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Fast & furiously: What’s the hold-up, Holder? Oh …

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Instant classic posted by Drudge

We learn that President Obama, twice within a week, is exerting executive power over Congress, despite the Constitionally-mandated requirement set out by our nation’s Founders that the three branches be co-equal in their level of power … all because AG Eric Holder refuses to hand over documents to members of a Congressional committee (House Oversight, chaired by Darrell Issa [R-Calif]).

Bret Baier, on Fox News TV, says that once the Executive Branch does this, it means that the White House must be “DIRECTLY INVOLVED” [in the non-disclosure of the documents]. Good god. So? Does this mean that the White House is in effect admitting that it has been involved in the Fast & Furious brouhaha and (?) in the cover-up of certain documents for some time?

“It doesn’t make sense to me why the White House would want to blow this up,” said a Fox analyst. “If you have nothing to hide, don’t hide it,” noted the Fox News host wryly.

Via Memeorandum, there’s a developing story from Fox News: Obama grants Holder request on ‘Furious’ documents as contempt vote looms “:

DEVELOPING … President Obama has granted an 11th-hour request by Attorney General Eric Holder to exert executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents, a last-minute maneuver that appears unlikely to head off …

“Eric Holder has made his third retraction,” said Fox analyst Rich Lowry on live TV.

“We’ll let these bad actors buy guns but have no means of tracking what happens to those guns,” Lowry added in explaining why the “Fast and Furious” program was a bad idea from its outset.

They predict the House committee will vote to hold Holder in contempt, and that the full House will also vote Holder in contempt. What happens after that seems quite unclear.

One Fox host says that, because of Obama’s action, those documents may never be made public.

  • alicewolf

    Valerie Jarrett must be working her shredder overtime.
    Shred that thing Lady Mae, like you shredded the constitution.
    That will live in the hearts of all US Citizens for ever, it is engraved on our hearts, whatever dreary emails etc you may be deleting or documents you may be shredding or redacting, they will not be making it into the Love Box. We hope that the Obama Administration and all it’s creepy correspondance is on it’s way into the Sea of Forgetfulness. We really need to pray that it be placed there right away so we can get on with our lives.

  • http://twitter.com/beyondpartisan beyond partisan

    This is my gut feeling on this. I could be wrong.

    I think Obama is going down for this. And if not this, something related. Even if he does get re-elected, he will not be in office another 4 years. There have been a lot of things he *should* have gone down for (the “born in Kenya” thing on his bio for 16 years)…but this is something the MSM will not be able to ignore.

    Obama is going down. Count on it!

  • HELENK2
  • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

    Co-equal branches of government. When the executive branch ignores the legislative branch, the judicial branch will decide. But here’s the dire possibility. Assume that the federal court determines the executive must hand over the requested documents. What if they don’t?

    This was the real threat of ‘Watergate.’ If the President refuses a court order; do we arrest him for contempt? Thankfully, in the end; President Nixon handed over the tapes. Nevertheless, he faced impeachment because of his conduct with respect to the cover-up.

    President Obama may decide not to hand over the requested documents. No doubt, this would trigger articles of impeachment, too.

    • Hokma

      Absolutely agree. I think Issa and Boehner handled this carefully and methodically to get to this point. There was no rush to judgement and Holder was given every opportunity to thoroughly report and comply. He chose not to for whatever reason.
      I was not sure Obama had anything to do with this but it is a certainty he was involved now. As Nixon learned it is never the crime that gets you – it’s always the cover-up.
      It will only get worse for Obama when it comes to the national security leaks. That could be worse than Watergate.
      I believe Obama has gotten himself into this trouble because he never managed anything in his life and completely relies on political hacks like David Axelrod and Valerie Jarrett.

      • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

        Yes; but, whether the issue was ‘cover-up’ of the break-in or, involvement in the first place; in the end, that is, by obeying the court order to release what he had claimed were privileged documents; even President Nixon demonstrated a love for country which was greater than his considerable hubris.

        • Hokma

          One thing can be said about Nixon is that in his retirement from the Presidency he admitted to all his mistakes in hoping that other Presidents would not make them.

          I think that has been the case until Obama whose hubris is exponentially greater than Nixon’s.

          Obama’s hubris can be compared to the bubris of young person starting out in a career – say in law – and believing that they can argue any case before the Supreme Court as good as an attorney whose done it for 25 years.

    • Dissentispatriotic

      I believe the decision went to the Supreme Court over the Watergate matter. At that point, Barry runs out of cover just like Nixon did.

      • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

        The SCOTUS only ruled on whether the tapes in question were privileged, as President had claimed as the basis for his refusal to hand them over to Congress. But what if President Nixon had refused to hand over the tapes? (This was the fear I expressed upthread.)

  • HELENK2
  • HELENK2

    http://hotair.com/archives/2012/06/20/breaking-issas-house-committee-votes-to-hold-holder-in-contempt/

    Terry family says holders refusal and backtrack decision have made matters worse

  • HELENK2

    off topic

    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-supreme-court-may-release-healthcare-verdict-thursday-20120620,0,4104967.story

    backtrack’s week might get worse. Supreme court could release obamacare verdict tomorrow.

  • shelldoll2

    What I find interesting is that Obama is asserting Executive Privilege to shield documents about a program he claims he knew nothing about. If he had no knowledge why the need for Presidential Privilege at all? All he needs to do is continue his Sgt Schultz routine and say “I know Nuthink! Nuthink!” For once his ignorance and sheer stupidity may pay off.

    • HARP2

      What I find stunning is the fact that they keep blaming Bush. If this was Bush`s fault I think they would hand over the documents pretty quick.

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    Based on comments so far, it would appear that the talking points coming out of the WH are so poor that even the OBorg won’t cut and paste them.

  • HELENK2

    CNN tweeted:

    House Leadership says #fastandfurious contempt floor vote will be next week unless AG Holder relents and provides documents.

  • HELENK2

    Holder says House vote is an ‘election-year tactic intended to distract attention’ – statement via @NBCNews

    • APO_AE_09173

      Pelosi said this is an attempt by the GOP to supress voter turn out. I swear to God…That woman has NO SHAME!!

  • getfitnow

    Wow, That One was against executive privilege before he was for it.

    POTUS is wee wee’ed up!

  • HoosierinDixie

    Committee votes 23-17 along party lines for contempt. Full house to vote next week unless Holder comes through with docs.

  • jrterrier

    Flashback 2007: Harry Reid Says Bush’s Use Of Executive Privilege Is “Like Saying, ‘I’m King’”…
    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/06/20/flashback-2007-harry-reid-says-bushs-use-of-executive-privilege-is-like-saying-im-king/

  • KataKimbe

    It is very sad when the life and murder of a border agent means little to some Congress people. Ranking Member Elijah Cummings (D-MD) promised the family of slain Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, “we will not rest until every single person …responsible for all of this, no matter where they are, are brought to justice.” I guess he no longer feels this way since he is more interested in protecting the A.G. It is sad… maybe if Brian Terry would have been black like Trayvon Martin, he would still care? Does everything have to be about politics? Is there no decency anymore?

  • jrterrier

    Romney Campaign Says Obama Fast And Furious Decision “Another Broken Promise

    “President Obama’s pledge to run the most open and transparent administration in history has turned out to be just another broken promise,” she said in a statement to BuzzFeed.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/romney-campaign-says-obama-fast-and-furious-decisi

    • HoosierinDixie

      I hope the Romney Super Pacs start running ads with him criticizing Bush for hiding behind executive orders. I would throw in Cummings and other Dems telling the family they will follow the story to the truth and then voting against the contempt charge. What a bunch of freaking liars and hypocrits.

      • BronwynsHarbor

        Did you mean to type “criticizing Obama for hiding behind executive orders” ?

        • HoosierinDixie

          Sorry I wasn’t clear. There is actual video of Obama talking about Bush. I think the Pacs should use Obama’s own words against him.

  • HELENK2

    kisson tweeted:

    CBS News has learned the family of ICE Agent Jamie Zapata has filed a claim against DOJ and federal agencies for wrongful death

  • Escoffier

    The crazy arguments coming out are talking points sent out from the WH and show they have no idea what the executive privilege standards are as established by the courts. They are trying to spin that communications between the WH and DOJ are privileged by attorney/client (HUH?) and that WH advisers rather than the President himself were involved with DOJ wrangling with the Congress in matters after F&F. They are panicking and Holder ran out of time stalling. The spin is all bullshit. This is all they could think of.
    The Congress needs to vote on contempt, take it to court, and let the WH spin in an attempt to bullshit a federal court. This can be accomplished faster than many may think if the Congress asks for a expedited hearing due to a Constitutional crisis. Let them lie to a court, let them claim that Valerie Jarrett or whomever has executive privilege. They will lose.

    • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

      This is why you have to know whether the people you see around the President are on the public payroll; or paid for by the President or his campaign. Private attorneys are afforded much more ‘privilege’ with their clients.

  • HELENK2

    listening to the democrats on this committee, i am sickened. Have they no concern over the deaths that this operation caused? Have they no concern over the law and no respect for themselves as congress people? Is it fine with them that backtack and holder are basically saying ” go to Hell, we do not have to give you any information”?

  • foxyladi14

    getting more like nixon every day.

    • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

      Let’s hope. (What I mean is, let’s hope if it comes to the court ordering the release of the documents to Congress; he complies.)

  • FLDemFem

    If my memory serves, and it usually does, the last president to invoke executive privilege to hide a cover-up was Richard Nixon. And we all know what happened to him, don’t we? The same should happen to Obama if he survives November. It won’t happen before then, even if they hold Holder in contempt of Congress, it will take months to put together the case for the House to try, or even enough evidence to draw up articles of impeachment. Remember, it was the Republican leaders going to Nixon and telling him that articles of impeachment were being drawn up that caused him to resign. By the way, a president, or any other public official, can be impeached after they leave office. If they are convicted, they lose all pension and staff moneys, no SS protection for the pres., and they cannot hold public office of any kind ever again. Not elected or appointed. If the taxpayers pay the salary, the impeached person may not hold that job. And to top it off, if the Justice Dept. decides to prosecute charges that he is convicted of in the Senate, the person can get prison time. If Obama had the sense God gave a goat, he would resign now. He is in an indefensible position.

    • jrterrier

      President Bush also asserted executive privilege over the firing of some US Attorneys. Congress wanted Rove and a counsel to Pres Bush (the woman from TX whom he tried to nominate to the Supremes). Clinton also asserted it. One of the cable news noted the times it’s been asserted.

      • FLDemFem

        I don’t think that any of them asserted it to cover up illegal activities. Nixon did and Obama probably has too. Therefore the connection.

        • Dissentispatriotic

          I would say that Bush attempted, probably at Cheney’s urging, to conceal what had happened with the USAttorneys. Why else would he have exerted it in that matter? Same for Clinton.

  • http://www.distressedgentlefolk.com/ Warren Jason Street

    Well, thank goodness Eric Holder is doing all that he can to keep from further embarrassing the Bush Administration, which started this whole thing in the first place.

    • TeakWoodKite

      Bush Is gone. Obama is OWA.

    • shelldoll2

      BTW Obama had the option not to continue the same program and worse. But of course his failure to do that is GWB’s fault, or Clinton’s fault, or Carter’s fault, or maybe Truman and FDR should share the blame.

      • http://www.distressedgentlefolk.com/ Warren Jason Street

        And if he had stopped the program, the vote would have been one to condemn him for not trying to do something. Or the vote would have been to condemn them for changing the program to do something else. Or the vote would have been to condemn him for being black. Or the vote would have been to condemn him for having a wife and two kids.

        Yeah, it’s all about what’s right, isn’t it? Except it’s not.

      • http://www.distressedgentlefolk.com/ Warren Jason Street

        And if he had stopped the program, the vote would have been one to condemn him for not trying to do something. Or the vote would have been to condemn them for changing the program to do something else. Or the vote would have been to condemn him for being black. Or the vote would have been to condemn him for having a wife and two kids.

        Yeah, it’s all about what’s right, isn’t it? Except it’s not.

  • HELENK2

    he just told the hispanic voter he was trying to win over, screw you I can send guns that kill your relatives in Mexico and you can not do a damn thing about it or get any answers

    • Retired_from_SPOnaj

      But if you’re between 16 and 30 you can flee north across the border to safety and we’ll give you a work permit. Unfortunately, there’s no work to be had, but there it is.

      • Dissentispatriotic

        He’s hoping the higher unemployment rate won’t be reflected in the numbers until after the election. That way, he gets the youth and Latino vote before the whole country sees even more clearly that there are fewer jobs because of him.

  • samb1

    Holder’s first job is to protect and serve Obama
    and justice be dammed.

  • HARP2

    No matter how they try and spin this, it will be perceived as trying to protect Obama`s ass rather than find out who is responsible for an agent`s death.

  • HARP2

    I’m watching the news reports
    same as you. Made a number of calls back to my people in D.C. Getting
    many different versions of things but they all share
    the same thing and that is a real sense of urgency and shock at a
    couple of things. One is the use of Executive Privilege by the Obama
    White House. That makes a direct tie to the administration now. The
    perception of that is now the reality of it. Obama owns Fast and
    Furious. He can’t walk that back. It’s his. He is telling Congress he
    won’t hand over docs. The line in the sand was placed there by the
    president himself. That alone has people really scrambling now to
    figure out how deep this thing could go. Will it hurt the re-election.
    Will there be blowback against the party. Basically all the things I
    told you were concerns before have now become concerns. And some of
    them I told myself months and well over a year ago to prepare. Some
    listened. Some didn’t. Poor bastards who didn’t.

    econd, something just now breaking out is Holder walked back a Blame
    Bush statement he gave to Congress just last week. Fast and Furious
    was nothing like anything the Bush boys did. Bush era program
    was much smaller and had the full cooperation of the Mexican
    authorities. Holder lied when he attempted to link the two and now he
    is already trying to correct that testimony from one week ago. This
    kind of sloppy mistake is a clear sign he’s in big trouble and really
    feeling the heat. It’s also a signal to party leaders and the White
    House he is falling apart on this.

    http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/06/20/white-house-insider-obama-owns-fast-and-furious-now/

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    Bronwyn wrote: “Bret Baier, on Fox News TV, is saying right now that once the Executive Branch does this, it means that the EXECUTIVE BRANCH IS DIRECTLY INVOLVED.”
    Meaning no offense, but in the interest of accuracy, what the evoklng of executive privilege means in theory is that the White House, not just the Executive Branch, is directly involved in the communications that have been subpoenaed by Congress. The Department of Justice is an element of the Executive Branch of government. As determined by rulings of the Supreme Court, Executive privilege does not extend to the Executive Branch, just to the President and his immediate staff. By claiming Executive privilege, the President is now insterting himself into Fast and Furious to a level that, up to this point in time, he has claimed not be involved.
    Of course, timing is everything. Both POTUS and the AG know that this means that the Fast and Furious issue will not be resolved before the election, that is, the subpoenaed documents will not see the light of day before November. They are betting that Republicans, in their political calculation, will not be have the political will to hold the AG in contempt of Congress for fear of a backlash by the electorate in November. And that’s what the game is all about.

    • BronwynsHarbor

      You have a fascinating take on it all.

      Does what you wrote also help explain the reports that Speaker John Boehner would like Issa’s investigation, particularly a contempt vote, to go away? (At least, that’s what I’ve heard via the MSM.)

      My quandary is this: I can’t see yet why holding Holder in contempt would create a “backlash by the electorate in November.”

      If this insults the average voter, so be it: I doubt that most voters have taken the time to know anything about Fast & Furious or Darrell Issa’s inquiry and a contempt citation. I also doubt that most Americans would have any clue why all of this matters — and they especially will have little insight into why Obama’s exertion of executive privilege is such a big deal.

      If anything, I would think that the voters who DO know about the Oversight committee inquiry and about Holder’s to-date successful efforts to keep his cover-up going — those voters would be furious with Obama, with Holder, and with Democrats in Congress for not acting in the nation’s best interests, and for not seeking resolution for why TWO Americans died in vain, all for a very bad program that never should have been allowed to continue.

      I just don’t see how the voters aware of the story would take Obama/Holder’s side, or how they’d be more inclined to vote for Obama.

      • Retired_from_SPOnaj

        Bronwyn wrote: “I just don’t see how the voters aware of the story would take Obama/Holder’s side, or how they’d be more inclined to vote for Obama.”
        “Aware of the story.” Therein lies the rub. Fox News has been the only one covering this story up until now, so those who get their news from the network nightly news are largely unaware of it. The networks pretty much now have to cover F&F because of the Executive privilege claim, and particularly if the House votes in contempt. If this is the first time that F&F comes up on the radar screen of a significant part of the electorate, and if the networks spin it as Republican pre-election politicking as opposed to an investigation that has been going on for over a year, that’s where the backlash theory that the Democrats are counting on comes in.
        So both sides are “in it” now.

        • jrterrier

          yup. and the house members are breaking on this right down the political aisle. DEMS see it as a witch hunt and disrespectful of the AG, even Carolyn Maloney, who won her seat to congress on an anti-gun platform because he son & husband were killed by a deranged gunman was protecting the AG.
          REPS see it as a cover up.

        • HoosierinDixie

          It will be interesting to see how the MSM spin the fact that they haven’t covered a story of this magnitude that has been going on for over a year. Do you think Brian Williams can cover that in another 30 seconds? The family is also becoming more vocal. Hard not to be sympathetic with their efforts to learn the truth. Holder’s stonewalling and backtracking of testimony and docs looks really bad. Issuing a last minute executive priviledge order from somone who is on record about being transparent and blaming Bush for hiding behind such orders looks even worse. Is this the constitutional crisis Holder was talking about? I agree it will not be resolved before the election but I think will hurt him big time.

      • jrterrier

        I would think that Boehner’s position probably precedes the assertion of executive privilege. what seemed to some (me for example) like Issa was beating a dead horse, now becomes a bigger political headache for the white house.
        by the way, the new theme from the DEMS appear to be that REPS don’t respect the administration, the President, the AG, etc.
        Now, the political problem for the administration is that they have to deal with the parents of a dead
        American law enforcement agent.

    • riellyrltr

      This is going to be the downfall of Obama if people respond as I suspect they will. This is a blatant attempt by Obama to hide his involvement in Fast and Furious. We know how well that worked for Nixon and this is not going to sit well with Americans, who respect our laws. It’s too bad Obama doesn’t.
      Holder is toast and I’m buying the popcorn!

      • jrterrier

        you are right. it’s going to stick because it’s the same old, same old. no matter how much Pres Obama claims that he is taking action because “it’s the right thing to do,” everyone can see that it’s politics 100% of the time — the contraception rule, the evolving stance on same-sex marriage, the work permit for young immigrants, the response to Fast & Furious, etc, etc, etc.