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By: Shirin

Shirin — Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:55:05 +0000

Leslie, I think we are somehow talking across each other. I think you missed at least part of MY point, which was not what Americans vs Iraqis are doing. You posed the question “what if the slaughter increases without the Americans there”. I took your question as an expression of concern, and tried to explain why it is extremely unlikely that will happen. I think the information in my response is worthwhile (and by the way, so do quite a few other people, including some anti-war activists who have asked to base a flyer on it).

So, if concern about the possibility that the slaughter might increase was not part of what was behind your question, then what WAS that question really about?

By: SusanUnPC

SusanUnPC — Fri, 20 Jul 2007 22:45:37 +0000

Leslie, I replied to you, but somehow it got appended to the thread above. I was curious if you were at the NYC rallies I saw on TV. Those were the days.

By: Shirin

Shirin — Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:45:18 +0000

CK,

Hear! Hear!

By: Leslie

Leslie — Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:41:17 +0000

Yes, I saw your reply, thanks Shirin. But you miss my point, which is about what the Iraqis are doing not Americans. For example: the ethnic cleansing. Turkey amassing troops along the Kurdish/Iraq border. The so-called Maliki government and many in the US-trained Iraqi forces [aka militias], the fight for control between factions, etc. That’s what I was referring to. That is likely to continue–it may lessen or it may increase. But it is likely to continue for some time. And who knows how many more people will die, be injured, scarred, or forced to flee their homes.

By: CK

CK — Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:37:42 +0000

Let us all do the nuance dance; read the tealeaves of Hillary’s or Obama’s or Rudy’s or McCain’s stance on how many american soldiers should be stationed in the middle east long after the 2009 inaugeration is over and done. Or you could elect someone who will bring the troops home and keep the troops out of other people’s business. If you are a party loyalist democrap variety you have two choices: Kucinich or Gravel, if you are a party loyalist rethug variety or anyone else you have one choice: Paul.
It was a pleasure watching Ron Paul demolish Ben “helicopter” Beranke the other day. There are days when I dream of not having my income be reduced every year by the 6% ( and rising ) inflation tax that is fiat money and not having 30% of it dissapear before I even see it let alone determine what I might want to do with it. Dream of not reading demands that I support killing someone somewhere who I have never met and have no issues with whether they be in Palestine or Iraq or Darfur or East Timor. I dream sometimes of days when thugs are not passed off as newspaper columnists and “deep” thinkers. I wonder how these people who are so scared of their own shadows came to represent the received character of the USA. So many cowards and craven lickspittles with microphones and airtime and column inches. There are even days when I dream on not seeing another set of dead names with military ranks. Unfortunately the oil that the USA must steal cannot be loaded all at once into the getaway tanker and steamed home, it will take decades for the theft to be finalized, and that means decades of names of dead soldiers.

By: konopelli/wgg

konopelli/wgg — Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:25:08 +0000

Joe Wilson’s a brave man.
That said, he’s a 100% DC insider. If he’s a Democrat at all (he was, after all, GHWB’s guy), he’s DLC all the way. That means, as somebody noted above, “bidness as usual.”

By: Shirin

Shirin — Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:15:13 +0000

I agree with you, OBF.

By: SusanUnPC

SusanUnPC — Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:06:26 +0000

I’ve been begging my Canadian friends to invade. But they’re all too nice.

By: SusanUnPC

SusanUnPC — Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:04:47 +0000

What a time we had. It interests me that some say people make their political decisions based on emotion because I don’t think, initially, that was it at all for most of us who became interested because Dean was so clear in his opposition to the Iraq war, at a time when most were hedging their bets, and then because he had a lot of executive experience as governor and more. His experience as a physician and with state health programs also appealed to us. Later, we became emotional in our enthusiasm and willingness to work our tails off for him.

It was incredibly exciting. I’ll never forget standing at the back of the stage in Seattle during his “sleepless” tour and seeing a sea of people — so huge that the police had to open up side streets to accommodate the crowd.

Were you at the NYC rallies, Leslie? I watched it on TV.

I’ll always wonder how Dean or Kerry would have fared as president. Every setback in Iraq post-2004 would have been blamed on any Democratic president. The GOP U.S. Senators who are covering for Bush would have screamed at everything Kerry or Dean did. (They’d probably be planning an impeachment around now — smirk.) It would have been hell. That’s one reason I’m for Hillary Clinton because she’s tough, battle-hardened enough to handle the endless attacks on any Democratic president. And she’d be ready to go from the start — no need for time to learn on-the-job. Given the crises we face, that’s crucial.

By: osama_been_forgotten

osama_been_forgotten — Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:37:06 +0000

I’m sorry Joe, but Hillary cravenly put our troops in harm’s way. She claims that she was lied to by George W Bush? I don’t believe it. That’s the most retarded “dog ate my homework” excuse ever.

I gotta say no to “business-as-usual” Hillary.

By: taters

taters — Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:08:49 +0000

That said, I’m not sending anyone any money simply because none of them resonate with me at this point. I’m certainly a Dem and I will back whoever wins the primaries. And I see no one of interest on the GOP ticket.
And some of you may know I’m a Wes Clark supporter and until he rules himself out – which he hasn’t – I’m keeping my powder dry.

By: taters

taters — Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:27:52 +0000

Interesting Fox poll posted by Greg Sargent at TPM election Central.
It shows Hillary beating out Giuliani on who would do better in Iraq. In general, it states that Clinton & Obama fare better than any GOP candidates all the way around.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/071907poll1.pdf

http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/

By: Rob

Rob — Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:14:32 +0000

I wonder if the British would consider taking Washington back again?

Ambrose Bierce said it all;

Revolution, n. In politics, an abrupt change in the form of misgovernment.

By: Shirin

Shirin — Fri, 20 Jul 2007 06:37:31 +0000

Leslie,

OT, but I don’t want you to miss my reply to your comment (which I unfortunately missed until today) wondering about a possible increase in violence if the U.S. left. It is below your comment on this page http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/07/17/republicans-show-us-your-hand/#comments