citi announced this morning that they will not look to break up the company. The stock is getting punished again this morning and is down another 12% on the day.

    I would expect that there will be some sort of announcement on Citi over the weekend. If they are not going to sell dvisions then they have two other choices.

    1. Sell the bank…doubtful that any domestic firm would buy them. A sale to a foreign entity would be a seminal moment in U.S. banking history. A potential buyer may be HSBC.

    2. If the U.S. government injected another 25bln into them at this point they (meaning all of us as citizens)would have the majority stake. If those shares were actual voting shares then we would have nationalized the 4th largest bank in our country. Radical but in this market nothing is off the table!!

  • AnninCA

    I’m guessing……HSBC.

    We’ll see.

  • workingclass artist

    lol…funny that Z…

  • LD

    You are right. Modifications are preferable to defaults and ahve been done by some banks (BofA, JPM Chase, Citi) but it is MUCH tougher to accomplish for the loans that have been sold.

    Modifying loans helps now but if and when things settle the rates for these products will clearly be higher because investors in these products will not buy them given the risk of modification.

  • AnninCA

    I have no idea what you’re talking about.

    What I do know?

    I used to understand my credit card policies, and then one day, I was clueless.

    They were way weird.

    I just frankly cut them out of my life.

    I can’t imagine living according to what some corporation says.

    Credit ratings?

    Amazing the power they have gained, even though this is ridiculously flawed.

    I’m done with that industry, frankly. I think it’s time they dumped.

  • LD

    Z…to the extent that a forum is developing that is further developing the discussion and conversation, those OT comments add nothing but do detract from the flow of conversation.

    I personally would never berate anybody but as the writer of this column I am merely trying to “elevate” the amount of activity on business, economy, markets on this site.

    There are plenty of other “political” threads or “open” threads for those comments.

    I will always be respectful and I only ask for respect in return as we discuss some fairly important and historic material.

    Thanks.
    LD

  • AnninCA

    I would like to say that I really appreciate the writers who respond to comments about their posts.

    I wouldn’t expect that every time, naturally.

    But it’s nice!

  • hi

    Hadn’t Obama promised to retire her debt? She worked so damn hard to get him elected!

  • hi

    Sorry, I posted under the wrong topic.

  • Pennsylvania Red

    Thank you for that concise and easily understood summary.

  • workingclass artist

    thanks…LD I fell asleep last night listening to talking heads talk about CITI so thanks for the update ( I’m too Po for cable news ).
    So I was listening to the radio ( NPR ) and I listen to the PBS Business report and I am wondering about the impact of falling commodities.
    I know that there are many variables to the rise and fall of these world wide. I had read earlier in the year about a colossal failure in Rice in the Punjab because Agribusiness genetic engineering had failed and this was affecting Grain prices…Ho well do you think the US is set up in terms of commodities stability…It seems to me that although these are separate elements in the Market..They are interelated right? I know it’s complicated and probably tedious for someone of your knowledge to breakdown, but I would eagerly read a writeup of yours on this relationship. One question I have in relation to this…I keep hearing about our national debt to other countries…And yet I remember there were years when we bailed out a lot of countries ( Russia with Grain during the Winter for one )…And I know that until recently we were the major contributor to the world food bank. Now I hear on the radio that China is holding back on mining/production of COBALT ( 95% of world supply comes from China )which is a major ingredient for the production of Lithium Batteries ( necessary for the switch to Battery cars )example of the US depending once again on a country that operates like the Mafia in terms of supply and demand…like OPEC
    My question is this…Do we ever collect on the Debt owed the US?
    Aaaaand could you do a write up on commodoties and how these relate both in Markets and international relations…Your opinion is always interesting to read and your style makes these complicated topics digestible…Kind like Larry when he discusses complicated foreign policy…I can get it y’know?….Thanks for all you do LD…You Rock!…even an artist like me can get the big picture

  • LD

    Working,

    I will confess that I am the furthest thing from an expert on commodities. That said, I am currently working on some things that focus on the energy space specifically. As I get up the learning curve in that sector I willdefinitely pass my thoughts along to you and everybody here at NQ.

    What I do know is that hedge funds generally speaking were long a LOT of commodities through the middle part of this year and short financial stocks. They made a lot of money for a period of tiem on that trade but then when commodities started coming down in the lat Summer and the SEC prohibited the shorting of financials in September these hedge funds lost their shirt. Granyed the declining demand for commodities has hurt their prices but also the unwind of a lot of long positions in commodities by these hedge funds has also played a big factor.

    Hope this helps.

    In regard to other countries repaying debts, I doubt that we may every really know. I am guessing that everything is negotiable when it comes to foreign relations.

  • William L. Donlon

    LD:
    Excellent article!

    There is what I call the “Economic Tsunami Wave” caused by opposing forces acting simotaniously.

    Lending has always increased the money supply due to the “bank multiplier effect.

    With lending on hold the money supply will contract causing a deflation of cost for goods and labor and an increase in interest paid on borrowing.

    Money borrowed in good times with cheap, easy to get dollars and paid back in hard times with expensive, hard to get dollars, favors the lender and the borrower suffers.

    But the Fed has lowered the interest rates and increased the money supply through bailouts and incentive give aways.

    The deflationary undertow caused by the shrinking of the “bank multiplyer” is pullin back the waters, leaving dry shore for a half mile out to sea.

    This invites the lender to venture out just before the Tsunami Wave, (always visable on the horison) Of Hyper Inflation hits wiping out all assets.

    The U.S. economy is right now entering just such an “Economic Tsunami Wave”.

    Don’t get sucked in!

    Cash Is King!

    Wait for it!

    Wait!

  • workingclass artist

    thanks LD…I look forward to reading up…You do us all a great service…eases the pain when tryin to wrap my head around it all…
    A/Ex uno disce omnes…gratias!
    From one person learn all people…Thanks!

  • LD

    William….I TOTALLY agree.

    Thanks.

  • csuzeq

    But I think back then we had patriotic leaders, not ones willing to seel the country out for their own greed.

    Bummer. America, it was good while it lasted. Maybe if we’d have put money into education so that people weren’t so stupid, it could have worked out. I’ll miss you.

  • interested party

    Thanks for the posts. I appreciate you taking the time to delve into evolving mess on the financial front.

    I wonder if you read Karl Denninger at The Market Ticker (http://market-ticker.denninger.net/ for those that are curious) and what you thought of his comments? His conclusions, if the ship isn’t righted, are grim indeed.

  • I’m a Linda too

    I hope American voters are paying attention now. Pelosi, Reid, and other Dems WANT, SO BADLY, to give the Auto makers the money. They are telling them, the people will be angry if we ok it now while all eyes are on this and people see what is going on. They are saying, lets take a break, you go back and come up with some sort of plan, any plan and when you come back, for GODS sake, don’t come back on those Jets, so we can say to the voters “see, they are learning”(such a crock) and then we’ll give you the money.

    After all, O-shit! wanted to give them double what Congress was even talking, he said, 50 BILLION Dollars.

    They need to give payback for their support and they are using our money to do so, period.

    Congress already aproved 25 billion in September for them. But the Big (now small)3 didn’t want the money to come to streamline and develop new technology. They want a loan to do as they wish for current business. This is all just so outrageous. They are the reason they are here, even still after all the help they have received over the decades.

    They pocked the money Gore arranged for Bill Clinton to give to help them create new technology in the late 90′s. WHAT DID THEY DO? They POCKETED THE MONEY, made deals with the Oil industry for gas guzzling, killing the Electric Car and GAVE US HUMMERS.

    The reason you see Sherrod Brown and Voinovich, just like the others, pushing for aid, is because the Auto industry is heavy there. You should see the plants. But, they’ve been cutting back jobs and shutting down plants already and will continue, with or without our tax dollars. And it’s the uneducated workers that think this will save their jobs so the Senators are putting on a show. It’s up to the rest to do what they know is right and stop giving our tax dollars to these Corporations paying for their High on the Hog way of life, waste and bad decisions and poor business practices.

    But the Democrats have no real economic intelligence and are guttless and are afraid of doing whats right and just keep giving away our dollars, growing debt, just because the HOPE it will appear better.

  • andySF

    There were always waste in the defense spending. I remember back in the days when I was in the Navy, my small work center wasted over 100k in just one annual inspection. The system was set up to get more funding the next year. If you don’t dry up your fund this year, you get less next year(politic).

    We have to throw expensive parts overboard because it should not be on the inventory, 38k a piece of pump parts, just to get past the inspection. We had to order everything back right after the inspection since we will be needing them at sea. We pay over $750 for a metal door that you can buy for $150 in the open market because of the certification of sea worthiness(and the door wasn’t even an water tight door, yuk). We paid for a hundred dollar screw because we order only 1 or 2 at a time instead of go out and buy them on the shelf.

    What I am trying to say is that the politicians and Generals are crooks. There could be huge saving from wasteful spending if they truly wants to without harming our strength. The system was setup since WWI to benefit big corporations.

  • I’m a Linda too

    Oh NO, WAIT! This CAN’T BE. First O-shit! said he wanted to give 50 billion, not 25 billion that Congress was discussing and NOW, he comes out with his own plan regardless what Congress is working ON?

    This can’t be….any other time people as for O-shit’s position and why isn’t he doing something, he comes up with his newest vague talking point “there is only one president at the time”. SO SURELY, HE ISN’T TRYING TO MAKE THAT NOW TWO PRESIDENTS AND OVER STEPPING NANCY PELOSI AND REID? NAAHHHHH

    I told you, Barry owest the auto industry and his sell out is calling for payback now. I was amused over their same rhetoric on tv interviews. O-shit (shhh, not the real president that is only one at a time) discussed this even on 60 mins where he wanted “a bridge loan, not a bridge loan to no where (auh huh huh huh). And then the CEO’s give interviews, “we’re looking for a bridge loan”. SURE, this negates demands for restructure and changes.

    Obama Team Said to Explore `Prepack’ Auto Bankruptcy (Update2)

    By Linda Sandler and Jeff Green

    Nov. 21 (Bloomberg) — President-Elect Barack Obama’s transition team is exploring a swift, prepackaged bankruptcy for automakers as a possible solution to the industry’s financial crisis, according to a person familiar with the matter.

    …Bankruptcy is just one option being examined. Obama told CBS News’s “60 Minutes” on Nov. 16 that government aid to automakers might come in the form of a “bridge loan,” advanced if the industry could draw up plan to make itself “sustainable.” The president-elect earlier urged Congress to approve as much as $50 billion to save automakers, using the model of Chrysler’s bailout in 1979.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aRfqFMhlj5lk&refer=worldwide

  • bemused

    Naughty of me, looking for a little schadenfreude–but hoping Soros lost a couple of shirts.

  • fiscalliberal

    Some how the public Discussion needs to hear we have to much auto capacity and it needs to be right sized.

    They used to produce 17 million and are now down to under 11 million. I predict it is going to get worse as the current recission will last untill 2010.

    Furthermore: I live in the Detroit areas and Rick Wagner has been reducing work force in the face of a strong union and a white collar force used to perks and not working to hard. Right now senior management has taken a 30% pay cut, travel is severly restricted and things like tuition reimbursemet are cut out.

    New management in GM is doing the cutting of work force (white and blue) however it will take some time to work this out. I agree – they might not survive.

    I really blame the Michigan Political Deligation in letting the Big Three going for such a unsubstantiated request. I guess they thought that since AIG got the easy money, the gravy train should continue.

    LD –

    would be interested in your opinion in terms to the economists you listen to. Also – might be interesting to get a article on bonds as I think there is limited knowledge versus the equity stock market.

    The big three also did not get value from their lobbyists in terms of letting them look stupid in the hearings.

  • fiscalliberal

    Today the MCNBC the channel was lamenting Obama not commenting and not naming a Treasury Secretary.

    True – we have one presidient. However you shoud not hide behind that when the markets need some level of understanding on what he is going to do.

    I contend he does not know much about economics and is being brought up to speed ( I hope).

    In the end the “one president” wall is easy to hide behind is equivelent to the voting present precident.

  • fiscalliberal

    Sorry “precident” should be “present”

  • getfitnow

    Thanks, LD. I always look forward to your articles.

  • ritamary

    Why is nobody concerned about the multi-billion dollar no bid contracts Bush/Cheney gave to companies such as Halliburton in Iraq? Yes, stop giving no bid contracts to defense contractors, aka war profiteers. This shameful waste of taxpayer money helped to put us in this mess.

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