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Astounding Numbers Unearthed on Global War on Terror + Open Thread

Just watch this … soon enough, Fareed Zakaria gets into the stats that had my jaw dropping. Homeland Security now has a workforce of 240,000 people.

There are 30,000 Homeland Security people whose sole function is to listen in on telephone calls within the United States. It goes on and on.

For more …

… check out Zakaria’s essay, “Fareed’s Take: U.S. has made war on terror a war without end.”

  • Propertius

    That 240,000 figure doesn’t include contractors. If you include the folks at Raytheon, LockMart,  and all the other Beltway Bandits the figure is much, much higher.

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    The real story of how Obama got Osama bin Laden is now out.  Includes a photo of Osama’s dead body and the headshot that ended his life.

    http://sbynews.blogspot.com/2012/05/how-gutsiest-president-ever-single.html

    • Flop_Flipper

      Without a doubt, one of the funniest things I’ve seen.

  • HELENK2

    open letter to backtrack from former Navy Seal

    stop using us for politcal purposes

    http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2012/05/former-seal-to-bho-stop-using-
    us-as.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2FrnoHn+%28Wake+up+America%29

  • HELENK2

    Haaretz.com

    @haaretzonline

    BREAKING NEWS: Netanyahu, Mofaz in talks to form unity government, cancel elections

    hunkering down for war?????????
     

    • HELENK2

       http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/05/08/Come-Together-Netanyahu-to-Form-Unity-Government-Elections-Canceled

      article  on subject

    • HELENK2

       http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/05/08/netenyahu-consolidates-power-military-strikes-against-iran-to-follow-wsi-related/

      ulsterman on this subject.

  • HARP2

     Health Care for Me, But Not for Thee? DWS Says She ‘Earned’ Her Cadillac Health Care Coverage
    Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/debbie-wasserman-shultz/2012/05/07/health-care-me-not-thee-dws-says-she-earned-her-cadillac-health-care-coverage#ixzz1uEBOmnMK

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304451104577390422568086882.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories

    Apparently, a TSA-trained CIA officer surreptitiously groped an AQ guy wearing the explosive jock strap.  When the AQ guy didn’t jump, they realized that he was a eunuch that had been specially modified for this mission.

    The FBI is now squeezing him for information.  Where they are squeezing him, no one knows. 

    • HARP2

       He would be easy to spot.
      Probably the only one wearing underwear.

  • HELENK2

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/05/05/british-media-does-job-us-journalists-refuse-to-do

    british media does job US journalists refuse to do on covering backtrack

  • HARP2

    Did he forget her on purpose ?
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vss6WI3-MAk&feature=player_embedded

    • HELENK2

       I just thought that since they usually travel separately , he did not realise she was on the same  plane.
      He most likely was watching a basketball game and ignoring her

    • KenoshaMarge

      Is that what a feminist looks like? Or just your average run-of-the-mill lout?

  • HARP2

     Bake sales, the calorie-laden standby cash-strapped classrooms, PTAs
    and booster clubs rely on, will be outlawed from public schools as of
    Aug. 1 as part of new no-nonsense nutrition standards, forcing
    fundraisers back to the blackboard to cook up alternative ways to raise
    money for kids.

    At a minimum, the nosh clampdown targets so-called “competitive”
    foods — those sold or served during the school day in hallways,
    cafeterias, stores and vending machines outside the regular lunch
    program, including bake sales, holiday parties and treats dished out to
    reward academic achievement. But state officials are pushing schools to
    expand the ban 24/7 to include evening, weekend and community events
    such as banquets, door-to-door candy sales and football games.

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1061129772

    • HELENK2

       I guess that ends moms bringing in cupcakes to celebrate a birthday with a kid’s class

      • HARP2

         This what they get for voting in womb to tomb idiots.

    • FormerLiberal9

       This is all the fault of MO the twinkie Nazi.

  • HELENK2
  • EllenD818

    Well, since this  is an open thread please let me discuss the inflation of the middle class.
    I was raised during the Leave it to Beaver era, the Holy Grail of the middle class ideal, so when someone my son’s age asked me what it was like to live in  that fabled age when a one-income family could own a house with a two car garage and not worry about money I said that from my experience it was just that – a fable.

    My Father and Mother lived with my grandparents and when my grandparents died they were left their tiny house.  They used that to parlay into a bungalow in the suburbs where it was much cheaper. A ONE-car garage home. If they hadn’t inherited the starter house they couldn’t have managed it.
    My father used the car – not a new one – to drive to work. The rest of us took the bus and I biked everywhere. My mom only shopped on Friday payroll nights when my dad could drive her and the groceries home.
    My mom and I made our own clothes. She cut my hair and that of my sister. My dad worked on the house and the car. My mom  saved money out of housekeeping so my sister and I could take the  bus for a treat to the Saturday Matinee.
    We never went hungry even though my mom’s servings were way smaller than what people eat now. My sister and I were happy at school.
    We felt like the luckiest people in the world.

    Today I saw a woman saying that she worried about slipping out of the middle class into poverty. They didn’t show  her house but it probably went with the late model SUV that she was driving the children to their lessons in. I suspect her house was also late model  with granite counters.
    I always thought my family was a middle class family in the fifties but I guess this lady would have looked at us as being poor. How sad for her. We were richer than she will ever know.

    • DianaLC

      My life growing up during the heyday of Leave It to Beaver was much as yours.  My mom and dad finally got the slab, two-bedroom home with a detatched one-car garrage when I was about four. 

      We kids walked to school.  Dad drove to work, Mom stayed home to do the house work and yard work.  She grew a large graden, dried the laundry on a clothesline in the back, and sewed most of our clothes.

      She and dad drove with us into town on Saturdays to do the bill paying (using a stamp would have been wasteful) and grocering shopping. 

      It was definitely not at the same level of Beaver’s lifestyle, but what was the same is that we kids did respect our parents and their rules.  My mom was there after school.  We all played in the yards around our small town, and everyone knew everyone else.

      I agree with you about what people expect nowadays in order to be considered true middle class.  We could all do with far less stuff.  But still, I cannot see my sons being able to live too long and raise a four-kid family on one salary the way it is today, even if they didn’t think they needed all the blingy stuff.

      • EllenD818

         Thanks, Diana. I had forgotten that it was a 2 bedroom home – hence the bunk beds.
        But people ARE being forced to live on one salary today with unemployment what it is – they just have to dial back their consumer expectations and stop beating themselves over the head.
        One salary doesn’t make them poor – NO SALARY makes them poor.
        And thanks for the clothesline reminder. I now remember the washer with the wringer on top.
        And I loved your stamp story.

        • FormerLiberal9

           Many people today are just poor in character and haven’t a clue what is really important in life. I know there were many bad things in those days segregation ect. But life was simpler and in many ways people were happier.

  • HELENK2
  • HELENK2

    something neat

    Olympic boat built from 1200 pieces of wood, including fragments
    from Henry VIII flagship Mary Rose and Jimi Hendrix’s guitar launched –
    PA
     

  • HELENK2

    Afghan President Karzai says strategic pact with US at risk of becoming ‘meaningless’ if Afghans do not feel safe: statement – @Reuters
     

    • KenoshaMarge

      Karzai says?

  • HELENK2
  • HELENK2

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/07/justice-for-sale-holder

    DOJ for sale justice. just how many wall st investigations under holder???????

  • Hokma

    I won’t know if anyone had posted Michael Mukasey’s op-ed in the WSJ yet which also references the CYA memo that Larry had referred to the other day:
     
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303916904577374552546308474.html
     
    In quoting the memo that refers to Admiral McRaven’s orders Mukasey states: “Which is to say, if the mission went wrong, the fault would be Adm. McRaven’s, not the president’s.”
     
    Mukasey then goes into Obama’s propensity to claim credit by constantly using the word “I” in every sentence and action.
     
    What puts this away is how Mukasey used the one historical reference Obama always sets as his standard: Abraham Lincoln.
     
    “Abraham Lincoln, on the night after Gen. Robert E. Lee’s surrender ended the Civil War, delivered from the window of the White House a speech that mentioned his own achievements not at all, but instead looked forward to the difficulties of reconstruction and called for black suffrage. . . “
     
    “Lincoln took responsibility in August 1862 for failures that had been attributed to General George McClellan—eventually sacked for incompetence—and Secretary of War Edwin Stanton.”
     
    Mukasey then went on and reference similar statements made by Dwight D. Eisenhower before and after D-Day – never accepting credit but making sure he would take the blame.
     
    He even made a reference following the capture of Saddam Hussein and GW Bush who gave credit to all involved and never once cited himself.
     
    In looking back at the Obama commercial where he took credit for the killing of Bin Laden, one has to wonder if Bill Clinton knew what his words meant when he mentioned the political risk Obama took for himself and how horribly that would be taken.

    • KenoshaMarge

      Clinton must have known. After all Bill Clinton is regularly touted, even by those that don’t like him, as one of the most savvy politicians around.

      I think he just accidently told the truth truth  instead of the political truth.

       There’s talk around that some sites have scrubbed the “fatal” two words. Anyone seen that?

      • Hokma

        I heard that NBC deleted those words in their news coverage.

        Great cartoon!

        • KenoshaMarge

          Figures it would be NBC.

          Chet Huntley and David Brinkley must be spinned in their graves to see such dishonest reporting at their old stomping grounds.

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    Reading the chapter in Ali Soufan’s book on Osama Air would be just one reference point in questioning just how capable AQ and its fellow travelers are.

  • HELENK2

    I brought this up from downstairs.

     http://weaselzippers.us/2012/05/06/report-secret-u-s-program-releasing-high-level-taliban-detainees-if-they-promise-not-to-return-to-battlefield/

    we are releasing high level taliban detainees, if they promise not to return to the battlefield

    so who is winning???? A catch and release program is not something I ever heard of in war

  • HELENK2

    when I see women in muslim dress at an airport as TSA workers and our military having to take off their shoes and go through a monitor to board a plane to go home, I kinda figure al queda won.

    WhenI read about the elderly and children being molested at an airport, I kinda figure al queda won

    When I read about the freedoms we lost due to our governments reaction to 9-11, I kinda figure al queda won

    When I read about the building of a mosque at ground zero and anyone who opposes it is criticized, I kinda  figure al queda won

    When many ways of American life is changed and not for the better, I kinda figure al queda won

  • beyond_words24

    Those are some scary numbers (and notions).

    Here is a very long but interesting documentary i’ve had the pleasure of viewing :

    America: Freedom to Fascism

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173&q=freedom+to+fascism&pr=goog-sl

    Many of the interviews and court cases are from 3 decades ago but are well done in the points they drive home.
     

  • HARP2
    • DianaLC

      Well, now!  I am, of course, shocked.  (SNARK)

    • KenoshaMarge

      Of course he did. Credit for all that goes right and blame for anything that goes wrong. Typical Obama.

  • DianaLC

    As a former liberal (now an ex-Dem), I do remember that even immediately after the 9/11 attacks, I was most definitely against the many things put in place under the DHS–especially the telephone monitoring.  I STILL AM!

    • DianaLC

      And I say these things as an ex-public school teacher who watched Stossel’s Stupid in America documentary last night.  It really did hit the nail on the head about what is wrong with public schools in our country and explained well why our top-down education system does not work.

      • Popsmoke

        I love these guys in the press. Whether right or left. They all point to the problems… But have NO real answers to solve them…

        • DianaLC

          Popsmoke–it’s obvious that you don’t seem to understand that Stossel is a libertarian, and that the program last night DID indeed show solutions.

          • Popsmoke

            No I did not see the program. But I also normally disagree with Stossel. He is way to libertarian for my taste. I am a mix of conservative and libertarian, I say 60/40 split. Stossel is dam near 100% libertarian he makes Ron Paul look like a liberal….

          • April454

            Stossel is a complete moron.

          • DianaLC

            Evidently, April454 (if he/she/it is not really PPAA and from out of the country) must have been in one of our public schools–stupid calling Stossel a moron._

          • FormerLiberal9

             No April could not be PPAA. When did you ever see PPAA post a five word comment? (see below)

        • DianaLC

          But, you are avoiding the issue of whether or not he provided solutions.  The only thing he left out is the growing homeschooling movement–it’s not just for religious fundamentalists now.  And colleges and universities are actively recruiting homeschooled children. 

          You seem to be someone basing your thoughts by using the genetic fallacy.  Where it comes from should not influence the discussion of ideas in the report.  And, by the way, it’s the conservative movement that really got the ball rolling in regard to school choice.

          As far as I can tell, you are just a contrarian with no solutions of your own other than to constantly be the curmudgeon on the site grumping that both sides are at fault.

        • jrterrier

          Pop, did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed today?  Stossel, who sometimes oversensationalizes, had some answers yesterday:  charter schools, or at least the elimination of teacher tenure that protects teachers instead of students.  and elimination of bureaucracy.  

          • Popsmoke

            No I normally eat gun powder for breakfast…. :-)

            Charter schools are a not a proven factor to replace public schools. This is nothing more than privatizing our education system. Tenure? That needs to be based on merit and performance… School bureaucracy and/or the board of education? They need to be cut and answerable to the public.

            But none of what Strossel’s report is news worthy. Its actually old news…..

      • FormerLiberal9

         I live near the Kansas City, Mo. school district which has been without state accreditation for years now. I feel so sorry for the kids who have to put up with the corruption and foolish behavior of the school board and elected officials. The only hope for a good education for these students IMO are Charter schools.

    • April454

      So we should cut education spending in this country while spending an obscene amount of money on the military and the security appratus.

      The Department of Education’s budget is $69.8 billion or 1.7% of the federal budget. Military/security spending is $1.4 trillion or about 35% of the federal budget.

      Do you even know what the DoE spends its money on?

      34% goes to Pell Grants. So you think this spending on our youth and their education is a waste of time.

      18% of the Education department budget goes to Special Education.

      Much of the rest goes to student aid and education programs.

      How do you expect the U.S. to compete in a world where our biggest competitors spend a considerable amount on education and offer much cheaper education options to their people?

      This is the problem with you conservatives. You do not believe in investing in this country and in its future. Sad really. No long-term thinking, only short-term politics.

      You and Stossel deserve each other.

      • Hokma

        PPAA – the problem you don’t have an education – don’t have kids – and don’t know how education works in this country. Education is at the community and city level. They build the schools, hire the teachers, and write the curricula using local property taxes and state money. The Federal government writes a bunch of policy books and that’s about it. They took over the student loans from private banks and screwed it up.  So why do we have a department of education? No reason other than to use more taxpayer money to pay bureaucrats to perform no service as well as to make morons like you feel good.

        Go back into your basements and go back to reading Dick and Jane.

      • FormerLib160

        “So you think this spending on our youth and their education is a waste of time.”

        It didn’t help you much April.

      • DianaLC

        Well, obviously you couldn’t bring yourself to watch Stossel (that would be you committing the genetic fallacy).  He was basically showing how our charter schools and alternative schools are doing WAY better than the regular public schools in terms of student performance.  They do not have to follow the same NEA controlled rules about teachers that the regular public schools follow.

        It’s the NEA controlled Dept. of Ed. and the state Departments of Ed that cause the problem.  Charter schools, while they are public, are mostly run by parents or charter school organizations and do get public money—but much less than the regular public schools get  and educate students far better.

        The segment I enjoyed was the one about the charter schools that all sprang up when the public school system in New Orleans was devastated by Katrina.  The test scores in New Orleans are now MUCH higher than they were under the old union-dominated public schools.

        I have taught in public schools and, though my state is not one of the worst, and according to the displaced senior student from New Orleans I had after Katrina, were ten times better than his schools in New Orleans that were destroyed, I know that in our state the homeschooled kids, the charter school kids, the kids in schools of choice always do better than the public school kids.  The public school establishment fights the establishment of charter schools and the rights of parents to educate their kids at home or in private schools using all kinds of fake reasons.  The administration and the teachers just do not want to give up their jobs-for-life and have to prove themselves as teachers the way the teachers do (because they can be fired) in the others.

        Throwing money at this problem since the Reagan years and the report Reagan commissioned entitled A Nation at Risk has not resulted in any improvement really.  It’s time to quit throwing money at the problem and to make better schools possible for all kids by breaking the NEA’s and the Ed Departments’ control over local schools. 

        I alwasys point out to people on this site that when Billy Ayers decided to become part of the “establishment” and give up his ideas to kill police officers, he chose to become a professor in the Ed Dept.–probably because no other self-respecting academic department would accept him.

      • FormerLiberal9

         The county I live in is very fiscally conservative we have consistently voted to spend money on our schools. But we expect a good return on our money and realize that just spending more money will not solve all school related problems. As a result our county has a very good schools and are highly rated nationally.

        BTW I didn’t see anywhere in Diana comments where she said that spending on education was a waste of time. The only thing I saw in her comments was she thought Department of Education was a bad idea not that spending on education was a waste. I am sure Diana , as a former educator, knows more about the problems with our educational system than the average commenter on this site. Maybe if you listened to what she says about education rather than jump to conclusions you might learn something.  

        • KenoshaMarge

          I didn’t see her say that either. She does seem to believe that the DHS is a waste of time and money and a good many people agree.

          Typical troll hyperbole.

  • FormerLiberal9

    I take anything Fareed says with a very large dose of salt. I’m I supposed to believe that this uberLiberal really cares about our overspending on protecting the American people?

    • Popsmoke

      Of course he does not. BUT he does care about ratings! Now all you have to do is blow away the smoke and put your finger on the real facts he and other present. Then the old neurons will really start firing!

      • FormerLiberal9

         Skepticism IMO is the best way to ferret out the truth not blind acceptance of supposed facts presented by  those who have a clear political agenda.

  • Popsmoke

    Before everyone starts pointing fingers at Obama, the democrats, Romney and the republicans. 

    Being in DC on 911 and unfortunately being in the middle of some of this news and policy wonking.  DHS was a rush creation by both parties and the white house. Neither the republicans nor the democrats member had any balls to question nor confine the legislation.

    They ALL were literally signing kumbaya. I blame this on the politics of the attack, the over hype of AQs capabilities and having us caught and embarrasses with our pants down. I sat with a House Committee Chairman while talks about AQ using Dengue Feaver as a biological weapon were discussed. I walked out of that meeting wondering if I would get arrested for banging my head on the wall of the Rayburn Office Building….

    However, since I would say 2005 we should have started settling down not continue cranking up the monster. This is a fault of both President Bush now President Obama and 98% of Congress. Let not add all the pressure the military industrial and security lobby is putting on the Hill…

    Romney and Obama must start cutting the budget and that needs to include defense and DHS….

    • Hokma

      I still don’t understand the point of DHS now?

      • Propertius

         Domestic repression.

    • April454

      I agree with most of this post. However, the Republicans have no interest in cutting defense and security spending. Their Ryan budget that they all voted for has zero military spending cuts in it. As usual they are not being realistic.

      Any time the Democrats even suggest a cut in the rate of growth in military spending they get shouted down by the Republicans.

    • Propertius

       

      DHS was a rush creation by both parties and the white house. Neither the
      republicans nor the democrats members had any balls to question nor
      confine the legislation.

      I agree – it was the product of panic, pure and simple, as was the Patriot Act. People make bad decisions when they’re panicked. I guess the question is, why are we still panicked 11 years later? And why has this Administration not only continued these policies, but greatly expanded them?

  • April454

    Another Bush era make work project… just like the +$1.2 trillion we spend on security in this country. And the GOP will not let us cut any of this spending. The Ryan “budget” or now the Romney budget has zero security/military spending cuts. With only 5% of the global population spending more than 50% of the global security spending we are a very paranoid bunch.

    • KenoshaMarge

      Of course it’s all Bush’s fault, or Paul Ryan, one congressman out of 435. The House is controlled by Republicans while the Senate and White House, not to mention the liberal Journolist obamamedia is controlled by the Democrats.

      If the GOP manages to run everything, and thwart everything the Obama Administration wants/tries to do then the Obama Administration with it’s press agents in the obamamedia  is one sick, weak, ineffective and sad bunch of whiny losers. Nothing is ever the fault of the left. Nothing!

      Always ignored is the the Dems had both houses of congress from 2006 to 2010 and the White House after 2008. If they had wanted to downsize or eliminate all these entities why didn’t they? Oh that’s right, the GOP wouldn’t let them.

      You are a waste of time. And space. But somehow just letting your pile of bullshit lay there and stink up the place annoyed me.

      • HARP2

        Just leave a pile of crap and Democrats are bound to show up.

      • Retired_from_SPOnaj

        When the Democrats held the White House, two thirds of the Senate and the House of Representatives during 2009, the GOP completely thwarted all Democratic plans to create jobs and close Guantanamo.  Hmmmm….if the Republicans can totally thwart President Obama when he holds filibuster-proof majorities in both houses of Congress, what does it take to give him enough juice in Congress to get anything done?

        • KenoshaMarge

          A massive transfusion? Although I don’t think you can transfuse the right kind of juice.

        • April454

          Obama never had filibuster proof control of the Senate. Several Democratic bluedogs assured that for a very few short months.

          • TeakWoodKite

            You can’t own it. Pity. Always excuses with this one.

          • Retired_from_SPOnaj

            Oh, I didn’t know that.  So, as you point out, the Senate opposition to President Obama was truly bipartisan.

        • Propertius

           

          what does it take to give him enough juice in Congress to get anything done?

          And why couldn’t the Democrats use this awesome minority power to block Bush’s executive power grabs in the first place?

          Why couldn’t then-Senator Barack Obama, who not only promised to vote against telecom immunity but promised to filibuster it, succumb to the Evil Republican Mind Control ™ and end up voting for it (unlike Biden, Clinton, Kucinich, etc.).

          Did they cloud his mind so that he was unable to distinguish between “yea” and “nay”?

      • April454

        The Ryan budget has been endorsed and voted on by both the Republican party and Romney. There are zero miliary spending cuts in it. The Republicans have to live with the piece of crap. It is their plan and now Romney’s plan for America.

        Hard to do anything when you need 60 votes in the Senate and the GOP is only interested in blocking everything. The GOP screamed when Obama only wanted to slow military spending, nevermind some actual cuts.

        The Dems had both Houses between 2006 and 2010? Bush blocked every single thing the Democrats proposed after 2006. The GOP has since done the same with Obama. He was lucky to get the stimulus and healthcare done in the narrow window he had done.

        • jrterrier

          the obama budget has been rejected by both DEMS and REPS.  the one Pres Obama presented last year was rejected by every senator, including every DEM.  this year’s budget was rejected by every DEM in th House.  Reid doesn’t want to bring it up for a vote to avoid the embarrassment.

        • Retired_from_SPOnaj

          How come he didn’t do Guantanamo in that narrow window, as well?  That would seem to be a simple proposition if he could do the much more complicated stimulus and healthcare.

          • April454

            Guantanamo is hardly the most important thing in the world, but as you should know the Obama adminstration wanted to close it and bring those prisoners back to the U.S., but they were blocked.

        • Propertius

           Funny that Reid never called the Republicans’ bluff and actually made them filibuster, the way LBJ did to the Dixiecrats when they tried to block the Civil Rights Act of 1957 during his time as Senate Majority Leader. I’m sure that by the third or fourth time he’d done that, the Republicans would have been much more tractable.

        • KenoshaMarge

          Yeah he sure was lucky to get the Stimulus and Obamacare done. Things he now doesn’t talk about as he tries to get re-elected because they are so unpopular with the public. Dems don’t even mention the word “stimulus” because it’s so toxic.

          I don’t think “lucky” was the word I would have used.

          We’ve all ready wasted far more time with you than you’re worth.

        • FormerLiberal9

          “Hard to do anything when you need 60 votes in the Senate and the GOP is only interested in blocking everything.”

          What? Reid won’t let anything come to the floor for a vote for fear that some democrats will break ranks and vote for a republican proposal. And the Republicans are blocking everything. What a lie!!! 

          Obama and the Dems what a failure………
          What a bunch of whining crybabies………

        • Retired_from_SPOnaj

          President Obama was “blocked” by a two thirds Democratic majority of the Senate and a Democratic  majority of the House?  Wow.  What would it take for him to pass a simple, unimportant thing like Guantanamo?  I mention it because he promised it several times during his campaign, I was sure that with Democrat majorities in the Senate and House that it would be one of the first things that he accomplished. 

      • Propertius

         Obama isn’t “left” – except rhetorically. I mean, even his cousin Darth Cheney never asserted that the executive has the right to assassinate US citizens on Presidential whim without trial.

        • KenoshaMarge

          I agree that Obama isn’t left. Or right correct about much of anything. From my observations Obama is simply a party of one, the Obama Party, that has been embraced by the left.
           
          The fact is that the left excuses things done by Obama that would be cause for furious fauxrage if done by anyone on the right.

    • Flop_Flipper

      Sometimes I really do feel sorry for you Obots. You honestly believe the nonsense you spew. It’s sad to see such a waste of human potential.

      Of course it never occurred to you that the Department of Homeland Security was the brainchild of DEMOCRAT, Joe Lieberman. So at least, now ya know. Hope that doesn’t screw with your neurons too much. Idiot!

      • April454

        Liberman is still a Democrat? I think precisely his support of the war and war spending is the reason he was given the boot. He had a hand in Homeleand security, but it was a Republican President in charge who created it and took our military spending through the roof. Guys like Larry Johnson I am sure took full advantage of all that spending.

        • Steve_in_KC

          I find it interesting that all these comments from April454 – note the 54- have ONE LIKE per comment, and when I click to see who “liked” those comments, it always comes up being “Scottymac54″, who was once a prolific commenter here until he was banned.  Perhaps Scotty decided to try on the “April” moniker to see if trying to pass for female would get him better acceptance.

          • Retired_from_SPOnaj

            Oh, is April454 a woman?  I always considered s/he to be gender neutral.

          • Propertius

             I suspect that the number is an extension at OFA/DNC headquarters ;-)

          • April454

            You seem very confused. You cannot “like” your own posts.

          • Propertius

            You seem very confused. You cannot “like” your own posts.

            Dearest April:

            From the Internet Jargon File:

            sock puppet: n. [Usenet: from the act of placing a sock over your hand and talking
            to it and pretending it's talking back] In Usenet parlance, a
            pseudo through which the puppeteer posts follow-ups
            to their own original message to give the appearance that a number of
            people support the views held in the original message. See also
            astroturfing, tentacle.

        • TeakWoodKite

          April, asking if Liberman is a still a democrat is like asking if he is still Jewish. You do recall that he was backstabbed by Obama?

          Hey ScootyMac54…Why you hiding under April454′s Berka?. Please feel free to channel April454….

          • April454

            Yeah… Obama really backstabbed Lieberman. I guess Obama forced Lieberman to speak at the GOP convention.

            You guys are very confused about this username thing..

    • Retired_from_SPOnaj

      Isn’t it true that most historians believe Barack Obama to be the most intelligent and successful President in the history of the United States?  Explain to us why they do.

      • Propertius

         I regard him as the most successful Republican President since Ronald Reagan.