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Obama v. those women “creating havoc” * Open Thread

By Bronwyn on April 8, 2012 at 9:15 PM in Current Affairs

From the blog post, “Obama Waited to Attend Women’s Economic Forum Until Women Settled Down“:

      ”President Obama told the Women’s Economic Forum that he had waited for the women in the room, who he had been told were ‘creating havoc’, to settle down before addressing the group.”

If this was truly a legitimate forum dedicated to women’s economic issues, then I need to ask if invitations were extended to any women who represented conservative and moderate views on women’s issues. If not, why not? Well …

We all know the answer.

I hope that the women weren’t too thrilled by the invitation to the White House. They were there for show, as part of Obama’s offensive aimed at getting a huge majority of women to vote for him in November.

That’s why I’m willing to bet that there weren’t any Republican or Independent women attending that forum. Which takes us to these questions: Don’t their views on issue matter? Or must a purist group of liberal women decide their role in politics and society?

As for Obama’s opening remarks to his audience of women, his choice of words reminds me of how he invariably refers to his wife Michelle when he is speaking off the cuff. He always mentions that she lets him know about his shortcomings. He describes his mother-in-law the same way.

Doesn’t he get it that even when he is attempting to make a JOKE about women, it is — well, I’m trying not to over-react — it is a tad demeaning?

His “jokes” are just a slightly more modern version of terms like “the ball and chain” and other descriptions that men have used to describe their wives, mothers, and mothers-in-law.

And his frequent descriptions of the behaviors of women in his life make him come across as weak-kneed, not to mention rather afraid of the power that he perceives that women have over him.

Of Note: The video was spotted by an observant Daniel Halper at The Weekly Standard. Imagine that. A conservative man had the sensitivity to spot Obama’s insulting remarks to the women in his audience.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mary.cusack Mary Cusack

    Santorum dropping out

    • Flop_Flipper

      Finally. And I really think that he decided his family was more important. I actually listened to most of his speech and thought he was a class act in the way he left. I wish him and his family the very best. And especially, dear little Bella.

  • BronwynsHarbor

    HI ALL!  

    Under “News You Can Use”:  PPAA is on the blacklist.  Again.  Let us know if there are any sightings.  TY!  (And probably another Obamabot will come along any time now … this is EXACTLY what they did in 2008 too.  

  • HELENK2

    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/unemployment-obama-texas-wedel/2012/04/09/id/435236

    so backtrack about that job you were going to help me find?????

  • HELENK2
    • Flop_Flipper

      Isn’t this totally ridiculous. These people are obstructing justice and intentionally interfering with those whose duty it is to protect and serve. A city with any self respect would throw these criminals in jail.

  • HELENK2

    if backtrack is supposed to be a friend of women, we really do not  need any enemies.
    just what we need a male with an overblown ego and mommie problems

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    I wonder why Mr. Obama doesn’t just run on his record of achievement in supporting women’s causes during his term as President?  Why focus on a suppposed “war on women” of his opponents?  In 2008, Mr. Obama said that when a candidate has a record of achievement, he runs on it.  If he doesn’t, he focuses on his opponents. 

    • PPAA

      Actually, it is women themselves that are reacting to the GOP’s war on women. Have you heard Obama ever even mention the ”war on women”? Women themselves are organizing against the GOP right across the country.

      Obama will run on his passing of the Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which is the most significant women’s rights legislation to be passed in a generation of which 98% of Republicans voted against it. He will also run on his very good record of appointing women to positions of power. Obama has been very good for women. 

      • Flop_Flipper

        Obama has been very good for women that don’t mind being used and abused.

        • PPAA

          Now you are just insulting the majority of women in this country. Not a surprise.

          • Flop_Flipper

            I speak the truth. If that insults someone then so be it. You have no idea who I am or what I have done to help and support women throughout my life. You are just an Obot idiot looking for any excuse to demean someone that hasn’t been reformatted. Head back to the hell that spawned you, asshole.

      • Retired_from_SPOnaj

        Hey, great!  Do you have any video on Obama running on the Ledbetter Fair Pay Act?  He just spoke to a group of women.  Surely he expounded on how the Ledbetter Fair Pay Act was the most significant women’s rights legislation to abe passed in a generation.  We know that he expounded at length on the “war on women,” so you can spare us that video, we’ve seen it.

      • NoQuarterUSA

        TEST

  • HELENK2

    http://freebeacon.com/down-the-hatch/

    violations of the Hatch Act by backtrack’s bunch

  • PPAA

    Another post will zero substance.

    Bronwyn what exactly is your point?

    Obama is killing Romney by 18 points in 12 key swing states with women.

    ***

    “The USA Today/Gallup poll shows President Obama with a 49%-45% lead nationally over Mitt Romney, but signs of Obama’s increasing momentum are evident in a poll of 12 swing states (Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin). Obama leads Romney in the swing states by a 51%-42% margin.

    However, women are the driving force behind President Obama’s momentum. Women in the swing states support Obama by a 2-1 margin. Sixty percent of women under age 50 supported the president. Mitt Romney’s support with swing state women under 50 has dropped 14 points in one month. Among all women, Obama leads Romney by 18 points. A recent Pew Research study also showed Obama leading Romney by 20 points with women, 58%-38%. Healthcare was a top issue for women in both polls.”

    “Since 1972, no presidential candidate has received 60% of the support of women. The gender gap in this country has been growing for decades, but from 1996-2004; women supported the Democratic nominee at a rate of 54%, 54%, and 51%. Fifty six percent of women supported President Obama in 2008. Obama has gained a net seven points with women since 2008. Most telling is the fact that 43% of women supported John McCain in 2008, but today only 30% of women support Mitt Romney.If Obama maintains his current pace, the support he receives from women will be a record.

    The early results of this war have been nothing short of disastrous for Mitt Romney. His decision to pander to the Republican base instead of leading his party and speaking out has cost him mightily with female voters. Romney’s infamous promise to get rid of Planned Parenthood was concrete evidence that Mitt Romney was happy to step to his party’s front lines and lead the attack on women.

    From a strategic perspective, Romney doesn’t have the personality and communication skills needed to reverse the negative views that women hold about him. Romney also lacks the strength and moral core required to stand up to those in his own party who are advancing an agenda of misogynistic barbarity. Republicans made a fatal error when they decided to declare war on women. Instead of sitting back and taking it, women have mobilized and are ready to fight for all of our rights.
    Republicans mistakenly believed that they could revive the culture wars and divide the nation by targeting women, but the war on women isn’t just a women’s issue. It is a civil rights issue. It is a national issue, and it is an issue that impacts us all. The right underestimated women, and men such as President Obama who are willing to lock arms and stand side by side with them in this battle. Women are rewarding Obama for his support by rallying around him at historic levels.

    The Republican Party’s war on women has managed to push females out of the party, and make women more determined than ever to assert their power and reelect President Barack Obama.”

    • Hokma

      Zzzzzzzzzz. . . . . 
      Today is April 9.
      April 9 is not election day.
      Ipso facto any poll now is irrelevant.
      What can be said is that these are the very best numbers Obama will ever see again and Axelgrease knows it.

      • DianaLC

        Isn’t it funny how PPAA is the expert on what constitutes “substance” lately?  That now seems to be his/her/its favorite new word.  (By the way, I am leaning more and more toward using just the “its” because it reacts just as an automaton, I can’t even believe it is an android or robot–obot or otherwise.  I have too much respect for Lt. Data.)

        • PPAA

          Where actually is the substance in this post and what exactly is Bronwyn trying to say? You should teach Bronwyn how to write. How to get to the point? or to spell-out what exactly is trying to be said.

          • Hokma

            The point is that Obama’s pandering won’t get him anywhere anymore because his track record is horrific.

          • DianaLC

            The substance of Bronwyn’s post is lost on you entirely because your automaton machinery is not open to receiving it.

            Try to concentrate and comprehend:  A big part of hee point is that Obama talks down to liberal women who allow him to use them and then joke about them.  He doesn’t invite conservative woman since they won’t giggle and swoon in silly high school girl fashion at his weak jokes about them and instead KNOW that he IS a joke.

            Her post did not call for your silly responses touting some poll after another.   We are well-read people on this site (with the exception of you) and we do, whether you think so or not, check both sides of any issue. 

            I am very sorry, I do not find any terrible problem with Bronwyn’s writing–especially no terrible misuse of verbs, the main element of any sentence.  I understand her posts very well.

            The fact that you have trouble with them I think reflects more negatively on you.

        • Flop_Flipper

          Assdroid seems a close description. A hemorrhoid that speaks.

      • PPAA

        That 18 points lead with women in key states is a very big mountain for Romney to climb, even if he has 6 1/2 months to do it.
         
        Actually, as the economy continues to improve, the numbers are likely only going to continue to improve for Obama. Particularly as Romney has no actual message, other than a weak one on the economy.  What possibly could Romney say to all those women to convince them to vote for him? Women are only starting to get organized against him and the GOP.
         
         

    • Retired_from_SPOnaj

      What a waste of time, replying to a post with zero substance with such a lengthy response.

    • Flop_Flipper

      I’d say that you have lost your mind but then I would have to assume that you had one to begin with. And there is no concrete proof to support the proposition.

      All one needs to do is look at and listen to Ann Romney to know that Mitt doesn’t have any problems with women.

  • foxyladi14

    he thinks he is cute.

  • Flop_Flipper

    This should stir up some shit. James O’Keefe set up a situation where someone went into a polling place and requested a ballot using Eric Holder’s name and address. He offered to show an ID and the poll worker said he didn’t need one. The poll worker asked him to sign the book and offered the ballot. No evidence supporting voter fraud my Independent patriotic ass!

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/04/09/Okeefe-Holder

    • DianaLC

      I hope that person took the ballot and voted all Republican in Eric Holder’s name.  (On the other hand, I don’t want that person arrested for voter fraud.)

  • Flop_Flipper

    This is an awesome RNC ad. This is the way to beat the guy, using his own words.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BvwBBjZo87g#!

    • Anthony_1

      Excellent!  Maybe his new campaign slogan could be “A Mouthful of Promises; A Pocketful of Lies”?

      • foxyladi14

         good one.Anthony.

    • BronwynsHarbor

      Thanks for posting this, FF.  I’m going to put it up in a post.

      • Flop_Flipper

        My pleasure. Can hardly wait for the Obot response. Should be great fun.

    • DianaLC

      The thing that struck me is just how darned insulting he is toward people who don’t vote for him.  The implication is that we’re all imbeciles, while the imbeciles are the people who still listen to him and think he is a smart honorable man.

  • KenoshaMarge

     Another Obamacrat worshipping fool.

     Nasty Joyless Behar mocks Sarah Palin

    A nasty Joy Behar on Wednesday appeared on MSNBC’s Last Word to attack conservative women such as Sarah Palin and Nikki Haley. Talking to the ultra-liberal Lawrence O’Donnell, Behar mocked, “Shouldn’t [Palin] be turning letters somewhere on some game show at this point? Why is she still involved in the conversation politically?”

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2012/04/06/nasty-joy-behar-mocks-sarah-palin-shouldnt-she-be-turning-letters-so

    So according to Behar, Sarah Palin, former Governor, former Vice-presidential candidate has no right to be involved in a political conversation, but Behar the nothing does? Typical of Behar the brainless.

    • elizabethrc

      Your title of Nasty Joyless Behar exposes a redundance.  She is nothing other. 
      I used to work in a studio where the manager used to play her radio show every day.  It sure destroys creativity!

      • KenoshaMarge

        You’re right. I was redundent.

        Please accept my deepest sympathy for the cruel and unusual treatment you recieved as a forced audience to her drivel.

        You could have suffered a worse fate, you could have been one of those that “chose” to listen. ((((shudder))))

        However perhaps while destroying creativity it did work as a diet aid? Look for the silver lining. ;)

    • Dolly Cain

      Behar is a loudmouthed moron.
      Even Justice Scalia, when there was a conservative majority of the Supremes,  said there  were no plans to overturn Roe V. Wade.  Why? Polls have shown the majority of Republican women don’t want it overturned.

      • Flop_Flipper

        It won’t be overturned. And if it was, I would fight to restore it. The government has NO right to tell citizens what they may or may not do in their private lives when citizens doing so directly effects no one else.

      • BronwynsHarbor

        Dolly, did Justice Scalia actually say that he wouldn’t overturn Roe because polls show that most GOP women support it?  I’m very surprised.  Justices aren’t supposed to be swayed by public opinion.  Besides, if justices were influenced by polls, the Supreme Court would have never struck down “separate but equal” in its Brown v. Board of Education ruling.

        • Dolly Cain

          It was during an interview. Basically he was giving his legal opinion.

    • Flop_Flipper

      I am no great current fan of Sarah Palin but she has accomplished something no woman ever has done before and I respect that. So what if she lost. She had the courage to fight while so many others sit on the sidelines sniping.

      O’Donnell and Behar are so out of touch with reality that even reading things they say makes me nauseous.

  • JeannieBinVA

    “Or must a purist group of liberal women decide their role in politics and society?”

    Actually, I think it’s important that NO ONE other than individual women, thinking for themselves, gets to decide “[women's] role in politics and society”.  

    Liberals, by and large, understand that. Progressives somewhat less so. But people who call themselves “conservative” (although I would argue most of them aren’t) seemingly don’t understand or accept that view at all.  

    Conservative women are just as bad as conservative men when it comes to thinking that their personal views are the only correct choices for all women, and, moreover, that they have the right to impose their thinking on all women. And their thinking (if you can call it that) is mostly based on age-old biases against women, as dictated by their religious beliefs. 

    I don’t even know what “women’s issues” means. Citizens of both genders deserve the same legal, constitutional and economic rights — for example, the rights to personal autonomy and to make our own damned health care decisions AND have them covered by the insurance we pay for, without government or employer or religious interference — and should be required to fulfill the same legal responsibilities. The only reason such things are “issues” at all is because Republicans keep harping on them and wasting everybody’s time and lots of government money (while raising lots more for their campaigns) on matters that are purely private and individual in nature.

    P.S. I agree that Obama is entirely lame on this and practically every other matter. But he at least makes a pretence of trying, which is a hell of a lot more than can be said for practically any Republican (other than, recently, Lisa Murkowski).

    • KenoshaMarge

      Just another “woman” bashing liberal woman.

       Conservative women evidently don’t have the “right” ideas or perspective. Too much like conservative men. Well bless their poor little heads for not having the brains to think the way that you do.

      Women like you are why there will never be progress. Women on the right who are the opposite side of the same coin are also the reason.

      Your views from the liberal left are just as lame as the views from the  conservative right.

      • JeannieBinVA

        I wasn’t bashing anyone, just saying that women are individuals who have the moral and intellectual capacity to determine their own paths, and that no one in the political sphere — right, left, center, wherever — has the right to impose their social or religious views on any or all women. 

        We are not “one-size-fits-all” on anything. What works for some women in any sphere of life won’t work for most other women. Thinking that it does or should is what enables things like the burkha and honor killings in other parts of the world.

        In modern political terms I am not a liberal, although recent Republican shenanigans are certainly moving me in that direction for the foreseeable future. I am rather close to classical liberalism (the forerunner of modern conservatism), which was also true of most of the Founders and the political philosophers who influenced them.
         
        If you must affix a label, in today’s terms I’m a fiscal conservative, libertarian-leaning, pragmatic independent. Also an unwavering  constitutionalist. And to me, women’s rights have always been human rights, since long before Hillary stated the obvious in Beijing.

        Just curious:  Since you apparently believe that social conservatives have all the “right” answers for women, what specific conservative person (male or female) would you allow to run your life? /s

        • KenoshaMarge

          I don’t believe that ANYONE has all the “right” answers.

           You were the one that said that Obama at least tries to understand women’s issues. Seriously? He tries to get their votes.

          Not bashing? Bullshit! I quote:

          Liberals, by and large, understand that. Progressives somewhat less so.

          But people who call themselves “conservative” (although I would argue most of them aren’t) seemingly don’t understand or accept that view at all.  

          As for your cheapshot about who I would allow to run my life? Not a conservative, not a liberal and sure as hell not the damn government.

          • Dolly Cain

            Amen. You go girl!

          • Flop_Flipper

            I am constantly amazed with how some people try their best to put words in our mouths, interpreting what we say as if that is the fact.  In some ways I feel sorry for them because their brains were never really given the opportunity to fully develop.

            Yours is a run it up the flagpole and salute type of response. I commend, respect  and thank you.

          • Anthony_1

            Reminder:  “Don’t fuck with Marge!”

            I was about to quote that exact same sentence and throw it back to hear the spinning sputter of drivel that is sure to come 

          • JeannieBinVA

            Does your brain always get up on the wrong side of the bed, or are you deliberately misreading what I write out of some perverse dislike for me today, in particular? 

            I didn’t say Obama tries to understand women’s issues, I said he makes a pretense of trying — HUGE difference.

            I also never said liberals had the right answers for women. Everything I wrote repeatedly said exactly the opposite.

            What I did say is that most liberals — unlike most conservatives –understand that they don’t have all the answers. They also understand that women are individuals, with wide diversity in thought, capability, intention, and action; and they accept and applaud that diversity of thought, etc.,  instead of trying to tamp it down or channel all women into one narrow little path.   

            Speaking the truth about conservatives, or anyone, is not “bashing”. If you can’t see that today’s “conservatives” are out to control the decisions, restrict the lives and eliminate the rights of every American woman, you haven’t been paying attention. Or you just don’t care.

            (They call themselves “conservatives”, but IMO they are not conservative at all, given how much power they want government to have over selected groups of citizens — women especially, but also gays and  minorities.)

            My first thought when reading your first reply to my comment was, What’s her beef with me?, and I still don’t get it. Whether you will acknowledge it or not, you and I actually agree on my main point, which is that no one should have the right to impose their views, religious beliefs or life choices on women or citizens generally. 

            Instead, you’ve focused on my secondary point that liberals tend to be open-minded about people’s individuality, and conservatives tend not to be, both of which are not only the dictionary and textbook definitions of both groups, but also amply demonstrated by 99.999% of all the evidence concerning socons, in particular, over the past several decades.  

            It occurred to me that you may be confusing the term “liberal” with “progressive”. FYI, they are 2  different (albeit overlapping) groups with 2 different modes of thought. Progressives tend to be almost as bad as conservatives in thinking they, and they alone, know what is best for everyone else. That mindset has never been the hallmark of true liberal thinkers. 

            You also missed my indication of “sarcasm” (/s) following my so-called “cheap shot”. Please have some more coffee or whatever it is that gets you  on track.

          • KenoshaMarge

            No room for a response to your comment below ya so will put it here.

            When you say that

             ”most liberals — unlike most conservatives –understand that they don’t have all the answers”

            you are, whether you will admit it or not, bashing conservatives. That would by definition include conservative women. Or maybe in your world calling people to dumb to know they don’t have all the answers isn’t an insult. In mine, it is.

            When you say

            ” Conservatives  are out to control the decisions, restrict the lives and eliminate the rights of every American woman, you haven’t been paying attention. Or you just don’t care

            I cannot take you seriously. I don’t “like” such hyperbolic remarks.

            It isn’t that I don’t care, or that I don’t pay attention, it’s that I don’t believe what you said. I find it very dispiriting that you evidently believe such drivel.

            I’m on track quite nicely. I did miss the s/. So I absolve you of the cheapshot. My bad.

            I don’t “dislike” you. But I sure “dislike” a lot of what you said and what you apparently believe. It divides us and makes us less effective.

  • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

    Well, this woman is about to blow the lid on Obama’s ballot eligibility problem. But before that happens, I want everyone to understand why no ‘document’ released thus far establishes his Constitutional eligibility for office. Because this was all part of a political advertising campaign.

    RECOGNIZING when the PEOPLE INVOLVED with the PRESS ROLLOUT of PRESIDENT OBAMA’S 2011 LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AD CAMPAIGN WORE a PUBLIC v. PRIVATE HAT

    • PPAA

      Nutty stuff…  you cannot beat Obama through democracy, so you are trying to do it with this BS. It will never work and you are wasting your time. You probably lose more votes than you gain by pursuing this BS. It just exposes how nutty conservatives are. All this birther stuff has actually worked against Republicans.

      Who is paying you to promote these smears? What is the source of your funding?

      • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

         ”All this birther stuff has actually worked against Republicans.”

        And well it should. R’s, just like D’s, refuse to provide documentary evidence that was the basis for their certification to state S’soS in ballot eligibility states, the R candidate is Constitutionally qualified for the job.

        (What on earth led you to believe 1) I am a R in search of votes; or 2) I am targeting President Obama and not the electoral system which enabled his position? Oh, that’s right, you don’t actually read my work. You just spew invectives, leaving the heavy lifting of ‘fixing’ our electoral system to others, offering only inane criticism while they – we – pick up your slack.)

        • PPAA

          Funny stuff! You are not fooling anyone. I thought NQ was trying to get away from being associated with all this birther nonsense.  Keep it up!

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  • http://katzporch.com/ Ferd_Berfle

    Doesn’t he get it that even when he is attempting to make a JOKE about
    women, it is — well, I’m trying not to over-react — it is a tad
    demeaning.
    ====================
    So true… but then Barry isn’t a uniter and isn’t that combination between red and blue that he promised to be so earnestly in the run-up to the ’08 election. Indeed, the only ones who are purple are his opponents after he bloodies them with his lies and innuendo and after he willfully assassinates their character.  Anyone who disagrees with him is fair game and he will do anything to achieve a second term so he can finish this country off. One only need look at the conduct of his paid automatons to get a vague idea of what he is all about and it ain’t good, ain’t good at all.

    • KenoshaMarge

      He’s been demeaning to women from the gitgo. His treatment of Hillary Clinton in the primary was a prime example. But dimwitted women flocked to his banner.

      The image of him of the cover of Ms Magazine’s inaugural edition as “what a feminist looks like” is one that is embedded in my brain and one reason, among many, that I no longer think of myself as a feminist. If he’s one, I’m not.

      • HELENK2

         he has mommy issues big time

        • Flop_Flipper

          I’ll cut him a little slack here. First he was abandoned by his father. Then he was abandoned by his mother. I won’t cut him slack for throwing his grandmother under the bus though.

      • LindaAnselmi

        Well said Marge!!!  That was really a killer for me too on the “feminist” front!

    • BronwynsHarbor

      “…  the only ones who are purple are his opponents after he bloodies them with his lies and innuendo and after he willfully assassinates their character.”

      Great description, Ferd.  You’re correct — Obama’s forum, like everything he does, was also meant to debilitate the GOP.

    • Flop_Flipper

      The dude gives a whole new meaning to “black and blue.”

      • http://katzporch.com/ Ferd_Berfle

        Uh-oh, now you gone and done used that racist word, black, Flop-Flipper.

        Open the botbay doors, HAL.

        • Flop_Flipper

          Yep, it’s my morning double entendre with a back flip twist.

          • BronwynsHarbor

            Ohhh .. it must be heavily caffeinated.

  • HARP2

    I guess they are likable enough…right Barry ?

    • KenoshaMarge

      Once they settle down…

  • Flop_Flipper

    I would just like to mention that Mike Wallace has passed. He was one of the very few remaining real journalists left. Love him or hate him, one had to admire his passion and fearless pursuit of the truth. The guy took on everyone and that, in my opinion, is what real journalists do. It didn’t matter if someone was from the left or the right, Wallace cut through the bullshit and did so with a scowl followed by a smile.

    It’s embarrassing to admit, but I didn’t know until this morning that Chris Wallace on Fox was Mike’s son. Pretty stupid, eh? But it does explain why I’ve always liked Chris too. He had a great mentor and teacher. He’s not quite his old man but no one ever will be. We lost a great human being. May peace be with his family.

    • EllenD818

      Unfortunately Chris Wallace  did not treat his father well. I don’t think he thought of him as a great mentor and teacher.

      • Flop_Flipper

        They actually had a lot of respect for one another. Here is a video I found of the two of them at a forum offering their differing perspectives. It’s a little over an hour long but I watched it all because to me it was well worthwhile.

        http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/197821-1

        • EllenD818

          Well, I remember – it was maybe over 10 years ago that they interviewed Mike Wallace and he was very emotional saying that Chris Wallace never saw him and in fact never even told him that he had a grandchild. That brought so much negative publicity to Chris Wallace that he reconciled with his father to more publicity and to try to counteract this.

          I see that in his statement on his father’s death Chris Wallace pointedly mentioned his father’s last concerns being his grandchildren and great-grandchildren and poking a stick in CBS’s eye by saying on FOX that Mike Wallace never mentioned 60 Minutes.

          Interestingly I tried to find a reference to the original interview but they seem to have done a great job of burying it. I’m sure it’s there somewhere but it will take someone else to find it.

          Mike Wallace never got over the death of his other son, Peter, and Chris Wallace always resented the place his brother held with his father.

          • beachnan

             My sister and I still believe we grew up in different households.  She remembers things one way and I remember them another,  even though we are only a year apart.

          • Flop_Flipper

            As someone that had a contentious (to put it mildly) relationship with my father I can understand some of what Chris must have gone through. Mike really hated Fox and felt that his son had betrayed him by working there. In my own case, I was a hippie type, free thinker that challenged conventional wisdom and authority since I turned 13. This created so many problems and at one point my whole family disowned me.

            I got to thinking today about my father and I could only think of three times in my life when he said that he was proud of me. Yet, after he passed I had several people that knew him well tell me how much he did. Hell of a thing to find out after the fact.

            Regardless of the distance between them, the video made it apparent that Mike thought highly of Chris as a journalist.

          • EllenD818

            To Flop Flipper: Fathers and sons have different issues. I was a hippie art student. My father never criticized me and after he died his friends told me how proud he was of his daughters.  I didn’t think anything of it – it’s normal not to be told that sort of thing face to face in a British – based household.
            To Beachnan: If you’re talking about my remembrance of the interview -  I saw it with my husband and son who remember it the same way as we had a big discussion about it afterward.
            If you’re talking about my sister and I , I agree completely. Not only different households – different planets.