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Breaking News: Agent Brian Terry’s Murder

By Bronwyn on July 9, 2012 at 3:23 PM in Current Affairs

I hope that Larry weighs in. In the meantime, I just heard the breaking news that [correction: a sealed indictment has been revealed showing that] two Mexicans have been arrested for the murder of Agent Brian Terry, and that more suspects are being sought. The FBI also reports that U.S. agents first fired upon the Mexicans with bean bags, and that the Mexicans returned fire, shooting Terry.

I just have a couple FIRST impressions:

1) Arrest two Mexicans. Any two will do. After all, they’re just Mexicans, and we’ve got an election to win. As they way, “timing is everything.” [correction: Since the indictment is 17 months old, I must retract this.]

2) Make sure that Terry is implicated in his own murder. Add to it that he must have been stupid to fire bean bags.

William Randolph Hearst would be proud of the Obama White House.

P.S. It is sad that I am so cynical. What in the hell am I saying?

  • HELENK2

    before they smear Brian Terry they better check the border patrol training course since the backtrack bunch were put in charge

    http://www.examiner.com/article/napolitano-texas-border-agents-told-run-and-hide-from-armed-illegal-aliens

    • BronwynsHarbor

      Good lord, Helen. That article should be read in full. But here’s a snippet:

      “On the one hand, the Obama administration opposes local law enforcement officers being involved in immigration enforcement, and on the other hand the Border Patrol agents are taught to call the local cops when faced with violence being perpetrated by illegal aliens at U.S. borders,” said former NYPD police sergeant James McMahon, now a security consultant and private investigator.”Are the lunatics now running the asylum? It’s the most asinine instruction I’ve heard since [President Bill] Clinton issued an executive order to CIA agents prohibiting them from using ‘unsavory characters’ as informants back in the 1990′s,” McMahon told the Law Enforcement Examiner.“It is always comforting to know that for those of us who carry a weapon when we are off-duty, if we should encounter such a situation, stop a shooter and save countless lives, we can look forward to being disciplined or fired by the Border Patrol because we should have run away to hide and then maybe thrown objects at the deranged killer instead of taking action and stopping him with a firearm,” the Local 2544 web site states.

      • Retired_from_SPOnaj

        Actually, I think that the “unsavory characters” ban at CIA came after Larry briefed the White House. “Who is that guy?” Clinton asked. “He used to be with the CIA,” a flunky answered. And thus the ban.

        • Popsmoke

          I thought he got that label when he was at Camp Perry?

          • Retired_from_SPOnaj

            No, actually he got it in the DI office that analyzes Latin America. If you recall, it was the then Directorate of Operations’ Latin America Division that started the ruckus in the first place, incurring the ire of Bianca Jagger. Bianca “spoke” to President Clinton (well, her mouth was open, anyway) and thus came the ban against the DO recruiting unsavory characters as clandestine sources.
            I happened to be in the CIA auditorium when then-DCI John Deutsch reinforced the message on the ban to a mass gathering of the Senior Intelligence Service (SIS), the Agency equivalent of the Senior Executive Service. SISs comprise the top four percent of Agency employees. It was during that same assembly that the SISs en masse laughed derisively at Deutch’s assertion that he was initiating an investigation on who at the CIA was leaking information to the Washington Post. The information was always published in the Post on Thursday by a certain Post columnist after said columnist lunched with Deutsch on Wednesday.
            One of the SISs in “the Bubble” stood up and, after pointing out this amazing coincidence, asked Deutsch, “You do realize that you are the head of an intelligence agency, don’t you?”
            The SISs laughed en masse, and the then Executive Director, Nora Slatkin, who was sitting in the front row of the Bubble, had to stand up, turn around, and yell “Shut Up” to the Agency’s senior managers.
            Deutsch resigned (or was relieved) as DCI shortly thereafter.

            • BronwynsHarbor

              Hell of a story.

            • Popsmoke

              Yeah I forgot that story! LOL!

              It makes me laugh though when we go after small fry leakers and not after guys like Deutsch. Between his big mouth and his lap tops there was enough to hang him. Of course I am sure that Bianca pleaded to Bill for his pardon… Nice of Bill to pardon him as he walked out the WH door on his last day.

              • Retired_from_SPOnaj

                I spoke to the Deputy Director who was responsible for retrieving Deutsch’s Agency-issued, government-owned laptop. Someone had been viewing pornography on said laptop. Deutsch claimed that it was his kid, which begs the question: What was your kid doing on your government-issued laptop (it’s only to be used for official business)? Of course, no penalty for Deutsch–he’s too high up on the totem pole.
                They are currently polygraphing the shit out of the intelligence community, though, trying to “discover” who leaked the sensitive information to the NY Times. Even if you had no access to any of the information, you get polygraphed to make sure that you didn’t leak any information that you didn’t know in the first place. Not being polygraphed are people like Tom Donilon, who had access to all of the information that was leaked. Why? Because Tommy isn’t in the intelligence community, the White House’s favorite whipping boy since GW Bush. The investigation is limited to the intelligence community. The President finds it offensive that anyone in the White House (including the NSC) would be suspected, so no investigation there, can’t offend the President.

                • Popsmoke

                  Yeah add recently ret General Jack Keane to that list of top totem polers… That is the problem. Top grade SES/ GS/GM and flag officers seem to be except … While the witch hunt destroys the community….

            • Popsmoke

              Thought this was interesting….

              POLYGRAPHS AND LEAKS: A LOOK BACK AT NSDD 84

              http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/2012/07/polygraphs_nsdd84.html

  • BronwynsHarbor

    Caveat: I haven’t a clue if what i wrote represents the facts accurately. But …

    • Popsmoke

      There is more to this story than anyone is really reporting!

      • BronwynsHarbor

        Thanks, Popsmoke. It surely seems so.

        But I do think that, by unsealing that indictment, Obama thinks he’s stopped the story from hurting him.

        Obama is a master triangulator (is that a word?).

        • Popsmoke

          You are right on mark with triangulator..even if it is not a word….

    • HELENK2

      gee isn’t is funny how this story came out earlier in the day and then the Brian Terry story. nah one could not have anything to to with the other could it??????

      http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/09/formal-complaint-seeks-disbarment-of-eric-holder-in-dc/

      formal compalint seeks disbarment of eric holder in DC

  • Popsmoke

    “It has since emerged that Arizona-based A.T.F. agents were in a dispute with federal prosecutors in the state about how much evidence was necessary to charge suspects with straw purchasing, and that they had used similar tactics – and lost track of weapons – in three previous gun-smuggling investigations during the Bush administration.”

    Interesting…. Eh where was the House demanding records from Bush?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/10/us/5-indicted-in-death-of-agent-in-failed-gun-inquiry.html

    • Retired_from_SPOnaj

      That is certainly a conveniently-timed “emergence.” As you have said previously, there is a lot on this story that hasn’t been reported. And there is a lot that the current administration doesn’t want reported. But what they do want reported, the screw ups of the Bush administration, is somehow now “emerging” from the Department of Justice. Perhaps after Messrs Obama and Holder leave office, as they eventually will, their own screw ups will “emerge.”

      • Popsmoke

        Yes very convenient… But then again none of these plans should have ever been allowed to happen. Of course no one seems to care about the innocents who are killed by weapons we loose track of…..

        • Retired_from_SPOnaj

          Including their own country. Crickets from Mexico on Fast and Furious.

          • scottymac54

            There’s nothing new there. I cannot even imagine, how many regimes we’d have to go back, to find a Mexican political structure without contempt for so many of their own.
            My question is, what is the right path? Do we approach the quest for truth on “Fast and Furious” solely on Obama, since the most egregious offenses happened on his watch?
            Or, should we emphasis the culpability of ALL of our past administrations, including Bush, in order to reemphasize the bipartisanship of failed policies, and help to ensure it will not occur again, with the next swing of the partisan pendulum?
            It strikes me that this is SO important, from a truth-telling perspective. As a nation, we will be granted only one chance, to at least try to address the injustice and blood, that was shed in our name.

            • Retired_from_SPOnaj

              One thing that we need to do for sure is delay a look at the Obama administration until after the election. Then, if Obama wins, with no further accountability to the American people required, they can be more flexible in their cover up.

              • scottymac54

                Gotta love that “flexibility”, LOL!
                (Except dictators, puppets, and all combinations thereof have an additional option….they can turn around, say “Yeah? So, we DID it….now get over it!”, and we all go back to business as usual.)

    • jrterrier

      no Border Patrol agents had been killed. are you forgettting that the House was controlled by DEMs & Speaker Pelosi during the last two years of the Bush administration? you are not suggesting that then-Speaker Pelosi would not have subpoenaed Bush administration documents had she learned that the guns were used to kill an agent?

      • Popsmoke

        Agent? No how about just plain ole innocent civilians who are killed by the stupidity if ill conceived plans like F&F and Gunrunner….

        • scottymac54

          I have been kicking around the idea, that it may have been immoral on my part to place so much emphasis on Terry and Zapata, and too little on the Mexican victims, when I wrote about this.
          Who’s to say, that maybe the pictures and synopses of the unspeakable carnage, on that side of the border, might have done more to ingrain the seriousness of it all, on this side?
          The folks we are getting here recently, whole families, are so bereft and so clearly traumatized, I’m wondering if they might not more accurately described as refugees, in order to differentiate them from the ones that preceded them, who are still here from the wave that came in chiefly for economic opportunity to make money, and don’t have the same demeanor, that proud countenance….it’s sheer desperation.
          The parishes take endless collections on their behalf, but it’s not money that’s the problem….essential services have been stripped down to a point where there’s just nothing to even help them, and nowhere for them to go.
          More political pawns, more suffering.

          • Popsmoke

            The best thing we could do for Mexico is declare it a US Protectorate, send in the Marines to clean it up, reestablish the political, financial and business sectors, then let them hold real elections and give them back their independence.

            Only way to fix the problem….

        • BronwynsHarbor

          Popsmoke, we have to remember that they’re just Mexicans and that there are plenty more where those came from.

          • Popsmoke

            It just amazing how we just seem to disregard human dignity for the sake of politics.

          • Popsmoke

            It just amazing how we just seem to disregard human dignity for the sake of politics.

    • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

      Project Gunrunner, the precursor to Fast and Furious; began in 2006. http://www.atf.gov/firearms/programs/project-gunrunner/ From 2007-2009, D’s in the House outnumbered R’s 233/198. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0774721.html

      Know what this means? From now on, we can ignore as being capricious and arbitrary, anything Popsmoke says.

      • Popsmoke

        Funny! You must be a real estate lawyer… Because you surely have never been in front of a jury. If this garbage you posted is suppose to embarrass me or nail me. Then lets try this one in return to you counselor-at-law….

        First, Project Gunrunner and Fast and Furious are two program s that should have never happened. When any government loses track of lethal weapons its suppose to be tracking to interdict and loss of life occurs because of the programs failure, no matter if its a US Federal Officer or some poor innocent Mexican. Its a HUMAN LIFE that we are responsible for its demise. But then again I guess they never taught that in real estate 101.

        Secondly, you cannot compare the politics between the republicans and the democrats as being any way the same as it is currently. But neither does either the republicans nor democrats care if any poor Mexican was killed because we lost track of weapons we allowed into the cartels hands. That counselor is a crime unto itself. But they don;t teach that either in real estate 102…Do they?

        Matter of fact Ashcroft should have been held in contempt on a number of occasions but of course the democrats were being aloof. As far as Alberto Gonzales is concerned. He should have suffered the same faith as Holder.

        Lets not talk about another ill conceived plan like Operation Wide Receiver….

        But then again counselor …. You could legally careless… Right?

        • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

          But you failed to specifically address my particularized reply to your original question: “Interesting…. Eh where was the House demanding records from Bush?”
          (As in: ‘Your Honor, please instruct the witness to answer the question.’)

          And, FYI, saying one could “care less” means, one is not as indifferent to the issue, as one could be.
          (As in: ‘I could not care less whether you countered my reply to your original question.’)

          • Popsmoke

            Counselor I am not a witness and I did rebut your question… You just rather blow smoke… Nice try though.

            “Secondly, you cannot compare the politics between the republicans and
            the democrats as being any way the same as it is currently. But neither
            does either the republicans nor democrats care if any poor Mexican was
            killed because we lost track of weapons we allowed into the cartels
            hands. That counselor is a crime unto itself. But they don;t teach
            that either in real estate 102…Do they?”

            The level of questioning nor actions by the dems in the latter mentioned operations or latter mentioned years never rose to the level it has now by the house republicans. It should have on a number of occasions and on a number of issues not just these.

            Indifference to the issue? Where is your outrage over the deaths of innocent civilians no matter your politics because of these type of misguided operations? A police officer goes to work knowing the risks he/she has to take to come home alive everyday and by the Grace of God he/she comes home. But a civilian ? Someone really indifferent? Totally different story.

            Where is your sense of justice as a officer of the court? Or is it only because your politics gets in the way of your oath as as a officer of the court?

            • http://twitter.com/jbjdjbjd jbjd

              I am registered Unenrolled; I hold both parties equally liable for faulty policies resulting in senseless deaths. Perhaps this explains why, when confronted by a commenter with the egregious acts of one party; my knee-jerk reaction is not merely to respond by asking, ‘Well, what about the other party?’ It was precisely your knee-jerk (snide) response to criticism that the D’s mishandled Fast and Furious – ‘well, the House failed to go after Bush’ – which prompted me to inform you, had the D’s wanted to stop Bush, they could have, as they were the majority party.

              Trying now to recast the focus of the narrative does not alter these facts: in the beginning, you offered a gibe which made no sense (and thereby memorialized your political bias); and I caught you.

      • Hokma

        There were major differences between the Bush program named Wide Receiver and the Obama Fast and Furious program.

        Among the differences was the fact that there were RFID tracking devices installed in the Bush program guns so that they could be continually tracked while there were NO tracking devices installed in the Fast and Furious guns.

        As soon as it was discovered that the drug dealers discovered the RFID devices in the guns the program was terminated by Bush.

        The attempt by Obama to draw comparisons to the Bush era program (aka Blame Bush) are blatantly false.

        • Popsmoke

          Does not matter we still lost weapons and innocents were killed because of those lost weapons. The reason why they did not use RFID chips in the other programs… They were located and removed…

          • Hokma

            Stupid move? How elese do you track weapons? Yeh, do what Holder did and don’t bother.

          • scottymac54

            Not when the horror itself is used as a political tool.
            I don’t see any particular stampede on the right to line up behind Issa, which makes me extremely suspicious as to how competently (and to what desired end) this investigation is being conducted.

        • Popsmoke

          By the way, Wide Receiver.. How many indictments under Bush? Eh… Zero! While of the 450 weapons placed in the market the majority were lost once they crossed the boarder….. Just another stupid plan….

          • Flop_Flipper

            A stupid plan they had sense enough to shut down. Obama’s… not so much.

  • Popsmoke
  • samb1

    I would be glad if the caught the people
    who committed this crime.
    I believe this is begin done to try and divert
    attention away from Holder.
    So I like you are cynical.

  • HELENK2
    • Flop_Flipper

      It’s impossible for pigs like Obama to come clean. Their very existence requires that they have mud to roll around in. I fear we will have to wait until Jan 20, 2013 to find out what really happened and hold someone accountable.

  • no_longer_a_democrat

    “I just have a couple FIRST impressions:”

    I have the same impressions. No one at Justice was even implicated. This is all for show.
    This is not about getting to the truth, its all for show.
    The same party that had an uproar over Valerie Plame, and rightly so, couldn’t give a damn about a dead US border agent.
    Nothing but a show for the election.

  • Retired_from_SPOnaj

    Clearly, the Mexicans acted in self defense. If they would’ve had bean bag guns, they would’ve used them, but DoJ only walked actually lead spittin’ firearms to them in Fast and Furious, so that’s all that the Mexicans had to shoot back at Brian Terry. Case closed.

    • binky354

      Damn! The Cartel gets assualt weapons and Border Patrol gets bean bags. What’s wrong with this picture?

      • Flop_Flipper

        His first name is Eric and his last name is Holder.

      • Retired_from_SPOnaj

        Here’s the rationale: Mexicans like beans, so why kill them when you can just fire bean bags at them and they will stop and eat. To question this strategy is racist.

  • jrterrier

    why was the indictment just unsealed? usually, an indictment is not unsealed while all the persons charged but not yet arrested are still on the lam. they usually wait until all are in custody. probably unsealed for political reasons.

    • Flop_Flipper

      probably unsealed for political reasons.

      BINGO!

  • HELENK2

    http://www.jammiewf.com/2012/brian-terrys-family-files-25m-lawsuit-against-atf/

    when does the Terry family;s lawsuit against the ATF come to trial?????

    Also when does the Zapata family”s lawsuit come to trial????

  • TeakWoodKite

    Brian Terry was following the rules of engagement set forth by the Dept of Homeland Non Security. I mean WTF?! What the hell you think works best on a “beaner” but a bean bag??? (a joke ok!?)
    Seriously these border agents and thier unions had filed complaint after complaint about this very thing. Not being armed with the tools to defend oneself and the person shooting autos at you knows all you have are Bean Bags as a first response??? WTF???
    Holder knew who did this months ago. He and Obama pulled the trigger. They and anyone else that looked the other way are guilty of mass murder and nothing is going to change that fact.

    • Flop_Flipper

      Well, at least they changed the original rules of engagement: slingshots and tacos.

    • BronwynsHarbor

      works best on a “beaner” but a bean bag??? (a joke ok!?)

      Thank god you didn’t write that at Daily Kos or Huffy Poop.

      An all-out assault against political correctness.

      • TeakWoodKite

        Now that would be an Epic battle worth fighting.

    • Retired_from_SPOnaj

      I am assuming that since the bean bags are being used against Mexicans, they aren’t filled with kidney beans.

      • TeakWoodKite

        Phaseolus vulgaris….I think

  • FormerLiberal9

    First the DOJ allows the gun that kills Brian Terry. Then to add insult to injury the DOJ resorts to this obviously political tactic in releasing this sealed indictment. What a bunch of heartless corrupt dirtbags. American deserves so much more from their DOJ than this politically inspired Kabuki Theater where Holder and his band of Bad Actors are performing.

  • Flop_Flipper

    The revelation of this sealed indictment is Obama’s way of saying that they are on the F&F fuckup and have things well in hand. It’s their answer to all those pesky questions about Holder and whatever the hell he did or didn’t know and when.

    Again, the Obama Administration uses the “hell, we didn’t know” excuse as a shield. They admittedly really are a bunch of dumbfucks and we are apparently a bunch of stupid idiots for not impeaching this dude the minute after he took the oath of office.

    Bronwyn, you have a right to be cynical. Perhaps a duty. Nothing about this administration brings me pleasure other than the fact that it is coming to a much welcomed close. It’s a book I won’t pick up again unless I need a very scary story to tell my little relatives. Perhaps around a campfire. Roastin dogs.

    • scottymac54

      “It’s their answer to all those pesky questions about Holder and whatever the hell he did or didn’t know and when…”
      Do you really think that’s all there is to it, then, for them?
      Because, it appears, that they ARE going to get away with it all…
      And, if that turns out to be the case, with whom was Issa complicit, all along?

      • Flop_Flipper

        I believe that they think this is all there is to it for them.

        • scottymac54

          I agree.
          Yet another bar, lowered.

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