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Hilary Rosen–Moron or Clueless?

By Larry Johnson on April 12, 2012 at 8:46 AM in Current Affairs

How sweet is this? Just as the Democrats are pushing frantically the meme that Republicans hate women they shoot themselves with their own weapon. We already touched on the hypocrisy of the Obama White House in paying women less than men. The icing on the cake? Hilary Rosen goes on CNN and, with a straight face, insists that a woman who raised five boys “never held a real job.”

Holy Jesus!!! Hilary, baby, you gone brain dead?

To paraphrase Jim Croce, “You don’t tug on Superman’s cape; you don’t spit in the wind” and you damn well better not mess around with Ann.

Anyone dumb enough to think that a woman who stays at home raising two or more children is on some sort of Club Med vacation is, per Darwin’s Law, not smart enough to live very long. But Hilary’s attack on Ann Romney is worse. Ann not only raised five boys, but she did so while battling cancer and Multiple Sclerosis. Are you kidding me? There are many Republicans who are not excited by Mitt, but when it comes to Ann, they love her. Hilary Rosen, you are a genius. You’ve found the magic switch that will rally Republicans around Mitt Romney.

The Obama reelection team of Axelrod and Messina at least understand this. That’s why they were so quick out of the box denouncing Rosen as batshit crazy. But I don’t think that will stem the damage. We don’t hear a single Republican insisting that stay at home moms are deadbeats.

Fire away.

  • Flop_Flipper

    Clueless Moron.

  • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew J. Weaver

    Obama’s War on Moms

    What demographic is Obama seeking with this line of attack?  And especially as this is just in time for Mother’s Day on May 13.

    • Retired_from_SPOnaj

      I think this is part of the class envy campaign.

    • CathyInKs

       I think he’s seeking the working women votes.  Problem is they’re moms too and they don’t envy the moms who stay at home.  Many wish they could do just that.   Also working moms rely on moms who do stay at home many times to pick up their kids from school, take their kids to extracurricular activities,  pick up the slack in volunteer activities at schools and in the communities because the working moms can’t leave their jobs to do these things.  I know because I’ve been on both sides of the fence.  As a working mom, I couldn’t be a room mother, den mother, go on school field trips with the kids like I did when I was a “stay-at-home mom”.  But I was so grateful I had friends who were stay-at-home moms because they could do all these things for my kids and more! 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_B3SVE2SPTPEVDY2EFYRPHC6LMY Nappy B

       His internal polling likely shows weakness with women, hence his photo-op last week to forward the opposite message, that women are for him.  The Liberal Media, esp. CNN, took this as a cue to create a discourse on the subject, thereby causing themselves to be distracted from Obama’s econ. record and their stunning disbelief that the Obamacare plan they were tricked into supporting might be overturned.  They also took his cue on the Trayvon case and went apoplectic.   They are running on old stereotypes and categories.  It is how they think.

  • Flop_Flipper

    Larry, I hate to disagree with you but I believe this was a planned attack and that Axelrod and Messina were in on it.

    My mom raised five children, taught us to read, managed to keep the house cleaned, food on the table and the budget balanced. On top of all of that she managed to put up with my verbally and physically abusive father. It was more work than I am capable of and I’ve only known a few men in my life that have done anything comparable. And at age 77 she still works a full time job.

    • Anthony_1

      Totally agree about Axelwhore’s planned attack.  Wrote a comment about her somewhere here regarding her association with Wasserman-Schultz as well

  • JeannieBinVA

    “Ann not only raised five boys, but she did so while battling cancer and Multiple Sclerosis.” Oh, boo-hoo.

    Yes, she did all this as the wife of a multimillionaire and highly placed Mormon church leader. 

    Many, many women handle as much or more than that, with just as many health and other difficulties, WHILE holding down jobs outside the home and dealing with the added pressure of never quite knowing if their paycheck is going to last to the end of the month. 

    Next time you give Ann Romney plaudits for how hard she’s worked, at least take the time to find out how many servants and church ladies helped her out along the way.      

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

       You are a fucking idiot.  Thanks for posting Hillary.

      • Popsmoke

        Be careful here Larry… The Mormon Church is no pillar for women’s equal rights. While Ann Romney had it tough raising five boys and the Rosen slam was stupid. Some of the points Jeannie is making are valid.

        • Anthony_1

          Neither is the Catholic Church or (as Hokma points out downstream) the Synagogues.

          Please reference at least one of Jeannie’s half-assed points that was valid.
          I can’t help but notice that almost each of your comments is negative.  You don’t like Romney, you didn’t like any of the other contenders for the GOP nomination, only sometimes do you weakly disapprove of Obama…

          Tell us, Pop (before you smoke too much), exactly what and whom do you support?

          • Popsmoke

            Anthony either you are as dense as the rain forest or your neurons are misfiring. I have made my view on both Obama and Romney well known here at NQ. Yeah I am not the most positive political dude posting here. Why? Been there, it sucks and has gotten even worse since I played the game.

            So let me see if I can jump start those neurons of yours.  I do not support either of these two guys. Both are political disasters for this country. Obama is so left his left field has its own baseball stadium. Romney is nothing more than a Bush protege and really lacks ANY political and especially foreign relations experience to lead this Country.  Just like Dubya and Obama …..

            Jeannie’s statement of which I agree with is the fact that there are many men and women out there that are facing serious medical challenges and raising families  who are as not as privileged as Ann Romney and who’s struggles make Ann’s look like a walk in the park.

            So please cut the political duckspeak and change the violin tune. MS is just one of those crippling diseases out of the many crippling diseases, illnesses and occupational accidents that effect a ton of folk.

            I know I work with them….

          • Anthony_1

            Now, now, Pop – don’t fly off the fucking handle.

            Just because I called you on your constant negative bullshit is no reason to resort to petty insults (people in glass houses, etc.).

            I’ve personally not read a single positive comment of yours.  Granted, I don’t follow you to see if there were any, but to my recollection, I don’t remember any at all.

            As far as you defending Jeannie’s comment goes, I find it hard to take you seriously.

            Do you really think that having money makes it easier to have a crippling disease?  Do you not see how dumb your remark sounds?

            If you truly “work with” people who are seriously disabled, then you’ve become callous and should maybe try to be a little more sensitive to their plight.

            Money does NOT equal comfort, where illness is concerned.

          • KenoshaMarge

            Don’t waste your time Anthony.

            Ann is a “Romney’ and a “Mormon” two targets for much of Pop’s ire.

            As for Jeannie, just a waste of time.

          • Popsmoke

            Anthony… What I am saying is that Ann Romney “chose” to stay home and take care of her family.  Not because she had a crippling disease. She also did not have to worry about finances either…

            No amount of money makes the pain and suffering from any illness any different. But it can reduce stress and make things easier more comfortable for all concerned.

            Lets be real here….

          • EllenD818

            ‘Money does NOT equal comfort, where illness is concerned.”

            Anthony,  there is a third element I deal with every day – Health insurance and the ability to get it and the worry about not having it if someone in your family has a chronic illness and requires constant treatment. 
            Try having to lay  someone off when you know that with only unemployment insurance they won’t be able to afford COBRA to keep their family member treated.

            That’s the reality I deal with every day. I don’t think Ann Romney is in my world.

          • Anthony_1

            EllenD818-

            You say:

            “there is a third element I deal with every day – Health insurance and the ability to get it and the worry about not having it if someone in your family has a chronic illness and requires constant treatment.  ”

            Precisely why there is Disability Insurance and Medicare/Medicaid.

            In the event someone is disabled (and with many chronic illnesses, MS being among them, you are considered permanently disabled, you qualify for Medicare benefits via SSD or SSI.  

            If you run out of or have no resources, you qualify for Medicaid in these instances.

            If you can’t sustain a roof over your head, Social Services will help with that.

            I have a neighbor who was making about $500K per year, and was felled with a terminal condition.  He exhausted his resources, and received the benefits I described above.  

            He is still alive after 14 years, and although he no longer is able to sustain the same lifestyle he did, he has not once had to go without healthcare or found himself on the street.

            You don’t have to live in the same world Ann Romney does to understand that, and she doesn’t have to live in your world to know what other less wealthy people go through.

          • Flop_Flipper

            And Pop won’t pass any around. Pop Bogart.

          • Madame_deFarge

             Perhaps Pop is a concern troll…don’t know him/her since he/she came in while I was away.  But anytime I see constant sniping at one side while giving the other leeway…I say Democrap in disguise.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1429578258 Cerry H Klaver

          Please feel free to list more crippling diseases than MS.  You do realize that most women with MS have to go on disability, don’t you?

          • Popsmoke

            You are kidding? How about ALS? MD? HTLV-1? Lyme disease (which a relative of mine has and is very crippling)? MG? Sjögren’s Syndrome? Lupus? ADEM?

            There are many autoimmune diseases just as crippling. Its depends on the severity and the person….

        • Flop_Flipper

          And if Ann Romney had made the choice to pursue a career and outsource the raising of her children you would likely ding her on that too.

          You hate Mormons, we get it. I hate Obama. Get it?

      • JeannieBinVA

        I’m not Hilary, I’m not a fan of hers, and I actually cringed when I heard her phrase her argument that way. For a couple of decades at least it’s been PR 101 to say “worked outside the home” or something to that effect.

        As to your other comment, I assumed when you closed with ”fire away” that different POVs would be tolerated. My bad, apparently.

        • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

          JeannieB:  You’re just bitter.

          By the way, “Sheldon Cooper”,  it’s called:

          Sarcasm.

      • RebelCarol

        Whoa Larry.  I agree with what Jeannie B posted.  I had to work and raise three boys at the same time.  I didn’t have anyone to help me.

        • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

          So you worked with your choices.  Does that give you the right to demean someone else’s choices?

          • RebelCarol

            I didn’t have a choice.  Somehow, this whole discussion is getting out of control as I see it.

          • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

            RebelCarol:

            You always had a choice.  If you didn’t perceive that, then you lived with the results.

          • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

            To RebelCarol:

            This conversation is not getting out of control.

            What’s making you uncomfortable is the concept that you alway have a choice.

            When you’re used to defining yourself as a victim – which is what the dem party likes you to do, it’s hard to realize your own emancipation.

          • DianaLC

            And if she is going to demean Ann Romney about her choices.  How many “jobs” has MO had?  How was she able to get a $200,000 a year raise at one point for being put into a position for which she had no training and little knowledge because of who she was married to?

            What about Mechelle’s choices?  Let’s be fair here if we are going to attack wives of candidates.

          • Flop_Flipper

            To RebelCarol below:

            I agree, sometimes we have no other choice. We just have to do because it needs being done. Been there and done that.

        • KenoshaMarge

          Good for you. So did I. And that’s Ann Romney’s fault how?

          • RebelCarol

            I’m not saying it  is A. Romney’s fault, I’m just making the point that some of us didn’t have  financial help and we HAD to work which is what Hillary R. was trying to point out. 

            As I state above, this whole discussion is getting out of control.   

          • Flop_Flipper

            To RebelCarol:

            Did Rosen have a hard life? Was she in a financial situation where she had to make choices about her children’s health, food on the table, creditors banging on the door and all the other things you mentioned? All indications are that she has not. She is a rich person complaining that an even richer person is somehow out of touch. If Rosen hasn’t had to make these decisions she claims others must make then what life experience gives her the special insight?

            Face it, Rosen is a Dem stooge spouting preconceived talking points. Nothing more and a whole lot less.

        • DianaLC

          I am very tired of all this jealousy toward people who have it better in some regards than we do.  I guess I come at the issues differently.  I’m Christian–so I often think of the passage about “time and chance.”  Ann Romnehy landed into a family with wealth by chance.  She chose not to pursue a career and instead to raise five children.  She certainly didn’t choose her ilnesses, but she chose to handle them well.  I have never been wealthy, have never had much financial help from family, or for that matter, from ex-husbands.  But I would in no way presume to judge anyone else’s life unless the results are horrible.  Name all the wealthy woman you might have heard about who spend like there is no tomorrow, drink themselves to oblivion, have affairs, treat their own children horribly, etc., etc.

          It was just crazy to attack Ann Romney for this. 

          You can not name one person in the world that hasn’t had a differnt life from yours in some respect.  But it does not mean then that you should demean that person’s point of view about an issue as it is given from her point of view.

          On another hand, I do believe that in some way we do choose the life we are born into for the lessons that life will give us.  It’s how one accepts those lessons that is important.

          RebelCarol, I am pretty sure you are very proud of yourself as you should be about your accomplishment, but who can judge what Ann Romney has had to go through for her accomplishments? And her life of wealth certainly doesn’t mean that she can’t know anything about money and how it works.

          • beyond_words24

             Hi Diane. The way I see it you can’t take wealth with you when you move on.
            But you will certainly be remembered for being a good person and loving mother and wife.

            I hope there is a sea change someday where woman are respected for being the caretakers of the family unit.It is the lifeblood of a nation. We need more nuclear families in the world,not less – but just my opinion…

    • GleepTheDragon

       Wow…you are breathtakingly stupid.  I don’t know what kind of cancer Mrs. Romney had/has but I do know a few things about MS, you can say I’m even quite familiar with it. You CANNOT work during an MS flare up. You immediately go on disability and cannot come back to work and do things like drive a car until your doctor clears you, and no, I don’t recommend taking the L or similar public transportation either.  An MS flare up with five kids? I wouldn’t wish that on anybody…well, maybe you.

      • JeannieBinVA

        Approximately half of the Americans who’ve had MS for 10 years continue to work. Some believe the number may be even higher than that. Because many people are afraid they will be fired or downgraded if they tell their employer they have a chronic, progressive disease, they often find ways to disguise their illness as long as possible. If you disbelieve me, google it.

        MS manifests quite differently in different people, and most people with MS do not have the luxury of quitting their jobs or choosing to be stay-at-home moms.
         
        Nice of you to take time to express such kind wishes for my welfare. /s  I can only feel sorry for someone so defensive that a simple blog comment expressing an opinion different from yours can cause you to wish a deadly disease on the blogger.

        • GleepTheDragon

           Yeah, cause you yourself have so much empathy for Ann right? And you know exactly how her MS flare ups manifested themselves right? Interesting how I’m the evil defensive one but you couldn’t even give her the benefit of the doubt, especially with your asinine servants and church ladies comment.

        • Hokma

          It depends on the kind of M.S. you have and where it affects you.

          Neil Cavuto has M.S. but it did not affect certain part that allows him to walk and work.

          The first U.S. winner of an Olympic Alpine Ski medal was Jimmy Heuga. His M.S. was very aggressive and became totally disabled very quickly. In his effort to find rehabilitation he created a center in Colorado for M.S. sufferers.

          Annette Funicello also contracted a more aggressive form of M.S.

          It really depends.  

        • Flop_Flipper

          I’ve really tried to walk back my earlier comments to you. Yet each comment I read from you only makes the original point more valid. You have a problem with wealthy people. You consider them out of touch and therefore unqualified to be in any position of leadership. At least admit that.

          No one here needs to google something to understand what disease is, how it affects families, how someone may be disinclined to admit it for fear of losing a job or insurance. Most of us have likely lived full lives with a variety of experiences. I certainly have.

          I’ve been without for a good portion of my adult life. Been homeless, on the street and all that rot. But I never blamed my position in life on other people because they were more well off. Only fools and irresponsible idiots do shit like that.

          I don’t wish any disease upon you. What I wish for is the cure.

      • Popsmoke

        I know many people who continue to work part time and two who still work full time with MS. It is not easy at all but they do it. So lets be fair here….

        • GleepTheDragon

           You understand that I specifically mentioned flare ups right? And that I never said that people can’t work if they have MS? So who is being unfair?

          • Popsmoke

            It does not matter flare ups or no flare ups. There are much worse out there who are not as privileged who are suffering a worse faith. That is the point…..

          • Flop_Flipper

            Pop, there are always people that are less well off, less fortunate than others. That should not be used as a yardstick to demean or diminish the worth of those that are more fortunate. Unless they happen to be pompous asses like our President.

        • EllenD818

           Yes, they also probably need the insurance. While in theory if you were the breadwinner you might get disability it doesn’t cover health insurance for the rest of your family.

        • Hokma

          As I said above, it depends on how aggressive the M.S. is and where it affects you (parts of brain and spine).

        • Flop_Flipper

          Yes, but diseases, like people don’t come in a neat one size fits all category. Some people have a greater capacity for pain than others. Does that make some weaklings or does it mean that some have an innate greater tolerance?

          • Popsmoke

            Na…. pain is pain… Its not about tolerance as much as it being about will power…..

            But lets look at all the hub-bub about Ann Romney and the remarks. Its actually laughable. Ann Romney is part of the 1% crowd. What does she really know about economic struggles of the middle class? About as much as her husband knows about foreign relations…. ZERO……

      • RebelCarol

        Sorry, but I have worked with a person who has MS and who to this day still has a high-stressed position and during the time I worked with him, he never missed a day even when he was having a MS problems. 

        • GleepTheDragon

           And you know that Ann Romney’s MS is exactly the same because…you have a crystal ball? You’re Xenu? ESP? Please share.

          • RebelCarol

            See my post below.

        • KenoshaMarge

          Oh right, every one who has MS has it to the same degree and in the same way. 

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1429578258 Cerry H Klaver

          So MS manifests itself the same in men & women?  What is the point?  That he worked outside of the home with MS?  Did he have cancer too.  And did he take on the home duties as well? 

        • Hokma

          Again, it depends on how aggressive the M.S. is and where it affects you specifically (part of brains and spine).

          How do I know? My younger brother contracted an aggressive form of it when he was 35. And I worked with Jimmie Heuga who also had a very aggressive form of M.S. to build his rehab center in Colorado.

          I’ve seen less aggressive forms affect adults and I’ve seen young children totally disabled from it as well.

          But all M.S. is degenerative and if nothing else kills you, the effects of this will. Not too long ago, Heuga lost his battle and his life.

      • RebelCarol

        Let’s just put this whole working with MS to bed.  Ann Romney’s children were born between 1970 and 1981, she started experiencing MS symptoms in 1997 and was finally diagnosed in 1998.  Therefore, she was not raising 5 boys while suffering with MS.  Just saying, how the truth gets distorted.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1429578258 Cerry H Klaver

          That shows how much you know about debilitating diseases.  Just because she wasn’t exhibiting “major” symptoms during that time does not mean that she didn’t have it.  Most women have symptoms for years without realizing that they are symptoms of something else until the debilitating ones appear (like Ann’s did in 1997).  And she also had cancer.  Does that fit in your time-frame of acceptable criticism? 

          What I’m seeing her is an unbelievable amount of people speaking about debilitating conditions with authority like they have them.  Plus, most of these conditions were not even recognized as such (i.e., given a label) by doctors until the late 1990s.  Most of the time people were told it was “all in their heads” or worse for women, just hormones.

        • rr_ww

          You obviously have had no personal/relative experience with MS disease…:

          “Many people live years with MS before receiving a definitive diagnosis”  
          and
          “A diagnosis of multiple sclerosis can be elusive because symptoms, such as fatigue, muscle weakness, and dizziness, can be vague. Symptoms can also vary greatly between individuals and mimic other diseases. Because of these factors, a diagnosis of the condition may be delayed or overlooked”.

          In 1997, she had SEVERE symptoms…per your wiki look-up. SEVERE. And you know for a fact that she never had any symptoms while raising her kids?

          • Flop_Flipper

            There are way too many assumptions being made without basis in any factual knowledge. The logic seems to be: She is rich, so it’s no big deal.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1429578258 Cerry H Klaver

          Romney also had children while she was attending college.  According to Wiki:  ”She completed her undergraduate education through the Extension School at Harvard University with a bachelor’s degree in 1975.”

      • DianaLC

        I am so sorry you’re dealing with it.  I’ve luckily not had to deal with it.  But I watched a very inspiring woman have to deal with it and raise two kids on her own after her husband couldn’t deal with it.  She never lost her sense of humor and her ability to make everyone around her smile.  Her illness was pretty severe, and she finally lost the battle after her kids had grown up and were on their own.  MS is for some reason more prevalent here in Colorado than in most states.  I contribute each year to the big bicycle team rides to raise money for MS research. 

    • Anthony_1

      Don’t hate.  Only makes you uglier than you’ve already shown yourself to be.

      If your broke ass is:

      1) jealous of someone whose husband worked for every penny they have, or 
      2)if you have no kids of your own because your toxicity has kept men at bay or gave them cause to castrate themselves, 

      its not Ann’s fault. 

      Don’t join into the Democrat’s (and Rosen’s) war against women.

      • JeannieBinVA

        No hate or jealousy here, it’s just common sense to recognize that dealing with illness and taking care of one’s children are hard enough without the added pressure of constantly having to worry about money, too. 

        I don’t have anything against Ann Romney, she seems perfectly nice, but the fact is she has never spent even one second of her life dealing with that particular worry.   

        And why do you assume I’m describing myself at all, just because I’m aware that poor and middle-income women with children have health difficulties, too? Or did you not know that?

        • Anthony_1

          Save it, Jeannie.  That total “Concern Troll” behavior only works on dolts.

          As for why I assumed you were (are) hateful and jealous, its because you show up here to dump your hate in the most degrading fashion that I can only assume you are a bitter and hateful person.

          You reap what you sow, and you’ve got a pile coming to you.

        • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

          BS – The hate oozes in your posts.

        • KWynne

          JeannieBin,

          You make excellent points. 

          Sure, I don’t think Hilary should have made the statements she did against Ann Romney (in fact, I like Ann Romney and think she would be a great First Lady), but even so, it does not negate the fact that Ann did not have to worry about finances.  Believe, I was laid off from work and I can assure you that worrying about finances and whether I’ll find employment before I lose my house, sure takes the fun out of life!

          I don’t understand why the posters are attacking you for pointing out what appears to be the “obvious”.  There is a difference between having the benefit of millions of dollars to support you and your needs, while raising 5 boys and not ever having to worry about whether you will have enough money to pay the house bills AND the huge costs for healtcare for MS and cancer.  Would Ann Romney change places with any of the women who HAVE to work outside the home to make ends meet, while still finding time to raise their children?  I doubt it and who would!

          While I don’t fault Ann for having a successful husband, I honestly don’t see how she could possibly understand what it feels like to not have the money to have the treatment for MS and cancer and still have to work to pay the bills, while simultaneously raising your children. 

          • JeannieBinVA

            Thanks, KWynne.

            Until a year or so ago I was a regular here, but the rabid hysteria my gentle jab seems to have unleashed today reminds me of why I rarely comment any more. I’m pretty sure people used to be able to have differences of opinion here without cursing each other out. Don’t know what happened. 
             
            I don’t fault Ann Romney either, but the fact is that having to be gainfully employed to provide for one’s children is several magnitudes of difficulty greater than choosing to be a stay-at-home mom.  I don’t understand how any rational person can dispute that.  

            Maybe it’s just that I’ve known far too many working mothers who never even see a doctor for painful injuries and crippling illnesses but just work through it as best they can, because they can’t afford to miss even 2 hours of work, and certainly can’t afford to be fired. 

            Just last year, one of the guys at our local market — mid-40s — couldn’t afford the cancer treatment he needed, even with community fundraisers and his whole extended family and church chipping in what they could. He literally worked ’til he died in the hope of leaving his children provided for. I guess none of these negative commenters understand that this is reality for millions of American families.

          • DianaLC

            Would Mechelle Obama?  So why is Ann Romney being singled out.  Would Jackie Kennedy have known?  Would Eleanor Roosevelt?  Would Laura Bush?  Would Babs Bush?  My question is really why this negative press against Ann Romney?  Can’t she have had some dealing with women throughout her life to the point that she can express an opinion and not be vilified for doing so.  Usually I believe you will support women for their choices–on this one, your bias is showing.

          • Flop_Flipper

            How can you possibly know this? Are you aware of the people she has interacted with throughout her life?

            I may have problems that someone else may not have. Does that necessarily mean that that same someone else could not know what I am going through regardless of whether they ever had the same experience?

            I’ve met lots of folks throughout my life and many of them have led different paths. I am childless. Does this mean that I do not understand the responsibilities it requires to raise a child?

        • DianaLC

          And–as I ask above–if you’re going to rag on Ann Romney, take a very close look at the lives of other wives of politicians–I suggest you start with Mechelle and find out about a substantial raise in her “earnings” based on who her husband is.  And I’m not talking about her “job” as First Lady.  Go back to her years in Chicago.  Tell us who manages money better using your crystal ball into others’ lives.

          • JeannieBinVA

            Diana, it was Jesus who said it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter heaven. These words were considered so important that they were repeated verbatim in 3 of the 4 Gospels.  He also said that to be worthy of following Him, a rich person would have sell all their goods and give the proceeds to the poor. 

            So was Jesus “ragging” on wealthy people, to point out that they live vastly different lives from the poor? Because that is ALL that I have said.

            It says nothing at all — negative or positive — about Ann Romney to observe that she was born into great wealth, that she married great wealth, and that she has always lived in great wealth, with all of the ease and comfort that money can buy.  I have nothing against Ann, but it is absurd to hold her up as some paragon representing the lives of most American women, whether gainfully employed or not.

            [FYI, none of this has anything to do with Michelle Obama, but the fact is I don't care for her (or her husband), and I have never defended her on anything -- certainly not her cushy, corrupt job at that Chicago hospital, or her and her family's lavish taxpayer-funded vacations, etc.]

        • Flop_Flipper

          You certainly come off as demeaning Ann Romney because she is wealthy. The question you should be asking is: What has she done with her wealth?

          • KWynne

            Then why doesn’t Ann Romney point out that while she made the choice to be a stay at home mom, many women in America don’t have that choice because they can’t afford to?

            To ignore the elephant in the room that Ann Romney is way financially better off than the majority of women who have children in this country and who would like to stay home with their children but can’t because the out of control economy is not addressing the point I believe Rosen was trying to make. 

            We can all agree Rosen did not choose her words wisely, but her point should not be lost in this “faux outrage” against her.  Hell, Bay Buchanan was on CNN last night defending her and stating that she made a mistake. and was willing to accept her apology.

            Let any politician or pundit throwing these stones at her who has NEVER made such a mistake, continue to cast stones.

            Obama, as usual, threw her under the bus.  She, on the other hand, has been a loyal supporter of obama (why, I don’t know), but when the going gets tough, obama will sacrifice you at the altar of his political future and principle and loyalty be damned.

        • DianaLC

          Since it’s impossible to reply to your Bible lesson to me below, all of which I have known since I did and do attend church, and since I was confirmed at 14.  So I know all the greater burden to one’s soul for being wealthy.  But time and chance does happen to all, and in many ways wealthy people have been given a chance to use their wealth correctly.  Nothing I’ve read about Mitt Romney’s upbringing or Ann Romney’s upbringing indicate that they lead their lives in such a way that they are not doing their best to give back to their communities.  Heck, I am pretty sure that whatever wealth they are spending on this campaign is not being spent because they like being attacked by the Dems or the evangelicals.  I do get the impression that they are in this fight because they do believe they can use their wealth to be in a position to help our nation.

          As I’ve mentioned on other posts, Hilary R’s statements were made as mean spirited attacks against Ann Romney.  Ann Romney did NOT claim to have better knowledge of finances than others–or of women who have to work for a living while raising children.  The video, if you watch it, was in response to Mitt Romney’s reporting that his wife mentioned to him that the women she talked with during the campaign reported that their major concern was the economy.   She was a messenger.  She was attacked PERSONALLY with the phrase to the effect that she had never worked in her life.  

          If Hilary had wanted to say something in response to Mitt’s statement, she might have said:  Ann Romney is lying about what she heard.  Or this:  We know that women really are more concerned about (fill in the blank) issues.  That would be a logical response to Mitt’s statement, rather than an attack on his wife.

            Ann Romney has won awards for charity work.  She has raised five boys, she has worked on her health.  She did NOT deserve a personal attack simply because she is married to a wealthy man.  (You might also check to see that at one point Romney lived very poor while on his Mormon mission and at one point the Romney’s lived in a $75 dollar month apartment.  Neither of these are partying, high living, lavish lifestyle rich people of the type that your Bible passage really alludes to.) 

          All of you who jumped on Rosen’s implication that since she was a stay-at-home mom, she could not understand finances and that Mitt was wrong to mention her fell into a major Dem trap in their divisive campaign. 

          Let me repeat:  Ann Romney had simply reported to Mitt what the women she talked to on the campaign said to her, and she received a personal attack for that.  (And my point is that the Dems really wanted their war on women meme to stay focused NOT ON THE ECONOMY but on their stupid social issures around reproductive rights and access to certain female medications/drugs.

          In regard to some wealth Dem wives, then the Republicans could really get down and dirty if they wanted to sling mud for mud.  That is my point. 

          I have had to think of finances all my life, as I was not born wealthy.  But, I feel wealthy living in this country and growing up when I did.  I feel wealthy in my personal accomplishments.  I have never been jealous of wealthy people, because of the burdens they have on their souls because of their wealth.  So, if I’ve had to struggle more financially and have had to work while also having children at home, I feel lucky and also proud that I was able to do that.  And I thank wealthy women who try to give back to their communities doing charitable WORK.  And I would never judge without knowing someone that “they have never had to work a day of their life”–or something to that effect. 

          Envy in Christian tradition is a deadly sin.

    • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew J. Weaver

      Wow.  Seriously, are you going to defend and encourage such a clueless, insensitive, and asinine position that a stay-at-home mom who has raised 5 sons and has 16 close grandkids has ‘never worked a day in her life’ and has no standing to talk about women?!  When Obama loses in November he can surely thank “women” supporters like you.  

    • Flop_Flipper

      I was going to refute every point you made but realized that doing so would only fall on deaf ears and a lame brain. Not to mention wasting my precious down time. So in the interest of brevity and dumbing down in a manner that even someone like you can surely understand: FUCK OFF Obot!

      • JeannieBinVA

        I am not now nor have I ever been an obot. 

        Reading these uniformly negative replies to my comment, I am curious, though, as to why you people think that being humongously wealthy doesn’t make it just a tad easier to deal with the trauma of illness and the pressures and demands of raising children.

        Do you guys/gals seriously think it’s better to be ill AND poor or struggling financially? Or have you led such sheltered, uninformed lives that you honestly don’t know that poor and middle-income women experience illness and chronic diseases, too?

        This is all just too weird. 

        • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

          Bitter much?

          Otherwise, get off it. 

        • GleepTheDragon

           We aren’t tearing down these other women but you are specifically tearing down Ann and you are doing so because she is wealthy and according to you can’t possibly understand hardship, economic or otherwise. This is called reverse bigotry and class warfare, and yeah, that makes you an obot.  Remember the whole pitch against the 1% brought to you by Obama and Company…?

          • KWynne

            Why the attacks on Jennie?  I like Ann Romney, believes she’s a great mother, courageous in dealing with her health issues, but believe me, it’s not attacking her to point out that having millions makes it a lot easier than when you don’t have enough to buy food, much less pay the mortgage and healthcare costs.

            I don’t think Jennie is faulting Ann for having this advantage, she’s just pointing out that there is a difference between her life experience and the women who barely can make ends meet.

            You should ask yourself, would you trade places with Ann Romney or with any of the women working 2 and 3 jobs to help make ends meet?  If there is no difference in the two, then it shouldn’t matter, right?

        • RebelCarol

          Jeannie, You and I are going to be pilloried because we are speaking out in defense of working moms who didn’t have the choice to stay home.

          • GleepTheDragon

             What the heck??!! No one is pillorying working moms (can we say deflection), the one mom that is being pilloried is Ann Romney.  Why is that so hard to understand?

          • KenoshaMarge

            Bullshit! She is being “pilloried” because she showed a lack of compassion for someone who has some very serious problems.

            I was a working Mom and so were many of the women here.

            What you and Jeannie are doing is pillorying a woman, with serious health issues, who did have a choice. Off with her head!

          • JeannieBinVA

            Thanks, RebelCarol, that about sums it up. I just figured everybody had a really bad night or something and that’s why they’re so fractious. Either that or Tax Day coming up.
             
            Fortunately, I’m having a pretty good week after nearly 2 years of solid travail. These folks’ reaction does strike me as curious — I thought a lot of people here used to be Clinton or Hillary Dems. Did they all leave, or did they just turn their backs on everything and everyone the Clintons stood for? 

            But the fact is, this week nothing bothers me. And it is nice that at least a couple of people actually got my point. Cheers!
             

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

            That is where you are wrong — women have a choice whether to be a mom or not — that’s a choice right there. Pretending that it wasn’t & somehow, magically, you became a mother who had to work outside the house to put food on the table is actually demeaning to all women. I’m not criticizing your choice — but don’t try to pretend you had no choice, you did.

          • beachnan

             I am a working mom.  I needed to work for financial reasons, but I do not resent Ann Romney just because she didn’t have to work outside the home.  My sister-in-law is a stay at home  mom.  She home schools her 3 children.  She has done fantastic  job.  They buy a lot of their clothes at the Goodwill.  They are willing to do with less, so she can stay home.  Every woman makes a choice and we should not demean anyone for their choice.  It just sounds like sour grapes.

        • Flop_Flipper

          There are many things in life that are much easier for me than some others. That does not mean I do not understand or not have the capacity of empathy for them. And the willingness to help.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1429578258 Cerry H Klaver

          Jeannie, its not that comparison I object to necessarily.  However, I find it interesting that you continue to label and define a condition that you obviously know little about beyond some stats.  The Obama Admin is walking a dangerous path with these types of comments, in effect defending a War on Women.  Women like you are criticizing a woman for her choices.  If the time-line of a woman’s disease is worth criticizing than I believe that we as a country should be able to discuss Michelle’s kicking the poor off the roles when she had her position at the Univ of Chicago hospital.  But somehow that is deemed off-limits.  Meanwhile, Obama extols Michelle’s choices and utilizes lackies to criticize other women.  No change since 2008.  And women get further divided for political gain.

          • JeannieBinVA

            I didn’t say a word about Michelle Obama, pro or con. I don’t care for her or defend her, I rarely mention her or think about her, and I agree, everything about how she got that cushy hospital admin job (and Barry’s role in that), and what she did and didn’t do while working there, is fishy if not downright corrupt. 

            That doesn’t change the fact that it is far easier for a woman with mountains of money at her disposal to deal with illness and family challenges, than it is for women who have to watch and worry over every dime they earn and spend.  

            I don’t have MS myself or in my immediate family, but this disease has been such a constant part of my life for so long that I honestly hadn’t thought of Ann Romney’s condition as anything particularly noteworthy.
            Since college, I’ve studied with, volunteered with and worked alongside people with MS. I also did rehabilitative/stabilization therapy work with kids with severe MS, both here and in Israel, for nearly 10 years in the 80s and 90s. Over the years I’ve lost several friends and coworkers and one family member to the disease. Currently I am close to 3 adults with MS, all of whom still work and are active in their communities, although one of them mostly telecommutes from home.

          • Anthony_1

            jeannie says:

            “That doesn’t change the fact that it is far easier for a woman with mountains of money at her disposal to deal with illness and family challenges, than it is for women who have to watch and worry over every dime they earn and spend.  ”

            Bullshit.  And I believe you know it.

        • DianaLC

          I don’t deny your points at all.  I’m just saying that Ann Romney has a right to exist.  I have never walked in her shoes, as the saying goes. 

          But I also know that, my choice would be to do what I could, though I am not rich, to live life the best way I could–without worrying about healthcare costs–if I for some reason came down with a severe and deadly illness.  There is also the choice of dying as painlessly as possible.  I know that is a position that is hard for many to accept.  But somehow this healthcare debate has turned into a debate over someone’s right to run up costs after costs after costs to stay alive.  Death is a fact of life.  I have from the time I was very young planned for it so that it wouldn’t become an urgent issue if I would become dealthly ill.  Besides health insurance there is such a thing as life insurance and accidental death insurance–Ask Suzie Orman.

          I’ve known many wonderful people who don’t do that–choose to fight long expensive battles against death.  On the other hand, I also know people who early on take control of their health to prevent as much as possible getting those deadly illnesses.

          I’ll give you some examples for women:  breast feeding turns out to be a posible determining factor in whether someone does not get breast cancer.   Taking horomone replacement therapies to avoid the effects of menopause also has a link to breast cancer.  There are women who choose to work when they don’t necessarily have to during the times they have young children and could breat feed them.  There are older women, as I was, who refused the “therapies” that were available at the time because at that time they were produced by keeping poor mares constantly pregnant in order to capture their urine.  I chose to view their lives as just as important as mine.  I figured that women had gone through the change without those therapies for centuries, that the change was not the disease it was made out to be.  I lived through it fine.

          I know that there are also good indications that the need for birth control to combat things like endometriosis is also common now when that condidtion used not to be so common when women didn’t consume birth control pills year in and year out for long periods of time.   CHOICES means CHOICES. 

          But don’t make others pay for your choices.  And don’t judge a woman because she has not had to work for a living because she married someone who made enough money.  My own mother would have loved to have a job outside the home, but she grew up in a time and in an ethnic culture in which men felt unmanly for some reason if their wives had to work outside the home.  We were not wealthy, but it does not mean my mother didn’t know a thing about money because she helped my father budget.

    • HoosierinDixie

      Seriously???? If we use your logic then maybe we should not be quick to give credit to those much less unfortunate women unless we know they don’t have babysitters, grandparents or daycares to help them. Do they use pacifiers or dump the kids in front of the television because they don’t want to be bothered? Or do they feed their kids McDonalds because they are too lazy to fix a home cooked meal? Anyone who suggest mothers, whether in the home or workforce do not work are just stupid.

      • Flop_Flipper

        Not just stupid, dangerous.

    • Hokma

      Now your dumbass President has doubled down on Rosen’s misconduct by saying that he and Michelle could ot afford for her not to work – as if they were hurting for money.

      First Michelle had a political favortism job with the Chicago hospital in charge 0f community relations. She was making $314,000 per year!!! Hospitals are not known for paying high salaries to administrators who are not MD’s. It is highly unusual for someone with that position to get that extravagant salary:

      http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-why-michelle-was-working-mom-316k-year-we-didnt-have-luxury-her-not-work

      This is an issue that will cost Obama the election because most women will be turned off by the statements of Rosen and now Obama.

      • elizabethrc

        Not only that Hokma, but when she left that oh, so important job, it was never filled again.  So much for being an essential job!
        The facts are already coming out and Romney seems to be getting stronger about refuting the lies coming out of Obama’s operation. 

        • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

          The question always circles back around to the missing records on the Obamas.  

          • wylrae

            Maybe not so much missing as sealed!

        • Hokma

          By having Ann Romney immediately come out with a twitter comment showed that Axelgrease will not be allowed to get away with his usual bag of dirty tricks this time.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

         And Michelle’s job was to figure out how to “dump” the poor & uninsured from the UoC hospital & shove them off to other hospitals. Yes, I’ll repeat that: her job was to figure out how to deny the poor & uninsured health care!! The irony!

        • Hokma

          Wow.

          • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

            Yes, that’s true.  Michelle was no friend of the poor.

            For all of Michelle’s supposed education and career work we see very little expertise.

            The only thing she’s offered America is her upper arms.

        • Dolly Cain

          Not to mention Hank when Rezko, the slumlord, ignored his tenants pleas for heat or air conditioning Obama took Rezko’s side not theirs.

          Did I mention the majority of tenants were black? Maybe Obama, he of the black people are mongrels comment, is the real racist. 

          • Anthony_1

            There’s more to that story, like getting Rezko earmarked money via Jarrett, and then Rezko not using it and being able to collect big bucks after his slums were demolished and people were displaced.

            Shortly afterward, his wife helped the Obamas buy their Chicago home.

      • Flop_Flipper

        I am shaking my head in disbelief at Obama’s audacity. The dude actually said that??? My father made way less than half of Obama’s taxpayer funded salary and my parents had 5 children. We managed to get by fairly well. Certainly not wealthy but well enough off to live relatively normal lives. Obama is such as elitist asshole. My hatred for him grows every single day, sometimes by the hour.

      • Madame_deFarge

         Might I repeat:  who knows if she would have chosen to work if her husband hadn’t earned a Community Organizer’s pay?  I think she’d have been on the job even if…she got the pay for being a state legislator’s wife.  Wonder what the hospital got?

    • KenoshaMarge

      Just because other women have handled more doesn’t mean you need to diminish what she has done.

      What an nasty person you are.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

       Such compassion — no wonder you support Obama.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1429578258 Cerry H Klaver

      Obviously you don’t have a debilitating disease like MS, nor have any idea how difficult it is just to get out of bed everyday.  The fact that this woman has made it without resorting to a wheelchair is amazing in itself!   Hilary’s comments reeked of someone slamming a disabled person because of her absolute cluelessness of what MS is.

      • Dolly Cain

        Well heck Ann Romney has money.  Therefore she should suffer and die like a dog.

        Many misinterpret what Jesus meant when he asked the wealthy man to give up all he had.  I’ve talked to  church leaders from multiple religions and they all agreed:

        When money, power, and wealth become more important than helping others  or caring about their plight that’s  when you are wrong.

        There’s no indication Ann Romney cares nothing for others.

      • JeannieBinVA

        No, thankfully I don’t have a debilitating disease, but I have known and worked with people with MS for more than 30 years, including providing rehabilitation services to teenagers with severe MS (and other far more crippling diseases). I certainly know how difficult their lives can be.  

        MS takes many different forms, and Ann Romney clearly has a late onset, less severe form. Most people with MS manage to cope with the disease, but few have the resources for doing so that Ann Romney has. 

    • vinnie winkel

      Yes, there are many other women who have had it much harder and some have had it easier. What’s Hillary point?  The ones that work hardest are allowed to have more expertise and saying on the issues?  As a woman and a mom, I would NEVER venture to say that a stay at home mom has it easier than I do.  Just because moms stay at home, doesn’t mean they are clueless about the economy or any other issue. What Hillary is saying by stating that Romney can’t use his wife to give him insightful feedback on the economy is reinforcing the stereo-type that Ann should be seen and not heard. Ridiculous.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1429578258 Cerry H Klaver

        Very well put!

    • CathyInKs

      Jeannie – I don’t think you understand how the Mormon church works.  Unlike Catholic and Protestant churches, the Mormon bishops (akin to a pastor) and Mormon stake leaders (like a bishop of a diocese) these leaders are not paid for their services.  They have to earn a living for themselves and their families just like everyone else in their “wards and stakes” have to do.  In fact most “callings” within the Mormon Church are performed on a volunteer basis.  Yes, I’m certain Ann Romney had the assistance of her fellow church ladies just like every other woman in the Mormon Church has even if you go “inactive”.  I know because I’ve been a member of the LDS Church now for over 8 years.  I haven’t always been really active.  It doesn’t matter.  If someone has a baby, has surgery, needs help with housework, needs help with home repairs, the Church is there to help you free of charge.  They believe in service not only to all their members but to anyone who has a need and this service is rendered with a cheerful and willing heart.
      Ann Romney probably helped out with a lot of people too.  That’s the way it works in the Mormon church.

      • Dolly Cain

        Thank you. Mormon bishops are not paid. I know. I attended a Mormon church.

      • wylrae

        Living in a strongly Mormom area, I must agree with your statements regarding the willingness of Mormoms to help.  I am not a member of a Mormom church and probably would never join one because I disagree a little on a couple of their beliefs.  Anyway, over the years I have witnessed how caring and helpful they are when others are in need; and yes, I (we) have been on the receiving end of their helpfulness and caring.

      • JeannieBinVA

        Cathy, I actually did know about Mormons helping each other out, which is what my lame “church ladies” reference was about, and I also knew that Mitt didn’t make his money from the church. 

        If higher-ups (and their families) in the Mormon church don’t benefit from those positions, it would be one of the few institutional hierarchies in history — possibly the only hierarchy in history – where that was the case. Nonetheless, if what you maintain is true, that Mormonism is the exception that proves the rule, I stand corrected.

    • APO_AE_09173

      Speaking as a member of the LDS church. We women all help one another. Ann as a young wife did not have a multimilionaire husband.  He did do well but not as you imply.  Ann also did not have maids and servants.

      Members of the Relief Society (a women’s auxillary organization in the LDS church) do help one another regardless of what role their spouses may or may not play in the church. 

      BTW being a Bishop or Stake President’s wife is a huge burden. For 13 years Mitt Romney was a Stake president so beside his paying job he dedicated 30+ hours to the congregations he over saw.  Ann had to make the difference at home.

      Ann also held leadership positions in the Church. ALL VOLUNTEER.

      The jealousy and envy of this faithful and successful family is disgusting.

      Look at other rich people and their offspring (Paris Hilton comes to mind)  Now look at the Romney’s and their sons.
      Who is the better example???

      • wylrae

        “The jealousy and envy of this faithful and successful family is disgusting.”

        I do not know much about the Romneys but I do admire that Mitt was able to achieve the American dream (mainly one of being successful and provide well for his family).  Oh, he may have inherited some  of his wealth but it appears from the little I have read about him he earned the majority of what they have, and earned it honestly.  Unlike many we hear of who have significant wealth, I have not seen negative press about Mitt or Ann or any of their children.  Yes, they have wealth but it doesn’t appear to me that they rub other people’s noses in that fact.  Maybe Mitt has decided his wife deserves to have different homes to live in and experience different scenery and climates at different times of the year; question is do they live like royalty? Not that I am aware of.  In comparison we certainly have a first couple in the WH now who certainly seem to think they deserve to be treated  royalty on our tax dollar.

        Oh, I am not a Romney supporter although in an exchange with Larry a couple of months ago about why I was supporting Newt, I did point out that I was ABO and would vote for the republican nominee in the general election.  However, the more I hear and learn about Mitt the more I am liking him.  As for Ann, IMHO she would be an excellent first lady.

        • CathyInKs

          I first supported Romney, then started to like him because of Ann Romney.  I believe someone on Fox Cable News has said Ann is Mitt’s greatest asset.

      • CathyInKs

         Agree with every thing you say APO.

  • Flop_Flipper

    Ann Romney will be on FOX this morning at 10:40 A.M. EDT

  • Anthony_1

    I don’t think she’s either.  This was a White House hit that just went a little too far and blew up in their face.

    We already know that Ann Romney makes the WH more than a little nervous (“Ann Romney is the Romney Democrats fear most”)http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/74718.html#ixzz1rnjnHk5G

    We also know that Hilary Rosen is working with Debbie Wasserman Schultz to advance the WH agenda.

    Perhaps this is a perfect example of the arrogant confidence the Obama 2012 campaign? Or maybe she forgot she wasn’t speaking to the DNC?

    Either way, this was a big mistake and I hope it will be included in each and every 527 released by the pro-Romney SuperPacs 

    • elizabethrc

      Obama has left a wide enough trail of bread crumbs that no one will miss all of the documented lies at the end of it.  It’s fact that more than one woman in his administration has complained about the demeaning way in which women are regarded in the WH, one going so far as to say that there is basis for a discrimination lawsuit.
      The disparity in pay is another fact.
      The total exclusion of women in Obama’s golfing outing is another fact.
      Women, in this administration are nothing more than an after thought and his placing of women in various positions is little more than an appeasement to women voters.
      He’s shot himself in the foot with a cannon this time, and Republicans are ready to shoot down Obama’s latest plan to divide and conquer.

      • Anthony_1

        There will be more coming.  He just can’t help himself.

      • wylrae

        I certainly hope you are correct: “He’s shot himself in the foot with a cannon this time, and Republicans are ready to shoot down Obama’s latest plan to divide and conquer.”

        I really do think this was a planned attempt by Obama (well more than likely Axelrod) to drive another wedge in dividing people, classes, races.  But with the MSM in the tank for Obama this like everthing else I am afraid this too will be glossed over as no big deal.

    • foxyladi14

       for sure.

  • DianaLC

    Here’s another ugly little secret about some really progressive libs–the latte liberal types I’ve met in the forty square miles of nonreality that is Boulder, CO:  Most wouldn’t think of having more than one, or maybe two, children.  It would keep them from doing all their jogging, mountain climbing, bike riding, etc.  Since they’re in Boulder, they can afford more than the rest of us anyway, so they have high-paying jobs, can afford nannies, while their husbands also work high-paying jobs.

    One of these types told me during the last GE that it was abhorrent that Sarah Palin had FIVE children.  She thought everyone realized that nowadays parents can only afford to helicopter around one and be able to afford the acceptable colleges’ costs so their child can also succeed.  She clearly viewed any woman having more than two children a threat to the environment also, since these are the same who feel it was just fine that O blew our money on things like Solyndra.

    She shut up went I said that I cam from a family of four, had 34 first cousins, had one grandmother who had six children while the other had eight.  I also mentioned that on just my dad’s side, one great aunt had fourteen children, one had twelve, and one had ten.  She nearly had a stroke at that point. Then I mentioned that as far as I know (since I’ve researched only my dad’s side so far) none of these people caused any trouble with the law, had never lived on welfare, and that our generation is doing just fine. 

    Needless to say, she no longer would think of associating with me.

    • Flop_Flipper

      Needless to say, she no longer would think of associating with me.

      Good for you!

      • DianaLC

        She should have known, too, that I would be turned off by her comments.  I gave birth to only two boys, whom I raised, but I also raised the three daughters of my ex-husband’s schizophrenic relative.  (That was NOT fun nor easy.)

        • EllenD818

          Good for you Diana! I had a friend whose brother in law and sister died in a car accident and he raised their kids as his own.
          I admire you for that.

    • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

      Good for you.  They are basically boring and shallow people who measure their worth by their toys, their degrees, and their Starbucks purchases.

    • EllenD818

      While I don’t condemn those who had more, I only had two children because I thought that was all I could afford to put through college – and boy was I right.
      My parents put me and my sister through college and in my family it is “pay it forward”.
      I don’t think of us as “latte liberals” just a family of thrifty Scots.

      • DianaLC

        EllenD818–I earned my own way through college on an academic scholarship and by working 20 to 25 hours a week as a waitress.  It was hard, but I knew my parents couldn’t afford to put me through.  My older sister worked her way through business college and became an executive secretary (what they called them at the time).  My brother, as did my older son, joined the Navy and entered the Nuclear Power Program (which fails about half or more who enter–tough program) and both came out with the equivalent of a Masters in Engineering.  They were both heavily recruited by business when they left the Navy.  My little sister worked her way up through drafting programs at community college and then into graphic design programs.  She ended up with a great job at Adobe when she lived in Palo Alto.

        Things are different now, I know, and I agree that it is darned expensive to raise kids, but if you do it right they cam make it fin on their own in this country.

        I think the thing that made me angriest was the attitude this woman had–an elitist attitude.  She looked down on women who made different choices or who came up from less wealthy environments.

        • EllenD818

           I agree, Diana. Although my parents put us through college my father was blue-collar – a machinist. But a lot of girls I went to school with were wealthy and couldn’t understand why I couldn’t do what they could do. I dated the son of a corporation lawyer with a family penthouse in New York – a nice guy – who invited me down for the weekend for a party and was completely uncomprehending when I said I couldn’t afford to fly to New York for a party
          That’s when I came to understand that the rich are different from you and me.

          And I also worked – but I admire you working as a waitress. That has to be the hardest job in the world.
          I’m never short or impatient with waitresses. They have enough to deal with and whatever they get they earn every penny!

          • wylrae

            Working your way through college!  Don’t see a lot of that today (or at least not as much as back in the mid 60′s when I too worked and borrowed to get through college (my family could not afford to help me much).  Oh the memories of those good-old-days; was nice to know that I could really do something on my own without much family help.  Of course, I think I had a little more motivation than most entering freshmen as I had been in the army for three years working around a lot of officers and college graduates so saw there was a difference between those having a good education and those who didn’t.

          • EllenD818

            wylrae, that was Diana that worked her way through college. I only worked over Christmas for Christmas presents and at an art studio for art supplies. My great parents did the heavy lifting.
            I miss them.

    • wylrae

      Glad to hear there is at least one reasonable, thinking individual in Boulder.  We to your north (UDUB territory) have pretty much always thought of Boulder as a hotbed of socialism (Churchill, etc.).

  • Popsmoke

    Look raising five boys especially being a Mormon woman and in Ann Romney’s case one who has endured illnesses as well, is something many men could not handle. Now saying that, she does need to temper her duckspeak on issues she cannot relate to. I did not say shut up or have no opinion. But temper her remarks since she has never been in the workforce. She would better serve her husband on issues pertaining to women and families….

    • rr_ww

      “[Eleanor] Roosevelt was born into a world of immense wealth and privilege” (wiki).  Did she ever hold a “job”?

      Maybe the said icon should not have  ”duckspoken” on issues she could not have possiblely related to.  My, the audacity of women.

      • LindaAnselmi

        I thought of Eleanor Roosevelt also.  There are many who contribute greatly everyday who do not earn a pay check.

      • Dolly Cain

        Eleanor Roosevelt fought for the right of the Tuskegee  Airmen to fly and to be treated equally.

        She was constantly on FDR’s case about the lack of Civil Rights and equality for Black Americans.

        • rr_ww

          That’s my point… a person should not be valued by a pay check or the amount of the paycheck.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

        Eleanor did a lot of volunteer work and she was a writer & editor for a magazine, she taught, she opened (and helped run) a girl’s school and she was a “silent” partner in a furniture building business run by 2 friends of hers (they built the furniture; Eleanor put up the money). Eleanor made very little actual money at these “jobs,” (all except  the furniture business venture were basically “volunteer” things) but nonetheless, she put in long hours at these “jobs” & that is her “resume.”

        This, however, is no reflection on Ann Romney, who also does a lot of volunteer work as well, specifically she devotes a lot of time working with at-risk kids.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1429578258 Cerry H Klaver

      So then Obama’s relying upon his wife’s experience for issues pertaining to women and families should not be done because she in fact did not work in the home?  

       I suppose that Ann didn’t have any  friends who worked outside of the home?   Whose opinion then is valid on these issues?  The number crunchers?

      • Popsmoke

        No I think Michelle Obama should do the same. Mitt Romney introduced his wife in the political arena and she is now fair game. Because she has MS does not shield her from political comments. I understand what Rosen was trying to say and yes Ann Romney is clueless when it comes to the economy. All Mitt and his wife were doing was following the talking points and Rosen was suffering from a acute case of cranial rectal inversion.

        I would have said something like…..

        Ann Romney is absolutely correct. Moms are very concerned about the economy. Ann should remind her husband that their republican party did those moms no favors…..

      • wylrae

        “Whose opinion then is valid on these issues?”

        I guess we have to settle for the opinions of those from the halls of academia!  Oh wait, we have been doing that……

  • LindaAnselmi

    The dems stepped in it with both feet!  
    Do they really want to make the case that everyone is only to be valued by the dollars they earn?  That isn’t just elitist and anti Mom, it’s pro enslavement!  

    • PPAA

      How do you figure the Dems stepped into it? Because a CNN commentator states the obvious?

      By the way where is the anti-mom comment? What exactly did she say that was anti-mom?

    • AnitaFinlay

      Well stated, Linda.  This was just about sending out an attack dog because Romney was making a tiny inroad with women yesterday.  She chose the wrong woman to pick on.

      The tenor of her comments was not far off from the idiotic MoveOn.org ad “General Petraeus or General Betray Us” — you are not going to win fans by besmirching the character of someone who has spent his entire life in service to his country, regardless of political persuasion.

      Tacky and more.

  • Flop_Flipper

    When Rosen’s war on women didn’t go over too well she shifted to class warfare.

    “I’ve nothing against @AnnRomney. I just don’t want Mitt using her as an expert on women struggling $ to support their family. She isn’t.”

    What was it that Bob Dole said about Democrat wars?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

       Yes, because having money & being a stay at home mom means you have no right to speak.

  • MarkFtLaud

    Ann will get us the WhiteHouse.   She is the heart and soul of this team.

    • Popsmoke

      If Ann is what will get Mitt to the WH, then we do not need Mitt…..

  • Flop_Flipper

    A few thought concerning Ann Romney’s interview on Fox:

    It was obvious that she is very offended and upset. It also seemed to me that she is having a MS episode but trying to work through it because of the importance of this event. I may be wrong here and perhaps Gleep could verify or disprove my assumptions.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

       It was obvious she was upset — I don’t know about the MS flare up spec, though.

  • Popsmoke

    One last point here… The Mormon Church has come a long way in promoting women. BUT! It is still very much a male dominated Church and still holds women as second class citizens…

    So lets not be all one sided here…..

    http://www.pbs.org/mormons/interviews/flake.html
    http://www.pbs.org/mormons/interviews/toscano.html
    http://mormoncurtain.com/topic_womeninmormonism_section2.html

    • Hokma

      The same can be aid for Synagogues (woman are segrated from men in temple and sit in the back in orthodox temples) and Churches. But outside the religious sanctuary it is a completely different world for woman who are Christian, Jewish, or Mormon.

      • Popsmoke

        Well, its a lot more than just being segregated during worship. I can’t attest about any differences today inside the Mormon Church. But ten years ago when I dated a widowed Mormon woman who had three sons. I can attest to how she was treated and how her stature was viewed within the Mormon Church and she was no average plain Jane.

        All I am saying here is that when it comes to women there is smoke in that temple…

    • LindaAnselmi

      You do have a point.  But there is just as much unseen as seen  with all the religions as to their treatment of women.  Hard pressed to find one that is a shining example.

      • DianaLC

        And much that is unseen (by those from the outside of a religion) is that women are usually the backbone of those religions and the male members know it and do appreciate it.   I hate it when non-religious people decide that anyone who is must be stupid.  That is what I like so much about he conversations in the tv series Bones between Bones the atheist and Booth the Christian. 

        • LindaAnselmi

          I agree the women are the back bone of most religions.  Though from what I’ve seen and heard the recognition doesn’t always go where it is due when it comes to women.

  • HELENK2

    as a working mother of 4 kids, I would never bash a “stay at home mom”. The not only were raising their own kids, but could be the parent that volunteered at my kid’s school. Went on the class trips helping with my children and took up the slack when I was unable to do so.
    This working mother wants to thank all the stay at home moms for all the help with my children

    • foxyladi14

       AMEN Helenk.

    • Roger Elder

      Yes. The thing is I think this campaign plans everything… everything is a photo-op and everything is staged. The thing is they have no clue how real people… the kind with souls are going to feel… and having no souls themselves they make these ignoramus errors. Obviously, the democrats are targeting working mothers and women without children and attempting to cleave them from the presumably rich stay at home republican leaning mothers and women who don’t otherwise need to work… the thing is they haven’t got the first clue… they can’t even understand entire segments of the American populace. It is painfully apparent.

      • Madame_deFarge

         They have their attack dogs in line.  Then Obama will disavow everything that they say.  Planting seeds is one of their strategies.  Leave a taste behind.  He has no credibility whatsoever after the smearing of Sarah.  I’m still horrified over it.

  • PPAA

    She was just stating the obvious….  nobody said staying home was a Club Med. She never said anything negative about being a mother. She made a simple statement that Mrs. Romney never worked a day in her life, which is true. I am sure being in a wealthy family with possibly domestic help was not all that bad. Mothers do it every day and they even work on top of that.

    Not sure why you would care what a CNN commentator has to say. She is not part of the Obama campaign. Many conservative commentators say things all the time.

    • rr_ww

      “… never worked a day in her life, which is true. I am sure being in a wealthy family with possibly domestic help was not all that bad. ”

      For a moment I thought you were talking about Eleanor Roosevelt.

  • foxyladi14

    that is quite an attack dog.

  • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

    PPAA is here again.  Warning

    • Anthony_1

      and being “liked” vigorously by Jeannie (who claims she’s definitively not an OBOT.  Maybe a ‘bitter clinging OBOT’ would be more accurate??)

    • PPAA

      Booo.. scary stuff. Let the censorship begin.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

         It’s not censorship, it’s the stupidity that annoys.

        • PPAA

          No one is telling you you have to read my comments or reply.

          It is 100% censorship for anyone who gives a little push back on here. Total lame.

          There is vigorous debate on all other websites, but not on NQ. Why is that? What are you afraid of?

          • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

            Time to remove the PPAA comments.

          • Wisewoman2

            As I had said about you in the past your worst feature is that you are just like Obama in many respects in that you tell lies and half truths.  There is a saying that a half truth is a whole lie.  Try remembering that when you talk about censorship when people disagree with you, you whining Obot.

          • Flop_Flipper

            Look, if you are going to come here and start insulting people right off the bat you will get the frickin axe. Provide sensible arguments instead of your pre-programmed, cut and paste responses and perhaps then we can have a substantive debate with you. Otherwise fuck off.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

            I actually don’t read the majority of your posts, I skim them but every once in a while a particularly stupid comment jumps out at me (which is par for the course for you). And really, screaming about your “right” to post on a blog when Obama took away habeas corpus is the ultimate example of stupidity. You are a moron, you contribute nothing and you bogart entire threads to do it (seriously, any given thread on here, at least 1/2 the posts are yours repeating the same. low-information voter talking points). I didn’t say “ban” you, but I am calling you out on your stupidity.

  • Missing Lynx

    Okay I married my husband when we did not have much and we have battled infertility for the length of our 8+ years of marriage, male factor initially but now it could just as well be me as I am 40 at this time.  During 9 years of our time together (two year engagement too) I held a job/career, however my husband had started a small company about a week after we said our vows and so he has become rather successful of late.  To save our marriage, because I was  being attacked from multiple directions by the equalizers, I quit my job two years ago because I was simply working incredible hours at a hospital as the only research coordinator in cancer and to address what I did not know at the time, surreal issues coming down the pike in my life.  Since I’ve been off I’ve been hit with 4 foot surgeries (a complication from bunion surgery), the bank who was literally trying to steal our second home, we recently bought to help clear clutter so that we can possibly adopt,  because of their mistake (we could pay off the home in its entirety but they won’t clean my husband’s credit – long story, about 35 pages worth incriminating the bank of malice, fraud, deception, criminal negligence), buying furniture and stocking the second home our bank was/is trying to steal, entertaining mainly his friends and family, my grandmother’s death, his father’s death, my mother’s self-induced hardship, learning to gourmet cook, working on studying for an MBA, clearing out the endless clutter that accumulated over the course of our marriage at our primary house, another ivf currently to add to the two I went through when I was working and the five IUIs, and many other burdens that hit at once, basically supporting my husband basically so that we don’t go under –  and I bet there are those women who will say I did not work these last two years bc my husband and I happen to be sort of successful currently, coming from the right because I don’t have children and coming from the left because I’ve been ‘off’ for two years.  I feel I partly saved my husband, which is part of my vows, and he has done the same for me.

    • HoosierinDixie

      Wow you certainly have alot on your plate. But the hell with what the left or right may think of you. Always remember you need not apologize for your success or provide an explanation for any of the choices you make. I sincerly hope you and your husband will know the joys of parenthood soon. Sounds like there is alot of love in your relationship and weathering the storms together proves you are both definately up for the challenge. Good Luck and God Bless.

    • Wisewoman2

      I am a total stranger to you but while I have empathy for you I also “love” you because when confronted with “issues” you have not given up.  As we used to say keep on trucking.  Let me share a story with you.  For 8 years my daughter was also trying IVF and everything else trying to get pregnant,e. g., flying out to Denver, getting in debt, getting money from us her parents.  One day her husband suggested adopting.   She was shocked and felt she would be betraying her faith in God if she did.  I told her to walk the path that God might be opening a door for her.  She did and about 9 months into the adoption process our precious granddaughter was left on the steps of a hospital by a mother who loved her enough to carry her to term and give her life.  I am black and during this adoption process I thought there were thousands of black babies under 2 waiting for adoption.  We found out there were only 8 in the whole of the US (hurts to know so many abortions occur when these lives could be spared).   The second miracle of the story was that about 3 weeks after bringing home my first grandchild my daughter got pregnant with my second grandchild at the age of 39.  She is 2 years old now and the first is 3 years old.  They are 10 months apart.  Miracles do happen!!

      • Retired_from_SPOnaj

        Sounds to me

      • Flop_Flipper

        A beautiful, uplifting story.

    • Flop_Flipper

      I have a relative that is fairly well off. Her son was born with several disabilities and thankfully she had the money to pay for all the required surgeries and therapies. None of her wealth comforted her during those many long nights worrying if her child would make it through.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

    Ann was on Fox this morning answering Hilary Rosen (who, btw, is a paid consultant for the DNC, so Axlerod saying she shouldn’t have said that is a bunch of b.s. that is part of their M.O. — pretend to take the high ground while sending out their minions to do the dirty work — Obama himself on Friday started this meme when he reminded everyone that when he & Michelle first had children they didn’t have the “luxury” of her staying home — like everything with Obama, this attack was planned). Here is the link to Ann’s interview:

    http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/04/12/ann-romney-responds-to-dnc-consultant-hilary-rosens-controversial-stay-at-home-mom-remarks-says-motherhood-is-the-most-important-job-there-is/

    But I saw a tweet that sums it up the best:

    Dems: Ann Romney, mother of 5, “has never worked a day in her life.” Sarah Palin, mother of 5, should “be at home with her children.”

    • Flop_Flipper

      This is one situation where Obama really should use the bully pulpit to clear up this mess and put an end to this meme even if doing so was only to save his political hide. I would actually respect him if he did. Tweets can be written by anyone.

      • beachnan

         No, no, no.  I don’t trust that that wasn’t the plan all along.  Obama sends his grunts out to make these divide and conquer statements, and when they don’t go well, he disavows them.  I do not want to see him making a pretty speech over something he and his team started deliberately.

    • Madame_deFarge

       I wonder if the Mooch might have had the “luxury” of staying home if he had been reached a bit higher than the income of a “community organizer”.  I don’t think she’s better or worse one way of the other.  However, they have opened the door for  criticism over her exorbitant spending, fake official trips to justify our paying for her vacations ($50M and counting), leaving early or late so as to take two planes, etc.,…fair game.

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    Judging from the comments here, Hillary Rosen and whoever may be helping her in her thought process has successfully, if perhaps only temporarily, moved some level of attention and debate from Barack Obama’s record of performance as President and Mitt Romney’s performance in government and the private sector to who has the more noble, “in touch” spouse.  Considering the spouses being considered, one a wealthy mother of five sons who has been dealing with some health challenges, the other a Harvard Law graduate mother of two who has been on virtually continiuous vacation at taxpayer expense for the past three years, Hillary Rosen may have pulled off a good political trick.  But I’ll wait for November to see what effect the war of the spouses has on the actual election, which is, after all, the end game.  

    • PPAA

      A record number of women came out to vote for Obama in 2008 and at this point is looks more likely that that record will be broken in 2012. Obama is pulling 60% of women in some battleground states. That is unheard of.

      By the way do I need to post my birth certificate to post on here?

      • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

        Since you asked….you’d be farther ahead than your demdrone dear leader if you did.

      • Flop_Flipper

        Do they give out birth certificates on Uranus?

      • Wisewoman2

        “Obama is pulling 60% of women in some battleground states. That is unheard of.”  And that is why you should suspect something is fishy.

      • Retired_from_SPOnaj

        I’m content to see what theonly  poll in November says.  As for PPAA’s birth certificate, if the mainstream press doesn’t see fit to demand a birth certificate from POTUS, why should anyone care about demanding one from PONQ?

  • RebelCarol

    Sorry Larry, but I have to agree with Hillary somewhat.  I don’t believe she was making the point that a stay-at-home mom is not work, I believe the point Hillary was trying to make was that Ann didn’t have to worry about working to earn that paycheck to put food on the table or clothes on the backs of her children. 

    • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

      So what?   Ann chose differently.  It’s about respect for choices individuals make.  Disrespecting and demeaning someone because their life story is different is what this is about.  Hilary Rosen is paid to demean and subjugate people. 

      She did it.  It backfired. 

      • GleepTheDragon

         Exactly.  I’m still confused at to why someone’s different level of hardship (because some people obviously have this magic ‘this is hard’ ruler /s) means they can’t know or have an opinion about financial hardships at all.

      • PPAA

        So what?

        It is all about context, which is being ignored as the latest GOP faux outrage strawman is set-up.

        Here is what she said:

        “What you have is Mitt Romney running around the country saying, well, you know, my wife tells me that what women really care about are economic issues. And when I listen to my wife, that’s what I’m hearing.

        Guess what, his wife has actually never worked a day in her life. She’s never really dealt with the kinds of economic issues that a majority of the women in this country are facing in terms of how do we feed our kids, how do we send them to school and how do we — why do we worry about their future?”

        Mitt Romney has some serious problems this election cycle with women so they have put Ann Romney out front to try and talk to these women and pat them on the heads and say “We really do understand you” when of course they have no clue about what non-wealthy women live through regardless of if they stay at home with the kids or work. 

        Ann Romney’s father was president of Jered Industries. She married another millionaire’s son. Sure, she raised 5 kids, but she did so with all the assistance, and freedom from many of the stresses that women raising families have, that always having at least six 0′s before the decimal place in your bank account can buy. Their sons all went to Belmont Hill School, a short walk away from their home in Boston, with a current day tuition of $32,000.  To think that Ann Romney is in touch with the economic stresses faced by most women in America is a stretch

        It is interesting that Hillary Rosen a working mother of two cannot make a comment that Ann Romney has not worked a day in her life.

        • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

          Boils down to the left’s myopic definition of:

          work  

          And no, Rosen’s version IS NOT the only or unassailable correct one.

          • PPAA

            No it is about “I feel your pain” when no you don’t. You have no life experience to feel my pain.

          • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

            PPAA below….

            change the narrative…BS.

            Rosen apologized.

            Score one for Ann Romney.

        • Missing Lynx

          We have more surreal battles ahead than to worry and nitpick about who was/is more wealthy.  I have every right as a person, seeing I actually did work my way through college, to be irritated with the Romneys’ wealth, and sometimes I am – especially their 15% tax bracket, but what I am more concerned about is where Obama’s allegiances really lie (not that I’m not concerned about Romney’s but just that I am highly suspect of Obama’s, especially at this point given his history) and so I am more concerned who will better preserve our right to Liberty.  We’ve gone too far to the Left.

          • beachnan

             I believe the 15% tax is on their investments, which is on top of the tax that they paid on earnings.  In others words, the money is taxed twice, so he actually pays a much higher tax than the 15%. 

    • PPAA

      Finally someone who does not play the politics card. She absolutely said nothing about stay at home mothers. LJ like others is just setting up a strawman.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

         You don’t know what a strawman is — which is funny, because you basically *are* one.

    • Dissentispatriotic

      You don’t tell a mother of 5 boys that she has never worked a day in her life.  That’s what she said, despite the many ways it will be ‘splained away.  Stupid, stupid comment.

    • Flop_Flipper

      So a wealthy woman that has personally raised 5 children and has spoken to and interacted with thousands of women from all walks of life nationwide is somehow not qualified to speak about the real concerns of women?

    • Wisewoman2

      She said exactly what she meant.  I am a former Democrat and I used to like this woman because she stood so firmly for Hillary and against this type of division i.e., working moms v. stay-at-home moms;  rich v poor;  women v men;  old v young;  red state v. blue state;  south v. north;  religious v non religious.  These *ssholes are the scum of the earth.  When they finish dividing the country it will be changed forever which is their goal.  As a person who marched with MLK, I truly despise them.

      • Madame_deFarge

         Wisewoman, I am with you.  It makes me sick and sometimes I think we, who marched as well as the entire civil rights movement, were living in a bubble.  Did both sides merely humor us as naive while this mess continued to boil under the surface?  How could I have been so blind about the Clintons?
        Going through my papers yesterday, I came across the folder where I keep the letter she wrote to me from their first campaign headquarters in Little Rock… thanking me for letters published in the SF Chronicle on their behalf…before they won the primary.  I felt nauseous.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

       So therefore she has no right to have an opinion? Bullsh!t.

    • Hokma

      No, that’s not it at all.

      Hilary Rosen has a history of making stupid remarks, and I think this was set up by Dunn and Axelgrease.

      What she was saying is that stay-at-home moms don’t know the real world. Period. The problem with this line of attack is that even women who have to work and have kids take offense to this elitist view of women and the diminshing of the traditional family.

      • Roger Elder

        Everything these people do is staged. The thing is they don’t understand entire segments of America. Telling.

  • Escoffier

    Ms Rosen is a pro. Her prior client was BP. You know that oil leak in the Gulf of Mexico. She worked on that. She has a long history of taking on very unpopular clients to smooth out their PR problems. You know like Obama. 

  • http://twitter.com/MarvinMarks Marvin Marks

    Really? This is what you guys are going with? That women should just be stay at home mothers? This isn’t the 1950s. 

    • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

      Pendulums swing, Marvy.  

      • Flop_Flipper

        And with any luck at all this one has a very sharp blade.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

       Showing off your complete lack of understanding of the issue, champ. You are the prototype of an Obama supporter — no-information voter who couldn’t think his way out of a paper bag. The opposite of devaluing stay at home moms is NOT saying all women should be stay at home moms.

    • Retired_from_SPOnaj

      I agree, mothers shouldn’t be allowed to stay at home.  Children should be parked at state-run daycare centers for nine hours per day where they can be properly indoctrinated by politically-reliable cadres while their parents work at the jobs to which the government has assigned them.

      This worked pretty good in Romania.  I actually had a conversation of a product of  Nikolai Ceausecu’s state school system a few months back.  It was like watching Brave New World in real life. 

  • HELENK2

    stolen from the crawdad hole with no shame

    WMCB, on April 12, 2012 at 9:57 am said:

    What I am seeing from women, left right and center, is this:

    I don’t need a Ordained High Priestess of Gender Studies to interpret
    for me from the Holy Canon of Womanhood what MY OWN empowerment,
    freedom, and self-actualization is “supposed” to look like.

    I know what my own empowerment looks like, thanks. All by my little
    female self. Now get the fuck out of my way while I go GET ME SOME.

    Reply
     

  • samb1

    Good moms do their best and they want the best outcomes
    for their families but Ms. Rosen plays to the notion that 
    her view of motherhood is the only true reality.  

    Ms. Rosen is a simple attack dog for the Obama Campaign 
    she throws out the insults and now the issue is out there.
    Obama and his minions now have a talking point
    to scratch at, this is their way of baiting a fight.

    Ms. Romney has struggled in her own
    way while trying to raise her children, 
    I admire her quite dignity.

    Moms stepping on other moms, shame on you
    Ms. Rosen for being such a Sell Out!!!!

    • Flop_Flipper

      Yep, it’s a war on women being waged by women.

      • samb1

        Male or Female!!!!

        “You Don’t Mess With Mom”

        That’s what I was told when I was growing up.

      • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

        Absolutely!  I read a blog by a woman who in one world presents an all loving and accepting way of living for a new age guru corporation.  In the other world – where her blog resides – she trashed and demeaned Sarah Palin as being a detriment to women.

        Note to Liberal Women:  You can no longer have it both ways.  It’s called being a flaming hypocrite.

        • Flop_Flipper

          The word hypocrite is not in the Democrat dictionary.

          • Retired_from_SPOnaj

            Yes it is.  Except they call it Democrite.

  • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

    BREAKING NEWS!

    Hilary Rosen HAS APOLOGIZED!  ”Let’s declare peace in this phony war.”  - Hilary Rosen.

    • Flop_Flipper

      Is she admitting that the Dem labeled war on women is a hoax?  And are Little Debbie and Nasty Nancy going to publicly agree and apologize too? If so, and only if, I can move on. Be happy to.

      • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

        It will remain to be seen.  Obama lost the narrative in less than 24 hours.  It feels like a desperate course correction.

        What will the feminazis and liberal women have to attack now?

        • HoosierinDixie

          I am sure they would like nothing more then to sweep this narrative under the rug. The next 24-48 hour news cycle should be very telling how they will acheive it. Particularly interesting will be how CNN AC360 will address it. Since it took place on Anderson’s show, will he lead with it or devote a substantial portion of the show to it? I’m guessing he will not and follow the Obama campaign memo to retreat. Too bad for them that it is much to little, much too late.

          • Madame_deFarge

             We will take a page from their book and never let them forget it.  No peace, no apology, nada, no.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

         The full quote is “lets declare peace in this phony war on stay at home moms.” Um, she started it, but somehow she’s the victim. Total phony apology given because she *had* to — as of 10 this morning she was still refusing to back down.

        • Flop_Flipper

          She can’t back down because to do so would be to relinquish the Dem meme. And then they wouldn’t have any ammo left. Except the racist charge, of course.

    • HELENK2

       need a lot more from all of them.
      this has been an ongoing war since at least 2007. It will take a hell of  a lot more than a forced apology to declare peace.
      Women are not going to just ignore anymore.
      the dems forgot
      WHEN MOMMA AIN’T HAPPY, AIN’T NOBODY HAPPY

    • Retired_from_SPOnaj

      Possibly somewhat due to spot polling that indicated 90% of women supported Ann Romney and thought that Hillary Rosen was an obvious political hooker.  (With apologies to General “Fighting Joe” Hooker, after whom the coloquial term was oringially coined.)

      • Popsmoke

        General “Fighting Joe ” Hooker….. Yeah and he did as well at politics as as he did at Chancellorsville…. 

        • Retired_from_SPOnaj

          What a suitable pairing for Rosen.  OK, well, kind of.

          • Popsmoke

             Rosen is more like Douglas “Wrong Way” Corrigan including the excuses…..

    • jrterrier

      she starts the war; when the manure hits the fan, she wants out. 

  • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew J. Weaver

    Half a day and Rosen is now apologizing (in writing) and pleading for peace to move on.  No way.  No peace on this until she resigns or is fired and Obama specifically apologizes on behalf of his campaign.

    • Flop_Flipper

      Right on brother!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

       Jay Carney actually said in answer to the 35x Hilary Rosen’s name is on the WH guest list (Gen. Patraeus has 9x): “I know many Hilary Rosens. I don’t know that all those are this Hilary Rosen.” /eye roll.

  • Dissentispatriotic

    I admit to not having read the comments, but what is Ms. Rosen’s background as far as family goes?  Is she a mother or has she only worked in the real, money-making world?

  • Flop_Flipper

    What exactly do we know about Hilary Rosen? She says she is a mom and from what I’ve heard she has twins with her girlfriend. Was this from an adoption or sperm (John Edwards?) donor? Did she raise them or have someone else do so while she is working? I’ve been unable to get much info on this woman other than a short bio here and there.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

       Sorry, but I think your questions about the paternity of Rosen’s children are uncalled for.

      • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

        Women who have actually gone through labor and childbirth might think differently.  Just sayin’  ;-)

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

           Sorry, I meant it isn’t relevant to the discussion. And I stand by that as this line of questioning seems to be teetering very close to Andrew Sullivan territory, IMO.

          • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

            It was a *wink* comment.  Hilary Rosen adopted children with a former? female domestic partner.  So apparently the “work” of physical childbirth does not apply to either woman.

            That being said, Buzzfeed.com is all over the conservatives saying they are demeaning Hilary’s mom experience.

            So much for ending the war on women.

          • Flop_Flipper

            Perhaps you are reading something into my questions that wasn’t intended. Me close to Andrew Sullivan? That’s a viscous insult.

        • Madame_deFarge

           There is a certain mind set in the Lib community, especially with the celeb crowd, that you don’t give birth and spoil your figure, etc., you hire a surrogate or adopt.  I am interested to know about her experience in parenting. 

      • Flop_Flipper

        If Hilary Rosen is questioning the capacity for Ann Romney to understand the needs of normal women then I think we have the right to know what normal qualities Rosen thinks she has that make her qualify. It’s a very valid position.

        • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

          Have a feeling Rosen is worlds apart from the normal or average woman in America.

        • jrterrier

          I think the point is that under Rosen’s theory, she herself has no standing to speak for women.  Only waitresses from Nevada, who are single moms and struggling to pay for child care (Rosen’s example) can speak about the economic struggles, aspirations and interests of American women. 

          I don’t think Rosen or the President or any other politician is fit to speak on the subject.

      • Flop_Flipper

        Did Rosen raise her children as she claimed or did she hire a nanny?

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

          I’m sorry Flop_Flipper — I’m not trying to insult you (the Andrew Sullivan comment below was meant as a *wink*) but I don’t believe questioning Rosen as a mother, how she became a mother, etc. is the right tack. It is not only irrelevant, it will only help to give an advantage to the Left in this argument when they should have none.

    • Retired_from_SPOnaj

      Perhaps because you don’t have a DEMONLY clearance.

      • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

        just got that!  LOL!

  • Wisewoman2

    Thanks for the update.  That is what the dems do when they have opened a can of worms and they start crawling all over them.

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    OT, but this seems to be the day for Obama retreats.  Now he is saying the the Buffett Rule is a gimmick.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/rebuffing-obamas-buffett-rule/2012/04/11/gIQA7m4HBT_story.html?hpid=z4

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hank-DeCat/100001190387982 Hank DeCat

    Saw a great quote  Hallie Lord’s book Style, Sex and Substance on HA,  in which contributor Rebecca Ryskind Teti explains:

    There was a time when each household had to provide everything for itself. Economy,
    in fact, comes from the Greek word for household management, and it
    refers to all the activity necessary for a household to have what it
    needs. Each family planted crops, hunted game, spun its own cloth and so
    forth in a division of labor that assured that everyone in the
    household had what he or she needed to live well. And a household
    typically included not only a nuclear family, but also extended
    relatives and servants, because it took a lot of people to perform all
    the necessary tasks.
    “Business” is a form of task specialization by which the household
    outsources to others what it used to have to do by itself. Increasing
    specialization of this kind has led to massive changes in social
    organization, but it hasn’t changed the essential nature of the
    activity, which is to provide households with what they need to live
    well. We don’t talk about economics in these terms because we have
    become philosophical materialists, interested only in what and how,
    never concerning ourselves with the questions of origin (Why does this
    arise?) or purpose (To what end is it ordered?). It’s not necessary for a
    woman to “contribute” to the world of work. The world of work exists to be sure she has what she needs for her family (emphasis mine).

  • CathyInKs

    Hillary Rosen stuck her foot in her mouth big time!  How ironic – I remember some dems insinuating Sarah Palin should have been staying home taking care of her Downs Syndrome child when she was running for V. P.  Now the dems like Rosen are saying moms or dads or grandparents  – anyone who raises children and/or does volunteer work doesn’t really work if they’re at home and not being paid.  Hillary Rosen just illustrates the gross hypocrisy of the dem. party.  I’m just so glad I left that party.    Rosen is not only “stupid” but she is also arrogant.  She thinks she can get away with making remarks like this because unlike herself – she thinks most women are “too stupid” to see through her blatant hypocrisy! Problem is Rosen underestimated the intelligence of most Americans – they’re a hell of a lot smarter than her!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1429578258 Cerry H Klaver

    Some insight as to why Obama’s proxy was used to slight Ann Romney.  He always goes after the woman, the perceived weakest link:
    http://crayfisher.wordpress.com/2012/04/11/rosen-the-real-war-on-women/

    • CathyInKs

       Thanks for the link.  This is going to be a very “dirty campaign” but Ann Romney – bless her heart – is a “fighter”.

    • Flop_Flipper

      That is a great analysis. Thank you.

    • jrterrier

      The irony in all this is that Hilary Rosen had to put up with a lot of this garbage in 2008 when she supported Hillary Clinton.  She should have known better than to enlist in this fight. 

  • HELENK2
  • HELENK2

    you know  backtrack and bunch are in trouble
    whoopi defends Anne Romney

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/04/12/Whoopi-Defends-Ann-Romney

    • rr_ww

      I am surprised the Hollywood brightstar did not differentiate between stay-at-home-mom and stay-stay at home-home mom-mom…a la rape-rape comment of time back concerning Roman Polanski.

  • http://katzporch.com/ Ferd_Berfle

    Rosen’s comments would appear to be part of the *real* war on women. Certainly being a stay-at-home mother is such an easy existence–so easy, in fact, that I wish I could stay at home.

    My ass.

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    Sorry, technical failure.  I was going to say that it sounds to me like God was watching over that first granddaughter as well as your daughter and her husband.  And perhaps that second grandchild, as well.   My life is much richer because I share it with my brother.  

  • Dolly Cain

    Hillary Rosen – Moron and Clueless.  
    I feel a song coming on.

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    I know that Obama is supposed to have one pretty slick campaign team, but this Hillary Rosen war on moms incident will be studied in political science classes for years as a “how not to do it.”  First, political communications consultant Rosen is brought in to “tone down” the seemingly possessed rantings of DNC Chairwoman Deborah Wasserman-Schultz.  After visiting the White House more frequently than the Director of the CIA in the middle of a war on terrorism, Rosen then decides to make disparaging comments against the perfectly nice wife of an opposing presidential candidate principally because that candidate frequently remarks that he listens to his wife’s opinions.  Rosen, a single working mother (subsequent to her recent breakup with her domestic partner), somehow feels that her personal situation gives her more credibility with the general populace of American women than that of the opposing candidate’s wife.

    Failing in spot polling among a broad cross-section of American women 9 to 1 quite literally within hours of her gambit, Rosen is discarded under Mr. Obama’s campaign bus seven months before election day, supposedly to quietly check the axel rods.  A political communications consultant with at least the next seven months of her lucrative career in a death spiral circling down the Democratic comode, Rosen does not go gently into that good vehicular wheel well.  Meanwhile, Mr. Obama’s chief spokesman, the delightfully-named Carney (think: carnival), challenges the number of times that a person named Hillary Rosen has signed in to the White House by saying that he knows three separate Hillary Rosens himself, although he’s not quite sure just how many of the Hillary Rosens that he knows (or that exist, for that matter) have access to the White House. 

    And this is just day one.  Mr. Obama is supposedly scheduled to address the situation in a couple of hours, presumably after Mrs. Obama pulled his ass off of the sofa in his widescreen TV-equipped West Wing mancave and told him to speak up lest she become a target of those nasty Republicans.

    I can hardly wait.    

    • http://noquarterusa.net Larry Johnson

       Beautiful, pithy writing.  You nailed it dude.

    • Popsmoke

      I have a feeling that this is nothing in comparison to what is coming down the political pike……

    • Madame_deFarge

       Too late for her to hide from attacks…with all her “official” duties, state travel, etc.  She’s as much a target as he is.  To think he went on national tee vee demanding the media leave his family alone then turned the Dobermans loose on the Palin family.  Way too late now, Barry.

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    An interesting opener from a Wall Street Journal op ed:

    “With the presidential battle begun, the Obama campaign has revived the Cold War nuclear strategy of launch on warning. At any suggestion that a conservative idea might be threatening its ideological fortress, the American left now launches ICBMs of rhetorical destruction. ”

    Read the rest here:  http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304356604577337922580242292.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

    • Popsmoke

      “On Tuesday, Mr. Ryan pushed back. In an interview with the Christian Broadcasting Network, he said that in fact the Catholic Church’s “social magisterium” had informed his House budget. One goal of that teaching, he said, is to prevent the poor from staying poor. Nor, he added, should
      individuals become lifelong dependents of their government.”

      What miss interpertation of the Churches “social
      magisterium” doctrine…. http://lilt.ilstu.edu/jguegu/social.htmI suppose it also says pick and chose like Ryan does in his picking certain phrases of the Church’s doctrine to support his plan and as picks and chooses which cuts are to be made in his budget….As it is said, the devil is in the details…..Ryan needs a “discretionary” nuke dropped on his plan…

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  • elizabethrc

    In answer to your question, Larry: yes and yes.

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  • jrterrier

    Ann Romney hit it out of the ballpark today on Fox responding to Rosen.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pQvTmMtE7w

    And I loved Carney’s response to the media inquiries about the 35 times that Rosen has visited the WhiteHouse (as he tried to say that Rosen wasn’t associated with the Obama campaign.  Carney wasn’t sure it was the same Rosen.  Point of comparison, Gen Petraeus has visited the WH 9 times during the same period.

     http://youtu.be/Bs_5CapvQOI

  • Theymustbemorons

    This is the same wing of the Democratic Party that treated returning Vietnam Vets like dirt back in the day.  Now they gush “Thank you for your service…” when introduced to a soldier.  Can’t wait for them to create a new greeting when introduced to stay at home Moms … 20 years from now.  Disgusting.

    • Madame_deFarge

       Indeed, Mooch’s love for the military is laughable. 

  • no_longer_a_democrat

    No moms are “deadbeats”, moms who work, moms who stay at home, its all to be respected.
    If a woman wants to work and be a mom, good for her, if she wants to stay at home, good for her, if a woman doesn’t want to be married & have kids, good for her, if a woman wants to adopt, good for her.
    Its her choice. The woman’s movement is to make those choices available to HER! It was not to make one woman’s choice another woman’s choice! That is HER choice to make. Respect it DNC!
    This aint’ 2008, we ex-dems have seen this crap  before, the palinizing of Ann Romney has begun. Good for Ann for fighting back, I really like Ann Romney!

    • http://twitter.com/VeronicaVerona1 Veronica Verona

      Well, to be honest,  if you’ve ever seen some episodes of Dog the Bounty Hunter there are some deadbeat moms.  

      But, by far, the majority of women are getting up every morning and doing their best. 

       The DNC only values a woman who is marching to the Obama tune this time around.

      Been there, seen it before.  Not going to listen ever again.  Women do not need some other woman telling them how to think.  (Memo to Oprah and the View).

  • CynthiaRuccia

    There’s definitely a war FOR women’s votes. And the dems have unleashed their venom in the form of Hilary Rosen. Remember that she never cut Hillary Clinton any slack either. Both sides have acted like morons and don’t understand what women want. More on that here:

    http://www.womenwintoo.blogspot.com/2012/04/war-for-women-is-on.html 

  • bbf

    HILARY ROSEN IS AN IDIOT.  

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LJJL7YUEGHHUIFLT6AYWY5CC4E Dbeez1252

    A moron or clueless? What? Because she revealed that Democrats (and that would include the proprietor of this website) hate, loath, and despise everything and everyone traditional, normal, heterosexual, and above all, “white.” She revealed the Democrat Party’s take over by the radical left including the murderous union thug Trumka and and his sidekick Hoffa, who threatened war on the nation if Obama was not re-elected, the murderous radicals Bill Ayers, et ux, Bernadine Dohrn, and the hate and contempt of the leftwing lesbian community for anyone who would have been regarded 50 years ago as someone to admire BECAUSE she stayed home to raise her children? My God what madness this has all come to! You Clinton Democrats allowed this to happen. You’re every bit as responsible as the communists you let take over your party. That’s maybe a cold remark, but sometimes the truth hurts. So now you have to deal with it because you didn’t have the balls to stand up to the thugs 4 years ago. You wouldn’t call them out for what they were. Now the whole nation faces bankruptcy and possible disunion. We have blacks in the streets and in the schools of my state threatening race war, sometimes openly, sometimes with the thinnest of media veneer. So burn in hell you Dems! Morons! FOOLS. You were hoodwinked and now all of America must pay for what you’ve either joined in or what you allowed to be done. So sad to say, but you all know it’s the truth.