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IRAQ:  Surge and Awakening in retrospect

(Ray Close is a retired CIA officer and, as Larry Johnson describes him, “a distinguished intelligence expert.”)

Friends:

The latest issue of London’s ECONOMIST carries an article about the current situation in Iraq which begins with the following pithy paragraph:

WHEN General David Petraeus, now America’s most celebrated military commander, arrived in Iraq in 2003 at the head of an airborne division, he asked a journalist: “Tell me how this ends?” For years nobody had a good answer. But now, thanks to a military pact between America and Iraq, a conclusion is in sight: America’s war in Iraq will end in three years’ time, with American troops being shown the door and Iraqi politicians competing to claim credit for getting rid of the foreigners. [Emphasis added.]

I’m afraid this makes it impossible for me to resist throwing at you all, once again, for the umpteenth time, the prediction that I have been repeating at regular intervals over the past six years of studying and commenting about the Iraq war. 

Even months before the invasion began in March 2003, it was obvious to me that this was a war that the United States could not possibly “win” in any lasting or meaningful sense.  Quite the opposite, in fact. 

As I said in a speech to an organization called The Old Guard of Princeton in October of 2002, it would be a stupid and disastrous mistake to believe that “kicking down the doors of a proudly nationalistic Arab society at the heart of the Muslim world would gain anything for us in the end but the violent resentment of the Iraqi people and the contempt of the entire Islamic world.” 

(Let me remark very emphatically that I was far from alone in holding this view.  I was only one of hundreds, probably thousands, of “old Middle East hands” all over the world who held that very strong conviction.  The multitude of our numbers and the depth of our personal experiences in the Arab World for some unaccountable reason failed, however, to give our views any perceptible weight in the councils of policy makers either in America or in Europe.)

Since then, in numerous articles and speeches, and in deliberations of the Iraq Study Group advisory committee, of which I was a member, I have repeated over and over again the following admonition — to the aggravation, I’m sure, of many of my colleagues and correspondents:

“The leader and his party who will gain control over Iraq when US forces leave the country will have derived legitimacy and popularity from the degree to which he has stood in opposition to the American occupation, not cooperated with it.”

This is a point that needed to be understood from the very beginning if the United States was ever to design and implement a plan for managing the invasion and occupation of Iraq at minimum cost in lives and treasure, in a timely and efficient manner, and with a result that was least damaging to our national interests in the Middle East and worldwide.  No conception of the sort ever influenced either our strategic planners or our commanders in the field, however.  Suggesting otherwise brought nothing but scornful accusations of defeatism.  Killing our adversaries and establishing a pro-American democracy were always the dominant objectives, a blueprint for the disorderly and humiliating failure that the entire undertaking will surely become before we finally beat a retreat. (Staying even until the end of 2011 seems increasingly improbable to me, frankly — even considering the horrendous logistical obstacles that a faster withdrawal schedule would entail.  For all intents and purposes, (particularly in its psychological impact), the retreat effectively begins on the day after the Iraqi parliament signs the security pact calling for US withdrawal on a fixed timetable. I ask you all:  In today’s world, how long will the American public continue to fork out billions and billions of dollars in a cause that no longer contains even a faded promise of positive accomplishment — to say nothing of “Victory”.

Present conditions, and those future prospects, are finally putting the famous “surge” into its proper perspective:  It was a timely and highly focused military operation of limited scope and duration that contributed significantly to the reduction of violence and radically reduced American and Iraqi casualties at a critical phase.  More significantly, however, although it was intended to provide a “breathing space” for political reconciliation to take place between opposing Iraqi factions, the surge in reality only provided additional much-needed time and cover for the Maliki government to deploy larger and better-trained security forces, and to consolidate the prime minister’s control over many important levers of national power. (Whether Maliki is recklessly overestimating his own strength, and by his self-aggrandizement condemning Iraq to eventual civil war, as some analysts predict, is a separate and very complex issue that I won’t try to address here.)

Similarly, the so-called Sunni Awakening, a separate and unrelated politico-military initiative, was also highly focused and of limited scope and duration.  It also yielded some very important gains for the US occupation forces, principally through coopting and thus neutralizing most of those dissident Sunni tribal and former Baathist elements that had formed the nucleus of the original anti-US insurgency. The Awakening had the related favorable effect of isolating the most hostile and dangerous fringe of the Sunni opposition and separating it from a revived traditional Iraqi nationalist movement. In addition, the movement apparently inflicted considerable, hopefully permanent, damage to the hard core of the alien “Al-Qa’ida in Iraq” (AQI) organization. Those have been valuable accomplishments by any measure. In the process, however, the Sunni Awakening inevitably evolved into a vigorous and potent instrument of independent Sunni community power, and as such now poses a well-armed and highly energized challenge to the Shiiite-dominated central government — the Maliki regime that the U.S. Government has publicly endorsed and supported. The Maliki clique, whether we like it or not, is deeply hostile to this reawakened Sunni threat — and vice versa. The challenge posed by the Sunni Awakening has also stimulated the xenophobic Shiite radicalism of Muqtada as-Sadr’s opposition party, and made a violent Shiite-Shiite showdown as well as a Shiite-Sunni confrontation even more probable in the future.  (Much more could be written in this vein if Iranian interests and ambitions, and the competitive interests of regional Sunni Arab states, Israel and Turkey, are examined, as indeed they should be.  One quickly recognizes that the Iraq “problem” consists of endless layers of complexity — infinitely beyond the capacity of any self-serving American politician to understand, much less manage wisely and competently.  Hence the continuing assinine claims from President Bush and John McCane of “victory just around the corner!”)

Therefore, the Awakening has very clearly NOT been a completely constructive and successful factor in support of our overriding objective of leaving behind us a unified and stable pro-American democracy in Iraq.

In summary, both the “Surge” and the “Awakening” can be accurately evaluated as “successes” in the temporary and tactical dimension, but neither can be honestly represented as a significant long-term gain for the United States on the strategic level.  In fact, as the continuing acrimonious negotiations over a bilateral security agreement have glaringly revealed, the twin “successes” of Surge and Awakening are looking less and less significant and certainly much less decisive as we gain broader perspectives on both of those much-celebrated initiatives.

Ray Close
Princeton, New Jersey
21 November 2008

  • ParkSlope Voter

    Mr. Close,

    I imagine that you now feel rather silly with your long standing predictions. Surely you know that we’ve just elected a president who has promised to withdraw all American fighting forces within 60 days of his installation, err, inauguration.

    oh, wait…

    -MS

  • workingclass artist

    Hmmm…interesting article. What are we going to do with that shiny new ” World’s Largest Embassy “. It seems to me that although we will move troops out…We will still have a large presence inside that embassy compound…Whether the Iraqi’s like it or not…Of course I’m just an observer…But it looks like a fortress.

  • benny

    Mr. Close, you provide an interesting perspective. The decision to go to war in Iraq was reckless, stupid, and illegal. And after years of wrong decisions in Iraq, I believe that the U.S has finally got it right. When the U.S leaves Iraq, there WILL be a significant long-term gain.

    The article in the Economist states that ‘with American troops being shown the door and Iraqi politicians competing to claim credit for getting rid of the foreigners’. But there is no proof to back these claims other than as an opinion.

    • Strawberrybitch

      Just put yourselves in any average Iraqi’s place…or better yet imagine the Iraqi military over here in the US trying to force their way of governing and religon on us by breaking into your homes, rounding you up for questioning or manhandling your women, not to mention shock and awe or Abu Graib…how would YOU feel? Even if they had gotten rid of Bush, you’d still want them out right? My husband spent three and a half years there and saw no real solutions. The “surge” just bought time for their politicians and ours. MSN reported 20 more human beings being blown to bits in Iraq again today.

      • benny

        I disagree with your premise. You should remember that the rule under Saddam Hussein was far worse than it is now. Once the country is stabilised, and our troops withdraw, it will be a thriving democracy like some other countries where muslims are in the majority.

        I do agree that going into Iraq was absolutely wrong. But that is now the past. Building a stable Iraq, and turning over total governance to them is the correct thing to do. And we are on our way to that. It is my opinion that a democratic Iraq is way better than one under the saddam regime.

        • Strawberrybitch

          Okay let’s put this in terms you may understand. Would you prefer living under either a Bush regime or an Obama regime (depending on what political side of the spectrum you’re from) or the country being terrorized by roving gangs of thugs, shooting, torturing, and blowing the shit out of innocent human beings? My guess is, you’d pick the lesser of the two evils. Bush/Obama. You are so naive to think that people from any country in the mddle east even wants Western style democracy. Name me ONE true democracy in the Middle east now and Isreal doesn’t count. Besides, who the hell do you think helped Saddam to power in the first place? He was a good little pet until he bit the hand that fed him. Ironically, it was Osama Bin Laden that wanted to go after Saddam during the first gulf war but Saudi Arabia said no, took our help instead, pissed off OBL, put bases in Saudi Arabia for our military to launch from which may have helped bring about 911. Dream on about bringing “DEMOCRACY” to the middle east. That’s considered part of the Great Satan’s plan to take over muslem counties. Kind of like you believe the Muslems want to take over America and make us all obey Sharia Law. We are at a cultural impass here. Thank God Hillary will be SOS.

          • benny

            ‘Okay let’s put this in terms you may understand’. ‘You are so naive…’. ‘Dream on about bringing…’. This smacks of condescension, which was not the way I responded to your post.

            ‘Name me ONE true democracy in the Middle east now and Isreal doesn’t count’. Thats an oxymoron. Israel is in the Middle-East, and is a democratic nation.

            And I never focussed on Iraq as compared to the middle-east. ‘thriving democracy like some other countries where muslims are in the majority’ is what I posted.

            So lets agree to disagree. An arguement is counter-productive.

            • socalannie

              I’m not pro-Iraq war, by any means; but, isn’t Turkey democratic?

          • Idiocracy08

            I completely agree SBB!

            This is a sad statement:

            it will be a thriving democracy like some other countries where muslims are in the majority.

            Like StrawberryB said, name ONE!

            Saddam really didn’t bite the hand that fed him. He just got mad at Poppy for slanted drilling into Kuwait by Zapata Oil (owned by Bush).

            Have you watched Frontline called “Long Road to War”? Interesting.
            http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/longroad/

            And I know Saddam was horrible, and I’m glad he’s gone. But, sad to say, there are people in Iraq who thought they were better off under him. Isn’t that sick?

          • http://www.deathofthedemocraticparty.com xax

            The funny thing about Iraq that I think people seem to miss is going back and looking at what was actually happening at the time. I do not agree with the decision, and I think we can all agree that tactically Bush had no idea what he was doing, but hindsight is 20/20.

            America was attacked- badly. We did not like it. Bush did what A LOT of people wanted him to do- get revenge. It was a highly emotionally charged event. He did the right thing with Afghanistan. When it came to Iraq, it was all about Saddam. And let’s face it Saddam was evil. He was evil towards his countryman and other nations. He invaded Kuwait; he did violate UN laws and committed mass genocide. I still remember sitting with my parents in the basement watching the news and being very, very afraid of that man. We had to deal with him not once, but twice, under G. H. W. Bush and Clinton. So given his supreme dislike of the US and his past indiscretions I cannot blame neither Bush nor anyone in that Congress for how they voted. They were just going on what they knew from the past and the grim reality at the time. And that reality was that we were fighting against extremists with no official allegiance who absolutely hated us (which continues until this day), and therefore could attain help through many other sovereign nations who dislike the US. Strategically it made sense to dispose of Saddam and reinstitute a more friendly government. Morally- no. Emotionally, I still can’t square that one, but logically, like I said, it made sense. And Bush was the guy who, running on the emotions of an entire nation, decided that he would actively protect American interests abroad and never let another 9/11 happen on our soil again. I don’t like the guy, but he did do that job.

            In the end every country will do what it has to, to protect itself. And I would love to sit down and have tea with our enemies- if they actually meant to sit down with us. I would love to respect their sovereignty- if they respected ours. But our enemies are people who fly no flag and whose only loyalty is to their ideology. Our enemies hate America, and will continue even if you give them all the gold in the world. It is the ultimate responsibility of the President to protect our nation from foreign and domestic terrors. Clinton did what he had to. Both Bushes did what they had to and Obama will do what he has to. And all I can guarantee is that many people will always remain opposed and others will be in favor of whatever decision is made.

        • http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com OBAMA IS A FRAUD

          Benny, you are right. I have a girlfriend over there who said that Saddam’s crazy son would break into houses and rape and sodomize the women there. She has a whole new, different free life. Before anyone starts bashing me for saying something positive, the news never shows the people who are truly grateful that we rid them of that oppressive asshole. I’m not saying we SHOULD have done it. I’m saying that we CAN’T leave them high and dry and unstable, now that it’s done. To do that would put them, us and the world in jeopardy. You want to see oil go through the roof? Let Iran go in there. You will be riding bikes to work. It is pure ignorance to think that we SHOULD get out of there tomorrow. THEY don’t want that either. And Fraudbama is going to have to answer to all of the people who thought they would all come home on January 21st. Not going to happen. But, yes, we will leave them better off. Does anyone here want to live under someone like Saddam? Oops, we’re about to LOL.

          • Idiocracy08

            I agree that the majority of the people are better off. However, I meant like certain groups are not better off. I did see a piece where they were talking to gay men in Iraq. They said they are getting kidnapped, beaten and killed there now. Before, they were just ridiculed.

            I’ve been totally against the war, but do agree that we just can’t leave. I don’t think we should have left them high and dry after the first Gulf War (even though I disagreed with that war too). Not only for the reasons you stated OIAF, but also because shock & awe did a LOT of damage that I feel we should rebuild (like schools, etc..) Not everyone in Iraq is bad and should be punished, especially the kids!!

            • Galt

              I’ve been totally against the war, but do agree that we just can’t leave.

              That’s kinda like me. I think it was a boneheaded mistake to go in there but we do have to make the best of it. Its worthy to keep reminding people of why we are in there to begin with. Just maybe it will prevent a future leader from making a boneheaded mistake of their own? Bush has in vain tried to rewrite history by the relative success of the surge. But just as we won’t forget how Opampers was “elected” we won’t let Bush whitewash his deeds into oblivion either.

  • wodiej

    My personal belief is to help those who want it. The Middle East and their beliefs are firmly entrenched We had a right to defend ourselves after 9/11. But what have we done since then to improve relations with foreign nations? With Bush in office, not much. I am not a foreign relations expert so I don’t know what exactly prompted this attack nor those in the past. Is it what we stand for or because we are trying to push that ideal on them? We are in there now and we should repair the damage to their infrastructure and get the hell out. And in the future, we should tread lightly and keep our distance whenever possible.

    To start with we should bring all of our military home to guard our own borders. Then we should rapidly advance energy independence. The middle east has Christian beliefs that are skewed at best. I don’t believe we are going to change that. They believe in many things that are far from what Christianity is. They advocate violence, revenge, torture, greed and many other things. These are not christian things, they are plain and simple evil.

    Throughout history, Americans have fought and died for freedom, democracy, justice. We did this by banding together against tyranny and evil leaders and ideas. Most of us have a Christian belief that embodies what is good and right.

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  • Galt’s Pizza Parlor, Fusion Power Division

    (Let me remark very emphatically that I was far from alone in holding this view. I was only one of hundreds, probably thousands, of “old Middle East hands” all over the world who held that very strong conviction. The multitude of our numbers and the depth of our personal experiences in the Arab World for some unaccountable reason failed, however, to give our views any perceptible weight in the councils of policy makers either in America or in Europe.)

    I’m seeing a connection between many mistakes we anguish over: The unholy marriage between the corporate MSM, greedy ego based easily manipulable politicians and military/industrial/energy complex.

    There was a tremendous push for the second Iraq war by said evil misguided trifecta and screaming at the top of our lungs with passion, logic and experience had no chance to stop this juggernaut. The fix was in, just as the fix was in, in how our next president was selected and not elected by people who think they “know better” than the electorate. To be clear, I am referring more to the primary, in the manner in which the nominee was selected, and far from elected. Now we’ve seen what amounts to a smoke filled backroom deal “election.”

    Mr. Close, I as a layperson anguished along side you and was against the war. As with this election, we never had a chance against the aforementioned trifecta. It was bad enough to live through the starting of what I considered a staged war for profit, but this staging of an election is almost too hard to bear on top of that. The war abused our most precious national treasure: our brave women and men of the military. It pains me when they fall needlessly at the hands of foolish “leaders.” Now, another national treasure, one that our military fight to protect, our votes have been abused and made meaningless by a sham election of an illegitimate president.

    Bush had a huge amount of capital at the time prior to the war to spend but he chose to spend most unwisely. The capital was the post 9/11 bipartisanship and fear of terrorism and a rogue state possessing WMDs was great cover for his ploy. Now, the Democratic party spent its capital of a huge advantage (the war, economy, etc.) against any Republicans to finish their takeover of the executive and legislative. The misuse of this type of capital is a sure prescription for disaster. Public servants are to serve the public, not line their own pockets and feed their pitiful egos.

    There are other examples of this big picture connection I am trying to illustrate. Last night I made the connection when energy came up. I’ll pieced together my parts of the discussion with emphasis added:

    That’s [alcohol fuel as being used in Brazil] part of a step in the right direction. Ultimately we should move away from fossil and bio fuels (alcohol is a bio fuel) altogether. Hydrogen fuel cells or batteries charged at charging stations need to be the goal. These cars have zero CO2 emissions. The trick is producing the hydrogen or electricity [that the cars in turn use] cleanly. This might sound like tinfoil hat stuff but the oil companies are sitting on all kinds of patents and technology that could get us to truly clean energy. It is my feeling we will see a release of these technologies “miraculously” as it no longer becomes viable to use or produce fossil or bio fuels.

    I’ve already seen how the energy conglomerates can convert to a new technology and one they can charge us for. Power via nuclear fusion is theoretically possible, but one of the biggest problems is the need for Helium-3, an isotope that is extremely rare on Earth, but in sufficient quantities on the Moon. I think we might see why there is a push to return to the moon. It is feasible to mine the Helium-3 and bring it back to Earth and generate electricity. This sounds like more tinfoil hat stuff but it isn’t. google: fusion power helium-3

    Think about it, they can charge us for the mining of the Helium-3 just like they charge us now to mine the fossil fuels. And there’s other exotic technologies probably under wraps as well.

    I think I saw a report there is a Japanese company working on the water car. Not sure about that, but for certain, there is tech coming that’s been shelved until “they” want us to have it.

    Did you ever hear about the LA subway, that was purchased by an oil, tire and car compan[ies], so people would be forced to by gas/oil, tires and cars? Dang that is pathetic. Some conspiracies are real, no tinfoil hats required. :shock:

    I think the same reason these companies get away with this shit is the same reason Opampers could be shoved down our throats: the media, pols and corporations do as they please for the most part. Makes me sick. And ironically the far left who are always whining about things like this went along, like lemmings over the cliff. Bunch of bloody hypocrites suffering from rectal cranial inversion. And I am very left leaning at times, but I am no lemming with my head up my ass.

    • Idiocracy08

      Yeah, what Galt said!

      • Galt’s Pizza Parlor, Righteous Indignation Division

        You taking “debating” lessons from Plasticine-(s)elect Chockablock Opampers? :shock:

        I am referring to how Opampers would let Hillary do all the work in the debates on certain topics and basically “yeah what Hillary said” as his retort. :mrgreen:

        Oh and thanks. :)

    • Steve_in_KC

      Galt, I am always impressed with your serious posts, and this one’s a pip. Those who have been paying attention over the years know about President Eisenhower’s warning for us to beware of the influence, “sought or unsought,” of the military/industrial complex. You are correct to update that to include energy.

      But what is most intimidating, and frankly astounding, is that the mainstream media is more or less now under the control of a small handful of corporations, so it is also correct to include media in that complex: miliatary/industrial/energy/media… and behind them all, intercontinental banking interests.

      It doesn’t take a tinfoil hat to perceive how these worldwide conglomerates have taken advantage of deregulation and modern instant communications to form a veritable one-world industry unto themselves.

      I don’t believe anyone here is implying that there is one boardroom with five chairs, one for each of these industries, and that they want to homogenize the cultures of the world. I’m certainly not implying that. But it is easy to see how they are a club of sorts, and they will band together to determine the major issues of our economy.

      War is good for business, as they say. And if they start rolling out peace dividends like pollution-free vehicles, reuseable energy, and green technologies, then all the fossil fuels will become worthless, and that would cause economic collapse for large sectors of the world’s businesses. As desirable as that sounds to consumers, these industrial giants have no intention of cutting their own throats.

      We the people will have very little say in these matters, unfortunately. The Democratic Party should be at the forefront of pushing these advances in clean energy, but they are so entrenched in coal and oil, it won’t happen in our lifetimes. At best, maybe a fourth of it may occur in the next generation or two. That’s my guess.

      But then, there are many who think the world will end in 2012, and that’s fine by me, as long as we all go together! :)

      • Galt’s Pizza Parlor, Righteous Indignation Division

        Hey thanks for the kudos and expanding upon my thoughts. You clearly get it at the soul level, like I do. As much as we and others get it, there is sadly no meaningful focus on it. Until that happens we will keep paddling upstream, walk endlessly on a treadmill or go round and round like rats on one of those cage wheel thingies. Take your pick.

        Ironically, and the universe will get the last laugh, speaking of rats, those who cage us will ultimately suffer the same fate as the rest of us. Alas, the shortsightedness and avarice of unbridled power. And alas, the lack of focus on dealing with the underlying causes of our ills by the masses. The leaders and the led are all to blame. Excuse the rather scathing indictment of humanity, but I call it as I see it.

        We’re trapped like rats! [smack!] Speak for yourself! –The Three Stooges

  • C.S.

    As I said in a speech…in October of 2002, it would be a stupid and disastrous mistake to believe that “kicking down the doors of a proudly nationalistic Arab society at the heart of the Muslim world would gain anything for us in the end but the violent resentment of the Iraqi people and the contempt of the entire Islamic world.”

    Now here’s where that old proverb “If you don’t learn from history you are doomed to repeat it.” could have saved a lot of lives. Few conquerors persuade their enemies; most are just overwhelmed by the conquerors’ military might and first chance they get they will try to overthrow them. And as we have seen, they will take any help they can get to do it.

    There are plenty of modern examples we could have used to predict that invading Iraq would change little overall in the middle east except to firm up that “ugly American” image they love to hate. Our goal was supposedly to free the Iraqi citizens but no one mentions that the consequences ended up taking away women’s freedom and putting them back under Sharia law.

    And why is the middle east celebrating Barack Hussein Obama’s political entry into the heart of the USA? It’s more than his name; they believe he is one of them rather than one of us and the consequences of that belief we haven’t begun to see yet.

    Every step our leaders take have unforeseen consequences.

    • Strawberrybitch

      Read Winston Churchill’s letter on Iraq. This has all been done before and the simularites are mindboogling. Mr. Close could you update your wonderful article with a few lines from that letter?

      • interested party

        Do you have a link to this letter.

        The British where in Iraq (Mesopotamia) for 10 years. That occupation didn’t stop Saddam Hussein from eventually taking over. The Sunni’s are patient. Knowing that they can’t defeat our army they will wait are departure, no matter what time line. Iraq is a cesspool of corruption funded generously (and stupidly) through our donations (that’s [u]our[/u] money people). When we’re gone, we’re gone. There is no going back in a remake grudge match against some crack-pot dictator.

  • fighting back

    I have read SEVERAL posts on various sites and I can feel the frustration and the hopelessness many feel about the probability of Obama being vetted or exposed. I can understand the frustration but if it’s one thing that we should have learned from Obama is to NEVER give up hope!

    ACORN was being investigated for fraud in all of the battleground states and it is just so happens that Obama won the bulk of the battleground states. Do you really think it was a coincidence. The primary and general election has FRAUD written all over it but no one touched this story after he was projected the winner.

    Also, WE SHOULD NOT overlook the fact that Obama has not or can not produce a valid copy of his live birth certificate to prove that he is a Natural born US Citizen now in all fairness McCain isn’t a natural born US citizen either. The Constitition is the foundation of what this country was built on and the fact that the media and several judges want to over look this very potent issue issue is a slap in the face to the constitution and the American People!

    Are we going to sit back and allow this travesty take place or are we going to FIGHT! Right now there is only one way (I can think of) to get national and international attention about the fact that Obama has yet to produce legitimate documentation to show that he is a Natural Born Citizen which is a strong indication that he isn’t————-Obama ran a good grassroot campaign, let’s take pointers from him. WE THE PEOPLE need to run an even better UNDERGROUND operation. You want the MSM media to cover this story with a vengence—–FORCE THEM TO COVER IT. The question is HOW can we force them to cover it———SIMPLE we must ban together and hold peaceful protest marches———-similar to what was done during the 1060′s Civil Rights Movement.

    I guarantee you if hundreds of thousands or even millions of Americans marched on the steps in a peaceful protest to the Supreme Court —–or if peaceful demonstrations and marches were held THROUGHOUT the country, this would be all over the MSM like wildfire and they will be FORCED to cover all of the corruption that they have been apart of covering up! Obama’s people can bully one or two people but they CAN NOT overcome the power of millions of Americans coming together PEACEFULLY asking for the courts, lawmakers and Media to do their jobs!

    America–is it time to stop whining and fight back! It is time to reclaim our Country!!

    • Defcon 1

      You posted this on two threads and it is off topic. Please look for an the nearest thread marked “Open.” I’m sure the blog admin will be grateful for your cooperation.

      • fighting back

        We are experiencing possibly the largest case of corruption in American Political History, millions are feeling frustrated and hopeless yet your concern is that my post is off topic?!

        I can’t count how many times I’ve seen post that were “off topic” yet I don’t recall seeing you posting anything to those folks!!

        How about we just make it a point to avoid each other’s post from this point on!

        • Idiocracy08

          I’m getting in the middle of your squabble, but they (admin) have been asking us to put these posts in open topic threads. They want us to post on topic with the thread and show a little respect to the writer.

          Yes, it’s happened in the past a LOT (and I’m one to blame too), but they have been asking us recently to put these in the open threads. I do think someone even asked us to ask posters to put them in the open threads if we see it happening.

          • fighting back

            With all due respect, I would rather use my energy and time to try to do something about the big problem this country is facing than to squabble about this non issue!!

            My goal is to contribute to tackling the huge problem with our democracy and judicial system NOT get into debates over non issues such as this one!!!!!!!!

  • http://ontheseventhday.wordpress.com/ Al

    20/20 hindsight=basically “damn if we do and damn if we don’t”…The ungrateful Iraqi’s say hurry up and leave, yet welcomed us in to rid themselves of Saddam. Should we stay we wear out our welcome, should we leave we may risk an Iraqi civil war within…no easy solutions here.

    Al

    http://ontheseventhday.wordpress.com/

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  • I’m a Linda too

    Thank you for your post. It will be interesting to see where O-shit! goes from here. Will he start withdraw immediately, to complete the end of occupation within 16 months (the revised, revised time table). Or will it happen much later, if at all.

  • Eddie

    I would like to see Susan or Larry go through the agreement in a post because it does not promise troops out in 2011. As C.I., Chris Floyd and many others have noted, that is not what is being signed on to. It is a treaty for 2009 and after that it can be modified or cancelled.

  • AdrianS

    SIGN THE PETITION TO FORCE BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA TO PRESENT HIS QUALIFICATIONS.

    PETITION FOR PUBLIC RELEASE OF
    BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE

    To: Electoral College, Congress of the United States, Federal Elections Commission, U.S. Supreme Court, President of the United States, other controlling legal authorities

    Whereas, by requirement of the United States Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, no one can be sworn into office as president of the United States without being a natural born citizen;

    Whereas, there is sufficient controversy within the citizenry of the United States as to whether presidential election winner Barack Obama was actually born in Hawaii as he claims;

    Whereas, Barack Obama has refused repeated calls to release publicly his entire Hawaiian birth certificate, which would include the actual hospital that performed the delivery;

    Whereas, lawsuits filed in several states seeking only proof of the basic minimal standard of eligibility have been rebuffed;

    Whereas, Hawaii at the time of Obama’s birth allowed births that took place in foreign countries to be registered in Hawaii;

    Whereas, concerns that our government is not taking this constitutional question seriously will result in diminished confidence in our system of free and fair elections;

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  • http://lesstalkmoreactivism.blogspot.com/ whoframedrudy

    Ray knows a thousand times more about this than I do. But you didn’t have to be an intelligence expert to know this plan was garbage from the get-go. All the Reagan-Bush NS heavy-hitters — Bush I, Jim Baker and Cheney — were on record on this back in the Gulf War. I can’t believe Cheney is so stupid he ever thought this plan was going to work. So why did they do it?

    It’s too easy to shoot holes in all this ‘stable democracy/yellowcake’ bullshit Bush threw out in 2002. James Baker knew better than to take out Saddam in the Gulf War. But Baker said the U.S. was ‘feared more’ as a result of Iraq. Baker says you want to be ‘respected by your allies and feared by your adversaries.’ I think that’s what Cheney was after. Iraq was about re-establishing fear of American military power, in response to Al Qaeda’s ’4th generation’ strategy to neutralize our military advantage. Would we accept a fundamental change in the global balance of power post-9/11? The only sense I make of Cheney is that he would not accept a change in balance of power, even at the cost of destabilizing Iraq. Does that make him crazy?

    As progressives we don’t talk in terms of power and fear, and if we do, we talk in moral terms. But Bush I didn’t leave Saddam in power for morality. There’s no moral case for leaving a dictator in power. That choice was based on realpolitik. Balance of power, fear, naked nationalism — ugly stuff, but the world is an ugly place. All I know is that 50-100 years after the U.S. renounced slavery — the worst crime in our history — Europe was still cranking out colonial crackpots (Churchill, Hitler, Stalin) bent on world conquest like some evil super villain out of James Bond. Communism, facism, colonialism, apartheid. Europe’s history is one of virtually non-stop war for a thousand years. We ended the Cold War without blowing up the planet. Yes, I think our pock-marked record is a lot better than Europe’s.

    What’s better for the world, that we remain the dominant power or that something else replace us? What’s better for Americans, to stay dominant or to accept an inevitable slide into a second-rate power? What price should we pay to stay on top?

    I’m also curious about the ‘surge’ as a generic anti-terror strategy, or just specific to Iraq. Where do we stand now? Can Al Qaeda still claim they can fight American combat troops to a stalemate?

    Don’t read anything I say as support for the Iraq War. I think the war was a big mistake. But I still have these questions.