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Let’s Lynch Trayvon’s Whitey Spic Killer

My title, in case you are terminally retarded, is sarcasm. I can’t say I’m shocked by the tsunami of bullshit being spewed by the media, especially on MSNBC and CNN, that has decided that the shooting death of Trayvon Martin is a race hate crime and that George Zimmerman is a KKK, niggah hating, racist.

Oh, did I mention that Trayvon is a peaceful child, a little boy really, who just happened to be walking along minding his own business when this racist, crazed madman came charging at him and shot him from behind through his Stop Global Warming and War hoodie.

That will at least be the Hollywood version once this insanity is turned into a cinematic cash register. Now for the facts. George Zimmerman, the alleged shooter, is a Democrat and Latino. That means he ain’t white. So, not white, not Republican. SHIT!! There goes the Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton platform for moral outrage.

And Trayvon? Well, looks like he is not the little innocent boy just munching Skittles. NBC Miami is reporting:

The 17-year-old was suspended three times in a series of incidents that included getting caught spraying graffiti and carrying an empty baggie with traces of marijuana, according to a Miami-Dade Schools Police report obtained by the Miami Herald.

The report details an incident from October, when a school police investigator said he spotted Martin on a surveillance camera “hiding and being suspicious” in an unauthorized area at Krop High School.

The investigator later saw Martin mark a door with “W.T.F.” or “what the f–k,” the report said. When the school cop searched Martin’s backpack the next day looking for the graffiti marker, he reported he found women’s jewelry and a screwdriver described as a “burglary tool,” the report said.

If Trayvon was hitting the weed then we can understand why he was needing his Skittles. Gotta deal with the munchies if you’re smoking. Right?

Well, leaks from the police department (which are corroborated by an eyewitness), has Trayvon on top of Zimmerman punching him before the gun goes off. According to the San Francisco Chronicle:

George Zimmerman told police in Sanford, Florida, that he shot Trayvon Martin after being punched in the nose and having his head slammed into the sidewalk, said City Manager Nolan Bonaparte Jr.

Bonaparte confirmed an Orlando Sentinel report yesterday that detailed Zimmerman’s side of story. Zimmerman, whose mother is Hispanic and father is white, claimed self-defense in the Feb. 26 shooting of Martin, an unarmed, black 17-year-old, and hasn’t been arrested.

If true, this changes the conventional wisdom narrative dramatically. Zimmerman not only has a stand his ground defense argument, but he also has a self-defense argument.

It is outrageous that once again Obama inserts himself into a local law enforcement issue, plays the race card and shoots his goddamn mouth off before the facts are in. But he has a track record of playing the race card. Remember when he labeled the Cambridge police officer a racists three years ago and had to put on a beer summit to walk back his stupidity.

I suggest the media shut up and wait for the investigation. Prejudging Zimmerman is not justice. But hey, maybe he’s a wetback and has some illegal relatives. In that case maybe it is okay to use frontier justice, even if unjust, to feed the media hunger for a black David versus a white Goliath narrative. I am surprised by the silence out of the Latino community. Too bad Zimmerman is not named Lopez or Garcia or Rubio. Maybe then he would earn some benefit of the doubt. Zimmerman? Got to be a Nazi.

Meanwhile, the New Black Panthers, true to their ignorance and stupidity, have put out a bounty to get Zimmerman. See, if you are black it is okay to put out a bounty to hunt down someone from another race. That’s okay. That’s moral.

Of course, you don’t hear Obama denouncing that kind of racist crap. He just panders to the black thing. As he said the other day:

But my main message is to the parents of Trayvon Martin. You know, if I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon. And, you know, I think they are right to expect that all of us, as Americans, are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves and that we’re going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.

Despicable.

  • AzDesertRat

    After scanning some of the responses below it’s quite apparent that your posters MORE THAN equal your bat sh@t ignorance

  • AzDesertRat

    Whining nor idiocy are NOT admirable traits leejay so get off it and attempt to utilize facts and data. Martin’s background has NADA to do with his murder by Zimmerman no matter how many scarlet piscine you distribute.   I for one choose to use information that is factual.  The following is a Sanford Police Department video taken the night of Treyvon Martin’s murder.   It shows views of George Zimmerman.  That man has NO blood NO bruises NOR ANY injuries to face nor head.   
    http://abcnews.go.com/WN/trayvon-martin-case-exclusive-surveillance-video-george-zimmerman-/story?id=16022897#.T3RLFREgfE1 
    No wonder the Sanford Police Department wanted to arrest him, however that choice was negated by the county/district attorney’s office.

  • Flop_Flipper

    Color me shocked. Anderson Cooper does a fairly convincing job of pretending to be a journalist. Here he is interviewing the spokesperson for the Black Panthers.  I refuse to call them “New.” They are much a rehash of the same.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TxIjibd_uy4#!

  • binthemidwest

    I think we all need to take a deep breath, let the investigations take their course, and once the facts are presented, then form opinions.  At this point in time all we know is that a man named Zimmerman spotted someone named Martin walking down the street, called 911, and after being told not to, took off in pursuit of the man named Martin.   Personally I believe I would have taken off in the other direction and avoided the entire, unnecessary  confrontation.   But that isn’t what happened, and now someone is dead and the country is mesmerized by this incident.    Accusations flying back and forth won’t solve a thing. 

  • Popsmoke

    Here is another! Where is the O U T R A G E!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU07MVS0KJs
     

    • PPAA

      I don’t think you get it.

      The police are in pursuit of the criminals in the case you reference above and when they find those responsible they will proscute.

      In the Trayvon Martin case the police did not do their job. They basically let Zimmerman go with no real significant investigation and even after the lead detective/investigator wanted to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter.

      It is really not that difficult to understand the difference?

      • mumphrey

        “It is really not that difficult to understand the diffreence?”

        It seems that it is.

      • stodghie

        geez ppaa you don’t know the difference between justice and bs clearly. and you don’t know if the police did their job or not, you too damn busy making false assumptions.

      • Popsmoke

         Jeeezz… Take two laxatives and call me in the morning…. Make that late morning….

  • Flop_Flipper

    QUESTION of the day: What do Trayvon Martin, Sandra Fluke and Barack Obama have in common? Clue: It’s a one word answer.

  • Popsmoke

    Wonder what Sharpton and Jackson have to say about this??? Where is the OUTRAGE? Where are the Capitol Hill pressers? http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-elderly-man-shoots-burglar-in-englewood-both-charged-20120326,0,3175723.story

    What B U L L S H I T!

    • Flop_Flipper

       I thought Rahm’s comment about it being inappropriate to comment on an ongoing investigation was hilarious.

  • FormerLiberal9

     

    “We saw this with Tawana Brawley -
    with the Crown Heights Riots – with the Duke Lacrosse case…”

    These two cases are the reason why I don’t trust Sharpton
    and Jackson judgment when it comes to incidents where they claim racial
    discrimination. In both cases allegations were proven to completely false yet
    the lives of innocent parties were drug through the mud, in the case of the
    LaCrosse players. Yet no one took Sharpton or Jackson to task for their
    actions.

     

    So I will wait for the Florida State
    investigation to make a judgment on this case when the evidence gathering is
    complete.

  • Flop_Flipper

    So what is up with Trayvon’s mother trademarking her son’s name? Should we expect a made for TV movie in the near future? Who will play whom?

  • KenoshaMarge

    Once again, the usual suspects…

  • bbf

    Sounds like you’re into blaming the victim. Trayvon has been dead for over a month now..and you’re saying the media needs to shut up and wait for the investigation? Evidently, without the media’s reports..there would be no investigation.

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/18/446768/what-everyone-should-know-about-about-trayvon-martin-1995-2012/?mobile=nc

    1. Zimmerman called the police to
    report Martin’s “suspicious” behavior, which he described as
    “just walking around looking about.” Zimmerman was in
    his car when he saw Martin walking on the street. He called the
    police and said: “There’s a real suspicious guy. This guy looks
    like he’s up to no good, on drugs or something. It’s raining and
    he’s just walking around looking about… These a**holes always
    get away” [Orlando
    Sentinel]
    2. Zimmerman
    pursued Martin against the explicit instructions of the
    police dispatcher:
    Dispatcher: “Are you following him?”
    Zimmerman: “Yeah”

    Dispatcher: “OK, we don’t need you to do that.”
    [Orlando
    Sentinel]
    3. Prior to the release of the 911
    tapes, Zimmerman’s father released a statement claiming “[a]t
    no time did George follow or confront Mr. Martin.” [Sun
    Sentinel]
    4. Zimmerman was carrying a 9
    millimeter handgun. Martin was carrying a bag of Skittles and
    a can of iced tea. [ABC
    News]
    5. Martin weighed 140 pounds.
    Zimmerman weighs 250 pounds. [Orlando
    Sentinel; WDBO]
    6. Martin’s English teacher described
    him “as an A and B student who majored in cheerfulness.”
    [Orlando
    Sentinel]
    7. Martin had no criminal record.
    [New
    York Times]
    8. Zimmerman
    “was charged in July 2005 with resisting arrest with
    violence and battery on an officer. The charges
    appear to have been dropped.” [Huffington
    Post]
    9. Zimmerman called the police 46
    times since Jan. 1, 2011. [Miami
    Herald]
    10. According to neighbors, Zimmerman
    was “fixated on crime and focused on young, black males.”
    [Miami
    Herald]
    11. Zimmerman “had been the subject
    of complaints by neighbors in his gated community for
    aggressive tactics” [Huffington
    Post]
    12. A police officer “corrected” a
    key witness. “The officer told the witness, a
    long-time teacher, it was Zimmerman who cried for help, said the
    witness. ABC News has spoken to the teacher and she confirmed
    that the officer corrected her when she said she heard the
    teenager shout for help.” [ABC
    News]
    13. Three witnesses say they heard a
    boy cry for help before a shot was fired. “Three
    witnesses contacted by The Miami Herald say they saw or heard
    the moments before and after the Miami Gardens teenager’s
    killing. All three said they heard the last howl for help from a
    despondent boy.” [Miami
    Herald]
    14. The officer in charge of the
    crime scene also received criticism in 2010 when he
    initially failed to arrest a lieutenant’s son who was videotaped
    attacking a homeless black man. [New
    York Times]
    15. The police
    did not test Zimmerman for drugs or alcohol. A law
    enforcement expert told ABC that Zimmerman sounds intoxicated
    on the 911 tapes. Drug and alcohol testing is “standard
    procedure in most homicide investigations.” [ABC
    News]

    • MG6

      Both parties are to blame!  Martin for not staying in the Car and Trayvon for not continuing on his way, or running away to where he was going.

      Congrats for rewriting the facts.  Nothing can be said for you to see the truth for you will color it any which why you like to justify your own stupidity. 

      • PPAA

        MG6,

        “Both parties are to blame! ”

        What a warped sense of proportion you have.

        So Trayvon is to blame for his own death for simply walking down the street doing nothing? What kind of logic is that?

        “Congrats for rewriting the facts. ”

        What facts are re-written? Seems like bbf is directly quoting sources. More strange logic from you. What exact facts are you disputing? And what exactly is your point?

        Amazing NQ logic from MG6.

        • MG6

          Not worth answering…But lets see, Twanada Bradley, Duke and the white  13 yr old that was burned in the face by two AA kids and not one word from the AA leaders.

          http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/28/alveda-king-sharpton-jackson-should-stop-playing-race-card-over-trayvon-martin/

          • mumphrey

            Tawana Brawley, Duke and the 13 year old white kid have nothing to do with this.  And I haven’t heard anybody saing those older white people “deserved it”.  This isn’t so hard to follow, really, but you seem hell-bent on willfully misunderstanding.  I weep for my country that there are so many people who choose to be ignorant.

  • CathyInKs

    How ironic – Zimmerman is a democrat!  Didn’t know that.  Also didn’t know Zimmerman was a “white Hispanic”.  Does that mean Obama is a “white African-American”?  If Obama is a “white African-American” wouldn’t Obama have more in common with Zimmerman than Martin? Wouldn’t a son of Obama’s look more like Zimmerman than Martin since they’ both have “white parentage” and wouldn’t a son of Obama’s think more like Zimmerman since they’re both dems? Just applying a little of the “New Democrat Logic”.

    • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

      What happened to “Chicano”?  Or is that not descriptive enough for the race baiters?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dolly-Cain/100002303813490 Dolly Cain

    My husband and I have actually been fighting about this.  I tried to tell him I read the police report and some things didn’t add up.  I also read what the  Chief of Police had to say.

    1. Zimmerman said he was in his truck following Martin.  He said lost sight of him and then turned his truck around and returned to his car to wait for police.  If that’s true then how did Martin end up confronting him by his car?

    2. If  Zimmerman had his back to Martin and was attacked how did Martin end up face down with  his hands underneath his body? (This according to the police report)

    3.  My husband posits that the scene was staged to make Martin look bad. ( Don’t take it up with me debate with him)

    4. The Chief of Police admits that at first Zimmerman was described as “squeaky clean” in the initial police report.  It turns out that Zimmerman also has a history of run-ins with the law.  That was explained as a mistake by the initial reporting officer/detective.

    My main concern is that although Martin may not have been a model youth nothing he did rises to the level of the death penalty.

    My heart goes out to Martin’s grieving parents.  

    Those that invoke MLK Jr. in this case need to remember that he never advocated revenge or violence as solutions to injustice.

    In my humble opinion we should all want the following:

    1. Justice
    2. Truth

    I guess we are not as “post racial” as we thought.

    My husband also noted that in the wake of the Rodney King beating and subsequent  riots that GHWB handled things much better.
    My son is a kind, law abiding, young black man. I’ve warned him to be careful. 
      

    • MG6

      Zimmerman had a criminal history?  Where did you find that?
      I knew about the phone calls to the police.   But that is what you do if you are on the neighborhood watch.  See something say something thing?

      Issac Asimov stated: “It is not what you see that is suspect, but how interpret what you see…”

      To debate and discuss things thing with color blinds on is useless.

      What about the what the white 13 yr old boy who had gasoline thrown in his face  and lit up by two AA boys.  The AA boys claimed he deserved it because he was white?  Both he and his family had to live the town out of fear.

      Did we heard anything from the AA  community?  Yeah, silence and crickets.

      BTW, I am also Hispanic with a multiracial family.
      I also could talk about a crime scene but it’ll be a long and I am tired of it.

      The incident occurred in 2/12 and now it’s coming out.  I am sure the family and the powers at be obtain their triggers for racial conflicts to distract us from the country’s treasonistic (if there is such a word) leaders.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dolly-Cain/100002303813490 Dolly Cain

        That is according to the Chief of Police in Sandford. Ask him.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

       Dolly,
      Let’s hope the investigative authorities are as logical, calm and intelligent as you are.  Thanks for sharing.

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    I take comfort in the thought that with regard to the pursuit of justice in this cqse, both of our opinions are equally  irrelevant.

    • PPAA

      Then why do you give one…

      • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

        Freedom of speech, baby…or is that only reserved for you an Win43?

  • Marie Berberg

    Larry – how are you any better than the media you claim to despise when you now buy into all the anti-Martin craziness that’s being spewed by the right wing as fast as the left wing jumped on Zimmerman? Maybe you are being sarcastic in talking about Trayvon “hitting the weed,” etc. but it’s not coming through as that if you are.

    The whole problem with this case if the race-protest clowns and now the “there is no racism” protest- clowns hadn’t highjacked it is that the system here failed Martin. You say “wait until the investigation” ignoring the fact that if there hadn’t been the firestorm, there would have been NO investigation. The authorities failed abysmally to do the proper investigation that should happen when there is a homicide – justifiable or not. Their dismissiveness was likely not due at all to the race of Zimmerman (and by the way – Hispanics can be white) so much as it was to the race of Treyvon.

    I’ve read the police reports and have a pretty good understanding of standard police procedure and this was anything but. The police here essentially decided: “resident of gated community got jumped by black kid based on resident’s story; we found one eyewitness to corroborate, so we can disregard the ones who saw something different; resident (who is of course overwhelmingly self-interested) claims self-defense; good enough for us; case closed.” That is in no way shape or form acceptable. In fact, it’s gross negligence when someone is shot and killed.

    I don’t believe in vigilante justice for Zimmerman (too bad he didn’t think the same way). But, I do believe in due process for both shooter AND victim and that’s finally going to happen, but certainly wouldn’t have if the local police had had their way.

    • PPAA

      A well written response. Better than the normal LJ backslappers.

      • beyond_words24

         ”A well written response. Better than the normal LJ backslappers.”
        ———————————

        And that’s coming from the Obama Blowjob Brigade?

    • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

      The fact that you had to go to, “The police here essentially decided: “resident of gated community got jumped by BLACK kid based on resident’s story”…blah, blah blah negates your whole post.

      Let the courts decide what the cops did.  Let the courts decide the penalty.  There’s far more to any case and NO ONE here is privileged to that information.

      I don’t believe in vigilante race baiting no matter what form it shows up in…even in posts like yours, Marie.

      • PPAA

        Actually, if there was not a major stink made out of this by the family, the press and the protestors there would be no courts, etc.

        The police did not charge Zimmerman. They let him go and he walks free with the gun he shot Trayvon.

        It is precisely the point of this whole incident and the source of all the rage, that the police did not do their job.

        It is very true that “the police here essentially decided: “resident of gated community got jumped by BLACK kid based on resident’s story”.

        And on what grounds did they decide that?

        • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

          You don’t know that the police didn’t do their job.  You are not privileged to all the facts of the case – and you are not the one who decides when or if someone is charged.

          Neither is Martin’s family or Jackson, Sharpton or Obama…

          Nah, this is a political ploy straight up with some more black theology thrown in.

          • PPAA

            They did such a good job that the police chief is no longer on the job, the prosecuter has been thrown off the case and the entire case has been handed over to the feds.

            Take a look at Dolly’s excellent response above.

          • bbf

            From ThinkProgress.org

            12. A police officer “corrected” a
            key witness. “The officer told the witness, a long-time teacher, it was Zimmerman who cried for help, said the witness. ABC News has spoken to the teacher and she confirmed that the officer corrected her when she said she heard the teenager shout for help.” [ABC News]

            13. Three witnesses say they heard a boy cry for help before a shot was fired. “Three witnesses contacted by The Miami Herald say they saw or heard the moments before and after the Miami Gardens teenager’s
            killing. All three said they heard the last howl for help from a
            despondent boy.” [Miami Herald]

            14. The officer in charge of the
            crime scene also received criticism in 2010 when he initially failed to arrest a lieutenant’s son who was videotaped attacking a homeless black man. [New York Times]

            15. The police
            did not test Zimmerman for drugs or alcohol. A law enforcement expert told ABC that Zimmerman sounds intoxicated on the 911 tapes. Drug and alcohol testing is “standard procedure in most homicide investigations.” [ABC
            News]

          • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

            ThinkProgress.org  is a liberal website.
             
            In fact, when I went to corroborate this last night – it’s only on liberal sites.

            There’s still more that isn’t given to the press and NO even thinkprogress.org doesn’t know it all.

            Otherwise there would be no need for trials, etc.

            But would the proggies love that!

          • Marie Berberg

            “black theology” blah blah blah – the talking point negates your whole reply.  I actually do know that the police didn’t do their job.  The police chief stepping down and the case getting kicked “up” and out of their hands pretty much says it all.  In addition, the Sanford police have issued as many “facts” as they possibly could trying to show all the work they did in this case both in public and leaked to the press.  Just reading all these “facts” they themselves have issued shows clearly they didn’t do the most minimal investigation of this homicide.

          • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

            BS – below

  • jrterrier

    What is wrong with some people.  Spike Lee is supposed to have retweeted an address, which he apparently believed was the home of George Zimmerman.  In an atmosphere like this, that’s a pretty reckless and dangerous thing to do.  Particularly it is a terrible thing to do for someone like Spike Lee, who as a celibrity should know ho many nuts there are out there.

    What’s worse, is that the idiots got the address wrong.  The address they tweeted was to the home of a 70-year old couple, who learned about it when camera crews showed up at their house.   They say they are living in fear in their home, know with doors & windows locked.  They also received an unsolicited letter ”fear the rainbow” (that’s the ad line for skittles, the candy Trayvon was supposedly eating the night he was killed). 

    Hope nothing bad happens to the couple.

    Hope they sue the pants off Spike Lee for the pain and suffering!

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/spike-lee-zimmerman-tweet-567891

  • PPAA

    “But as of right now, some things are not in dispute. Martin was unarmed save for a pack of Skittles and an ice tea. Zimmerman, who repeatedly called the cops when he saw young black men in his gated community, trailed Martin after the police advised him not to. He called Martin either a “coon” or a “goon.” Martin had no documented history of violence. Zimmerman, on the other hand, was previously accused of hitting his ex-fiancé; in response, he said that she was the aggressor, which means he doesn’t deny that there was a physical fight.

    So why this desire to paint Martin, rather than the man who shot him, as the guilty party? Partly, of course, it’s just a reaction to his death becoming a cause célèbre on the left—it’s the same sort of impulse that leads some conservatives to delight in “Fry Mumia” T-shirts. Beyond that, though, some on the right are deeply invested in the idea that anti-black racism is no longer much of a problem in the United States, and certainly not a problem on the scale of false accusations of racism. You might call these people anti-anti-racists. They are determined to push back against any narrative that would suggest that a black man has been targeted for the color of his skin.”

    • jrterrier

      “He called Martin either a “coon” or a “goon.” Martin had no documented history of violence.”

      These things are definitely in dispute.  I listened to CNN play the 911 tape multiple times, slowed down, enhanced, everywhich way, and one had to be a diviner to be able to state that the words used were “coon” or “goon.”  in fact the reporter said something like i wouldn’t swear in court what it says.  the tape was sent to Quantico (FBI headquarters) to see whether they could enhance the noises.  so that is in dispute. 

      There are reports that Martin had just a few weeks ago jumped a bus driver.  Also, there are reports that on one of the occasions when Martin was suspended, school personnel searched his backback and found a plastic baggie full of female gold jewelry, and a screwdriver or other tools that have been described as a robbery kit.  martin  claimed that the jewelry did not belong to him but had been given to him by a friend. 

      also, Martin did not have a firearm but apparently he used his fists (or something else) to give Zimmerman a bloody nose and bloody back of the head.  so the fact that he did not have  a firearm doesn’t mean that he did not have a way to inflict injury on zimmerman.  zimmerman was a 6’3″ football player, which means that he was likely pretty strong. 
       
      so at least those three things and many more are in dispute.  

      some of these things may be resolved at the end of the investigation.  or maybe not.

      but the media story that was pushed for weeks, punctuated by the picture of a preteen child versus a mug shot of a much older “aggressor” was a story that was either patently false or completely lacking in objectivity.  the police report, which should have been available to any beat reporter would have started to add facts that the media did not disclose for weeks.

      the story at the center of the comments by reverends sharpton & jackson has been at best less than complete. 

      the problem with these fairy tales the media tries to push is that they cheapen the true outrages.  it’s like the boy who cried wolf.

      once again, one of the worst consequences of this debacle is to undermine the credibility of the media. 

      • PPAA

        “There are reports that Martin had just a few weeks ago jumped a bus driver.  Also, there are reports that on one of the occasions when Martin was suspended, school personnel searched his backback and found a plastic baggie full of female gold jewelry, and a screwdriver or other tools that have been described as a robbery kit.  martin  claimed that the jewelry did not belong to him but had been given to him by a friend.  ”
        More character assasination from you. Even if all of the is suppose to be true, none of it is relevant. It does not justify murder.

        “also, Martin did not have a firearm but apparently he used his fists (or something else) to give Zimmerman a bloody nose and bloody back of the head.  so the fact that he did not have  a firearm doesn’t mean that he did not have a way to inflict injury on zimmerman.  zimmerman was a 6’3″ football player, which means that he was likely pretty strong.”

        You have no idea who initiated a fight, assuming there was one.  For example you have no idea whether Trayvon was defending himself from a strange man following him with a gun.

        What we do know from Zimmerman’s own words on the 911 call is that he was in his car and began following Treyvon when he was told not to by the police. It was Zimmerman who was aggressively pursuing Treyvon and not the other way around.

        “the problem with these fairy tales the media tries to push is that they cheapen the true outrages.  it’s like the boy who cried wolf.”

        You conservatives just love to blame the media for everything. Grow-up. Yeah.. crying wolf alright. We have a dead 17 year old and the shooter hiding behind the bullshit “Stand Your Ground Law”.

        If it was not for the protests and the media this whole thing would have been swept under the rug.

        End of the day the most daming new piece of information is that the lead investigator or detective on the night of the incident did not believe Zimmerman’s story and wanted to press manslaughter charges and he was overruled by the Prosecuter and higher ups. That is pretty daming if the lead investigator whos saw and hear everything at the time did not believe Zimmerman’s version  of events. We have a police department that completely screwed up the investigation based on their on racist stereotypes or incompetence trying to cover their ass by leaking all of this stuff to try and destroy the character of the victim when most of this leaked background info about Trayvon does nothing more than describer a fairly typical 17 year old with some very minor juvenile issues.

        All these NQ and NQbot comments are all very predictable. Fits the M.O. of this website. In the last week we have had NQ bash brave women who stand up for their beliefs, muslims for having the gull to elect their representatives and now blacks for having the nerve to seek justice. It is like a very broken record on here.

        • jrterrier

          manslaughter is not murder, which would mean that he believed there was some excuse or explanation.

          bottom line — none of us have all the facts.  the right thing to do is to let the facts all come out and let the chips fall where it may.   

          • PPAA

            “manslaughter is not murder, which would mean that he believed there was some excuse or explanation.”

            Actually manslaughter can also include those cases where there was intent to kill.  It is called voluntary manslaughter. Voluntary manslaughter in some jurisdictions is a lesser included offense of murder.

            Chasing after someone with a gun would make it pretty hard to prove the Stand Your Ground defense. Stand Your Ground would more likely apply to Trayvon himself who was threatened by a strange man following him with a gun.

            “the right thing to do is to let the facts all come out and let the chips fall where it may.”

            And none of us were going to get the facts if people did not protest, if the press did not look into this and if people like Sharpton did not demand justice.

        • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

          Zimmerman isn’t  6’3″.

  • mumphrey

    To win43:

    “Diana: so what you’re saying is Trayvon Martin had it coming, so we shouldn’t care?
    Okay then.”

    Yes, I believe that’s just what they’re saying.  I know they won’t own up to it, but I don’t see any other way to read it.  For the last few days, we’ve seen the appalling glee with which many have leapt upon every hint that Trayvon Martin was less than angelic–in other words, human.

    A lot of people don’t want to talk about race in America.  They want racism to be something that’s long behind us.  There are many reasons for this, I think.  One is that if racism is gone, then any lingering problems that bedevil African Americans are their own fault, and whites shouldn’t have to worry about them or care about them or lift a finger to help them overcome them.  Another is that if racism is gone, then they themselves cannot be racist, and that means they have no need to look within themselves or change the way they think or behave.

    I think this is why so many people are so savagely attacking the name of a dead 17 year old.  He NEEDS to have had it coming to him.  He NEEDS to have “asked for it” somehow.  As long as that’s true, then all the rest of us are off the hook.  I think that’s what this is about, at its heart.

    • win43

      I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. It’d be funny how the argument of last resort is “this kid was no angel, okay?” if it weren’t so sad.

    • Wisewoman2

      As a 66 year old black southern American my POV is this.  Young black men who are good, sometimes good, fair, better, and excellent individuals are suffering from the results of years and years of bad behavior by the black thugs who commit crimes daily.  People are afraid and will try to protect themselves at any cost.  The tradgedy is that the good young black men seem to suffer more than the bad ones because in many times these thugs are never caught.  That appears to be the reality of our times.

      • mumphrey

        Well, there’s something to what you say.  What bothers me, though, is that there are a great many white thugs, too.  But when some white guy does something awful, it doesn’t reflect on whites as a whole.  When a black guy does something, suddenly, he’s a symbol of black American men as a whole.

        I believe that this is a long-lasting legacy of 350 years of systematic dehumanization of black people, and it’s something that won’t change until and unless we all are willing to own up to it, and talk about it openly.  But thisis hard to bring about, since it’s uncomfortable for many whites.  And it’s easy for whites to not talk about it, since this legacy never happens to us.  It happens to a black American, the black American speaks up about it, and too often, whites will ask, in essence, “Why can’t you people let this go.  This whole racism thing is so 1965.  We’re beyond that.  We ended slavery for you people.  We even passed laws to give you people rights.  What more do you people want from us?”

        But, jeez, all we whites have to risk in talking about this lingering pestilence is that we might get our tender, tender feelings rubbed a little raw.  What does it say about too many of us white people that we’re so scared of a few hard feelings that we won’t even talk about this?

        • FormerLiberal9

           ”Well, there’s something to what you say.  What bothers me, though, is
          that there are a great many white thugs, too.  But when some white guy
          does something awful, it doesn’t reflect on whites as a whole.  When a
          black guy does something, suddenly, he’s a symbol of black American men
          as a whole.”

          Not to me it doesn’t. I don’t stereotype people.

           

        • FLDemFem

           Here’s a thought. Start a movement that encourages black families to raise their children with morals and a sense of decency instead of indulging the hip hop thug culture. Don’t have people like Jay-Z as role models, he refers to women as hos and bitches and in the process demeans women in general, which includes black women.  Don’t have a culture where the leading lights have done jail time and are proud of it..it’s their “street cred”. Don’t let sons have multiple “baby mamas”, all on welfare. Start emphasizing education instead of bling, start insisting that the young behave with respect towards their elders, don’t let them get away with bad behavior.

          This is how generations of Americans, of all colors and religions, have managed to raise their children. It’s time the black population adopted those mores instead making excuses and blaming white people for everything. It’s been 147 years since slavery ended. that’s 58 years longer than slavery lasted in the US, after independence. That’s  plenty of time to get their act together.

      • PPAA

        That response is a complete cope-out and sad. So black men have it coming to them because some black men are evil doers! come on! So it is not the shooters fault. It is fine to shoot a blackman when he is only walking down the street because racial profiling is okay. You are not so wise. 

    • jrterrier

      no, it’s not about that at all.  for me there are two things at work.  one is the manipulation by the media to create a false narrative or at least one that is woefully one-sided.  for example, the use of a preteen photo against the mug shot of zimmerman.  how about just photos of how each looked at about the time this happened.  how about just reporting the facts, including the self-defense claim by zimmerman and the supporting information provided by witnesses.  how about the fact that at best zimmerman is only part caucasian and that he has african american family members and african american friends and neighbors and that he and his wife tutored black children.  

      there is no character assassination of Trayvon Martin.  but who he was may factor into what happened that evening in the same way that some are quoting Zimmerman’s past brush with the law as a factor to consider what happened that evening. 

      another thing is the piling on.  why is it ok to falsely “savage” — your word — a living person?  it has been the MSM, DOJ, Rev Sharpton, Rev Jackson, former Gov Bush, Rick Santorum, Spike Lee, the Miami Heat, thousands of people demonstrating in the streets, the New Black Panther Party offering a $10G bounty for Zimmerman’s arrest, even a comment by the President of the USA all marshalled against one man.  

      What happened to innocent until proven guilty; due process; the rule of law?  the undue pressure that is being placed on this investigation is scary.  what do you think will happen if the special prosecutor comes out and says that zimmerman was justified in shooting  the young man? do you think the special prosecutor will be completely objective?  or will she be guided, tainted, influenced by the politics of what is going on around her?

      if it were the other way around, a black man killing a white kid, i would be just as concerned that the truth and not a convenient narrative won out.  the fact that there is racism in the world does not justify the snow job that is being piled on zimmerman just because the young man, who was killed in this case happens to be african american. 

      there was a case in NYC some years ago where some young black and hispanic youths were railroaded into confessing that they savagely raped and injured a white female runner in Central Park. as it turned out, the rapist was later to be found in a jail in nystate, identified by DNA . It is never good to allow public sentiment and outrage to run a police investigation.

      Everybone in me that rails against injustice and roots for the underdog is aroused in this instance.   

      • PPAA

        “manipulation by the media to create a false narrative or at least one that is woefully one-sided. ”
         
        Bullshit. If the media was doing their job a month ago, they would have made a bigger stink out of this completely mishandled investigation. The photo was the one given to the Media. You conservatives like to blame the Media for everything.
         
        “there is no character assassination of Trayvon Martin.  but who he was may factor into what happened that evening in the same way that some are quoting Zimmerman’s past brush with the law as a factor to consider what happened that evening. ”
         
        More complete BS from you. The background of the victim is irrelevant. He was walking down the street doing absolutely nothing. His background meant nothing when he was chased down and shot. There is complete character assassination by the police as they now try and cover their ass.
         
        However, the shooters background is relevant, as it shows a history of violence and denial.
         
        “another thing is the piling on. ”
         
        What a completely lame statement by you. Without the protests and comments absolutely nothing would have been done regarding this travesty of justice.
         
        “What happened to innocent until proven guilty; due process; the rule of law?”

        If people did not protest, the family did not question things and the media did begin to follow this more closely there would be no due process. The police did a terrible job and let this guy go.

        “if  it were the other way around, a black man killing a white kid”

        In the case there is no way that the police would not have charged the shooter.

        “Everybone in me that rails against injustice and roots for the underdog is aroused in this instance.”

        Yeah, it is clearly you are an apologist for Zimmerman and could care less about the actual victim. You think Zimmerman is the victim. You  are insane. 

    • KenoshaMarge

      What you apparently need is to think the worst of people who don’t agree with you politically. That ugly fact is on you.

      What people are pointing out is that the facts don’t support the evil Zimmerman out gunning for a black kid to shoot. Perhaps we should wait until an investigation is complete to make up our minds.

      What many are saying is that the media and the left howling like a pack of vigilantes is not the way things should be done. I know that trial by media is common in this country but that doesn’t make it right.

      A dead 17 year old is a tradedy. Instead it is now a media, and political circus. That’s just wrong.

      • CathyInKs

        “A dead 17 year is a tragedy”.  I agree and would like to add those who cry “racist” prematurely and without facts to support this are like the “boy who cried wolf” so many times that one day when the “real wolf” was there no one believed him.   Accusations of “racism” in this country are flung about like “communism” was back in the 50s and 60s.  Joseph P.  McCarthy destroyed lives and careers with his irresponsible and criminal witch hunts.  Has “racism” become the “McCarthyism” of our times?

        • KenoshaMarge

          I think you’re on to something. It could very well be.

        • FLDemFem

           I am sure that Obama and his race baiters would like that to be the case. But, unfortunately, those of us who are old enough to remember McCarthyism know better. And racism and communism are radically different things. Racism was/is inherent in American society, communism isn’t. And those of us who are not racist don’t like being called racist. We resent it and the use of racism as a political tool. For years we have worked to diminish racism and its effects. Now here comes Obama, pulling out the race card and using it to political advantage. That is an insult to everyone who ever worked for civil rights, black or white.

  • PPAA

    LJ,

    I was waiting for you to write this post. Not a surprise. This post and your Fluke post really says it all about you LJ.

    Blame the victim. Reminds me a lot when people say that a rape victim deserved it because of what she was wearing. Another case of the police trying to cover their ass by leaking all this immaterial garbage.

    You are completely missing the point. It is all about how the police investigated this crime. Imagine if the shooter was black and the victim was white? Do you think the “Stand Your Ground Defense” would have prevented them arresting a black guy if he was the shooter? No way. The lead homicide detective did not buy Zimmerman’s story and wanted to bring manslaughter charges on the night of the incident, but was overruled.

    By the way why doesn’t the “Stand Your Ground Defense” also apply to Trayvon Martin? He was the one being followed by a strange man with a gun (he had it holstered and apparently it was in view), who by some accounts was chasing Trayvon. Trayvon could have just as easily been the one who felt threatened for his life and had to defend himself.  Who exactly is covered by “Stand Your Ground”?

    The reality, according to the police recording, is that Zimmerman did not have to follow Trayvon. He was even told by police to not follow Trayvon. Do you think if Trayvon was white that Zimmerman would have followed a kid who was doing absolute nothing?  No way.

    By the way Zimmerman has a white father and a hispanic mother. Does that fit your definition of a “wetback”?

  • ObamaDubya2ElectricBoogaloo

    HAha, where’s PPAA on this one? Poor Win43 is left slugging this one out by himself.

    Here’s the problem:
    1) That Zimmerman is a racist who specifically left his home with a loaded  gun with the intent on killing a black man, that’s going to be very difficult to prove, if at all.

    2) Would the race baiters like Sharpton and Jackson be content with a manslaughter 2 or negligent homicide charge? Doubtful.

    Unfortunately, there is no good resolution to this case because outside of a first degree murder conviction with death penalty consideration, the race baiters won’t accept anything else and will be seen as an injustice.

    But that’s race baiters for you.

    • PPAA

      1) Zimmerman, a 28 year old manchild with anger problems and violence issues in his past carrying a gun stalks a teenager while in his car.

      At what point did Martin escalate this in a way that forced Zimmerman to get out of his car and enter an altercation with Martin?

      It is  literally stretching things to try and find a way for Zimmerman to escape responsibility for what he did.

      2) It is completely BS to call people seeking justice and talking about race, as “race-baiters”.

      • FLDemFem

         If they are so concerned about justice, then why is there no outcry from them over the white boy who was attacked on his own front porch and set on fire by two black kids? That was racially motivated. Why is all the concern about whites being prejudiced against blacks and nothing is said about blacks being racists too?

        • mumphrey

          Well, when the police departments where these things happen pick up the people who did it and then let them go without even looking into the story much, then I’m guessing you’ll see a lot of people talking about justice.

          • FLDemFem

            The police applied for an arrest warrant for Zimmerman, for second degree homicide and manslaughter. It was denied by the state attorney who has convened a grand jury. So the police had no choice but to release him. It wasn’t their call. Too bad you didn’t get all the facts before you started badmouthing the police.

        • PPAA

          A complete strawman from you.

          There is a very big difference between that case and any other case. The police are looking for the accused in that case and if they find the criminals they will be prosecuted. In the Trayvon case the police did not even do their job. The lead investigator wanted to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter, but was overruled.

          • FLDemFem

            That wasn’t the point I was trying to make. Two black kids set a white kid ON FIRE and where is the outrage from the media, or Sharpton or Jackson? Nowhere to be found. It’s the outrage at the racism and the action  itself that I say is lacking, not police action. It’s the double standard that I am decrying. It seems to be fine for blacks to be racist against whites, but not for whites to dislike blacks. Funny, isn’t it? Racism is ok for black people but not for whites. Personally, I don’t care for racism from anyone. And I don’t like the automatic assumption that blacks cannot be racist or that it’s ok for them to be racist because of slavery or some such BS.

      • Hokma

        Considering you wrote this only 2 hours ago and significantly more evidence contrary to your Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson race baiting crap has come out, your comment is now old ignorance.

        Jackson and Sharpton’s  behavior as usual is deplorable. And when it is over and they are shown to be wrong they never have to apologize to anyone after willfully inciting street anger.

        This will not be any different than Tawana Brawley, the Crown Heights Riots, the Louis Gastes incident, and the Duke Lacrosse scandal.

        • PPAA

          Actually Jackson’s and Sharpton’s actions are completely justified and good for them for putting the spotlight on this. They want justice, as many in America want. They want the police department to do their job.

          • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

            Another mind reader…seriously PPAA you don’t speak for me and don’t ever get the idea that you do!

          • Hokma

            THEY WANT JUSTICE?

            SHOW ME THE FRIGGIN LINK WHERE THESE TWO SOBS EVER APOLOGIZED FOR THEIR RECKLESS HATE MONGERING IN SITUATIONS LIKE DUKE LACROSSE FOR INSTANCE.

            GO FOR IT OR GET LOST!!!!!

        • KenoshaMarge

          Jackson and Sharpton need to beat the racist drums at every opportunity. If not, they are irrelevant. And that’s sick.

      • Popsmoke

          What a bunch of nonsense….

      • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

        Are you his therapist.  It’s funny how you think you know Zimmerman.  

        Another Ali Hom.

        • KenoshaMarge

          These assclowns who do pop-psychology always think they know how someone else is thinking. 

          Seeking justice? Bullshit. Seeking another club to beat the fauxrage drum about racists who may or may not exist in any given situation.

  • MissMalevolent

    It is not surprising that once again, the post racial President is inserting himself, once again, into a discussion about race. This is his bread and butter…this is how he continues to gain political favor with the black community all the while doing nothing for us on the whole.

    Black folks start grumbling about how things are the same or worse, here is yet another racially charged story we can all bond together with the do nothing President to distract.  Obama is just trying to flash his bona fides for blacks while living a “white man’s” existence.

    I hope one day soon black folks wake up and realize that Bush II is just the same as all the rest, and start voting their conscience and their pocket books and not cause “he seems like a real brotha.”

    • FLDemFem

       What Obama doesn’t seem to realize is that blacks are 12.5% of the population. That isn’t that big of a voter base, especially if you have managed to alienate the 70+% white voters with your obvious bias against them. It hasn’t helped that his wife seems to rarely find white people to have her picture taken with. Over 90% of the people in photos with her are black. And now, he has managed to also alienate the Hispanic voters, they would be about 15% of the population. So, how is he going to win the next election with 12.5% of the vote? Even with some few loyalist from other races, it won’t win the election for him.  He seems to think he can belittle, insult,  and defame people and that they will still vote for him.  He is not only delusional, he is stupid.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Saxon/500073609 Ryan Saxon


    If true, this changes the conventional wisdom narrative dramatically. Zimmerman not only has a stand his ground defense argument, but he also has a self-defense argument.”

    Yeah, he has a stand your ground defense after following Martin.  It’s an absolute wonder the intelligence community let you go Larry.

    • Popsmoke

       And you did what for a living?

    • jrterrier

      according to zimmerman’s statement to the police, zimmerman was returning to his car when Martin came up behind him and confronted zimmerman. so, whatever the original provocation, at some point (if the zimmerman statement is correct), zimmerman withdrew and martin confronted him.  at this point, no harm, no foul. 

      even if zimmerman had followed martin, that doesn’t give martin the right to punch zimmerman on the nose or throw him to the ground.  the police report states that zimmerman had a bloody nose and blood on the back of his head and that this shirt and back were wet with grass stains (as if he’d been on the ground, which is consistent with witness statements).  at that point, zimmerman has a right to defend himself. 

  • Flop_Flipper

    The death of this young man is indeed tragic. Even more tragic is the hoopla and nonsense being spoken about the motives for his killing.  I don’t know this Zimmerman character. But from what I can gather he is not a racist. He might be an overzealous policeman wannabe or he could have other issues. I don’t believe that he shot Trayvon because of his race. There are no indications that he would act that way. His actions instead demonstrate someone that cared about all races.

    This despicable sideshow being put on by Obama, Congress, Sharpton, Jackson, Spike Lee and the Black Panthers is shameful.  It’s a political ploy to promote racism when there is none. A desperate attempt at election rigging. Worst still, more will soon be coming to a political theater near you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

    To win43 who pretends to be an attorney & yet claims that racial profiling isn’t something that is only applicable to governmental agencies (i.e., that private people can be guilty of racial profiling):

    Here is how the Federal Government defines “racial profiling” in the “Guidance Regarding the Use of Race By Federal Law Enforcement
    Agencies” that was issued by the U.S. Department of Justice in 2003
    states:

    “Racial
    profiling” at its core concerns the invidious use of race or ethnicity
    as a criterion in conducting stops, searches and other law enforcement
    investigative procedures.
    It is premised on the erroneous assumption
    that any particular individual of one race or ethnicity is more likely
    to engage in misconduct than any particular individual of another race
    or ethnicity. Racial profiling
    in law enforcement is not merely wrong, but also ineffective.
    Race-based assumptions in law enforcement perpetuate negative racial
    stereotypes that are harmful to our rich and diverse democracy, and
    materially impair our efforts to maintain a fair and just society.

    And, since you are obviously lying about being an attorney, so the above may be too difficult for you to understand, here’s a wikepedia link (yes, wikipedia is crap, but it is good for someone with your intelligence:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_profiling

    Please not in the wikepedia defintion:

    Racial profiling refers to the use of an individual’s race or ethnicity
    by law enforcement personnel as a key factor in deciding whether to
    engage in enforcement (e.g. make a traffic stop or arrest). The practice
    is controversial and is illegal in some nations.

    So, now you provide me with ONE law that states a PRIVATE CITIZEN can be guilty of racial profiling. Just ONE prohibiting a PRIVATE CITIZEN from engaging in “racial profiling.”

    • win43

      LOL… and you keep saying “guilty,” which just illustrates how poorly you understand this.

      Get this through your skull: of COURSE laws prohibiting the conduct by government officials speak of racial profiling in terms of conduct by government officials. Your reasoning there is circular.

      Now get THIS through your skull: whether or not a private citizen is prohibited from doing something isn’t relevant to what the thing is called. I’ll just copy my censorship analogy from above, since you have yet to respond to it:

      “A good analogy is censorship: the government can’t censor you without punishment, but a private citizen (say, a blog moderator) can. Just because the mod isn’t punished doesn’t mean they didn’t censor you, though. Similarly, just because Zimmerman isn’t liable in any way for profiling Martin doesn’t mean he didn’t profile him.”

      You get it, dummy? Zimmerman (it appears) used Martin’s race as a proxy for being “suspicious.” That’s (it appears) racial profiling. It makes zero difference that what Zimmerman did isn’t illegal. It doesn’t HAVE to be illegal for it to have a name, and the name is racial profiling.

      You should really stop, because you are making an absolute fool of yourself. This is worse than when you couldn’t spell “hearsay.”

      • Hokma

        “Zimmerman (it appears) used Martin’s race as a proxy for being “suspicious.”

        You assume this because there is evidence to the contrary but like most left wing flamethrowers why wait for evidence when we can concoct a political story for ourselves at the expense of the truth.

    • win43

      And in case you want to circle back to your (hysterical) “term of art” thing:

      A term of art is a word that has a specialized meaning in a legal setting. A good example is “conversion.” That has one meaning in ordinary usage, and a different specialized legal meaning (it’s more or less the tort of theft, FYI).

      “Racial profiling” is NOT a term of art. It means the same thing to the general public that it means to lawyers: making assumptions based on a person’s race that they are more or less likely to engage in criminal conduct.

      And, as I’ve said, it’s illegal when the gov’t does it but not when a private citizen does it.

    • win43

      Hey Hank… having decided that I’m tired of you calling me a liar, here you go. Personal info covered up, because hooray for internet anonymity.

      Cheers, pal.

      • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

         Nah, he’s just tired of wasting breath and typing on a vacuous twit.

        • win43

          LOL, right. I bet that’s it.

          • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

            We’re all tired of Win43′s racism.

        • PPAA

          Whenever you are getting your ass handed to you after you have written a ridiculously stupid post you always say the same thing. “I won’t defend my views because the one doing the push back is [enter personal insult]. Truly lame from someone running a website to express his personal views for the world to see.

      • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

        Seriously?  So what.  That has about as much credibility as Obama.

        LOL!

      • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

        Seriously?  So what.  That has about as much credibility as Obama.

        LOL!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

         The very definition of racial profiling is concerned with using race for conducting stops & searches & you somehow think that it still applies to private citizens and not only governmental agencies. So I’m guessing you think private citizens can violate the 4th amendment as well. All that drivel you wrote below while I actually went out & had a nice time IRL was the exact argument that I would expect from a non-lawyer — insisting that something that only has context in a particular setting like racial profiling (btw, that is *exactly* what a legal term of art means) can be applicable to private persons. Now the term can certainly be misapplied to describe the conduct of private persons — and your argument demonstrates exactly how it is so misused — but an actual lawyer would know the difference and not insist that people “calling” something racial profiling & in fact misusing the term somehow changes the very essence of the term. You can puts some cats in the oven & call them biscuits, but they aren’t.

        • win43

          Hank, you’re pretty bad at this. Sorry.

        • win43

          I mean… 

          “something that only has context in a particular setting”

          That’s just gibberish. That doesn’t even mean anything. A term of art is a term that has a different meaning in a particular setting than it has in ordinary usage. Racial profiling doesn’t.

          By all means, let’s keep this going. At this point you’ve become extremely entertaining.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

    Larry, please post a picture of a stick in the right-hand corner of this blog & require all who post here to at least be as smart as the stick. That should keep win43, PPAA, et al out of here at least. 

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    Based on the information that I’ve seen so far:

    1.  Zimmerman seems to be a bit of an obsessed nut.
    2.  Trayvon certainly isn’t any angel.
    3.  The only single living person that knows the whole story for sure that we know about is Zimmerman.
    4.  Whatever the truth really is makes no difference whatsoever to those who wish to use this tragic incident to further their own agendas, whatever those agendas might be.

    So I guess that I’ll have to wait for the results of the investigation if, indeed, those are ever made public.  

    • Hokma

      Zimmerman was appointed by the neighborhood. The obssessed stuff is from the media.

      There were witnesses and they are beginning to leak out.

    • PPAA

      1. You are right. Zimmerman called police about black being in the neighborhood all the time. He seems to be a classic paranoid vigilante.

      2. It is irrelevant whether Trayvon had a few typical teenager quirks about him. He had no criminal record. No record of violence and was doing absolutely nothing other than walking down the street.

      3. Actually there are quite a few witnesses as well as two recordings of events. The lead detective did not believe Zimmerman’s story and want to file manslaughter charges, but was overruled. That is huge that the lead prosecutor did not believe Zimmerman’s story.

      4. Some times agendas are important. Sometime they will get rid of stupid laws like “Stand Your Ground”, which has likely caused more violence not less. Sometimes they will help to educate people on racial profiling. Etc.

  • c_e_s

    FBI Stats for 2005 (most recent data)

    Murders among strangers:
    W on B: 4.1%

    [drum roll....]

    B on W: 17%

    Where’s the outrage, indeed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

    First, WTF clearly stands for “Winning The Future.” (TM Obama 2012).

    Second, a person is innocent until proven guilty unless Teh Precious is up for re-election. 

    • Popsmoke

       I thought that WTF meant Western Task Force…. Silly me….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W6RLFUOLWP23SJ5RQHENEPHKME David L

    Just finished listening to the police statemant that the voice screaming for help, was in fact Zimmerman.  An EYEWITNESS TO THE FIGHT, stated that a man wearing a hoody was on top of a man in a red sweater, Zimmerman was wearing a red sweater, Treyvon was wearing the hoody.  The witness left the scene to call 911 from his home , when he heard a shot and looked out. Zimmerman was standing over Treyvon.   I think that Zimmerman is going to be a free man when all is said and done, and the facts are all laid out.  Greasy Al, and Hymietown Jackson won’t have any reason to hang out in Sanford Fla..  These two fine upstanding examples of human garbage will have to find another venue for their venom >>

    • PPAA

      “voice screaming for help, was in fact Zimmerman. ”

      There is no proof of that? There are several eyewitnesses with conflicing statements.

      End of the day it was Treyvon that was being followed by a strange guy with a gun. Even if Treyvon was fighting Zimmerman, he had every right to defend himself from a vigilante.

      • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

        Where’s your proof you have a brain?  Is it in the same drawer with Obama’s records?  

  • Popsmoke
  • antielitist

     More criminal behavior from the NBPP.

    While a huge swath of the media and political elite calls for the
    arrest of George Zimmerman without waiting for all the facts to come
    out, there is other possible criminal activity taking place in Sanford,
    FL, that deserves scrutiny. As J. Christian Adams points out at
    PJMedia.com, the New Black Panthers’ “dead or alive” cash bounty offer
    for Zimmerman probably crosses several criminal lines:

    Let’s start with solicitation to kidnap. In announcing a reward for
    the seizure of Zimmerman, the New Black Panthers may have violated
    Florida Code 787.01. It makes it a felony to “by threat, confining or
    abducting, or imprisoning another person against his . . . will without
    lawful authority with intent to . . . terrorize.”

    Merely soliciting someone else to do this is also a felony in Florida under Florida Code 777.04

    It doesn’t end there. As Adams points out, Florida law makes it a felony
    to unlawfully seize somebody as a mob, or “at the behest of a mob.”
    Again, solicitation to commit this crime is also a crime. It’s a felony,
    too, to interfere with the administration of government with use of
    force – and yes, again, solicitation is a crime.

    However things turn out in Sanford, the situation with Martin and
    Zimmerman was a tragedy. What turns that tragedy into even more of an
    outrage than it otherwise would be is the cynical and exploitative
    reaction to it by those who would make political hay out of it – and, in
    the case of the New Black Panthers, do so in possibly criminal fashion.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/27/New-Black-Panthers

  • antielitist

     

    The most infuriating thing to me about this whole incident is the
    cynical, maniacal, tyrannical way BO injected himself into it by saying
    “If I had a son he would look like Trayvon.”

    Translation – Trayvon and he are both black.

    Subtranslation – blacks are a down-trodden minority and deserve restitution.

    If he had stopped with “If I had a son I would feel the same way his parents must be feeling” that would be fine.

    But no.

    It was a manufactured crisis.

    The event happened February 14 – 5 weeks ago. His crew has been
    brainstorming the best way to use it and when.  I think they jumped the shark.

    Reminds me of how Stephanopoulos asked the contraception-gate questions way back in February – setting the stage for Ms. F*uck.

    BO is the most evil person I have ever seen. But this is going to
    blow up in his face. Hispanics will not put up with this assault on one
    of their own.

    Let the race wars begin. The sooner the better. They will lose, big
    time and then the country can pick up the pieces and continue in a more
    sane even-handed way.

    • win43

      “Let the race wars begin. The sooner the better. They will lose, big time and then the country can pick up the pieces and continue in a more sane even-handed way.”

      …These are the flies you attract with this kind of honey, LJ.

      • antielitist

        You are right. My apologies.

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    I notice that Zimmerman is routinely described as a “white Hispanic.”  I wonder why President Obama is never described as an African American white?  Both are somewhat correct in a technical sense, although in Mr. Obama’s case this description does not include his Arab heritage.  Perhaps a more accurate description of Mr. Obama would be an African American Arab white.  Or maybe even a  black Arab white.  Gene Roddenberry, where are you when we need you to settle these things?  

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

      He’s only “routinely described” as white Hispanic since it came out that he was Hispanic — if the MSM could have continued just describing him as white, they would have. Unfortunately, the mug shot looking picture they were using for Zimmermann (next to the picture of 10 year old Trayvon) caused people to take a second look & it blew up in their face.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Saxon/500073609 Ryan Saxon

        The police report described Zimmerman as white. Not everything is an evil conspiracy.

  • foxyladi14

    jmo he should have said nothing.let the law and courts do the work.

    • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

      But does a police report noting he’s white make it so?

  • jrterrier

    Win43 you are making assumptions that Zimmerman thought that Martin was suspicious because he was black.  maybe he thought he was suspicious because he was indeed acting suspiciously. 

    zimmerman had made nearly 50 other calls to 911 in the past year; none of the other calls ended in a violent confrontation.  do we know the race of the other suspicious people? 

    at the same time, apparently there had been a rash of break ins in the community and the suspects were young black men.  if race played a part, it may have been because it was relevant and not because zimmerman was racist.   

    • win43

      “maybe he thought he was suspicious because he was indeed acting suspiciously. ”

      How? Zimmerman’s own 911 calls don’t describe any actual “suspicious” actions, or any actions at all beyond walking down the street.

      “zimmerman had made nearly 50 other calls to 911 in the past year”

      Right, including the one about the (black) 9-year-old.

      “if race played a part, it may have been because it was relevant and not because zimmerman was racist.”

      So racial profiling is okay, now? Good to know.

      • jrterrier

        no, racial profiling is not ok.  but if the description of a suspect is that the person is a blonde female, then looking for blonde females is not racial profilin. 

        you are making assumptions.  zimmerman said on the 911 call that he was acting suspicious and looked as if he was high on drugs.  perhaps he equated one with the other.  the fact that he didn’t describe what made him suspicious doesn’t mean that there weren’t things that made him suspicious. 

        • win43

          He described how he “looked” to Zimmerman — did he describe him DOING anything? Loitering, looking in windows, etc.? No. He was just walking down the street.

          Tell me the difference between walking down the street and walking down the street “suspiciously.”

          • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

            Gosh, are statistics racist?

            Blacks seven times more likely to commit crime according to federal statistics. (Examiner.com)

            Even Van Jones couldn’t twist this one in Huffy Poo (2005)

          • win43

            Veronica: yep, the stats are what they are.

            So should the police start following ALL young black men around, whether or not they’re doing anything illegal? Is that what you’re saying?

          • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

            To Win43 below- paranoid much?

            Martin vs  Zimmerman is not your test case and this blog is not your personal court room.

            The asinine questions prove you think you know more than you really do.

            Ali Hom  is what you are.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

           A private citizen can’t be guilty of racial profiling — it is a legal term of art applicable to governmental entities only. A “lawyer” like win43 should know that.

          • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

            We’ve had several “lawyers” on here over the past years…they all think they sound more intelligent than they are, their posts are evah so intellectual, and they end up making azzes (read: useful idiot drone) of themselves every time.

            They should just cut the BS, make a statement that everyone here is racist (the liberal answer when losing the debate), and shut up.

          • win43

            LOL, you’re the best. No, racial profiling is not a term of art. It’s just a regular old term. Nice one, though. LOL.

            It’s also not something you can be “guilty” of, FYI. It’s just something you do. LOL.

          • win43

            Haha, this one made me laugh so hard that I had to “like” it. Wow, LOL.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

            WRONG AGAIN WIN43!!!!! The term “racial profiling” and the prohibition against racial profiling is ONLY applicable to the government & it’s agencies. Show me one case or law on the books where a PRIVATE CITIZEN has been found guilty or can be found guilty of “racial profiling.” You are a liar and no matter how many times you say something doesn’t make it true.

          • win43

            LOL, Hank, I swear… okay, I’ll walk you through it:

            First off, you want a word other than “guilty.” That’s a criminal-law word, and racial profiling is not and never has been criminalized. I suppose you could say “liable” — because there’s a possibility of s.1983 civil liability for violations of the constitution by gov’t officers — but even there, it’s inapt for most situations. So let’s get that “guilty” strawman knocked down right away.Okay: racial profiling by government entities (generally meaning law enforcement) is unconstitutional, it’s true. And it’s also not prohibited to private parties, because the constitution generally doesn’t apply to private conduct.

            Next: racial profiling is NOT a legal term of art; it’s not a term with a specialized legal definition. It is what it is, and everybody understands what it means. It’s a general concept, not a legal one (there may well be laws prohibiting it on the books, but that changes nothing in this analysis for obvious reasons).

            Finally: just because it’s not punishable when private citizens do it doesn’t mean they CAN’T do it. A good analogy is censorship: the government can’t censor you without punishment, but a private citizen (say, a blog moderator) can. Just because the mod isn’t punished doesn’t mean they didn’t censor you, though. Similarly, just because Zimmerman isn’t liable in any way for profiling Martin doesn’t mean he didn’t profile him.

            Next?

      • jrterrier

        “Right, including the one about the (black) 9-year-old.”

        where did you get this info?  haven’t seen the story. 

        • win43
          • mumphrey

            There’s something that a lot of people seem hellbent on not understanding here, which is that a lot of us aren’t calling Zimmerman a racist.  I know I’m not.  My guess is that Zimmerman is most likely not an active, willful racist, but that, like most of us, he suffers from a kind of latent, unknowing, untinking, unwilling racism that makes us unreasonably fearful of young black men.  I’m sure this is something that affects me; I try to be aware of it so I can fight it better.  Racism surrounds us, but it is, as I said, a kind of hazy racism, not the official, institutional kind of Jim Crow or slavery.

            Anyway, my guess is that Zimmerman is no more racist than most people, which is to say, not too racist, at least not consciously.  So the complaint is less about some racist vigilante shooting black people because he hates them, but that the police department chose not to look into this at all.  If there’s any racismin this case, it’s that the police department fell prey to the latent racism that values black Americans’ lives less than others’.  That is to say, we’re more saddened than angry at Martin’s death itself, but a whole hell of a lot angrier than sad about how the police just didn’t seem to care about Martin’s death to do anything about it–other than to check MARTIN’S background and whether HE had been drunk or high.  It’s the institutional racism that upsets us, not Zimmerman’s marginal personal racism.  For my part, I see Zimmerman as needing some kind of help more than anything.  It strikes me that he’s kind of obsessed, and I wonder what other problems he might have.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

         You’re the nob who keeps claiming he is a lawyer, right? Yeah — then you should know that only the government (and its agents) are not allowed to do “racial profiling” — the standard doesn’t apply to PRIVATE CITIZENS. Dumbass.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/355NZSQ5KXLSGEJARE6XIFIPRE yahoo-355NZSQ5KXLSGEJARE6XIFIPRE

    The most important point here about Obama is that he should have kept his mouth shut…..period. He did not need to say anything.

    • foxyladi14

       yep

    • PPAA

      Bullshit. Obama had every right to say what he did. He was asked about it by a reporter. His comments were completely on the mark.

      • morris1030

        Obama has no more hard evidence than we have, and this is a politically stupid thing to do.

        Taking sides against an Hispanic man we have no hard facts about yet is not astute.

        • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

          Problem with PPAA’s statement is that Obama is supposedly the president for ALL Americans.  When he comes out and makes azzwipe statements re: Gates vs the police officer and now this little gem of race baiting…he alienates the majority of Americans.

          12% of the population doesn’t deserve any more consideration than the rest of the 88% yet in Obama’s narcissistic world that 12% is all that matters.

      • Sabinal

         i’m with ppaa on this one…and I usually dont agree with Pres. O… I was expecting a “Zimmerman acted stupidly” remark, thus starting a civil war btwn blacks and hispanics. Maybe he learned his lesson the last time (or at least someone whispered in his ear to not say that this time)

      • Sabinal

         i’m with ppaa on this one…and I usually dont agree with Pres. O… I was expecting a “Zimmerman acted stupidly” remark, thus starting a civil war btwn blacks and hispanics. Maybe he learned his lesson the last time (or at least someone whispered in his ear to not say that this time)

      • stodghie

        i call bs on your comment ppaa. only way those comments are on the market is to incite violence and racial hatred.  ty NOT

    • morris1030

      Yes, and he  inserts himself into the fray without having any evidence, and puts himself into positions he should never be involved in as president.

      • Anthony_1

        It’s part of the re-election campaign. Whitey needs to be scared shitless to speak up, lest he be characterized as RACIST!!!

        Might’ve worked in 2008, but nobody’s buying that line of BS this time around

  • KenoshaMarge

    Both Obama and the obamamedia need to do what any half way intelligent person does, wait until they know the facts before running their mouths.

    They didn’t. They won’t. Smart people keep minds open and mouths shut. That lets these assclowns out!

  • Popsmoke

    Facts!!! What facts???? Why let facts get in the way of a good ole Capitol Hill Presser…. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/27/trayvon-martin-family-arrives-on-capitol-hill/

    • Hokma

      How right you are.

      • Popsmoke

         Yooou agreed with me?! Forget the coffee I better get a new pot!

        • FormerLiberal9

           Skip the coffee for me.  When I agree with you I will say so.

  • DianaLC

    Well, now I know.  I’ve been worrying that O would have to upgrade the summit a bit on this one–thinking maybe a vodka or tequila summit.  Perhaps this time they’ll all get togher and smoke some weed.

    • DianaLC

      All I know about my message to my sons was this:  Don’t put yourself in situations that will get you hurt or in trouble.  Why didn’t he give a different message?  Oh, I remember now.  Bill Cosby was vilified for trying to get a different message out to AA parents.

    • Anthony_1

      Nah, go big – Crackpipes for everyone!

    • FLDemFem

       Given that Zimmerman is part Cuban, it would have to be a Cuba Libre summit.

  • sassysyl

    Like I said before, POTUS didn’t know George Zimmerman was part of the Hispanic voting block he needs to win Florida before he shot off his mouth that, “if he had a son, he would look like Trayvon”.  There goes the Hispanic vote under the bus if the New Black Panthers lynch George.

    And who woulda thunk that Obama’s male progeny prototype would sport a gold grill, tats and smoke weed? Did he “do a little blow” too?

    • DianaLC

      sassysyl,  see my comment above about whether he would have wanted his daughters to date Trayvon.

      • Sabinal

         oohhh…good one

      • Sabinal

         oohhh…good one

    • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

      Classic:  Zimmerman is a registered democrat!   Cosmic justice!  Not to mention a Cosmic sense of humor!

    • Roger Elder

      That comment “if I had a son he would look like” just comes across wrong to me. It just has racial overtones all over that statement. I can’t imagine Bush, Clinton, GHW, Reagan, Carter… etc. saying something along these lines. Then again I remember this president saying something to the effect that he didn’t look like the president on the dollar bill… then again not too many people I have ever met look like George Washington to start with. Maybe he needs a new deck of cards. The old ones are… well they are getting old.

  • win43

    An unarmed black kid got shot by a self-appointed neighborhood watchman who thought he looked “suspicious.” If you don’t think Martin’s race — whether Zimmerman was white, Hispanic, or even black — had anything to do with him getting labeled “suspicious” and followed around when doing nothing but walking down the street, then I don’t know what to say to you.

    I agree that the facts are unclear. But in Obama’s comments, he was careful to say we need to get all the facts. He called it a tragedy (does anybody dispute that?) but did not criticize the police, or even Zimmerman. He didn’t comment on the facts at all.

    I think it’s fair to recognize the racial implications of this case, and I think it was wise not to withhold comment on the facts. And I don’t see anything in Obama’s comments other than those two things.

    • Anthony_1

      “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon”

      Maybe me too, for all I know (I was no slack in the ’70′s).  But I’m not the POTUS, so if I say that, it won’t be interpreted as a call to arms.  Get it now? 

      If you truly agree that the facts are unclear, then you have no right to say that this was a hate crime.

      • win43

        I’m not saying it was a hate crime. And it’s ridiculous to interpret what Obama said as “a call to arms.” There’s a vast middle ground here you’re ignoring. 

        It’s a tragedy that clearly implicates social stereotypes about young black men. It’s not some sort of us v. them thing, though, and I don’t think Obama made it that. You can acknowledge the tragedy, and the sad persistence of the stereotype, without calling for a fucking race war or whatever you think he’s doing.

        • Anthony_1

          If you can’t see the calculation and psychology behind Obama making that statement, then you deserve to be as fucking clueless as you’re making yourself sound

          • win43

            Maybe. You see cynicism where I don’t, I guess. He was asked a question, and he answered honestly. 

            I personally think it would have been cowardly to duck the racial angle completely. But this seems like one where we just aren’t going to agree.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MCA6QIPPR3EXRQRYL3MVYJSKLQ Joe

           …He Answered Honestly… ???

          YHGTBFKM !

          This is the guy who says one thing in the teleprompter and another thing when he thinks the mic is not on.  EVERYTHING this guy does has some political calculus.

          The ONLY thing you can trust about hiznibz is that you can’t believe a word he says.

          …answered honestly… LMAOWTIME !

      • DianaLC

        My question to O as a reporter might be something like this:  “And since you don’t have a son, would you want one of your daughters to date Trayvon?”

        • win43

          Ugh.

          So if he wasn’t an Eagle Scout, it’s okay that he got killed? I don’t get the point of your imaginary question.

          • DianaLC

            win43–you’re being willfully obtuse. I am old enough to have smirked when I watched my parents’ generation watching Guess Whose Coming to Dinner. I am saying that Obama’s choice of what crime (one better left to local authorities just as the incident with Gates was) is always race specific. How many Latino, white, Asian kids have also been killed on our streets for some reason? Has he ever said anything like that to their parents–how their sons are the same age as his daughters? We have a crazy schizophrenic in AZ go on a rampage. He’s white, so obviously he was a right winger because only those people do hate crimes, so Sarah Palin is blamed–anyway that seems to be part of the implication of this on Obama’s part. O needs to come to grips with the fact that there are young blacks acting pretty badly as well as young whites–that’s what I meant. No kid should die like that, but then–I just don’t see my own kids putting themselves in harm’s way like that either. From what I read, there was a reason for a neighborhood watch in the comunity. My kid would not have been allowed out in it.

            I am implying that all the young people ending up dead in America indicates there is something wrong in America, but it is not necessarily about race. It also doesn’t mean that all the kids ending up dead were innocent angels, and more innocent if they are of a certain ethnic background.

            O should have kept his pie hole shut on this. His response was directed to the parents of the boy. They are now out for Zimmerman’s blood–I want to know how they raised that boy. Do they have some blame also? I can’t imagine that the wounded head and grass stain on the back of a man indicates that Zimmerman was the only one at fault and that it was a hate crime.

          • win43

            Diana: so what you’re saying is Trayvon Martin had it coming, so we shouldn’t care?

            Okay then.

          • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

            Given the path Trayvon was on with school suspensions, screwdrivers and jewelry in the backpack, marijuana, graffiti on the school, etc, etc, etc, he’d would have fit right in at the Chicago School of Thuggery – with Bill Ayers as headmaster and Obama as graduating class speaker.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MCA6QIPPR3EXRQRYL3MVYJSKLQ Joe

         Does that mean an Obambi Jr. would have GOLD TEETH ???

        Malia only has braces… why should boys have all the fun!

        • Anthony_1

          Obambi Jr might even be (gasp) White!!

          Let’s not forget those rogue recessive genes he got from his Mother

      • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

        Win43 – that is your opinion and ONLY your opinion.

        Plus – What’s this crap about Zimmerman’s race doesn’t matter but Martin’s does?  

        You want to conveniently forget Martin’s actions, history, No_Limit_N**** twitter name, and all the other markings that make this far more complicated than just a case of another black youth being hunted down.  

        Ever heard of the Law of Attraction and the Law of Cause and Effect?  Probably not.

        • win43

          The Law of Attraction? Seriously?

          Not the kind of thing to bring up in a conversation if you want to seem credible, FYI.

          • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

              

            Better find out what it is…

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

       It is difficult to see when one’s head is firmly planted in one’s ass.

      • win43

        How am I wrong? What did Obama actually say about the facts of the case, and/or why doesn’t it matter that Trayvon Martin was black?

        • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

           So your argument is that “Hispanics” have a thing for killing blacks without reason.  That’s the racial implication?

          • win43

            No, not at all.

            I think that if Trayvon Martin had been white instead of black, and otherwise doing the exact same thing, it’s far less likely that Zimmerman would have made the 911 call or followed him. 

            From that point forward, we simply don’t have a good picture of the facts. A lot seems to have happened after Zimmerman started following him, and that stuff has nothing to do with race. It seems wrong to me to say Martin got shot “because” he was black — I think that goes too far.

            But I do think the fact that Martin was considered “suspicious” in the first place has something to do with race. And it seems obvious that this would not have happened if Zimmerman hadn’t thought he looked “suspicious.”

          • win43

            The thing I want to make clear is that I don’t think Zimmerman’s race matters, at all.

            Martin’s race does, though.

            And it should go without saying that this would be equally tragic if Martin was any other race. That doesn’t mean race doesn’t matter.

          • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

             So if it is black killing black then what is the issue?  You are making this about race.  Trayvon was not some Rhodes Scholar running family errands. 

          • win43

            Larry:

            “So if it is black killing black then what is the issue?”

            The issue is that ANYBODY would think “young black man = acting suspicious.” That kind of subconscious profiling is troubling no matter who does it.

            I don’t know why you insist on making this one group vs. another group. It’s not black v. anything — it’s just being black in America.

          • Popsmoke

            I actually have a problem with this and it has nothing to do with race nor the specific law nor whether Zimmerman was acting properly…

            It has to do with people operating as a crime watch, armed and playing cop ….

            Other than that let the Grand Jury make its decision based on the facts …

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1429578258 Cerry H Klaver

            So then by your argument, Hispanic men in hoodies don’t look suspicious to a neighborhood watchmen, if Hispanic men have been caught in the past robbing in your neighborhood ??  Only black men do.   Just so I’m clear.  

          • Hokma

            I have to agree again with Popsmoke again.

            Neighborhood watch groups should not be armed with anything more than flashlights, pepper spray and a cellphone.

            One of the more infamous watch groups is the Guardian Angels. They were never armed with anything more than their ability to fight. The same went for the old Jewish Defense League in Brooklyn a long time ago.

            The alternative is the neighborhood higher a professional security company.

        • DianaLC

          In response to your response to Larry below:

          Do you think that maybe it had to do with the fact that there had been a number of burglaries in the area, and that was why Zimmerman was concerned. 

          The report about what was found in the kid’s backpack earlier does give us–after the fact–reason to believe that he might have been activing suspiciously, and his behavior has nothing to do if he’s black, white, yellow, or blue (I’m still thinking of Mel in Braveheart).

          Suspicious activities were going on in that neighborhood.

          What gets me is that we get these public outcries when an AA young man is killed by a person of a different skin color, but when the killing is black on black, crickets from the AA bigwigs.  What?  Are all those black young men prejudiced agains themselves?  And if I remember right, the statisics of black on black violence are higher than for white on black.

          • win43

            Yes, there had been burglaries in that neighborhood. Do you think George Zimmerman followed EVERY young man he saw walking down the street in that neighborhood?

            If not, why pick Martin?

    • jrterrier

      abc had an interview with a young boy (maybe 12 or 13),  who was walking his dog at the time.  the boy said the person with the red shirt was on the ground.  by the way, zimmerman was the person with the red shirt. 

      the boy with the dog, who supports zimmerman’s story is black. 

      the neighborhood is 40+% black.  zimmerman has african american relatives. 

      not everything is about race. 

      • win43

        You’ve almost perfectly captured my point:

        “not everything is about race.”

        To that, I’d just add this: but some things are.

        I think a lot of the things that led to Martin getting shot were probably not about race. But why was Zimmerman following him in the first place?

        • jrterrier

          Pres Obama sure picks his comments.
           
          A couple of weeks ago an 8-year old was burnt by some 15 year old kids, who threw gasoline on the 8-year old as he was trying to enter his house in Kansas City.  the boy was white; the thuggish kids were black.  http://www.kshb.com/dpp/news/local_news/mom-wants-answers-after-her-son-is-severely-burned-at-neighbors-house
           
          Over the st patrick’s day weekend, 49 people were shot in Chicago, among them a 6-year old black child.  http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-emanuel-0327-20120327,0,6307392.story
           
          In Mississippi, last weekend a white college student was shot in his dorm room by some young men, wearing hoodies who happened to be black.
           
          this weekend another young man was shot in another MS college.
           
          http://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-rt-mississippi-shootingl2e8ermn0-20120327,0,4395571.story
           
          i could go on.  a search on the internet will disclose hundreds of other cases more deserving of presidential attention.  when all the evidence is out, Trayvon Martin may have been a thug; or he may have just been an angry young man who got ticked off at Zimmerman for butting in his business.  the witnesses that have come out don’t play this as the crime against humanity that is being played out on the MSN. 
           
          the overwhelming percentage of murders of african americans are committed by other african americans.  same goes for white on white murders.  any issue in america today can be distorted and sensationalized by shoddy journalism or opportunistic outrage (i’m not including the young man’s parents in this).  but it doesn’t help any of us.
           
          Why did the President choose to comment on this one case and the comment wasn’t even to calm the anger or fears?  Why should this case be more deserving of federal intervention than any of the other murders that take place in america every day.  the 8-year old who was burnt seems more deserving to me.  Makes no sense. 

          • win43

            Which of those events was he asked questions about by the press?

        • jrterrier

          on the 911 tape, zimmerman said he was following him because he was acting suspiciously and looked as if he was high.

          zimmerman had called 911 about 50 times in the past year.  maybe he thought anyone who didn’t live in the neighborhood was suspicious.  over 40% of the neighborhood population was black so this isn’t a lilly white neighborhood where a black teenager might look out of place to a person inclinded to be suspicious. 

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1429578258 Cerry H Klaver

          Perhaps because there had been drug busts in the neighborhood before.  And Martin was walking around in a downpour to a 711 two miles away. 

          • win43

            It was a “downpour” now? LOL, okay. Next thing you know, you’ll be saying Martin’s Skittles were a grenade.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1429578258 Cerry H Klaver

            LOL.  You completely blew off the part about the crimes in the neighborhood before.  No surprise.   The fact that the other watchmen had told ABC news that there had been DEA busts previously.    The neighborhood’s office manager said that Zimmerman had helped them catch someone in the past that ended up in an arrest and conviction.  
             
            You are the only one who keeps focusing on race.  And by your defense– anytime an AA is arrested while wearing a hoodie, then it means that he was targetted because he was black.  

            It’s obvious that you don’t live in the inner city.  

          • win43

            Your reading comprehension isn’t very good.

            “And by your defense– anytime an AA is arrested while wearing a hoodie, then it means that he was targetted [sic] because he was black.”

            What? I assume that when a young black man is arrested while wearing a hoodie, it’s because the police had probable cause to make the arrest.

            That does not mean that Zimmerman had any good reason to be following Trayvon Martin around. Martin was not breaking into a house. He broke no laws. He wasn’t doing ANYTHING.

            The fact that there had been 8 burglaries in the last 15 months (according to the PD), and that the suspects were generally black men, does not give a good reason to follow every young black man you don’t recognize around. That’s idiotic.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1429578258 Cerry H Klaver

          Since you’re so big on the fact that a question was asked of Obama by the press….  might this be a set-up for Obama to divert from the 2o-year anniversary of the passage of Obamacare????   

          As seen on the video, a few mins before the press conference began, Josh Earnest of the press office approached the NBC reporter (a Journolist member) and whispered something into his ear.  Later that NBC reporter asked the first question about Trayvon.  

          Sounds like a set-up to me for Obama to exploit the issue, which he did.

          • win43

            aaaaaaaaand you’re a crazy person. 

            Nice to know there’s one fewer to whom I should bother responding.

    • BronwynsHarbor

      Uh-oh.  It never works out well to begin with a set of assumptions and then go searching for facts that will fit.

      Win, you’ve mucked up this entire thread with your assumptions — notably your incendiary assumptions that this just had to be a racist incident — and keep asking questions after everyone else points out how your thinking is, well, not very logical, and you haven’t read any of today’s newspaper reports.

      • win43

        You know, I honestly am not convinced Zimmerman was a racist. I think the circumstances are strongly indicative of unconscious prejudice, but I don’t think that makes him a “racist.” I think it makes him, sadly, pretty normal.

        • Hokma

          “unconscious prejudice”

          Hahahahahahahaah!!!

          Did you just make this up or did you copy from one of those loony Daily Koz Kidz?

          • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

            Win43 is just full of judgement and CONJECTURE!

        • CathyInKs

           win43 would you classify yourself in that “sadly  pretty normal” category?  Since you’re delving into the world of the unconscious I cannot help but think about what the great Carl Jung said about “the shadow” and about “projection”.  Those disowned parts of ourselves that we consciously don’t want to recognize – “our shadow” – we tend to project onto convenient targets and others so we don’t have to acknowledge these undesirable traits in ourselves.  Perhaps you and others like you harbor a great deal of “prejudice” that you don’t want to look at in yourselves.  Kind of like the preacher who rails against “whores” but secretly consorts with prostitutes. 

          • KenoshaMarge

            Nailed him to the wall Cathy!

            • CathyInKs

               Thanks KenoshaMarge.

        • KenoshaMarge

          Oh dear Dog not the “unconscious racist” bullshit again.  Of all the crocks of crap coming from the left this is by far, JMO, the worst. You get to say that we are racist but we don’t even know we are racist.  How convenient.

          You are one bigoted POS. You are not only annoying, and long winded, arrogant, and WRONG, you are nuts! (Sorry I don’t have the pop-psychology term for that at the tip of my tongue keyboard but I just don’t care enough to look it up.)

    • Hokma

      Why let facts get in the way of a political agenda, or – in the case of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton – money in the bank.

      Zimmerman was not “a self-appointed neighborhood watchman.” He was appointed by the neighborhood.

      “who thought he looked “suspicious.”  – neighbors saw this kid and contacted the homeowners association who told them to contact Zimmerman.

      It is not fair to recognize racial implications because there were none. Zimmerman’s friend who is black and a news reporter there said Zimmerman is not a racist at all.

      What you and your lib friends ignore is the fact that the reason they have a neighborhood watch is because that neighborhood has experienced a lot of break-ins and robberies.

      What is also being found out is that Martin was not this little innocent kid. He was 6’3″ tall and had been suspended from school multiple times. It appears Martin was the aggressor and was pummeling Zimmerman. A punch to the face is one thing. Banging someone’s head against the sidewalk can kill him.

      One more thing, Zimmerman’s friends Joe Oliver (the black reporter) who knows a lot of facts but won’t release it prematurely, intimated in an interview that there might have been a struggle for the gun. In other words it is possible (underscore the word possible) that Martin reached for the weapon when he saw it on Zimmerman. The reason I say that is because we do not know what exactly happened and should wait W-A-I-T – something the bottom feeders like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton did not do.

      We saw this with Tawana Brawley – with the Crown Heights Riots – with the Duke Lacrosse case – and with the Louis Gates incident – - – a certain group of flame-throwing race-baiting Black leaders abuse terrible situations for their political (and financial gains). The same goes for the Black caucus in Congress who are a bunch of hate mongers who get elected based on instilling fear and victimization.

      As far as Obama and his thug AG Holder – their response has been deplorable. Obama should have kept his mouth shut or simply said it was a local matter. Instead he once again inserted himself and helped fuel greater racial tensions – the same thing he did with the Louis Gates affair. The his AG decides to insert himself by investigating this as a hate crime with no shred of evidence to support that other than the fact that Martin was Black and Zimmerman was White. But are they investigating the Black Panthers for putting out a bounty on Zimmerman’s head? No. Like with voter intimidation in Philadelphia under Holder the Black Panthers are free to break the law any way they can.

      Obama and his supporters were trying to use this for political reasons and it will backfire on them big time.

      • win43

        Is there evidence that neighbors actually did call Zimmerman in this case? I had read that the HOA had at one time told members to call GZ if they couldn’t reach the police, but not that any actually did in this case.

        That would be a pretty key fact, so please let me know if true.

        • Hokma

          “Is there evidence that neighbors actually did call Zimmerman in this case?”
           
          Yes. When Oliver was interviewed he mentioned that. It was apparently already out in some media.

          I think there is a lot more and it would be best to just wait till the FL special prosecutor does their job.

          I will say that I understand how upset Martin’s parents are, but their actions and support of Sharpton and Jackson is not helping their son’s legacy.

          Should Zimmermanm have had a gun? Not in my opinion but there is no law against it. Typical neighborhood watch groups do not carry weapons.

          • win43

            Link to what Oliver said? I’m looking and coming up empty.

            • Hokma

              You won’t believe this but not everything is on the worldwide web.

              Oliver was interviewed on the tube a number of times so there should be something eventually.

      • beachnan

        Thank you Hokma for being a voice of reason, in a sea of absurdity by win43. 

  • HELENK2
    • Anthony_1
      • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

        Would anyone want to aspire to be a Treyvon protester?  Let alone wear a blatantly racist and *snicker* wrong t-shirt!!!

        LOL!  

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W6RLFUOLWP23SJ5RQHENEPHKME David L

        I swear, I can actually see the stupidity dripping off the t-shirt wears face !!!!

      • beachnan

         Pathetic and ridiculous.

      • FLDemFem

         Just imagine the reaction if someone substituted Obama’s face and the N word for cracker. Firestorm in an instant. But this is fine. Disgusting, just disgusting.

  • Anthony_1

    Now Larry, who said that anyone is playing the race card?

    You know full well that the white man was wrong – this is all about hate and bias.  And lord knows, white people are the only ones who engage in such things.

    Things have gotten so out of hand that Trayvon’s mother had to buy a copyright to his name, so people would only use it reverently.

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/trayvon-martin/cracker-tshirt-759832

    Al Sharpton will soon be an Avon Lady if this keeps up…..

  • Popsmoke

    We worry about terrorists? Go figure…. 

  • MarkFtLaud

    Larry,
    Well said.   Typical of these racists and Emptysuit is trully a piece of shit making matters worse.  I did not here Obama say the poor white college kid mowed town in his Miss College Dorm by 3 black guys was his son.  What about the 10′s of young blacks dead in the last few weeks in Chicago.   What we are reading down here in the Florida newspapers was this “kid” was in fact a thug and thieve.  Let the facts out…just like the Duke lacrosse team.   There is a term for this> Lynching.

    • Anthony_1

      Interesting that Henry Louis Gates and Trayvon Martin both crossed his lips, and others are never mentioned.

      When all the facts come out, Al Sharpton will be selling Avon

      • KenoshaMarge

        Not a chance. He’ll be back at his gig on MSNBC ranting and raving about all them racist Republicans.

        • Anthony_1

          Oh yeah – I forgot about Rev. Al’s Racebaiting Family Hour…..

          • KenoshaMarge

            If only we all could. His stupider remarks show up online from time to time. If they all did they would be higher than his ratings.

      • foxyladi14

         or vacuum cleaners.  LOL

        • Anthony_1

          He would suck more than they would.  Not a single sale with those.  I’m all for him being an Avon Lady

    • win43

      “Typical of these racists and Emptysuit is truly a piece of shit making matters worse.  I did not hear Obama say the poor white college kid mowed down in his Miss College Dorm by 3 black guys was his son.  What about the 10′s of young blacks dead in the last few weeks in Chicago.?”

      You guys DO understand that Obama’s comments about Martin were a response to a press question, right? And that Obama does not control what the press asks him?

      It doesn’t make a lot of sense to criticize a guy for not answering questions he isn’t asked.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1429578258 Cerry H Klaver

        Here’s a more appropriate answer from a POTUS who chooses not to dump verbal gasoline all over a situation:  ”This is a tragic situation for everyone involved.  Since we do not know all the facts yet, I am urging Americans to withhold judgement and refrain from retaliatory actions until the investigators have finished their reports.  It is most important until this time that we maintain PEACE so the Trayvon’s family and friends can deal with their grief.”

        BTW, selling Obama hoodies to remind the electorate that he believes that Trayvon was murdered by a roving racist and/or was ignored by a racist police force … not appropriate.

        • win43

          As for withholding judgment, Obama was very clear that we did not know all the facts when he gave his answer.

          As for the rest… what “retaliatory actions” have taken place?

          The New Black Panthers are idiots, obviously. But nobody listens to them outside of the paranoid right. You have any evidence that there was or is any reason for the President to be concerned about violence?

          • Anthony_1

            “As for the rest… what “retaliatory actions” have taken place?”

            Well, here’s a good one:
            “Filmmaker Spike Lee tweeted the wrong home address for George Zimmerman, the Sanford, Fla., man who many are claiming should be arrested for shooting and killing Trayvon Martin. The tweet could have potentially put the woman who actually lives at that address in danger.”
            Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/27/paper-spike-lee-tweeted-incorrect-george-zimmerman-address-possibly-putting-sanford-woman-in-danger/#ixzz1qM5wu499

          • win43

            Oooh, an address has been tweeted!

            Batten down the hatches, America, we’re in for a bumpy ride. Addresses are going out right and left! IS NOBODY’S ADDRESS SAFE???

          • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

            Reply to Anthony_1

            Isn’t Spike Lee’s tweet akin to putting out a hit?  Why hasn’t the FBI been all over this?
            Oh that’s right…he’s one of Obama’s buddies and a donor…not to mention Hollywood connected.

          • jrterrier

            Win43, the New Black Panthers are worse than idiots according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, they are “is a virulently racist and anti-Semitic organization whose leaders have encouraged violence against whites, Jews and law enforcement officers.”   http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/new-black-panther-party

            In a charged emotional environment, even idiots and virulent racists can set off terrible events. 

          • Anthony_1

            You’re right – let’s just lynch the whole fucking block til we find Zimmerman’s house!

            Stupid ass

      • APO_AE_09173

        Horse Crap! Obama avoids answering questions all the time.  

        All the racist in chief had to say was,”I feel heartbreak for the parents.  I cannot imaging losing my daughter like that. But at this time it is very important that we allow the judicial system to properly investigate the incident. Trying this is the media is not a good idea.”

        Instead, Obama stirred the racial pot and deployed Al Charlatan to whip up the emotions.

        Where were they last weekend when yet again black youths killed black youths in DC?

        • beachnan

           Not only that, it was well reported that Obama’s press guy, went up to the NBC reporter before the press junket began and whispered something in his ear.  Funny thing, the only question asked and answered by the President was that same guy from NBC.  It was a set up.

          • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

            Yup.

      • KenoshaMarge

        Evidently you don’t have much faith in Obama’s ability to duck a question he doesn’t want to answer or that he feels answering would be inappropriate. Politicians dodge questions they don’t want to answer all the time.

        Obama answered because he thought he could score points with his base who are convinced all those on the right want to either gun down black people or see someone else do it.

        Your own bigotry is all too apparent. You hate those on the right so much you think they are capable of any evil.

        • stodghie

          who knows maybe O had the question planted to be asked. he sure had his response memorized and ready to go.